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Talks to Mark McManus about his choice Death to the Daleks (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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I'm so drunk. 32, thank you very much for joining us again, at
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hamster with a blunt penknife. As we tackle the final episode
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of death, to the Daleks to part three ended with a cliffhanger,
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very odd Cliffhanger and we were having some debate as to why why
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the cliff and was like that and what the original Cliffhanger
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would have been, absolutely right when you said that, the
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Cliffhangers should have been the Daleks according to the
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complete history. Part 3 was running short while
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part for was over length. Consequently, the Cliffhanger
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between the two episodes was moved from the direct threat to
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the doctor and Bilal of the Daleks cornering them in an
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Alcove to a more passive sequence showing the duo finding
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a pattern floor. Yes.
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That's a lovely way of putting it passing sequence.
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Can I just say, then set the record straight people.
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Some people have seemed to suggest that some of my facts on
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this thing are erroneous or sketchy at best.
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And there's proof that I don't know.
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Hey guys, you know what, there's a moment in Frontier in space as
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well, right? Episode 1 where the 0 g storm
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onto the ship and Joe Grant looks up and the ogre on comes
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right down over a and I swear to God that was supposed to be the
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Cliffhanger as well because it's shot.
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Exactly like a cliffhanger and then ends look, man.
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Just go in you know all the dragons.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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That sounds like it doesn't it and there's a lot of dodgy
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moving about of scenes in the Pertwee era.
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Mark I'll good friend. Fraser Gregory has hit us.
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Although I'm not gonna fire you with a question.
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I think it's very leading. Question at that you know does
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Terry Nation deserve his reputation as a Dick, triple
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plotting hack. I think I know I disagree.
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I don't think is a predictable flooding hack.
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I think is a very good hack. I think think what he does, he
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does very well. He does use the same.
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Critique cookie cutter, but it is.
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He makes good cookies. It doesn't make it okay.
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Yeah, I think if you're going to think about like archetypal
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Doctor Who like perfect stereotypical Doctor Who it's
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God, isn't he from the Daleks onwards?
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You know. Yeah and and he does some kind
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of said a few times he doesn't make the most of it as the great
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ideas that he has. But he does have great ideas and
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you know he knows how to you know, put a situation together
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where throw people into danger and all that's to it.
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I think he does the same things with this TV series.
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You know you did the same thing with survivors.
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It creates phenomenally dark, apocalyptic drama, I know.
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Oh, he had a terrorist ugly and it became about farming but like
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it didn't really go anywhere and then obviously he created Blake
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7, which was, you know, obviously had legs.
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But really it probably wasn't until Chris pouch came in that
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it started to show. It's real potential.
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So it's like, he's a great art. Maybe you should have been a
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script editor, like the idea, you know, Yeah, some PS somebody
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like Sydney Newman or you know, kind of came up with the bare
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bones of Doctor Who and then, you know, let other people run
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with it. So I think parallettes says like
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there's like a danger every five minutes.
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We're at our nation's work so there's a lot of suspense you
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always go from one set piece to another carrot, sticks calls him
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like a page-turner. Yeah, which is ironic really
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because then Terror sticks writes, all the target novels of
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his books and tons and tons of it to page-turners.
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That's it's, they say that Dan Brown thing.
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Like you, you couldn't say that a Dan Brown book was particular,
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well, written. But they are page-turners
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because there's so Cliffhangers at the end of a lot of very
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short chapters. And you do keep reading this
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fight, your cell phone, Well, Mark, we've got more of the site
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of an episode for. I'm afraid, I don't think this
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thing is going to end in a particularly compelling fashion.
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So I have prepared some questions for you as we go
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through this, not final episode. Are you ready?
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Perfect! Let's go 3 2. 1 off we go.
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So you'll start off at n. Is this is, I stood in the last
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episode that Bulow was potentially going to be a doctor
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who companion. Who is your Ultimate could have
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been a companion who okay? My mind immediately went to
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dogon but that's such an obvious answer, isn't it?
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That's that's probably the one that a lot of people would say
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oh did I read in life and season 18 knowing when they go around
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punching Pango? You would you think something a
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bit a bit less obvious. Because this there's all the
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obvious ones is entirely that you know, just the girl from The
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Faceless ones from the name Sam. Rick's yeah.
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I knew he would be an unusual one.
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That would that would liven, things up Professor?
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Elia Romford. Yes.
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Yeah, she would have been brilliant and I think, I think
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Tom Baker would have reduced bonded.
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Well, to that as well. It's like the missus Whimsy in
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the MLS coach Chronicles isn't that he really responds to that
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kind of character? Well, since Susan Jameson.
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Yeah, she is. Was in a spectral and you more
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as well. Basically playing the same
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character. Mad eccentric, Joe else would
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have been good. What I have up.
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Vanessa art magic, not Vanessa knocking around the universe
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together, maybe pieces houses. Every wouldn't I?
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Yeah, if it was Tegan that got shrunk, and Vanessa had wandered
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into the Tardis and step that would be a good kind of reversal
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expectations with met the like, the young pretty woman is killed
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and then around to comes along here.
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He then your name is not pay. Is it it's Mom?
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Yes, I should know that name. Well, have you ever played
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Hopscotch in your life? I haven't.
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I haven't heard of you now. This is put me off.
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This is it's very at risk. I did you ever meet Jon Pertwee
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know? I've had a few people on here
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that I've had no one of them was told me a pleasant story.
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Oh, really? I I met him and I thought he was
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great, but I mean I just met him at convention and I was only
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like 13 or so already been. It was two months before he
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died. So we don't in 96, I've been
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about 50 40 50 maybe. But yeah, I thought it was
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terrific use, just like a star quality sort of thing you just
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saw. Judges in life, he was on stage,
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you know, had the, the audience, you know, the time of his hands
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Jelly's well-polished anecdotes. Yeah.
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I was totally just like, wow, that is jumps.
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It was sticks there as well because I can't imagine to
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Greater Raconteurs on stage. Was he was on stage Colin Baker,
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actually, the they put the two doctors on stage who interviewed
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each other but Elizabeth sladen, was that as well.
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So it's pretty pretty amazing convention.
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Yes. Terrific.
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Barry. Let's as you know about John po
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egos, you know, John poet. He tells these stories because
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it's 50%. Truth, 50% fiction.
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And every time he tells them they become more about Jon
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Pertwee than actually have you as long as he tells it.
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Well, I've heard him say say that the, you know, so he's told
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this story soft and they started to believe them and I think You
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know. Yeah.
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That doesn't it just to go back to episode the lightning as the
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Daleks go across the floor. Looks really, really good.
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It looks better than it does in the five doctors when they do
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the similar sort of thing, I think.
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Yeah, a grand. You know, I think the, the shots
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on the floor as well. Look very good vanish too.
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But if you read fairy, let's autobiography and Memoir the
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yeah, so good. I've heard he had the audio
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version of it but yeah, yes, to the demons thin it.
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I think so. Yeah.
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Yeah. Expect another volume actually.
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Yeah. But that does a story that he
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tells, and it's like he even all those years later, you wants to
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set the record straight that Jon pertwee's tells the story that
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when they went out on the hovercraft, that probably could
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control it and bolex couldn't and any sort of like that.
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It happened at all like it's fine.
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If I can be tells the story that they were all having lunch and
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that he was like just right around the city can get.
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Oh yeah. Also I don't have it on this
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side. It's a one of the countries that
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part we went in and demanded extra money and then when he
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said no, he quit and buried it says that's complete nonsense.
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Like yeah, would have come and spoken to me and that
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conversation never happens. But you know who cares?
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Yeah, that's it for, I'm going to hit you with another.
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One of these questions I was going around and asking them.
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What is your presiding memory of watching this story?
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As a child, I think is the Daleks.
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It was the first time I'd ever seen the Daleks.
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And so yeah, it was having read. Probably a lot of the target
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novels by this stage, actually seeing them and hearing them for
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the first time. I think that's Yeah.
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That's, that's my overriding memory of it about you.
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I think it was probably the atmosphere, but I was really
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scared watching this like this and Terror of the zygons really,
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frightened me. Yeah.
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And they're both quite dark shadowy blood.
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I think I was a bit of a Wimpy, Kid him on his finger.
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I was, but I was scared of the dark, so yeah, and if you're
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definitely episode 1, I remember yeah, finally quite scary and
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you don't think we need kids where you try and get people.
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People to watch stuff as well. You like all this is great and
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I'll transfer it to my friends and cousins and stuff.
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I like my younger cousins were just like this is too scary.
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Like knock it off, sort of thing and everyone else is just like
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not interested, not interested, never convert.
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You would have got to the bit where it's like this fella
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sitting there watching them on the screen.
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The, this is, this is Terry Walsh.
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He looks terrible. I'm telling you they hired an
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extra to do this and the extra couldn't keep still enough.
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So they sacked him and put Terry Walsh in the costume and, and
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gotten to sit there, just sit there.
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Very still, it's quite menacing, isn't it?
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But there's like a element of, like, the Daleks.
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They're being watched on cameras.
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Yeah. It's all builds up to something
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that doesn't happen. Doesn't as well.
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You think this is going to be the the overlord of everything
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that's going to be a confrontation.
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Yeah. Although the effect I really
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liked what he saw crumples away tonight.
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Yeah. Because for she saw think it's a
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bit like the master of the land of fiction who wants somebody to
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replace him. That all these intelligence
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tests would appear to be only letting somebody of a certain
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ability, get to the get to this control room order, the city in
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order to say, I will now you are the mind that's going to control
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it, but it doesn't go there where you'd expect it to.
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And you know, you might say that the ending is a little bit too
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easy that the doctor just kind of like pull some circuits out,
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gets his screwdriver and puts it in again and it is then you have
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those great seems that the antibodies coming out there
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being a shit out of the Daleks that's one of the guns literally
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just like tears in off. Yeah, it's really well done and
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yet you don't really get a good look at them as well.
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It makes them scary as they're forming and then you see them
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walk off your really see what they look like, what they are.
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Well you see the face and it's it's a bit like even that guy
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whose face melts off in Resurrection of the Daleks, it's
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kind of nasty and they do that wonderful thing where they're
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firing their guns and you actually see the bullets explode
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from their chairs. I always loved that.
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Dad's squibs going off over there and it's awfully wet my
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bed as a kid watching this on time.
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Yeah, this explained to see but I wonder if they're sort of not
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fully formed because of the urgency like the city doesn't
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have time to to fully put them together.
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It would. Yeah, it kind of suggests
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something like that one there. Okay, so my next question for
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you is this is how do you think this would have been different
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if Terrance dicks? He had script edited this.
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Hey Script Episode wants to repeal it or which comes next
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and it's quite different in tone to this.
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Yeah, I suppose I suppose like you said it feels like the
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darker elements come from Robert Holmes.
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So the the dying commanders. Wishes that bit where he's
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covered in blood he's dying. He's trying to solve in part
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his, he's dying orders and the way that Galloway took closed
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his eyes and holds his hand there.
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And says to him. Sorry I didn't hear that.
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That's that slight slightly mean a bit that you get later on.
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Isn't it in the in the early Tom Baker stuff from it from a far
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more like optimistic. These more about clean plotting,
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and a sort of the interests of the story and Robert Holmes is a
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bit more brutal and yeah. Yeah, it maybe the maybe the
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that sort of the ending would be a bit more.
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I suppose totally consistent with the rest of the story, if
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you don't fix. It's yeah, it's interesting to
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speculate, isn't it? Well while we're on the subject
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of speculation? Here's another one for you, it's
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like Mastermind. Listen, it Doctor Who Mastermind
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do you think that the new series would play about with the ideas
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of dialects without weapons and the living City?
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And how would it play out differently from this?
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I knew I think, I think if they if you're doing dialect without
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weapons, that would be as the same before, the Daleks being
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forced to work with the humans and finding clever ways to get
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what they want. It would all be about
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manipulation, wouldn't it? It would be about turning the
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humans against each other or getting them to do something.
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They didn't want to do, but tricking them.
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I think that would be the focus of the episode.
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It would be more more about the characters psychologically
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proven, Rather than yeah, knock they seemed terrified me as a
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kid. I could not figure out my little
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head. I couldn't figure out what on
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Earth was going on with these hip no lights.
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Yeah, it's really yeah, it's quite overwhelming, isn't it?
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Okay. And also if you've got episodes
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that you're in a lot of trouble. Yeah, it's it's painful to look
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at really, isn't it? So kind of really uncomfortable
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to see not just the doctor in pain but the the brightness and
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the Yeah, site. I never liked adults, like
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afraid and his terrorist and all of this like you do not exist.
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I think. What is going on?
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What are they get like? Yeah, I was I was hugging onto
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my mother's knee. That's where I sat and watched
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Doctor Who on the floor by my mum's Lakes.
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He looks genuinely terrible afterwards as well.
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But we there, when it was hands come down from his face, he
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looks really like you've been through an ordeal with me.
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What is a funny thing because I think Pertwee in 11 and Baker in
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18 both look visibly aged mmm in their final seasons.
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Yeah. Where is in 10 and 17?
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They both still look quite young and fresh and it's, it's old.
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Yeah, the the difference in pertwee's five years as well.
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It's quite marked isn't it? It's like he's 50.
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It's like he's aged from 50 to 55 but it feels like he's aged
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more awesome. Like, I feel like, you know what
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questions? I've written out.
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You just give me a perfect segue into my final question for
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tonight and that is we just talked about the five top Jon
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Pertwee Seasons. What are you favorite and why as
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an overall season? And I'll be very interested if
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you say 11 because I might yeah I don't know if I've got a
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favorite season. I think I think more so than any
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other doctor. There's there's a consistency
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across them the sitter sixes and sevens quite different, isn't
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it? But But once you get into season
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8 and because you got the same behind the scenes, people you've
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got the regular stable of writers that they keep drawing
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on. I don't know.
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I've got I've got Favorite stories out of each of them,
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really? I don't need having any of them.
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Stand out more than any others are.
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You could put together my perfect season, probably taking
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a story from each one, go for it.
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Yeah, that's to be spearhead, okay?
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No Inferno. That's interesting.
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I love Inferno as well, but but yes, beer just edges it for me,
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I think. Okay.
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Then what? Don't want the autumns again.
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Maybe - okay, so spare for spice.
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Mind of evil. Yeah.
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What's in? This is why I can't quite
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remember what's in here. You can see Devils mutants time,
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All-Star. Man see Devils.
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Okay ya lo see those three doctors kind of full of monsters
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Planet. The dark Death to the Daleks.
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I don't. Hang on, hang on.
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We didn't get to greendeath, did we?
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And hey, yeah. So you get far enough because as
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soon as you said, three doctors is green, death would have to be
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in there. I think that 7 is the most
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accomplished year in terms of like the Productions but it's
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just too cold. I think he's very good at what
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he's doing, but it's a bit. Yeah, cool for me whereas 10, I
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just adore 10. I think it's color.
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Want to imagine. It's have an exciting.
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I love story. I think the Pertwee Manning
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chemistry is. All right, it's got amazing.
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Villains, it's just got everything I love about dogs.
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Yeah. That'd be my wife.
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What is this? All about?
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What this Dalek having a nervous breakdown.
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Yeah, it's it doesn't help to. It doesn't open to make them a
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credible threat to say what I feel like at the end, you know,
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when he's going like, it's supposed to blow off.
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Yeah, I forgot today. It's and, and I really it's
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crazy, but I really like the scene in remembrance where the
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doctor just such talks, the Dalek into having a similar,
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kind of breakdown, but the script in there is.
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Yeah. But here we just seem like a
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huge overreaction. What's happened?
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Don't you have a party? You know?
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Yeah. You know what I noticed a moment
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ago, Arnold yarrow when he was walking around is like, you
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know, have a look around and that, and he was holding himself
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in a very like wildfire off. But I don't know, he's always
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acting like he's always doing something as knee.
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Whereas, Jill, Taryn is too loose like somebody standing
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there waiting for an X line, not to pick on her but She's not
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very naturalistic issue. Whereas yeah, he's always doing
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something. Look at the look.
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You see their faces. Yeah, they Grill.
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It almost like the humor force a little bit as well.
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I do with this puckering. I just love the way.
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Yeah, they're one of them. They should just start smacking
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his head life size baby, just rips the arm right out.
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I suppose he's doing surprising things till the end man.
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All unusual things. Just come from nowhere.
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Haven't they there? And there are different size and
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build like they've gone for sort of tall skinny people.
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Whereas for the Excellence, they've gone for the smaller
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people. And I remember as a kid thinking
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yeah with the doors coming down at.
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I remember you can they're not going to get out and I was like
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really it's just yeah but they weren't going to escape the CC 0
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and and you know the bit right at the end with the screaming
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and all the walls melting and that.
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Yeah like in my head I remember that being really epic when I
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watch it now. Thanks Mark.
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It does, doesn't it? It's still?
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It's quite unsettling. Still though.
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I think you do get the sense of an organism dying.
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Not just the city crumbling because of the weird, the weird
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sounds. Yeah, it's like it is like
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something dying, isn't it? And what is the most bastard?
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Move, the Daleks could possibly make.
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Well, we're taking all the perineum.
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We're going to bomb the planet. See ya.
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It's a weird one that you've got them at their mercy and it's
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like no will take off and then launch a missile that you don't
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even say, oh, we don't need to bother because we're going to
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bump on it. Yeah.
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Okay. Also they want to make the
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planet when usable as well, don't they saw that.
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Nobody else can come and get any more perineum.
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It's a shame. You know, I think here.
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And those things towards inner thought, this is over there now
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and it does Studio is still not a terrible design but like you
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remember those scenes in episode 1?
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Yeah. If the planet at always been
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dark and Misty and weirdly lit throughout that, yeah, that
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would've been terrific. All these were the scenes, these
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were the scenes in their special features are Pertwee was losing
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its frag. Yeah.
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Yeah. He's having to retake it and
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yeah, What's My Line? I'll sorry.
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What? Yeah, he's stroppy.
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Well, it does. Yeah, the nice bits in the
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making of where the arrow talks about the limited visibility in
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his costume. So Pertwee helped him in vase
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and then once you know that you spot where he's got his hand on
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his shoulder or he sort of seems to be guiding a little bit.
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It's really, really interesting listening to the guest
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characters that come onto the common trees because Barry lets,
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you know, speaks very highly of how Jon Pertwee sort of pulled
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together a company made everybody feel at home, but you
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get the odds actor. So, Jill, Taran, has some things
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to say in this commentary and the person who plays Major
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dailies daughter in Carnival of monsters, they both say he was
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definitely the star of the show and He wanted everyone else.
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You know, I think he did have a bit of an ego but yeah, we hear
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about when Delgado came aboard and delgado's more prominent in
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the photo on the radio time. He didn't like that.
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He was he didn't like the Apache trunk coming back.
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He was worried. They didn't get that many scenes
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together because you didn't wanna be upstaged and yeah you
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feel like That was that was stumps definitely an element of
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his his ego. Whatever, his personality.
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He's been an unfair question. Do you think he's phoning it in
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in his last couple of stories? I don't I don't see that.
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No. As you think it is his best
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performance in part of the spiders, some of those scenes
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and there's great stuff and I think the moment she has with
26:13
Sarah Jane, they like a few more words in here.
26:15
I think he ever, really, really good.
26:16
He's really, you know, responding to her being such a
26:20
good actor out. It's, you know, so really
26:22
bringing that bringing that out in him.
26:24
Yeah. I think I kind of would like to
26:26
love a year with the two of us. I think, or if she hadn't come
26:30
along when he was aware, like when he 0 was kind of at its
26:33
peak, you know, Yeah, it's something isn't it?
26:37
It's like so bringing three, your billing in series 10.
26:40
Yeah. And down in into flux, isn't it?
26:46
It's like getting a really interesting or really likeable
26:49
character into a doctor's final series.
26:52
I'm glad corner to that list as well.
26:55
Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
26:57
In fact it seems one season companions in the new series.
26:59
I love the most. Yeah.
27:04
That is not going to Clara Navy. All right, let's go.
27:08
What's going to say the eleventh doctor Cloud as well.
27:11
On you got like half a series together, so you know, it would
27:14
have been interesting to get more of them as well.
27:16
Maybe, but I know that not everybody likes Clara the way
27:20
that I did but the fact that you do is marvelous Ty wall that
27:26
would I will tell me I'm wrong. Now, they all come with me.
27:29
Tell me. I'm wrong.
27:29
You started. All right.
27:33
There's the the Dalek buttons are something really sort of
27:36
like button Moon. Isn't there about them?
27:38
Oh my God button yes, wasn't it? Yeah, that tin can explode in
27:51
there like that. That's an incredible special
27:53
effects. But they do feel sorry for go
27:58
away, though. That's There's no way that Terry
28:03
Nation scripted, the last line that now the universe is
28:07
downtown 799 lat. Was it 699?
28:13
Yeah. 666 little AMA. Yeah.
28:16
Yeah. When I was a kid, this was the
28:20
most epic thing I'd ever seen. Yeah, pretty.
28:24
And now you can see its melting pot of polystyrene but I would
28:29
never have thought that. I was a kid.
28:30
They gave a bit. That's right.
28:33
Where you can see like the dripping.
28:36
I'm joking. I think I genuinely felt like
28:38
that. Building was bleeding.
28:39
You know. Yeah.
28:41
It's like it's not. So this is ashamed of grow up.
28:47
Yeah I think that about survival.
28:49
I can watch that when I was eight and just Like, did not
28:54
spot that the killings were animatronic anything like that
28:57
years later. You know, when I watched it on
28:59
VHS as like that is such as look, anything like a real cat.
29:03
It's but yeah, you just as a kid, use much more accepting of
29:08
what's presented to you and you told it is.
29:11
Yeah I do. There are there are some stories
29:13
like as an adult the kind of live up to the Productions that
29:17
Lesson by Warriors, gay terracycle.
29:20
This is a good one. I want to scare us an actual
29:23
Yeah. I was convinced that was a real
29:24
monster. Yeah, as a kid just going to
29:28
show all my got. It ended when did it end?
29:31
The third? Okay, well I'm gonna hit you
29:35
with this. The usual question between us.
29:38
We need to find six reasons to recommend death to the Daleks.
29:42
To all of those naysayers out, there will do one each back and
29:47
forth off you go. Well, darling, submachine guns.
29:52
It's brilliant. It looks it they look great and
29:55
it's a great you know the doctor sets it up, he says the
29:57
brilliant engineers and yeah, very shortly afterwards.
30:01
You see that they've designed these guns?
30:03
So yeah, that's really cool. I'm going to say the Jon Pertwee
30:08
an Elizabeth sladen chemistry, which I think is a is at its
30:12
peak. I have that.
30:13
It's not the best use of our in this story, but the two of them
30:15
together It might be some of the best moments.
30:20
Yeah, and given how little they are together.
30:22
In this story, those moments really shine.
30:25
I see Arnold yarrow is Bilal, he gives a very, very compelling
30:30
performance. He goes from what you think is
30:33
going to be a monster that he's creeping around us to.
30:35
So Jane just see its hands to really, really endearing
30:38
character, who ya Ali would have been very interesting and
30:43
likeable companion, people will think I'm mad, but I'm going to
30:47
say the score. Which is very quirky, very alien
30:53
at time, this is like a lot of islands and shrieking and stuff
30:57
like that. And I think at the time with all
30:59
the special, the sound effects, and the music I was really sort
31:03
of transported to this weird place when I was a kid.
31:08
So yeah, maybe I can see now that tonally in places, it's a
31:12
bit jarring. It's just there, the style just
31:16
say it. So I I'm not going to fight it
31:19
and Some thought went into that as well.
31:21
I think that they didn't want to use synthesizers because the
31:27
whole setup is that there's no power, there's no electricity on
31:30
this planet. So they wanted to use acoustic
31:33
stuff instead of a synthesizer. And I think Carrie blatant as
31:38
well, didn't really like synthesized and stuff because
31:40
you felt like it was putting musicians out of work.
31:43
So he brought this sort of quartet of musicians in and
31:47
scored it as well. So that it's nice that there is
31:49
You actually thought behind that it wasn't just, let's let's
31:54
begin this. Gabby in there.
31:55
Nobody likes uses that scrapie thing.
31:57
That's neat that we had at school that thing.
32:02
You know what? That's called, I don't.
32:04
But yeah, I do remember the school.
32:06
Now, that you mention it, we won't create his back.
32:09
Harry blight and I'm telling you, we've been shoved into a
32:13
mental institution. Okay.
32:15
Your last one. The last one is kind of tearing
32:18
one as far as going to Say the location.
32:20
It's not it's not unique to this story to use a quarry, but I say
32:25
that their location in conjunction with the direction.
32:30
Really looks like an alien planet.
32:32
Those those long tracking shots and Vistas with all the sort of
32:36
dunes and the pools and then as it's moving, you realize that
32:40
what you think is a rock is an excellent.
32:43
Just when you clock flaps a little bit and things like that
32:45
I think yes. I mean the direction but the use
32:47
of the the location by Mike Lee Brian as well.
32:52
And my last one is going to be the, like, memorable imagery
32:57
that hits for out the story. Salons blending into the Sarah,
33:03
Jane coming out of the Mist, the POV shot in the Tardis of her
33:08
being attacked, the root coming up and look in the Dalek into
33:15
the water. Like I think even the right down
33:18
to the antibodies at the end. I just think there's no Very
33:22
unusual. Very striking imagery in this
33:24
there and the Dalek being on fire.
33:26
The Dalek and the Exelon being on fire.
33:29
Like, that's pretty scary. I think if your kid is well,
33:31
like being on fire is is a pretty terrifying thought.
33:36
Actually I'm just going to throw in the brutality as well, you
33:38
know? So I think if you take out so it
33:40
wouldn't feel was kind of a suppressive and as dangerous as
33:43
it does. Yeah.
33:45
If it was all paid a bit more sort of Planet of the Daleks
33:50
Yeah, well, that just leaves me to say a massive.
33:54
Thank you for taking this trip down memory lane with me.
33:59
Thank you, thank you. It's been a pleasure.
34:01
It's a great story and may I just say how much I admire your
34:05
restraint about the, the word perineum being in the story so
34:11
much that you become anime. Alright, making me be rude.
34:17
Okay. I generally control myself when
34:20
I'm around you. You know, I've got all these gay
34:23
guys coming on and I'm Tara. But yeah, when is your Fraser
34:27
Gregory? I'll tend to behave.
34:28
Myself it's much appreciated. Then this.
34:33
I Am tournament determined to hear another, take on the
34:38
Steven, Moffat ERA, with you Seasons.
34:43
Where there is a huge gap. It would be my podcast.
34:48
So, I would like you right now to choose a Matt Smith and a
34:52
Peter Capaldi episode that you'd like to talk about in the
34:54
future. Yeah, definitely.
34:57
Yeah, which is, there any particular ones that nobody's
35:01
choosing are any most of us? Still free.
35:04
I'll just say, yay, or nay if they're already taken Let me
35:09
think. You know, it's a chance I think
35:15
of a single story that's a great podcast, innocent Minds, go
35:22
completely blank. What the season six has barely
35:27
been touched series six. You know the Sylar, the doctor's
35:31
wife has not been taken. Let's do it.
35:34
Okay, and Capaldi, doctor's wife and Flatline been done.
35:40
Yes. Mummy on the Orient Express.
35:43
Yes. Yeah, there's a popular ones
35:45
appearing. Like, I need to, I need to.
35:48
I was taking in the forests of the night, you know, base.
35:54
Probably my least favorite one. What else.
36:01
What about yeah, I know you've done.
36:03
You've done that in heaven. Haven't you?
36:05
You know what I'd love to talk about if you put up for it into
36:09
the Dalek. Yeah, yeah.
36:12
Living to the Dale. Yeah.
36:14
And you know why? Because I really didn't like it.
36:16
When it first came out and every single time I watch that I've
36:19
liked him. I now love it.
36:22
Great. Yeah.
36:23
And that's that's the second one, isn't it?
36:25
Yeah, because we did. So we did deep breath we we can
36:28
continue with with interdolly. That's great.
36:31
So, So painful and I couldn't think of anything your favorite
36:35
era as well. Shame on them.
36:39
Okay I've double whammy the doctor's wife and inside the
36:42
Dalek definitely. Wow.
36:46
Until then we'll see you then.