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Bama Bob talks College Football, Scott Dochterman talks Hawkeyes& Mr. Monday Night · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  Hour number two, Millery Condon, Iowa sports radio network, it's
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  Des Moines sports station one O 6.3 KX and Obama Bob momentarily
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  Scott Dockerman coming up covers the big 10 college football,
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  Iowa etcetera for the athletic. We'll hear from him then Mr.
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  Monday night a double dip here tonight.
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  I think there's 4/5 of them on the schedule this year, 2 of
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  them tonight. And then week #4 we get a couple
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  is a couple of people pointed out on the phone during the
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  break and baseball Betty in my text messages.
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  Moises by Esteros hit the ball his first Major League home run
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  that Anthony Rizzo dropped in the bleachers at Wrigley.
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  So thank you for that. Let's get to Bama.
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  And he joins us as we look back at college football.
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  Bama, Trenton, Ken. Really fun weekend I thought
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  overall. Oh my God.
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  You know, so many good games and all of the different time slots,
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  we're going to get to as many of them as we possibly can.
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  And then at some point we got to get to the ACC's innovation that
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  has got everybody talking, at least should, because that was
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  unbelievable. But let's go back to Friday.
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  The Big 12 is in the spotlight. Start there with a couple of
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  Friday games and I thought both of them were for the most part
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  pretty entertaining. A Houston's way better than I
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  thought. I think Trent's been on them for
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  a while. And Arizona and what was a non
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  conference game, K State in Arizona doing battle.
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  Just Trent back to Friday night. Yeah, the Big 12 over there all
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  you can start moving to Saturday, but where do you want
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  to? Go, you know, kind of Wigman.
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  I knew he was a runner, but boy, he's tough.
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  I mean, he's got some physicality to him now.
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  Is he going to be able to stay up upright for the full season?
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  I think that's a concern there. But was really impressed by the
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  toughness that we saw out of him and Kansas State.
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  There's something rotten inside that program.
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  There is something wrong going on there.
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  Just bad body language, bad decisions.
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  They appear to be in really deep trouble.
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  Yeah, I think you're 100% right. We'll see.
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  Does that mean anything for Kleiman, do you think?
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  I don't. Think so.
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  I think he's built up enough that one bad year is OK, but
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  there might have to be some changes.
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  Maybe that lost to Colin Klein. Bigger than people thought.
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  Yeah, he's now a Texas A&M's coordinator.
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  What about Avery Johnson? Did we miss on him?
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  The guy we're seeing now, yes. Yeah, that guy.
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  Yeah. Bama, we all three of us
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  thought, well, we can sell. We knew why.
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  Will Howard left town, goes to Ohio State, wins the national
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  champion. But my God, Avery Johnson must
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  be something. Dark horse Heisman.
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  Last year wasn't good. This year's been worse.
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  What's what's going on here, do you think?
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  Yeah, I don't know, because you, you look at him and you think,
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  wow, this guy's got some talent, you know, and, and again, he
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  shows flashes of it, but I don't, I don't know if it's
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  coach's system over hype or whatever, but he's he's just not
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  been good. I mean, there's no other way to
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  get around it. We we thought that, I mean,
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  that's and that's honestly why I had, you know, Kansas State is
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  one of my, you know, as we all did, you know, four or five
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  teams that you think can get into the Big 12 championship
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  game because they've got a quarterback and they've got a,
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  you know, coaching staff that's in there and, you know, they've
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  got some games at home that you think they could win.
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  And he this hasn't been good. I mean, I don't and I don't know
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  what it is, honestly. I mean, I watched a lot of that
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  the the opening game. I didn't see anything.
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  It gets North Dakota State or Army and I watched I watched a
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  decent amount of the game Friday night and and there's like you
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  heard it right. There's just something off.
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  I don't know what it is. I mean, I mean, obviously not
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  around the program. So but something just it's not
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  clicking there and I don't know what it is.
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  I agree with Trent. I think, you know, Wigman is I
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  mean, boy, he really fits nicely in that system.
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  Talking about a nice fit, a pleasant surprise and he is
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  tough. I mean, he is tough as nails
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  When we saw that at A&M too when he was down there.
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  I mean, there was a couple games he played where where he took
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  some hits. But yeah, I mean, those were
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  those were two really Good Friday night games.
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  I love those kind of Friday to matter.
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  You know, you're not getting the directional schools playing each
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  other and we got another one, you know, Iowa, Rutgers and a
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  huge, we can't wait Friday night.
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  Love it. And, and then, yeah.
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  And then Iowa State being off. So you get a free Saturday.
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  I couldn't be any happier. I was going to say, I mean,
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  perfect, right? Yeah.
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  Flip around as much as you want, go crazy.
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  But you know, the clones, I'm sure you guys have talked about
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  that was really, I don't know if Arkansas State's very good.
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  I'm not sure if that was a look ahead to the to the buyer or
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  whatever, but you know, that was kind of underwhelming, I guess.
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  I think the schedule took its toll, Bama.
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  I think it did. That's what that's what I would
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  agree, yeah. Yeah.
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  And I don't discount that because, listen, they came back
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  from Ireland and handled the business.
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  Yep, they played their rival. Yep.
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  They played their rival, so yeah, you know, and then now
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  this is the game before my week. So I mean that I think, I think
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  I don't discount that. I really don't.
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  And you know, people just say, oh, it doesn't matter.
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  You gotta get up every week. Wait, that's just not the way it
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  works, right? So we all know that, but good
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  for them. I mean, all you can be right now
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  is four and. Oh, and they're four and.
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  Oh, so and they've got a conference win.
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  So that's that's probably as good as you could be.
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  Do they have issues maybe things to work on?
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  Sure. I think right now if I'm looking
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  at this conference, I would probably put them.
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  I think the game of the week is Saturday, but.
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  I do too. I agree.
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  I was just going to say I would put, I will put Iowa State and
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  we know a lot can change. I put them in that group maybe
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  with Arizona State and TCU just a notch behind Utah and Texas
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  because that's a big, they're both those teams look really,
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  really good. That's a good win for Utah.
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  I know it was Wyoming on the road, whatever.
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  But I mean, that's just that's a going, that's a 28 to 6, you
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  know, thumping in the second-half, right?
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  A really slow start to the game. They came out, they did it the
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  way they wanted to do it. Yeah, it was 3.
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  Nothing in the half, right? Yeah, 3 nothings at halftime,
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  right? So, you know, Dan, Dan Piero
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  looks really good. I think.
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  I think that's something I think about something going there and
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  I'm kind of regretting my Arizona State pick a little bit.
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  But I think this they'll they'll have something to say about it.
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  Sure. But yeah, I think Utah and Texas
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  Tech right now, that game, that game Saturday in Salt Lake City
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  is going to be big. And it's 10:00 local kick, which
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  I don't like because I think it's, you know, isn't the Fox
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  big news? I can't stand.
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  I just can't. Why?
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  You know, I understand, but why are you going to kick a football
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  game off and in the morning? But could change so.
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  Right. Exactly.
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  Yeah, we know why. No big mystery, but yeah, Big
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  12, you know, about what we thought.
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  It's kind of a soup right now. And some teams are kind of
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  rising and I think those are two that are kind of separating
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  themselves a little. Bit did you see any brawl Trent
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  of Backyard Brawl? Yeah, quite a bit.
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  Did you? Yeah.
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  What did you think Rich Rod got a?
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  No, he didn't. The team's not very good.
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  It was right for a game, anything can happen.
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  That's what it was. I mean, he played that game.
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  He'd take the rivalry aspect behind.
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  Yeah, Pitt's a lot better football team rivalry.
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  And Rich Rod got his revenge after that loss that we talked
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  about last week, the last time he was there with West Virginia.
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  All right. I don't mean jersey special,
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  wasn't it? We talked about that Friday.
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  I mean, he's going to lose a game that he's got.
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  He's got better team, he has the better team, right?
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  Yeah, and they lose it. But anyway, whatever.
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  Yeah, it was. We knew going in it wasn't the
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  shiniest week in in the Big 10, Trent.
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  I got a bone to pick with somebody.
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  What is it? James Franklin, What did?
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  He do. Threw a touchdown on the last
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  play of the game to win 52 six and get inside the number.
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  I didn't have a bet on the game. It's not being being a
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  degenerate. I thought they blew the cover.
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  The game was blown at the very last play of the game the other
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  way. I I must have read that wrong.
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  James Franklin, he does this all the time now.
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  They did give up the score. This was with two minutes left.
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  He's still throwing the ball around to get inside the number
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  at that point. And thank God the Villanova got
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  there. James Franklin, though.
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  Play the game, I think. James Franklin doing these
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  things time in and time out, He's just, he's not an easy
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  person to wrap your mind around. He's a bad person.
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  Worry more about actually beating somebody good as opposed
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  to covering the number against these tomato cans.
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  He is just such an unlikeable figure.
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  Anything else in the Big 10 that's enough?
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  That is. That's good, though.
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  I'm glad you got that out of your system.
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  What did you see in the Big 10 Bama?
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  Well, what I saw Friday nights, what we talked about and the
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  cost of Sean Foster's job, you know, that the UCLA right now,
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  they might be the worst team in America.
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  I mean, I'm, they're, I think they're the worst Power Five
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  team. They're they're worse than a lot
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  of Power Four teams, as they proved Friday night.
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  New Mexico just went in there and absolutely thumped them in
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  front of about maybe 20,000 fans on a Friday night.
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  In a way, there is just nothing going on in that program and it
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  might about be about to get worse because you know when you
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  fire a coach. Everybody can leave.
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  Everybody's gone, baby, so I don't know what they're going to
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  do there. And again, this is just, I don't
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  know, I don't know that this really has anything to do with
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  realignment. But I mean, they they can't be
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  in a good position out there. They they got to be bleeding
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  money a little bit. Now they're going to have to
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  bring in another coaching staff, you know, whoever wants that
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  job. You know, Chip Kelly left to
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  become a coordinator, OK? He left UCLA to become a
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  coordinator, OK, Let that sink in about how bad that program
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  is. They didn't fire him.
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  He left. So I just think there's just
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  nothing there. I'm I'm with you on Franklin.
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  I mean, God, just he's so and I really like Penn State.
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  I have that's always been one of those teams that I don't know
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  why I kind of always, you know, sort of like them rooted for
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  him. I find that really hard.
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  And I like their players. I really like our and some of
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  their players, But you can't root for that guy.
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  He's just he's just a he's got no moral compass.
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  I don't know how else to put it. You know, Wisconsin didn't offer
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  much resistance against Alabama, as expected.
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  Not a whole lot. I mean, like you said, kind of a
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  yarn. I felt bad for Purdue with the
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  three hour rain delay. Yeah.
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  Oh, I didn't know that was there.
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  That's too bad. Yeah, You know, I'm flipping
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  over about 2:30. I'm just going to watch this.
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  And, you know, rain delay. And it was a they had the
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  lightning delay 30 minutes before kickoff is everybody's in
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  the stadium, everybody's out there warming up and then they
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  have the lightning delay. They got to empty it and it's 3
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  hours late kicking off. But you know, Purdue and there's
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  no moral victories. Anybody will tell you that.
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  But they kind of hung around and if I think they had three
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  turnovers in the red zone, 3 picks in the red zone.
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  So, you know, I'm not taking too much away from this if I'm USD,
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  I think the delay probably helped them because, you know,
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  the three hour body clock change or whatever it was.
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  So but I've kind of felt bad for them.
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  But other than that, it's kind of a, you know, a ho hum week, I
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  guess. You know, Oregon did what they
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  were supposed to, Ohio State did what they were supposed to,
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  Illinois did what they were supposed to.
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  You know, So other than, you know, more negative, I guess,
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  and and then positive in the Big 10 this week.
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  All right, let's go to the SEC and get your thoughts on on that
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  conference, Trent. Georgia, Texas or Georgia?
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  Tennessee rather was an Alzheimer and LSU.
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  Florida wasn't bad either. Yeah, a whole night of it.
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  Ole Miss, Arkansas, Ole Miss walking wooded unit with
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  Simmons. We talked about him last week
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  with his injury, he was limping around out there.
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  Still got it done. Arkansas is going to beat
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  somebody, maybe maybe Notre Dame.
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  We talked about that at the top. Petrino, he's got that offense
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  cooked up and Taylor Green, he might be the most entertaining
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  guy to watch in the country. He is so much fun and played so
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  well in that one against Old Miss.
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  Overall, just a great week in Florida.
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  Speaking of big jobs, we had two firings this week.
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  Boy DJ leg way, 5 interceptions in the game.
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  Bama. Who are people talking about for
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  the next Gator head coach? Well, there's a lot of names,
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  you know, people are, you know, throwing out and some of them
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  are stupid, right? You know, Nick Saban, not
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  happening, right? You know, one name that I see a
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  lot, guys. And he said he wants to get back
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  into coaching and that's Jon Gruden, and he's sitting right
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  there. He's never coached in college.
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  I don't know that that would be a terrible hire for them if they
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  can, if they can get him. But you know, it's it's, I don't
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  think it's going to happen. I don't think they can afford
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  it, guys. I mean, again, the buyout is
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  just NIL. I think, and maybe I'm proven
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  wrong for all but a handful of programs.
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  I think NIL has changed the way that you can hire and fire
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  coaches because you've got these enormous buyouts now.
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  Like, you know, we're talking about the board down here after
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  the Florida State game. Well, he's got a $70 million
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  buyout. You're going to have to pay
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  probably that much to hire a new staff.
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  And oh, by the way, you've got about a, you know, I don't know,
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  15 to $20 million NIL bill year over year to keep the current
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  roster. Alabama don't have that kind of
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  money. OK, maybe Texas does.
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  Maybe A&M does. Well, they used to, but they're
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  paying 78 million to Jimbo Fisher, for crying out loud.
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  Right, exactly. So, but you know, there's
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  78,000,000 oil money out, right? There's oil money out until I
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  mean, but again, I don't know, I'm not a member of any of those
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  programs, but I just know that a lot of these coaches are going
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  to probably hang around because the buyouts are prohibited.
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  But you mentioned Lagway. I mean, that was awful.
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  And I was texting a couple of Florida buddies amount of money.
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  Is there a Plan B? And they got Emery Jones down
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  there and they said there's really not.
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  I'm like, well, whoever the backup is needs more reps this
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  week because all five of those interceptions were poor
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  decisions by Lagway. Not, not anything, you know, tip
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  ball over the middle or whatever.
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  They were just poor decisions at the wrong time in the double
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  coverage. You contrast that to what we saw
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  in Knoxville and I thought Aguilar and oh God, the torch,
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  Aquarius, Stockton, Stockton, Stockton.
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  I mean, boy, that dime that he dropped right at the end was was
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  just a thing of beauty. I mean, that was a Russell
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  Wilson kind of throw. I mean, just right on the pylon
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  in the cone and in the corner of the end front corner.
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  But that was that was just a great game.
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  But same old story for Tennessee, right?
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  Can't beat Georgia or they you know, he slayed the he slayed
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  the Florida dragon, he slayed the Alabama dragon.
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  I think he's beating LSU. He can't get past that.
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  So you know, but again, I think they're a playoff team.
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  They started out that game, the first three drives.
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  I'm like, George is going to give up 55 here.
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  But you know, Kirby Smart, again, he doesn't panic.
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  We talked about it, doesn't panic.
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  They don't get flustered. They'll figure it out And and
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  they did and, but just a great game, you know, I feel bad for
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  South Carolina, you know, Sellers.
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  But good for Clark Lee though, right?
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  Good for Clark Lee and good for Vanderbilt.
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  I don't think that game they might have won anyway.
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  I'm not taking anything away from them.
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  It wouldn't have been 31 to 7 sellers play.
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  OK, OK. So I told you that they're going
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  to beat somebody and they they're going to probably be a
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  couple more before it's over with.
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  I thought it was a huge win for A&M.
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  Yep. Bad loss for Notre Dame.
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  I saw their playoff chances are now.
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  If you want to, you know, get into the analytics or below 10%.
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  Are they really? That's that's what ESPN said.
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  You know, their playoff predictor, whatever it is,
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  they're sitting at 8% right now. Keeping in mind their name is
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  Notre Dame and it's still 10%. Exactly.
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  So I mean, but we talked about it, what what's left on their
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  schedule, you go, wow, it's a good win.
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  Unless you were a. Championship game, they can't,
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  they can't get in that route. They can't win a conference and
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  back in. So, you know, Ole Miss, do we
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  have a quarterback controversy down there?
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  I mean, their backup came in and played phenomenal in that game.
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  And he threw for 350 yards and he ran for a couple more
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  touchdowns. Chambliss.
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  Chambliss. Yeah.
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  I mean, I don't know. I mean, Lane Kiffin usually goes
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  with a hot hand. But we'll we'll see what happens
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  there. Alabama, nobody's going to care
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  about that win, you know, until they beat Georgia in two weeks.
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  They both teams have a buy this week, so that's kind of your
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  game of the week in two weeks, but kind of an eventful week,
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  you know, really good week. Florida's a mess, and us along
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  with Florida being a mess, guys, LSU didn't exactly light it.
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  Up. No, they didn't.
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  I'm with you. I mean you take away.
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  Don't ask Brian Kelly about it, though.
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  Really. But he was salty.
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  Right. Oh God, he talked about
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  insufferable. Here's another guy that's just
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  impossible to root for, right? You know, and, and, but look,
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  they scored thirteen points. You take away a pick 6, which
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  you know, is scored by the defense, not the offense.
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  And that game is 13 to 10. And that's a it's a totally
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  different game. Even with five interceptions,
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  that game should have been that game should have been over early
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  and they couldn't, they couldn't put them away.
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  Florida's defense is better, but LSU is something's going on
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  there on offense. They got another Southwest Tech
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  Louisiana directional school this week before they really get
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  into it again. So before they get into the rest
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  of it. So they got some things all.
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  Right before we get to the ACC scores, Trent and I talked about
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  this earlier. We both absolutely love it.
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  Bama, you pointed out in our text thread, we're both watching
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  at the same time and just in awe of what we are listening to and
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  watching is the transparency. We were taken behind the
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  curtain, which is awesome as they the replay room was was
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  live. We're listening to everything
• 17:03
  they said while they were talking to the white hat,
• 17:05
  etcetera. This has to catch on, I would
• 17:09
  think power for conference wide, right, don't you think?
• 17:12
  See the Big 12, the Big 10, the SEC catching up to this.
• 17:15
  I it's just phenomenal. We have to see this.
• 17:18
  You have to see it. And guys, I remember what the
• 17:23
  I'd seen it before in a game and I'm like, well, that's pretty
• 17:25
  cool. But when I'm watching that
• 17:26
  Georgia Tech cleansing game, which was a phenomenal football.
• 17:30
  Really good, wasn't it? It really was.
• 17:31
  I mean, this old school, I mean, there's some guys that are going
• 17:35
  to just have a be in the ice tub this week on both teams.
• 17:39
  I mean, just beat the crap out of each other.
• 17:41
  Loved it. But on that one replay review,
• 17:43
  you know, and they called it a touchdown on the field.
• 17:46
  And I give Lewis Riddick credit. He's like, I don't know, guys.
• 17:49
  And they went over reviewed it. And the second they flip it on,
• 17:52
  you know, you just hear the conversation and what they're
• 17:55
  looking at and they're, they're, they're trying to be, you know
• 17:59
  the thing I like about it, right?
• 18:00
  You get a demeanor, you get a sense of the like the referees
• 18:03
  demeanor. Is he calm?
• 18:05
  Is he rattled? Is he confused?
• 18:07
  Do they not know what the hell they're doing?
• 18:09
  You know, both sides of it, right?
• 18:11
  But you just see him working through, OK, we got this shot,
• 18:13
  we got this shot, we got this shot.
• 18:15
  OK, go back to this. We'll go back to your overhead,
• 18:16
  whatever it is. And he goes, Yep, I see him
• 18:18
  have, you know, he's got control.
• 18:20
  But then he bobbles it and by the time he regains it, it's out
• 18:22
  of bounds. And then, you know, you think,
• 18:24
  OK, well, that's done. Well, OK, where are we with the
• 18:26
  clock? Are we good with?
• 18:27
  That's. Awesome.
• 18:27
  You know, I mean everything, the down marker, the down marker,
• 18:32
  right? Are we down marker?
• 18:33
  OK, all that stuff is just phenomenal what you have to go
• 18:36
  through And the thing that I think is and here's where I
• 18:39
  think you have have to do it if you're the other conferences,
• 18:42
  it's not just cool, right? And it is very cool.
• 18:45
  I for transparency, man. And whether we like it or
• 18:49
  whether we don't, we've got gambling proliferating through
• 18:53
  college football, right? And we've got payer players
• 18:56
  getting paid. And I can't tell you how many
• 18:58
  times I've, you know, been on, you know, seen the old chat room
• 19:02
  stuff, right, where replay, Oh, well, this Vegas buzzer and this
• 19:06
  guy went to there, right? So you can see, you know,
• 19:09
  exactly what they're going through and exactly what they're
• 19:13
  looking at in order to come up with the decision on the field.
• 19:17
  And I think it just takes away 99% of the conspiracy theories
• 19:23
  that can happen in a situation like that about, you know, well,
• 19:26
  this guy went to the daughter, goes to this school.
• 19:28
  So that's why they called that an obvious, you know, whatever.
• 19:31
  And so whether you ultimately agree with it or whether you
• 19:34
  don't, and sometimes it's just upheld because they don't have a
• 19:37
  Clearview, right? And you're always going to have
• 19:38
  your conspiracy. Theory.
• 19:40
  We would have heard them discussing that they don't have
• 19:42
  a Clearview. Exactly, exactly, 100%.
• 19:46
  And you're always going to have your nuts out there.
• 19:48
  They're just going to, everything's a conspiracy,
• 19:50
  right? It's like every rigged, rigged,
• 19:52
  rigged, rigged, rigged, right. But I mean, my gosh, you, you
• 19:56
  absolutely 100% have to have it is the best thing I've seen.
• 20:01
  Since the yellow line was what Trent and I came up with.
• 20:04
  Exactly, 100% is exactly where I was going from the yellow line.
• 20:09
  And especially since we started with nil and gambling and
• 20:14
  betting and all this type of thing and you know, live bets
• 20:16
  and props and all this kind of stuff.
• 20:18
  I mean, it is the best thing that I've seen and it is
• 20:21
  phenomenal. And if the SEC and Big 10 and
• 20:24
  Big 12 don't get on board, then we need to have a congressional
• 20:27
  hearing to make them because it would just eliminate a lot of
• 20:30
  stuff. Man, that was good.
• 20:31
  I can't. I'm geek, so you can tell which
• 20:34
  is, you know, stabbed in his own way, but it's just, it was just
• 20:37
  phenomenal. It really was, Trent one asked
• 20:39
  about one game, so we got like 30 seconds left.
• 20:42
  I thought Boston. When I watched Michigan State
• 20:45
  and Boston College, I thought, well, maybe Michigan.
• 20:47
  Michigan State's OK, but Boston College goes to Stanford and
• 20:50
  gets beat. By clock we talk about we talk
• 20:54
  about it with West Coast teams coming back and playing those
• 20:57
  early kickoffs. That's a late night for BC, as
• 21:00
  we're going to see with Michigan State coming up with Washington
• 21:02
  here in a couple of weeks. Clemson, Georgia Tech was
• 21:05
  phenomenal, South Florida clock struck midnight.
• 21:09
  I think that's basically it. But we got to run, brother.
• 21:12
  We're out of time. But thanks as always.
• 21:14
  We'll have a really tough slated game, good slated games to get
• 21:17
  through when we reconvene Friday at 1:00.
• 21:20
  All right, bud. Sounds good guys.
• 21:22
  Take care, have. A good week.
• 21:23
  See you, buddy. Bama, Bob, Trent and I recap on
• 21:25
  the week in college football. Scott Docman next.
• 21:28
  Miller and I Miller and I'm Miller and Condon talking sports
• 21:31
  with with you. Thanks for being with us on the
• 21:34
  Iowa Sports Radio Network. Hi, Miller.
• 21:48
  Condon, welcome back. Iowa Sports Radio Network.
• 21:52
  Trent Condon, Ken Miller with you until well the top of the
• 21:56
  hour. Let's get to Scott Dockman wrote
• 21:58
  a good piece on Kirk Ference breaking Woody Hayes mark over
• 22:02
  the weekend as I was stuck past UMass on Saturday night and Doc
• 22:07
  joins us. Doc, Trent and Ken, good to talk
• 22:09
  to you. I did not know about the cake,
• 22:11
  Doc, until I read your read your column at the Athletic.
• 22:16
  But I guess Hayden got a cake and Ference did not get a cake,
• 22:20
  but he did does have the record. Good to talk to you, Doc.
• 22:23
  How are you? I'm doing well.
• 22:26
  Yeah. Yeah, certainly he yeah.
• 22:30
  He had a cake coming off the field into the locker room from
• 22:34
  Terry Branstad and Hunter Rawlings, the president of Iowa
• 22:37
  at the time, to celebrate his 100th win back in 1991 when they
• 22:42
  beat Minnesota. And that was the snow game when
• 22:45
  the snow angels were going for with Dane and Hughes.
• 22:48
  So there wasn't very many people there because it was a Blizzard.
• 22:52
  But yeah, that's, I guess those days are long gone when when
• 22:56
  state officials celebrate people, you know, having
• 23:00
  milestones and at universities, at least the one in the eastern
• 23:03
  part of the state. You know, Doc, yes, of course
• 23:08
  Iowa would have liked to get the win against Iowa State the week
• 23:10
  before, but there was something special being in Kinnock Stadium
• 23:14
  and also having Anthony Heron on the call, a guy that helped
• 23:17
  bridge that gap there. You can see how special it was
• 23:20
  for Anthony as he was doing that on field interview afterwards
• 23:23
  and and a longer one than normally get over the PA.
• 23:26
  Yeah, you want to have that win against Iowa State.
• 23:29
  But I think this will be a special memory for Kirk, the
• 23:31
  family and and for a lot of Hawkeye fans just being in
• 23:34
  Kinnock and having somebody that was part of that build, part of
• 23:37
  the 218 two and 18 start to be able to do the on field
• 23:40
  interview after the game. Yeah, it was certainly poetic
• 23:44
  justice to have Anthony there and Anthony's turn into, you
• 23:47
  know, a very talented broadcaster over the last, you
• 23:50
  know, 10 to 15 years. And, and to have him there to be
• 23:53
  able to call the game. I was texting in the middle of
• 23:55
  the week. I said, hey, no pressure, but
• 23:57
  you know, your call from this game and then what you have and
• 24:00
  what you're going to do on the field that's going to be
• 24:02
  replayed for, you know, for decades to come for, you know,
• 24:06
  big 10 networkers there for the big moments, Unlike it's a
• 24:10
  commissioner. And so I think that when you
• 24:12
  have that, you know, and have somebody like Anthony Heron
• 24:16
  there to to really kind of tie a bow on how challenging this it
• 24:22
  really was for Kirk to get off the mat.
• 24:25
  I my our headline, my headline then was, you know, from 2 and
• 24:28
  18 to two O 6 and you know, back in 99 and 2000, nobody would
• 24:33
  have thought that this was possible been more likely that
• 24:36
  he'll be fired by 2002 then go 8 O and two in the big 10.
• 24:41
  So it was good to have him there And and I agree with you, you
• 24:44
  know, going into the season or even taking all the way back to
• 24:48
  the bowl game against Mizzou in some ways I'm like, you know
• 24:51
  what, it'd be a shame if he broke it against Albany in the
• 24:54
  season opener just because there's nothing at stake.
• 24:57
  But but I think in hindsight, now you look at it and it's
• 25:00
  probably better that you you're people are able to celebrate him
• 25:05
  and do it in a way that, you know, was really kind of
• 25:07
  uncomfortable for him because he just doesn't like that stuff.
• 25:10
  But but I think also he's it's richly deserved based on his
• 25:13
  career. So to make the day and the night
• 25:16
  about him, have him kind of be the focus for the, you know, Big
• 25:19
  10 network. And I I thought it was really a
• 25:21
  good touch. I, I did too.
• 25:23
  And you know what I and in your peace talk, I like I like the
• 25:27
  the self reflection too from Ferris when it sounds like, you
• 25:30
  know, when he himself realized after the bad start to his
• 25:34
  career, this just might not work.
• 25:36
  That was the only time seemingly that he's questioned himself and
• 25:39
  I when obviously we know how it turned out.
• 25:41
  But just the fact back then, even he realized he heard the
• 25:44
  calls that maybe this isn't going to be for him.
• 25:48
  Yeah, when he he's mentioned it a few times and he really, I, I
• 25:53
  had A Midsummer interview with him where he, he really kind of
• 25:56
  described that, that moment when Sam Aiella went down and, you
• 26:00
  know, it's like a shot, he said. And you just go, you know, maybe
• 26:05
  this isn't it. And, and for actually for him to
• 26:07
  admit that he spent, you know, part of that night just kind of
• 26:10
  wondering is this going to happen?
• 26:11
  It it really kind of shows. That it's it's.
• 26:14
  These guys aren't robots, you know that.
• 26:16
  They are human and, and things happen and but then for him to,
• 26:20
  you know, next day, hey, let's go, you know, and, and that's
• 26:23
  kind of been the hallmark of his career and why I've said it
• 26:27
  before that he's what what to me is the the separator from him
• 26:32
  from being an average coach to a very good upper level coach is
• 26:35
  the ability to to conquer adversity when the team is
• 26:42
  struggling, when you have a bad loss or there's something bad
• 26:45
  off the field and it looks like, oh man, this team's going to
• 26:48
  really fall apart, that they pull it all together and they
• 26:51
  make it work. And a lot of times they have
• 26:53
  epic wins out of those situations.
• 26:55
  And that's not just an average coach that can do that,
• 26:58
  especially in a place like Iowa. I mean, it really takes a
• 27:02
  tremendous coach to do those things And, and Kirk has done
• 27:05
  that over the course of his career.
• 27:07
  So I think that's that's a testament, I think that he's
• 27:10
  he's been able to do. Doc you no college football
• 27:13
  history as well as anybody. This is a record for the Big 10.
• 27:17
  It's hard to put it in context. We're talking about a lot of
• 27:19
  different eras, a lot of different guys, and the
• 27:21
  longevity is definitely a part of it.
• 27:24
  Now where where does Kurt Ferret sit when you talk about the
• 27:27
  pantheon in the Big 10? In college football, when we
• 27:29
  talk about great coaches, there's not going to be a
• 27:31
  national championship to Big 10 titles.
• 27:34
  Where does Kurt kind of sit when you look at it in the big
• 27:37
  picture view? That's a great question because
• 27:41
  I think in some ways you you kind of equate it to what you
• 27:44
  see with maybe passing statistics in the NFL.
• 27:48
  Like is you know, there's going to be quarterbacks coming up and
• 27:53
  then you're going to have 50,000 yards and you look at a guy like
• 27:55
  Troy Aikman, you're like, you're not even close.
• 27:57
  But you weren't any good. It's like he was pretty good.
• 28:00
  It's just a different era. And I think you got to do the
• 28:03
  same thing here with with Kirk. I mean, he has the most losses
• 28:06
  in Big 10 history too. So which means that he's coached
• 28:10
  the most games and his longevity is something to really be cold.
• 28:14
  But I don't, I don't think anybody and probably himself
• 28:17
  would put his career on the same level as of what B Hayes or
• 28:20
  Beauchembach or each of whom won 13 Big 10 titles.
• 28:24
  You know, he has been in that conversation.
• 28:27
  So I don't know that he's in that category.
• 28:30
  But I think when you start to go, you know, somewhere between,
• 28:35
  you know, and I have to look at the whole list and make this big
• 28:38
  analysis, But, you know, somewhere between 5 and 15 I
• 28:41
  think is fair because he does have the most wins in the Big
• 28:45
  10. He's been there from, you know,
• 28:48
  when they were an 11 year 11 team league to now an 18 team
• 28:51
  league from the going from largely regional to to national.
• 28:55
  He was there eight years before BTN came into existence, but way
• 29:00
  before the CFP became the thing. And he had his teams in two
• 29:06
  different decades go undefeated in the regular season.
• 29:09
  So I think that's he's definitely top 10 to me, you
• 29:14
  know, top upper echelon. You got to get kind of, I got to
• 29:17
  win national titles or at least win, you know, a handful or more
• 29:21
  Big 10 titles before I probably put you at #1.
• 29:24
  No, but I do like the way Gary Danielson put it in your peace
• 29:26
  talk. And because he he thinks about
• 29:28
  Iowa coaches, he says and he quote, he's quoted to say I
• 29:32
  think of Hayden first. But when it comes to what he
• 29:35
  did, and I want to find the quote right in front of me
• 29:38
  because of the 10 win seasons, where the hell is it?
• 29:43
  The fact that that's almost like winning a national?
• 29:45
  Here it is. I think you can make an argument
• 29:46
  though. The number of 10 win seasons
• 29:48
  he's had at Iowa for 27 years might be equal to winning a
• 29:52
  national championship at Michigan or at Ohio State.
• 29:55
  You have to remember where he's doing this at.
• 29:58
  Exactly, and and there is a different level of of
• 30:01
  difficulty. It it honestly, I feel like the
• 30:05
  best coaching job I've ever seen in college sports, college
• 30:09
  football is Bill Snyder resurrecting or not even
• 30:12
  resurrecting. I mean, dad, it was he was in an
• 30:15
  urn. You know, he was in an urn and
• 30:17
  he brought it to life, you know, and but I think Kirk and and
• 30:22
  Hayden too, and are in that category because they did it at
• 30:26
  a place as we all know and love that this state doesn't produce,
• 30:30
  you know, 30 Division 1 caliber prospects.
• 30:33
  Now, they may be built into that at both the universities now,
• 30:37
  but certainly Iowa for most of Kirk's career where, you know,
• 30:40
  he could grab some Joe, you know, from some small town and
• 30:42
  turn them into a starter, but but they aren't ready made.
• 30:46
  And for him to do it time after time after time, you know, it
• 30:48
  really shows his ability and, and prowess as a coach.
• 30:52
  And of course, there's some legitimate this, you know,
• 30:55
  detractions. I think, you know, having his
• 30:57
  son is OC is something that really does stand out to me.
• 31:01
  Because when you, you, you honestly have to wonder, OK,
• 31:05
  how, how much better would they have been with somebody else in
• 31:07
  that chair? And I think that's that's
• 31:09
  something legitimacy you add to the resume, but it doesn't
• 31:13
  detract overall from how good of a coach he is.
• 31:16
  Well, you're there for the coordination.
• 31:18
  Kirk Ference breaking the record, but there was, yes, a
• 31:20
  football game that was played out there.
• 31:22
  Some signs of life out of the passing game, albeit against the
• 31:25
  UMass. We put the caveat in there.
• 31:27
  I'll give us a take away in the passing game.
• 31:29
  And is there hope going forward as Big 10 play begins Friday
• 31:33
  night? You know what it was, it was
• 31:36
  good to see them be able to to attack down the field first two
• 31:40
  possessions to really decide. And and that's what part of the
• 31:44
  pregame plan was, was to really go down the field.
• 31:47
  And and I think that was a confidence boost that you can't
• 31:52
  imagine for this program to be able to do that for the
• 31:55
  receivers. There's still too many drops.
• 31:57
  There are four more that I counted, and that's just too
• 32:00
  many. You can't have that, you know,
• 32:02
  maybe one to two Max a game. And the last two games combined,
• 32:06
  they've had eight. You know, that's something
• 32:08
  that's got to be rectified. You know, and maybe there needs
• 32:11
  to be some strong words for the the position coach if you keep
• 32:14
  doing it that way. But then and I, I think Mark
• 32:17
  Gronowski is is take is taking stride as a quarterback.
• 32:21
  He's playing at a better level than I was had at that position
• 32:24
  for a little while. And we'll know a little bit more
• 32:26
  this week. But you know, as far as the the
• 32:30
  big picture goes, this is a team that can't afford to think big
• 32:33
  picture. It's limited.
• 32:36
  It's got some skill, it's got the ability to get better.
• 32:39
  But if you look at the aggregate of the schedule, it'll just eat
• 32:42
  you a lie. They got to focus on the task at
• 32:44
  hand. I think they're going to be in a
• 32:45
  lot of close games. I think this one may be close to
• 32:48
  against Rutgers on a short week because I think Rutgers may be a
• 32:51
  little bit better than they have been in the past.
• 32:53
  And Greg Schiano is a really good coach.
• 32:55
  So it's going to be about how, how do they handle close tough
• 33:00
  situations and, and can they grow from them?
• 33:03
  And, and I think they can, but, but again, you can't get too far
• 33:06
  ahead of yourself or it's just going to collapse on you.
• 33:09
  What what a difference a week makes, and I dare say the
• 33:11
  opponent as well, but Kaden Wegen, he couldn't look any any
• 33:16
  worse than he did against Iowa State.
• 33:17
  Was his worst game as a Hawkeye seemingly, but then he comes out
• 33:21
  against UMass and and just put his stake right in the ground.
• 33:25
  What? What a game he had, Doc.
• 33:29
  It was, you know, that that punch that he fielded at his
• 33:32
  five. I'm like.
• 33:33
  What are you doing? I mean you.
• 33:35
  Know just let it go. And.
• 33:37
  Said, you know, yeah, I mean, it was just well, it officially it
• 33:42
  was unfortunately for him at the five, it was at the four he
• 33:45
  would he would have the Big 10 record for long.
• 33:47
  Oh no, really. League history, yeah.
• 33:50
  So officially it was a 95, but to have that and be able to
• 33:54
  return and he had a really good return earlier too.
• 33:56
  And then of course, his touchdown run, you know, really
• 34:00
  an impressive week for him and and it showed he was able to
• 34:02
  bounce back because, you know, Charlie Jones had a couple of
• 34:06
  those types of games too, where he really stunk and then all of
• 34:08
  a sudden, boom, you know, he had, you know, some amazing
• 34:11
  moments And and I, you know, in Iowa for a while was really bad
• 34:15
  at returning punts and kickoffs too.
• 34:18
  I even, I go back to like Micah Hyde, who was unfair to him
• 34:21
  because he was a good Turner, but he didn't get to do it.
• 34:24
  But then you look at since Amir Smith, Marcette and Charlie
• 34:27
  Jones and Cooper, you know, Kevante Martin and Manley wasn't
• 34:31
  bad. You know, Cooper obviously was
• 34:33
  fantastic. And now, now with Kate Wegen,
• 34:37
  they've really had some really good returners and, you know,
• 34:41
  some records being set and he was, you know, he was he was
• 34:45
  only just a few yards, you know, maybe one big return away from
• 34:48
  from retaking that record, you know, with from Will likely who
• 34:51
  took it from now Kennett for single gain yard on record
• 34:55
  cards. Yeah.
• 34:56
  Good stuff, Scott Docman, The Athletic Dock, what have you got
• 34:59
  coming up this week? I'm covering Illinois and
• 35:02
  Indiana, which is the biggest game in that series is history,
• 35:05
  no question. So I'm excited about that and
• 35:07
  I'm writing about kind of a preview on that.
• 35:09
  I'm doing a Big 10 mailbag, so you know, that's kind of fun.
• 35:13
  I haven't done a mailbag for a while since I was doing
• 35:15
  exclusively Iowa 1, so I'm kind of in the middle of that.
• 35:19
  It's kind of fun thus far. Good stuff, doc.
• 35:21
  We'll look forward to it. Thank you, Doc.
• 35:23
  We'll talk to you next week. Appreciate it.
• 35:25
  All right. See you guys.
• 35:26
  See, but Scott Dockerman from the athletic heck of a fun game
• 35:30
  really was even the opponent was overmatched.
• 35:32
  Yes, Mr. Monday night, he's next.
• 35:34
  He's got a double dip to get into Miller and Condon talking
• 35:37
  sports with you on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
• 35:41
  I'm Hillary Condon, welcome back.
• 35:43
  Final couple of minutes here on a Monday.
• 35:45
  Some breaking news pursuant to the Vikings.
• 35:48
  JJ McCarthy's already been ruled out that for this Sunday versus
• 35:52
  Cincinnati. So Browning versus Wentz will be
• 35:56
  the match up in that one. Do you pick up the phone 4, Do
• 36:01
  you even let him out of the Twin Cities?
• 36:03
  Or, you know, walk across the field and say, Kurt, time to
• 36:06
  come home, we need you. You're out on McCarthy.
• 36:11
  Stinks told you. I had that.
• 36:15
  That's what told you. Caleb Williams.
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  Yeah, I'm going to eat a little crow on that one.
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  But JJ McCarthy is been ruled out for this week.
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  All right, let's get Mr. Monday Night in here.
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  Double dip Tampa at Houston Chargers Raiders.
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  Mr. Monday Night has not lost this year.
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  How about that? What a no Tupac.
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  Yes. Texans Anderson 2 1/2.
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  Yes. Raiders Plus 3 1/2.
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  So if the Chargers cover in our little afternoon soiree US
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  versus the afternoon crew, we'll all be 4 and one that would.
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  Be a monster performance after everybody's first couple weeks
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  outside of your week 1 would have been dreadful.
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  Lucas, yourself and Sean already 4:00 and 1:00 with the Chargers
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  to go for me, but we'll see. Which of these two games do you
• 37:06
  like more? AFC West shirt.
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  That that's an easy one for. You right.
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  And I and I do like the Chargers.
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  But you know what? I like Tampa Bay too.
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  Do you? I do, I think they're, I think
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  they're probably that next year. Green Bay Eagle, Tampa, right
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  below. Yes, yeah, absolutely.
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  If it's not one of the. 2 With the Lions.
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  Yeah, with the Lions. 'Cause they they look like maybe
• 37:29
  their demise have been a little bit exaggerated.
• 37:31
  Just a little bit now. They also did it against that
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  decrepit organization. We got a minute.
• 37:37
  It's all yours. Watching that garbage is bad.
• 37:41
  It's more of the same. All this crap about Ben Johnson.
• 37:45
  They're unorganized. They're undisciplined.
• 37:47
  It's the same crap year after year after year.
• 37:51
  It is rotten from the inside out.
• 37:53
  This organization is awful. It is absolutely the same
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  things. It doesn't matter who they bring
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  in. It doesn't matter the coach.
• 38:02
  It doesn't matter the quarterback.
• 38:04
  It is the same thing. It is an organizational failure.
• 38:08
  Year after year after year. Nothing's going to change.
• 38:12
  Virginia's dead. It's the same crap because
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  they're idiots. Sons are still there.
• 38:16
  It's the same things year after year after year.
• 38:20
  How long? Or, or maybe they already are.
• 38:21
  Are you hearing cries for Tyson Beijing?
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  Come on, yes, they're they're out there, but I am not going to
• 38:28
  subscribe to that theory change the quarterback.
• 38:31
  Guess what? It's going to be more the.
• 38:32
  Same. Yeah, more the same.
• 38:33
  All right, we're done. Appreciate you being with us.
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  We will make way for off the bench because Lucas Strain and
• 38:41
  Sean Roberts got you covered for the next three hours.
• 38:44
  Tomorrow morning, the first quarter gets under way at 6:00
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