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Cop's wife's cell phone searched for clues in fatal ambush of gorgeous teacher Rachel DelTondo · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: M Triumph Channel one thirty two. A gorgeous and brunette
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Speaker 1: teacher gunned down in the family driveway. Wow. This sleepy
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Speaker 1: community of al equippa high scale bedroom community outside a
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Speaker 1: larger city, is reeling seemingly. She had just stepped out
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Speaker 1: of the car coming home from an ice cream parlor
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Speaker 1: with friends on a Sunday night, and she is blown
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Speaker 1: away in the driveway. No um theft, no sex attack,
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Speaker 1: no provocation, no carjacking, nothing, shot at least ten times
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Speaker 1: in the chest. Sounds like someone was waiting for her
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Speaker 1: to step to set foot out of that car before
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Speaker 1: she's gunned down. Now, the intrigue surrounding at ten thousand
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Speaker 1: dollar wedding dress, the ride jilted literally as she is
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Speaker 1: heading towards the altar just before the wedding, and now
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Speaker 1: claims of local government cover up. This case is blowing up.
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Speaker 1: But nothing, nothing can get us away from the fact
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Speaker 1: that Rachel Deltando is found in a pool of blood
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Speaker 1: in her driveway, her mom and dad running out to
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Speaker 1: find their daughter dead. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories,
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. The al Equippa Police
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Speaker 1: Department in Pennsylvania has just applied for a second search
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Speaker 1: want for eighteen student Sheldon Jeter Jr. What does that
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Speaker 1: have to do with anything? Joining me right now? Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories investigative reporter Larry Mayher, Karen Smith, forensics expert Wendy
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Speaker 1: Patrick's Southern California prosecutor, the host of the Hit Investigation
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Speaker 1: Discoveries series Fatal Vows. Dr Brian Russell Shley Wilcot, juvenile judge,
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Speaker 1: lawyer and founder of child crime watch dot com. Straight
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Speaker 1: to you, Larry Mayor, Let's just start at the beginning,
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Speaker 1: because so much is happening in this case. It's it's
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Speaker 1: too much to take in. And start at the beginning
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Speaker 1: with her being gunned down, and we'll work our way
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Speaker 1: toward now a police officer being taken off the case,
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Speaker 1: not just off the case, off the force because of
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Speaker 1: this investigation. Start at the beginning, Larry. Let's start with
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Speaker 1: Rachel Deltondo going to an ice cream parlor. She was
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Speaker 1: accompanied by two people, one of whom is the daughter
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Speaker 1: of a police sergeant in the local police force. The
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Speaker 1: other we'll get to him in just a moment. They
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Speaker 1: went to this ice cream parlor, then returned to Rachel
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Speaker 1: Deltondo's mother's home as she got out of the Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, Larry,
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Speaker 1: nobody likes mystery. Okay, we we need all the pieces
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Speaker 1: of the puzzle so we can fit this thing together.
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Speaker 1: So hold on, buddy number one. It's Rachel, who's absolutely gorgeous.
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Speaker 1: I'm just gold. Throw that in and I can see
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Speaker 1: her in that wedding dress right now, Ashley Willcott, I Um,
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Speaker 1: we decided on Tuesday to get married on Saturday. That's
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Speaker 1: how that went down. I ordered one wedding dress in
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Speaker 1: two different sizes over the internet, okay, and we did
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Speaker 1: it all right. Now, it was nothing like this, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: where sheep had a custom made wedding dress. They went,
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Speaker 1: they get they said, a big Italian wedding right and all,
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Speaker 1: I'll put out all the stops, ten thousand dollar wedding dress.
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Speaker 1: And it was gorgeous and she's gorgeous, and then the
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Speaker 1: gram jilted her. Broke up, Ashley, what about that ten
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Speaker 1: thousand dollar wedding dress? Ten thousand dollars? So, like you said,
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Speaker 1: number one, it's not only the cost, but it's custom right.
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Speaker 1: How many people do we know? I spent less than
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Speaker 1: that on my wedding, my reception, the whole shebang. Most
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Speaker 1: people spend less than that on every thing to get married.
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Speaker 1: That is such a decadent, extravagant, extreme cost for a
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Speaker 1: dress to most of us. Now, hold on, hold on, Missy,
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Speaker 1: the mom and dad wanted this for her, okay, and
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Speaker 1: they put down five thousand dollars go into I guess
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Speaker 1: they went into New York City to get a custom made,
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Speaker 1: then the groom backs out of the whole thing, breaks
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Speaker 1: off the engagement, and she's fine. You know what. Hold on,
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Speaker 1: Larry may Or, you may not understand the significance of
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Speaker 1: us talking about a ten dollar wedding dress. Let's just
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Speaker 1: start with that. Let's just start with the wedding dress. Okay,
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Speaker 1: then we'll get to the dead body. I understand the
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Speaker 1: significance fully, having been through a wedding myself. Okay, hold on,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to this. When Rachel got engaged, Mom
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Speaker 1: took over planning a big time wedding, including a nearly
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Speaker 1: ten thousand dollar gown to be handmade by a New
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Speaker 1: York designer. There was a custom dress had to be
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Speaker 1: a to her us. The family put down a deposit
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Speaker 1: of more than four thousand dollars, and that, according to
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Speaker 1: the contract, was nonrefundable and non transferable under any circumstances.
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Speaker 1: Lisa del Tondo says she got that from day one.
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Speaker 1: I was told that this is binding. I knew what
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Speaker 1: this thing said. They bought the dress and and Gregory
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Speaker 1: for the bride. In dormant Rachiel del Tondo was measured.
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Speaker 1: The family put down nearly half. It's made to order
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Speaker 1: and there's no exchanges and about no refunds. I understood that.
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Speaker 1: Four months after the contract was signed, the wedding was
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Speaker 1: called off. Lisa del Tondo called the New York designer
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Speaker 1: to see if they had started on the dress and
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Speaker 1: asked for a refund. I called New York. I did
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Speaker 1: He told me it couldn't be done. Del Tondo says.
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Speaker 1: She told the local bridal salon she'd pay the balance
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Speaker 1: and take delivery of the dress. I wanted the gown
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Speaker 1: so I could sell it. Del Tondo says the salon
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Speaker 1: never delivered the dress and refused to refund her money,
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Speaker 1: so she took the owner to Small Claims Court. It
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Speaker 1: says disposition default judgment for plain of court papers indicate
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Speaker 1: the salon owner did not appear for the hearing. As
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Speaker 1: a result, he was ordered to pay the del Tondo's
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Speaker 1: more than forty six hundred dollars. He had thirty days
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Speaker 1: to write us a check or file a pill and
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Speaker 1: he did not. Salon owner Gregory Jericho in an email,
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Speaker 1: he told me, December got by me with two deaths
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Speaker 1: in the family. We will be sending a certified check
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Speaker 1: out to del Tondo to Wendy Patrick, Southern California Prosecutor. Wendy,
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Speaker 1: I hardly think that a wedding dress dispute is cause
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Speaker 1: for murder. Absolutely, there's something far more serious and and
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Speaker 1: sinister going on here as well. However, it's details like
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Speaker 1: this that make cases like this interesting. And you have
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Speaker 1: got to wonder whether or not some of the drama
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Speaker 1: involved and and just some of these out ostentatious details
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Speaker 1: that we've been discussing have some relevance to motive. And obviously,
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Speaker 1: as a prosecutor, you know, we know you don't have
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Speaker 1: to prove motive, but boy, it sure matters to the
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Speaker 1: jury knowing even some of these tangential details may actually
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Speaker 1: lead us to figuring out how, and more importantly for
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Speaker 1: the listeners and for the jurors ultimately why this happened.
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Speaker 1: You know, uh, Wendy. Another thing, guys with me is
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Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, Wendy Patrick, Ashley Wilcott, Larry Mayor, and
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Speaker 1: Karen Smith. We need all the brain power we can
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Speaker 1: get on this one, you know, Wendy, I was saying
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Speaker 1: the other day that I used to love in court
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Speaker 1: watching the other lawyer have a little list of questions
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Speaker 1: and just go down the questions of reading them. No
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Speaker 1: matter what the witness said, it just shows a complete
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Speaker 1: lack of curiosity. I'm curious. I'm curious because not in
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Speaker 1: my wedding, I'll be honest, But in a lot of
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Speaker 1: weddings there's a lot of high tension. And here the
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Speaker 1: family who had had put out a lot of money
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Speaker 1: for this wedding. Then suddenly the groom breaks the engagement.
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Speaker 1: Next thing you know, the bride to be is gunned
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Speaker 1: down in the driveway. And none of it makes And
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Speaker 1: he says, I mean, white gunned down a school teacher
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Speaker 1: in the driveway just after her wedding has been canceled. Wendy,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to think it's not connected. But
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Speaker 1: we're getting more information now that suggests it was a
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Speaker 1: very different motive than anything to do with the wedding dress.
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Speaker 1: So absolutely, And you know, that's one of the reasons
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Speaker 1: that we really make sure we're not focusing on the
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Speaker 1: wrong details. Some details may be very interesting, but as
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Speaker 1: we all know, when you get into court, they may
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Speaker 1: ultimately be inadmissible because there's no relevance to the actual
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Speaker 1: charges that are brought. That's why we always want to
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Speaker 1: be so careful when we let our curiosity get the
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Speaker 1: best of us. And I think I know who you're
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Speaker 1: talking about, Lady Patrick. I think you're suggesting I'm lending
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Speaker 1: us all down a rabbit hole. Well, guess what headline
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Speaker 1: banner above the fold. I think the whole wedding and
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Speaker 1: they break off the engagement of the engagement does have
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Speaker 1: to do with the murder. And I'll tell you why.
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Speaker 1: Back to Larry Mayher. You wouldn't tell me who else
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Speaker 1: went to the ice cream parlor, Larry Mayher. Okay, well
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Speaker 1: hold on, so you've got her the Briane, I'll call
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Speaker 1: her Rachards Altonda. You've got the police sergeant's daughter with her,
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Speaker 1: who was now being relieved of his duties with pay
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Speaker 1: off the force. Over All this and the third mystery
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Speaker 1: person who happens to be one of Rachel's former students,
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Speaker 1: a male students brother. Now where does that fit into
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Speaker 1: the scenario? That's that student is key to all of
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Speaker 1: this because in February he and she were found by
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Speaker 1: police in a parked car at two o'clock in the morning.
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Speaker 1: The students, according to a police report, now, no one
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Speaker 1: was no one was arrested at that point, and the
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Speaker 1: officers took the seventeen year old home. His name is
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Speaker 1: Sheldon Cheeter. Now who wa wa wa wa wa. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm drinking on the fire hydrant again too much, so
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Speaker 1: you're telling me just before the wedding is the engagement
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Speaker 1: is broken? Just before the weddings to go down. She
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Speaker 1: the teacher, is found in a car not running, in
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Speaker 1: an empty parking lot of a hospital. The car is
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Speaker 1: steamed up on the inside. It's about two o'clock in
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Speaker 1: the morning. As I always say, Wendy, feel free to
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Speaker 1: steal this for your juries. Nothing good happens after midnight.
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Speaker 1: It's two am. She's in the car with a boy student.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to point out, Ashley Willcott, that charges were
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Speaker 1: never filed. Okay over this. The police knew about it
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Speaker 1: because they showed up and followed the report. But I
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Speaker 1: can tell you who didn't know anything about it was
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Speaker 1: the boy's mother. Listen to this target Levin's girl obtained
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Speaker 1: a copy of the police report about that night and
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Speaker 1: took it to the student's mom. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: you've seen this. This is a copy of the police report.
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Speaker 1: Are you plice report? The former student was her then
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Speaker 1: sixteen year old son. I really don't want to believe it,
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Speaker 1: but she's only just finding out about the incident I
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Speaker 1: have been hearing going around. According to the police report,
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Speaker 1: the officer asked the teacher what was going on. Both
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Speaker 1: the student and teacher said they were quote talking and
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Speaker 1: we're just friends. If this is true, wats then unnotified
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Speaker 1: police and us a statement saying the incident was investigated
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Speaker 1: twice and was quote unfounded. That answer isn't good enough
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Speaker 1: for this mom. I'm looking to obtain a lawyer um
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Speaker 1: to find out what is actually going on. So cleared
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Speaker 1: up for me, Larry Mayher. Did the school know about
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Speaker 1: the incident at the time at the time, No, it
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Speaker 1: was in the fall of that someone got ahold of
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Speaker 1: the police report and leak it to the media and
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Speaker 1: to the school. That's when the school found out about
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Speaker 1: this particular incident and suspended Deltono from her teaching. Wow,
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Speaker 1: so that was leaked and yeah, And one of the
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Speaker 1: issues I have is it appears as if, from the
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Speaker 1: facts we know at this time, the police sat on
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Speaker 1: the report. They did their own investigation, but they didn't
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Speaker 1: report it to Child Protective Services, and they didn't report
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Speaker 1: it to the school, which is a problem when you
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Speaker 1: have a seventeen year old with an adult to Dr
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Speaker 1: Brian Russell, lawyer and psychologist, host of the hit show
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Speaker 1: on investigation Discovery, Fatal Vows. Dr Brian Russell, Well, I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to piece together the timeline because this all leads
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Speaker 1: up to her being gunned down in her driveway on
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Speaker 1: a Sunday night, and her parents running out and seeing
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Speaker 1: their daughter dead, and a police officer, a sergeant, being
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Speaker 1: relieved of his duties over all this and leaking. Somebody
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Speaker 1: leaked that police report on purpose, someone that had access
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Speaker 1: to police private reports. Was sent to media outlets the
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Speaker 1: police report, it was sent to the Ghool, it was
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Speaker 1: sent to I think friends of Rachel Dontando. She was
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Speaker 1: totally humiliated. Dr Brian Russell, needless to say. The first
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Speaker 1: thing she said when the cops got her out of
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Speaker 1: that car with the teen student all steamed up, two am,
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Speaker 1: don't tell my fiance this is innocent. He'd get mad.
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Speaker 1: Nothing happened, Brian. So one of the first things that
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Speaker 1: they teach us in psychotherapy school is that because something
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Speaker 1: came before does not necessarily mean it has any causal
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Speaker 1: connection to what came after that being said? I stopped
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Speaker 1: right there, Brian, I don't know what you just said.
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Speaker 1: You gotta break I'm just a j D all right,
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Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer. What was that you just said? So,
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Speaker 1: so we know that preceding this murder, there was this
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Speaker 1: incident in which this woman, who was apparently engaged at
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Speaker 1: the time, was found in a steamed up car with
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Speaker 1: another man, all who happened to be a young male. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Seems like there was some kind of a connection form
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Speaker 1: perhaps between her and this male that had to do
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Speaker 1: with her teaching, although as you said, she was never
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Speaker 1: charged or convicted of anything and involving her having had
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Speaker 1: any kind of a sex relationship with a student. And so,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's tempting to look at that and go, well,
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Speaker 1: one came before the other. There must be some kind
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Speaker 1: of a causal connection here. But in psychotherapy school, one
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Speaker 1: of the things they teach us is when the patient
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Speaker 1: comes in and says, well, here's what's happening now and
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Speaker 1: here's what happened before, not to necessarily jump to the
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Speaker 1: conclusion that those things are causally related. As I'm listening
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Speaker 1: to all this, one of the things that I'm thinking
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Speaker 1: when you were talking about the dress and the dressmaker
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Speaker 1: or the dress seller being potentially upset with the family
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Speaker 1: because they tried to renege on the purchase of the
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Speaker 1: dress when the wedding got canceled and then they had
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Speaker 1: this small claims court thing that they lost and had
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Speaker 1: to refund the money to the family. I agree with you,
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Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like anywhere near a big enough deal
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Speaker 1: to have resulted in this woman's murder. It sounds like
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Speaker 1: someone had a much deeper, more interpersonal grudge against this woman.
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Speaker 1: But what I think is that incident about the dress
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Speaker 1: may very well be used by the defense ultimately of
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Speaker 1: whoever gets charged with this, to try to create reasonable doubt,
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Speaker 1: in other words, to try to say to the jury, look,
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Speaker 1: there was somebody else who had a motive here. You
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Speaker 1: and I don't think it's a great motive, But okay,
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Speaker 1: Dr Brian. We always always talk about Jackie here in
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Speaker 1: the studio, but she is sitting here a laughing and
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Speaker 1: be shaking her head no no, no to everything you're saying,
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Speaker 1: and she has a comment, Jackie, please yelling across the
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Speaker 1: studio there's fire, okay, whether it's smoke there's fire. She's saying.
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Speaker 1: I think I'm going to interpret for her. I think
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Speaker 1: she's saying that your fiance he's caught in a car
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Speaker 1: with a boy student. The cars not running, but the
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Speaker 1: windows are steamed up at two o'clock in the morning.
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Speaker 1: And then you find out because somebody leaks the police report.
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Speaker 1: This is just before your wedding. Yeah, he's gonna break
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Speaker 1: off the engagement. Now you're saying there's no connection. But
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Speaker 1: I put bet dollars to doughnuts if I were a
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Speaker 1: betting person, which I'm not, that it did have something
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Speaker 1: to do with breaking that engagement. But it all ended here.
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Speaker 1: It all ends here. Listen to this. I counted six shots,
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Speaker 1: but I had heard them before in this back area.
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Speaker 1: I heard the shots that I didn't hear anything else.
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Speaker 1: So I went back to sleep. Beautifully friendly, knows everybody, knew, everybody,
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Speaker 1: talk to everybody. You think you're safe going anywhere, but
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Speaker 1: one house up you're not very very nice girl, prime
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Speaker 1: of her life. And this is what happens. How did
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Speaker 1: a broken engagement, a ten dollar wedding dress end up
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Speaker 1: with a police sergeant being relieved of his duties and
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Speaker 1: now a teen boys cell phone records have been subpoenaed
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Speaker 1: um its claims of a government cover up, cover up. Man,
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Speaker 1: this thing is getting way way out of control. Back
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Speaker 1: this is my last time on the wedding dress. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear what the fiance says. Listen
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Speaker 1: to him. Is he in as a suspect? Is he
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Speaker 1: out as a suspect? Listen to what he says for
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Speaker 1: that to happen in the community I'm very familiar with.
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Speaker 1: And nobody know nothing and not see nothing, and nothing
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Speaker 1: or nobody coming forward is to me as mind blowing.
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Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't sit well with me, you know,
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Speaker 1: at the end of the the day, and she does deserve justice.
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Speaker 1: Has been implied and strongly implied in many cases that
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Speaker 1: he could potentially have been involved in this. So we
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Speaker 1: felt an important in addition to cooperating, that he want
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Speaker 1: to have an opportunity to publicly express remorse. I don't
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Speaker 1: think you had anything to do with it, and I'll
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Speaker 1: tell you why. If you have something to do with it,
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Speaker 1: you don't get out there and start giving statements. Cooperate
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Speaker 1: with police, be open. Everybody knows who you are, where
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Speaker 1: you live, the works, unless you want to be disproved
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Speaker 1: now true, all husbands that killed their wives say I
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Speaker 1: didn't do it. Think is rue Peterson. But this guy,
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Speaker 1: I just don't think that fiance had anything to do
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Speaker 1: with it. Could you explain to me, Larry Mayher, how
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Speaker 1: has this ended up in claims of a police cover up?
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Speaker 1: That's a proclaim that it is being made by the
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Speaker 1: young man's attorney. Um Rachel Deltondo had told a reporter
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Speaker 1: recently and had told police recently that she had been
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Speaker 1: getting death threats and that one of those threats promise
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Speaker 1: that she would not live to see the end of
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Speaker 1: this year. Now. Sheldon Cheaters lawyer claims that Deltondo was
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Speaker 1: preparing to testify before a grand jury in front of
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Speaker 1: an investigation into one of the entities under investigation in
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Speaker 1: l equip A, Pennsylvani Okay wait wait wait wait wait wait, okay,
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Speaker 1: she's gonna be She was set to be a witness
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Speaker 1: in a police matter. What did it have to do
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Speaker 1: with leaking that police report? You think that's possible although
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Speaker 1: the state police we're handling that inquiry the last night, right,
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Speaker 1: no of it. Um. The school that she taught at
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Speaker 1: has been under repeated grand jury investigation, so perhaps it
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Speaker 1: was involved with the school for what why is the
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Speaker 1: school under investigator been questions about its financial transactions and
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Speaker 1: it's accounting for taxpayer money. It's a charter school. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa,
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Speaker 1: wait a man it wait a minute. Okay, Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: are you hearing this? Absolutely? You know it's uh the
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Speaker 1: plot it continues to thicken each time we learned a
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Speaker 1: little more about this case. But what we're hearing is
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Speaker 1: it sounds like a number are of possible different types
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Speaker 1: of motives for the murder. Okay, let me recap, Wendy.
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Speaker 1: So you've got the fiancee, who I don't think anything
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Speaker 1: to do with it, but he's apparently still stewing in
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Speaker 1: the pot with everybody else um as a potential person
21:15
Speaker 1: of interest but I say he's clear. Then you've got
21:18
Speaker 1: the boy, the teen boy that was in the car
21:22
Speaker 1: with her and his family. They have not been named
21:24
Speaker 1: suspector p o I person of interest. Now you've got
21:30
Speaker 1: the police force, who leaks somebody with police force access
21:35
Speaker 1: released this police report to the media, to the fiancee,
21:39
Speaker 1: to all of her friends. That was that was mean,
21:43
Speaker 1: That was downright dastardly. Now we are learning from Larry
21:47
Speaker 1: Mayher her school was under investigation for potential mismanagement of
21:53
Speaker 1: their taxpayers money and they have been part of a
21:55
Speaker 1: grand jury investigation. WHOA. Then we hear she's been getting
22:00
Speaker 1: death threats? Who knew all this is going down in
22:03
Speaker 1: al Equippa As a matter of fact, Take a listen
22:07
Speaker 1: to the lawyer. Yes, he's lawyered up for the teen boy.
22:10
Speaker 1: They continued that relationship. I think it cooled for a while,
22:13
Speaker 1: um and but but the relationship never ended. She was
22:16
Speaker 1: due to testify in front of the grand jury which
22:20
Speaker 1: has been investigating all Equippa among other entities, and she
22:24
Speaker 1: was afraid. And we find it far from a coincidence
22:28
Speaker 1: that she was murdered within days of having to testify.
22:31
Speaker 1: This was not a crime of passion. I believe it's
22:33
Speaker 1: a crime of a cover up, good gravy. And now
22:36
Speaker 1: just coming to light two new facts. A second search
22:39
Speaker 1: warrant has just been served, and there's news that Jeter,
22:44
Speaker 1: the teen student older brother or Shawn Bolton, has been
22:48
Speaker 1: in a serious relationship their words, not mine, a serious
22:52
Speaker 1: relationship Will del Tondo. Since December, police are saying they've
22:57
Speaker 1: served a second search warrant at the home of Sheldon
22:59
Speaker 1: g Ater Jr. And, according to the search warrant, investigators
23:03
Speaker 1: comb through the home for clothes he may have worn
23:07
Speaker 1: the night of the murder and guns, specifically nine millimeter
23:11
Speaker 1: that's interesting. The search warrant also says cops wanted cell phones, laptops, tablets,
23:18
Speaker 1: video game systems, any written notes to or from the victim,
23:24
Speaker 1: the teacher, Rachel Deltondo. Now sources say the affidavit that
23:29
Speaker 1: goes along with the search warrant also contains a witness testimony,
23:33
Speaker 1: and that testimony describes a an argument a verbal fight
23:38
Speaker 1: between the teacher, Rachel and Jeter, which happened last year.
23:44
Speaker 1: Bolton told police about three months ago, he and Deltondo
23:49
Speaker 1: were outside his home when Sheldon shows up and reportedly
23:54
Speaker 1: says that Blank told me she was with Amy, and
23:59
Speaker 1: then to Deltondo, if my brother wasn't here, I f
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Speaker 1: you up. And as we go to air, we learn
24:06
Speaker 1: a new search warrant has just been issued for guess
24:10
Speaker 1: who a police officer wife Facebook account. That warrant now
24:18
Speaker 1: part of the investigation and into Rachel del Tondo's mysterious murder. Okay, so,
24:25
Speaker 1: Ashley wilcot Way in now a CoP's wife's Facebook account. Yes, Nancy,
24:32
Speaker 1: what a tangled web, because keep this in mind. This
24:34
Speaker 1: is the same officer whose daughter was out with the
24:40
Speaker 1: victim when she went to get ice cream, and the
24:43
Speaker 1: same officer who's on administrative leave because allegedly um couldn't
24:49
Speaker 1: be involved in that investigation. But also they are saying
24:52
Speaker 1: allegedly there's some misconduct accusations against the police department. Well,
24:57
Speaker 1: that was certainly mouthful. Let me just say Shakespeare said
25:01
Speaker 1: it best. Oh what a tangled web we weave when
25:04
Speaker 1: first we practice to deceive. That's not about the cops wife.
25:09
Speaker 1: That's about this whole kit in kiboodle. Everywhere you turn
25:13
Speaker 1: there is a potential person of interest. But this is
25:16
Speaker 1: what I know. She gets ten thousand dollar wedding dress
25:19
Speaker 1: and pretty soon after she's dead the driveway. Man, I
25:23
Speaker 1: need a float chart for this, Okay, Karen Smith, our
25:27
Speaker 1: forensics expert, renowned forensics expert, Karen, I need you now
25:33
Speaker 1: because the way she was shot. And I'm not a
25:38
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory nut at all. I don't think people can
25:41
Speaker 1: keep their pie holes shut, but the way she was
25:44
Speaker 1: shot suggests to me there was someone lying in wait,
25:48
Speaker 1: and they did not waste a bullet. And what I
25:52
Speaker 1: mean by that it was a very good marksman. Karen Smith,
25:56
Speaker 1: let's talk about ballistics amidst a police or government cover up.
26:03
Speaker 1: Tell me what you've learned from the forensics evidence, Karen's Nancy,
26:07
Speaker 1: you'd be right. The victim in this case, Rachel del Tondo,
26:11
Speaker 1: was struck ten times in the chest. Now think about
26:16
Speaker 1: that for a second. That is a very tight grouping
26:19
Speaker 1: of a lot of rounds coming out of a gun.
26:22
Speaker 1: That also tells me that it's probably a semi automatic.
26:26
Speaker 1: It also tells me that the shooter was definitely lying
26:29
Speaker 1: in waite an ambush, waiting for her to come home
26:32
Speaker 1: to her parents driveway. So they knew where she lived,
26:36
Speaker 1: they knew that she would probably be home soon, they
26:39
Speaker 1: knew that she was gone, and they came up to her. Now,
26:43
Speaker 1: she was shot in the chest, not in the back,
26:45
Speaker 1: not in the shoulder, not in the leg, in the chest,
26:48
Speaker 1: which means she was facing the shooter when the bullets
26:51
Speaker 1: came flying. So that tells me a either the shooter
26:54
Speaker 1: is a crack shot or the shooter was very close
26:58
Speaker 1: to her when all those rounds a leashed the case.
27:01
Speaker 1: Things were likely left at the scene, and there's your forensics.
27:05
Speaker 1: You swab those casings for DNA. You can submit them
27:08
Speaker 1: for prints, which is you know that's a hit or miss?
27:11
Speaker 1: Uh not. You don't normally get prints from from casings,
27:15
Speaker 1: but DNA oh bing bam boom. Yeah, we'll find out
27:19
Speaker 1: who fired that gun soon as soon as that DNA
27:21
Speaker 1: comes back and they have something to compare it to.
27:23
Speaker 1: What is disturbing to make that would suggest and I'm
27:27
Speaker 1: not going with a professional hit right now, I'm just
27:30
Speaker 1: just not is the tight grouping of the bullet wounds,
27:33
Speaker 1: because that means somebody has the calm, cool demeanor to
27:38
Speaker 1: walk up and cheat her ten times in the chest,
27:42
Speaker 1: make every shot, and get away without anyone that seeing
27:48
Speaker 1: the getaway car. Were they on foot? Also, this suggests
27:53
Speaker 1: they knew where she was going and knew when she
27:55
Speaker 1: would come back. Why is that was the trip orchestrated?
27:59
Speaker 1: That brings in the people that were with her as
28:02
Speaker 1: a potential involvement. Do I think they were involved? No,
28:06
Speaker 1: I don't. I really do not think that a police
28:10
Speaker 1: sergeant's daughter and the brother of her boy her HER's
28:15
Speaker 1: boy student friend had anything to do with her murder.
28:18
Speaker 1: But that pulls them into the investigation because they took
28:21
Speaker 1: her to the ice cream shop. She came home and
28:23
Speaker 1: somebody was waiting there for her to get home. Now,
28:27
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about the police, all right. Let me
28:29
Speaker 1: go back to you, Larry Mayher with me on this.
28:33
Speaker 1: The City of all Equippa Bureau of Police has now
28:37
Speaker 1: sought access to the boys student Jeter Sheldon Jeter's iPhone,
28:42
Speaker 1: his call records and the geolocation data. Why why do
28:47
Speaker 1: they want this information from the boy? Not only that,
28:51
Speaker 1: remember the bride Deltando was picked up by a female
28:55
Speaker 1: friend who happens to be the daughter of an all
28:58
Speaker 1: Equippa police Sar Argent Kenneth Watkins around eight p m.
29:03
Speaker 1: That night. He has now been placed on administrative leave
29:08
Speaker 1: by the Chief of Police because his daughter is a
29:13
Speaker 1: minor and is not being named. Is involved as a
29:17
Speaker 1: witness on the case. Oh what a tangled web we weave.
29:21
Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott, judge, lawyer, founder of Child Crime Watch dot com.
29:26
Speaker 1: Way in, there's intrigue, it is, there's so much intrigue.
29:31
Speaker 1: So bottom line, our heartbreaks for a victim who's been
29:35
Speaker 1: gunned down, but we now have three potential suspects, and
29:39
Speaker 1: I like that we're learning the evidence as it's coming
29:42
Speaker 1: out because it means that the police are investigating. So
29:46
Speaker 1: we have a dressmaker who's mad about a refund. We
29:50
Speaker 1: have a seventeen year old victim, and I say victim
29:53
Speaker 1: because steamed up windows, car off found with an adult.
29:57
Speaker 1: That's a victim who's now twenty, who's brother was with
30:01
Speaker 1: her at the ice cream shot before she gets done
30:04
Speaker 1: gunned down. And then we have an alleged cover up
30:07
Speaker 1: and she's supposed to testify, and we just heard from
30:10
Speaker 1: a forensics expert of the type of shots that killed
30:15
Speaker 1: this woman, and that to me means perhaps it was
30:18
Speaker 1: a police officer law enforcement who killed her. So so
30:23
Speaker 1: we have three different potential sets of suspects in this case.
30:27
Speaker 1: Huge to me is going to be the digital footprint.
30:30
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, as a judge, Nancy, I see
30:32
Speaker 1: this all the time. People think they can get away
30:34
Speaker 1: with a crime this day and age. The digital footprint
30:38
Speaker 1: gives so much information and literally catch us criminals. Wow,
30:43
Speaker 1: that was a mouthful, and every single word you said
30:45
Speaker 1: was right. Although I'm not ready to indict the police.
30:47
Speaker 1: G for the police yet as being part of this,
30:50
Speaker 1: although we know this police report was was leaked to
30:54
Speaker 1: destroy Rachiel Deltondo by someone that had access to police
31:00
Speaker 1: data and police um computers or software. Guys, now I
31:06
Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to what the Beaver
31:09
Speaker 1: County District Attorney. We're getting video cameras, we we we
31:13
Speaker 1: are downloading information, we are interviewing witnesses. We are doing
31:18
Speaker 1: everything we can investigating everyone that was driving around al
31:22
Speaker 1: Equippa that night that was anywhere near this young lady's house.
31:26
Speaker 1: So you know, before I point the finger at the
31:28
Speaker 1: boy or his family, this could just be s o
31:33
Speaker 1: P standard operating procedure. So back to Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist,
31:37
Speaker 1: host of Investigation Discoveries Fatal Vows Hit series. Dr Brian, again,
31:42
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. So the plot thickens.
31:46
Speaker 1: Now we know they have the state has subpoenaed the
31:50
Speaker 1: boys cell phone records. Now listen to this, Dr Brian.
31:53
Speaker 1: I'm setting up for a question. The search warrant we have,
31:56
Speaker 1: we have obtained. We got ahold of the affidavit to
32:00
Speaker 1: support that search warrant, and it says that she Rachel
32:03
Speaker 1: the bride and Watkins, the daughter of the police sergeant
32:08
Speaker 1: who has now been put on paid leave, went to
32:11
Speaker 1: a Circle K convenience store. They visited a friend, then
32:15
Speaker 1: they went to Rachel's parents home at nine twenty so
32:19
Speaker 1: she could change clothes. Why is she changing clothes? Okay?
32:23
Speaker 1: Ten minutes later, the two women leave in watkins car
32:28
Speaker 1: that's the police sergeant daughter. They pick up Tyree Jeter
32:34
Speaker 1: that is the student's brother, and then they drive to
32:38
Speaker 1: Hank's custard that's ice cream shop according to the warrant
32:42
Speaker 1: that we've gotten hold of. An hour later, the sergeant's
32:46
Speaker 1: daughter drives them back to Deltondo's home, dropping her off
32:50
Speaker 1: and driving off with the student's brother. Dr Brian Russell,
32:56
Speaker 1: lawyer and psychologist. Before we point the finger at the
33:00
Speaker 1: boys student because we know they have subpoena his cell
33:04
Speaker 1: phone records and GEO data, I A. Where was his
33:07
Speaker 1: phone at night? That standard operating procedure. That doesn't mean
33:11
Speaker 1: he has anything to do with this, right, That's right.
33:13
Speaker 1: It seems to me what we have here is a
33:16
Speaker 1: young male who was with this murder victim shortly before
33:21
Speaker 1: the murder, and it makes total sense that law enforcement
33:25
Speaker 1: would want to look into him, but we don't have
33:28
Speaker 1: any reason to think that he or his brother, who
33:32
Speaker 1: is the team that apparently was found with the victim
33:35
Speaker 1: many months earlier in this steamed up car but never
33:38
Speaker 1: resulted in any kind of charges or anything. There's no
33:40
Speaker 1: reason for us to believe that either one of them
33:43
Speaker 1: had anything against her, And it doesn't really seem to me.
33:47
Speaker 1: I agree with you. The fiance, although I completely understand
33:51
Speaker 1: why he would have broken off the wedding after the
33:54
Speaker 1: incident in which she was found with this young kid
33:56
Speaker 1: in the car, doesn't strike me as behaving like a
34:02
Speaker 1: murderous fiance. That the guy that was the dressmaker doesn't
34:05
Speaker 1: sound like he's got enough of a motive. And really,
34:07
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like anybody on the police force would
34:11
Speaker 1: have been in facing enough trouble for having leaked a
34:16
Speaker 1: police report about this woman to have murdered her. It
34:20
Speaker 1: sounds to me like somebody had a deep interpersonal grudge
34:23
Speaker 1: against this woman, got right up close to her, is
34:26
Speaker 1: probably why they were able to hit her so many times,
34:28
Speaker 1: wanted to look into her face as they murdered her.
34:31
Speaker 1: And what we know about this woman is she's apparently
34:34
Speaker 1: if if nothing else, we know she had an active
34:36
Speaker 1: social life. There may be some guy out there that
34:40
Speaker 1: had a grudge against her, thought that she had jilted
34:42
Speaker 1: him somehow. That's totally unrelated to any of these guys
34:46
Speaker 1: were talking about. Well, listen to this, DOTR Brian, listen
34:49
Speaker 1: to this, Larry Mayer, tell me if this is correct?
34:53
Speaker 1: All right now, So she's caught in the car with
34:56
Speaker 1: this teen boy. After that police report is lee by somebody,
35:02
Speaker 1: the boy, Jeter and Rachel continue their relationship. They remain friendly,
35:07
Speaker 1: all right. The lawyer says. Rachel disclosed to the boy
35:13
Speaker 1: she was an informant in an ongoing investigation of the
35:20
Speaker 1: al Equippa Police Department. Also, she had been preparing to
35:26
Speaker 1: testify before a grand jury in a couple of days
35:30
Speaker 1: regarding we think misuse of funds. We also know that,
35:36
Speaker 1: in addition to a search warrant for the boy's phone,
35:41
Speaker 1: the search warrant also lists a pair of khaki pants, shoes,
35:46
Speaker 1: a wind breaker, and a hat. Those items are marked
35:51
Speaker 1: with a note that says they were collected by consent.
35:55
Speaker 1: In other words, I guess the boy just handed them over.
35:59
Speaker 1: What do you make of it? Are those facts correct?
36:03
Speaker 1: As far as I know? That's that is the statement
36:06
Speaker 1: of facts from Sheldon Cheater's attorney. I don't know that
36:11
Speaker 1: there has been any independent in um confirmation of those facts.
36:16
Speaker 1: Got it so that that gives me a whole list
36:19
Speaker 1: of potential suspects Ashley Wilcott. And there's one other fact
36:22
Speaker 1: that I want to point out just because it's intriguing
36:24
Speaker 1: and interesting to me, and that is again it was
36:28
Speaker 1: the sergeant. The police sergeant's daughter was with this victim
36:33
Speaker 1: when they went to get ice cream before she was
36:35
Speaker 1: gunned down. I'm not saying there's a connection or not.
36:38
Speaker 1: I'm saying that it's a fact that has to be
36:40
Speaker 1: looked into because the list of suspects frankly seems to
36:44
Speaker 1: be growing. Take a listen to what the Beaver County
36:46
Speaker 1: District Attorney, David Loser says. It's very sad. You have
36:49
Speaker 1: a very quiet and very quaint neighborhood where this tragedy happened.
36:54
Speaker 1: We obviously regret this at parati sivities for the families.
36:58
Speaker 1: The Alcuba name gets the out there are a lot
37:01
Speaker 1: and it should not. This was a very nice, quiet
37:04
Speaker 1: neighborhood and to have this invade any family is said.
37:08
Speaker 1: We're working hard to solve this problem together. The police
37:12
Speaker 1: departments of you kind of worked very well together. We'll
37:14
Speaker 1: let's notice as we have one. It's shameful that this
37:17
Speaker 1: woman was painted with the with the police report that
37:20
Speaker 1: had been written that did not result in criminal charges.
37:25
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Speaker 1: to get started. You know, we've just come off Mother's Day,
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Speaker 1: and you know, you think back, who was there when
39:06
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39:15
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39:19
Speaker 1: to read this next heading. I told some mother stabs
39:24
Speaker 1: her daughter fifty to seventy times with a pick axe
39:32
Speaker 1: and then sets the home on fire and flees the
39:36
Speaker 1: scene with the youngest of her three daughters. To look
39:40
Speaker 1: at this woman, she looks like a soccer mom with
39:43
Speaker 1: beautiful woman. You'd think everything was perfect in their home.
39:48
Speaker 1: She had an eleven year old daughter, an eight year
39:50
Speaker 1: old daughter, a younger daughter who we think was seven.
39:56
Speaker 1: But why take a listen to what police say who
40:00
Speaker 1: come to the Saint TPT was called to this location
40:04
Speaker 1: and reference, uh, two different things. We had a house
40:08
Speaker 1: on fire and we had an eleven year old who
40:11
Speaker 1: had been stabbed multiple times. Um. A witness, the nine
40:15
Speaker 1: year old sibling of the eleven year old, stated that
40:18
Speaker 1: earlier in the evening that the mother had duct taped
40:23
Speaker 1: their hands, but socks in their mouths and then began
40:26
Speaker 1: stabbing the eleven year old. At that time, the nine
40:30
Speaker 1: year old and her seven year old sister exited the residence.
40:35
Speaker 1: The seven year old helped the nine year old leave.
40:37
Speaker 1: The nine year old went to a relative house a
40:40
Speaker 1: couple of houses down, and when they got to this house,
40:44
Speaker 1: the kitchen was on fire and the eleven year old
40:47
Speaker 1: was in critical condition. Um, she has been transported to
40:50
Speaker 1: the hospital. The eleven year old. Yes, the mother and
40:57
Speaker 1: the seven year old child we're missing from this location.
41:02
Speaker 1: And what condition is the eleven year old in? The
41:05
Speaker 1: eleven year olds in critical condition? She was stabbed so
41:08
Speaker 1: many times the officers and on seeing you know, could
41:11
Speaker 1: even count them. Um, what about timeline? At first, they
41:14
Speaker 1: had told us that the victim had been in there
41:16
Speaker 1: for over an hour yes, So the nine year old
41:20
Speaker 1: was duct taped, so it took her a good portion
41:24
Speaker 1: about an hour to get down to the family's house
41:26
Speaker 1: to get help. The police saying that the little girl
41:29
Speaker 1: was stabbed so many times the officers could not count them. Now,
41:36
Speaker 1: according to police reports we have obtained, mommy was angry
41:41
Speaker 1: with her children because of the way they were reading
41:44
Speaker 1: and looking at her. She bound and gagged her three daughters.
41:49
Speaker 1: Was she planning to burn the house down with them
41:52
Speaker 1: all in it? With me? Now? Crime Stories investigative reporter
41:56
Speaker 1: John Limble, Let's just start at the beginning. What happened Nancy.
42:00
Speaker 1: The picture we have so far up to Heira Ahmad
42:04
Speaker 1: is of a single mother of at least three children
42:07
Speaker 1: that lived with her in Tulsa, Oklahoma, although there are
42:11
Speaker 1: reports of at least two sons that had been sent
42:14
Speaker 1: to live with the grandmother to here. I had recently
42:17
Speaker 1: moved to Oklahoma from Tennessee. From what we understand to hear,
42:22
Speaker 1: his husband stayed behind in Tennessee. We're still looking into
42:26
Speaker 1: the specifics of their relationship, but we do know that
42:29
Speaker 1: there was a restraining order against the husband. Now here
42:34
Speaker 1: are some other details. Since moving to Tulsa. To hear,
42:37
Speaker 1: I had been working two jobs to make ends meet.
42:40
Speaker 1: The family of four. The mom and three girls lived
42:44
Speaker 1: in a one story brick house along Mohawk Boulevard in Tulsa.
42:48
Speaker 1: Pictures of the home show a modest, one story cape
42:51
Speaker 1: cod a front lawn overgrown with weeds, surrounded by a
42:55
Speaker 1: chain link fence, sort of messy toys and other items
42:58
Speaker 1: strown across the yard. To the police say they had
43:01
Speaker 1: no record of any child abuse or domestic violence issues
43:05
Speaker 1: at the house. However, family members have told police officers
43:10
Speaker 1: that there have been some issues talked about with the
43:14
Speaker 1: family that to hear ahead, uh an anger problem. Well
43:18
Speaker 1: wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute, hold
43:19
Speaker 1: on to ash, she willcott. Uh you have three children, Uh,
43:26
Speaker 1: Brian Russell, I'm trying to get children for you. But
43:29
Speaker 1: you won't go ahead and pot the question to that
43:31
Speaker 1: woman you've been dating. But that's another cannon worms I'll
43:34
Speaker 1: deal with later. Everybody else. I'm not gonna even get
43:38
Speaker 1: into your family situation. But she's got three girls here
43:43
Speaker 1: in the home that she's the single mom working to support.
43:46
Speaker 1: You've got the two sons. So at her young age,
43:50
Speaker 1: she's in her thirty story had five children. The sons
43:52
Speaker 1: are back home in Tennessee. When the neighbors are saying
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Speaker 1: that she had a lot of anger, I guess she
43:59
Speaker 1: did have a lot anger, right, sure, But but listen,
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Speaker 1: it's not about having anger. We all have anger at
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Speaker 1: different things. It's about the level of anger and what
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Speaker 1: people did about noticing she had anger issues. So did
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Speaker 1: it rise to the level of someone should have reported it?
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Speaker 1: I would submit that this kind of crime doesn't happen
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Speaker 1: because you just get angry because you're exhausted, single mom,
44:21
Speaker 1: working all those things that can go along. This kind
44:24
Speaker 1: of crime happens because it's not just an anger issue,
44:27
Speaker 1: you know. Dr Brian Russell, psychologist, lawyer, host of investigation
44:31
Speaker 1: discoveries hit show Fatal Vows. I agree, because when I'm
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Speaker 1: exhausted and I've been working, I'm trying to make dinner
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Speaker 1: and everything else that goes with raising children, I may
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Speaker 1: be short or curt or just very quiet because I'm tired.
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Speaker 1: But this is you cannot attribute an attack like this
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Speaker 1: on your child to the normal pressures of parenthood or
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Speaker 1: motherhood or single motherhood. That's absolutely right. I think most
44:59
Speaker 1: people are probably listening to this and thinking there's got
45:03
Speaker 1: to be a profound mental illness element to this case.
45:08
Speaker 1: Here you go, no, no, no, no, don't you're jumping
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Speaker 1: ahead of me. I think most people are listening to
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Speaker 1: us thinking that. And while this certainly does not sound
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Speaker 1: like a mentally healthy woman to me, it's always important
45:23
Speaker 1: to look when you're looking to see if somebody's actions
45:28
Speaker 1: are the product of conscious choices or mental illness. One
45:32
Speaker 1: of the things that you always have to look at
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Speaker 1: is are they doing anything to cover up the behavior,
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Speaker 1: to evade captured detection, to hide evidence, hide themselves, or
45:43
Speaker 1: anything like that that would suggest consciousness of guilt, that
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Speaker 1: they know what they're doing is wrong. Because if that's
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Speaker 1: the mentally ill or not, they're responsible. And this woman did,
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Speaker 1: she fled, She hid all kinds of consciousness of guilt.
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Speaker 1: To Wendy Patrick, they knowledge of guilt, the indication of
46:05
Speaker 1: guilty conscience. By tying up the children, by trying to
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Speaker 1: burn the evidence of stabbing the one daughter so many
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Speaker 1: times cops couldn't figure out how many. By taking the
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Speaker 1: other on the run in her suv, that shows consciousness
46:24
Speaker 1: of guilt to me, flight, Yeah, you know, each of
46:28
Speaker 1: you have brought up such interesting points, the consciousness of
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Speaker 1: guilt being the flight, the fact that apparently she still
46:34
Speaker 1: knows right from wrong, which flies in the face of
46:36
Speaker 1: some mental defenses. Uh. But you know another point that
46:40
Speaker 1: several of you have made, um Ashley says she wants
46:42
Speaker 1: to know more about the anger that somebody predicted this.
46:45
Speaker 1: But this type of thing, Nancy, is a combination of
46:48
Speaker 1: provocation and predisposition. In other words, all the things you said.
46:52
Speaker 1: There are many single mothers, no doubt listening, that have
46:55
Speaker 1: the same schedule as you described, working two jobs, making
46:58
Speaker 1: dinner for the kids, trying to do it all, and
47:00
Speaker 1: would never in a million years even consider using any
47:03
Speaker 1: type of violence, much less something like this. So it's
47:06
Speaker 1: the what else is going on here which is going
47:08
Speaker 1: to make the difference between what kind of a defense
47:10
Speaker 1: is ultimately mounted and then of course whether or not
47:13
Speaker 1: that's successful in court. You know, another question is how
47:17
Speaker 1: in the world did she manage to go on the
47:20
Speaker 1: run and elude police. But before we leave the scene
47:23
Speaker 1: of the crime with me is a world renowned forensics expert,
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Speaker 1: Karen Smith. Karen, what would you be looking for at
47:31
Speaker 1: the scene, And I'm talking about the primary scene. We've
47:34
Speaker 1: got a primary, secondary and a tertiary crime scene. Here, Karen,
47:38
Speaker 1: inside the home, what would you be looking for? What clues?
47:43
Speaker 1: I would start in the kitchen where the eleven year
47:45
Speaker 1: old was found. According to report, there was blood on
47:50
Speaker 1: the furniture, blood on the floor. If this child was
47:53
Speaker 1: bound and gagged, bound with duct tape and gagged with
47:56
Speaker 1: a sock in her mouth, she is utterly defenseless, which
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Speaker 1: tells me that this is a very highly volatile and
48:03
Speaker 1: highly mobile crime scene. It didn't just happen in the kitchen.
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Speaker 1: It happened in other areas of the house. And I
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Speaker 1: cannot imagine anyone, let alone an eleven year old going
48:14
Speaker 1: through fifty seventies stab wounds. That's indicative to me as
48:19
Speaker 1: a form of pikeriism, which is using a sharp instrument
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Speaker 1: to poke at someone. Uh, not just full on stab wounds,
48:27
Speaker 1: but other ways of of eliciting torture or a form
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Speaker 1: of punishment. And by all intents and purposes, from what
48:35
Speaker 1: I've heard, that is what this woman was doing, was
48:38
Speaker 1: punishing these girls for reading incorrectly and the way they
48:43
Speaker 1: were looking at her. Another thing I would be looking for,
48:46
Speaker 1: and I don't know if they they may have been
48:47
Speaker 1: focusing on the bloody crime scene, trying to determine exactly
48:52
Speaker 1: what happened through forensics. But I would be interested from
48:55
Speaker 1: another angle of evidence to determine whether the home was
48:58
Speaker 1: well kept, whether it was filthy, whether there was food
49:02
Speaker 1: in the fridge and the the cabinets, whether it looked
49:06
Speaker 1: like um, the bathrooms were cleaned. Why do Why am
49:09
Speaker 1: I saying this because to me, it would give me
49:12
Speaker 1: a clust or her mental health. Was she keeping up
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Speaker 1: the home, was she neglecting them? Were they well fed?
49:19
Speaker 1: I would be looking at that too, Karen, just so
49:21
Speaker 1: I would know the state of mind. Absolutely, you opened
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Speaker 1: the cabinets and there's, uh, you know, a box of
49:28
Speaker 1: rice Christie's that's been there for three years. And you
49:30
Speaker 1: open the fridge and it's empty or it smells because
49:33
Speaker 1: it hasn't been cleaned. The rooms are covered in filth,
49:37
Speaker 1: the walls are covered in in you know, chocolate milk,
49:40
Speaker 1: and god knows what it's It's a horrible, horrible situation.
49:43
Speaker 1: So yes, you would want to look at all of
49:45
Speaker 1: those factors, as well as the blood at the crime
49:48
Speaker 1: scene and the location of the daughter, as well as
49:51
Speaker 1: the location of the weapons that were apparently left behind.
49:53
Speaker 1: I wonder, John Linley, Crime Stories investigative reporter, how this
49:57
Speaker 1: mom got so far away in an suv with a
50:01
Speaker 1: kidnapped child. So take a listen very quickly as witnesses
50:06
Speaker 1: are describing what they saw, the black suv, Alex's matches,
50:11
Speaker 1: the description, the ambrell or the little growth, miranda orange
50:14
Speaker 1: peach dress, poofy hair like they described, and we're they
50:18
Speaker 1: are called this is called just to be safe, you know,
50:21
Speaker 1: even if it's not like she seemed happy, like she's
50:24
Speaker 1: scared about anything. She was playing and just kind of
50:26
Speaker 1: like being a little kid. She was staying episode in
50:28
Speaker 1: the summer if she was climbing out and the woman
50:30
Speaker 1: was just laying down in the backseat. So, John Linley,
50:33
Speaker 1: I don't know how she managed to a Loui police,
50:35
Speaker 1: But where was she ultimately found. She was in the
50:38
Speaker 1: Arts district of Tulsa in a parking lot. And this
50:41
Speaker 1: is where these two women that had the sense of
50:44
Speaker 1: mind to call police. They had seen the amber alert
50:47
Speaker 1: and so they made sure they called nine one one immediately.
50:51
Speaker 1: And the scene that they're describing, we have a glimpse
50:55
Speaker 1: of this thanks to a news helicopter, a camera that
50:59
Speaker 1: is shooting down on top is capturing the scene. The
51:04
Speaker 1: little girl doesn't seem to have a care in the world.
51:06
Speaker 1: She's she's playing and in the back seat is to
51:10
Speaker 1: hear it, she's lying down and not only is she
51:12
Speaker 1: lying down, she's asleep. Well, take a listen to what
51:15
Speaker 1: police say about what happened in the patrol car. She
51:18
Speaker 1: admitted to being upset with the two older children because
51:21
Speaker 1: of the way they were reading their books, and so
51:23
Speaker 1: she proceeded to bind their hands with the tape. She
51:26
Speaker 1: admitted that she used to have the victim fifty to
51:29
Speaker 1: sixty times what she said and get her in the
51:32
Speaker 1: head with a gas two or three times. Right now,
51:36
Speaker 1: believe it or not, that daughter who sustaining sixty to
51:39
Speaker 1: seventy pickaxe wounds is in the hospital in critical condition,
51:45
Speaker 1: but alive, and this mom is in custody. Family members
51:51
Speaker 1: now saying the single mom snapped after losing her job
51:55
Speaker 1: and being prevented from attending her son's graduation, prevented by
51:59
Speaker 1: her mother or who cares for the two boys. Listen
52:02
Speaker 1: to Barbara al Sharif and aunt, my little niece came
52:07
Speaker 1: running up the driveway barefoot in hysterics, saying that Auntie, Auntie,
52:13
Speaker 1: mommy killed Sadilla. I came running in there and I
52:16
Speaker 1: looked at her and I shouted out her name. I
52:19
Speaker 1: told her, don't worry, We're gonna get you out of here.
52:21
Speaker 1: That from k h r H TV. The police report
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Speaker 1: says one daughter told cops they had been held hostage
52:28
Speaker 1: in the room without food or water for a week
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Speaker 1: before the attack. Listen to this. She was normal Friday, Saturday,
52:37
Speaker 1: she snapped Sunday she was evil. Nancy Grace Crime Story
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