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Furness Show 11-11: Gambling in Sports, Joe Sheehan, John Lund · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: There's a lot to get to.
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  Speaker 2: Award season is here for Major League Baseball Manager of
• 0:03
  Speaker 2: the Year is later on today. I think it's in
• 0:07
  Speaker 2: two days. Do we confirm this? Two days is when
• 0:09
  Speaker 2: they announced the MVP thirteenth Thursday. Baseball likes to spread
• 0:13
  Speaker 2: out and they think they're the NFL. They can have
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: twenty four seven? Is that what they want to do? Okay,
• 0:17
  Speaker 2: So we'll talk to him about He did a story
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: on his awards and what he's looking at as far
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: as that is concerned, and a lot just kind of
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  Speaker 2: put a ball in the season heading to the offseason
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  Speaker 2: for the Mariners as well. Get his thoughts on what's
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: coming up the He did write about the point shaving.
• 0:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to touch on that because it is Listen.
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  Speaker 2: You know my policy on the NBA right is refused
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  Speaker 2: to talk unless there's something significant. Did you see Kate
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: Cunningham's line last night in the NBA?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so he missed thirty one shots. Okay, he missed
• 0:56
  Speaker 2: Let me emphasize this thirty one shots.
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  Speaker 1: Out and take the one shots. He missed thirty one shots.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I was of.
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  Speaker 1: He took forty five.
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  Speaker 3: That's bad.
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  Speaker 2: Because I can, and we're just sports radio. Nobody takes
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  Speaker 2: it serious. We're just sitting here shooting the you know
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  Speaker 2: what here, help me out here with the NBA, did
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  Speaker 2: they not just have a couple of guys, a sitting coach,
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  Speaker 2: a player, and then another assistant coach get indicted for
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  Speaker 2: gambling issues. Did that help me out?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: No, okay, I read the news and you can get.
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  Speaker 1: From that that did. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So a sitting coach, yes, a player and assistant coach
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  Speaker 2: all are in trouble for that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So that's.
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  Speaker 3: Confirmed, confirmed, in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: I need your help here, okay.
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  Speaker 2: With baseball, yes, with the baseball side of it, with
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  Speaker 2: classe and who is the other guy? Okay, those two guys,
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  Speaker 2: what were there and what did they get accused of doing?
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  Speaker 2: Besides I mean what what what exactly they happened?
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  Speaker 1: They were together, by the way, they were sports right,
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  Speaker 1: I believe in you.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, they were allegedly paid to have their first pitch
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  Speaker 5: of it at bat ball.
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  Speaker 2: So just like a little it's like a little player
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  Speaker 2: prop Yeah, like a little player prop right. Okay, that's
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  Speaker 2: what they got busted for. Yes, and they're in big trouble,
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  Speaker 2: like it just got took to the next level the
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  Speaker 2: other way. Yes, big trouble. So that's what happened with
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  Speaker 2: those two guys. So let me bring it back to
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  Speaker 2: your league.
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  Speaker 6: Mind.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you watch it. I do because of I get it.
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  Speaker 7: I do.
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  Speaker 3: I'm married into the NBA.
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  Speaker 1: So player props.
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  Speaker 2: Does it not smell fishy a guy taking forty five
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  Speaker 2: shots because.
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  Speaker 6: That that is left over microwaved and re microwave.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that that is.
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  Speaker 2: That's how that right, that's as fishy as it gets
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  Speaker 2: forty five.
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  Speaker 1: You play in a league.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying he did something weird, No, but what's
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  Speaker 2: the player prop it? Probably if it's made field goals,
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  Speaker 2: over on shot attempts well or over on over on
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  Speaker 2: shot attemps. Well, I mean that would have been he
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  Speaker 2: probably blew by that in the first half, but made
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  Speaker 2: field goals.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 6: Also, isn't the team involved at that point? Why are
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  Speaker 6: you still delivering? Why are you still putting the ball
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  Speaker 6: in that person?
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  Speaker 1: What's I don't know, good question. No, I'll tell you
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 5: That's like really won by two internet so he's their
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  Speaker 5: best player too.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, you keep feeding the guy.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, No, I'm sure, it's all on the up and up. Yeah, Chauncey,
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  Speaker 2: But like that just screams weird to me, Like it
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  Speaker 2: just it doesn't pass the sniff test. It just doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: You took forty five field goal attempts? Did you bet
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  Speaker 2: on yourself to somebody say, hey, listen, I got ex
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  Speaker 2: and you're making more than twelve field goals?
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I can do that. That's easy.
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  Speaker 2: Well you're gonna have to take forty five shots to
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  Speaker 2: get there, Like, I don't know. And I bring it
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  Speaker 2: back because yeah, because Joe wrote about the gambling and
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  Speaker 2: let me be the last the last ye wait, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the last line he says.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: It addresses the specifics of the alleged wrongdoing by colass
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  Speaker 2: A and Ortiz, but it fails to do anything about
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  Speaker 2: the larger issues of micro betting.
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  Speaker 1: Micro betting.
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  Speaker 3: Now we have a new thing.
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  Speaker 1: Player props. Yes, player props, which which, by.
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  Speaker 6: The way, I know a guy taking a first ball.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm delving into MG in the midday territory.
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  Speaker 2: He's a he's a king of player props, Like that's
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  Speaker 2: what he loves more than anything. So that's a conversation
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to ask him about tomorrow. But like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like those are the things that are the easiest thing,
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  Speaker 2: Like if you're gonna you know, Pete Rose bet on
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  Speaker 2: baseball and it was wrong, I I by no means
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  Speaker 2: it might. But he's his.
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  Speaker 3: Team to win, to win every single time.
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  Speaker 2: Hard to control. Like, because you're managing, you'd want your
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  Speaker 2: team to win every game. Throwing a ball on a
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  Speaker 2: first pitch, taking x number of field goals or making
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  Speaker 2: X number of field goals on x number of all
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  Speaker 2: those things a lot easier to do. Sports has a problem.
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  Speaker 2: It just does. And you know, like I people here
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  Speaker 2: complain a lot Mark does and others about the fact
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  Speaker 2: that you can't wager unless you're at a tribal casino.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, I think it's the best
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  Speaker 2: thing in the world. Maybe just I'm maybe I just
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  Speaker 2: have no self control because I'm sitting there last night
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  Speaker 2: watching the worst Monday night football game ever ever. Keith
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  Speaker 2: and I were watching this thing, going this is just
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  Speaker 2: last six is pretty bad too. The Bronco I had
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  Speaker 2: hockey team, so I watched, but this, well, these are
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  Speaker 2: two good teams. Yeah, yeah, allegedly here's I if I
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  Speaker 2: had my so callal me casino app in my hand,
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  Speaker 2: which I did, but I had it's geo fenced. The
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  Speaker 2: only thing that would have made that thing better is
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  Speaker 2: just chasing all kinds of stuff, right, yes, And so
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  Speaker 2: I'll be at first swimmit. I don't have the self control.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe it's a good thing that.
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  Speaker 3: You have to physically go to call me right yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And like so in games a lot harder to do. Right.
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  Speaker 1: That's we're doing March Madness.
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  Speaker 2: And then my buddy Shrek takes me down a rabbit
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  Speaker 2: hole and we end up betting on Texas A and
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  Speaker 2: m Christy versus East Illinois Wesleyan in a sixteen versus
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  Speaker 2: sixteen matchup that in itself says I have a problem.
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  Speaker 1: I get it, but.
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  Speaker 3: But it controls you.
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  Speaker 2: But it all but in all, seriously, I'm gona, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gona ask you about this, among other things. So I think,
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  Speaker 2: really he brought some really good points, Like it's a
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  Speaker 2: little scary these little this little player props. Now, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know about other casinos. I know, so qual Me
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  Speaker 2: does a really good job. They limit the parlays in
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  Speaker 2: terms of what you can wrap into a par single
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  Speaker 2: games aren't usually.
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  Speaker 3: Allowed at the window.
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  Speaker 1: But they won't.
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  Speaker 2: But they won't let you do like a single game.
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  Speaker 2: It's like one thing per game, which is probably a
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  Speaker 2: good idea. Yes, like it's probably a good idea. But
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  Speaker 2: baseball is trying to limit it now to two hundred
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  Speaker 2: dollars for these bets. Right, come on, that's not the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the other thing. The problem is not necessarily fan
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  Speaker 2: duel or draft Kings or still call me casino. It's
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  Speaker 2: the other stuff. It's the underground stuff. And if you
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  Speaker 2: don't think that, listen, man, I could make a bet
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  Speaker 2: right now if I wanted to. I've got a guy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't use him, but I got a guy. Who
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  Speaker 2: has a guy. Everyone has a guy. Everyone has a guy,
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  Speaker 2: got a guy. It's not the limiting it's not the
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  Speaker 2: ones that are sanctioned that. Those aren't the problems. That's
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  Speaker 2: what you can track, right, You can track that unless
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  Speaker 2: you're Chauncey Billups and you get so deep involved into it,
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  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, then you who tracks the
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  Speaker 2: federal government?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's.
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  Speaker 2: all those things. In a second, I do want to
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  Speaker 2: start with this Joe. I started my show out today
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  Speaker 2: and then I made a note I'm going to talk
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  Speaker 2: about this because I didn't think it passed the sniff test.
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  Speaker 2: obviously on everyone's mind right now. And that's the class
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  Speaker 2: A and Ortiz thing with the betting scandal in Major
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  Speaker 2: League Baseball. Last night, Kate Cunningham took forty five field
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  Speaker 2: goal attempts for an NBA team, Like forty five miss
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  Speaker 2: thirty one shots. Okay, not like the NBA has any issue,
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  Speaker 2: Oh wait, they do. Like player prop bets are the
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  Speaker 2: easiest ones out there. Throwing a ball in a baseball
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  Speaker 2: game might be the easiest player prop bet as opposed
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  Speaker 2: to how many shots are you going to take in
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  Speaker 2: a game? But nevertheless it comes to play. You wrote
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  Speaker 2: about it, and I think I mentioned this with Anders
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  Speaker 2: and Jess in the first segment. Micro betting define micro
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  Speaker 2: betting for me, anything.
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  Speaker 9: That isn't the result of the team's performance in the game,
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  Speaker 9: which would be a money line, spread, bets, totals, anything.
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  Speaker 9: It's just focused on what a player is going to
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  Speaker 9: do under six and a half strikeouts over forty seven
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  Speaker 9: and a half shots. I had that last side, and
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  Speaker 9: what a bad beat on cakes getting.
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  Speaker 8: It out problem.
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  Speaker 9: And that's where we're getting into the log from a
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  Speaker 9: lot of our mechanisms for finding bad actors are predicated
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  Speaker 9: on the larger markets, and it's just very, very hard
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  Speaker 9: to regulate and monitor all of these smaller markets, even
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  Speaker 9: things as small as what will the next pitch be
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  Speaker 9: a ball or strike? Will it be abobber below ninety
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  Speaker 9: four and a half miles an hour, which is what
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  Speaker 9: Costs and Artis were trying to exploit when they got caught.
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  Speaker 9: It's also the area where players are taking a lot
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  Speaker 9: of abuse.
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  Speaker 8: Now there used to be you're struck out with.
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  Speaker 9: The bases loaded, and people were set because you blew
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  Speaker 9: it for your team. Well, now people are accepted because
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  Speaker 9: you didn't hit the total base prop and you actually
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  Speaker 9: cost that money. So we see an upstick and player abuse,
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  Speaker 9: and players have talked extensively about this. I want to
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  Speaker 9: say the athletic has been all over the story talking
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  Speaker 9: to players about the way they're getting abused, not just
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  Speaker 9: on a you stink in more of a you cost
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  Speaker 9: me money angle. So there are a lot of reasons,
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  Speaker 9: and I'm pro sports gambling, but even I'm coming around
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  Speaker 9: with the idea that because of the risk involved for
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  Speaker 9: its lisploitation, because of the ways players are being treated.
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  Speaker 9: Maybe this is something we need to look at and say, hey,
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  Speaker 9: this maybe isn't the best thing for not just for
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  Speaker 9: the sport, for the players, but also for the fans
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  Speaker 9: and the bench.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm with you, I'm you know. Listen.
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  Speaker 2: there and so, which is fine, and I think it's great.
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  Speaker 2: I think player props are the ones that I think
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  Speaker 2: are interesting. Because Graham Gino just talked about this. I
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  Speaker 2: think he's with the Giants now, right, the kicker, longtime
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  Speaker 2: kicker in the NFL, And he was talking about the
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  Speaker 2: other day it used to be NFL players would get
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  Speaker 2: grief because they cost somebody a fantasy football game, right
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  Speaker 2: like oh man, Well, now, as he said, hey, I've
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  Speaker 2: made plenty of kicks I've missed plenty of kicks, and
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  Speaker 2: now I've got people saying, hey, you know you missed
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  Speaker 2: that fifth four yard or I lost you know that
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  Speaker 2: cost me points. I lost my game by you know,
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  Speaker 2: a point, and you know that's fine. Now it costs
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  Speaker 2: people cash money. Are player prop bets the issue? Do
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  Speaker 2: you think, Joe, and We'll be just look at baseball.
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  Speaker 2: That's your kind of expertise, because it feels like player
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: prop bets in baseball. God, I forgot about the miles
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: per hour part of it, Like for a pitcher. It
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: just feels like it's way, way too easy to influence
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 15:22
  Speaker 9: And remember this is all stuff that's we couldn't even
• 15:25
  Speaker 9: imagine it's fifteen years ago, right because we have this
• 15:28
  Speaker 9: real time data. Now you know, we're not just we're
• 15:30
  Speaker 9: measuring the pitch, but we can put that information out
• 15:32
  Speaker 9: there so that whatever your app of choice. And I'm
• 15:35
  Speaker 9: reluctant to name any one here because I don't want
• 15:37
  Speaker 9: to make it sound like it's one of one. The
• 15:39
  Speaker 9: problem is specific to an app, it's all of them.
• 15:42
  Speaker 8: They all have had these bets. But you now have
• 15:45
  Speaker 8: these real.
• 15:46
  Speaker 9: Time data feeds where an app can say, tell me
• 15:48
  Speaker 9: the speed of the next pitch over under that one
• 15:51
  Speaker 9: side of it, and immediately you'll have that response. And
• 15:53
  Speaker 9: it almost turns sports betting, which used to be, Hey,
• 15:55
  Speaker 9: I'm gonna put twenty five bucks on the Cowboys and
• 15:57
  Speaker 9: I'm gonna get three hours of entertainment. Now it's almost
• 16:00
  Speaker 9: like a slot machine betting the next pitch. Oh, I'm
• 16:02
  Speaker 9: betting the next pitch. And that's where the addiction, addictive
• 16:04
  Speaker 9: part of it comes in. So a lot of this
• 16:06
  Speaker 9: is a new problem. Whereas think about sports candles in
• 16:10
  Speaker 9: the past, think about a college basketball had a bunch
• 16:12
  Speaker 9: of them, Arab State, Northwestern, and NOIU in the fifties.
• 16:17
  Speaker 9: It was quite spread related and we all kind of
• 16:19
  Speaker 9: understood that this is a new way of manipulating the market.
• 16:22
  Speaker 9: And you know, MLB reacted personally, I did not know
• 16:26
  Speaker 9: that you could get four thousand dollars down on the
• 16:29
  Speaker 9: next pitch. I'm not a big time better, I mean
• 16:32
  Speaker 9: to the except that I've bet.
• 16:33
  Speaker 8: It's never been in numbers like that.
• 16:34
  Speaker 9: It didn't even occur to me because you get four
• 16:36
  Speaker 9: thousand dollars down on the next pitch. So they've what
• 16:39
  Speaker 9: they did in reaction on Monday is they agreed with
• 16:41
  Speaker 9: the books that they're only going to cap that at
• 16:43
  Speaker 9: two hundred bucks a pop and you can't parlay them.
• 16:45
  Speaker 9: So this at least reduces some of the incentive to
• 16:48
  Speaker 9: exploit these markets, right because you can only get two
• 16:51
  Speaker 9: hundred dollars down, isn't really worth the risk of breaking it.
• 16:54
  Speaker 9: But you still have I mean, it's still possible. It
• 16:56
  Speaker 9: doesn't mean it can't be done. It doesn't mean that
• 16:58
  Speaker 9: somebody's not gonna get mad about it, and it doesn't
• 17:00
  Speaker 9: mean that the all of the larger problems with prop betting,
• 17:03
  Speaker 9: with individual prop betting, micro betting.
• 17:06
  Speaker 8: Still don't exist.
• 17:07
  Speaker 9: This is something MLB does a lot where they solve
• 17:10
  Speaker 9: the last problem and they don't figure out, Okay, how
• 17:12
  Speaker 9: are we going to take a look at the bigger problem,
• 17:14
  Speaker 9: which is micro betting, which is exposing our players to
• 17:17
  Speaker 9: all of this anger, which is kind of gamifying the
• 17:20
  Speaker 9: sport in a way that look to me, there's a
• 17:23
  Speaker 9: really big difference between betting the narriners to win and
• 17:26
  Speaker 9: betting pulliard ery guests to have a game over and
• 17:29
  Speaker 9: one and a half toll of basis.
• 17:30
  Speaker 8: And I say that as a guy who runs the gaming.
• 17:32
  Speaker 9: News, that that gives out those picks, and I'm wondering,
• 17:35
  Speaker 9: now we should just not have those at all. We
• 17:38
  Speaker 9: should just keep betting to what does the team do, futures,
• 17:42
  Speaker 9: bets on who's going to win the World Series of
• 17:44
  Speaker 9: the super Bowl, and stop betting on individual players for
• 17:47
  Speaker 9: a lot of different reasons.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an ongoing conversation, and I still think in
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: the other part of it, Anders and I brought this
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: up because mainstream gambling is okay now and is accepted
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: in most states, either tribal or otherwise. It allows, I
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: think the underground stuff to flourish even more too, because
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: that's where the problem is, right, I mean, that's where
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: the NBA guys got in trouble and stuff like that.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: But you know, we'll see it's a conversation. I'm guessing
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: you and I might have this conversation again the next
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: few months as we see things take place. Let's go
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: on the field first and foremost. Wrap it up, Dodgers win,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: epic series epic I would just say, great playoffs, Jill,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: am I wrong? Just maybe I'm skewed because the Mariners
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: were involved, But I just felt like it was a
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: really you know, not every series was great, but it
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: just felt very entertaining this year the baseball playoffs.
• 18:34
  Speaker 9: I'm gonna tell you a story. One of my good
• 18:36
  Speaker 9: friends is out in La a guy with the USC
• 18:39
  Speaker 9: with still one of my best friends. He was down
• 18:41
  Speaker 9: in San Diego with his eighty I'm gonna get trouble
• 18:44
  Speaker 9: if I get this wrong. I'm gonna say eighty one
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: year old mother in law. And she was absolutely completely
• 18:51
  Speaker 9: into the World Series. Not really a sports state at all,
• 18:53
  Speaker 9: certainly our baseball fan. And she, this woman, lovely woman,
• 18:57
  Speaker 9: was passionate about rooting for the dogs in this World Series.
• 19:01
  Speaker 9: And I think that illustrates what this series did. It
• 19:03
  Speaker 9: broke contained, It got out into the mainstream sports world
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: in a way that baseball hasn't done, probably since twenty
• 19:10
  Speaker 9: sixteen with the Cub story. This series had these playoffs
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: to make you to reach to your point, had everything,
• 19:16
  Speaker 9: had superstars showing out blood etou, the shohaio honey Yo,
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: your shinobu, gem mooto. That had great stories like Ernie
• 19:24
  Speaker 9: Clement going crazy and Will Climb throwing four innings of
• 19:27
  Speaker 9: shutout baseball in an eighteen inning game.
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: It had great games.
• 19:30
  Speaker 9: The Mariners and Tigers played two of them. You had
• 19:32
  Speaker 9: the Dodgers and Blue Jays playing a couple of them.
• 19:35
  Speaker 9: You had weird things like the or Rian Kirkering throwing
• 19:39
  Speaker 9: away the series against the Dodgers with a throwing error
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: in the tenth inning of that game. Everything it was
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: incredible play too. They were strategical. Strategical, Yeah, let's make
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: up more. It's just strategic decisions like all of the
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: all of the all of the intentional walks and all
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: the bunts that John Schneider was calling for, the fishing
• 19:58
  Speaker 9: decisions that Dave were vert constmated it. It had everything,
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: and I just it was really great to see people
• 20:05
  Speaker 9: who I would normally not expect to care about baseball
• 20:07
  Speaker 9: get excited about baseball, beat out left individual fans. It
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: was I don't want I don't like ranking these things.
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: It's all angels on the head of the pin for me.
• 20:15
  Speaker 9: But it was a great postseason capped by a very
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: entertaining World Series that hopefully we can capture this momentum
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: going into twenty twe sers.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe, I would say, it's funny my wife, who's
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: you know, as casual a sports fan, and I use
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: that term even loosely as it gets uh, you know,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: there was carry over for her because she and others
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: in our family when I'm not even home watching and
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: probably was my son watching, they watched the World Series
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: and she, you know, she's asking, God, do you see
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: the end of the you know, the hunt. I was
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: doing a hockey game, But thanks for watching the hockey
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: game that I was broadcasting. I appreciate that a couple
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: of No. I did not watch the seventh the game seven,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: but you know, I think we did see a carrier.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I go back in time. I think the Red Sox
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: breaking their curse. What nearly two thousands right for you? Yeah,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I think the Red Sox doing that. The Cubby's doing
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: the same thing, you know. And then obviously this year
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: there's certain times that it just it's what And we
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: couldn't even write the script. You couldn't even write down
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: exactly what the I don't think you could write down
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: what the formula was, you know, because it was Toronto.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: It wasn't even a US based team. Maybe there was
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: an anti Canada thing, I don't know, fifty first State,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: whatever it would have been. But it was just a
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: compelling year and it's good for baseball. Let's hope they
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: can carry it through. Did the best team win?
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: Joe?
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: This was a year where it was hard to defind
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: the best team. You had a whole bunch of teams
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: between ninety three and who the Brewers have ninety seven wins.
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: So I'm okay saying yes, especially since the Dodgers. The
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: dog won ninety three games while playing the whole season
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: in second year, putting through you know, a lot of
• 21:46
  Speaker 9: pictures on the io, letting them rest up, taking their time,
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: getting guys back from injuries. So I think if you said,
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: I think if he said at the start of the year,
• 21:54
  Speaker 9: the team with the most wins wins the championship, that
• 21:57
  Speaker 9: would have been the Dodgers. The Dodgers would have gone
• 21:59
  Speaker 9: through their season differently and probably had more success. And
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: I have a problem saying that the best team in
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: the postseason certainly was the champion. But I you know,
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: there were just five or six teams right at the
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: top of the league this year.
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: It's really a change.
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: I mean, we go back to the early part of
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: this decade, at the end of the twenty tens, and
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: there was like an upper class teams winning one hundred
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: and three hundred and five hundred and ten wins every year,
• 22:20
  Speaker 9: and we don't have that.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: We have this very compressed top of the league. The
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: reasons for which we get into it at a time,
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: but it made it hard to say who was the best.
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: Team in the league this year.
• 22:30
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• 22:37
  Speaker 2: the off season with three major decisions to make. Everyone else's,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: for the most part, under contract. Polanco opts out, So
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: he's a decision they have to make in terms of
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: what the market and is a mutual decision. I should
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: mention this, These are all mutual decisions. You know, what's
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: what's Polanco going to do? What will Seattle offer him?
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: What will the market tell us about Polanco? What will
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: the market say? And what will the Mariners think about
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Gino Suarez? Well, you know, good vibes only, and obviously
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: the big one is Josh Naylor. Let's go kind of
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: in order. Let's start with Josh Naylor. What what priority
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: should the Marriers place on him? And what do you
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: think the market's going to be for what Josh Naylor
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: is able to do on the field?
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: Well, all part it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: Should be to sad In Kyle Tucker. But if you're
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: not going to do that, I think Nayler is a reasonable,
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: less expensive option younger. Of the of the players are
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: talking about, he's the youngest. He plays a position where
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: the Manors really don't have a great secondary option. It
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: was one of the reasons they trained for him is
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: they couldn't really figure out for a space this year.
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: I like his baguin balance with the lineup. I like
• 23:38
  Speaker 9: the fact that he's more but you know, two to
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: eighty and doubles hitter for a team that doesn't really
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: have that and has a lot of strikeout guys and
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: a lot has a lot of guys hit the power.
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: But he fits to me within the context of that
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: line up, which we saw in the last few months
• 23:51
  Speaker 9: of months of the season in the playoffs.
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: I don't think he's.
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: Gonna steal fifty five paces, but I do think that
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: the rest of his game fits really well. I don't
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: I'm not saying don't re sign Hno Suarez, but I
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: would let somebody else out bid me if it came
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: to it. I would bring him back for a lot
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: of money.
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: The years are the bigger things.
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: I mean, we talked about him a lot during the summer,
• 24:11
  Speaker 9: and I think we saw the downside risk of the
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: two months he spent in Seattle, right granted, never going
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: to take away the game six home run, and that's
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: something that's going to live forever. But that's not what
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: you're buying. You're not buying the memory of that. You're
• 24:23
  Speaker 9: buying guys helping. Was he thirty five next year? Somebody
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: who in declined the defense is going. I think you
• 24:31
  Speaker 9: can fake third base with like a Crawford Williamson platoon
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: in a way that they don't really have a room
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: to fake first base. So I would prioritize Nailor over
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: over Suarez.
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: And if Polanco, you know.
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: Again, Cole Young, I think has to play. I think
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: by the middle of next year you're talking about bringing
• 24:50
  Speaker 9: Emerson up to your.
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: Middland field set.
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: If I could bring Polanco back as a DH for
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: a DH price, I would certainly give a shot at that.
• 24:59
  Speaker 9: He was very productive year in a very strange way.
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: He was stand usual for a month, and then he
• 25:04
  Speaker 9: was stand hacked for three months, and then he was
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: stand usual again, and of course again another guy who
• 25:08
  Speaker 9: had great productive at bats in the postseason, He's going
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: to go down and now in his history, but again,
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: you know, one year with an option, two years at
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: a reasonable price. I'm not giving Suarez or Polanco big
• 25:20
  Speaker 9: deal just because we know the aging curve now cuts
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: off very quickly these guys. You know, these guys really
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: do age fast, and they pushed out of the league
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: at thirty one, thirty two, thirty three. He has been
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: an exception, but I don't think I want to bet
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: on that for much longer.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Planco's thirty two, Gino's gonna turn thirty five.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: The what do you think the market will be for
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Josh Naylor?
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: Like?
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: How much competition will Seattle have?
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: I think there's going to be fair about I mean,
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: he's the type of hinter teams are looking for now
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: because of the greater bats of ball. I think they're
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: willing to sacrifice some upper end home run power for
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: that too.
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: Eighty two ninety.
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: Average, which it doesn't sound like much, but remember the
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: league gets two forty. That's like saying a guy hit
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: three ten twenty years ago. That's the kind of hitter
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: Naylor is. And again the doubles he's been pretty durable.
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: You know, he's not a great first station, but he's
• 26:09
  Speaker 9: a decent one. He hasn't hurt you over there, So
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: I think we bring a lot to the table. And
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: again twenty eight I believe that's that's important. You want
• 26:17
  Speaker 9: to sign younger free ation, especially if it's probably going
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: to take I think it's gonna take four years. Even
• 26:23
  Speaker 9: remember he doesn't have the draft pick attach to him.
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: This is what we saw last year with Alex Preglan,
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: who saw with Nikolonso Pinalnza not having that draft pick
• 26:32
  Speaker 9: compensation attached makes a very big difference in how many
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: teams are going to be in your market. So I
• 26:38
  Speaker 9: think Nailer is going to do very well. My estimate
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: for him is like four and one oh eight to
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: twenty seven million a year, and you know, take that
• 26:46
  Speaker 9: in either direction, but that's I think going to be
• 26:48
  Speaker 9: where I think he lands. But I do think if
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: I can keep that to a four year deal so
• 26:53
  Speaker 9: that I'm not I don't have to lock him up
• 26:55
  Speaker 9: into his mid thirties. I think that's a good signing
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: for the Mariners because of what they're doing. And let's
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: keep in mind the Mariners have to I don't have
• 27:02
  Speaker 9: to win now or anything like that, but you're bringing
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: back a full starting rotation. There aren't three teams in
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: baseball who aren't in the market for a starting pitcher
• 27:10
  Speaker 9: this year, and the Mariners are one of them. So
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: you can focus entirely of spending your money on the
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: bats that you need to support that staff.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the thing with him is I
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: think that the re signing of Naylor is probably the
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: biggest offseason priority and move that this team's had in
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: a long time, because how you keep everything going in
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: that same direction and all the Gino's term good vibes
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: from what you just did last year. If you lose
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: really a guy that you don't get there without him,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: right like, and that's and and if you don't, the
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: perception is right or wrong because the player asse to
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: side where he's going to sign, it would be because
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: of finances. So that's that's a it's for a lot
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: of reasons. Josh Naylor is one of the most important
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: things they've had for this team in a long long time.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Joe Shean, before I let you go, you peep can
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: go to the Joshian newsletters see all the rest of
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: what he would put down for the awards. We'll find
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: out in a couple of days who should be the
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: al MVP.
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: Oh look, gotta go getting late here we have we
• 28:16
  Speaker 9: have this fantastic year talk in baseball, and that's how
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: you're gonna send me into the winter. You're really gonna
• 28:22
  Speaker 9: make me do this.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, we have that kind of relationship. We're that close.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: We could do this.
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: That's so cool.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Well listen because it could happen and I want to
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: And when it does happen, you're a guy that could
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: tell us why it will happen.
• 28:35
  Speaker 9: I published my ballots earlier this week or last week.
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: November is a bit of a blurdout, and I did
• 28:41
  Speaker 9: have Aaron Judge first head of cal rapping, and as
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: I explained it, it's one hundred points of OBP and
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: one hundred points of slugging versus catching. Was an eleven
• 28:50
  Speaker 9: hundred innings and that's really what the conversation came down to,
• 28:53
  Speaker 9: and I landed on the OBP and slugging part of it.
• 28:56
  Speaker 9: If you look at the war figures, Judge is either
• 28:58
  Speaker 9: ahead by a lot or by a little. I give
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: some extra credit for catching beyond what you might find
• 29:03
  Speaker 9: in our war calculations because of the value of doing so,
• 29:07
  Speaker 9: and I just I still couldn't get there with rally
• 29:10
  Speaker 9: because Judge was just that good. It's the second time
• 29:12
  Speaker 9: in four years that Judge has been so incursion, that
• 29:15
  Speaker 9: Judge has been so incredible that it's nudged out in
• 29:18
  Speaker 9: historic season. Remember he won the twenty twenty two al
• 29:20
  Speaker 9: MVP over Sho Heotani, who had one of his show
• 29:24
  Speaker 9: Heo Tani two way seasons. That's how good Judge has
• 29:27
  Speaker 9: been at his peak, that he's been better than a
• 29:30
  Speaker 9: two way season by Sho Heo Tani. And now it's
• 29:32
  Speaker 9: sixty home run season by a catcher. I don't think
• 29:35
  Speaker 9: there's a wrong answer. If a thousand people call in now,
• 29:39
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  Speaker 8: Put plans in place right now for Berkeley now that
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  Speaker 8: he's pass the nine game mark and how he fits
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  Speaker 8: into this team long termire for the season doesn't change.
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  Speaker 10: The plan doesn't change. You know, continue progressing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Blaye Lambert talking about Berkeley Cat and he played his
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: tenth game in the National Hockey League on Sunday in Dallas.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: That means that his entry level contract kicks in. The
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: clock is ticking its three year contract, so he's in
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: year one of three. Yep, so restricted free agency. All
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: that stuff comes early, and it's not like they can't
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: send him back down, but it won't do them a
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: lot of good. It does them no good at this point.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: It's much like what do we call it in baseball
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: time and that's the the June date or whatever it is, right.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: I mean, it just it all depends on how many
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: games you play. There's a bunch of different stuff and
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: how much of the year specifically that you you end
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: up playing right.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: So and that's and that's what it is. He's here,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: He's going to be here, He's probably not going anywhere.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: And I think more than anything, maybe now he can
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: relax a little bit, yes, like and just kind of
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: play the game and not have to worry about, you know,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: making a mistake and getting sent back down to the
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Western League in Spokane and all those things. He is
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: only nineteen years old, and that's pretty awesome.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, and like he's shown everything he can do
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: in the Western Hockey League, like how many, how many
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: hundred point plus points he scored last year, Like this
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: is the place where he's going to develop.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Matt Murray is expected to start tonight in goal for Seattle.
• 34:48
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• 35:21
  Speaker 1: It is cool. That's a weekend. It's a Wednesday. That's
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• 35:41
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• 35:46
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• 35:48
  Speaker 2: It was like this comparison he just did with the
• 35:50
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• 35:54
  Speaker 2: it looks like it's a toss up of this game.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: He just saw the Rams last week when they played
• 35:57
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  Speaker 1: Games also on cong TV MS.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: And well, how about this Manager of the Year anounced
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• 36:25
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  Speaker 5: I think so.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Let's see Dallas Mavericks Fire general manager Nico Harrison,
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• 36:40
  Speaker 2: is right knee. On Tuesday, Jalen Sendelle, Seahawks starting center
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: out for the foreseeable future with a knee injury. Does
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: it sound like its season ending? But we'll we'll see.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: We'll find out tomorrow. Hopefully he's okay. Always fight. It's
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  Speaker 2: interesting those guys do stuff right off the get going.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: I love when coach Oh, well, I'm not really sure.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I haven't really know. I don't know what was going on.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, man, you know exactly the diagnosis. Yes, Press
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  Speaker 4: Welcome Dan's weekly visit with John Lund unleashed. He's a
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  Speaker 4: John takes you through the Bay Area and the NFC
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  Speaker 4: West and dupes it out with the in over the.
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  Speaker 1: Niners and the Hawks. So let's unleash it now with
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  Speaker 4: Here's hean.
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  Speaker 2: All right, John Lone joined us. Every time I hear that,
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  Speaker 2: I think we're really old, Like we're dude, we're.
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: Old, sigging yourself, figer yourself, dude. I got I get
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: carted all the time. I'm a young man. Oh yeah,
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: I go to the grocery store. They're like, you can't
• 38:30
  Speaker 8: possibly be twenty one, and I'm like, yeah, just barely.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: You didn't get you didn't get carded when we were
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: in Salt Lake and everyone got carted there.
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: Twelve thirty. I remember that during the NBA Finals. Every
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: but he's like, uh, the games are over, but where
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: do we go for I'm like, for what? Yeah, yeah,
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: go ahead, sleep sorry twelve thirty. I can't go anywhere.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I remember one one year in the playoff, Remember Green
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Street that bar?
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  Speaker 8: Oh yeah yeah yeah, sy yeah, not really for a minute.
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  Speaker 2: I remember that that place state openly, that place stay openly.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: That was okay, yeah, that was ill. Oh yeah sure
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: it's probably closed now all right. It's god, how do
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: we survive? Salt Lake City? Buddy, how did we survive that?
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: It was bro all right, So you send me this
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: long ass text and.
• 39:23
  Speaker 8: Can I just go back? Can I just go back?
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: For really?
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: On the stream, I just told Andrews this. You're supposed
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: to be the hockey guy.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw.
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: I heard what you just did. There Andrews carry that
• 39:32
  Speaker 8: whole segment. It's like, here comes eating with the cracking minute.
• 39:35
  Speaker 8: And then Andrews told to talk about the nineteen year old.
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: You just kinda stap back and yeah, no, what was me?
• 39:40
  Speaker 10: That was me?
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: No, it wasn't.
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: Oh, oh get everything.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: When you got the text and you're reading, oh, you
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: know what? Actually anything? And why why did I know?
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Why did I Why did I lean on you? Why
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: did I lean because you got a text from John London?
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know. And it took me like ten minutes
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: to read this thing.
• 39:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but I just did your work for you. You
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: don't have to anything. This is the biggest game in
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: the NFL this weekend. This is going to determine the NFC.
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: There's somebody Night's game Packers can't do anything off as
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: a joke. This is the best two teams in the NFC.
• 40:11
  Speaker 8: I mean, the Lions are good, but look, this is
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: this could be for number one, and the Seahawks are
• 40:16
  Speaker 8: starting to get their home Mojoe back and all this stuff.
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: This is, this is massive. So I just did your work.
• 40:21
  Speaker 8: I sent you side by side comparison because that's what
• 40:24
  Speaker 8: we do. We do this stuff. And I got great
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: I got some great stories because I went to the
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: ram blocker room just for you last week because the
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: Niners stink so bad. I just went, why am I
• 40:33
  Speaker 8: I've heard Kyle cry after losses two hundred times. I'm
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: gonna go see what you know McVeigh house to say,
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: and of course he's just like, byeck, I got you know,
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: So I did.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I've been doing work for you, man, and I appreciate that.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: John John Lenshould mention is now with Pro Football Wire
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: at PFB wire. Is that is the h on X
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: and all NFL all the time. I bring that up.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I have seven photos that you sent me and this
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: text the side by side, So yeah, my like my
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: daily power play. Anders had to help me because I'm
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: reading the longest text you've ever sent in your life
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: to somebody.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: That's what's going on.
• 41:08
  Speaker 8: Well, I just look, it's only Tuesday. Yes, I don't
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: have a real job, so I'm not sure what day
• 41:14
  Speaker 8: it is, but but it's Tuesday, and I just sent
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: you everything for the week. You don't even have to work,
• 41:18
  Speaker 8: not that clearly after that pocket thing you just didn't do.
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: You don't work anyway, but I don't. Yeah, I get
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: point all the stuff.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: No, I appreciate it.
• 41:25
  Speaker 8: I just basically sent you all the stuff.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: Look what I get for it, grief. No, No, you
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: didn't do your segment because I sent the information that
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: is very useful for the week. Listen, biggest game in
• 41:35
  Speaker 8: the NFL this week. But that's okay.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Listen, I'm pumping up this thing. I'm pumping up this
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: thing called Pro Football Wire.
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: Like.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you're doing something later. I'm sure you got
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: a YouTube thing on there later at some point. So
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: and and all that work you did was not for me,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: because you just said it. It's the biggest game in
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: the NFL this week, even though even though it didn't
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: get it done it anyway, even though it didn't get
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: flexed to the Sunday night football that might have been
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: actually that might be a protected game. All joking aside,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: that probably was a Fox protected game. I would I
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: would think with l A, the LA Market and Seattle markets, Yeah,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: I would. I would think that's a protect and good
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: guess let's watch that one twenty. I think there's a
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: good is it Lions and who is it?
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Lions? And somebody the Eagles right for Sday night football? Yeah,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: it's a good like, it's a.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Great one tail one Intel eight pm on Sunday is
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: flipping awesome. Now, I say that we should have had
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: a great Monday night game last night, and that thing
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: was the biggest turd I've seen in a long time.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I kind of liked it.
• 42:28
  Speaker 8: Well, but if you have YouTube TV like me, you
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: didn't have to watch it. No, that's good.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: It's Lion's Eagles, Lions, Lions, Eagles first. Well, that is
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: a game. It should be a good game.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: But the Eagles can't like, Yeah, Lane Johnson's hurt, the
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Eagles won't be able to score again. Jalen Hurst, Jalen
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Hurts from Jalen Hurts forgets he's got two elite wide
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: receivers and doesn't want to throw to him. Uh God,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I just I looked at this Pro Football Wire thing
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: on on the X. First thing that pops up is
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: is lund your face is stick sticking right out.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Oh John, your famite, look at you.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Trade deadline winners and losers. Jerry's world. Why you trade
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Kyleer Dunn in Arizona?
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I love it all right, good stuff, Yeah, it's good.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: So you saw that game.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: So first of all, let me get before I get
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: to the Rams and the Seahawks, the forty nine ers.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying this as a Seattle guy to
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: bust your chops and all that, you know, but Niners,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: are they kind of done? Or are they just holding
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: out hopes to sneak in with a wild card?
• 43:29
  Speaker 8: I think last week was the first week in all
• 43:31
  Speaker 8: honesty that it showed all the injuries. They just can't hang.
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: They're not an elite team. They did a nice job.
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: And Mac jo it's not Mac jones fault. It's just
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: defensively And you and I talked about this right at
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: the beginning of the year. I said, Robert Sala had
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: told me their defensive coordinator, that they were gonna that
• 43:46
  Speaker 8: six to eight rookies were going to get significant playing time. Well,
• 43:49
  Speaker 8: then when Bosa goes down and Warner goes down, and
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: Mickel Williams their first round picking a Georgia goes down.
• 43:54
  Speaker 8: Those are all front seven guys. That affects the secondary
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: because they can't get to the quarterback. They're not getting
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: to the quarter at all, which leads to what Stafford
• 44:01
  Speaker 8: is doing, which we'll get into in a minute. And
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: so if you give him all the time in the world,
• 44:04
  Speaker 8: they're gonna put up forty new points on you. So
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: that's what's going on. And like I said after the game,
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: i went down there rather than hear Kyle Shanam, which
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: I've done a million times, I went to hear what
• 44:13
  Speaker 8: your good friend, uh Jean McVay had to say. And essentially,
• 44:17
  Speaker 8: you know, seventy five percent of the press conference was
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: putting all this love on Matthew Stafford. But even at
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: the age of thirty seven, it's warranted because he's in
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: that stage where Brady was in. And I'm not saying
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: he's Brady, but what I'm saying is he's seen everything
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: you can throw at him. So if you're gonna throw
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: a blitz at him, which the nut which as I
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: sent to you and you know already the Seahawks don't do,
• 44:37
  Speaker 8: but neither do the Rams, but he's going to decipher you.
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: So this is gonna be a great chess match because
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: Mike McDonald has been doing such a good job. Even
• 44:44
  Speaker 8: though that the Seahawks have the lowest second lowest blitz
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: right behind Cincinnati in the league. If their back end
• 44:50
  Speaker 8: can hold up, which they can, and then they can
• 44:53
  Speaker 8: time out these blitches. And they did a bunch of
• 44:55
  Speaker 8: overloads last week against the Cardinals. That's gave them a
• 44:57
  Speaker 8: bunch of trouble and somehow confuse the Rams. Then maybe
• 45:01
  Speaker 8: they got a shot against Stafford. But what happened against
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: the forty nine ers was he just sat back there
• 45:06
  Speaker 8: with no pressure and it was boom bom boom, boom boom,
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: because the Niners just don't have the guys in the
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: front seven to put any kind of pressure on Matthew Stafford,
• 45:13
  Speaker 8: and he just picked his poison.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Basically, I think I still think.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just the NFC's wild because we were
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: just talking about this issue with Mike Sandal. I'm sure
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: you know Sandal from the athletic and based out of here.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: He does stuff with us every week, and you know
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: we're going through Philadelphia, Seattle, Detroit and La Rams. I
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: think those four teams are true, true contenders in the NFC.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Tampa Bay lots of injuries. Green Bay. There's something not
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: right there. I don't know what it is. I mean,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: it's just there's something not right a part of his
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: receiving situation. They don't have receivers, and they got bow
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Melton playing corner end receiver. He ain't Travis Hunter, but
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: they had him doing that last night. And then you know, Chicago,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you're six and three, Chicago. Your
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: quarterback couldn't hit the ocean, you know, I mean, couldn't
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: put water in the ocean.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: He's awful, like he's like he is.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Caleb is awful and off script he's fine, like off script,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: he's fine, but off script.
• 46:10
  Speaker 8: You can't make a living that way in the NFL.
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: At some point you gotta be a drop back down.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: At some point you got to actually put your foot
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: in the ground and stick it to guy like Rome
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: or whoever it is. And he doesn't do that, but
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: that's fine. San Francisco I think is going to get in.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: I just I I because listen, it's really gonna between
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: San Francisco, Chicago, and Green Bay for a wildcard spot
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: for two of the three wildcard spots. I think they'll
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: you still have enough offens or to get in and
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: then and then you're gonna be in this situation where
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I was gonna be like, I know they're hurt, but
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I really don't want to see McCaffrey and Purty and
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: maybe I Yuke's back and Kittle at that point, Like
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: that's what's gonna happen, right, Like that's what's gonna happen
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: with San Francisco. But it's also why this game this
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: week is so big with Seattle in LA, because you
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: don't want to be a wildcard team like you may
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: end up going to Tampa or whatever it might be,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: but you don't want to be a wild card team
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: like that's you want to have home field advantage, even
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: if it is so far or maybe Luman's coming back
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: to being what it used to be. But that's why
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: this and I think it's a bigger game because it's
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: at home. John, I'd make the arguments a bigger game
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: for the Rams and it is for Seattle.
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: Well, think about it. The places that you could possibly
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: go now this weekend when they go to LA, that's
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: not an intimidating place to play, and it's the most
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: annoying you and I have talked about it. I mean,
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: if people hate you know Levi's I get it. But
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: so Fi is a million times down the guitar playing
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: girl and the guy yelling our house. It's honestly, it's
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: three quarters the other team. So the irony of this
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: jackass in that in Sofi and a lot of Seahawk
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: fans go down there, know what I'm talking about, who's well,
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: and it's like not yours the other teams. Every time
• 47:52
  Speaker 8: the Niners go down, it's all Niners every time they
• 47:55
  Speaker 8: know insame with the Chargers, even though they don't use
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: that dumb moniker, but it's it's the other team. They
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: don't even fill their own stadium. Maybe they do in
• 48:03
  Speaker 8: the playoffs, so it's typical LA. But but the places
• 48:06
  Speaker 8: you could potentially go if you don't win the division, Philly,
• 48:10
  Speaker 8: Green Bay, places like that, Detroit, which is extremely loud
• 48:15
  Speaker 8: in the playoffs. That's the difference versus and I get
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: it that the Seahawks are really good at home. I'm
• 48:19
  Speaker 8: sure there's someone yelling in their car right now. This
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: jackass is saying, we can't win on the road. They can,
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: but I don't care what the record says and how
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: many they won in a row. It would be a
• 48:28
  Speaker 8: lot nicer if it was at Lumenfield versus Saint Philly,
• 48:31
  Speaker 8: which I've covered playoff games there. It is nasty, and
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: I mean you've been in all those places. Yeah nasty.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Seattle beat Philly and Philly in a playoff game a
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: few years ago, but I remember it. Yeah, but it's
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: when Philly had like no quarterback, like the carcass.
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: They like jumped up and caught that one to see.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, DK set a record for receiving and it was
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: the rodden carcass of Josh McCowan I think ended up
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: being the quarterback Carson. Yeah, in Philly because Carson wentz
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: at my head there.
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: I like.
• 49:02
  Speaker 8: I like Philly.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I like Philly. I like I think it's a blast.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I think it's awesome.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: It was I felt in doctor.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Tell right now, Cleveland's worst. Cleveland's the worst. Cleveland is
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: a worse environment. Yeah, it's it's far worse.
• 49:14
  Speaker 8: Dog pounds. Just enjoy that, you know, right, every is
• 49:19
  Speaker 8: the claim, the claim the fame in Cleveland is because
• 49:23
  Speaker 8: I was at this game. They there was at one point.
• 49:26
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna age myself past my barely twenty one. But
• 49:29
  Speaker 8: the glass there used to be glass bottles with NFL games,
• 49:33
  Speaker 8: you can believe that. And in the Dog Pound they
• 49:35
  Speaker 8: were pissed off and they started throwing beer bottles onto
• 49:38
  Speaker 8: the field and that's when they went plastic at NFL games.
• 49:41
  Speaker 8: Thanks to Cleveland.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you Cleveland.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: Oh that's history.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: That's history.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: John might be right, John Lon joining us. All right,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: So red zone, red zone offense, let's talk about that,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: because you just sent me something interesting there. And this
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: is I think, honestly, when you start talking about games
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: with two teams really close league, you know, hooked up
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: and stuff, I don't look at the the Darnel interceptions
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: are weird because he saw some weird ones this year,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: like when it doesn't matter, like against the Commanders when
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: they're up by forty, you know, and last week you
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: threw just a weird one when they're up big it
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter. But the red zone offense period, who has
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: the advantage Seattle.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Or LA, Well, it's interesting.
• 50:21
  Speaker 8: Both are really good red zone teams, but LA is
• 50:24
  Speaker 8: elite when it comes to the red zone offensively. And
• 50:27
  Speaker 8: then if you look at red zone defense, again, the
• 50:29
  Speaker 8: Rams are second best in red zone than the Seahawks
• 50:33
  Speaker 8: are seventh. I mean again, they're really really but and
• 50:35
  Speaker 8: the Seahawks are really good. So really what it comes
• 50:37
  Speaker 8: down to is both are very efficient offensively. I mean,
• 50:40
  Speaker 8: what's really interesting about the whole thing is they're very
• 50:42
  Speaker 8: very close in all different ways. Pressure rate, you know,
• 50:45
  Speaker 8: it's been famous that the Seahawks don't blitz a lot,
• 50:47
  Speaker 8: neither to the Rams, but yet both teams get home
• 50:50
  Speaker 8: the big key. So you just talk about red zone
• 50:52
  Speaker 8: and third down, which are massive. Third down percentage allowed,
• 50:55
  Speaker 8: the Rams are number two in all of the NFL
• 50:57
  Speaker 8: only thirty three percent. So elite defense when it comes
• 51:00
  Speaker 8: to the Rams in the red zone and on third down,
• 51:03
  Speaker 8: elite offensively are the Seahawks in the red zone as well.
• 51:05
  Speaker 8: So it's going to come down to those two things.
• 51:07
  Speaker 8: One thing that's really interesting in looking at the numbers
• 51:10
  Speaker 8: and not get to get to dorky on this whole thing,
• 51:12
  Speaker 8: is the Rams lead the league in light box. What
• 51:15
  Speaker 8: that means is seven guys in the box, eight not nine.
• 51:19
  Speaker 8: They're not running up the safety. So if you watch
• 51:21
  Speaker 8: them and they do a lot of personnel where they
• 51:23
  Speaker 8: keep three linebackers on the field that unlike Seattle. Seattle's
• 51:26
  Speaker 8: number one in the league. They just keep Nickel out
• 51:28
  Speaker 8: out there all the time, which is good against the Rams.
• 51:31
  Speaker 8: But can the Seahawks, who even though they're not one
• 51:34
  Speaker 8: of the better running teams in the league in three
• 51:36
  Speaker 8: point eight yards per carry, but they're second in the
• 51:38
  Speaker 8: amount of carry. So what that tells you is Kubiak
• 51:40
  Speaker 8: doesn't care. He just continues to run the football regardless
• 51:44
  Speaker 8: if the Seahawks could get that number to say four
• 51:46
  Speaker 8: and a half yards per carry, and the Rams continue
• 51:48
  Speaker 8: to run light box. And what that means also is
• 51:50
  Speaker 8: Matthew Stafford's standing on the sideline. So I know these
• 51:53
  Speaker 8: things are really obvious to talk about. Jesus. The Seahawks
• 51:55
  Speaker 8: can run the football, they'll win the game, thanks genius.
• 51:58
  Speaker 8: But it does so many different things, and the Seahawks
• 52:00
  Speaker 8: will continue to run it regardless of how they run it.
• 52:03
  Speaker 8: But the Rams don't have to blitz the quarterback to
• 52:05
  Speaker 8: get there. And the Rams can use seven and still
• 52:08
  Speaker 8: stop the run. So can the Seahawks take advantage of
• 52:11
  Speaker 8: the team that runs light box most defensively in the league.
• 52:14
  Speaker 8: And that's the Rams.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: The you watched him, and for you able to know
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: John worked in Detroit for a while before moving back
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: out west. You've watched Stafford probably as much as anybody,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: and covered him as much as anybody.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I heard that.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I've heard this talked about, and I just think it's
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I think it's one of those great misnomers out there that, oh,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: you know, Stafford is just a sitting duck. He's a
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: statue back there. And I always think, No, he's not Lamar,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: he's not Mahomes, he's not Caleb, but maybe he's Ben Roethlisberger.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe you could explain it better. I think he's a
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: hard guy to bring down. A.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: He gets through the ball quickly, but B he's big
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: enough and strong enough, and he has those slide steps.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: He does those things.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: It just feels like he's he doesn't get taken down
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: as often as he should for whatever reason.
• 52:59
  Speaker 8: He's he doesn't have great movement skills. But there's a
• 53:02
  Speaker 8: big difference. People get lost in this difference, which is,
• 53:05
  Speaker 8: like you said, movement in the pocket. Again, Brady, especially
• 53:08
  Speaker 8: at the end of his career, he couldn't move, but
• 53:10
  Speaker 8: he could slide in the pocket. And Marino is at
• 53:12
  Speaker 8: the end and at the bad needs, but he could
• 53:13
  Speaker 8: slide in the pocket and then they have a lightning
• 53:15
  Speaker 8: quick release and Stafford still has one of the best,
• 53:18
  Speaker 8: if not the best arm of the league. Josh Allen
• 53:20
  Speaker 8: up there. There's a few other guys, but it's his
• 53:23
  Speaker 8: ability pre snap to say I know where I'm going
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: to go with the football, and a lot of times
• 53:26
  Speaker 8: it's pook and akua that makes it easy. And I
• 53:28
  Speaker 8: think whether Devonte Adams plays is a huge thing, but
• 53:31
  Speaker 8: he knows where he's going with the ball generally before
• 53:33
  Speaker 8: it snaps. So it's going to be interesting what Mike
• 53:36
  Speaker 8: McDonald does because even though they don't blitz a lot.
• 53:38
  Speaker 8: We just saw against Arizona now Ja Kobe Brissett's totally different,
• 53:41
  Speaker 8: but the amount of pressure that they can get if
• 53:43
  Speaker 8: they can get in Stafford's face, he has had games
• 53:47
  Speaker 8: where he gets sacked and there's a ton of pressure
• 53:49
  Speaker 8: on him. He might be the toughest guy in the
• 53:51
  Speaker 8: league just in terms of the way he'll get hit
• 53:53
  Speaker 8: and just keep getting up, keep getting up, keeping that up.
• 53:55
  Speaker 8: You and I talked about it at the beginning of
• 53:56
  Speaker 8: the year with his back hold up, and clearly it
• 53:59
  Speaker 8: is he's not making mistakes, he's not throwing interceptions. They're
• 54:03
  Speaker 8: in terms of, you know, running the football, They're not
• 54:05
  Speaker 8: where the Seahawks are, so it's going to be on
• 54:07
  Speaker 8: his arm. But yeah, it's really difficult to get to him.
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: But the main reason I is he just gets rid
• 54:12
  Speaker 8: of it's so damn fast. He just know what's where
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: he's going with the football. He's seen everything in thirty seven.
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: You're not going to throw something exotic, although I would
• 54:21
  Speaker 8: imagine that Mike McDonald the way he does things, he's
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: probably got a few things in his pocket for this
• 54:25
  Speaker 8: week and if those things hit, then they can have
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: some major success against Stanford.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: By the way, while you were saying that, I just
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: had a bite of a Chris Bean burrito from Taco Time.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Big shout out to our friends at Taco Time final
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: shoved in my face by one Dave softy mar But
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I'll take take that again.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: It was a little bit you need.
• 54:43
  Speaker 8: Are you even one of those rolled up one?
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Those rolls up burritos are so good, they're the best.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: That's absolutely big time. I love you guys, Chrispine be
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: farrito fantastic. Go back to the interception. I look at
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: interception rate too, because I think a lot of people
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: are like, okay, how many times you've been sacked, you know,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: and and all that the sacks per pass attempt to
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: go back to what you said, Stafford fourth in the league,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: which is fourth best, like four point five percent of
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: time he sacked, and number two in the league is
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Donald at four point three. Those guys neither one of
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: them get sacked, which is wild because I just wasn't
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: that long ago we had a short, little diminutive quarterback
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: here that complained about getting hit all the time with
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: by the way, when he did that, we had the
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: same two tackles and Lucas and cross but I'll move that,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: leave that there the but yeah, but tho. So both
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: those guys get rid of the ball. The interception rate
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: is the one that just jumps off the page. Stafford
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: zero point six four percent, third best in the league,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: third best in the league. Hurts his number one, but
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: that's because he's checked down Charlie and barely throws and
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Baker may and Baker Mayfield's number two, but they're actually
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: tied Stafford, and for some reason they'd rank him. They're
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: both zero point six four Stafford just kiss for the
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: ball Donald twenty ninth three percent of the time. Now
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: again I'll go back, not all interceptions are created the same.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Like I like, he threw two passes the other day
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: in the second half. Two, So the race goes up
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: higher because they've blown teams out and he has had
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: to throw the ball as much. But I think that
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: is better mentioning Staffords. Go back to what you said,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: Stafford doesn't make mistakes period, end of story.
• 56:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, look, I get it with Darnold. It's some of
• 56:19
  Speaker 8: these have been kind of you know, even last week,
• 56:21
  Speaker 8: like Arizona was briefly we're not even really back in
• 56:23
  Speaker 8: the game. But like the Tampa game for example, obviously
• 56:25
  Speaker 8: that cost him game as great at the game as
• 56:27
  Speaker 8: he played. All I'm simply saying is, and this is
• 56:30
  Speaker 8: again an obvious thing, but turnover margin is massive in
• 56:33
  Speaker 8: this game. The Rams are plus seven on the in
• 56:35
  Speaker 8: the year. Around the year, the Seahawks are minus four. However,
• 56:37
  Speaker 8: we spin it. That's the fact, and we know what
• 56:39
  Speaker 8: the percentage are when teams win the turnover battle, especially
• 56:42
  Speaker 8: by more than one. The big number here, too is
• 56:45
  Speaker 8: the rams that were covered in NFL High eight fumbles,
• 56:48
  Speaker 8: so everybody's raking at the ball. Now, you know the quarterback.
• 56:51
  Speaker 8: Every time a guy gets hit, okay, one guy hold
• 56:54
  Speaker 8: him up, one guy rip it out. We've seen what
• 56:56
  Speaker 8: kind of differences that makes in the game. So yeah,
• 56:58
  Speaker 8: look again, an obvious thing is the turnover margin is
• 57:01
  Speaker 8: going to be huge because the Rams have been on
• 57:03
  Speaker 8: the good side of it, especially the covering fumbles, and
• 57:05
  Speaker 8: the Seahawks not as much. But I agree with you,
• 57:08
  Speaker 8: there's been some issues with Donald but again, he's s
• 57:10
  Speaker 8: fumbled the ball, he's been loose in the pocket with
• 57:11
  Speaker 8: the ball. That they know that, and you know how
• 57:14
  Speaker 8: that will works. These guys work on an all week long.
• 57:17
  Speaker 8: If you have a turnover issue and Dnald kind of
• 57:19
  Speaker 8: does then as great as he's played this year, then
• 57:21
  Speaker 8: that's what they're going to focus on. And that can
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: change games very, very simply. So that's the big thing
• 57:26
  Speaker 8: to me. The other big thing that nobody's really talking
• 57:28
  Speaker 8: about in this game. And I know it's kind of dorky,
• 57:30
  Speaker 8: but the Rams Joshua Cardy their kicker out of Stanford, yeh,
• 57:34
  Speaker 8: he's no longer and they've got this guy, the thicker kicker,
• 57:37
  Speaker 8: and he had six extra points last week in San Francisco.
• 57:40
  Speaker 8: Believe me, I watched them all, but he didn't attempt
• 57:43
  Speaker 8: the field goal. He's got two field goal attempts in
• 57:45
  Speaker 8: his entire NFL career. So I believe you know this
• 57:47
  Speaker 8: is going to be a close game down there in
• 57:49
  Speaker 8: LA when it comes down to it, Is it going
• 57:51
  Speaker 8: to be Jason Myers, the thicker kicker. I realize they're
• 57:53
  Speaker 8: inside its ideal conditions. It should be fine. But a
• 57:57
  Speaker 8: guy who's never made a field goal yet had six
• 57:59
  Speaker 8: extra points last week, and as bad as Carty was,
• 58:01
  Speaker 8: they had no choice. Kind of like Jake Moody here
• 58:03
  Speaker 8: in San Francisco earlier in the year, you just had
• 58:05
  Speaker 8: to make a choice. Now, Eddie Pinero has been amazing
• 58:07
  Speaker 8: for the forty nine ers, But what is this kid
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  Speaker 6: I have very good conversations with my father about that,
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  Speaker 11: Shockey and I both had a line together. We may
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  Speaker 11: have lost weight, but we are still very capable of
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 11: eating a crap load of food. Six or seven Chris
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  Speaker 11: beyf burritos. At some point they just start to burn. Man,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 11: that's the problem. Shocky right, Shaky did the Oh yes right,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 11: yes he did, Yes he did.
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  Speaker 1: Disgusting. I don't know if he wanted or not.
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  Speaker 3: Man, I feel like he did. I think I was
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: working across the street now, I just know what you
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: want one of your guys to win. I don't know
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: who was in it.
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  Speaker 11: The guys that win those contests, it's like their mouths
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 11: are like wood shippers, and they.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how to do it, man, I have
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: no idea how they do it. I like the idea
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: of crispy beef for Britles. Is it beef for bean
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  Speaker 2: with beef?
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  Speaker 7: We're going beef.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, you're in. You want to take part, You're in.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: I'm full after having one. We'll find out, man, what
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: do you got today?
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  Speaker 7: What's today? Tuesday? Husky Hanks will be here.
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  Speaker 11: Brian Schmitzer, oh God, coming off the loss on Sunday
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 11: or Saturday, excuse me, he'll be here. We're gonna hear
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 11: from Oh Jesus, you know what, I'll tell him, you
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 11: said that when he comes on today and then 'let
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 11: just kick him in the nuts. Well, I'm mat it.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 11: We're gonna hear from Demon Williams as well and John Wilner,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 11: who will join us at five o'clock tonight.
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  Speaker 7: All right, see you, buddy, good talk. See you for
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  Speaker 7: the mild mannered and marginally objectionable in forness. This is
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  Speaker 7: paddle Day saying so long everyone,