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119) How Jess Went All In On Her Remote Business & Quit Her Healthcare Jobs · Digital Nomad Life Podcast

• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: Hey there and welcome to the Digital Nomad Life Podcast.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm your host, Krista.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: I am a long-term digital nomad and a business and career coach who specializes in helping people leave the nine to five, leave their traditional careers, and actually start a new location independent career for themselves.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: And today I'm so excited to be joined with my client Jess, who is in the middle of the Digital Nomad Life Academy, which is my one-year program.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: So Jess joined the program um, I think five months, five or six months ago, right?
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: And uh now she is here with me live in a studio in Bali.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: She came from Australia, and she is here as someone who already has her location independent business.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: So in less than six months, she was able to start leaving her different jobs basically in healthcare and start making money from her laptop.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm really excited for her to share her success story about how she went from, yeah, having a really traditional career in healthcare to now being a location-independent business owner with so much more room to scale and so many exciting things ahead.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: And she's actually in a really, really exciting moment in her business right now, which I think you'll hear a lot about, this big transitionary moment that she's in, kind of leaving her uh, yeah, all the traditional elements of her career and life behind, and onto a new exciting path where she has all the freedom in the world.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: So can't wait for us to dive into this episode.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: But without further ado, Jess, welcome.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: So happy to have you here.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for um having me.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's been surreal um being in Bali after starting listening to Krista's podcast like less than a year ago, and now being completely like leaving my private practice job um in exercise physiology and now working like my own my own business um in the same kind of field, but it's much more flexible and location independent.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just been amazing and such a wild ride.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like the last two months has just been insane, but so exciting.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: Can't wait to dive into all the details.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think that there's probably some people in my audience who also are um yeah, working in healthcare that actually, I think you were just telling me about someone that you met today, right?
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: Or yesterday, someone who was a nurse and was like, Oh, well, tell, tell, tell us a little story.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so basically we were at breakfast and I met this girl at my hostel, and she was so she works in nursing and she loves her job, but she was like, How are you doing exercise physiology abroad?
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we're in health, like, how is it possible?
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I just explained a little bit, and she ended up being like, Oh, like maybe I should come work for you a little bit when things are a bit more up and running.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: So it would be amazing to have a nurse on my team.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just a very interesting sense being in the DNLA.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, the way my brain works is completely different now.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I just constantly like I'm thinking about business ideas and like how you would market something and how that you can make things location independent after like listening to all of a lot of the podcasts, and and that's actually how I found Krista.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and also just yeah, like figuring out this mindset of working from wherever, as you very well put it.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: I I actually love that you just said, oh, my mind works differently now that I've been in the digital nomad life academy.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because when you said that, okay, so this nurse sees you working remotely from the beach, basically in Bali, and she's like, Oh, how are you doing that?
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, can I work for you?
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: And to me, I'm like, oh, she's clearly still in an employee mindset.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like what she could have asked is, oh, how can I work for myself from anywhere as well?
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: But her mindset was still, how do I work for someone else to have this freedom?
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: So that's not your problem.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: You can you could totally hire her, right?
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like when the time comes.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: And um I'm excited to talk about, you know, the scalability of your business as well and how actually this is a very real possibility that you probably could hire her sometime within the next six months.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but just for the listeners, I wanted to draw that distinction because my goal in this podcast and in what I do is to start training people to think like Jess is now thinking, like as someone who's a business owner that sees all the possibilities of life and more.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: So, that being said, I would like to do some before and after type conversations.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: So, well, we can start with the after, um, where you are right now.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: So, can you just describe to the listeners what your business is like at this moment?
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: And um also like, are you working other jobs still?
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what's tell us about your career as of today?
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I have a fully location um independent business called Energized Physiology, and I w came to Bali about three days ago um and came to Chenggu and left my um private practice job um also like three or four days ago, um, had my last day, and basically I still like I'm not fully replaced my income yet.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm still, I'd say, about 50% of the way, if not a little bit more now.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I still do like a little bit of nannying here and there and like um working a casual job in a rehab hospital back at home.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm kind of like on the cusp, but not quite replaced my income.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: But I can definitely see the um see that in the future.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, so I basically just woke up this morning, did a call in the co-working space, like had a look at the beach and came and met Christopher breakfast.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it's just been beautiful.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's so amazing here and so surreal to go from listening to a podcast to then being on the podcast and meeting you in person as well.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's just been insane.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that's where I'm at now.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: So cool.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: If anybody is new here, I have many other episodes where I'm interviewing other clients and yeah, they all say the same thing like, oh, I started off as a podcast listener and now I'm literally here in Bali with my location independent business.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: So whoever you are listening to this, this could be you in the future.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: Don't sell yourself short.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: You could literally be here being interviewed soon.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, back to Jess.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, you said you're on the cusp.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: And when you say you're on the cusp of replacing your income, uh, what you told me earlier today is you have eight sales calls lined up over the next couple of days.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: So, like if all of these people end up saying yes to your offer, uh, would you replace your income?
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, is that where we're at right now?
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so actually, by the time that this podcast publishes, you could literally have completely replaced your income.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's that's how much on the cusp you are.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: And how does that feel, by the way?
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: Insane.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: I still can't wrap my head around it, to be honest.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like, even just landing here and like I've traveled before, but I feel like this trip was different to me in the sense because it was like trying to get a feel for like what digital nomad life is actually like, and like if it's like, you know, in if it's like a practical thing I could do, like not just some dream I've always had, because it literally is a lifelong dream coming true.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's insane.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: But and like, yes, it is very practical and very amazing, but like also very hard to actually like feel real because it's just amazing.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot in your life that's changing as a result of you being able to actually work from anywhere, um, which I think is a really interesting piece of the overall equation of going location independent.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and I for me, uh this is what I think a holds a lot of people back from becoming location independent, is they think, oh, because if I have this freedom, that means that everything has to change.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: So, and I think that can feel kind of intense because change is always intense and change can always be a little scary.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so could you share a little bit about what it feels like for things to be changing and what is changing for you?
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, I would say my whole life is changing in the sense that like what I knew work to be is just completely different.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm able to work on something that I'm really passionate about and like I have full control over.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like I can kind of guide my day however I want it, and like I don't feel like I've ever really fit into the traditional model.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I always felt like a bit strange for that until coming across this podcast and meeting other people who have that experience as well.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: And like I can wake up later or I can gym at lunchtime, which is when I prefer to, and just have a lot more flexibility.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: So a lot's changing in that sense, but um yeah, I think it's interesting that you said not everything has to change.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you can it doesn't mean you have to move abroad for the rest of your life, like you can, you know, go back home for periods of time.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's just more the fact that you have the freedom to do anything, and travel doesn't have to be this annoying cycle of work really, really hard in an office or for me in a clinic and then save up a bunch of money and then go traveling and then do it all again.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you can kind of just have this be your lifestyle, which is really insane and great.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: So much more integrated, actually, to be able to, you know, book a trip and have that trip be three weeks versus one week.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: And instead of uh, I think you said this earlier, you're like, yeah, I would have to save 30 grand to go on some really big trip, and then you save that money and then you spend that money, and now you've got to go grind and work hard again.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: But now if you know that you have income coming in, you might just need to take off like a day or two to take a flight, and then you can just get right back into it, but just do it from wherever you want to go.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: So that's pretty cool.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and yeah, not everything has to change.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're you are still here in Bali on on a holiday, like on vacation.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: So you'll go back to Sydney next week.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: I know you did extend your trip by a little bit, which is super cool that you were able to do that.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah, so what's life like at home?
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so back home.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: I actually am very fortunate.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, like I know a lot of people who are in the DNL or who are wanting to start like a new business, like hate their jobs, and like that's like totally um not exactly my experience in the sense that like I have a like had a great job in a clinic and I loved everyone I work with and my clients, which made it really hard to leave.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: But in saying that, it also is very easy to stay and feel comfortable.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: So it was like I was like, why, like, why am I complaining about a job that's actually quite great?
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, yeah, it can be great, but it's not necessarily great for you.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, love that.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think um, I think that's another thing too.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like we as humans in our society, we are told that to be successful, it looks a certain way.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: And if you can have this success, like have a good job with security and benefits, and and that you like your coworkers and that you like your boss, and that you get a decent amount of time off, like you've made it.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: So then I think to say, yeah, but actually I would like more than this.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, I would like something different.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, this isn't fully feeling super satisfying to me.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think we can feel a little bit guilty about that or feel like it's wrong for us to want more.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I love that you have fully claimed that you do want more and that you are going after it so wholeheartedly, um, which is, I think, why, of course, you going after it so wholeheartedly is why you've had this success within such a short time period.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I want to talk about that time period.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: If we go back, like let's say eight months before you joined the DNLA, can you share with us a little bit about like what was going on in your mind, in your mindset, um, in your lifestyle, what was challenging and what was making you feel like you were on the brink of um yeah, making the investment in the program, for example?
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so eight months ago, um I was like on my commute to work and I had run out of podcasts to listen to.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, like all my favorite ones hadn't released episodes in a while.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so I literally just Googled digital nomad and like travel podcasts because I'm interested in that.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: I've always been passionate about traveling.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: And like Krista's podcast came up and with a couple of others and like the vibe of like her and the picture, and I was like, wow, okay.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I just went for it and I just listened to a few episodes like on my drives to work, and I was like, oh my god, like this is insanely cool.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: And then I listened to it for a few months and I was really keen on investing, but like I was insanely broke.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like I just came out of uni, um, doing like a year worth of unpaid work, basically, which is like our placement to get our degree.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I like which by the way, that's so crazy.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: What the heck?
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: Do I need to get me started?
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think I knew that.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's insane.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know you'd been working for free for a year.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, not only do you have to spend all this money to go to school, but then you also have to work for free in order to basically be like trapped by your career of okay.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, it's insane.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm mad.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm mad when you put it like that.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like, guys, we can have more than this.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: What the heck?
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, I'm fired up.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, anyway, keep going.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's all right.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: So then I was like listening to it and I was really enjoying the content and everything.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I was kind of very much like in that stage of where I was like, oh, this is interesting, I'll listen to the free content.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: And like that's kind of all that will happen.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: And then I kept listening and I was like, wow, okay, I actually want to do something about this.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm clearly not gonna get the input I need from a podcast, and I need like the actual guidance from you and like in my specific situation.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: And then you showed your platform and all of your like amazing videos about how to actually apply it.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm a very practical person, so I was like, yes, like this is exactly what I need.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: When you say the video, what do you remember what was a specific video that you saw that you were like, oh, okay, this actually is making sense now?
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think like one of the videos, I can't remember where it was from, but you were like sharing, um, you told us all to set up like a Google Calendar for your calls, and then you were sharing like what your Google Calendar looks like.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, wow, like it was so blank compared to mine, and like that's not in a bad way.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like you had, but you had such a variety of things as well.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like you had all your calls, and then you went to like see the sunset every night.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, Is that non-negotiable?
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it should be non-negotiable.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I love a sunset, so I was like, wow, like that's just great.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: And you can gym at like whatever time, you don't have to go before work or after when you're exhausted.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was just all so unreal to me, like how there could be so many blank spaces, like whereas like mine was like work, and then I'd have like little bits around work and like gym, and I was just constantly full, and it wasn't really full with the kind of things I wanted it to be full with.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like after you work for eight hours and then you gym, which isn't on non-negotiable for me, like you just don't really have the energy to do anything else as much as you'd like to.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I think it was great to see, like in a real practical sense, like your calendar and what it looks like.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: But the other videos I was referring to as well is just like step by step, like how to market, how to do sales, how to find your niche, and all this stuff that you I absolutely had like I was the most beginner person at marketing and sales that they could ever be because I was from health.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: We don't learn anything about that.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: So, and I find it insanely interesting as well.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's just nice to learn something that's not science for a change in the first time in who knows how long now, like six years or something.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, so actually, this is cool.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: So you didn't know anything about marketing less than six months ago.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: Not a thing.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: That is crazy because you're killing it with your marketing.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: You're you are actually a natural, as what I have witnessed from you.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but what's so interesting is that you didn't know that you were.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: And what I'm just thinking about is how many people that work in healthcare, that work in science, any kind of field like that that doesn't have anything to do with business and marketing, how many of those people would actually be low-key, really naturally good at marketing and just have no idea because they've been so conditioned to be like, this is your career, this is what you do, only this, only these kind of skills matter to you.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: I I mean this might be a bit of a reach, but I honestly think majority of them really because yeah, like being in healthcare, like you have to read people so much, you have to like be like be there for them and understand their pain and their problems and really try to help them.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that your whole approach to sales and marketing and everything is from a helping point of view.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I actually think most people in healthcare would have all of these natural skills because it's just a lot of them, it's the kind of people that they are and they want to genuinely be like help and are really good at, you know, putting themselves like out there in front of someone and like actually trying to tell them how to improve their lives, which I guess is what this all really comes down to.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's like that's what you do, that's what I do.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it's really interesting.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: So interesting.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: So by the way, if you're someone who's in healthcare or any kind of profession where you are working with people, you might be a natural at marketing and you just have no idea.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: And you would not know until you try.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a that's a very cool little point.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, anyway, okay, so you were listening to the podcast, you uh saw, saw the calendar, felt inspired by that, okay, wait, there is actually someone living this kind of lifestyle.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I could have this kind of lifestyle.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: So was it the whole like seeing it be real for you thing that made it click?
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Or what was that?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: Was there some kind of like final straw moment that you had that made you just pull the trigger and and join?
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it wasn't like an instant decision for me.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: It was actually something I sat on from like the very first episode I watched for like probably the next two or three months.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even remember if it was maybe potentially faster than that.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, so I was just literally lying awake at bed awake at night, just think being so on the fence, like really wanting to sign and really wanting it so badly, but being so incredibly broke after university that I was like genuinely like, I can't go into credit card debt again, I can't do it.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I think reading that book um by Jen Sincero that you suggested in one of your podcasts, like I read the whole thing.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's called You Are a Badass at Making Money.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: Jens and Terro, read read the book.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: Read the book.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's it's a really life-changing book, like just getting your head around money mindset and everything.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I've read that, I listened to a bunch of podcasts, and then I was just lying awake and I was like, oh, I don't know.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and it was just so like giving me so much anxiety because I wanted it so bad, but it felt out of reach.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was listening to um that podcast episode about whether you're I'm not sure the exact wording of it was like whether you are cut out to be an entrepreneur.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: What was there?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Are you cut out to be an entrepreneur and art?
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, something like that.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and you just like in it, you were like hyping everyone up, and I was literally in the car driving home, and I was like literally like screaming.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, fuck yeah, like I can do it, like surely.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um so then after that, I like um got home and joined the program.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like I already had, I had actually booked a remote readiness call um before doing that.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was like, no, I'm not even gonna wait.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: I just I because I was like, I know myself, and if I if I didn't do it, I wasn't going to do it.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I just went through it and just like closed my eyes and pressed pay.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, okay, cool.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: And then from the beginning, I was just like really like it from going from a like when you're at university and you're watching all these like I guess lectures and you're just like, oh like trying to skip through it and make it go faster.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like I've genuinely never like watched content where I've been like, wow, like it's just like so interesting to me to learn more from you and like the way you present things.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that's like kind of what's kept me interested.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, well, I I think it's uh amazing that you've decided I'm gonna be a business owner.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know, do you think that the content is interesting because like learning about the concept of a niche or learning about the concept of deliverables in an offer, like, is that what's interesting, or is what's interesting the way that these pieces of information contribute to your dream lifestyle?
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's yeah.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: So it's definitely how it contributes to my dream lifestyle.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the interesting thing is like this didn't start out as me being like, I want to be a business owner.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: It started out with me being like, oh, I just want to travel, I don't care what it takes.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like, just tell me how and I'll just do it.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'll do anything.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and then um basically then I started like watching the videos and getting into it.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh my gosh, like this isn't just about travel anymore, like having my own business.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: Now I'm like, wow, this is so cool and I'm so interested, like being able to just like put your mind to different things at every point of the day, like talking to clients and designing like things on Canva for your marketing.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's just for someone like who has a very chaotic like head, like doing all of those different elements makes me feel really engaged and it's really interesting.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there are so many um different aspects to entrepreneurship that allow you to really, you know, utilize so many different skill sets that you have.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: And if you have energy for maybe creativity on one day, well, there's a lot of projects that you can do that will allow you to use that energy.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're feeling more like you just want to work with your clients, you can go into optimizing that experience.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, there I'm remembering that something that you said earlier when we were sitting at the beach earlier today, um, is about the way that it felt for you when you were doing your job full time.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because it was obviously really different than the nature of the work that you're doing now.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: And you would mention something about like this 40 hour, like how you felt after doing 40 hours of that.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to put words in your mouth, but maybe you can talk a little bit about what your career felt like prior to starting a business.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: So basically after finishing uni, I went straight into full-time work.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: I worked at this amazing clinic with these genuinely amazing people who I still absolutely love and work with.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: But like I was I was working every day and I was like constantly face to face with people, standing in front of them, um trying to be there for them and help them and improve their situation, taking on their emotional load and everything.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and for me, who's like someone as an introverted extrovert, I couldn't like by the end of the day, I would just feel like an actual shell of a human being, and like my parents would be like chatting to me or something.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I should be like, no, I can't, I can't answer any more questions.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, um, I just have no energy left.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I hadn't like, I don't know, I just feel like this whole concept that you have of protecting energy.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: And you said something that was really powerful on one of our calls when you said, like, not every hour of work is equal.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: That really stuck with me because I feel like every hour of work felt like two to me.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: And like for somebody else, it might be like so perfect for them.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: But the thing is, I love the work, it's just client facing time for eight hours a day is a lot, and then you gotta go wake up and do it all again.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: So being able to, but it's not just um from my perspective, I felt like I wasn't um like you can't give your clients a hundred percent because you can't be a hundred percent all day long.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: And like I wanted time to be able to like make them really awesome programs and like send them really supportive emails and do all of this extra stuff that you don't have time for when you're working um in like a private practice.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: So now I can, you know, send my clients resources and send them check-in emails and like actually like text them and see how they're going through our calls, and like that's part of like something I include is like that contact.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: But it's also nice to know you're giving somebody like your all because you genuinely have the energy to do so instead of you know being told you've got to do eight back-to-back clients and feel obviously you get lunch, but you feel really exhausted by the end.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what is popping up in my mind as you're saying that is like the fact that you have more emotional and mental, physical, energetic bandwidth now because you work for yourself, it probably makes you actually so much more magnetic to your clients and just to everybody around you.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like you have the space now to think about, oh, how can I add this extra touch and make my client experience that much better?
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas previously, if it was just back to back to back to back to back to back to back to clients all day for four for five days a week, 40 hours, like how could you ever have time to make a wonderful experience for your clients?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you just literally all of your energy would be going towards this one thing.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: So of course you'd be depleted.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so that's really cool that you get to kind of make a more well-rounded, holistic career for yourself as a result.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: So um, one thing that you mentioned, you were saying that uh yeah, I had all this energy.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't have, or I used all my energy for this business.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even have time to answer questions afterwards.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um so you're on the cusp of fully replacing your income, which means that you're gonna get to fully quit all the jobs and be fully working for yourself.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: So when you are fully working for yourself, I heard you don't want to travel all the time.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: You're like in a great relationship back in Sydney.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: You like where you live, you have a great community.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, you don't want to be traveling all the time.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: What are you gonna do with all this freedom?
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I think travel is gonna be a very, very large part of it.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I do want to spend a decent amount of time abroad, like at least a year or if not two, um, down the track.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: But I think what what it would look like for me would be um when I'm at home, like I live by the beach.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm very grateful for where I live um and my community, like you said.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but like I think it would look like, you know, finally being able to do more hobbies and surf and just work by the beach.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: And like I genuinely actually like my work now.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I would want to spend time perfecting everything, um, and like just try new hobbies and just like actually experience life and not get to a point where I'm like, wow, I've wanted to try painting or like whatever random thing for like the last 10 years and I've never done it because I've been working.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like I don't want to live that way.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it would look like that, and then I'd want to be, you know, doing trips frequently.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then yeah, I'd like to spend a year or two abroad.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um pretty soon.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: It'll be yeah.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: Why do you want to spend a year or two abroad?
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: Because I just love I love everything about traveling really, like um just all the different cultures and things like that, and just really expand your mind and like help you.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I learned more traveling than I ever did in university about much more relevant things like human nature and culture and just all of like I love being in nature as well and all of that.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um and yeah, like I was like I was telling you earlier, um, when I went to the Philippines when I was 20, and it was my first, my first ever time in Asia, my first ever time backpacking, um, going solo, anything.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and like that was just such an eye-opening experience, like seeing all these people working on their laptops.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, what on earth are you doing?
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we're actually working right now.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, how?
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how is that even possible?
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: So it was very interesting to go from like digital nomadism as an idea to like seeing it in front of me and being like, why, why can't I do this?
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I think limiting beliefs take a lot, I take a lot away from a lot of people, um, including myself.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I think sometimes you just need permission to get rid of them.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: And you gave me permission to do that.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: If someone listening hasn't heard of the phrase limiting beliefs, how would you describe that?
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: And how would you yeah, show them maybe where it could be showing up in their life?
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so like to me, limiting beliefs is like things you tell yourself, like my like I think my main thing and a lot of people's main one is like thinking it's you're not the kind of person who could do that.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, but I think that's one of the most common things is like, but why not?
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like if someone else who was in a completely similar job to you, or someone was, you know, even maybe at a in a lower place than you are regarding like their career, and they can do it, like you just need to, like, this is your sign to know that you can, like, you don't have just because you're not a lucky person, maybe, or like you're not a don't see yourself as particularly successful, like you need to give your permit self permission to go, go do the things, do all the things.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: I I personally resonate so much with what you just said about like if you don't see yourself as necessarily successful, I really had a lot of limiting beliefs around my own success.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I think that's because I just never really fit into the system.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's because I for sure have ADHD or I just like, yeah, most entrepreneurs have ADHD.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: By the way, if you're listening to this and you think you have ADHD, you might actually be really, really good at being an entrepreneur.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but anyway, yeah, like it's hard to fit into a system where everybody else seems to be doing things in the same way, in the same order, at the same time pace, at like they're all doing it and they're doing what's expected of them.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then for me, I always felt like I couldn't really keep up.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was so exhausting to be getting to work at 9 a.m.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: I never was there on time.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: And ultimately I kind of got fired because like basically because of that.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and uh maybe other little things about me not fitting in.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, I was just in this whole like, oh my gosh, I'm never gonna be good at anything.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like I can't even do this.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, really having a lot of limiting beliefs around my own success.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: And um, so I don't know if you personally had the like success wound, if you will, but yeah, I don't know.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: How would you say you overcame your that identity shift that needed to happen from going from like, am I the kind of person, like, am I really the kind of person that could do this?
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: To yes, I am the kind of person that could do this.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's interesting.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't really have an immediate answer for it.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's like being in the community helped a lot and just hearing um other people's stories.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: Which community?
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: Digital Nomad Life Academy, the DNLA community.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, maybe you can talk a little bit because I think for me to explain what the community is like, because I'm the community leader, maybe I wouldn't be able to articulate it fully.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: So can you just share a little bit about what the community even is and and then why it why it was supportive in this way?
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, so the community is basically um full of people who are in the DNL um or like people who are wanting to like have location independence and build a business.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and basically I think the main thing was like realizing that there are people like me who don't necessarily want to fit in the mold that you're told to fit in.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think knowing that there were other people like that um made a big difference.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: But I think the main thing with the limiting beliefs is like hearing people's stories and like someone being, you know, way younger than me or you know, maybe started off somewhere else and they're able to do like these incredible things.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, why shouldn't why shouldn't I?
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like the only thing actually stopping me was myself in the end, which is why do you think why do you think you were stopping yourself?
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: What do you mean?
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think like I was just I don't know if it was like fear of failure or if it was fear of success.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was like, well, I which sounds weird, but it's just like a bit of birth, I think, really.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think both of them well, fear of failure maybe implies that you're scared of like judgment from other people or some kind of really bad thing happening.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's like kind of a scarcity-based thing.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: Fear of success though is like a fear of change.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: And why would that be scary?
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: Why would why would being successful be scary?
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's just more the concept of you know, like everything's gonna look different, and that's great.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I think for me, fear of failure was definitely more relevant in the sense that like when I was 20, I really did care what people thought.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um and now you simply just don't care.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: So it makes it a lot easier.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, um, but yeah, I think fear of success is an interesting one because it's very conflicting to have that.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, totally.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: I do think that fear of success, it is well, it's something that you wouldn't ever consider being something to be scared of unless you're like on the brink of success.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: So it kind of invites in this self-sabotage of wait, but like maybe I'm not ready to receive all this freedom or all this abundance or whatever.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: And um, yeah, I think okay, let me just tune in to the fear of success and maybe about your specific situation too.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay, if you uh are having all these jobs and you've been doing what you're told your whole life and things worked out pretty well, right?
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like you liked your job, everything was for good for the most part.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: But if you succeed, if you actually do step into fully entrepreneurship, if you do fully get your location independence and you get to quit your job, now you actually have all this responsibility of what you're gonna do with all of this freedom.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: And you want to make the most out of it, but it's like a whole new identity for you to step into to be like, okay, who who am I?
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: And now you almost have to rebuild yourself.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like maybe I don't know, the metaphor I'm getting right now is like when you're uh younger and you get sent to a brand new school, like that can be really scary for kids, but also it's totally a chance to completely reinvent yourself.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: But you're reinventing yourself still with the same community around you.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: So um, do you think that anybody, you don't have to name any names, but like, do you think that there's anybody in your life that might respond to you differently with you now working for yourself and probably making a lot more money eventually?
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, does there any is there anything that feels sticky around that?
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, no.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, great.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I know that's like an unusual situation, but I'm I've got a small group of friends, but like very, very high quality friends.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um they've been nothing but supportive, and same with my family.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm grateful for that.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: And that's never really been something that's ever hold me held me back.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's more just myself and like how big of a a step this is.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: But I have to say it's definitely like I've definitely felt more supported by doing this, not on my own.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like I think I would have been absolutely screwed if I did this on my own.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: It would have taken me years, if not longer.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, I don't know that it would have happened because I just think I would have somehow self-sabotaged, as you said, and also just didn't know anything about marketing or sales.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, no, I don't think I'm like, I hope that nothing from my like from that aspect will change, but I don't believe that it will.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that if I don't think I think you're right, the right friends for you will just be there, no matter what.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, and the ones that aren't will ultimately fall away, which can be painful to experience, but I'm glad that you uh are around so many supportive people.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, something that was coming to me when you were talking about the the self-sabotage and also like not doing this on your own.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: So because you're in the program, right, and you're around like you and I, we get to talk.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, you you come to a lot of calls.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I see you at least twice a month.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, in case anybody doesn't know, with the Digital Nomad Life Academy, I'm live at least three to four times per week and it's optimized for all different time zones.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: So the goal is that anybody in the program can come to a minimum of two calls per month.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, you know, Jess being based in Australia, she's gonna come to the Australian focused time zone calls.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, um, so yeah, what's cool about being able to come to calls so regularly is that even if you don't actually have some kind of question or update, I get to check in on you and be like, okay, tell me where you're at.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: And if there's any, if I smell any self-sabotage like coming in, then I get to, we get to have a conversation about it and smooth the waters so that you can keep moving forward without those kind of maybe, yeah, self-sabotaging behaviors entering your field, which maybe is why because you've been coming to so many calls, you just get to smooth sail all the way.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: Has it felt like smooth sailing for you?
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: And like even with the two calls a month, like every week, I'm like, I just want to, I'd love to come to two calls a week.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's just, and now that's like now that I'm working more in my business, unless in person I have more time to do that.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: But like even when I was working full-time, I could still make two calls a month, and like that worked fine.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: But they do calls on Sunday as well for this reason, FYI.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but no, it hasn't been easy.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was a bit of a unique situation for me because everything went really fast in the beginning, and then I got like maybe five clients in a very short period of time, like three of them in in like three days, which was just mental, um, but so exciting.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: But then, you know, they finished their five sessions or six sessions, and then um a couple, like a few, most of them re-signed, but if a couple of them had like a health issue, or you know, there was a reason they couldn't, which is fine.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but then I went back into like a little bit of a dip.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I was like, wow, okay, I thought I was like getting somewhere, like my goal is 10 clients to replace my income.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I'm like, I got up to five and I was getting there, I was getting there, and then you know, like things happen.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I wasn't getting any more sales calls and I wasn't closing on the sales calls, and then I found out it actually was a me problem in that situation.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I know sales isn't a personal, like as you say, but like I wasn't I wasn't doing all the things that I needed to be doing and like approaching those calls in more of a like I guess in more of a sales perspective.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then when I changed that, like it made everything change.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like I I did two webinars and I've gotten four clients from the first one, four or five clients.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to really celebrate this fucking phenomenal fact.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, just held just held a webinar.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: At first, she's like, Oh, only seven people came to the webinar.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: And how many clients signed up with you out of the seven?
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: Four, four, insane, insane.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that uh is super powerful.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: And anyway, we got to work on that webinar together.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Now you have it as something that you're gonna keep doing.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I think this is something that I I really want to share with the listener is about what's possible for online business.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, a lot of people come into the program and what they want is a client, and then they want two clients, and then they want three clients.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: And that would feel so good to have three clients or maybe 10 clients, right?
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: But the idea of having 10 clients means like so much marketing and it means so many sales calls.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: But actually, you are now in a position where you're scaling your marketing activities by doing like a one-to-many type marketing experience where you do a presentation or a webinar, and as many people as possible can fit in the Zoom room, can come, and then a whole bunch of them can sign up for a sales call with you.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: And you actually just did that the other day, which is now why you have eight more calls on your calendar over the next two days.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, which is like when it was happening, they were all just like clicking the QR card.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh my gosh, like, can I even like manage this?
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm gonna be in Indonesia.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: How am I gonna do this?
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, obviously the online part was fine, but just like, you know, figuring out UK time zones and things changing.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but no, webinars are amazing.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: I love them.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: I like honestly could not suggest them enough in the sense that what like I guess my next goal as well is being able to sell them directly from a webinar and not need that middle step.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_00: But I do like the middle step for this for my particular clients because I feel like they need that extra support and one-on-one time.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't mind doing that.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, if that's what makes their experience better, then that's why I'm doing this really.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, step by step by step.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like your business is literally less than six months old.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: So who knows what your business will look like six years from now, right?
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: My business is now six years old, and the way, the way that it looks so incredibly different from when I first started is insane.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I never would have imagined that I would have all the things that I have now.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it's it's just something that you build and and grow with over time.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: So sky is a limit, and uh yeah, now you have all the tools that you need to keep going with this.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, who knows?
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_01: We'll have to do a follow-up podcast maybe in another six months if you come back here and come back.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I just love with you.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: Bali is such a great place to come back.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: Very close for me.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: So good.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, so we're almost at time, but I think that um you have garnered so much wisdom over the past six months of going through this journey of going from you know, where Where we mentioned like you were feeling pretty stuck in your career, not sure what else was possible for you, um, just feeling like you really wanted to make a business, but was I even the right person for it?
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: And how can I?
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: To now having an established business that is in the process of scaling that's completely location independent.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: For someone who is where you were.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: So someone who's in maybe they're in their car right now, they're driving to work, they're listening to this, being like, wow, I would love to have that kind of freedom.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: Am I this kind of person?
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what would you say to them if you could channel some message for this person?
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'd say if you are a person, a human, then you are that person.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_00: Because like you you only like you can you can do whatever you want to do.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_00: You have free will and you can make your life what you want to be.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: I just think you need to take the step and realize it is hard work, but just work hard and then you'll get to the point where you don't have to work as hard anymore.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like you can still grow and scale, but you know, it's it's never gonna be as hard as it is in the beginning.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: So you may as well start now and get it over with and you know, see where it takes you because this whole indecision of being on the fence is even worse than saying yes or no.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like that was the worst thing for me, gave me so much anxiety, but just deciding like do the decision that you're gonna regret less when you're older.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's how I make my decisions.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I knew if I didn't do this now, and like one of my biggest limiting things was my age as well, is like I thought I was too young to start something like this.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, this is normally something people would start like in their 30s or their 40s.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_00: But then I thought, well, if I start now when I'm in my 30s, when I'm in my 40s, like I will have so much more knowledge and just get it done earlier in life.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: So that is actually so badass.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like, because you said you're um how old now?
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: 23.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you're 23.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: So that means you have girl, you got you got seven years to be on Forbes 30 under 30.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: That is so crazy, but so possible.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like, literally, sky is the limit.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, with everything that you've been learning about business and marketing now, like you who know who knows what you could create.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_01: This is really just the beginning, which is so exciting.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: So just want to say congratulations to an earlier version of yourself who took that brave leap into the unknown, but trusted herself and um and and worked hard.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like you have been working really hard.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I know that, you know, when you first joined the program, you were still working 40 hours a week, right?
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like you, you had a full-time engagement, and um, that meant that you were adding on extra work at the beginning, but slowly but surely you've been letting these baggage pieces go and creating more room and spaciousness for yourself.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_01: And um yeah, just you did that.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_01: So great job.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: With your help.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's been so awesome to have you in the program and and watch this grow.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm I'm personally very excited for the next six months and just seeing how how big we can make this thing.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: Sky's the limit.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm so happy to have you here.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, if anybody is listening and you are inspired by Jess, um, is there anywhere someone can reach out to you if they want to chat with you about what you do or your experience?
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so my um my Instagram for my business is called Energized Physiology.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's my the name of my virtual clinic.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then I've got a small Instagram page as well that is not yet being used utilized as well as it could be, but many things to do.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_00: Many things to do.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_00: For sure.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be looking good.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, so energized physiology on Instagram, and my website is about three days off being launched-ish.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: So cool.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_00: So by the time they listen to this, then your end of your website will be up.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so energize physiology.com.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody check it out.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: Energize with a with an S.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: Is there as we spell it with a Z English in America?
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: No, with an S, like the rest of the world.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: We're weird.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't know.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's weird.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you're not really American, you're like Indonesian.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I don't know if I count as Indonesian, but I definitely am a global citizen.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I would say that is what I identify with.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's the best.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: Mostly for sure.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, so that's how people can reach out to you.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_01: And if anybody wants to reach out to me, um, you can message me on Instagram at Christabella Travels.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: Please do actually message me.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like I really I respond to your messages.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: I love to hear from you.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_01: Half the time, your DMs inspire podcast episodes.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: So you're actually doing me a favor by just saying hello and letting me know where you're at.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_01: I also have the remote readiness rating calls, which we touched upon very briefly in this episode, but that is a free call.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's with a member of my team, but um she's amazing.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_01: She's actually been through my whole program too and is a location independent entrepreneur herself.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: She will listen to your story in depth, everything that you want to share, and then she'll give you a rating of how close she feels that you actually are to making this lifestyle happen.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_01: And uh if you're anything like Jess and if you're anything like anybody else that's ever joined my program, if you're anything like a former version of me, you're probably so much closer than you're giving yourself credit for.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_01: There's probably just one or two key little tweaks that need to happen in your life or in your mindset in order for you to go from where you are now, which could be, you know, in your commute, stuck in traffic, going to a job that you're okay with, but not in love with, going from there to having all the freedom, a career that you love, time to go to the gym in the in the daytime, time to pick up other hobbies, the ability to prioritize the sunset and have it as a non-negotiable on your calendar.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's, and of course, the ability to travel and live and be with anybody that you want to be with, wherever.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: Just sky truly is a limit.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_01: And um probably the only thing that's standing in your way is you because that's how it, that's how humanity and the human experience works.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: So again, send me a DM on at Christabella Travels on Instagram.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: You can send the keyword R R R for remote readiness rating, and um, I'll send you a link to book that call directly, or you can send apply if you actually just want to talk to me directly about the DNL.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, applying doesn't mean that you're definitely gonna join the program.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's just an opportunity for us to have a conversation where you answer some questions first.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: So lots of ways to get in touch, and um I hope that I do hear from you.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think that if you're someone who discovered this podcast, you're here for a reason.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_00: So Jess, any final words for our audience?
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_00: Don't think about it too hard.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's the worst thing you can do.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_00: Just don't think about it too hard.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: And just try it.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_01: They don't need to be in their bed agonizing over.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, that was the worst.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: Am I gonna do it?
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: Am I not gonna do it?
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: Am I gonna beauty sleep?
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: Am I really gonna follow my dreams or am I really gonna work until I'm 65 and then only travel when I'm older?
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, don't be that person.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: Just freaking go for it.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, all right.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for listening to the Digital Nomad Life podcast, and we'll see you in the next episode.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.