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Ep. 15 Who We Are: A Proper Introduction · The Group Chat

• CDUB: and what? We Paulina: The group chat. CDUB: are the group chat. Alright, buddy. Everybody get in here. Get in here. One, two, three, group chat. Hey, what's up everybody? I'm Carson. Paulina: I'm Paulina. Brandon: And I'm Brandon. CDUB: Welcome to the group chat. Hope y'all are doing very well. Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: Yep. That's good. CDUB: What's good? What's good? Paulina, how them ghosts? Paulina: So far so good. We don't Brandon: Ha ha ha. Paulina: got any so far. Well, maybe the the old one is still somewhere lingering around, but hasn't been Brandon: Old one. Paulina: haunting me for now. So we're all good. CDUB: Let's you know, for the record you said you don't do drugs. So this is just yeah, it's just for the listeners like she actually saw Paulina: Yeah, yeah, no. CDUB: something. She saw I saw something. Paulina: It's yeah. Brandon: Sinted. CDUB: Yeah. Paulina: What about you guys? How's it going? Carson, you're back from from the States, back in the same old room? CDUB: Yeah. Yeah, I'm finally over the jet lag, so back on the back to Lanzarote on the island. I'm on island time where Paulina: Islands where it lives. CDUB: I live. Brandon: Back on schedule. CDUB: That's right. Paulina: man. CDUB: What's good with y'all? Paulina: Brendan? Brandon: Still hot. Just here sweating as usual. But all good. Paulina: Yeah. CDUB: Can't be a Paulina: Trying to survive this heat, right? man. CDUB: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Brandon: Spanish heat is rough. Paulina: Yeah. Yeah. CDUB: Y'all gotta move to the Canaries. It doesn't I don't it could be like thirty three. That's like the highest I think I've seen it here. Maybe thirty five. Last summer we had a f really few a few really hot days. in in general it's thirty is the high. Today I don't think it thirty, thirty two. It's all good. Come on over. Brandon: What about what about humidity? CDUB: Depending on w depending on where you are on the island, there could be more or less humidity. Where we live, it doesn't typically get above sixty percent, sixty five percent. but it's probably closer to low fifties. In the summer, yeah, it feels like there's a bit more humidity. But it's not bad. No, it's quite comfortable. The wind is the thing here. Here you just gotta Brandon: Right, yeah. CDUB: like it we Paulina: Yeah. CDUB: on our street, we're like, No way is it gonna be nice at the beach today. But we went to the beach, we found a nice cala, nice cove. And protected. The water was perfectly clear, not a lot of wind, could even put an umbrella in the sand. It was great. No complaints. Brandon: today's today's windy. We got yellow flags at the beach. CDUB: yellow flags is just be careful. Like you can still get in the water or you can only go up to your waist or Brandon: Yeah, of course, yeah. No, you can get in the water. I I don't think you're gonna have like any type of like floats or anything like that. You can't have any of the boards, but you can just be in the water. CDUB: Okay. Okay. Yeah, I know one time they yelled at me, it must have been a red flag, I think. Because I went in past my knees. Brandon: Yeah, Reggie, take it in. CDUB: Yeah, well. Other people were in, maybe that's why they weren't Brandon: Yeah. CDUB: too pissed off, but so well today the main topic is introductions, so our listeners, our viewers could get to know us a little bit better. We did record Paulina: As it CDUB: one, but it just didn't turn out the way we wanted to, so we're gonna give it another shot. Paulina: It was a bit shitty. I tried to edit that Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: one, but it was. CDUB: It was rough It was one of our first it might have been our first episode, wasn't it? Could have been our first. Paulina: Think so. Brandon: I think it was I think it was our second. Paulina: First or second, yeah, I think the f that funny CDUB: Okay. Paulina: was the first CDUB: yeah. Paulina: and then we went and we're like, Let's do an intro and Brandon: It was different. CDUB: Yeah. Brandon: We'll leave it at that. Paulina: Dude. CDUB: I think, you know, we're our own worst critics. Brandon: And try to be positive. CDUB: We we are very critical of ourselves, of course, you know, hearing ourselves speak for long periods of time. And that's what it was. I think it was just kind of like I have the mic and I'm gonna speak for ten minutes now and listen to me. And it's gonna sound interesting. My life is special. I Brandon: Okay. CDUB: mean, all of your lives are special. They are, they Paulina: But CDUB: are, but still it's I don't know for podcasting, it's you know. But anyways. before we get into all that, we are we took some questions from our listeners and one of them really stood out. And so Simone asks, When and why did you decide to start a podcast? So I guess I'll start this off and y'all chime in. Give my version, Brandon: Yeah. You give your version first. Paulina: Yeah. CDUB: right? See what we all remember. So, gosh, when was this, Brandon? That we we had our first conversation is February probably. Brandon: Yeah, I've it was after Christmas, so yeah, it's probably maybe January, end of January, beginning of February. CDUB: Okay. Right, so I can just kind of give you guys a recap of what was going on in my mind and the and in the world when I this idea came up and it wasn't just my idea, but this idea came up in my mind, I guess, because of all the cancel culture, because of this, you know, the the threat of the existential threat threat of freedom of speech and how I was really seeing this this push for canceling people who who would say things that, you know, the the elite didn't agree with. This has been happening, of course, more and more over the last decades. I mean, really social media has become this superficial media where, you know, you're just pushing what works, you're pushing what gets hit, what's viral, what people like to hear. It's not necessarily the truth or the full story. It's not real. It's it's lacking substance. So That combined with wanting to fall in or falling more in love with the the spoken word, my love for stand-up comedy, just saying it how it is, not being afraid of what people think, you know, appreciating the the beauty in life, the the humor of life, just keeping it real more than anything. So I remember having a conversation with Brandon. I'm like, I I have this creative need. I have I need to express myself creatively. I don't know how. Maybe podcasting, like I've always loved podcasts, always thought it was such a great medium. And then Brandon, we were we were chatting one day and I was like, I don't know, maybe just throw this out there. I don't know what you think. If you would be down to maybe do a podcast. I haven't decided if I want to do it. It's just maybe. And Brandon, you said something to me that it was just like kinda clicked at that point. It was, well, yeah, that's cool, but it's something I would never be able to do on my own. And I was like, Well, why don't we do this together? So, Brandon, take it away. Paulina: Okay. Brandon: So the first I wanna also say that you actually called me like an actual phone call. It's like we weren't like, WhatsApp or anything like that. Yeah. Paulina: God. CDUB: we spoke. Brandon: And I saw it's like, what's wrong? Like something something happened in Carson or and he was like, No, let's do it, let's just talk. Paulina: cars ran into a car accident or something. Brandon: And from that, well we got into that. Exactly. CDUB: That's what it's come to. That's what it's come to nowadays. Somebody calls you, you're like, my god, what could it be? Paulina: There they're dying. CDUB: Just what's up, man? How you doing? Brandon: Yeah, and so I don't know, that was actually pretty cool to receive a phone call that wasn't someone's dying or bad news or anything like that. But anyway, so yeah, you hit me up and we were talking and it's actually something that I was thinking about also, and like you said, like it was something I would never do by myself because I'm the most camera shot person in the world. And then I don't know, the conversation went going back and forth, they just like, Well, let's go for it, let's do it together, let's give it a shot, see what happens and Then you hit me up with news about Miss Paulina. CDUB: Yeah, so I all right, yep. So I was getting yeah, we were starting to figure out what are we gonna talk about? We were t okay, so we're expats, we've got that in common. And at some point I I was sending I think audios to Paulina after work one day and and she responded immediately. She called me a biter, like, explain that, you New Yorker. I think I was a biter because Paulina okay, everybody, Paulina had her own podcast. Paulina: Yeah, but that Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: was a that was a long time ago. So to sort of trace back why I called Carson a biter and what a biter is. Biter is a person CDUB: Yeah. Paulina: sort of like a copycat. So they copy what like copy your idea. I'm obviously it was it was in a joking manner, you know, but I had my own podcast before. Yeah, yeah, jokingly. No, I had I had my own podcast before, and I was doing that alone. And they There was a point that I was just like, I don't I didn't feel it. When you do everything by yourself, all the editing, all the reels, all the posts for Instagram, on top of actual working and everything else that happens in life, it just becomes very difficult and you start to lose the motivation of like, why am I doing this? And that podcast was also similar to what we're doing now, where it like talking about a little bit about expat life, how I decided to live in Spain, just everything sort of together. Some some things that are happening in the news. and when Carson told me, That who's like, well, I'm thinking about starting a podcast with Brandon. I I th I think you sent me actually a voice note as well, as you said. I was like, hmm. Because I'm pretty sure I also shared with you before that I wanted to start podcasting again. I'm not a researcher, CDUB: I don't recall. Paulina: but I was thinking of doing another podcast and I was looking for a person to do a podcast with me for creative. aspects. So for like creative writing, author, CDUB: okay, now rings a bell. Paulina: authors, musicians, and so on. So to have like CDUB: Mm-hmm. Paulina: a space for creativity and talk about different books, different type of music and whatever. but people are not willing to hop on that bandwagon. They're like, mmm, not my type of thing, or I don't have enough time, or I'm starting, I don't know, a master's degree or whatever the type of thing. Understandable. I didn't want to do it on my own because I knew what I would need to do if I did that on my own. And I just didn't have the the time and energy to do something on my own. and then I proceeded to call you a biter. and then from there I was like, okay guys, so what is the plan? And I've like from that moment I was like, I don't know if Brandon would like for me to be a part of this. because I know you CDUB: yeah yeah yeah. Yep. Well it's like Brandon: Ha ha ha CDUB: I told you immediately I was like he's gonna be cool with it. Of course he's Paulina: Yeah, I know. But it's it's the thing Brandon: I say. Paulina: that yeah, you guys were CDUB: Ha ha ha. Paulina: much closer, right? I feel like you and Brandon were always much Brandon: That doesn't matter. Paulina: closer. Like at work we always kept a like professional of course, like we went out for lunch together, we went to Mickey D Yes. We went to Mickey D's Brandon: Hey, we went to McDonald's. CDUB: That's right. Paulina: and everything, fine, but I always felt like Carson and I had like a you know, like bond, but then like Carson and and Brandon also had their little vibe. CDUB: It's understandable. Brandon: Carson brought it all together. Paulina: And exactly. And that's when I asked I was like, Carson, I don't know if Brandon would be cool with me joining this. I don't know what type of direction you guys want to go with this. because first you were brainstorming into this idea of like maybe getting more into like economics and I don't know, fitness and mixture of different things. I was like, I don't know. CDUB: There are a lot of ideas going around. Paulina: I don't know would fit into this. I have zero knowledge about sports and zero knowledge about economics. So but here we are. CDUB: Yeah. But you're right. Yeah, you're right. Brandon: Exactly. CDUB: That's cool. That's cool. No, we we did decide on places where we have common ground where we also have I mean, like like all of you, like everybody listening, you have interest in what's going on in the world around you. You know, whether it's your your situation in our in our case it's being expats of Spain, we have that in common. So we have a a unique perspective on how we see the world after having lived abroad, having learned another language, adapted to the culture. 99%, because I don't know if that's ever gonna be a hundred percent. But Brandon: Never. It's never. CDUB: but that plus the politics of the world is crazy. The older you get, the wiser you become, the more you see what's going on, and you're just like, Are you you just wanna ask the person next to you, like, do you are you seeing this? Like, are you it can you believe that this is actually those words came out of his or her mouth? Like this policy is in effect. And then of course pop culture, you can't forget about that. That's a huge aspect too. I mean, we're you know, movies have changed, music has changed, movies. we just watched a movie last night, for example, two thousand three or two thousand five. It's just you couldn't make movies now like you did back then. And that's not even that long ago, but just the whole politically correct, everybody's so sensitive, walking on eggshells, fear of being canceled. So these are the things we talk about, these are the things we agree that we think are worth discussing and trying to build that community around. Having real conversations, not being afraid of being canceled. Like who's gonna cancel us? You can try it. Good luck with that. Paulina: Tomorrow we Brandon: Okay. Paulina: get we got a letter in our, you know, in our mailbox. Like, you guys have been cancelled. CDUB: I mean, we'll find another way. Like we'll be the cock cockroaches Paulina: We'll make another podcast. CDUB: of podcast. We'll keep coming back, man. Brandon: I I have to say that I listen to a lot of podcasts and almost everything or might be fair to say that everything that we've covered, like the large podcasts have to cover those same topics. So it's like we're just talking about random stuff that we like and it's like just the three of us. Like we talk about CDUB: Right. No. Brandon: things that are relevant to to the world that's happening around us. CDUB: Good point. It's always good to have Paulina: We're just human. CDUB: more people talking about it though. Not just Paulina: Down. CDUB: those influencers who have millions and millions of subscribers, you know. Cause at some Paulina: Yeah. CDUB: point you get, you know, you get influence. The influencers get influenced too. we're try yeah, you know, we're trying to keep it real with you. You know, we're not we're not sponsored Brandon: Yeah. By money. Yeah. CDUB: or anything. Nobody's telling us what to say. No Paulina: Yeah. CDUB: matter how big we get, we're we're gonna be that way. Paulina: Yeah. And yeah, and it started all in I would say it was February, I think, when Carson star started sending me those messages and then from there, brainstorming the name, brainstorming of what we want to do. my god. Well we we got into we got into it with the CDUB: That that was fun. man, we're like, Brandon: That was a task. CDUB: why would you think of that name? Are you serious right now? Paulina: Stupid. That doesn't describe me at all. CDUB: I'm like, and she's like, Are you serious? And Brenda's like, Would you two just get along? Paulina: Like children. It's like my God. Brandon: It but it worked out. CDUB: I did. I did. Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: And we settled on a name that fits us and what we're doing. CDUB: Yeah. Paulina: No. CDUB: And here we are. Paulina: Here we are. The group chat. CDUB: Now and what? We are the group chat. Alright, buddy. Everybody get in here. Get in here. One, two, three, group chat. Brandon: Let's go. It's like I Captain Planet. Paulina: Mm. CDUB: Alright, cheesy moments. I see we are. We're Brandon: that's who we are. It's what we do. CDUB: pro we're proud of our podcast. We're we're happy to be here. And it's fun and and also it keeps us in touch with each other. It's another reason to face to face, Paulina: For sure. CDUB: well, albeit through a screen. Because I again I'm in Lan Sarote and you you Brandon: If if if someone didn't know. Paulina: For those of you who don't know, now CDUB: You know Paulina: you know. CDUB: who you are. Nobody's getting thrown under the bus. It's all in good fun. Paulina: no man. CDUB: But yes, so intros. Who wants to start? Sixty seconds, everything you got, boom, boom. Paulina: Person, take it away. You had a good one before. Brandon: Mm-hmm. CDUB: No no no why Okay. Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: No you love it. You know you wanted this. Like yeah, okay, fine. CDUB: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, what I said was. So, I'm Carson. You already knew that. I'm from the United States of America, Atlanta, Georgia, to be precise. I moved to Salt Lake City before moving to Spain. I was in Salt Lake City, Utah for four years. This was a s after I graduated high school. I met a Spanish woman who brought me to Spain back in Twenty nineteen. Twenty nineteen came to Spain, started working as a English teacher. Go figure. What options did I have? Not knowing any Spanish. before that I worked as a P not a PE teacher, no. I worked as a a personal trainer. I studied exercise science. Fast forward now transitioning from education, teaching English. PE teaching all that to IT cybersecurity. It's a process, a long story, but I'm here on an island. I'm very grateful to be here. It's unique. I miss my friends, Brandon and Paulina, to name a few. but life is good and the show must go on. So who's next? Paulina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brandon: Go ahead, Paulina. Are you wanting me to go? Okay, I'll continue. All right, so I'm Brandon. I'm from Knoxville, Tennessee. went to school, went to University at Tennessee Tech, study world cultures and business, which is basically just international business in Spanish. And while I was studying, I had to study abroad. So I studied abroad in Spain. Came here, I studied in Valencia, loved it, figured out how can I come back. So I got a job teaching English. It's like I'm gonna do that for two years, then go back to the US. In my second year, I met my wife and I've been here since, which has been fifteen years ago. CDUB: You've been here fifteen years, I've been here seven years. Brandon: No, no, I've been here I've been with with Nurdius for fifteen years, but I've been in in Spain for a total of eighteen. So yeah, between the t between the two years working and and studying, yeah, it's about three years. And that's it. So I've been here, just doing the same thing as Carson, teaching English, working in academies, working in schools, the school I'm at now, I've been there this upcoming year will be my tenth year teaching business, economics, finance. That's it. I don't know, just living a life here in Spain. Expat life. CDUB: Yeah, yeah. Paulina: All right. CDUB: Nice. Paulina: Sounds good. All right. Those of you who don't know, now you know my name is Paulina. Hi. I'm the youngest one of the group. I have to say that, yes, because I'm still the youngest one. I I was born in Poland, but at a very young age of nine I moved to to Brooklyn, those of you who don't know. Brooklyn Repin always. I grew up in Brandon: BK Paulina: Sorry? Yeah. CDUB: Not Burger King. Paulina: I grew up in in Brooklyn pretty much all my life. I moved to Queens later on. However, in my heart I'm still a Brooklyn girl. I study in the United States, I studied French and anthropology. eventually I moved back to Poland, I think when I was about twenty two or twenty-three. and then I decided that I will study English philology. So I went into that. I did my master's degree in Poland. And then I met my partner. Well, I met my partner before that. I met my partner. I was sort of going back and forth between Poland and Spain, coming here every other month, every few months. and that was sort of the best option for for us since my partner was working here. I didn't have a full time job in Poland. I was working part time studying. So I've decided to actually just pack my bags after I finish my degree and move to Spain and here I am with with my fiance and and two cats living my life in Spain. Yeah. CDUB: Raise a cat lady. Brandon: And two ghosts. Paulina: Yeah. Yeah. And CDUB: Two goes. Paulina: two ghosts, exactly. So CDUB: What what would it take, if anything, for would it take for you to move back maybe to the US or Poland into Poland if you ever thought about it? Do you ever think about it? Do either of you ever think about that? Paulina: Yes sometimes I think about it. but it's not something that I would really, really, really consider it. And not to move back at least forever. it would be like, I don't know, to go live there again for I don't know, a year or two max and come back to Spain. definitely a high-paying, a well-paying job. CDUB: Mm. Paulina: Like if my partner got like a really good job offer mm in the United States or in Poland, then I don't see why not to go and work there for a couple of years. No, CDUB: Why's a man gotta work? What about you? You gonna work? What's up? Paulina: I work as well. I mean I I work I have my own business now. so for me it's not really a big deal, you know. Like I can work from from Poland, I can work from the States or wherever. So for me it's not really that big of a deal. to just get up and move. but it's more about also him having a job wherever we go. So yeah. Something like that. But CDUB: True. Takes takes two. Paulina: I feel I feel quite comfortable anywhere I go really. Like I've moved around so much in my life that for me it's not a big deal just to once again pack my bags and just move. Brandon: I don't see myself going by. Obviously, as Paulina said, like if money talks, something comes up a possibility, yes, for maybe a year or two, maybe three, something like that. But once you've been here, you get used to this life. It's the lifestyle, the culture, the speed of life, everything. It's difficult to to make that change. Maybe if there was CDUB: Mm-hmm. Brandon: maybe another Mediterranean climate around here, maybe, I don't know, but honestly, like we're happy here, like there's no need to go anywhere else, I don't believe, to live. CDUB: Yeah. Well I guess I better answer that question too. Paulina: Yeah. Works. CDUB: It's tough. But I will say that when I go back to visit, I I do long to come back to home being here in Spain. I I could live there, kinda like what Paulina said. I'm I'm happy to be in different places. Every i it's kind of like the the perfect place doesn't exist, or you can have the mindset of the perfect place is everywhere. you can find the good and the bad anywhere you go and there's always gonna be advantages and disadvantages. So I think it would be hard for me to go back. I would adapt obviously, but I don't really want to. Not at least not at this point in my life. I I like it here and But trying to build a future here in terms of you know, financially being more capable. Really that's that's the only thing. Like Paulina: Exactly. CDUB: you know, it is harder to like to to find jobs. I mean jobs are definitely it's the economy's quite different, but the the quality of life and the pace of life, like Brandon said. Very, very nice here, very different from the US. of course there's always gonna be things I miss when I go and visit, man, there's things I love and I'm like what you you have this year? It's almost like I get to discover these these things for the first time. every year or two or twice a year that I go. But Spain is great. It's especially when you have people. I don't know if I were single if I would still be here. But I'm not single, so can't Brandon: Exactly. That's another thing we Paulina: okay. Sorry, Brennan, go ahead. Brandon: No, I just gonna say that's another thing. We all have Spanish spouses or partners, so I think we're gonna be here for a while. CDUB: Yeah. But we're happy here, yeah. I mean the first couple of years. No, go ahead. No, I I Paulina: But what I I keep I keep I'm trying to ask. No, no, no, go ahead go ahead, Carson. My question can wait. CDUB: I forgot already. I totally forgot what I was gonna say. Paulina: I was gonna ask, what do you guys miss about home? Like obviously family and friends, you know, aside. like something that you guys miss from the States or Brandon: I miss having four seasons. It's something Paulina: Thank you. Brandon: that we don't have here in Murcia. Murcia we have summer and winter. And that's it. And so that's one of the things that I actually do miss. Like 'cause for me, spring is the best, my favorite time of the year. Falls up there also, but having that the change of the seasons and just I don't know. Something you don't realize you That you really like it until you don't have it. CDUB: I get that. Utah's very much four seasons. Very much has four seasons. Although the winter is longer than a lot of people would like. My brother's getting a bit tired of it. He's been tired of it for years, but so I can relate to that too. For me, it's something I realize almost every time I go. It's just how weird it is to hear everybody speaking English when I go to the United States. But then in the end it's it is something I really miss because I never miss anything. I always hear every bit of what I need to hear. There's no like I'm tired, so I didn't really get what they said. You know, you don't your brain doesn't have to do that extra work, which I mean, I've been here seven years, so it's like I'm pretty much just passively listening and getting most of what I hear, but there are times, you know, if there's an accent, if I'm really tired, if there's a lot of people, I'm not getting every little bit of everything that people are saying, especially, you know, in a group setting where I'm having to make decisions contribute to the group conversation, blah, blah, blah. It could be a little taxing. you know, cognitively. So that that's something I do miss. It's just having the ease of language and communication. And and as opposed to constantly being like, Well, how's my energy today? We'll see how this goes. Not that, you know, I don't find myself completely lost. But there is a bit of like, did I respond the right way to that? Whatever? Anyways. Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: You get that. CDUB: Brandon, I know if that happens to you anymore. I mean you're Brandon: No, it still does. CDUB: doesn't Brandon: Yeah, it still it happens. I mean, for me, like one of the worst things is being so say you're out with friends or something, you're in a in a restaurant and it's really loud. It's one of the places where everyone's speaking is just loud, it's just noisy. I can't if I can't concentrate it here, well I just I just like go out. I forget it. I can't I can't do anything because it's that diff it's that difficult. CDUB: Yeah. Yeah, it's like you just you just you just shut it out. You just at some point it's just gotta be like, There's Brandon: Yeah, it was like CDUB: a noise and I'm not entering it. I'm not I'm not going Paulina: Yeah. CDUB: Paulina, you have that experience too? Paulina: I I I get that, yeah. And you know, I think I I also moved here in two no, I moved here in two thousand twenty twenty one, I think. Yeah. So for me I've been living here shorter than than both of you guys, but CDUB: By little. Paulina: yeah, but it's still I still obviously experience that. Like for me when I go out with my friends and you know, when you go out with your friends it's never a group of friends that is, you know, like four people. No, it's like Ten people at a big table and everyone has CDUB: huh. Paulina: having their own little side conversations and you're like, I don't know which conversation I should enter. I don't know which convers like who am I supposed to be talking to? CDUB: Yeah. Paulina: and you because you, you know, you don't see them in a long time, so you try to have a conversation with everybody. And at one point you just sort of just you just go blank and you just You like shut off because you're like it's so overwhelming. Brandon: Game over. Paulina: A lot of noise. People are drinking, people are talking about bullshit, whatever, and you're like, I I can't. My brain just doesn't doesn't brain anymore. CDUB: Yeah. Yeah, the overstimulation is real. That's true. But Paulina: But so yeah, I I get that. I d I definitely miss that aspect of, you know, just speaking English and just hearing English all the time. not to say that I don't enjoy like the Spanish language or whatever, but sometimes it can be just quite like like a bit overwhelming. Also Spanish people are quite loud, so sometimes it can be a bit overwhelming. But also draining, just like sometimes it just drains your energy. that you have to sort of go out of your way. I'm quite lucky that the majority of my friends here speak English. So I can speak English to them and they respond to me in Spanish. But still like I sometimes I want to make different. I want to, you know, speak to them in Spanish. And the moment I start to think about what I want to say and it It's difficult. CDUB: For sure. For sure. Paulina: The one thing I missed the most, flaming hot Cheetos. CDUB: You can't find here, can you? Paulina: No, I f I found them I think in Madrid in like little weird shops that were quite questionable. but in New York you go into any store and it's like you go to a bodega and you can get flaming hot Cheetos, Takis, whatever you want. Like Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: I miss those. CDUB: That's true. That's true. Brandon: I'm sure they're here somewhere, you just gotta keep looking. They have to be Paulina: N Brandon: here. Paulina: no, no of course, somewhere, but I haven't found a place yet. Brandon: Yeah. CDUB: Yeah. Brandon: They're not gonna be a Mercadona. CDUB: I d I just imagine like a flaming Brandon: Okay. CDUB: hot Cheeto boss. He's just like he's got flaming hot Cheetos everywhere. His bed is made of it, his chairs are made of it. It's just like Paulina: Mm-hmm. CDUB: I know I know what you're thinking, Carson. What? Trust me, there's a guy who knows a guy. He's got a flaming hot Cheetos. Brandon: All right. I have a question. Well actually no, it's more of a comment than a question for you. But like when I go back to the US, like I feel like a visitor. CDUB: Yes. Brandon: But at the same time I'm a visitor, but I obviously I I understand the language like you were talking about before. Like I know where I'm going. Like I know the bearings. I have the bearings for everything. But I feel like a visitor. And it's it's a very strange feeling that every time I go, it's like that. And then like when people ask me like, Where are you from? Well, my response is Spain. And I'm like, No, I'm actually from here. Like I I live my house is over there. Like I lived here, but it's like Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: this weird thing that happens every time I go back and I don't know. Do you all go through that do you have that experience as well or? CDUB: Yeah. The fe the n specifically like a visitor, I guess it makes sense by definition. It feels like you're not home or not at your home, but you you feel at home, like you're comfortable, but you don't quite feel like you're at home. So yeah, I can relate. Yeah. Paulina, you went to New York recently. Did how did you feel being there? Paulina: Well, a bit strange honestly, because it was my first time in like, I don't know, seven years or eight years. and it was weird because obviously I felt like I was home because I grew up there and all my friends were there and like I have family there, so it felt like very familiar. But at the same time, it changed so much. Like the old neighborhoods, I mean, seven years, eight years of time, it's like the neighborhoods will change drastically. and my experience was that I was walking down these streets, you know, in somewhere in downtown Manhattan, and I'm like This is weird. I don't I don't know where I am. Hold on. Let me check Google Maps. I ha I literally had to check maps because I was getting confused because I don't know, that old shop where they sold pants is no longer there. Right? And that was like a spot that was like, I always remember that there was a jumba juice or there was this store or whatever. And it was no longer there. And I'm like, hold on, wait. Where the hell are we? so it was just more of like That idea that I felt like out of place sometimes, but at the same time, I felt like I was home. Like the people, the vibe, and everything, I was like, this is very familiar. This is very normal, you know. You have a weird person on the train screaming, you just don't make eye contact. Like, that's it. We just keep walking, you know. Like I knew all the rules of like New York, but at the same time, I'm like, I felt like walking around like a little tourist, you know? and in Poland I have a similar similar thing that when I go to Poland, I visit my family house and I know where things are more or less. But then when people say, yeah, she lives on blah blah blah stream, I'm like, wait, what? I have no clue where that is. Like that sounds so weird. Like where? And they would tell me, CDUB: They say like you're supposed to know. Paulina: yeah. And it's like, you know, the old factory that is on b I'm like, old fa yeah, I know where the old factory, but and it's like it's like a blur, you know, or like, in the next town over in whatever, they have this new restaurant. I'm like, that's the next town over? Like, it feels so weird that you technically grew up in this place that you you should know where things are, but since you don't live there and you don't go often enough. you start to feel like you're not part of the of that little community anymore. CDUB: For sure. I always get the the whole well like either my somebody I'm with, my mom or my brother or my friend, mentions to you know, a third party. I'll say a third party, it could be like an acquaintan an acquaintance or whatever. Somebody at a restaurant. he's from Spain, or or not from Spain, like Brandon, now you're now you're in my head. He lives in Spain and that's okay. Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: Sorry. CDUB: But but then it becomes like that feeling, that kind of like not from there, but like That's my whole identity now. It's this whole, okay. so you're visiting from Spain. And then everybody's eyes light up. Like they just want to know more. Like, whoa, what is it like? What's different? And I just like, everything. Like I don't know how to go about it. Yeah. It just like, okay, give me give me one specific thing and I'll tell you how it is there. Cause little by little you realize, yeah, mostly everything is quite different. You know, of course people are people, they need, you know, to socialise, they need to go out and everybody needs to eat and people like going to the beach and blah blah blah. But you know, the way you do things the way we do things is different. but Paulina: Do you guys ever feel like you have to change your persona when you go to the States a little bit? Like that you're more like bubbly here. Maybe you're like more open or whatever. And then like when you go to the States, maybe you ha you try I don't know if you guys try to fit in a little bit more or you do things that you catch yourself like, maybe in Spain I wouldn't normally do this, or in Spain we would do it this way. Brandon: You have to adapt. But I think I don't know. I think actually probably in the US probably more sociable there than I am here. Like we're just like random people. Like a lot of times like we'll be walking around like wherever we're at and I'll just start talking to someone or someone like asks how's your day or you hold a door for and they just start having a conversation and we're just like, You know then? I'm like, no. Like they were just walking by. It's like that's it. Like that's just how it is. And I don't think that really happens much here. It's definitely not as common as in the United States. And so I maybe I'm more A little bit more open to having conversations with random people in the United States more than here in Spain. CDUB: I kind of have the opposite experience. I find myself pumping the brakes on be on opening up with complete strangers. I don't know why, and part of it is because I have become more of a private person in the last, I don't know, since I guess coincidentally since I've been in Spain, I don't think it's because of Spain. but just going into the IT cybersecurity and just being a little more aware of algorithms, that type of whole thing, it makes me a little paranoid, I guess. that's just part of my personality too. so it's it was inevitable. But basically what I find is I go there and whether it's happening to me, if I'm in in the middle of this or if I'm overhearing somebody just start to spill the beans on their whole life story. It's almost like they're giving a stranger the life story. They ask one question and then they overanswer the question and it turns into this, I have five kids and their names are blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and they like to do this. And it's like, okay. this seems socially exhausting to me. I prefer to be nice and cordial with people in passing. And you know, if you ask me a question and I don't feel it's too infringing too much on my like comfort level or whatever, then I'll share. it's just something I I don't know and and it's something beautiful I think about the American people is that they they they generally generally and genuinely feel maybe or seem more interested in what's going on in your life. Maybe they ask more questions, which to me is a little like invasive, but I think it it comes from a good place in general. but then what you were just saying about having random conversations with people, I'll just be walking the dog and somebody be like, start talking to me. Not necessarily personal questions. Here it's a Brandon: Yeah, yeah. CDUB: little more like, you're taking the dog out. he looks old and you know, yeah, well, this bliss this this people are more like likely to talk here to me. And I'm just kinda like, okay, I don't really want to talk to you but What choice do I have? I'm not be rude, you know. But I do I Brandon: Yeah. CDUB: do I do feel like compelled to kind of keep keep quiet. I don't really like to share. And that's strange, and maybe it's just you know, I'm a product of my environment and I'm careful about what I say or who I share it with. That's just me. Paulina: sort of somewhere in the middle with with you guys but yeah CDUB: That's weird because you're in the middle. Paulina: yeah go ahead Carson. You said it's weird because CDUB: No, no, I'm done. I'm done. Paulina: No, no no it's weird because tell me, tell me. CDUB: I I'll I'll say it's weird because I feel like I was I'm balancing. Like maybe when I was younger I was one of those Americans who would overshare. Brandon: Now you're bringing it down. CDUB: Now I'm compensating, it's weird. It's weird. That's how I see it. Like I've just gone through this transformation and maybe a few more years I'll reach this happy medium. Whatever. Not something I think about, it's just an and you know, something I've observed about myself and about social interactions. Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: I think for me, for example, when I go to Poland, I definitely have to be a little bit more, you know, with a with a bitch face because I feel like everybody just walks around with a bitch face in Poland. we w it's just the Slavic stare, that's it, you know. We just we just stare at people, we just walk around with the serious face. and I remember when I first moved to Poland from the United States, from New York where people are a lot more mm chatty, you know, like we're chatty enough just to like get by. Like we're not trying to engage too much in conversation, you know, like people say New Yorkers are rude. We're not rude. We're just annoyed with all the tourists. we'll be happy to help you, you know, if you need that help. We'll have a quick chat, whatever. We'll be friendly enough. but don't get in like my business, you know, like You mind your own business, I mind my own business. We don't look at the weirdos, that's it, you know? but people are a lot more like Americans generally are a lot more bubbly, you know? So and smiley and whatever, and they're always like, Hey, how's it going? What's up? How are you guys? Whatever, you know? when I moved to Poland, people were like, Is this girl like does she escape from like a cyborg or something? Like, what is wrong with her, you know? Because I wouldn't be walking around. It's a beautiful day, it's a moment, you know? And CDUB: It's three PM, the sun just went down, and I'm so happy about it. Brandon: Ha ha Paulina: And here in Spain, I feel like I always get talked to by like older Spanish women. I don't know what it is, but they always decide to have like conversations in a in a line like in Mercadona. And I'm like they're always like, no, and I'm like, yeah, leave me alone. Like I'm I'm trying to CDUB: Ha ha. Paulina: just Pay for my shit and go home. And they're having like a whole conversation about, I don't know, a yogurt or whatever that you're buying. CDUB: It's like what I usually do with the yogurt is I put this in and it's like, I didn't ask you. I don't care what you do with Brandon: Yeah. CDUB: your yogurt. Paulina: So it it took some time to to adapt to that, you know, because it's it's like in New York you don't have conversation about that. Like you if you have a conversation it's about a weirdo, you know, about some somebody that is screaming on on the sidewalk, but not about what you do with your yogurt. So CDUB: I'll take the screaming please. A little more screaming, let a little less a little yes less yogurt. Brandon: Yeah. I don't want to talk about yogurt. Paulina: Yeah. No, Brandon: No yoga conversations. Paulina: no, no. CDUB: Tuck a Greek yogurt, Greek lights, whole milk. Paulina: But you guys CDUB: Yeah, I feel you though. Paulina: you guys said what brought you to Spain, obviously. I think for all of us it's the same thing. We came here for love. CDUB: Nerve. Paulina: But what about your hobbies and interests? I feel like there is nothing mentioned about your hobbies. We don't know what Carson likes to do at night. CDUB: Sleep. The fuck? Brandon: We wanna know? Paulina: I don't know. You said that you were hiking and you got stuck in the rain and CDUB: I both well yeah. Not stuck, just brain. Yeah, Paulina: Right. CDUB: hike. I mean, see the beautiful thing about hikes is there's always something you can enjoy, whether the sun's out or not. I mean, it's kind of like the quiet mystery of when am I gonna, you know, step on a cactus and throw it on my friend who's right behind me when we're not using headlamps because it's dark and I don't know what that was about, but that happened. Sorry, Parker. Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: Perfect. CDUB: I thought something had bitten me. Okay, people I like to hike. I'm not gonna go into this long story. We, Paulina: Home. CDUB: yeah. hobbies. Tell me what your interests are, who you be with. Brandon: Things that make you Paulina: Yeah, yeah. Brandon: swap. CDUB: to go. hiking, exercising, getting into wing foiling. yeah, just look it up. It's like Brandon: Go to YouTube. Go to YouTube. Paulina: Image software like a topic image here. CDUB: wing foil. I'm a snowboarder. I love doing strength training. I love sports. I don't play sports enough, but I love soccer, football For those Europeans who are just rolling their eyes when I say soccer. basketball used to play basketball, Brandon used to play basketball as well. Balling. Paulina: Shout out to Muggsybugs once again. Brandon: Marksy Marksy. In every episode. CDUB: Loves it. what else? Yeah, just travelling. Paulina: You guys remember when the whole Kobe thing was was a thing? Everything was CDUB: Who I Paulina: Kobe. Brandon: What's that? Kobe from Chappelle. CDUB: Kobe, huh? Hopefully. Brandon: But that yeah, that was a the yeah, that was a different story though. Paulina: All right, questions Brandon: Mm-hmm. Paulina: are you like to hike, snowboard? CDUB: I like to take long walks on the beach. yeah, I mean I I love being doing active things, I love being outside. If I can combine those, you know, fitness and nature, that's where I'm really happy. I love going to new places, trying all the food, from the area, learning a little bit about the culture and that really into history all the monuments in the third century in the fifteenth century they did this I'm like is it cool or not? I don't care when and when they did it it's obviously old as dirt. Look at it. You know? So that like I don't get too into that all that. you know I can't really go a day without music. It seems odd to not hear music. So I would say I I love music. I love stand up comedy. I love all these things guys. There's so many things to love. Life is so good. I don't know the list goes on and on. I could talk all day. What about y'all? Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: Right. CDUB: Helena, Brandon. Brandon: I'll go, Paulina got me to look, I'll go. What do I it's CDUB: The look. Brandon: like Brandon speak? Paulina: The Slavic's there. Brandon: What do I love? I don't know. One of the things I do love is travelling. Nordia and I we try to go to northern Spain at least once in the summer and that's something that I just love like been there, been outside. 'Cause we used to go we spend days in the mountain and the beach areas and then like in like the bigger cities that are there, but I obviously enjoy being out in nature with the cows and the horses and and all that. what else? CDUB: Falling us face. She's like, what ch what are you doing with those cows and horses, Brandon? Brandon: Okay. CDUB: Hmm. Paulina: Counts. CDUB: What you doing? You hanging out with them? Brandon: Just see the cows once again, you know they hear there's no animals, like no squirrels or anything. So it's like to be walking, CDUB: Good point. Brandon: like in the studio we just got back from there like earlier. Like you're just walking to the beach and then all of a sudden there's like a bunch of cows and goats and everything just they're chilling by the beach and it's like Yeah. It's 'cause But no they're not Paulina: I don't think that's sanitary, but okay. Brandon: on the beach but the apartment 'cause the farms and all the land is right on the beach. It's different. You should have to go. Go go to the north and you'll see it. Paulina: Okay. CDUB: They got the cliffs and yeah. Brandon: Yeah. what else? Basketball? Yeah. Used to love it. I haven't played really much any over the years. I always talk about playing it again, but I don't. Tennis is my new sport. I go to class, try to play as often as I can. It's a challenge. Mentally, physically, but it's good. I like it. What else? I don't know, that's about it. Carson always talking about the gym while I try to go to the gym. Like every year I get more and more into the gym and trying to take care of my body, be healthier. And probably last hobby is probably my drone. So I go out and fly as often as I can, even though this year I've only flown twice, but it's been a busy year. CDUB: I said I could've sworn I've seen more videos. I feel like you're posting a lot of videos. Brandon: No, yeah, 'cause I flew like last weekend or something. I flew in January and then like last week I flew again and so now by flying last week, like now I'm like, I wanna go like today, like 'cause 'cause I have to ask for permission to fly 'cause they depending on where you fly. So today I like asked for permission like three different places. So we'll see. Paulina: And photography, no? You also do photography. Brandon: Yeah, w so that's kinda that's kinda like my photography now. So instead of actually getting my I put I put my cameras away and now I got the drone so that's what I do. Send the drone up and take pictures and video that way. That's about it. Paulina: Just I just love how like we all have such different hobbies. Like similar but yet so different. Yeah. Brandon: Yeah. Yeah, I'm not hiking at CDUB: Lena. Brandon: night like Carson. Paulina: What else? Brandon: I I don't need that CDUB: I'm I'm Brandon: I don't need I don't need that in my life. CDUB: being coerced. I'm being coerced by my brother. My brother gets me Paulina: We don't need that help. CDUB: to do all the adventurous things. Like, well, it's fine, you know. Yeah, we'll just we'll just go down the ridgeline at night. Why not why won't we take the easy trail back? No, no, this one's you'll the view the views are better. There's yeah. But Paulina: That's always the case. The views are better, right? CDUB: it it's true, it was worth it, I will say. But Cactus aside, it was worth it. Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: It was all good. CDUB: Yes. St. Pauli girl. Brandon: Go. The creative one. Paulina: Yeah, let's put it that way that CDUB: What you doing? Paulina: I'm I'm not so much into sports, not anymore. I used to work out much more. I I did aerial yoga for like about three years or something like that, which was a lot of fun. but recently I haven't been doing that either. yeah, I I write, I read. Pretty boring when it comes to hobbies. very I don't know, basic white girl hobbies. writ writing, reading, drinking coffee, like Brandon: Becky. Paulina: Exactly, exactly. Yeah, like I said, yoga like come on guys, like I'm I'm here at a fucking disadvantage. I'm just like No, I'm CDUB: Well Paulina: I'm thinking, what do I do that is fun? Nothing really. CDUB: No, but these are hobbies. It's what's fun to you. Brandon: Exactly. It doesn't matter. It's like what do like? What do you do? CDUB: I mean, I like to write, I just don't. Like you do it, you enjoy it, you're good at it, you've published a book, you're working on things, you're always revising things, right? That's good shit. Paulina: Yeah. So that's sort of what I do. I I write, I I enjoy reading. what else? Spending time with my cats, if that counts as a hobby. I like watching creepy shows. Not much in my eleven to be honest. So CDUB: You're I feel like you two are more into podcasts than I am because you also watch watch some podcasts, don't you? The what's the murder one? Is that one? My favorite murder, yeah. That's come up quite a few Paulina: my favorite murder. Yeah. Yeah, I defin CDUB: times. Brandon: Ha ha ha. Paulina: Yeah, I definitely like a lot of true crime things. So I I like to watch true crime documentaries, podcasts. I like to learn things. Let's just put it this way. But learn Things that nor normal people don't really go out of their way to Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: learn. Like true crime things, you know, like why I don't know, psychopaths or psychopaths type of thing, you know? Like why there was another one that that is a podcast called This Podcast Will Kill You and it's all about bacterias and viruses and whatever things that can kill you. so I'm sort of like, you know, walking around fun facts Gathering fun facts for CDUB: I would love to see your recommendations on Netflix. Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: Yeah, okay. Let's talk over there. CDUB: Look at her sh she didn't like that, she didn't like that. Okay, well I Tony, hook a brother up. Send me some screenshots. Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: Yeah, that's I don't I don't do photography. I'm not really into fitness, except for aerial. But that's about that. Brandon: Why'd you stop doing it? Paulina: Because my teacher moved houses and she had a studio in her house and pretty much now she doesn't have space to have another studio for Ariel and the old Ariel place I stopped going a while back because they started to change a lot of things. the classes got bigger. rather than like feeling that they're still quite personalized. and when it comes to a sport like Ariel, it should be more personalized. It sh you should have a teacher, especially if you're you know a beginner, to be circling around and making sure that you're following all the steps. I mean, you could easily break your neck with something like that. So there should be somebody that or two teachers that are circ circling around and I just felt like it wasn't it wasn't for me anymore. Like I wanted a little bit more of that cozy atmosphere again. Yeah. CDUB: Or something like that especially. Makes sense. Well hopefully you can find something not too far away and I can give Paulina: What's the CDUB: you a more personalized that'd be fun. Sounds like it's gotta be fun and difficult. Paulina: Yeah, I was thinking I was yeah, I was thinking of starting dance classes, but I don't know. I don't know. We'll see, we'll see about that. CDUB: What kind dance? What would you do? Paulina: I have different different thoughts. I actually wanted to start pole dance. for the fact no, I'm not planning to be a stripper. for the fact of that since I did aerial, it it requires a similar strength, you know, like the upper body strength and the core strength. So I was like, Okay, they're sort of similar, not the same, but I think I would be okay with it. but I was also looking into like the typical like salsa, bachata, whatever type of dance. Part of me was looking into hip hop, but I don't know if I would have have the flow for it. So just just ideas for now. CDUB: Cool. I support that. I think dance is amazing. It's one of my favorite visual arts or performing arts. If not my favorite, I love it. I love it. I follow people on Instagram just like the things people can do. Like, what? So hobbies, interests. is there I don't know, what you think is the most interesting thing going on around the world? Whether that thing is, you know, positive, negative, or like good or bad, what do you think is the most interesting thing going on around the world that you've seen? I mean, we all have our algorithms are tailored toward what we like, right? Or what we keep watching or the things we say out of out of context that our mic happens to hear and Google just feeds us that garbage. What's what's piqued your interest recently about things going on outside of your immediate community? Anything? I don't know where that question came from. I don't know if it's not. Fuck. Paulina: something really stupid, but I'm gonna save that for later. CDUB: Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, Brandon: Go for it, go for it. CDUB: do it, do it. Paulina: Okay. Really, really stupid. It came up recently on my timeline. I don't know if you guys know the Sprouse brothers. The Dylan and CDUB: The who? Paulina: Zack and Cody from Sweet Life of Zack and Cody from back in the days. Dylan CDUB: I would recognize them. Brandon: I heard of the show, but it Paulina: and Carl Sprouse. Yeah. So one of them is married, I think Zack is married to a woman who is from Hungary. She's like a model or actress or something like that. And he was doing an interview where he said, I don't know how this rumor also got to Hungary, but the rumor of Marilyn Manson removing his ribs, do you guys remember that rumor? Brandon: Course. CDUB: Why would he remove his own ribs, Paulina? Why would somebody do Brandon: Ha ha ha. CDUB: that? Paulina: So I'm I'm so surprised because obviously we come from different, so to say, we're still millennials, but we come from different years. And it's interesting how CDUB: Yeah, we cover the full spectrum. Paulina: Yeah, it it's so interesting that that rumor was still around when I was in middle school. And then it was around here in Spain, because Tony also knows about it. People in Poland know about it. People in Hungary apparently know about it. I'm like, how Without the internet, because back then, like that was the internet was not like the way it is now. I was like, how the hell did this rumor spread? I know it's a really stupid thought, but it made me think like it's crazy. Like nowadays rumors spread so quickly, like the fake news and everything. But back then I'm like about the fact that Marilyn Manson was removing his words. And it just continued, just it was like a legend, you know, like a like a folk tale type of thing. CDUB: It's funny how that how that started. I mean, I don't know how it started, but it's it's Brandon: Yeah. CDUB: weird. Yeah. Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: Imagine most people don't even know who CDUB: Shit like that. Brandon: Marilyn Menton is now. CDUB: True. If you're much younger than us. Brandon: Like they you ask like a a Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: fifteen year old or a twenty year old. CDUB: Well not. Paulina: Don't don't look it up. What happened to my element? Why did he want to remove the term? Brandon: For those of you that are fifteen or twenty years old. CDUB: Me. Isn't he still making music? I guess I saw something recently. Paulina: No. Brandon: Who knows? Paulina: He looks really odd without makeup. I saw like one photo of him without makeup and I'm like, What? Like that's the same person? Brandon: Yeah. Crazy. Paulina: Anyways, Apple Harm was serious. Brandon: All right. In in non Marlemente news Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: I don't know. CDUB: Where'd go from here? Now you got me totally Brandon: Yeah. CDUB: Duh done funk me up with some a lamenta. Thinking, where can I get some ribs removed? Brandon: Yeah. CDUB: Spain's healthcare is really good. Maybe they'd be willing to do something like that. Joking. Well Paulina: Any other you guys CDUB: I asked a question that I don't have an answer to, so I mean I'm just I think it's I don't know where to go where to go from here, honestly. Paulina: You don't know how to go from here. just Brandon: Sure, sure, sure. Paulina: blew your mind completely. As far as the CDUB: I think it's a very strange it we're living in a very strange time in a very strange world and it doesn't seem like it's gonna get any more sane or normal or whatever anytime soon. Back to AI. I mean we we talk about AI all the time and it's just just cause it's very much a part of our our world, our life Brandon: Everywhere. CDUB: right now. In my interview the other day, do I can I do you mind if I use a bot to take notes for our interview today? And I said, Yeah, sure. Okay. You know, I don't have a problem with it. I didn't have a problem with it in the moment, and then later thinking about it, I'm like, actually I don't really like that. I don't really like that because You know, then it's then Brandon: Personal information. CDUB: it's well it's not so much per you're right. It is personal information, it's a privacy issue, but it's also more like is the decision going to come down to which Brandon: A human CDUB: adjectives I repeated or how I answered this question, or is it gonna be more based on how the interviewer, you know, what the feelings they got from from my responses, my energy, you know, what I emitted. Not the words I said, because the AI doesn't have feelings, doesn't can't relate. You know, and if they're using that as a metric to, you know, objectively, you know, qualify or disqualify candidates, then it's like I feel like I'm at a disadvantage. You know, otherwise I maybe I should just practice a script that's gonna like AI is just gonna be like, wow, that's your number one candidate, because I'm sure if I said things in a specific way or in a specific order. Or I used keywords based on the the job listing or the company. And all those things were just ding ding ding ding checking all the boxes, just the same way as applicant tracking systems use or scan resumes to to pair to put you on the short list so the companies call you. Like it's all getting way less personal, way more just way more metallic, way colder, less you know, like trust and human more reliance on machine. It's just I mean, I'm all for working together. I'm all for this like this whole thing, you know, this convergence, merging with technology, us working with it to enhance our lives, our experience and and feed connection. But I don't get the sense that it's going that way. I I it's just it seems more and more like we're just getting further and further away from what what it means to be human. Paulina: Much more serious than mine. No, but it's true. It also loses the personal loses that personal touch, right? Like of actually having an interview with the person who's sitting there and actually really listening and sort of remembering the conversation after the the actual interview, right? rather n than looking at notes that advocate. Brandon: Yeah. Paulina: Yeah. CDUB: Get it. Like on one hand, I get it. You get a hundred people or fifty people or ten, even ten people to interview. And maybe you gotta go from one interview to the next. You don't have time to write notes on how that interview went, how they answer the question, what was your gut feeling? Even a qua quantitative one out of five, one out of ten, how would you feel like this candidate did? Maybe they just don't even have time for that, which is also part of the problem. But yeah. Brandon: I think it'd be like one thing is like they're recording it and using a bot so that they can go back and like you said, like you have like ten interviews in two hours, so they can go back and like listen to them again and go through everything and say, all right, well yeah, I missed this the first time in the interview. That makes sense, but once again, that's probably not the case of what actually happened. CDUB: So yeah, I mean that's optimistic. Yeah, maybe that's true. But my I mean it was notes from what I got. So notes, Brandon: Yeah. CDUB: like that's just reducing, you know, Brandon: Human effort. CDUB: the whole everything we do to communicate, it's not just the words that we that come out of our mouths, right? It's it's how we say it, it's the the eye movement, it's the facial expressions, it's body language even. A little bit in a video chat. I mean you don't get a lot, but all those things add to the the feeling you have about somebody's being a good fit for any type of role or whatever. So yeah. I'm still an AI optimist, but I don't know. I'm more more towards a neutral. Like just not so sure. Not sure I won it. I'm looking back on these older movies I'm watching, watched a couple, Batman Begins. The other one last night was Guess Who with Ashton Kutcher. And Brandon: Burning back. CDUB: like, you know the Just thinking about the simplicity of life. You know, you didn't need smartphones to enjoy life, to have connections, you know, to to really get to know somebody, to really go enjoy something. you didn't have screens everywhere you went. You didn't have this whole I can look it up. I can know anything I need to know. So why wonder? You know? Why stop and think and ask and when I can just look it up? I don't need to ask for recommendations on where I should eat or where I should stay or what we should do while we go there. I'll just look it up, I'll be isolated over here and just Let a machine tell me what it thinks is best. Weird. Paulina: is how you know we're getting old. It's like the par our parents complain about technology and they're like, I don't know how to do this and they're like, Can you help me with setting up Facebook or whatever? And it's like we're we're those people now. We're complaining about the children using technology, you know, AI and all of it. But it's it's true, right? Like we I feel like sometimes it's just too much. You feel overwhelmed. Like I literally work with the laptop every single day and during the weekends I'm like I just want to close the laptop, I want to put away my phone and not really check anything. But if I want to post something for a podcast, if I want to post something, I don't know, for my business or whatever, I I need a computer. It's not like I can take like a microphone and just walk around an announcer or like a megaphone, whatever like it's just Although in Spain. Brandon: Yeah, I was gonna say y you could do the put the put the speaker on your car, drive around. Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: Show. Paulina: yeah. The tapiceros. Yeah. And Brandon: Ter Paulina: then and then knife sharpening ones as well. The song that Brandon: Yeah. Here we got the here we get the fruit also. CDUB: People are our American listeners, they Brandon: Mm-hmm. CDUB: on the weekends, some is during the week too, the the people that do the bread, the bread delivery. Brandon: Yeah, not red, yeah. CDUB: Like they will listen, they will come to your neighborhood and they will announce that they're in your neighborhood and you want something, you run out in the street and you say, Hey, stop. And then you go and talk to them and like they have upholstery, they do upholstery, they sharpen knives, they sell bread, what else? Brandon: Bread, cheese. CDUB: Cheese. I want that one. I was I'll run out in the street for that. Brandon: Yeah, the cheese we have the cheese here at the beach. CDUB: Is it good? Brandon: Well, I you know, I don't like cheese, so CDUB: right. Sorry, for those of you I know this is a sad Brandon: Yeah. CDUB: moment for those listeners Paulina: Okay. CDUB: out there who love cheese, including myself, Brandon. You break my heart. Brandon: There's like three other people out Paulina: Very good. Brandon: there that don't like cheese. CDUB: No Paulina: Not know that. Brandon: Yeah, but now you know, see. Also CDUB: It w Brandon: be I think before this is before our time, even rather before my time here in Spain, but what they used to do also is like when someone would die, the car the same car would drive around and like they had a speaker and they would announce the people that had passed away that week or whatever. CDUB: I've come to think of it, I think I've I've heard that too. And I had I had some questions for my wife. Like are they saying what I think they're saying? Brandon: so you've actually heard that. Like I haven't heard that recent, right? CDUB: I feel like I have. I feel like I have. Yeah, that that rings a bell. Maybe when I first moved. Paulina: Creepy. Okay. CDUB: Yeah, things things that only exist in Spain or that we as far as we know. Brandon: Yeah. CDUB: So yeah. We we just this is the Paulina: I don't know where we were going with this. How how it started? How how did it Brandon: Ha ha ha It doesn't matter. CDUB: this is how the group chat goes. Usually it's Paulina and they're like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And Brendan and I are like crickets, and then all of a sudden we'll give like a thumbs up or a heart. And Paulina just goes, 10 minutes Paulina: Yeah. CDUB: audio, audio book. And then I don't know about you, Brendan, but I'm just like, Brandon: I open a phone, see messages, it is like, there's a audio. And another one. Paulina: Yeah. Brandon: She recorded another one. CDUB: I I was like, group chat the group chat's busy today. I mean Paulina's bus I mean Love and respect for you, Paulina, 'cause you keep things together. You're yeah. Brandon: Without a doubt. CDUB: Thank you. Thank you for keeping us in line. Brandon: Keeping us on track. Paulina: No, sometimes I feel like that I'm like, my god, it's nine in the mornings like t today or yesterday. I was like, guys, I have a wonderful idea. It's crazy, but I have a great idea. CDUB: Ha ha. Paulina: First of all, good morning. Hello. CDUB: First of all, good morning. Hi guys, how've gone? Paulina: man. But it's true. I mean I I I talk a lot Brandon: That's how it is. Paulina: and and that's how it is. And you you guys knew what you were signing up for, like at this point. You guys knew me for many years. man. Good. Tell them. Brandon: It's all good. As as we always say, CDUB: It's all good. Brandon: we wouldn't change it for anything. CDUB: Exactly. Paulina: Hey, don't make me cry now, all right? CDUB: Yeah. Paulina: Any any anywho, anyways. Any any CDUB: Anywho Paulina: up any other questions we've got? CDUB: I live in Lan Sarote. Paulina: Ha ha ha CDUB: I I think that's the di that's all folks. Paulina: Now we are. That's that's what you've learned CDUB: All right. Well Paulina: about us. CDUB: we are people who have done things and we like things and we hope you found it interesting. So Paulina: And we'll do more things. Brandon: No, it nah. CDUB: And what? Paulina: And we'll do more things. Brandon: We'll tell you about it. Paulina: Exactly. CDUB: Thank you for watching. Find us on YouTube, Instagram, Apple, Spotify, blah, blah, blah, blah, Brandon: All those places. CDUB: blah. Give us a like, a follow, we do appreciate it. We're small podcasts, but we're trying to keep it real with y'all. we don't script our podcasts. We just say what comes to mind, what we feel in our hearts. and we hope maybe you can resonate with some of this. Maybe You appreciate just hearing it, you laughing along, or you're living part of the things, you know, some of the things we're living. So thanks again for watching and we'll see you on the next one. Paulina: Imagine we actually scripted this shit. Brandon: Okay. Paulina: All right. So see you on the next one. CDUB: I said goodbye, so I got to leave like Brandon: Where are you going, Carson? yeah. And now that you know a little bit more about us, if you have questions, well now you can ask us if you have anything about why Carson's doing karate Paulina: How I didn't work out. Brandon: or anything. Carson's always there. Alright, people. CDUB: I'm still here. I can't leave, I'm trapped. Let me out Paulina: Ai! CDUB: Bye.