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How These Two Cheated the Casinos for Years | 346 · Hey BigHead: The Vegas Local Podcast

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SPEAKER_06: Julie, we're back again.
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SPEAKER_00: We're back.
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SPEAKER_00: We're back.
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SPEAKER_06: Another episode of the Hey Big Hatch.
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SPEAKER_06: What'd you say?
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SPEAKER_00: I said we're always back.
0:07
SPEAKER_06: We are always back.
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SPEAKER_06: You know, people are concerned that maybe we're not coming back, but who?
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SPEAKER_00: Whose people?
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SPEAKER_00: You're lying.
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SPEAKER_06: My mom.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_06: My mom is concerned to make sure that makes sure everything's okay.
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SPEAKER_06: Uh today's gonna be a fun episode.
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SPEAKER_06: Very exciting episode.
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SPEAKER_06: And because it involves casinos, it involves gambling, it involves cheating.
0:27
SPEAKER_00: You know what Monaco says.
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SPEAKER_06: If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.
0:30
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
0:30
SPEAKER_00: Who actually said that?
0:31
SPEAKER_06: The Dalai Lama.
0:33
SPEAKER_06: I believe the Dalai Lama said that first, yes.
0:35
SPEAKER_06: Um no, today we have Dustin Marks and the Kaiser.
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SPEAKER_06: And before I give them a little introduction, I want to kind of give a little intro of who they are.
0:43
SPEAKER_06: Uh Dustin Marks and the Kaiser, they uh they cheated Blackjack hundreds of times here in Vegas during the 1980s, and believe it or not, never got caught.
0:53
SPEAKER_00: Until now, they've outed themselves.
0:56
unknown: Exactly.
0:58
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, exactly.
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SPEAKER_06: So today we're gonna talk to them about how they pulled it off, the closest calls, what casino cheating looked like in old school Vegas, and to see if maybe maybe we can still do it today.
1:07
SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
1:07
SPEAKER_06: Maybe we can work in the You're already in trouble.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll have to tell them what you've done.
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SPEAKER_06: We'll get to that point.
1:14
SPEAKER_06: But today I want to introduce Dustin Marks and the Kaiser.
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SPEAKER_06: Gentlemen, thank you so much for being here.
1:17
SPEAKER_06: Welcome to the show.
1:18
SPEAKER_06: Thank you.
1:18
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
1:19
SPEAKER_01: Pleasure being here.
1:20
SPEAKER_06: Now, uh for anybody watching at home, we have Dustin to my left and the Kaiser on my right.
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SPEAKER_06: Now, the Kaiser, I asked you this before, up in the air, is the Kaiser named after Kaiser Sosa from the Suspects?
1:34
SPEAKER_01: Dustin and I had this expression uh this discussion literally a couple episodes ago because it was doing an episode on me.
1:40
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
1:40
SPEAKER_01: And he said, where did you get that?
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SPEAKER_01: And I didn't know.
1:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I assumed it was.
1:45
SPEAKER_01: I said, well, it's probably you, because that was the time that unusual suspects came out.
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SPEAKER_01: Kaiser, and yeah, why not?
1:52
SPEAKER_01: I've been stuck ever since.
1:54
SPEAKER_06: You know what?
1:54
SPEAKER_06: And it works.
1:55
SPEAKER_06: It works for you.
1:55
SPEAKER_06: So let's just keep it.
1:56
SPEAKER_06: Let's I like it.
1:57
SPEAKER_06: Kaiser's my middle name, actually.
1:58
SPEAKER_06: I don't know if you knew that.
1:59
SPEAKER_01: No, I didn't know that.
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SPEAKER_06: It's not, but it is.
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SPEAKER_06: It is now.
2:02
SPEAKER_06: It is now.
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SPEAKER_01: All that matters is I believe you.
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SPEAKER_01: You can lie all you want, but I'll believe you.
2:07
SPEAKER_06: It's not a lie unless you believe the lie.
2:08
SPEAKER_06: That's what it is.
2:09
SPEAKER_01: Bingo.
2:10
SPEAKER_06: Um well, Dustin, I gotta I want to start off with you.
2:13
SPEAKER_06: You cheated Blackjack for uh about four years, right?
2:17
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
2:17
SPEAKER_06: You about five hundred times?
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, roughly.
2:20
SPEAKER_04: I mean, we never kept records for obvious reasons.
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SPEAKER_06: Of course.
2:24
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, estimate around 500 different plays.
2:26
SPEAKER_06: And then Kaiser, you came in part way through his excursion uh and about you know maybe half that or yeah, roughly half that.
2:35
SPEAKER_01: Uh I came in about a couple years or so, one year and a half into him already doing it.
2:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:40
SPEAKER_01: And he was doing it elsewhere and everything else, and you decided to make it local.
2:44
SPEAKER_01: And who else should post than me?
2:46
SPEAKER_06: So how did you guys get even get connected in the first place?
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SPEAKER_06: Because is it something it's got to be such a careful thing to bring up to somebody who maybe you know, maybe I don't know how close you were at the time before you worked together, but you know, you you're bringing up something that could definitely get you in a lot of trouble, especially in the 80s.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: Um, and so there's a lot of trust involved in sharing what you do with him, unless your story is you caught him and you're like, let me in.
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SPEAKER_06: So I'm not sure.
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SPEAKER_01: God, I wish it was that exciting.
3:15
SPEAKER_01: No.
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SPEAKER_06: So let's hear it.
3:16
SPEAKER_06: How did you guys connect?
3:17
SPEAKER_06: How'd you guys get connected and started with this?
3:19
SPEAKER_04: Well, we're both magicians before we even met.
3:22
SPEAKER_04: And there's a magic club that's still going on to this very day called Gary Darwin's Magic Club meeting.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay.
3:28
SPEAKER_04: So that's where we met.
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SPEAKER_01: That's where we met.
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SPEAKER_01: And what was interesting is we would go there.
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SPEAKER_01: He was there to, I mean, he's phenomenal with a deck of cards, as you know, the gaming aspect.
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SPEAKER_01: So he's there doing his wares with all the top names in card magic.
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SPEAKER_01: They were all gathered.
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SPEAKER_01: That's why he came to Las Vegas.
3:45
SPEAKER_01: He tells the story.
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SPEAKER_01: But he came to Las Vegas to catch up with these guys to learn how to work these cards.
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SPEAKER_01: So he's sitting down at a table with all the big names doing this shuffle.
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SPEAKER_01: And it drew me in.
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SPEAKER_01: I stand there watching, and he looks up and goes, You got one?
4:01
SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
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SPEAKER_01: I felt like it was a litmus test.
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SPEAKER_01: Now I gotta either say yay or nay.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
4:07
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to be a coward.
4:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So I said, sure, I got one.
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SPEAKER_01: And it happened to be I was working on a zero shuffle, which is one of the tougher false shuffles to do.
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SPEAKER_01: So I sat down, did my thing.
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SPEAKER_01: We all sat around, shuffled our cards, and ch chat-chat.
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SPEAKER_01: And from that day on, we we kept meeting at the meetings and this grew into a friendship.
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SPEAKER_06: I love that.
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SPEAKER_01: All round of a deck of cards and a shuffle of all.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, and then from the friendship, did you just look at him and say, You want to go cheat blackjack?
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SPEAKER_04: That's a good question.
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SPEAKER_04: Not exactly, but eventually, yes, because I knew he was good with a deck of cards.
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SPEAKER_04: I knew he was a dealer, but at the time he was a crap stealer.
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SPEAKER_01: Dice dealer, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: So that didn't work.
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SPEAKER_01: Night and day.
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SPEAKER_04: Were you were you cheating when you met him at that time?
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SPEAKER_04: No, not quite.
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SPEAKER_04: Not yet.
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SPEAKER_04: Close, but not quite.
4:53
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
4:53
SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
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SPEAKER_00: How are you close to cheating, Blackjack?
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SPEAKER_04: Well, not that much, yeah.
5:01
SPEAKER_04: That's a good question.
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SPEAKER_04: No, I was thinking about it and doing my research, but I'm a guy who is very prepared.
5:07
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
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SPEAKER_04: I won't just go out on a you know wing of anything.
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SPEAKER_04: So I was learning the techniques, but I don't think I had actually done anything yet.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay.
5:17
SPEAKER_06: Interesting.
5:17
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's interesting to interject something.
5:19
SPEAKER_01: He is very meticulous, detailed oriented, everything to the T.
5:25
SPEAKER_06: Is that bothering you?
5:26
SPEAKER_06: Is that it's irking?
5:28
SPEAKER_01: I'm flighty as hell.
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SPEAKER_01: On a whim, whatever enters my mind is what I do.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So the the contrast between this is night and day.
5:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
5:37
SPEAKER_01: But for whatever reason, it works.
5:40
SPEAKER_04: Well, I gotta interject this because if you've seen the movie, it'll click.
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SPEAKER_04: Planes, trains, and automobiles.
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SPEAKER_06: Yes.
5:46
SPEAKER_06: Absolutely, yes.
5:48
SPEAKER_04: Guess which here he is, and which one I am.
5:51
SPEAKER_06: I'm getting more of a Felix and Oscar type of relationship.
5:54
SPEAKER_06: Oh boy, you're going way back, but yes.
5:56
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
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SPEAKER_06: I love this though.
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SPEAKER_06: Um Were you guys ever close to getting caught at all?
6:04
SPEAKER_06: Was there a situation where it's like, this is this is it?
6:07
SPEAKER_01: Not really working together.
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SPEAKER_01: There were there were uh there was one time that I did get pulled up because they knew something was pulled up meaning they knew something was wrong and they were gonna question me.
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SPEAKER_01: And you know, we were doing a cooler the second time around.
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SPEAKER_04: Which was not smart.
6:25
SPEAKER_01: Which is not smart.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know, you probably get into that.
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SPEAKER_01: Anyway, the bosses suspected something because as they were trying to as we were trying to set up the play, I'm looking across the pit and all the bosses are swarming like and he's the dealer.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, I'm the dealer.
6:37
SPEAKER_01: I'm saying at a dead game, the team is setting up, and this is our second time in this casino within two weeks.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, brainchild of somebody higher up.
6:45
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm just a dealer.
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SPEAKER_01: And these bosses are swarming everywhere.
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SPEAKER_01: They're buzzing and they're looking at me.
6:52
SPEAKER_01: They're looking at me, looking at me.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going, okay, this is not good.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they kept looking, and all of a sudden, now the shift boss comes in, he's looking at me, he's looking at me.
7:01
SPEAKER_01: Then the almighty casino manager, which you rarely see, comes in, stands in the middle of his pit, and stares at me.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm going, okay, this is definitely not good.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Walks to the podium, picks up the phone.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, that pretty much said it to me.
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SPEAKER_01: Destin was the captain, he went through and scrubbed the whole thing.
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SPEAKER_01: And my people.
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SPEAKER_04: So all the players left.
7:22
SPEAKER_01: They think we knew it was bad news.
7:23
SPEAKER_01: He pulled me up, he pulled me off the game, and he says, uh, was that on the square?
7:29
SPEAKER_01: I said, Yeah, yeah, on my end it was on the square.
7:32
SPEAKER_01: I don't know, I really don't know what you're talking about.
7:34
SPEAKER_06: What is on the square mean?
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, on the square means was it legit?
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, was it honest?
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SPEAKER_01: You weren't trying to cheat or you know, trying to make it appear what it wasn't, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: So it was on the square.
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SPEAKER_01: It was legit in my eyes.
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SPEAKER_01: So he was wanting to make sure that I knew that it was legit.
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SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
7:49
SPEAKER_01: Did you know those people?
7:51
SPEAKER_01: No, I didn't know those people, they just appeared.
7:54
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
7:56
SPEAKER_01: Move along.
7:57
SPEAKER_01: Incredible.
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SPEAKER_01: I go back to the table and a couple minutes later I'm tapped off.
8:00
SPEAKER_01: I was fired.
8:03
SPEAKER_01: So he knew.
8:05
SPEAKER_01: I mean, back in the back in the 80s, the casino manager stuff were pretty much knowledgeable stuff.
8:10
SPEAKER_01: They know they've been, they've seen a lot of stuff.
8:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
8:13
SPEAKER_01: They may not be able to pinpoint it, but they know something's not right.
8:17
SPEAKER_01: And he saw this developing again.
8:22
SPEAKER_01: Because we did a play there successfully.
8:24
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
8:25
SPEAKER_01: Just like two weeks earlier.
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SPEAKER_01: Two weeks earlier.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, we pulled off thousands of dollars.
8:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
8:30
SPEAKER_01: And so the brainchild of this operation said, Hey, let's do it again.
8:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: With the same people.
8:35
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
8:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
8:36
SPEAKER_01: But you know, when they when you give away that kind of money, they have film on it.
8:39
SPEAKER_01: Everyone's seen the film.
8:39
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure the casino manager's seen the film.
8:41
SPEAKER_01: So he knows who's involved.
8:43
SPEAKER_01: Though I was not on the table when the the money was being won, which was the ingenious of him.
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SPEAKER_01: I set everything up and leave.
8:51
SPEAKER_01: Bye.
8:53
SPEAKER_01: And another dealer who's, you know, legit oblivious.
8:57
SPEAKER_01: She's just a dealer coming in, taking me out.
8:59
SPEAKER_01: She comes in and deals out all the winning hands.
9:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm nowhere in sight.
9:03
SPEAKER_04: So that's the beauty of a the cooler we did.
9:05
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
9:06
SPEAKER_04: When the person's winning all the money, everything's basically on the square.
9:09
SPEAKER_04: All the dirty work been done by him.
9:11
SPEAKER_04: So they can watch Towrapture.
9:13
SPEAKER_04: They're not going to see anything.
9:15
SPEAKER_04: Oh my God.
9:16
SPEAKER_06: I'm sure you guys have stories for days.
9:18
SPEAKER_06: This is going to be an excellent episode because I'm going to ask and get to the bottom of everything.
9:21
SPEAKER_06: Get the detail.
9:23
SPEAKER_01: Because I'll make it up.
9:24
SPEAKER_06: Excellent.
9:26
SPEAKER_06: The whole episode's.
9:28
SPEAKER_06: Everything is a lie.
9:29
SPEAKER_00: It's only a lie if you believe it.
9:30
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
9:32
SPEAKER_04: Actually, we just arrived in Vegas two days.
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SPEAKER_06: This is the greatest con known to men.
9:37
SPEAKER_06: It's like uh the movie Catch Me If You Can.
9:40
SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
9:41
SPEAKER_06: But now it comes out that he lied about a majority of that, and the whole movie wasn't necessarily as factual as you think it would have.
9:47
SPEAKER_06: Really?
9:47
SPEAKER_06: I didn't know that.
9:48
SPEAKER_06: Well, they know sad.
9:49
SPEAKER_06: Aren't we all?
9:50
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
9:51
SPEAKER_06: Aren't we all?
9:52
SPEAKER_06: Uh so Dustin, you got here in what, 1983?
9:55
SPEAKER_06: Correct.
9:56
SPEAKER_06: What was Vegas like then compared to obviously one word better.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
10:02
SPEAKER_04: No, I really liked it.
10:03
SPEAKER_04: It still had kind of a Western theme.
10:06
SPEAKER_04: There's no traffic.
10:07
SPEAKER_04: In fact, I tell people the nightly news didn't have traffic reports because it wasn't needed.
10:13
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
10:13
SPEAKER_04: It was that.
10:14
SPEAKER_04: You get anywhere in like 15-20 minutes.
10:16
SPEAKER_07: It was great.
10:17
SPEAKER_04: He knows better than I because he's been here longer than I.
10:19
SPEAKER_04: But it was great.
10:20
SPEAKER_04: I mean, you could go into the casinos, you didn't need a GPS to find the damn things.
10:25
SPEAKER_04: And there was a thing called um frontloaders and basers, which were dealers that were accidentally exposing their whole card.
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SPEAKER_04: So it gave you a little edge, and you could find them in a lot of different casinos in play, and that was totally legal back then.
10:40
SPEAKER_04: So everything was just easier, better.
10:43
SPEAKER_04: Of course, you know, I'm biased because I was much younger.
10:45
SPEAKER_04: Of course.
10:46
SPEAKER_06: I get that.
10:47
SPEAKER_06: Where did you come from before?
10:48
SPEAKER_04: Uh Midwest.
10:49
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
10:50
SPEAKER_06: And then you got into magic when?
10:53
SPEAKER_04: Seven years old.
10:54
SPEAKER_06: Really?
10:56
SPEAKER_04: Typical, you know, friend of the family was a magician or amateur magician, and I watched and something just clicked in my brain.
11:03
SPEAKER_04: I love cards.
11:04
SPEAKER_04: And I came from a uh family that played cards.
11:08
SPEAKER_04: So it wasn't uh, you know, weird to me or anything.
11:11
SPEAKER_04: In fact, back then most families played cards.
11:14
SPEAKER_04: Now I mean, you know what a deck of cards is, right, Julie?
11:18
SPEAKER_00: I know what a deck of cards are.
11:19
SPEAKER_04: But I mean, there are, I swear to God, there are young, young people that don't know.
11:25
SPEAKER_00: I feel insulted by that question a little bit.
11:27
SPEAKER_06: So just in case, just in case, we we carry decks of cards everywhere we go.
11:33
SPEAKER_06: But by the way, who do you think Dustin walked in.
11:36
SPEAKER_06: The first thing he said was, Oh, I saw you had so-and-so on the show.
11:39
SPEAKER_06: He's a great guy.
11:40
SPEAKER_06: Who do you think it is?
11:41
SPEAKER_06: Who do you think he knows that we've had on the show recently?
11:44
SPEAKER_00: Kent Axel?
11:45
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
11:46
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, he's a friend of mine.
11:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Stephen Magic, cards.
11:49
SPEAKER_06: Magicians, no magicians.
11:50
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
11:51
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
11:51
SPEAKER_06: Um, who was this?
11:53
SPEAKER_00: Kent.
11:54
SPEAKER_00: Oh, you know.
11:56
SPEAKER_01: I just had to play off his line, that's all.
11:58
SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
11:59
SPEAKER_00: Um, first name Clark.
12:02
SPEAKER_00: Speaking of names of other magicians, you recently revealed a name of somebody that was kept secret for a while, Mr.
12:10
SPEAKER_00: C C.
12:11
SPEAKER_04: Well, I didn't.
12:14
SPEAKER_01: Yes, and no.
12:15
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I just feel like he's real.
12:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
12:18
SPEAKER_01: He's really real.
12:19
SPEAKER_00: He's really real.
12:20
SPEAKER_06: No relation to the the real Captain Crunch, the serial Captain Crunch.
12:24
SPEAKER_06: He is just he's a guy that you were uh it was your partner that you were you know doing these cheating.
12:29
SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, it's just plays with.
12:31
SPEAKER_04: It's weird.
12:31
SPEAKER_04: It went from Captain Crunch to Crunch.
12:34
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
12:34
SPEAKER_04: How do you shorten things?
12:36
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I didn't.
12:36
SPEAKER_04: And I don't even know how he got that name.
12:39
SPEAKER_00: And was that someone you met through the Magic Club, yeah?
12:42
SPEAKER_00: Or no?
12:42
SPEAKER_04: No.
12:43
SPEAKER_04: Oh I heard of him through the Magic Club, and then I went to try to find him.
12:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
12:48
SPEAKER_04: Interesting.
12:48
SPEAKER_00: Trying to find somebody in that field.
12:51
SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
12:52
SPEAKER_00: That's a bold choice.
12:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he didn't want to be found for obvious reasons.
12:57
SPEAKER_04: Right.
12:57
SPEAKER_06: But you found him.
12:58
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
12:59
SPEAKER_06: Interesting.
13:00
SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
13:01
SPEAKER_00: Do you think you would have found him faster if you had social media like we do now?
13:05
SPEAKER_06: No.
13:05
SPEAKER_00: No.
13:06
SPEAKER_01: No.
13:06
SPEAKER_01: I don't think he exists on social media, does he?
13:08
SPEAKER_06: He's off the grid.
13:09
SPEAKER_01: He's really off the grid.
13:11
SPEAKER_01: Good for him.
13:11
SPEAKER_01: I don't know him nowadays, but back then he was really off the grid.
13:14
SPEAKER_01: So you had to be really inside for it.
13:16
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
13:17
SPEAKER_06: So Kaiser, you were also in involved in magic.
13:20
SPEAKER_06: Were were you a dealer uh and that got into magic?
13:23
SPEAKER_06: Or were you uh you were into magic and then you got into being a dealer?
13:26
SPEAKER_01: I was a magician before I got into magic.
13:29
SPEAKER_01: Well, kind of coincided.
13:31
SPEAKER_01: I got into magic much later than he was seven.
13:34
SPEAKER_01: I was about seventeen.
13:35
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
13:36
SPEAKER_01: So for most magicians who take it up as a hobby or a serious career, they start very young.
13:41
SPEAKER_01: Well, I was young at 17.
13:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
13:44
SPEAKER_01: I uh you're young right now.
13:45
SPEAKER_06: You're still young at heart.
13:46
SPEAKER_01: I love this.
13:47
SPEAKER_01: My brain's an eight-year-old, so it doesn't matter.
13:49
SPEAKER_01: I haven't progressed a little.
13:51
SPEAKER_00: You know what my dad says?
13:52
SPEAKER_00: You know how most people say act your age, not your shoe size?
13:56
SPEAKER_00: He says, act your shoe size, not your age.
13:58
SPEAKER_00: That's good way you look at that.
13:59
SPEAKER_01: Wow, I'm in great shape there.
14:00
SPEAKER_01: You're good.
14:01
SPEAKER_01: My like that.
14:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I got started in 17.
14:04
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I married into a family with a magician.
14:08
SPEAKER_01: And as a kid, you know what, you all like magic, and I did stupid card tricks my brother would teach me.
14:13
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they'd if you did them today for an audience, they'd shoot you.
14:16
SPEAKER_01: They were that bad.
14:17
SPEAKER_01: So married into a family that had a magician.
14:20
SPEAKER_01: He was a working magician, and it just fell into my lap.
14:25
SPEAKER_01: And of course, he associated with the same type of top magicians that he was associating with, and it just slowly came to me.
14:31
SPEAKER_01: One of my favorite moments of learning is that he threw me to the wolves in the fact that he gave me a stupid packet of trick, you know, something circles change places or something.
14:41
SPEAKER_01: It was really stupid, but it's a good beginner's trick.
14:43
SPEAKER_01: He throws me and says, Okay, my friends are coming over, show them a trick.
14:48
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
14:49
SPEAKER_01: It was Daniel Cross, which is a top close-up magician at the Desert Inn Hotel and Casino at the time.
14:54
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
14:55
SPEAKER_01: Paul Harris, world-renowned writer, creator.
14:59
SPEAKER_04: Most creative, probably closest magician.
15:02
SPEAKER_01: He's phenomenal.
15:03
SPEAKER_01: And then the local guy, Louis Simonoff.
15:06
SPEAKER_01: Uh, he was another super card guy out there.
15:09
SPEAKER_01: And of course, my my father-in-law.
15:12
SPEAKER_01: And I, okay.
15:17
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was and they were really gracious.
15:20
SPEAKER_01: They go, that was good.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: Big liars.
15:24
SPEAKER_01: Big, big liars.
15:26
SPEAKER_01: Because it was horrible.
15:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
15:27
SPEAKER_01: It was horrible, but I loved it.
15:29
SPEAKER_01: And it just grew from there.
15:30
SPEAKER_01: I bought, of course, at the time we had to buy every book available or every pamphlet available and everything else.
15:34
SPEAKER_01: So that's how I got into it.
15:36
SPEAKER_01: And it just evolved from one field to a next.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: You know, I started with the private parties.
15:40
SPEAKER_01: He was a corporate magician.
15:42
SPEAKER_01: He did corporate gigs.
15:43
SPEAKER_01: So I started picking up uh corporate hospitality suites.
15:45
SPEAKER_01: Nice.
15:46
SPEAKER_01: Entertaining the clients, entertaining, you know, clients.
15:50
SPEAKER_01: And then was uh what's his name?
15:53
SPEAKER_01: The bar magician.
15:55
SPEAKER_01: Daniel?
15:56
SPEAKER_01: No, not no um Tom Mollika.
15:59
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
16:00
SPEAKER_01: Phenomenal magician, excellent entertainer.
16:03
SPEAKER_01: Of course, during this time, I'm trying to get a persona, trying to build a personality, how to perform magic.
16:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure.
16:08
SPEAKER_01: I tried to copy Paul Harris.
16:11
SPEAKER_01: Great, the way he delivers his lines and everything is awesome for Paul Harris.
16:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:16
SPEAKER_01: When I did them, huh?
16:18
SPEAKER_01: You done yet?
16:20
SPEAKER_01: It was horrible.
16:21
SPEAKER_01: So when I saw Tom Molica performing behind the bar, I could relate with the way he was performing.
16:27
SPEAKER_01: And that's how I started developing my style of magic behind the bar.
16:30
SPEAKER_06: So beautiful.
16:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's so I ended up doing the bar magic, which is the best.
16:34
SPEAKER_06: You born and raised in Vegas?
16:36
SPEAKER_01: Close.
16:36
SPEAKER_01: I came here in 71 when I was about 12.
16:39
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
16:39
SPEAKER_01: So it's I call it home.
16:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, close.
16:41
SPEAKER_01: I don't know why I wanted to call it home, but I do.
16:44
SPEAKER_01: So I've been here a long, long time.
16:46
SPEAKER_06: I love that.
16:47
SPEAKER_06: Um all right.
16:47
SPEAKER_06: So let's let's get we we touched on a little bit, but I want to dive into it.
16:51
SPEAKER_06: So, Dustin, you're at a point now where you're like, all right, I'm doing these plays.
16:56
SPEAKER_06: It's it's it's working out for me, but at what point do you, and you you're familiar with Kaiser, at what point do you bring him in and how do you approach him with, hey, this is what I'm doing.
17:06
SPEAKER_06: I I trust you to be a part of this, and you know, this is how we're gonna do it.
17:11
SPEAKER_04: Well, the first play did not go well.
17:15
SPEAKER_04: Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot about that's right.
17:18
SPEAKER_04: I want to hear about it.
17:19
SPEAKER_04: I'm not even sure why we thought this, but he was dealing craps.
17:22
SPEAKER_04: You were not a 21 dealer, you're gonna be a good one.
17:24
SPEAKER_04: Not a 21 dealer.
17:25
SPEAKER_06: Where are you playing it?
17:26
SPEAKER_06: Oh, where is this at the time?
17:27
SPEAKER_01: In Vegas.
17:28
SPEAKER_01: The hotel?
17:29
SPEAKER_01: I'll never tell you.
17:30
SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
17:31
SPEAKER_06: Fair enough.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: Um I was a straight dice dealer.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: Now to give you a little persona about dice, we're gods in the casino.
17:39
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
17:39
SPEAKER_01: Everyone else, 21 dealers in that.
17:42
SPEAKER_00: And this is your own ego inflating?
17:44
SPEAKER_01: All dice dealers' eagles at the time.
17:47
SPEAKER_01: All right, that's because that's what you in back then when you dealt, you dealt a game.
17:51
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
17:52
SPEAKER_00: Right.
17:52
SPEAKER_01: You dealt the wheel, you dealt 21, you dealt dice.
17:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: Right.
17:57
SPEAKER_01: Dice is up here.
17:58
SPEAKER_01: Wheel dealers are kind of cool.
18:00
SPEAKER_01: 21 dealers, yeah.
18:02
SPEAKER_01: That was it.
18:02
SPEAKER_01: That was our that's our mentality.
18:04
SPEAKER_05: Wow.
18:04
SPEAKER_05: That's so interesting.
18:05
SPEAKER_01: So having to do with 21 had nothing to do with it.
18:09
SPEAKER_01: It's it's layman's stupid stuff.
18:11
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
18:12
SPEAKER_01: So why why did you come to me?
18:15
SPEAKER_04: I don't you know it's 40 years ago, but I guess we were thinking, let's try to do something crazy.
18:22
SPEAKER_01: Something different.
18:24
SPEAKER_04: And it was just gonna be a cash bat, I think 1800 hours, or whatever.
18:28
SPEAKER_01: Well, here it's what it ended up to be.
18:31
SPEAKER_01: They talked me into this thing.
18:33
SPEAKER_06: Who's they?
18:34
SPEAKER_01: Uh his team.
18:34
SPEAKER_06: Gotcha.
18:35
SPEAKER_06: So, Dustin, you you had a team at this time.
18:37
SPEAKER_04: Well, I had a partner who was a very good card counter, and I don't even know why he went and do a craps play.
18:43
SPEAKER_04: But anyway.
18:44
SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize.
18:45
SPEAKER_04: Okay, there you go.
18:46
SPEAKER_06: You're learning something new today.
18:47
SPEAKER_01: I thought it was deeper than that.
18:49
SPEAKER_01: No.
18:49
SPEAKER_06: Okay, so you you you have a team of the two of you.
18:52
SPEAKER_06: Uh one is very well versed in counting cards.
18:56
SPEAKER_06: Um, and now he's saying that, hey, I want to get involved in dice.
19:00
SPEAKER_04: I don't how know how that happens.
19:01
SPEAKER_04: Something like that.
19:02
SPEAKER_04: I probably said that you were a crap stealer, and I probably approached you and said, you want to do something on the craps game.
19:08
SPEAKER_01: They asked me about a craps play, which are it's tough.
19:11
SPEAKER_01: To do a dice play, it's very tough.
19:13
SPEAKER_01: But I conjured up some really super idea that I would pass post a bet.
19:19
SPEAKER_01: In other words, I would put it on the winning number after the dice have rolled.
19:24
SPEAKER_01: And the way this would set up is he would walk up to the table with, at the time, six hundred dollars.
19:31
SPEAKER_01: I'm in for two hundred dollars.
19:33
SPEAKER_01: I can handle that.
19:34
SPEAKER_01: I'm a married guy, broke.
19:36
SPEAKER_01: 200 bucks I can handle back in the 80s.
19:38
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
19:39
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, we walk through the whole thing.
19:42
SPEAKER_01: The one guy in the one end is gonna distract the table with some goofy bet, which usually draws people's attention.
19:47
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
19:48
SPEAKER_01: He makes the bet, Destin would come up and make the bet, and he would throw the money into the table so it would cover both the field and the cum.
19:57
SPEAKER_04: And then I just mutter something like that.
20:01
SPEAKER_04: Supposedly he's gonna hear it.
20:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I would, if it was a field roll, instant winner.
20:06
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
20:06
SPEAKER_01: If it was a seven or eleven, instant winner.
20:09
SPEAKER_01: Come back because the field and the cum, those two.
20:11
SPEAKER_01: There are is a slight chance that something other like a six or eight would roll, which in this case it did.
20:16
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
20:17
SPEAKER_01: And when that money came out across the table, it wasn't six hundred dollars, it was eighteen hundred dollars.
20:23
SPEAKER_01: The limit's two thousand.
20:25
SPEAKER_06: Right.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: So here, all over the layout.
20:27
SPEAKER_01: I'm going, I was like, oh great.
20:30
SPEAKER_01: So now six rolls.
20:32
SPEAKER_01: I throw the money into the box, man.
20:34
SPEAKER_01: He's got to cut out all the money.
20:35
SPEAKER_01: What is it?
20:35
SPEAKER_01: What is it?
20:35
SPEAKER_01: What is it?
20:36
SPEAKER_01: What is it?
20:36
SPEAKER_01: He said, I'm getting to it.
20:38
SPEAKER_01: So now I have a stack of blacks sitting on the six.
20:41
SPEAKER_01: Throw a six, throw a six, seven out.
20:43
SPEAKER_01: Oh brutal, brutal.
20:46
SPEAKER_01: I just crushed right there.
20:47
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
20:48
SPEAKER_01: And so instead of losing just two hundred, now I'm stuck six hundred.
20:52
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
20:52
SPEAKER_01: I can't afford six hundred dollars.
20:54
SPEAKER_01: Right.
20:54
SPEAKER_01: So he forced me slave labor into he's very convincing.
20:59
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
21:00
SPEAKER_04: Then he became a 21 dealer.
21:02
SPEAKER_04: I wonder why.
21:04
SPEAKER_01: So they they they came at me and said, Okay, now can you well, it turns out a couple weeks later I was fired.
21:09
SPEAKER_01: Not because of that.
21:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:11
SPEAKER_01: I got fired because I pissed off a guy who had juice.
21:16
SPEAKER_01: He had a lot of juice.
21:17
SPEAKER_01: He got squeezed in there, he knew nothing about gaming nor the game, and he's barking orders.
21:22
SPEAKER_01: And of course, my personality said, You're full of shit.
21:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:25
SPEAKER_01: Can I say that?
21:26
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
21:26
SPEAKER_06: Fuck yeah.
21:28
unknown: Kidding me.
21:28
SPEAKER_01: This is not PG 13.
21:30
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
21:30
SPEAKER_01: Um even then you could say that.
21:33
SPEAKER_01: That's all right.
21:33
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, so I pissed him off.
21:35
SPEAKER_01: He goes tattles to with the boss.
21:37
SPEAKER_01: I'm out the door.
21:38
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
21:38
SPEAKER_01: So I'm out of a job, and they said, Well, I walked into another job.
21:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:43
SPEAKER_01: And he says, You know, you should get a 21 job.
21:45
SPEAKER_01: I said, I tell you what, I'll this is boring.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: I'll go over and talk to the boss and say, Look, I got some issues with my back.
21:52
SPEAKER_01: Can I start dealing with 21?
21:54
SPEAKER_01: And they said, Well, you know how?
21:55
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, I know how.
21:56
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
21:57
SPEAKER_01: Sure, I know how, but I've never done it.
21:59
SPEAKER_01: Right.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: So I squeezed right in there.
22:01
SPEAKER_01: They started putting me over there, and that's to their demise, is what it turned out to be.
22:06
SPEAKER_04: But he had a new career.
22:07
SPEAKER_01: I had a new career.
22:08
SPEAKER_04: Look at you.
22:08
SPEAKER_01: I squeezed right into uh cheating.
22:12
SPEAKER_04: Well, he was good with a deck of cards, and that really made a difference.
22:15
SPEAKER_01: That made a big difference because as a norm, and they make jokes about this all the time, Steelers are neanderthals.
22:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:21
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
22:22
SPEAKER_01: That's all they are.
22:23
SPEAKER_01: So getting him into 21 in this skill now of pitching cards, you're asking a monkey to deal.
22:29
SPEAKER_01: It's it's really that obvious.
22:30
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
22:31
SPEAKER_01: But since I do the close-up magic, I'm good with a deck of cards.
22:34
SPEAKER_01: It was an easy slide right in.
22:36
SPEAKER_01: Can you do it?
22:36
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, I can do it.
22:38
SPEAKER_01: And it also gave me the benefit because the moves we were doing kind of tilt the actual procedure.
22:46
SPEAKER_01: So they look at me, hey, he's a dice dealer.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: Ah, he's a dice dealer.
22:51
SPEAKER_06: What uh sorry, go ahead, Julie.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I was just gonna say, so now now we're at the point, you know, y'all are running the game together.
22:58
SPEAKER_00: What did a typical night look like from the time you showed up to deal or whether the Kaiser was dealing that night?
23:05
SPEAKER_00: What did it look like?
23:06
SPEAKER_04: Uh he would come in.
23:08
SPEAKER_04: Actually he had a code, I would call him so he'd know when to come in.
23:12
SPEAKER_04: So he'd come in a little before I went back to the game.
23:16
SPEAKER_04: So it looked like he was just a square sitting down playing against a different dealer, which is good.
23:21
SPEAKER_04: Then at say 10 o'clock, I'd come back off break, go to game six, just like the casino said.
23:27
SPEAKER_04: Who's at game six?
23:29
SPEAKER_04: This guy.
23:30
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
23:31
SPEAKER_04: We're all set.
23:32
SPEAKER_04: So then 45 minutes we'd rip and tear.
23:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
23:34
SPEAKER_04: Meaning we'd cheat and win X amount of dollars.
23:38
SPEAKER_06: What are you betting?
23:39
SPEAKER_06: Uh, like what's what's the what's the table minimum at this?
23:42
SPEAKER_04: Minimum?
23:42
SPEAKER_01: I think the minimum was like 10.
23:44
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
23:44
SPEAKER_01: Maybe five or ten.
23:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:46
SPEAKER_01: Now I would go in there early.
23:47
SPEAKER_01: I would bet right in between 10 and 25.
23:51
SPEAKER_01: If I won, I would go up.
23:52
SPEAKER_01: I'm using just basic skills to keep myself level.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: Which doesn't mean I win.
23:58
SPEAKER_01: I just keep myself level.
23:59
SPEAKER_01: So if I'm winning, I go up and I go back down.
24:02
SPEAKER_01: So there's variances in my bets.
24:03
SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
24:04
SPEAKER_01: They can see that when I'm winning, I'll just keep going up.
24:07
SPEAKER_01: So I'm setting a pattern.
24:08
SPEAKER_06: Nothing out of the ordinary.
24:09
SPEAKER_01: Nothing out of the ordinary.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: I blend very well.
24:11
SPEAKER_01: Then when he shows up, same thing.
24:13
SPEAKER_01: I start out small, and within a couple, well, I'd say within 10 minutes, I'm my bets increase.
24:18
SPEAKER_01: Now I'm betting one and two hundred, and then when we have a winning hand coming my way, a stack.
24:24
SPEAKER_04: That he knows he's going to win.
24:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to win, it's guaranteed.
24:28
SPEAKER_01: I would bet, you know, a couple hundred at a time.
24:30
SPEAKER_06: Were these single deck, double decks?
24:31
SPEAKER_06: Single and double decks.
24:32
SPEAKER_06: Single and double.
24:33
SPEAKER_04: That's why we never had a losing session.
24:35
SPEAKER_04: Besides the flash, which you could lose, because he what I was doing is showing him his first card before he had to make a bet.
24:44
SPEAKER_04: So he would bet appropriately.
24:45
SPEAKER_06: How would you do that?
24:47
SPEAKER_04: It was just between these two fingers, uh, deals.
24:50
SPEAKER_04: I pick him up.
24:51
SPEAKER_04: He's sitting at first base, and I flash him the card.
24:54
SPEAKER_04: He's really good.
24:57
SPEAKER_01: And you see it from where you're sitting.
24:59
SPEAKER_01: And you're only getting not the full indice.
25:01
SPEAKER_01: No, just enough.
25:03
SPEAKER_01: Just enough.
25:04
SPEAKER_01: Because if you spend some time looking at cards and you tweet them, after a while, that little sliver of just the edge of the card, you know what the what that value is.
25:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:12
SPEAKER_01: And that's all he showed.
25:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:13
SPEAKER_01: Is that little sliver.
25:15
SPEAKER_00: Well, and if you haven't watched the video that I tagged in the the assets column of our rundowns, you gotta watch it.
25:20
SPEAKER_00: I did try to practice.
25:23
SPEAKER_00: I'm very bad at it.
25:24
SPEAKER_00: I I even watched how you know that that one episode of your podcast, which we'll get into later.
25:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, but where you're explaining to me what you would do to te train yourself how to be able to identify the card faster.
25:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:37
SPEAKER_00: And I would look at it and be like, I ain't got a fucking clue.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
25:41
SPEAKER_00: She couldn't tell me.
25:44
SPEAKER_00: Listen, if you show me the full card, I can tell you what it's deck.
25:49
SPEAKER_01: That's a plus.
25:50
SPEAKER_01: That is a plus.
25:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's like nowadays, look at playing the top of the pair either.
25:54
SPEAKER_04: Can you see it?
25:56
SPEAKER_01: That's what I would need.
25:57
SPEAKER_06: Of course you have a deck of cards.
25:59
SPEAKER_01: You know what's funny it's funny he brings that out and shows the whole indice and beyond.
26:05
SPEAKER_01: He was never that sloppy.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: Never.
26:08
SPEAKER_01: He was a he's a machine.
26:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
26:10
SPEAKER_01: He act his personality is a machine.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: He's very straight-laced, he's great at what he does.
26:16
SPEAKER_01: I can see it.
26:17
SPEAKER_01: And me, I'm sloppy.
26:20
SPEAKER_00: But you were kind of given that excuse because people knew that you were a dice dealer.
26:23
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
26:24
SPEAKER_01: So I could get away with a lot.
26:25
SPEAKER_01: And there would be times where I would push that card out to where you could see the other side.
26:30
SPEAKER_01: Just out of pure laziness, sloppiness, you know, it's just me.
26:34
SPEAKER_01: And he would signal me that, hey, don't do that.
26:38
SPEAKER_04: Like, wow, my eyes, I'm seeing everything today.
26:41
SPEAKER_04: It's so funny.
26:43
SPEAKER_01: I was most inconsistent.
26:45
SPEAKER_01: He's a machine, nothing changed.
26:47
SPEAKER_01: Me, one hand to the next, it could change.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: Who knows what I would do.
26:51
SPEAKER_04: He would get his ring finger in the way.
26:53
SPEAKER_04: So I'd be playing with my ring finger without a ring on it, going, boy, this ring hurts.
26:58
SPEAKER_04: And that would be his signal.
26:59
SPEAKER_04: Get the damn ring finger out of the way.
27:02
SPEAKER_01: But it's no fine.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: I was not precisioned like him.
27:06
SPEAKER_01: And my personality is not precisioned.
27:09
SPEAKER_01: He could get away with stuff I could.
27:11
SPEAKER_06: So even with when you especially when you're playing blackjack, um, you're not necessarily guaranteed wins with these hands because you're essentially you're getting information like what the next card is.
27:22
SPEAKER_06: You're getting information on when you should bet big, when you shouldn't bet big.
27:25
SPEAKER_06: But even still, the there are so many other factors that come into play that it's not guaranteed, you're just shifting the favors more so in our own.
27:32
SPEAKER_04: Well, the odds of the odds are greatly in our favor.
27:34
SPEAKER_04: The best card count in the world doesn't even have a 1.5% advantage.
27:39
SPEAKER_04: We with the flash was probably around 30%.
27:42
SPEAKER_04: Just with the flash.
27:43
SPEAKER_01: You are correct.
27:43
SPEAKER_01: Just because you're getting that information doesn't mean you can use that information.
27:47
SPEAKER_01: For instance, if you're sitting there with a 12 and he flashes you a four, well, you got to take the four, but that doesn't guarantee you a win because you got to hit it again.
27:56
SPEAKER_01: We played strict basic strategy.
27:58
SPEAKER_01: We did not vary.
27:59
SPEAKER_01: Well, we did when it was to our advantage.
28:01
SPEAKER_01: But under the most part, we played basic strategy.
28:04
SPEAKER_01: So if he had a high card, seven or higher, I'm gonna hit my 16 into that.
28:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:09
SPEAKER_04: Unless you saw like a 10, you can't.
28:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if I saw a 10 coming, I wouldn't.
28:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:13
SPEAKER_01: But I wouldn't, I wouldn't stay with a 12 knowing a four was coming.
28:17
SPEAKER_01: I would take that four because you know, if they were to study it, they'll go, that makes no sense.
28:23
SPEAKER_01: Right.
28:23
SPEAKER_01: Why would he?
28:24
SPEAKER_01: And so just because you have that information doesn't mean you can use it.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: I've even at times sit there and I can't take the car to go, look at the guy next to me.
28:32
SPEAKER_01: You should hit that.
28:34
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, so how often would you because another variable is who you're playing with at the table, especially if they're strangers, uh, how often would you play at a table when there are strangers there?
28:44
SPEAKER_01: Anytime we could.
28:45
SPEAKER_06: Really?
28:45
SPEAKER_01: The only the only the only criteria we had is we had to be at first base or that first chair.
28:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:51
SPEAKER_01: Because that way we could see the the flash.
28:55
SPEAKER_01: Plus, when you're doing lay stacks, it's a lot easier figuring that first chair than three chairs in or four chairs in.
29:01
SPEAKER_06: You would never sit at the the last chair?
29:03
SPEAKER_06: No.
29:04
SPEAKER_06: Why?
29:04
SPEAKER_01: Because A, I don't get the information I need.
29:07
SPEAKER_01: And if he were to stack a deck, a lay stack, in other words, figuring out what the winner winning hands is on the table, he's got to go really deep into that lay to find out which cards I'm gonna get.
29:17
SPEAKER_01: It's a lot more mental fatigue on him rather than just glancing and because it in the first chair, there's a burn card in the first card.
29:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:26
SPEAKER_01: If I'm deeper in there, it'd be the burn card and four or five other cards.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: It's very hard to keep track of.
29:30
SPEAKER_06: And also you don't know what the other people playing are gonna do with their hands.
29:34
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
29:35
SPEAKER_01: And it it's just uh it's it has to be that chair.
29:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
29:38
SPEAKER_04: And he always sat there for obvious reasons, but it to the bosses it just looked like a guy liked first base.
29:44
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
29:44
SPEAKER_01: There's a term it's called a flea.
29:46
SPEAKER_01: It's a person that comes in and grinds out on a constantly, you see them all the time.
29:50
SPEAKER_01: No one really likes them, which they did kind of like me, but we call them fleas because they're always there.
29:56
SPEAKER_01: They're like a flea, they're just a nuisance.
29:57
SPEAKER_01: They just scratch them, they're horrible.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: I was a flea.
30:00
SPEAKER_06: I find that hard to believe.
30:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, especially at the end of the night, I'm walking out with thousands of dollars, but I'm just a flea.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: But that's the whole thing try to personify that.
30:08
SPEAKER_01: Is it I do sit in there grinding away.
30:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, and that's what we tried to we tried to pull off.
30:15
SPEAKER_06: So Dustin's your dealer, you're sitting at the table.
30:17
SPEAKER_06: Are you guys friendly towards each other?
30:19
SPEAKER_06: Are you guys just ignoring each other?
30:20
SPEAKER_06: What are you what's your relationship at that table?
30:23
SPEAKER_04: Well, he's not tipping me.
30:24
SPEAKER_04: And that's how you really make money.
30:26
SPEAKER_04: Tips, tokes, same thing.
30:27
SPEAKER_04: So if he's not tipping and winning, it'd be weird for me to like him.
30:31
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he's that would almost be not like him.
30:34
SPEAKER_00: But is it a uh a better move to act like you guys hate each other versus just being neutral?
30:39
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't it wasn't like a little overt, but body language.
30:43
SPEAKER_01: He did what dealers do.
30:44
SPEAKER_01: You got a stiff, he's pissed off.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: He's I'm winning money, he's getting nothing back.
30:48
SPEAKER_04: Gotcha.
30:49
SPEAKER_01: And he's getting pissed off because I keep winning.
30:51
SPEAKER_04: I love this body.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: So he this is the he steams pretty good.
30:54
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he steams better than anyone.
30:57
SPEAKER_04: Oh, I've given him some looks.
30:58
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
30:59
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes he's playing the dealer, he's getting stiff, the guy's winning, and me, I'm talking to anyone who will listen.
31:06
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
31:06
SPEAKER_01: And my biggest my biggest asset was other than stealing, well, I'm sorry, borrowing the casino's money for a day, I would take the bosses out of their positions.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: Now I talk a lot about in these videos, I talk a lot about bosses because I know how their perspective is, because I've been one.
31:22
SPEAKER_01: I still am, kinda.
31:24
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I've been in their positions, I know what they think, what they're watching for, and all this stuff.
31:29
SPEAKER_01: So if they're standing anywhere near that they might possibly get a whim of watching something, I take them out.
31:36
SPEAKER_01: And in one of the videos, I demonstrate how I would bring them into the table standing between me and Dustin.
31:43
SPEAKER_01: A, he can't see the flash because he's up here, and anyone who's back there can't see the flash because he's in the way.
31:50
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: And of course, I'm scooted into the pit, so no one can see the flash.
31:54
SPEAKER_06: So you would even move your chair over the phone.
31:55
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
31:56
SPEAKER_01: We move into the pit, so if he's standing at an angle and looking, he has to look through my head.
32:01
SPEAKER_06: You guys really thought of everything.
32:02
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
32:02
SPEAKER_01: Oh so I would take him out of play and I've talked to him, and they stand there and talk, and it was awesome.
32:07
SPEAKER_01: And I was a friendly guy.
32:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:09
SPEAKER_01: And uh he was just a pissed-off dealer.
32:11
SPEAKER_00: He was always no one thought it was weird ever that you would scoot your chair further into the You would think so, but no.
32:17
SPEAKER_04: And it wasn't like way in.
32:19
SPEAKER_01: It's maybe most of the time you have your spot about this far away from the edge of the table.
32:24
SPEAKER_01: Your spots here and the edge of the table's here.
32:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:26
SPEAKER_01: I was scooting and cut that about in half.
32:28
SPEAKER_01: So I'm still right at the corner.
32:30
SPEAKER_01: And believe it or not, people are superstitious.
32:33
SPEAKER_01: Really?
32:34
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
32:34
SPEAKER_01: So they do weird things, and that just tied into it.
32:37
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
32:37
SPEAKER_01: It's not like I got up.
32:39
SPEAKER_01: Well, what it is, I didn't get up and just actually move a chair there.
32:41
SPEAKER_01: I just kind of over and worked your way over.
32:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
32:44
SPEAKER_04: Because when you do something like this hundreds and hundreds of times, you get it down.
32:49
SPEAKER_04: I mean we took it really to, I don't know if anybody took it the level we did.
32:53
SPEAKER_04: No.
32:54
SPEAKER_04: Seriously.
32:54
SPEAKER_04: And we thought of everything.
32:57
SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of what made us work is that we're pretty much on the same mindset of what things will work and what don't work.
33:05
SPEAKER_01: We pretty much see the same thing.
33:07
SPEAKER_01: And as we said, we're huge contrast in personalities.
33:11
SPEAKER_01: And we thought everything through and we played on each other.
33:15
SPEAKER_01: We knew what each other were doing.
33:17
SPEAKER_01: And uh that's what made this work.
33:19
SPEAKER_04: And we hardly had any signals.
33:21
SPEAKER_04: We only needed one real signal, it was this.
33:24
unknown: Yeah.
33:25
SPEAKER_04: That was it?
33:25
SPEAKER_04: Sniff.
33:26
SPEAKER_04: A sniff.
33:27
SPEAKER_04: Surveillance obviously can't hear us yet.
33:30
SPEAKER_04: And that mainly said take the aggressive action.
33:33
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
33:33
SPEAKER_04: So if he wasn't sure to double down, heard the sniff, I had something.
33:37
SPEAKER_06: You would sniff as the dealer.
33:38
SPEAKER_06: He would sniff as a dealer, yeah.
33:39
SPEAKER_04: Or if uh I wanted him bet bigger, because he didn't know exactly what was going on in my mind.
33:45
SPEAKER_01: He might he might do something that I missed.
33:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: For instance, if he's got the cards out there and I'm doing whatever I'm doing in La La Land, he has a stack out there, he gets it all together, and I didn't didn't see it, or I didn't, whatever, and I'm just like this, he'll sniff, and I go, Oh.
34:01
SPEAKER_00: Gotta pay attention.
34:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:03
SPEAKER_01: And there's a there's a because that's a hundred percent winner.
34:06
SPEAKER_01: I have to tell you this because this plays right into where we're at.
34:09
SPEAKER_01: This is we did have rough nights.
34:11
SPEAKER_01: We didn't always win lots of money.
34:13
SPEAKER_01: We always won something, but not lots of it.
34:16
SPEAKER_01: It was a busy night.
34:19
SPEAKER_01: I could not land on his table.
34:22
SPEAKER_01: So I stuck around, still couldn't land on his table.
34:25
SPEAKER_01: I was there for hours, and I'm playing on the square.
34:29
SPEAKER_01: I'm a horrible I couldn't get first base.
34:32
SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
34:34
SPEAKER_01: I pay basic strategy.
34:36
SPEAKER_01: I'm a horrible card counter.
34:38
SPEAKER_01: Between the two, I manage to stay afloat.
34:42
SPEAKER_01: Later in the evening, as they start closing the games down for Graveyard, he lands on a table all by himself.
34:48
SPEAKER_01: I slam over there, put my hundred dollar chip down on the thing, and you hear and I don't do anything.
34:57
SPEAKER_01: Now that meant that more.
35:00
SPEAKER_01: He's by himself.
35:01
SPEAKER_01: He's he's line, he's got his guns loaded.
35:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:04
SPEAKER_01: I don't do anything.
35:06
SPEAKER_01: He goes, and I still don't do anything.
35:10
SPEAKER_01: And he's he's he's fixing his racks, he's stalling as best he can.
35:14
SPEAKER_01: Then this I go, what?
35:19
SPEAKER_01: And he's he didn't realize I had no more money.
35:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean I had no clue.
35:24
SPEAKER_01: I had I go in with$500.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: I don't ever use that much, but I went with$500, and within a couple hours, I ground it down to$100.
35:33
SPEAKER_04: Playing on the square.
35:34
SPEAKER_01: Playing on the square.
35:35
SPEAKER_01: And like I said, I'm not that good.
35:38
SPEAKER_01: But I survived.
35:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:40
SPEAKER_01: Took my$100 bet out there, and he wanted me to bet the farm.
35:46
SPEAKER_01: That's all the chickens I had.
35:48
SPEAKER_01: So he managed to deal with it, it was a double down.
35:51
SPEAKER_01: I didn't have the money to double.
35:52
SPEAKER_04: Did we call for a marker?
35:54
SPEAKER_01: No, we never did markers.
35:55
SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
35:56
SPEAKER_01: That would mean I have to reveal who I am.
35:59
SPEAKER_06: Personal information.
36:00
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
36:00
SPEAKER_01: Who are you?
36:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm the Kaiser.
36:04
SPEAKER_06: They have seen my movie.
36:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so what had happened is it was a double down.
36:10
SPEAKER_01: Again, I couldn't double down.
36:11
SPEAKER_01: I was out of money.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: So I pissed them off even.
36:13
SPEAKER_06: Oh, sure.
36:14
SPEAKER_06: That's missed.
36:14
SPEAKER_01: That's lost money.
36:16
SPEAKER_01: Within they were closing games, and since he had a player, they do him last, but they're going to close this game.
36:21
SPEAKER_01: And we knew we're on very short time.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:23
SPEAKER_01: In that short amount of time, and them all closing games, no one's paying attention to a good dealer.
36:29
SPEAKER_01: Within I'd say 20-30 minutes, we had two grand.
36:32
SPEAKER_01: Oh my God.
36:32
SPEAKER_01: Then they came over and shut us down.
36:34
SPEAKER_04: Because heads up, I was doing all kinds of stuff.
36:36
SPEAKER_01: Because what happens is I start off with my hundred, that goes up, I'm betting a couple hundred, then I go to two hands, which is total devastation.
36:44
SPEAKER_01: Because now I'm winning twice as much in two hands, him stacking for two hands.
36:48
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it is machine perfect.
36:51
SPEAKER_04: It's beautiful.
36:52
SPEAKER_06: And you're doing this just by because it you're you're shuffling by hand at this point.
36:56
SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
36:57
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
36:57
SPEAKER_06: This is the before the machines and all that stuff.
36:59
SPEAKER_06: And you're doing single double deck.
37:01
SPEAKER_06: So you're able to shuffle the the deck and manipulate it without anybody knowing, anybody seeing or second guessing anything.
37:10
SPEAKER_06: And you know, when you when you do a shuffle like that, how many cards do you are you familiar with where they are in the deck?
37:17
SPEAKER_04: Like well, my stack basically, since he was playing heads up against me, there's only like four or six cards.
37:23
SPEAKER_04: So I could instantly see if the cards were not shuffled.
37:27
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
37:27
SPEAKER_04: And essentially I'm not shuffling that group of cards if he would win.
37:31
SPEAKER_04: So I'm just keeping track of that.
37:33
SPEAKER_06: Are you targeting where the aces and tens are?
37:35
SPEAKER_06: Is that what you're doing?
37:36
SPEAKER_04: You know, the strongest stack was not that.
37:39
SPEAKER_04: The strongest was I give him a 14 and I bust.
37:42
SPEAKER_04: Now, what dealer would give his agent a 14?
37:45
SPEAKER_04: It makes no sense.
37:46
SPEAKER_04: And the dealer busts about 28% of the time.
37:49
SPEAKER_04: So that's super strong.
37:50
SPEAKER_06: So that's where you made your money more so than dealing out blackjacks and 20s.
37:54
SPEAKER_04: Is that well, it was a combination.
37:56
SPEAKER_04: But we, you know, if he always got a 20 or 21, that would be a towel.
38:00
SPEAKER_04: Right.
38:00
SPEAKER_04: So he gets a 15 and wins.
38:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: Beautiful that way.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: So when you're playing heads up, we're playing two hands heads up.
38:07
SPEAKER_01: He's only controlling a small slug of cards instead of a whole deck.
38:11
SPEAKER_01: And when the cards are laid out there, I just had a running cooler there.
38:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
38:17
SPEAKER_01: But anyway, a mini cooler we call it.
38:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh yeah.
38:20
SPEAKER_01: But he sees the cards out there, he can see, okay, this is that hand.
38:22
SPEAKER_01: Okay, that plays out.
38:23
SPEAKER_01: Okay, this will play out in the second hand.
38:25
SPEAKER_01: He already knows what the hands are.
38:26
SPEAKER_01: He has to just pick them up and deal them back out again.
38:29
SPEAKER_04: Beautiful.
38:29
SPEAKER_04: Essentially, I'm shuffling.
38:30
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
38:30
SPEAKER_01: He's shuffling, but not that little slug.
38:33
SPEAKER_01: And so he just keeps dealing with it.
38:34
SPEAKER_04: That's called the lay stack, and that's what you want to do.
38:37
SPEAKER_04: Occasionally, I had to try to build a stack from scratch, and we called it fishing.
38:43
SPEAKER_04: And uh I was decent at it, but we didn't have to do it that often.
38:48
SPEAKER_06: What is fishing?
38:49
SPEAKER_04: Like I said, I'm just as I'm riffling, I'm looking at the cards.
38:52
SPEAKER_04: I'm looking for a ten or ace, keeping that on top.
38:55
SPEAKER_04: Now, if he's heads up, I only have to put one card in between and then try to find another ten or ace, but that's just pure randomness.
39:02
SPEAKER_01: Now, here's the thing in that the standard shuffle most of the time was two riffles, a strip, and a ruffle.
39:09
SPEAKER_01: A ruffle.
39:10
SPEAKER_01: A ruffle?
39:11
SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
39:12
SPEAKER_06: Explain what a ruffle is.
39:13
SPEAKER_06: Are you hungry?
39:14
SPEAKER_06: That's good.
39:15
SPEAKER_01: So you have the the shuffle, shuffle, strip, shuffle.
39:18
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
39:18
SPEAKER_01: And then you deal.
39:21
SPEAKER_01: So you don't have a lot of playtime in there to find two cards.
39:25
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, correct.
39:26
SPEAKER_04: And we never altered that.
39:27
SPEAKER_04: I wouldn't shuffle like three four.
39:30
SPEAKER_04: We wouldn't change that up because that's a dead towel.
39:32
SPEAKER_01: I mean, even if they're not paying attention, you happen to look over and he's he's shuffling three times, four times, five times.
39:37
SPEAKER_01: Why is he shuffling four or five times?
39:40
SPEAKER_01: He's breaking procedure.
39:41
SPEAKER_01: Why is he breaking procedure?
39:42
SPEAKER_01: It just instant, as a boss.
39:44
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
39:45
SPEAKER_01: I mean, a boss sits out there in no no man's land, just but they're sharp.
39:51
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I dog, I mean, through my episodes, I dog on them all the time.
39:54
SPEAKER_01: I used to stand in the middle of these pits for a long time.
39:56
SPEAKER_01: So I know what they're thinking and what it feels like.
39:58
SPEAKER_01: So I dog on them, but most of them are very sharp.
40:01
SPEAKER_06: They know it.
40:02
SPEAKER_06: They know what they're doing.
40:03
SPEAKER_06: Because they've seen they've seen it all before.
40:04
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
40:05
SPEAKER_01: Most of them have been in back in those days, they were much sharper than they are now.
40:08
SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
40:09
SPEAKER_01: But if something caught their eye for whatever reason, it's like radar.
40:14
SPEAKER_01: What's going on?
40:15
SPEAKER_01: Why did they do that?
40:16
SPEAKER_01: Because it's out of procedure.
40:18
SPEAKER_06: They sniff it.
40:18
SPEAKER_01: So we didn't want them to do that.
40:21
SPEAKER_01: Why is he doing that?
40:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:22
SPEAKER_01: Because now you got eyes on the game.
40:24
SPEAKER_01: And that's what we wanted to avoid as much as possible.
40:27
SPEAKER_01: And that's what helped us a lot because I knew what they were looking for, how they do them.
40:32
SPEAKER_01: And that's how I interacted with them all the time, is because they take them out of play.
40:36
SPEAKER_01: That's so funny.
40:37
SPEAKER_06: Julie has a question that she's very excited to ask about.
40:40
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I am very excited.
40:41
SPEAKER_00: So we've talked about obviously the one hand that maybe didn't go the way y'all really wanted it to.
40:46
SPEAKER_00: But what happens after a successful night?
40:49
SPEAKER_00: Because obviously at some point one of you's going to get up and leave the table and the other one's still there working.
40:55
SPEAKER_00: So how did you meet back up?
40:57
SPEAKER_00: What'd that look like?
40:58
SPEAKER_04: Let me tell this, because this this really ties in.
41:02
SPEAKER_04: So we had meeting places sometimes.
41:04
SPEAKER_04: We wouldn't meet every night.
41:05
SPEAKER_00: I assume far away from the casino.
41:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we weren't even near the anywhere near one there again.
41:11
SPEAKER_04: So we meet somewhere, and I'm always early.
41:14
SPEAKER_04: That's just my personality.
41:16
SPEAKER_04: And I'm waiting, and he's always late.
41:19
SPEAKER_04: And I'm figuring he just late, he didn't, nothing bad happened.
41:22
SPEAKER_04: Because when he leaves my table, I don't know what happens.
41:24
SPEAKER_01: You don't know what happens.
41:25
SPEAKER_04: So I'm in the restaurant, whatever, waiting, waiting.
41:29
SPEAKER_04: Here he comes walking in with a big gulp.
41:32
SPEAKER_01: This is a big gulp.
41:33
SPEAKER_04: I mean, and he's been chewing on the damn straw like a little kid for about half there, no marks on it right now.
41:40
SPEAKER_01: I try to be a good boy.
41:43
SPEAKER_01: But yes, I would chew these things down to I would constantly chew them down and nervous.
41:48
SPEAKER_01: Do that to me every time.
41:49
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what it is.
41:50
SPEAKER_01: It's just one of those things that's I can do.
41:53
SPEAKER_01: Do something.
41:54
SPEAKER_00: Well, at some point I'm sure you realize, like, oh, well, the Kaiser's late because he's at 7-Eleven again.
41:59
SPEAKER_04: Oh, that was his.
42:01
SPEAKER_04: I think if you didn't come in with a big gulp, then I would get it.
42:05
SPEAKER_01: Here's the thing is when I was a when I was a bartender, I never drank, I didn't drink water for years, I don't think.
42:10
SPEAKER_01: Every corner of the bar had coke.
42:13
SPEAKER_01: When I got off, I got the big gulps.
42:14
SPEAKER_01: They were glued to my hand all the time.
42:17
SPEAKER_01: It's all I drank.
42:18
SPEAKER_01: And so me having a big gulp was pretty normal.
42:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:22
SPEAKER_01: It was very strange for me.
42:24
SPEAKER_06: Was there uh you you mentioned we we talked about the the employees not necessarily uh getting an idea of what you were doing.
42:32
SPEAKER_06: Um but has there ever been anybody at the table that's that's not an employee that maybe you thought they kind of saw what was going on?
42:39
SPEAKER_06: Like another player?
42:40
SPEAKER_06: Like another player?
42:41
SPEAKER_06: No.
42:41
SPEAKER_01: No, not that I ever No, not that I ever witnessed or anything of that nature.
42:45
SPEAKER_01: Um no, no one else there, because you know what players are they're so zoning on their own and their hand and their winnings, they really don't pay much attention to anything else.
42:55
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
42:56
SPEAKER_01: And so they didn't they can't pick up on what we're doing, or maybe you know, if I win a big hand, they get excited.
43:01
SPEAKER_01: It's like, woo!
43:03
SPEAKER_06: Um what's the average uh like I guess I got two questions for you.
43:07
SPEAKER_06: What would be the average winnings you would take home on a good night?
43:10
SPEAKER_06: And then also what's the most you've taken home uh on one night?
43:14
SPEAKER_06: Are you are you able to talk about that?
43:15
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I I made two dollars an hour.
43:19
SPEAKER_01: And um I don't know.
43:21
SPEAKER_01: The biggest, I think uh I can't remember the exact amount, but there was one night we had a good session.
43:27
SPEAKER_01: I had pockets, I I imagine I had I imagine I had it close to two thousand or so, just grinding out what we had.
43:33
SPEAKER_01: And I always had a floor.
43:36
SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to drop behind a floor, so I had X amount of dollars, so I had two thousand.
43:39
SPEAKER_01: This night I had two thousand and fifty, let's say.
43:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
43:42
SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm gonna cash out the two thousand or at least some of that two thousand.
43:45
SPEAKER_01: Fifty bucks, what am I gonna do with fifty bucks?
43:47
SPEAKER_01: It's only fifty bucks.
43:48
SPEAKER_01: So on the way to the cage, I stop off at a twenty one table.
43:51
SPEAKER_01: Take that fifty, run into another two grand.
43:54
SPEAKER_01: That was playing legit.
43:56
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
43:56
SPEAKER_01: So I ran in two grand, now I'm going there and so now I can take that two grand.
44:00
SPEAKER_01: Grand to the cage because everyone knows I have that and kept the other two grand in my pockets.
44:04
SPEAKER_01: That was like five, five, four grand in one night.
44:07
SPEAKER_06: So would you ever take uh would you ever pocket some of the chips and maybe deposit it later?
44:11
SPEAKER_01: Or would you absolutely we would we would take them home, come back and play out of our pockets because we don't want them to get a beat on us.
44:17
SPEAKER_01: Because if you go to the cage with a lot of money, sometimes they'll call the pit and say, Hey, where'd this come from?
44:23
SPEAKER_01: And they'll you know, well, I don't know.
44:25
SPEAKER_01: I didn't I didn't know it was even gone.
44:27
SPEAKER_01: Um so they keep track of it that way.
44:30
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
44:30
SPEAKER_01: So we just hide it in our pocket, cash out some, because we're gonna come back, or in his case, I would come back to his casino and I would just sit down and start playing.
44:38
SPEAKER_01: So I've come out of pocket, so they don't really know what I'm in.
44:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:42
SPEAKER_04: And then when the boss would come around and ask me how much he'd buy in, I'd always say more.
44:46
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, really?
44:47
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, so they think he's in for five, he bought in for three.
44:50
SPEAKER_04: So already he's a 200-hour loser in their eyes.
44:53
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
44:54
SPEAKER_01: So we always fibbed.
44:55
SPEAKER_01: Love that.
44:55
SPEAKER_01: We lied.
44:56
SPEAKER_04: You know, a lot of psychological deceptions.
44:59
SPEAKER_01: What is really nice about what we did, and we talk about this a lot, even off-camera, is the psychology we employed was enormous because we each had to play people.
45:10
SPEAKER_01: Me, I played more on the bosses.
45:12
SPEAKER_01: I had to take them out of play, and he, you know, kept his game square.
45:17
SPEAKER_01: I mean, just straight and narrow.
45:20
SPEAKER_01: And I would keep an eye on the pit, and you know, you have the boss, it looks like they're looking.
45:25
SPEAKER_01: You know, I take him out of play, or we'd let him know that we got a cooler for a minute.
45:29
SPEAKER_01: So I was just the eyes, and we played a lot of psychology on these guys.
45:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
45:32
SPEAKER_01: Because we didn't want to stand out.
45:34
SPEAKER_01: And if I thought they were even close, one of the places he works.
45:38
SPEAKER_01: I had a thing for one of the female foremen, she liked me.
45:42
SPEAKER_01: Don't know why.
45:43
SPEAKER_01: But I would chat with her constantly.
45:45
SPEAKER_01: She would come over and we'd talk, talk about the TVs up there.
45:48
SPEAKER_01: Just bullshit.
45:50
SPEAKER_01: And she's looking, she's doing her job, she's looking around, you know, checking the other games, listening to other dealers, but she's talking to me.
45:56
SPEAKER_01: Well, she's talking to me, she's not watching the game.
45:59
SPEAKER_07: Here's the fun part.
46:01
SPEAKER_01: Here's the fun part is why she's standing at the game, she thinks she's got the game covered because no one in the right mind cheat right in front of her.
46:09
SPEAKER_01: Right under their nose, literally.
46:11
SPEAKER_01: Because this is the distance between us.
46:13
SPEAKER_01: She's standing, she's standing right here.
46:15
SPEAKER_01: That's her right there.
46:15
SPEAKER_01: That's her right here.
46:16
SPEAKER_01: Looks like her, too.
46:18
SPEAKER_01: She's standing there, and he's still stacking it and flashing me and everything else, but she's looking down on it.
46:24
SPEAKER_01: Can't see a thing.
46:25
SPEAKER_06: Son of a gun.
46:26
SPEAKER_01: But she thinks she's there.
46:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:29
SPEAKER_01: She's got the handle on the game, but hey, I got her right where I want her.
46:33
SPEAKER_01: She can't watch anything.
46:34
SPEAKER_06: Unbelievable.
46:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:35
SPEAKER_01: Psychology was a big portion of our game.
46:37
SPEAKER_06: So you're you're not only playing the people, you're playing the the are you now you're playing the cards, you're playing in the cards.
46:42
SPEAKER_06: We're playing the people.
46:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:43
SPEAKER_01: Big time.
46:44
SPEAKER_04: Same casino, funny story.
46:47
SPEAKER_04: So he's at my game, and we're ripping and tearing.
46:51
SPEAKER_04: Everything's going well.
46:53
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
46:53
SPEAKER_04: And I see the look of fear in his eyes.
46:56
SPEAKER_04: Oh.
46:57
SPEAKER_04: What the hell?
46:57
SPEAKER_04: Out of the corner of my eye, I see this pit boss almost jogging to my table.
47:03
SPEAKER_04: Uh oh.
47:04
SPEAKER_04: I'm going, oh my God, is this the end?
47:06
SPEAKER_04: Are we going to get caught?
47:07
SPEAKER_04: She comes up and whispers in my ear, listen, I can't watch your game.
47:12
SPEAKER_04: There's big money over at the game over there.
47:16
SPEAKER_04: Let me know if anything's going on.
47:18
SPEAKER_04: So now he doesn't know what she said.
47:21
SPEAKER_04: He's about to bolt.
47:22
SPEAKER_04: So I got to tell him everything's cool.
47:24
SPEAKER_04: So I look at a player and go, Wow, that was nice.
47:27
SPEAKER_04: The boss just said, I'm doing a really good job and keep doing exactly what you're doing.
47:33
SPEAKER_04: Oh.
47:33
SPEAKER_04: So now he sits, he stays, and then I give him the stuff, and he knows to bet big, and we want a ton of money because nobody's watching the game.
47:43
SPEAKER_04: Oh my God.
47:44
SPEAKER_01: I'd hate to say we took advantage of situations.
47:46
SPEAKER_01: We didn't.
47:47
SPEAKER_04: But we did.
47:48
SPEAKER_01: We ripped those advantages apart.
47:50
SPEAKER_01: And anytime we had an inch, we took a mile.
47:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
47:53
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we we just tore.
47:55
SPEAKER_00: You must have just felt like the luckiest person in the world that night for her to come whisper that in your head.
47:59
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, I had no.
48:01
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I was on good terms with her overall.
48:04
SPEAKER_01: You'd have to be for a foreman to conside in a dealer, it means a foreman that has confidence in that dealer.
48:10
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
48:11
SPEAKER_01: And that was the big thing.
48:12
SPEAKER_01: Because foreman, you know, they're the gods and they don't really interact with the dealers, especially that sit there and give them that kind of information.
48:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
48:19
SPEAKER_01: So she trusted Destin enough to take care of your own game.
48:22
SPEAKER_01: I'm too busy over here.
48:24
SPEAKER_06: Isn't it ex- So let's just say it's a two-hour night, three-hour night?
48:28
SPEAKER_06: How how long on average would your An hour.
48:30
SPEAKER_06: An hour.
48:31
SPEAKER_06: So an hour long.
48:32
SPEAKER_06: Aren't you exhausted after?
48:34
SPEAKER_06: Like your brain is juggling so many different things.
48:36
SPEAKER_06: Your brain is juggling so many different things, but you're still working.
48:39
SPEAKER_06: Um don't you leave and you're just like just drained, like you fatigue?
48:44
SPEAKER_01: There have been many nights where after a I would say a tense session where things aren't going quite right, or things are just not there, and you especially when we're doing heads up, there was a lot of thinking in that.
48:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
48:57
SPEAKER_01: Because we're both working the cards.
48:58
SPEAKER_01: I'd have because he hasn't have time to signal or anything of that nature.
49:01
SPEAKER_01: I have to see it on there myself and know that I got this coming and make the plays accordingly.
49:07
SPEAKER_01: And sometimes, I don't know why, but I would forget.
49:11
SPEAKER_01: And we're playing two hands, and I forgot what I was supposed to be getting.
49:15
SPEAKER_01: I had good bets out there.
49:17
SPEAKER_01: And this is towards the end of the night.
49:19
SPEAKER_01: A foreman is watching us, but he's he's back over here.
49:22
SPEAKER_01: He's not a threat, but he is watching us.
49:24
SPEAKER_01: So I picked up the cards, and I don't know, he misinterprets something.
49:30
SPEAKER_01: Oh, there's a that's a different story.
49:32
SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
49:33
SPEAKER_01: But he I picked up the cards and then I tucked him, and he comes screaming over.
49:37
SPEAKER_01: Says, you scratched.
49:39
SPEAKER_01: I said, No, I didn't scratch.
49:41
SPEAKER_01: And we had this debate.
49:42
SPEAKER_01: I said, I didn't scratch.
49:43
SPEAKER_01: Look what I got.
49:44
SPEAKER_01: Why would I scratch?
49:45
SPEAKER_01: So he was paying attention, and I just forgot that I should just pick them up and tucked them, you know, give that glance.
49:51
SPEAKER_01: But the way I did it and the way I held, I don't know, it flagged for something for him.
49:55
SPEAKER_01: But the one he was alluding to was a desperate situation doing something you should never, ever, ever do.
50:02
SPEAKER_01: But I'm the Kaiser, I do what I want.
50:05
SPEAKER_01: It's a rough night.
50:07
SPEAKER_01: I got a big bet out there.
50:08
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
50:09
SPEAKER_01: Not really a big bet, but a sizable bet.
50:11
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't like it was a guaranteed winner, but I worked my way up to a good bet.
50:15
SPEAKER_01: I got a 14.
50:17
SPEAKER_01: He flashes a seven.
50:19
SPEAKER_02: Beautiful.
50:20
SPEAKER_01: He's got a stiff.
50:21
SPEAKER_01: So basic strategy says, you know, he's got he's a six or under on his up card.
50:25
SPEAKER_01: So basic strategy says, stay.
50:29
SPEAKER_01: There's a seven coming.
50:30
SPEAKER_01: I got a big chunk of money.
50:32
SPEAKER_01: So I pick up my cards and kind of did this with them.
50:35
SPEAKER_01: He hits me.
50:37
SPEAKER_01: I go, whoa, whoa.
50:38
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay, I'll take it.
50:41
SPEAKER_01: Foreman steamrolled over.
50:42
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
50:43
SPEAKER_01: He says, he says, you were staying.
50:46
SPEAKER_01: You were good.
50:47
SPEAKER_01: No, I just picked up my cards.
50:48
SPEAKER_01: Your dealer hit me.
50:50
SPEAKER_01: Now here's the psychology side of this.
50:52
SPEAKER_01: I already knew what was going to happen prior.
50:54
SPEAKER_01: If I was going to get called out, I already knew I won the argument.
50:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
50:58
SPEAKER_01: Because all he has is what he thinks.
51:00
SPEAKER_01: All I have is I know that I picked up the cards.
51:03
SPEAKER_01: He screwed up.
51:04
SPEAKER_01: I benefited.
51:05
SPEAKER_01: Pay me.
51:07
SPEAKER_01: Bitch.
51:08
SPEAKER_01: I couldn't resist.
51:10
SPEAKER_06: And you can't do that too often, obviously.
51:11
SPEAKER_06: No, no, you can't.
51:13
SPEAKER_01: In fact, in the video I brought this out and I told him this is not a play.
51:16
SPEAKER_01: You do not do this.
51:17
SPEAKER_01: Right.
51:17
SPEAKER_01: I would advise definitely don't ever, even in playing on the square, don't do it.
51:21
SPEAKER_01: Because it's too obvious.
51:22
SPEAKER_06: Are you drinking during these nights?
51:24
SPEAKER_06: No.
51:24
SPEAKER_06: Not at all.
51:24
SPEAKER_01: I don't drink.
51:25
SPEAKER_06: What do you neither drink?
51:26
SPEAKER_06: You don't drink it.
51:27
SPEAKER_01: I drink in a year what most people consume in a night.
51:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
51:30
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
51:31
SPEAKER_01: So I drink Cokes.
51:34
SPEAKER_01: They gults.
51:35
unknown: Love that.
51:36
SPEAKER_01: You know, they deliver the Cokes and that's all I drank.
51:38
SPEAKER_01: I did not drink.
51:38
SPEAKER_01: I I'm going to be as straight as possible.
51:41
SPEAKER_04: Nobody on the team drank.
51:43
SPEAKER_04: You know, because the last thing we want is some drunk.
51:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
51:46
SPEAKER_04: Although, yeah, the best was when somebody appeared to be drunk and they weren't.
51:52
SPEAKER_04: Are you appearing to be drunk, Kud?
51:53
SPEAKER_04: No.
51:53
SPEAKER_01: No, here's the story.
51:55
SPEAKER_01: This is my favorite story, and one of the best moments I ever had doing this.
51:59
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I have great moments, but he sets me up with another agent.
52:03
SPEAKER_01: Now, I had a couple, and he says, Well, here I got someone, and he's not working.
52:09
SPEAKER_01: He said, I'm going to send you somebody.
52:11
SPEAKER_04: So he had not met the agent.
52:12
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what this guy looks like, but he knows the agent knows what I look like.
52:16
SPEAKER_04: And there's a cold work.
52:17
SPEAKER_01: And there's a cold work or something like this.
52:19
SPEAKER_01: He, you know, he's a he's an ex-LA cop or some cop undercover.
52:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
52:24
SPEAKER_01: So he's he's reputable, sharp guy.
52:27
SPEAKER_01: So I'm sitting there dealing away, and I see some guy lingering around outside.
52:32
SPEAKER_01: You know, just kind of said, okay, that possibly be him.
52:35
SPEAKER_01: He's got his beer bottle on.
52:37
SPEAKER_01: He's like kind of swaying, sits down, slops a little like that.
52:44
SPEAKER_01: I go, okay, that can't be him.
52:46
SPEAKER_01: That guy's trashed.
52:47
SPEAKER_01: And at the time, my first chair was full.
52:50
SPEAKER_01: Well, eventually he got up and left.
52:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
52:53
SPEAKER_01: This slog mosey or sloshes over to my game and literally puts his beer up there.
53:01
SPEAKER_01: Gives me the cold word.
53:02
SPEAKER_01: I go, fuck.
53:03
SPEAKER_01: Slot up again.
53:05
SPEAKER_01: What the hell happened here?
53:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:08
SPEAKER_01: Oh, if Dustin says he's good, I guess he's good.
53:12
SPEAKER_01: And I fired out there, and to my surprise, it was his act.
53:17
SPEAKER_06: He killed it.
53:17
SPEAKER_06: He crushed it.
53:18
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
53:19
SPEAKER_01: He was on the money.
53:20
SPEAKER_01: He was sharp as a tack, walked out with shitsholes of money.
53:23
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
53:23
SPEAKER_01: And I was I was stunned because his character was so wow.
53:29
SPEAKER_01: So now we had a promotion.
53:31
SPEAKER_01: Every time he got a blackjack, which surprisingly got quite a few of them, you get a ticket.
53:35
SPEAKER_01: You take these tickets to the promotional booth, you get hats, mugs, shirts, all this wristbands, all this crap.
53:42
SPEAKER_01: So the next time he comes in, he's dressed in all this.
53:45
SPEAKER_01: He's got the hat, the t-shirt, the pants, he's got the mugs.
53:49
SPEAKER_01: He's sitting down, he's just so happy, jovial.
53:51
SPEAKER_01: I go, what a and he played idiot to the good for him.
53:58
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, he was awesome.
53:59
SPEAKER_01: I had more fun with him than ever.
54:01
SPEAKER_01: Because he was spot on every time, no problems with him.
54:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
54:04
SPEAKER_01: But his characters are so far out there that you couldn't help but notice them.
54:08
SPEAKER_01: But if you're noticing him, you're not noticing what's going on in the game.
54:12
SPEAKER_01: God, it was great.
54:13
SPEAKER_01: He was phenomenal.
54:14
SPEAKER_06: That's great.
54:15
SPEAKER_01: Uh just but that first initial thing, oh, what did you think?
54:20
SPEAKER_06: How many guys did you have working with you at at the max, Dustin?
54:24
SPEAKER_06: How many guys do you think you how many agents?
54:25
SPEAKER_04: Well, uh the big plays would be 10, 12, 14.
54:30
SPEAKER_06: What do you mean the big plays?
54:32
SPEAKER_04: Like the computer coolers.
54:33
SPEAKER_04: Computer coolers.
54:34
SPEAKER_04: They're not done very often, but you need an entire team to get a computer cooler down.
54:39
SPEAKER_04: Can you elaborate what that means?
54:41
SPEAKER_04: Uh basically a cooler is where you switch decks.
54:44
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
54:44
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
54:44
SPEAKER_04: Risk.
54:45
SPEAKER_01: Pre-arranged a set of cards.
54:47
SPEAKER_04: A uh computer cooler, the computer figures out how to play the hands without switching the cards.
54:55
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
54:55
SPEAKER_04: A guy called the recorder would record every card that was played.
54:59
SPEAKER_04: It's a fix uh six-deck face-up game.
55:02
SPEAKER_04: So he sees all the cards.
55:04
SPEAKER_04: So now the computer is gonna go and compute how to play the hands.
55:08
SPEAKER_04: You have one player, he plays one, two, or three hands after the false shuffle to deck.
55:14
SPEAKER_04: And basically the BP, big player, is just playing off the signals of the recorder.
55:19
SPEAKER_04: Play one, two, or three hands, X amount of hit cards.
55:22
SPEAKER_04: So, in a sense, the entire six decks is stacked for the player.
55:26
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
55:26
SPEAKER_06: That's so advanced.
55:27
SPEAKER_01: Well, what's the thing?
55:28
SPEAKER_01: But back in the 80s, yeah, back in the 80s.
55:29
SPEAKER_01: What makes this really interesting is the recorder is literally wearing a PC on his back.
55:34
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
55:34
SPEAKER_01: They just stripped out the motherboard, wired it to where he could input it.
55:38
SPEAKER_01: That's the ingenious part.
55:39
SPEAKER_01: Back then when it, you know, they were the size of a pickup truck.
55:42
SPEAKER_06: Are they on the floor with you too?
55:44
SPEAKER_06: Oh, they have to do it.
55:45
SPEAKER_01: They're right at the game.
55:46
SPEAKER_04: He's got a record.
55:47
SPEAKER_04: He's got a keypad in his pocket.
55:49
SPEAKER_04: He's recording the cards as he sees.
55:51
SPEAKER_04: He's got a wired earpiece, no wireless back, long hair to cover it.
55:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
55:56
SPEAKER_04: So the the programmers literally taught the computer to talk and say two numbers, like two, three.
56:03
SPEAKER_04: I mean play two hands, take three hit cards.
56:07
SPEAKER_04: And that was, I mean, that was ingenious.
56:10
SPEAKER_04: Oh, that was that was phenomenal.
56:11
SPEAKER_06: So you had a guy doing that?
56:16
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
56:16
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
56:17
SPEAKER_04: It's out there.
56:18
SPEAKER_04: It really was.
56:18
SPEAKER_04: It's out there.
56:19
SPEAKER_04: And then casinos had no clue what's sayers the BP, he comes up, takes over the game.
56:26
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
56:27
SPEAKER_04: They can watch everything seems on the square.
56:31
SPEAKER_04: And there's nothing on the cards, so they can examine the cards to rapture.
56:35
SPEAKER_04: Sorry.
56:35
SPEAKER_01: You know what really sells that is that they devised it to where your mechanic sets up the cards, you know, lays them all out, puts them up, does all the false shuffling, puts them in shoe, go on break, you leave the table, some innocent bystander comes in and deals out all the hands.
56:52
SPEAKER_06: So that's the be that's another beautiful, beautiful thing you guys did is you would and the the one of your inside people would be the dealer.
57:00
SPEAKER_06: They would set it up as they they would want it in everybody's favor.
57:05
SPEAKER_06: And then the dealer would immediately go on break.
57:07
SPEAKER_06: Uh-huh.
57:08
SPEAKER_06: And the next dealer to come on to take their takes all the heat.
57:11
SPEAKER_06: Takes all the heat.
57:12
SPEAKER_06: They don't know anything because the decks are already shuffled, everything's good, and they're just playing out, and you guys are hitting big.
57:18
SPEAKER_06: Right.
57:18
SPEAKER_06: That's beautiful.
57:19
SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
57:20
SPEAKER_07: That was ingenious.
57:21
SPEAKER_06: How long did that take to set up?
57:24
SPEAKER_04: To max.
57:34
SPEAKER_04: You know, you had a big crew, everybody had to know what they were doing.
57:37
SPEAKER_04: Uh, you had turns.
57:39
SPEAKER_04: So let's say Kaiser's the dealer and he's fall shuffling those cards.
57:43
SPEAKER_04: Well, if you're the boss, we would have uh another team member at the right time buy in like 10,000 cash.
57:52
SPEAKER_06: At a different table or yeah.
57:53
SPEAKER_04: So everybody's gonna go there to watch, you know, the bosses I'm talking about in the eye in the sky.
57:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but if you start coming back towards our game, we have attractive lady cut into you, talk to you, so you don't see the shuffle.
58:06
SPEAKER_01: The old ploy.
58:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
58:09
SPEAKER_04: And now if you have like the little old grandma, for whatever reason, starts to look at that shuffle, we take her out into the desert.
58:17
SPEAKER_04: No, I'm and talk to her.
58:22
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, sure.
58:23
SPEAKER_04: So nobody sees the shuffle.
58:25
SPEAKER_04: So who's ever the dealer, Kaiser, is calm.
58:29
SPEAKER_04: Brilliant.
58:29
SPEAKER_04: As a cucumber.
58:30
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
58:31
SPEAKER_06: You guys really did think of everything.
58:32
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
58:33
SPEAKER_04: Well, you have to.
58:34
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
58:34
SPEAKER_04: You know?
58:35
SPEAKER_06: Um I don't understand how you didn't get caught.
58:37
SPEAKER_06: That blows my mind.
58:39
SPEAKER_04: We were good.
58:40
SPEAKER_01: You took the words right from our mouth.
58:42
SPEAKER_01: We weren't good.
58:42
SPEAKER_01: So good.
58:43
SPEAKER_01: We were phenomenal.
58:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, how's that?
58:46
SPEAKER_04: Oh my god.
58:47
SPEAKER_04: No, I mean, you know how they talk about being in the zone.
58:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
58:51
SPEAKER_04: When I was a dealer, and especially when I was shuffling up those cards, I was in the zone.
58:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
58:57
SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's like I had eyes in my thumb.
59:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
59:00
SPEAKER_04: And I didn't have to look at the cards.
59:02
SPEAKER_04: Brilliant.
59:02
SPEAKER_04: And I was thinking, you know, if you're the boss, burn me.
59:05
SPEAKER_04: There's nothing you're gonna see.
59:07
SPEAKER_04: Unbelievable.
59:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that is and it worked because I did it lots.
59:10
SPEAKER_01: His challenge to the boss is burning him, and he does he does a bit he brought up, which I didn't even know about until he brought up on the episode.
59:16
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
59:17
SPEAKER_01: About a boss coming over and instructing him that he's not shuffling right.
59:21
SPEAKER_01: Really?
59:22
SPEAKER_01: And go ahead.
59:23
SPEAKER_01: This is great.
59:23
SPEAKER_04: I mean, this is an older boss, nice guy, older boss, and it's a dead game.
59:28
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
59:28
SPEAKER_04: So he goes, you know, you you clump shuffle, which I did some, especially.
59:31
SPEAKER_01: It is a clump, you're controlling like this, yeah.
59:34
SPEAKER_04: So he goes, and he does a shuffle, goes, now I want you to shuffle like that.
59:37
SPEAKER_04: Well, I know this is my big time because I knew 30, 40 years in the future I'd be right at a place like this telling this story.
59:44
SPEAKER_04: So this is exactly why I did it.
59:46
SPEAKER_07: You just time trap where you just time trap.
59:48
SPEAKER_04: So I do two push-through shuffles which are entirely false shuffles.
59:53
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
59:53
SPEAKER_04: Right under his nose, because he's watching the shuffles.
59:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
59:56
SPEAKER_04: He goes, that's the way to jump.
59:59
SPEAKER_01: So a push a push-through shuffle is all you're doing is taking packet A, packet B, shuffle them together, and push them through each other.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_01: So now you have A on this side and B on this side.
1:00:11
SPEAKER_01: No disturbance in the cards, and you just restack them.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_05: Unbelievable.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_05: It's a very hard shuffle to per fact.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not the easiest one to do.
1:00:18
SPEAKER_01: Because one car gets out, everything's screwed up.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_01: So p-doom, p-doom.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_01: And brilliant.
1:00:22
SPEAKER_01: And he bought it.
1:00:22
SPEAKER_01: And I said, now that's ballsy.
1:00:25
SPEAKER_06: That's a ballsy move.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_06: You got balls, kid.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_06: I'll tell you what.
1:00:27
SPEAKER_01: That's a ballsy move.
1:00:28
SPEAKER_01: I have to applaud him.
1:00:29
SPEAKER_01: And I'm glad he did that because 40 years later is now I can say, Yeah, I saw I heard that story.
1:00:36
SPEAKER_04: Let me interject another funny story.
1:00:38
SPEAKER_04: Kind of goes with the coolers.
1:00:39
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_04: So when we did big plays like that, I would always wear a disguise.
1:00:44
SPEAKER_04: I thought, you know, it's going to be filmed and stuff.
1:00:45
SPEAKER_00: A disguise.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:00:47
SPEAKER_00: What do you mean, like a wig?
1:00:48
SPEAKER_04: I'd have the dark hair, I mean the gray hair.
1:00:51
SPEAKER_04: I'd have uh supposedly, and I don't know if it's true, but remember the Freddie Krueger movies?
1:00:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:00:58
SPEAKER_04: Somehow I met the makeup artist and he made us false teeth.
1:01:01
SPEAKER_04: Oh, the false teeth?
1:01:02
SPEAKER_04: And the false teeth not only does it change your teeth, but it protrudes your mouth stick out.
1:01:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:01:08
SPEAKER_04: And then I took a pacifier, cut it in two, and put it up my nose, so my nose flared out.
1:01:13
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I looked different.
1:01:15
SPEAKER_04: But you know how you look at yourself.
1:01:17
SPEAKER_01: So the physical features are not the same, is what we're going at with that.
1:01:20
SPEAKER_04: See yourself?
1:01:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:01:21
SPEAKER_04: So I said, what's the best test?
1:01:23
SPEAKER_04: So my parents are coming in, of course, they don't know what I'm doing.
1:01:25
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_04: And this is back when you go right to the gate almost.
1:01:28
SPEAKER_04: So I'm sitting there front center.
1:01:30
SPEAKER_04: I want them to see me.
1:01:32
SPEAKER_06: At the airport?
1:01:32
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
1:01:33
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
1:01:33
SPEAKER_04: They walk right past it.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_04: And they know I'm good to pick them up.
1:01:36
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:01:37
SPEAKER_04: So then, yeah, southwest or whatever, you go down the escalator.
1:01:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:01:40
SPEAKER_04: So I get right behind my dad.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_04: I tap him on the shoulder.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_04: I go, hey, do you know what time it is?
1:01:46
SPEAKER_04: Looks at his watch, goes, it's 7:30, pal.
1:01:49
SPEAKER_04: Never maybe.
1:01:51
SPEAKER_04: Never maybe.
1:01:53
SPEAKER_04: So then I knew if my own parents didn't recognize me, some casino boss hell isn't going to recognize me.
1:02:02
SPEAKER_06: Incredible.
1:02:02
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that was great.
1:02:04
SPEAKER_06: I'll tell you what I like.
1:02:05
SPEAKER_06: I like the fact that you're telling these stories.
1:02:06
SPEAKER_06: And these stories are just the tip of the iceberg of the stories that you've not only have told but are going to tell in the future.
1:02:12
SPEAKER_06: You have a you guys have your own podcast.
1:02:15
SPEAKER_06: You do?
1:02:15
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
1:02:15
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
1:02:16
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
1:02:16
SPEAKER_01: When did we start that?
1:02:17
SPEAKER_01: Uh next week.
1:02:19
SPEAKER_06: Tell us a little bit about it, if you don't mind, please.
1:02:21
SPEAKER_06: Give a little self-crue.
1:02:23
SPEAKER_04: I don't even remember.
1:02:24
SPEAKER_04: This is pathetic.
1:02:25
SPEAKER_04: We don't even remember how we actually came up with the idea.
1:02:29
SPEAKER_04: Just, you know, one of us said it and the other was I.
1:02:32
SPEAKER_01: I think how it worked is he was starting to put out little shorts of moves and stuff.
1:02:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:02:38
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, I watched him.
1:02:40
SPEAKER_01: I go, okay.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_05: Mm-hmm.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
1:02:43
SPEAKER_01: Hey, that one's kind of interesting.
1:02:45
SPEAKER_01: That's a podcast.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_06: Kind of expand on it.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:02:49
SPEAKER_01: It said, okay, this is interesting.
1:02:51
SPEAKER_01: I know what you're doing.
1:02:52
SPEAKER_01: Bores the hell out of me.
1:02:53
SPEAKER_01: But no, it's uh it's interesting.
1:02:55
SPEAKER_01: I said, that might be an idea as a podcast.
1:02:57
SPEAKER_01: I don't know anything about podcasting.
1:02:59
SPEAKER_01: None Zilch.
1:03:00
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:03:00
SPEAKER_01: I just know that's the buzzword.
1:03:01
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
1:03:02
SPEAKER_01: So podcast.
1:03:03
SPEAKER_01: Hey, I approached him and said, you know what you're doing with those shorts, maybe we can make a podcast out of this.
1:03:09
SPEAKER_06: You can make a full 20-minute, 30-minute update.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and he goes, Well, yeah, him again.
1:03:13
SPEAKER_01: We're both in the dark about this podcast shit.
1:03:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I never.
1:03:17
SPEAKER_01: So that's basically how I guess it started and how it grew.
1:03:21
SPEAKER_01: Uh we winged it.
1:03:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:03:22
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I mean, I think I think everyone else does.
1:03:24
SPEAKER_01: They just wing through it and it just developed, and it's it's starting to turn into a little bit more of a production and it's getting interesting.
1:03:31
SPEAKER_06: What's the podcast name?
1:03:32
SPEAKER_01: Cheating at blackjack.
1:03:34
unknown: Yeah.
1:03:34
SPEAKER_06: Simple enough.
1:03:35
SPEAKER_06: Correct.
1:03:36
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
1:03:36
SPEAKER_06: You know exactly what you're getting.
1:03:38
SPEAKER_06: I love that.
1:03:39
SPEAKER_00: Well, and anyone that looks up cheat blackjack.
1:03:42
SPEAKER_00: Cheating at blackjack.
1:03:44
SPEAKER_00: They're gonna find you very quickly.
1:03:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can find the Apperson Cheating at Blackjack.
1:03:47
SPEAKER_01: It's very simple.
1:03:48
SPEAKER_06: Is there is there any media, any movies or TV shows that you feel are as accurate as as possible?
1:03:54
SPEAKER_06: Because you guys have obviously experienced it firsthand.
1:03:57
SPEAKER_06: Obviously, Oceans 11 and all that stuff is one thing.
1:04:00
SPEAKER_06: But like, are there any movies or shows that you've seen that are like, oh, that actually could happen, or is that pretty close to being factual?
1:04:07
SPEAKER_01: I made reference to just that premise in and I think it was our last episode, or one of the last ones we just filmed, is we're talking about the cooler.
1:04:15
SPEAKER_01: And out of the blue, it hit me.
1:04:17
SPEAKER_01: If you ever seen the movie The Sting, the deck switch on the train is a cooler.
1:04:22
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:04:23
SPEAKER_01: And that's the only thing I've got.
1:04:25
SPEAKER_01: Pretty realistic.
1:04:25
SPEAKER_01: Realistic on the spot.
1:04:26
SPEAKER_01: That's how they do it.
1:04:27
SPEAKER_01: They swap decks.
1:04:28
SPEAKER_01: That's so bad.
1:04:28
SPEAKER_01: Just like that.
1:04:29
SPEAKER_01: That that simple.
1:04:31
SPEAKER_01: And that's the only time I've actually seen something that is dead on.
1:04:35
SPEAKER_01: Well, balls on accurate.
1:04:36
SPEAKER_01: That's what that is.
1:04:37
SPEAKER_06: Balls on accurate.
1:04:38
SPEAKER_06: Now, obviously, you guys have uh at the time you you were you know fooling the casinos.
1:04:44
SPEAKER_06: Was there ever been like a home game that you've maybe No.
1:04:48
SPEAKER_06: No You're not gonna you're not gonna cheat.
1:04:49
SPEAKER_01: Well, here's here's my model, you know, and uh this is something I I say a lot and I do believe it.
1:04:56
SPEAKER_01: Never cheat family or friends.
1:04:58
SPEAKER_01: Everyone else is fair game.
1:04:59
SPEAKER_01: So if I like you, you're safe.
1:05:02
SPEAKER_06: That's our relationship.
1:05:03
SPEAKER_06: We good?
1:05:03
SPEAKER_06: Are we good?
1:05:04
SPEAKER_06: Okay, good.
1:05:04
SPEAKER_06: Let's make it sure.
1:05:05
SPEAKER_01: Because here's the thing is when they find out you're a magician, especially when I was dealing, yeah, I would not let people know I was a magician because they automatically equate magician, cheat.
1:05:15
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
1:05:15
SPEAKER_01: That's it.
1:05:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:05:16
SPEAKER_01: And so I never let anyone know.
1:05:18
SPEAKER_01: And then they say, Well, you're a magician.
1:05:20
SPEAKER_01: You can cheat people.
1:05:21
SPEAKER_01: Then that's when I would say, you know, if I like you, you're safe.
1:05:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:05:23
SPEAKER_01: Everyone else is fair game.
1:05:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:05:25
SPEAKER_01: I don't have if I like you, then I'm not going to affect you or steal from you or anything of that nature.
1:05:30
SPEAKER_01: But if I don't know you, I have no qualms about if something comes up, not to hurt you or anything, but if there's an opportunity, I'll get money.
1:05:38
SPEAKER_01: Fair enough.
1:05:39
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't hurt me.
1:05:39
SPEAKER_04: Now the piggyback on that, and you hear, well, yeah, these guys cheated, but they cheated other players.
1:05:45
SPEAKER_04: Now we never had to do that.
1:05:47
SPEAKER_04: They didn't keep track of the money that much back in the eighties.
1:05:50
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:05:51
SPEAKER_04: It wasn't worth it.
1:05:52
SPEAKER_04: The best play that could ever happen, he comes in, I don't make a move, and he wins every hand.
1:05:57
SPEAKER_04: It would never happen, but that would be the absolute.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_04: Absolute best play.
1:06:01
SPEAKER_04: The fewer moves we made, the less chance chance of getting caught.
1:06:06
SPEAKER_01: If you don't do the moves, you don't get caught.
1:06:08
SPEAKER_01: And we never did the moves just because we could.
1:06:10
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:06:11
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:06:11
SPEAKER_01: We already knew we could.
1:06:13
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:06:13
SPEAKER_01: But we're not going to do them just to be showy and to practice or whatever.
1:06:17
SPEAKER_01: We practice off the field.
1:06:19
SPEAKER_01: On the field.
1:06:19
SPEAKER_06: Were the casinos cheating players at all in the 80s?
1:06:22
SPEAKER_01: Nah, none of that.
1:06:23
SPEAKER_01: They never did.
1:06:24
SPEAKER_04: Although a road trip, grandma was trying to cheat us.
1:06:28
SPEAKER_04: What?
1:06:28
SPEAKER_04: Who's grandma?
1:06:29
SPEAKER_04: What's the story telling me?
1:06:30
SPEAKER_04: Who's grandma?
1:06:31
SPEAKER_04: Kaiser's grandma?
1:06:34
SPEAKER_07: Your grandma did never tell me?
1:06:36
SPEAKER_01: If it was, I would have slapped her silly.
1:06:39
SPEAKER_01: We decided that our skills were doing well in Vegas.
1:06:44
SPEAKER_01: Let's take a road trip to Reno and let's really show them how to do this shit.
1:06:47
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
1:06:48
SPEAKER_01: So on the way up to Reno, that very exciting drive.
1:06:51
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm sorry.
1:06:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, we stopped into a few small casinos to play, to eat, or whatever.
1:06:58
SPEAKER_01: And we come across this table, no one's at it.
1:07:01
SPEAKER_01: And little old lady back there, I mean, she had to be 142.
1:07:05
SPEAKER_06: She was the dealer?
1:07:06
SPEAKER_01: She was the dealer.
1:07:08
SPEAKER_01: She was, I mean, I'm not dogging on age, but she was old.
1:07:10
SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
1:07:11
SPEAKER_01: My God, she was old.
1:07:13
SPEAKER_01: So we sat down, he's on third, I'm on first, whatever.
1:07:16
SPEAKER_01: Now she's shuffling.
1:07:18
SPEAKER_01: And when you shuffle, you keep the cards low.
1:07:22
SPEAKER_01: She's bringing them way up, flashing out every card, and then holding some back, holding some back, holding some here and there.
1:07:28
SPEAKER_01: Both Dustin and I could see the indices of these cards as they're falling.
1:07:31
SPEAKER_04: And so could she, obviously.
1:07:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:07:34
SPEAKER_01: She is moving cards around, clumps of cards high and low.
1:07:38
SPEAKER_01: She's separating the deck.
1:07:40
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:07:40
SPEAKER_01: Not well.
1:07:41
SPEAKER_01: Or not invisibly, I'm going to put it that way.
1:07:44
SPEAKER_01: So now that we kind of looked at each other, go, really?
1:07:47
SPEAKER_01: Now comes the cut.
1:07:48
SPEAKER_01: I try to stick him in, she moves the deck.
1:07:50
SPEAKER_01: I try to put him in, she moved the deck.
1:07:52
SPEAKER_04: The cut card you stuck.
1:07:53
SPEAKER_04: The cut card.
1:07:53
SPEAKER_01: So I get the plastic cut card.
1:07:55
SPEAKER_01: Every time I try to stick a word why I wanted it, she'd move the deck.
1:07:57
SPEAKER_01: She moved the deck again.
1:08:00
SPEAKER_01: And I start laughing.
1:08:01
SPEAKER_01: I go, really?
1:08:02
SPEAKER_01: What's good at it?
1:08:02
SPEAKER_01: So she wants me to cut her card.
1:08:05
SPEAKER_01: What she wants to do is cut the high cards out of play.
1:08:07
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
1:08:07
SPEAKER_04: That favors the casino.
1:08:09
SPEAKER_01: Which, you know, favors it because if she has uh a low card up, I'm not gonna hit.
1:08:13
SPEAKER_01: And then she could draw out.
1:08:14
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, sure.
1:08:15
SPEAKER_01: And it worked.
1:08:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:08:17
SPEAKER_01: We played one round and we decided to leave.
1:08:20
SPEAKER_01: It was it was oh, it was really bad.
1:08:22
SPEAKER_01: We call her grandma ever since.
1:08:23
SPEAKER_04: But and him being a nice guy, I don't know if you remember this, but you took like a 25 cent piece, threw it on the tables when we leave, say take lessons.
1:08:32
SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
1:08:34
SPEAKER_01: She was unbelievable.
1:08:36
SPEAKER_01: My God.
1:08:36
SPEAKER_06: Classiciser.
1:08:37
SPEAKER_06: I love it.
1:08:38
SPEAKER_01: That's one time but in the norm, casinos do not cheat.
1:08:41
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're not going to put their license in jeopardy because their money is built in.
1:08:45
SPEAKER_01: Whatever goes in the box, they're getting a percentage of that.
1:08:48
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:08:48
SPEAKER_01: So there's no need to cheat.
1:08:49
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:08:49
SPEAKER_01: I mean, a lot of people say, well, they cheated me, they do it on, you know, they hired cheating dealers and stuff like that.
1:08:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, when the mobs ran it, sure.
1:08:55
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I can see it.
1:08:56
SPEAKER_04: 50s and 60s, but see that.
1:08:58
SPEAKER_01: But when you have the money that's being drawn into these boxes and they're getting a percentage of it, they don't need that cheat.
1:09:05
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:09:06
SPEAKER_01: The money's built in.
1:09:08
SPEAKER_06: So so why now?
1:09:09
SPEAKER_06: Why are you sharing your story with the world now as opposed to just taking it to your grave?
1:09:17
SPEAKER_06: Or you know, whatever.
1:09:19
SPEAKER_01: Great question.
1:09:19
SPEAKER_01: Why?
1:09:19
SPEAKER_01: Well, why would you do this?
1:09:21
SPEAKER_01: It's a lot of fun.
1:09:22
SPEAKER_01: It's a hell of a lot of fun.
1:09:23
SPEAKER_04: And we still have enough marbles to be able to talk pretty well and can do the moves another 10, 20 years.
1:09:29
SPEAKER_01: There's a good point.
1:09:30
SPEAKER_01: We can still manipulate the cards.
1:09:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:09:32
SPEAKER_01: Give me a couple more years, I may not be able to.
1:09:34
SPEAKER_04: And I'm being dead serious here.
1:09:37
SPEAKER_04: We're one of the few people on earth who really did this and did it a lot, not once or twice.
1:09:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we didn't.
1:09:44
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't a whim.
1:09:45
SPEAKER_01: Never got caught.
1:09:46
SPEAKER_01: This was a profession for a while.
1:09:48
SPEAKER_04: And can still talk about it intelligently and do the moves.
1:09:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:09:52
SPEAKER_04: So you're not going to find this level of exposure, I don't think anywhere.
1:09:58
SPEAKER_06: Transparency, yeah.
1:10:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:10:01
SPEAKER_04: And it's like I said, it's fun.
1:10:02
SPEAKER_04: This was so long ago, and just being frank.
1:10:07
SPEAKER_04: Who we cheated against are dead.
1:10:09
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:10:09
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they're literally dead.
1:10:10
SPEAKER_04: If they were in their 50s, they're still alive, they're 90s, they wouldn't even know who they are, let alone who we are.
1:10:17
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
1:10:18
SPEAKER_01: Thinking a beamer there.
1:10:19
SPEAKER_06: Legend had legend has it, grandma's still around kicking.
1:10:23
SPEAKER_06: The old roadhouse.
1:10:24
SPEAKER_01: Grandma's probably still there.
1:10:28
SPEAKER_01: She was unique.
1:10:29
SPEAKER_01: She was so unique.
1:10:30
SPEAKER_04: No, but this is, and it is.
1:10:31
SPEAKER_04: It's a lot of fun.
1:10:32
SPEAKER_04: It is work.
1:10:32
SPEAKER_04: We take it seriously.
1:10:34
SPEAKER_04: But then we have a good time.
1:10:36
SPEAKER_04: I mean, you you gotta do a an outtake of real because today.
1:10:42
SPEAKER_04: What are you looking like for?
1:10:44
SPEAKER_01: Outtake for real.
1:10:45
SPEAKER_04: No, an outtake real.
1:10:47
SPEAKER_04: Oh, I should.
1:10:47
SPEAKER_04: Oh, I have a lot.
1:10:49
SPEAKER_01: You should do an outtake for real.
1:10:50
SPEAKER_01: I go, okay.
1:10:52
SPEAKER_04: Sometimes about something in the book and go, I have no idea what I'm talking about.
1:10:57
SPEAKER_04: What was the question again?
1:10:58
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's just well, Monday.
1:11:01
SPEAKER_01: I have a two-line intro.
1:11:03
SPEAKER_01: Oh god.
1:11:04
SPEAKER_01: All right?
1:11:04
SPEAKER_01: I get halfway through and I go, what do I say next?
1:11:08
SPEAKER_01: Put you to work.
1:11:09
SPEAKER_01: So I go, he tells me, I go, okay.
1:11:11
SPEAKER_01: Blah blah.
1:11:13
SPEAKER_01: He says, you got the script right there.
1:11:15
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
1:11:18
SPEAKER_01: The two of you.
1:11:18
SPEAKER_00: I couldn't write it on a whiteboard, put it behind the camera.
1:11:22
SPEAKER_01: Well, right now I do have our last session.
1:11:24
SPEAKER_01: I can't remember what it was about.
1:11:26
SPEAKER_01: There you go.
1:11:26
SPEAKER_01: See, I can't remember.
1:11:27
SPEAKER_01: It was two days ago.
1:11:28
SPEAKER_01: I have a whiteboard of questions to ask.
1:11:30
SPEAKER_01: There we just kind of wing it.
1:11:31
SPEAKER_01: I just have a direction.
1:11:33
SPEAKER_01: That doesn't always help.
1:11:35
SPEAKER_01: I have a direction.
1:11:36
SPEAKER_01: My mind, I'm flighting.
1:11:37
SPEAKER_01: Work in progress.
1:11:37
SPEAKER_04: It's a work in progress.
1:11:39
SPEAKER_04: Because he can crack me up.
1:11:40
SPEAKER_04: I don't know if you edit him out, but sometimes I'm just about to lose it.
1:11:44
SPEAKER_04: You know, and I'm trying not to, because I'm trying to make it easier for him.
1:11:47
SPEAKER_04: It's playing with strange automobile.
1:11:49
SPEAKER_01: We stay back and forth to each other.
1:11:50
SPEAKER_01: We stun each other, we just start cracking up.
1:11:52
SPEAKER_01: It's like, where the hell did you get this at?
1:11:54
SPEAKER_06: So at what point did you guys decide to hang it up?
1:11:56
SPEAKER_06: What was the one where you were just like, you know what?
1:11:58
SPEAKER_06: We're done.
1:12:00
SPEAKER_04: Well, for me, a couple things.
1:12:03
SPEAKER_04: One, I had a good run, never got caught, uh, made a lot of money, and my mentor got popped.
1:12:09
SPEAKER_04: I had nothing to do with it.
1:12:11
SPEAKER_04: But I also attended his wedding, which was a pretty private thing.
1:12:15
SPEAKER_04: And we found out the FBI surveilled the wedding.
1:12:19
SPEAKER_04: He's a big name.
1:12:21
SPEAKER_04: And now they know I know him for sure.
1:12:24
SPEAKER_04: So I thought, you know, this is not good, and it's time to just retire.
1:12:29
SPEAKER_04: And that's why I got out.
1:12:31
SPEAKER_01: I had no mentor.
1:12:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:12:33
SPEAKER_01: I had no big guy to worry about.
1:12:35
SPEAKER_06: I mean, yeah.
1:12:37
SPEAKER_01: No, well, you know, he he he was my main source.
1:12:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure.
1:12:40
SPEAKER_01: I had agents coming in, but he was my main source.
1:12:43
SPEAKER_01: He dried up, so I still have my other agents.
1:12:46
SPEAKER_01: Rather than try to recruit more agents, which is a lot of work.
1:12:49
SPEAKER_04: And dangerous.
1:12:50
SPEAKER_01: It's dangerous.
1:12:51
SPEAKER_01: A, you gotta it just it's hard work.
1:12:53
SPEAKER_01: We spent countless hours perfecting our craft.
1:12:56
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
1:12:57
SPEAKER_01: I mean, hour after hour, just doing the same stupid shit over and over and over again.
1:13:02
SPEAKER_01: Boring as hell.
1:13:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:13:03
SPEAKER_04: But we each had blackjack tables at our house so we could practice.
1:13:06
SPEAKER_01: So we we practiced everything we got going.
1:13:08
SPEAKER_01: So once he was dropped out, rather than trying to recruit someone, go through all that training, and then the trust issue is the other thing.
1:13:16
SPEAKER_01: Because if I don't know this person well enough, or if I have a friend and he's walking out with all my money, I don't know if he's gonna short me or not.
1:13:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:13:24
SPEAKER_01: And that's a big concern.
1:13:26
SPEAKER_01: Because we're dealing, we don't really know what's in those pockets.
1:13:31
SPEAKER_01: We have a rough idea, but you know, if I give him two snappers at 500 a pop, that's$1,500 he's got in his pocket, and all of a sudden he shows up and says, Here's your cut,$600.
1:13:39
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:13:40
SPEAKER_01: Huh?
1:13:41
SPEAKER_01: Wait a second.
1:13:41
SPEAKER_01: What happened?
1:13:42
SPEAKER_01: I bought a lot of big gold, all those big gulps.
1:13:45
SPEAKER_01: So I didn't want to go through all that hassle.
1:13:47
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
1:13:47
SPEAKER_01: And to give you an idea how tough this is, which I it's second nature to us, I tried to bring somebody in when he was still dealing.
1:13:55
SPEAKER_01: I explained the concept to him.
1:13:57
SPEAKER_01: He's going, Okay, oh yeah.
1:13:59
SPEAKER_01: I got this.
1:13:59
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, this is easy, simple.
1:14:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:14:02
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:14:02
SPEAKER_01: So I bring him in.
1:14:04
SPEAKER_01: I go up against Dustin.
1:14:06
SPEAKER_01: And I'm doing it, and we're doing it, and he's sitting there watching and all this stuff.
1:14:11
SPEAKER_01: Afterwards, I says, Okay, you get a rough out of here.
1:14:13
SPEAKER_01: No, I don't know what he was doing.
1:14:15
SPEAKER_01: What do you mean you didn't?
1:14:17
SPEAKER_01: I sat him so he could see the flash.
1:14:18
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:14:19
SPEAKER_01: So he was sitting kind of close to me.
1:14:20
SPEAKER_01: I'm in more than usual.
1:14:22
SPEAKER_01: So he's he could see the flash.
1:14:24
SPEAKER_01: He knows exactly where to look.
1:14:26
SPEAKER_01: He sees nothing.
1:14:27
SPEAKER_01: He doesn't know, he doesn't get it.
1:14:29
SPEAKER_06: So fucking.
1:14:29
SPEAKER_01: I want to go, are you fucking stupid?
1:14:32
SPEAKER_06: It's gotta be tough.
1:14:33
SPEAKER_06: Because you you really not everybody can have that same mindset of you.
1:14:36
SPEAKER_01: You know, you bring up an excellent point, and you have to have that mindset.
1:14:39
SPEAKER_01: You have to actually, I don't know, see it or have the set mindset, like you said, to see it.
1:14:44
SPEAKER_06: Quick witted or you know, you're doing multiple things at a time.
1:14:47
SPEAKER_06: It's not for everyone.
1:14:48
SPEAKER_01: It is not for everyone, and not everyone can do it, as I found out.
1:14:50
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:14:51
SPEAKER_01: It is a it's a skill that has to be developed, and even well, it's like magic.
1:14:55
SPEAKER_01: I could I could do a trick and tell you exactly how to Okay, okay, okay, quick.
1:15:00
SPEAKER_01: Um I can't help but do that.
1:15:05
SPEAKER_01: There was when I was behind a bar, a guy comes in, he's an amateur magician.
1:15:10
SPEAKER_06: Fucking Kaiser.
1:15:11
SPEAKER_06: I love this guy.
1:15:12
SPEAKER_01: He comes in, he says, Let me show you a trick.
1:15:15
SPEAKER_01: Is that okay?
1:15:15
SPEAKER_01: I said, Yeah, let me see what you got.
1:15:18
SPEAKER_01: He does this really nice effect.
1:15:20
SPEAKER_01: I said, That's really cool.
1:15:21
SPEAKER_01: I said, I do the same effect.
1:15:22
SPEAKER_01: Let me show you how I do it.
1:15:24
SPEAKER_01: Did the exact same thing, the exact same moves, exactly the same.
1:15:29
SPEAKER_01: And his first words were, Well, how did you do that?
1:15:34
SPEAKER_01: How do you mean how do I do it?
1:15:35
SPEAKER_01: I did the same thing you did.
1:15:37
SPEAKER_01: You just did it better.
1:15:38
SPEAKER_01: I did it better.
1:15:40
SPEAKER_01: And I smoothed it out, and I I have the skill.
1:15:44
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
1:15:44
SPEAKER_01: But even though he knew what he was watching, he couldn't see it because it wasn't what he was used to seeing.
1:15:50
SPEAKER_01: So you bring up a good point.
1:15:51
SPEAKER_01: They just don't have that set, that mindset to see it.
1:15:54
SPEAKER_05: Too funny.
1:15:55
SPEAKER_01: That one broke me up.
1:15:56
SPEAKER_01: I said, What do you mean?
1:15:57
SPEAKER_01: What?
1:15:58
SPEAKER_01: I just the same thing, the same moves.
1:16:00
SPEAKER_06: Can you guys give me a ballpark of the amount that you feel like you guys have won over the entire career?
1:16:08
SPEAKER_06: Oh, geez.
1:16:08
SPEAKER_04: I honestly don't know.
1:16:09
SPEAKER_04: Uh, um thief, etc.
1:16:17
SPEAKER_04: And we were doing a big play.
1:16:19
SPEAKER_04: Said never write anything down.
1:16:21
SPEAKER_04: So I never kept any track.
1:16:23
SPEAKER_04: If you don't write anything down, there's nothing fine.
1:16:26
SPEAKER_04: So it was between what$97 and$104.
1:16:31
SPEAKER_04: Something like that.
1:16:31
SPEAKER_01: It was oh I had to tip the waiter once, so it's$100.
1:16:35
SPEAKER_00: More than five bucks.
1:16:36
SPEAKER_01: Buy that for you.
1:16:37
SPEAKER_01: It's interesting, he said we never wrote anything down.
1:16:39
SPEAKER_01: Now, I did keep a database.
1:16:41
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, this is ingenious.
1:16:42
SPEAKER_04: It's back in the 80s.
1:16:43
SPEAKER_01: Back in the 80s, so I had whatever system, I guess it was my oh, Windows just came out, I think.
1:16:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure.
1:16:50
SPEAKER_01: Or they came out, whenever.
1:16:51
SPEAKER_01: But I had a database of all the bosses we interacted with.
1:16:54
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
1:16:54
SPEAKER_01: So if I we had all nicknames, we had Red, Little Girl, and we had them all named.
1:17:01
SPEAKER_01: So I could look at this thing and say, okay, I was up at this person like four times this week.
1:17:05
SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'd not go up against you try to avoid them.
1:17:07
SPEAKER_01: We try being seen all the time.
1:17:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:17:10
SPEAKER_01: We want different bosses to see us.
1:17:11
SPEAKER_01: So I did keep a database of who was watching our games.
1:17:15
SPEAKER_01: So that way I would have a rough idea of how many times someone is seeing me play against him.
1:17:20
SPEAKER_01: Not that they would connect the dots, but my head, I don't want them to try to connect the dots.
1:17:24
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
1:17:25
SPEAKER_01: So I did keep a database of that.
1:17:26
SPEAKER_06: As soon as they have that thought in their mind, then it's it sticks with them.
1:17:29
SPEAKER_06: And then every time they see you, that's one of the things that comes the mind.
1:17:32
SPEAKER_01: You don't want them to connect the dots between me and him.
1:17:34
SPEAKER_04: But wouldn't you say generally, every time you came in to play against me, you at least played against two other dealers?
1:17:41
SPEAKER_04: I did play all the other.
1:17:42
SPEAKER_01: I had to do what we call cover play.
1:17:43
SPEAKER_01: Smart.
1:17:44
SPEAKER_01: I had to actually play the game.
1:17:46
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:17:46
SPEAKER_01: Gambling sucks.
1:17:47
SPEAKER_01: I tell you, it really does.
1:17:48
SPEAKER_06: Are you guys able to enjoy gambling, like playing it straight now?
1:17:51
SPEAKER_04: Or is you haven't made a bet since 1990.
1:17:54
SPEAKER_06: Really?
1:17:55
SPEAKER_04: I'm only gonna play if I got the best.
1:17:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:17:58
SPEAKER_04: The odds.
1:17:59
SPEAKER_04: If not, I kind of find it boring when I did play.
1:18:02
SPEAKER_04: You know, when I dealt, it was great when him or somebody else was sitting at the table, my agent.
1:18:08
SPEAKER_04: But when I had a deal on the square, it was so boring.
1:18:11
SPEAKER_04: I was just I think.
1:18:12
SPEAKER_01: Dealing 21 is boring.
1:18:14
SPEAKER_01: It really is.
1:18:17
SPEAKER_06: Julie, do you have any last questions before we get out of here?
1:18:18
SPEAKER_06: I I learned a lot so far, and I'm very excited to try this out today.
1:18:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I wanted to ask, um so obviously casinos have changed a lot, and I've only ever seen what we know as casinos now, given I turned 21 about six years ago.
1:18:33
SPEAKER_00: Oh.
1:18:35
SPEAKER_00: But you know, not not that I'm saying we're encouraging it, but would you like are people even able to cheat in the same way that you would have been able to in the 80s?
1:18:46
SPEAKER_04: Not in the same way.
1:18:47
SPEAKER_04: There's different things you can do which are riskier.
1:18:51
SPEAKER_04: Sure.
1:18:52
SPEAKER_04: And a lot of high-tech stuff now.
1:18:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:18:55
SPEAKER_04: But no, I mean, dealers don't even shuffle the cards, most of them in most places.
1:18:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they the the whole environment as far as casinos, you can't do what we do.
1:19:03
SPEAKER_01: They don't handle the decks anymore, they don't shuffle.
1:19:06
SPEAKER_00: Well, and I feel like a lot of blackjack is the the automated machine now.
1:19:09
SPEAKER_01: They're all going that way.
1:19:10
SPEAKER_01: They're all they're shoes.
1:19:11
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
1:19:12
SPEAKER_01: And I mean, in theory, I guess you could throw in a computer cooler on one of these shoes.
1:19:18
SPEAKER_01: But the thing is, we don't I I I take that back.
1:19:22
SPEAKER_01: Um they're all machine shuffle, but they use the shoes.
1:19:24
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:19:25
SPEAKER_01: And we also evolve it into the auto shufflers where it just spits out cards.
1:19:29
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:19:29
SPEAKER_01: So what we did is not at all applicable today.
1:19:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:19:32
SPEAKER_01: Not at all.
1:19:33
SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's people out there still cheating the game in various ways, but not like we did.
1:19:37
SPEAKER_01: We were just hardcore taking the money.
1:19:39
SPEAKER_06: And even single and double deck are so rare to find.
1:19:42
SPEAKER_06: It's it's if you do find them, there's only a handful of tables that are doing everything.
1:19:46
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
1:19:46
SPEAKER_01: And so you're not going to be able to blend.
1:19:48
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:19:49
SPEAKER_01: You don't have a whole casino to go to.
1:19:51
SPEAKER_01: You got one table, you're just going to be called out very quickly.
1:19:54
SPEAKER_04: And what we did, it was all sleight of hands.
1:19:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:19:57
SPEAKER_04: They could search us.
1:19:58
SPEAKER_04: Now, if you got computers or lasers and whatever, they catch you with that.
1:20:02
SPEAKER_04: It's bad games.
1:20:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they just have to cut off our fingers if they have caught us.
1:20:07
SPEAKER_06: I can't I still can't believe you guys didn't get caught.
1:20:09
SPEAKER_06: I mean, uh, listen, with Dustin at the helm making sure that everything is exactly in order, I get it.
1:20:13
SPEAKER_06: I especially after meeting you and you know being able to talk to you guys.
1:20:16
SPEAKER_06: I see the meticulousness that you have, but it still blows my mind that you were able to do 500 or so plays and still dodge and weave and you know never really get caught.
1:20:27
SPEAKER_01: That is the beauty of the whole thing, is it's so under the radar.
1:20:30
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:20:31
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's blatant, but it's hidden.
1:20:34
SPEAKER_01: It's under the guise of doing what every dealer does.
1:20:38
SPEAKER_01: There's nothing out of the norm.
1:20:40
SPEAKER_01: The motions are exactly the same.
1:20:42
SPEAKER_01: They load the card, they shuffle the same, it's all the same with slight variations.
1:20:46
SPEAKER_01: And those variations are so slight that if you're not really hawking it or knowing what you're looking at, you won't notice it.
1:20:53
SPEAKER_06: So uh actually I have one more question.
1:20:55
SPEAKER_00: Julie raised your hand, but oh I'm gonna go because I raised my hand.
1:20:59
unknown: Go ahead.
1:20:59
SPEAKER_06: Yes, you're there in the front.
1:21:00
SPEAKER_06: Yes, ma'am.
1:21:01
SPEAKER_00: I have I have two questions, so we'll go me, you, me.
1:21:04
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:21:04
SPEAKER_00: Right on.
1:21:05
SPEAKER_01: Fair.
1:21:05
SPEAKER_01: I love questions.
1:21:06
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
1:21:06
SPEAKER_00: My first one if someone were to show you guys four different tables going on at once, and one of them was pulling the same stuff you used to, would you be able to tell which one it was?
1:21:17
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
1:21:17
SPEAKER_00: You guys would know.
1:21:18
SPEAKER_01: If they were doing, if they were doing what we were doing, there are serious tells of what's going on.
1:21:23
SPEAKER_01: But you have to know you have to know what you're looking at.
1:21:25
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
1:21:26
SPEAKER_01: And in one of our episodes, we mentioned that um we follow procedure, but there's slight variations to it.
1:21:33
SPEAKER_01: And one is with the flash.
1:21:35
SPEAKER_01: When you deal a double deck or single deck, your hand should be flat to the table.
1:21:40
SPEAKER_01: So your deck should always be up.
1:21:42
SPEAKER_01: And when you load the card, you pretty much can do this.
1:21:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:21:46
SPEAKER_01: Over here, like that, that's you're going complete 90 degrees is a dead tell.
1:21:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like this is this.
1:21:51
SPEAKER_01: Let's see this.
1:21:52
SPEAKER_04: But like this, I'm not gonna be able to flash in the card because if I flash the card, it goes into the floor.
1:21:57
SPEAKER_01: So that whole hand turn is a tell.
1:21:59
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:22:00
SPEAKER_04: Now you can see it.
1:22:01
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:22:01
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, you're flashing like me.
1:22:03
SPEAKER_07: Um very little.
1:22:06
SPEAKER_01: So there's a tell there.
1:22:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:22:08
SPEAKER_01: Uh you're you're supposed to.
1:22:10
SPEAKER_01: Back then they were very strict, but I got away with a lot because I'm a clumsy dice dealer.
1:22:16
SPEAKER_01: So I could put my hands in places they weren't supposed to go.
1:22:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:22:19
SPEAKER_01: You're supposed to keep the deck high, I kept it low.
1:22:21
SPEAKER_01: You're supposed to have your hand square to the table, I had it all the way here.
1:22:24
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
1:22:25
SPEAKER_01: I'm supposed to have this hand up, I had it on the table because I could signal him things.
1:22:28
SPEAKER_01: You played the role.
1:22:29
SPEAKER_01: I I I bent the rules to whatever suited me.
1:22:33
SPEAKER_01: But if I were to burn a dealer under the guidance of the rules and they were doing those things, I could spot him in a heartbeat.
1:22:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:22:40
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you really can.
1:22:41
SPEAKER_01: Because I know what I'm looking at.
1:22:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:22:43
SPEAKER_01: But as a norm, no one's gonna be able to see it.
1:22:45
SPEAKER_01: Wild.
1:22:45
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're proof of it.
1:22:47
SPEAKER_01: No one with bosses standing there, surveillance, watching, the whole thing.
1:22:50
SPEAKER_06: I love that.
1:22:51
SPEAKER_01: Do I have time for a quick story?
1:22:52
SPEAKER_06: Please, you have time for all things.
1:22:53
SPEAKER_01: Here's a quick story, and this is this is my favorite one.
1:22:56
SPEAKER_01: We're talking about coolers.
1:22:57
SPEAKER_01: I've done two of them.
1:22:58
SPEAKER_01: Almost as the dealer.
1:23:00
SPEAKER_01: As the dealer.
1:23:01
SPEAKER_01: Very rare.
1:23:02
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I physically dealt two coolers, one the third one that's when I got fired.
1:23:07
SPEAKER_01: That made me cry.
1:23:09
SPEAKER_01: And so I was trying to go for three, getting greedy.
1:23:12
SPEAKER_01: But anyway, it says a single deck cooler.
1:23:14
SPEAKER_01: The house limit was$2,000.
1:23:16
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:23:17
SPEAKER_01: Seriously high for that time.
1:23:19
SPEAKER_01: Now, false shuffling a single deck after they've been laid out is quite easy.
1:23:23
SPEAKER_01: It's very easy to do.
1:23:25
SPEAKER_01: But in this particular place, the BP walks up.
1:23:30
SPEAKER_04: Big player.
1:23:31
SPEAKER_01: Big player.
1:23:32
SPEAKER_01: $2,000 limit.
1:23:33
SPEAKER_01: We got lucky.
1:23:34
SPEAKER_01: The first hand, the first round was three hands.
1:23:36
SPEAKER_01: That's$6,000.
1:23:38
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:23:38
SPEAKER_01: So I'm dealing them out.
1:23:40
SPEAKER_01: Well, what a surprise.
1:23:41
SPEAKER_01: He wins all three hands.
1:23:42
SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
1:23:43
SPEAKER_01: I do not have the money in the rack to pay him.
1:23:46
SPEAKER_01: So almost it seemed like immediately they must have anticipated if this guy wins, we need more money.
1:23:50
SPEAKER_01: So they already had a fill coming.
1:23:52
SPEAKER_01: It gets there.
1:23:53
SPEAKER_01: Now the rules, when I get a fill, these cards had to be discarded for me to take the fill.
1:23:59
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
1:24:00
SPEAKER_01: Now I'm in the middle of a hand.
1:24:01
SPEAKER_01: I got cards on the table.
1:24:02
SPEAKER_01: So I'm telling the security guard, give me the fill.
1:24:05
SPEAKER_01: He says, No, put the cards away.
1:24:06
SPEAKER_01: Give me the fill.
1:24:07
SPEAKER_01: I need the fill.
1:24:07
SPEAKER_01: I gotta pay the bets.
1:24:08
SPEAKER_01: Give me the fill.
1:24:10
SPEAKER_01: And I'm I'm literally screaming, give me the fill so I can pay the bets.
1:24:13
SPEAKER_01: Mind you, I've got 87,000 bosses behind me, and no one's stepping in.
1:24:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:24:19
SPEAKER_01: I just took control of the situation.
1:24:21
SPEAKER_01: He finally slaps the checks out there.
1:24:23
SPEAKER_01: We do our thing.
1:24:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:24:24
SPEAKER_01: He goes away.
1:24:25
SPEAKER_01: Next hand, we get another three-hander.
1:24:28
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
1:24:29
SPEAKER_01: Another$6,000.
1:24:31
SPEAKER_01: Guess what?
1:24:32
SPEAKER_01: I run out of money.
1:24:34
SPEAKER_01: Here comes Barney Fife.
1:24:35
SPEAKER_01: He comes up with this.
1:24:38
SPEAKER_01: Now we go through the same damn argument.
1:24:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:24:40
SPEAKER_01: Put the checks.
1:24:41
SPEAKER_01: No, put the checks.
1:24:42
SPEAKER_01: No, put the fucking.
1:24:43
SPEAKER_01: It went just back and forth.
1:24:44
SPEAKER_01: Finally, he gives in, push the checks out there.
1:24:46
SPEAKER_01: I pay the bets.
1:24:47
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
1:24:48
SPEAKER_01: Now one of those was a double down, which is really cool.
1:24:50
SPEAKER_01: Nice.
1:24:50
SPEAKER_01: So that's$8,000.
1:24:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:24:53
SPEAKER_01: Well, God was in my favor, I guess, that day.
1:24:55
SPEAKER_01: He's a cheat too, I guess.
1:24:57
SPEAKER_01: But I'm sorry, if you guys are religious, I'm really sorry.
1:24:59
SPEAKER_01: You're good.
1:25:01
SPEAKER_01: Classicizer.
1:25:03
SPEAKER_01: Three more hands we get.
1:25:05
SPEAKER_01: Which, wow, okay.
1:25:08
SPEAKER_01: Three hands.
1:25:09
unknown: Wow.
1:25:10
SPEAKER_01: Here comes the money.
1:25:11
SPEAKER_01: Some more.
1:25:13
SPEAKER_01: And in those moments, he got two.
1:25:16
SPEAKER_01: He got one double down.
1:25:17
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
1:25:18
SPEAKER_01: Then he gets a twelve.
1:25:20
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:25:21
SPEAKER_01: I want a double.
1:25:22
SPEAKER_01: Huh?
1:25:23
SPEAKER_04: Which is very rare.
1:25:25
SPEAKER_01: Rare.
1:25:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:25:26
SPEAKER_01: $2,000.
1:25:27
SPEAKER_01: He has a 12 and I have a 10 up.
1:25:30
SPEAKER_01: He wants a double.
1:25:32
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
1:25:34
SPEAKER_01: And I want that card face up.
1:25:36
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I want it face down.
1:25:37
SPEAKER_01: Now our policy, if you're busting on a if you're doubling on a busting hand, is do it face up because the casino wants their money now.
1:25:43
SPEAKER_05: Sure.
1:25:44
SPEAKER_01: If you lose, they want their money.
1:25:45
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
1:25:46
SPEAKER_01: Well, so he's got$4,000.
1:25:47
SPEAKER_01: He wants his card face down.
1:25:48
SPEAKER_01: Hey, he wants it face down.
1:25:51
SPEAKER_01: All right, go ahead.
1:25:52
SPEAKER_01: So I put it face down.
1:25:53
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what it is.
1:25:54
SPEAKER_06: Now is he he's going rogue at this time?
1:25:56
SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
1:25:56
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:25:56
SPEAKER_01: He's following what the computer's saying.
1:25:58
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:25:59
SPEAKER_01: He knows he's not going to bust on the 12, so he's taking advantage of it.
1:26:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:26:02
SPEAKER_01: He wants to double on the 12.
1:26:04
SPEAKER_01: So he's he's knows he's going to win, but he's going to take advantage of that win with a hand that he can get away with.
1:26:10
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, sure.
1:26:11
SPEAKER_01: So because it's it's uncommon but not heard of to double on 12.
1:26:14
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
1:26:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:26:15
SPEAKER_01: But$2,000 into a 10?
1:26:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:26:18
SPEAKER_01: What the f so we go through this whole thing and he takes his money to the cage.
1:26:24
SPEAKER_01: Now that was a$24,000 win.
1:26:27
SPEAKER_01: On a single deck.
1:26:29
SPEAKER_01: On a single deck in three hands.
1:26:31
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
1:26:32
SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of money to go out.
1:26:34
SPEAKER_04: It should have never happened.
1:26:36
SPEAKER_04: Should have never happened.
1:26:38
SPEAKER_04: It should have never been.
1:26:39
SPEAKER_04: Basically, yell at the security guard.
1:26:41
SPEAKER_01: It should have never gone past that first hand.
1:26:43
SPEAKER_01: It should have been broken up right there.
1:26:44
SPEAKER_01: Unbelievable.
1:26:45
SPEAKER_01: But I took control.
1:26:46
SPEAKER_01: But here's the thing I've got the casino manager, the shift boss, foreman up the ass, all around this table, and not one spoke up.
1:26:55
SPEAKER_01: That's wild.
1:26:55
SPEAKER_01: Nobody.
1:26:56
SPEAKER_01: Why is that?
1:26:57
SPEAKER_01: I to this day I'm sitting there going, what the fuck were you thinking?
1:27:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:27:00
unknown: Why didn't they?
1:27:01
SPEAKER_01: But they didn't.
1:27:03
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I literally jumped out and took control.
1:27:04
SPEAKER_01: I told the guy I was I was fighting with the security guards.
1:27:06
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
1:27:07
SPEAKER_01: Barney Fife was right.
1:27:08
SPEAKER_01: I had to put those cards down.
1:27:10
SPEAKER_01: I would not do it.
1:27:11
SPEAKER_04: And the really the catch the owner of the casino literally said, if I can't see it, nothing's happening.
1:27:23
SPEAKER_01: He had that belief in himself.
1:27:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:27:24
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
1:27:26
SPEAKER_01: I've worked with him in two different joints.
1:27:28
SPEAKER_04: How do you know he said that?
1:27:29
SPEAKER_04: He stated in uh I think a newspaper, an article.
1:27:33
SPEAKER_01: He thought he was something.
1:27:34
SPEAKER_01: He's a cocky.
1:27:35
SPEAKER_01: He loved he loved gaming.
1:27:36
SPEAKER_01: He was a nice guy.
1:27:37
SPEAKER_01: He loved gaming.
1:27:38
SPEAKER_01: He wanted to be involved in all the action.
1:27:40
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
1:27:40
SPEAKER_01: When I worked with him in another joint, we had a big player land on the dice table.
1:27:45
SPEAKER_01: He sat right in the box.
1:27:47
SPEAKER_01: He sat right there.
1:27:47
SPEAKER_01: He wanted to be hands on.
1:27:49
SPEAKER_01: We give this guy$50,000 in markers.
1:27:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:27:51
SPEAKER_01: He sits there and he's going about.
1:27:53
SPEAKER_01: He's really finally.
1:27:54
SPEAKER_01: And again, we got everybody and their uncle behind the game because now you got the owner and casino manager sitting.
1:28:00
SPEAKER_01: Box watching this guy play.
1:28:02
SPEAKER_01: I look down, I'll just name him, Bob.
1:28:05
SPEAKER_01: Do you think you should put the lambers out now?
1:28:09
SPEAKER_01: He goes, Oh, yeah, yeah.
1:28:10
SPEAKER_01: He says, You know, you're the only one balls to tell me that.
1:28:13
SPEAKER_06: That's hilarious.
1:28:15
SPEAKER_06: That's very funny.
1:28:16
SPEAKER_01: So I I this was after the one, the the cooler play, and he was in the pit, and no one said a word.
1:28:23
SPEAKER_01: And the guy comes up to me, one of the foremen, one of the flunkies, he goes, Boy, that was that was very strange.
1:28:29
SPEAKER_01: I know, but doubling on 12?
1:28:31
SPEAKER_01: Why would you double on a 12?
1:28:33
SPEAKER_01: So I just focused everything on this 12.
1:28:36
SPEAKER_01: And he goes, Yeah, what?
1:28:38
SPEAKER_01: That makes no sense doubling on a 12.
1:28:40
SPEAKER_06: You guys played the role, especially you, you played the role.
1:28:42
SPEAKER_06: Oh, I'm a flake.
1:28:43
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I can play anything, and I pull it off very well.
1:28:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:28:47
SPEAKER_06: Dustin, you mentioned you had a mentor.
1:28:49
SPEAKER_06: Um, I'm assuming he's the one that kind of got you involved and kind of showed you the ropes, obviously.
1:28:53
SPEAKER_06: Is there any advice that he gave you that you still that kind of stuck with you to this day of like, you know, being in this being in this world where it's not everybody's involved?
1:29:03
SPEAKER_06: And it it's a totally different type of lifestyle, I guess, because you're you know, you're a normal civilian during the day, but also you're doing things that not a lot of people are familiar with at night.
1:29:14
SPEAKER_06: Is there any is there any like advice or things that he shared with you that still kind of sticks with you?
1:29:21
SPEAKER_04: Well, not in words, but example.
1:29:24
SPEAKER_04: I mean, he was just fantastic with the mood.
1:29:28
SPEAKER_04: So that helped me become really good with the mood.
1:29:34
SPEAKER_04: There was never a question of especially if he was doing a move, or is he gonna be able to do it?
1:29:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
1:29:41
SPEAKER_04: And that's kind of how I approached it.
1:29:43
SPEAKER_04: I gotta move down about as good as you could.
1:29:46
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:29:47
SPEAKER_04: So it's never being nervous doing the move.
1:29:49
SPEAKER_04: That never really entered my mind.
1:29:51
SPEAKER_06: What about loyalty in this?
1:29:52
SPEAKER_06: Because you you you you're coming across a lot of people that, you know, especially with a good amount of money, can make them do things that oh absolutely.
1:29:59
SPEAKER_04: I mean, our episode just the other day touched on that.
1:30:05
SPEAKER_04: Um and basically you can be one of the best in the world at whatever, but that doesn't mean you're great at everything.
1:30:14
SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's right.
1:30:15
SPEAKER_04: And you just gotta, especially in this uh environment, you can't trust the wrong people.
1:30:24
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:30:24
SPEAKER_04: And you should be good at reading people and saying, yeah, we had a BP and a really big computer cooler, we didn't know if he was gonna come back to the rendezvous place with the money.
1:30:37
SPEAKER_04: Because this guy was real shady.
1:30:39
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
1:30:39
SPEAKER_04: If he was telling us the truth, this guy was a bad guy.
1:30:42
SPEAKER_04: I don't know how we found him.
1:30:44
SPEAKER_04: So what me and another guy uh told him before the play, we said, this is a test for you.
1:30:51
SPEAKER_04: You do good at this play, but we got another casino we're gonna hit with the computer cooler.
1:30:56
SPEAKER_04: The score is gonna be about a million dollars.
1:31:00
SPEAKER_04: Thinking if he was gonna run with the money for the million dollar score.
1:31:05
SPEAKER_04: Of course, that was all fictitious.
1:31:07
SPEAKER_04: And luckily he did show up.
1:31:09
SPEAKER_04: But again, this is the kind of guy I never saw him again.
1:31:13
SPEAKER_04: I didn't want to.
1:31:14
SPEAKER_04: He just he was a hardcore bad guy if he was telling us.
1:31:19
unknown: Sure.
1:31:20
SPEAKER_06: Anything to wrap us up with, Julian?
1:31:22
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, my fine.
1:31:22
SPEAKER_06: You have one more question for us for the classroom.
1:31:24
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:31:25
SPEAKER_00: Here's the the wrap-up, and it's a real simple, easy question, and the answer might be no.
1:31:29
SPEAKER_00: Seems like everybody had a nickname except for you.
1:31:33
SPEAKER_04: No, I had one.
1:31:34
SPEAKER_00: You just don't want to share it.
1:31:35
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I can share it.
1:31:36
SPEAKER_00: I want to know.
1:31:37
SPEAKER_00: We've got the Kaiser, we've got the recorder.
1:31:39
SPEAKER_00: Is it Lucky Charms?
1:31:40
SPEAKER_06: That's what I've wondered about.
1:31:41
SPEAKER_06: Is it Lucky?
1:31:43
SPEAKER_04: No, I and this is a funny story.
1:31:45
SPEAKER_04: I was called the Buffalo.
1:31:49
SPEAKER_04: The reason I was called the Buffalo is this was a huge play.
1:31:54
SPEAKER_04: We had five cheating dealers, seven players, bosses, but we had to get hired on the square.
1:31:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:31:59
SPEAKER_04: The shift boss was not going to hire me.
1:32:00
SPEAKER_04: He didn't want any connection.
1:32:02
SPEAKER_04: So at the time I had hair down to hair, a big beard that's 260 pounds.
1:32:05
SPEAKER_04: Oh, he looked like a buffalo.
1:32:07
SPEAKER_04: Really?
1:32:07
SPEAKER_04: So I go down to audition, boss says, uh, we have no spots.
1:32:14
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:32:14
SPEAKER_04: So I come back and I tell the main guy, he goes, Well, you might want to clean yourself up a little bit you look like a buffalo.
1:32:21
SPEAKER_04: And that was my nickname, the buffalo.
1:32:24
SPEAKER_06: Legend has it, they named the slot machines after you.
1:32:26
SPEAKER_06: Well, there you go.
1:32:27
SPEAKER_06: You are the buffalo.
1:32:29
SPEAKER_04: But after that play was finished, and it took like six, seven weeks, and we took a ton of money out there.
1:32:34
SPEAKER_04: I was one of the dealers.
1:32:35
SPEAKER_04: I come back to Vegas, cut my hair, shaved my beard, and dropped 90 pounds.
1:32:39
SPEAKER_04: I look completely different.
1:32:41
SPEAKER_06: Good for you.
1:32:43
SPEAKER_00: And then they started calling you the calf.
1:32:46
SPEAKER_06: That's good.
1:32:47
SPEAKER_06: That's a good one.
1:32:48
SPEAKER_01: That was a good one.
1:32:50
SPEAKER_01: You're now the calf.
1:32:52
SPEAKER_01: If I have to be the Kaiser, you're the F that's adorable.
1:32:55
SPEAKER_06: Kaiser and the calf.
1:32:56
SPEAKER_01: Kaiser and the calf.
1:32:57
SPEAKER_01: I like it.
1:32:58
SPEAKER_01: But that's going to be the graphic, huh?
1:33:00
SPEAKER_01: That's it.
1:33:00
SPEAKER_01: Kaiser and the calf.
1:33:02
SPEAKER_06: Well, gentlemen, this was fucking amazing.
1:33:03
SPEAKER_06: This was I really do appreciate the.
1:33:06
SPEAKER_04: I just say again the podcast.
1:33:08
SPEAKER_04: It's on YouTube.
1:33:09
SPEAKER_04: It's cheating at Blackjack.
1:33:11
SPEAKER_00: Are you all on social media as well?
1:33:12
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
1:33:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:33:13
SPEAKER_01: We're all over the expanded a little bit.
1:33:15
SPEAKER_01: He's he's more over than that.
1:33:16
SPEAKER_01: I'm not a social media guru.
1:33:18
SPEAKER_06: That's okay.
1:33:19
SPEAKER_06: That's okay.
1:33:19
SPEAKER_06: You don't need to be.
1:33:20
SPEAKER_06: That's why you have the calf with you.
1:33:23
SPEAKER_01: He's got all that to But I believe we have 12 live episodes now.
1:33:27
SPEAKER_01: We have 12 live episodes.
1:33:28
SPEAKER_01: We got uh another four in the in the can.
1:33:32
SPEAKER_06: I've seen a couple of them.
1:33:32
SPEAKER_06: They're good.
1:33:33
SPEAKER_06: Oh well thank you.
1:33:34
SPEAKER_06: They're really, really good.
1:33:35
SPEAKER_06: Julie's seen them all.
1:33:35
SPEAKER_06: Julie obsessed.
1:33:36
SPEAKER_01: And you release them every Friday, right?
1:33:38
SPEAKER_01: I tried to I've missed once, but every Friday.
1:33:40
SPEAKER_06: Good.
1:33:40
unknown: Yeah.
1:33:41
SPEAKER_06: Love them.
1:33:42
SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
1:33:43
SPEAKER_01: I don't know how you do it.
1:33:44
SPEAKER_06: But uh Listen, you have your tricks, we have ours.
1:33:49
SPEAKER_01: I apparently so, because I got this last episode that the reason I was like, I just we moved things around.
1:33:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:33:55
SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm not the great organizer, but I have an organization.
1:34:00
SPEAKER_01: You have a way.
1:34:00
SPEAKER_01: I have a way.
1:34:01
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
1:34:03
SPEAKER_01: He comes up and says, Well, we should move this up here, move this down over.
1:34:05
SPEAKER_01: This is like, okay.
1:34:07
SPEAKER_01: So now I'm moving folders with all this crap around, and I'm putting this in here.
1:34:11
SPEAKER_01: And so in this last episode, I lost half the show.
1:34:14
SPEAKER_07: Oh.
1:34:15
SPEAKER_01: So I'm frantically searching this drive for all this crap.
1:34:19
SPEAKER_01: And I then I found it.
1:34:20
SPEAKER_01: Yay! Then I forgot where it was at.
1:34:23
SPEAKER_01: Then I had to go find it again.
1:34:24
SPEAKER_01: And it was pure chaos.
1:34:26
SPEAKER_01: So I ended up putting out a day late.
1:34:27
SPEAKER_06: And listen, it happens.
1:34:28
SPEAKER_06: It's happened to us one time.
1:34:30
SPEAKER_06: And I I tell you what, it will never happen again because we have, you know, we we know every time.
1:34:34
SPEAKER_06: We've got to make sure to hit record.
1:34:35
SPEAKER_06: We've got to make sure we state after whatever it is.
1:34:38
SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's a I wish I could say that never happened to me.
1:34:41
SPEAKER_06: It's a right of passion.
1:34:43
SPEAKER_01: We went through half a show.
1:34:44
SPEAKER_01: Then we say, oh, it's a second break.
1:34:45
SPEAKER_01: I turn it off.
1:34:46
SPEAKER_01: Well, we didn't record.
1:34:50
SPEAKER_01: Wow, okay.
1:34:51
SPEAKER_06: Actually, hang on, Braden.
1:34:52
SPEAKER_06: Are we we recording?
1:34:53
SPEAKER_01: I just want to make sure that we now see he says, okay.
1:34:56
SPEAKER_01: Well, because I use a GoPro, it has a front view.
1:34:58
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:34:59
SPEAKER_01: And so it comes on for a preview and then it goes off.
1:35:02
SPEAKER_01: He says, That's not on.
1:35:03
SPEAKER_01: I said, It's blinking.
1:35:04
SPEAKER_01: We're okay.
1:35:05
SPEAKER_01: Plus, I have my little iPad here so I can you know seeing it.
1:35:10
SPEAKER_01: It didn't help that time because I we went through half the show before we go turn it off and it wasn't on.
1:35:15
SPEAKER_06: Listen, it's a war story that you get to share years down the road.
1:35:18
SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
1:35:18
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
1:35:19
SPEAKER_01: But we're we're doing okay.
1:35:20
SPEAKER_01: I think we're getting it work.
1:35:22
SPEAKER_06: Well, gentlemen, this was awesome.
1:35:23
SPEAKER_06: Cheating at blackjack, make sure to check it out on YouTube, all the socials, all the platforms.
1:35:28
SPEAKER_01: It is real.
1:35:29
SPEAKER_04: It is dead real.
1:35:30
SPEAKER_06: It is, yes.
1:35:31
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we shoot it at a blackjack table, and depending on the episode, you see the actual moves we get.
1:35:36
SPEAKER_06: I like that.
1:35:37
SPEAKER_06: I like the fact that in some of the episodes you actually have the like the top-down camera angle and you show exactly what you see as the dealer or you know, the eye in the sky sees at least.
1:35:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's the the big evil in the eye.
1:35:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:35:50
SPEAKER_06: Gentlemen, this was great.
1:35:51
SPEAKER_06: I appreciate you guys coming in.
1:35:52
SPEAKER_06: I appreciate you sharing.
1:35:53
SPEAKER_06: I I definitely want to have you guys back and share some more funny stories.
1:35:57
SPEAKER_01: Tomorrow afternoon.
1:35:59
SPEAKER_06: What are you guys doing later on tonight?
1:36:01
SPEAKER_06: This was great fun, thank you.
1:36:03
SPEAKER_06: Awesome.
1:36:03
SPEAKER_06: Well, let's take a quick break and we will be right back with more Big Head.
1:36:07
SPEAKER_00: Bye.
1:36:08
SPEAKER_00: There you go.
1:36:08
SPEAKER_00: Did somebody just reopen the door?
1:36:10
SPEAKER_00: Or am I tripping?
1:36:11
SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
1:36:12
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:36:13
SPEAKER_00: I'm hearing things.
1:36:14
SPEAKER_06: We're all hearing things, Julie.
1:36:16
SPEAKER_00: It's uh it's That's the intro you're gonna be.
1:36:18
SPEAKER_06: That's the intro.
1:36:19
SPEAKER_06: Let me tell you something.
1:36:20
SPEAKER_06: That was that was incredible.
1:36:22
SPEAKER_06: Dustin and Kaiser, they shared some pretty awesome stories, and I feel like we just got a small sample of the stories.
1:36:29
SPEAKER_00: You gotta go watch the rest of their episodes that they have out so far.
1:36:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:36:32
SPEAKER_00: They really say some wild stuff.
1:36:35
SPEAKER_03: Brandon, do you think you could be a card cheat?
1:36:37
SPEAKER_03: They would cringe if they saw me try to shuffle a deck.
1:36:39
SPEAKER_03: I'm actually shuffle?
1:36:40
SPEAKER_03: I'm banned at the household poker game.
1:36:42
SPEAKER_03: We're doing this.
1:36:43
SPEAKER_03: Like, I'm not allowed.
1:36:44
SPEAKER_03: Like, I'm not allowed to shuffle.
1:36:45
SPEAKER_06: Get get that mic a little closer to you, but also take these cards.
1:36:48
SPEAKER_06: I want to see how you shuffle.
1:36:49
unknown: Oh my god.
1:36:50
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:36:50
SPEAKER_00: He's gonna spread them all out on the table.
1:36:54
SPEAKER_06: They just fly up all over the place.
1:36:55
SPEAKER_03: I don't think I can even fold the cards right.
1:36:57
SPEAKER_06: Let's just see what you got.
1:36:59
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
1:36:59
SPEAKER_06: No pressure.
1:37:00
SPEAKER_06: The pit boss is right behind you.
1:37:02
SPEAKER_00: You're already stressing me out with the way you're holding me.
1:37:04
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, this is Oh.
1:37:07
unknown: Oh my god.
1:37:08
SPEAKER_06: My god.
1:37:09
SPEAKER_03: God, I hope the camera can see that.
1:37:10
SPEAKER_03: This is a public humiliation.
1:37:12
SPEAKER_06: The eye in the sky sees all of it.
1:37:14
SPEAKER_06: They see that Brandon has no idea what he's doing.
1:37:17
SPEAKER_00: Brandon.
1:37:18
SPEAKER_06: Oh my gosh.
1:37:19
SPEAKER_06: Brandon.
1:37:20
SPEAKER_00: So whenever you play Uno, you have to use like the automatic Uno thing.
1:37:24
SPEAKER_06: Brandon is just like, hey guys, do you mind if you deal?
1:37:28
SPEAKER_00: He comes up with a new excuse every time.
1:37:29
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I hurt my finger.
1:37:30
SPEAKER_00: I can't.
1:37:32
SPEAKER_00: Now let's see.
1:37:33
SPEAKER_06: Now let's see.
1:37:33
SPEAKER_06: Because I'm let's see if Brandon cut me a good cut.
1:37:37
SPEAKER_06: 21.
1:37:38
SPEAKER_06: We we we kill we kill a card there.
1:37:40
SPEAKER_06: Uh this would be me.
1:37:42
SPEAKER_06: This is Brandon.
1:37:43
SPEAKER_06: This is the dealer.
1:37:44
SPEAKER_06: This is Brandon.
1:37:45
SPEAKER_06: All right.
1:37:46
SPEAKER_06: So the dealer has nine.
1:37:48
SPEAKER_06: You have 12.
1:37:49
SPEAKER_06: You're probably gonna hit.
1:37:50
SPEAKER_06: You have 16.
1:37:51
SPEAKER_06: You have 22.
1:37:52
SPEAKER_06: You busted.
1:37:53
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, Brandon, you basically work for the casino because the dealer has 19.
1:37:57
SPEAKER_06: I'm actually a spy.
1:37:58
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, you are a spy.
1:37:59
SPEAKER_06: Good for you.
1:38:00
SPEAKER_06: That was great.
1:38:01
SPEAKER_06: Um, what was your favorite story that they had, Julie?
1:38:04
SPEAKER_00: Oh, my favorite story.
1:38:07
SPEAKER_00: I really I think it was the one about the computer cooler.
1:38:10
SPEAKER_00: Like, that is just so crazy to me that someone's wearing, what'd they say, like essentially the entire on his back or whatever.
1:38:18
SPEAKER_00: Can you imagine?
1:38:19
SPEAKER_00: I feel like if anyone walked into a casino now and saw somebody in a leather trench coat with long hair and a wired headphone and you would know immediately.
1:38:28
SPEAKER_00: Like, go ahead and give the guy a fedora too while you're at it.
1:38:31
SPEAKER_06: Crazy.
1:38:32
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that that whole I I still didn't fully grasp the entire uh thing, but at least at least hearing it from them, I was like, wow, that's it's crazy that that was actually a thing in the 80s that they were doing it.
1:38:46
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:38:46
SPEAKER_06: Um, but I'd have to I think when I re-watch the episode, I'll probably get a better understanding of it.
1:38:51
SPEAKER_06: But in the in the in the heat of it, it was so intense.
1:38:55
SPEAKER_06: And there were so many things that were going on during this episode.
1:38:58
SPEAKER_06: Um, and so many things that were going on dur through their mind while they were you know d in the middle of these plays.
1:39:04
SPEAKER_06: How much do you think they actually made?
1:39:06
SPEAKER_00: They probably made well let's see, he said Kaiser said one of the biggest nights he can remember, he walked away with four grand.
1:39:14
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:39:14
SPEAKER_00: He did roughly a hundred and fifty plays.
1:39:18
SPEAKER_00: Dustin did roughly five hundred plays.
1:39:22
SPEAKER_00: I mean, between the two of them, I'd say at least four hundred thousand dollars.
1:39:28
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:39:28
SPEAKER_00: If not more.
1:39:29
SPEAKER_06: Over the course of how many years, do you know?
1:39:31
SPEAKER_00: Four for Dustin and one and a half for Kaiser.
1:39:34
SPEAKER_06: That's a good chunk of change for Enough for a good Jeep.
1:39:38
SPEAKER_06: Enough for a good Jeep.
1:39:39
SPEAKER_06: Enough for a Jeep.
1:39:41
SPEAKER_06: I know, yeah.
1:39:42
SPEAKER_00: That's I wanna I need to research what they're talking about with Dustin being like a world-class hiker or what what is that?
1:39:49
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, they were sharing stories after we stopped rolling that there's there's much more to Dustin than Blackjack.
1:39:56
SPEAKER_06: Than Blackjack.
1:39:57
SPEAKER_06: Uh and I'm very curious about that.
1:39:59
SPEAKER_06: I wonder if I definitely want to have them back on again, but I wonder if we can get them to open up a little bit more next time.
1:40:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe we play Jeopardy, and the categories are Kaiser, Dustin, Big Head.
1:40:11
SPEAKER_03: You gotta burn their uh Joe Lombardo so you get all the things.
1:40:13
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, exactly.
1:40:14
SPEAKER_06: They have one Joe Lombardo each they could use.
1:40:16
SPEAKER_00: No, they have one collective Joe Lombardo.
1:40:18
SPEAKER_06: Oh, just one collective Joe Lebo.
1:40:19
SPEAKER_06: I want to know the sequel.
1:40:20
SPEAKER_00: We're only giving them one.
1:40:22
SPEAKER_06: So funny.
1:40:22
SPEAKER_06: Well, I'm glad they're able to sh like be out and about and share these stories now because it's uh it's it's awesome to hear, and I I still can't believe they never got caught.
1:40:30
SPEAKER_00: I wonder, and I I wish I would have asked them, I wonder if any of the other people that they, you know, ran these schemes with are aware that they've come out with the information about it.
1:40:41
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, they're not divulging like the people's names or whatever, but I wonder how the other people feel about Dustin and Kaiser being so open about it.
1:40:51
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's interesting.
1:40:52
SPEAKER_06: It's very interesting.
1:40:53
SPEAKER_00: Because I I'd be nervous, obviously, like Statute of Limitation.
1:40:56
SPEAKER_06: In 40 years, I'm sure it'd be fine.
1:40:58
SPEAKER_00: But like none of them can get in trouble at this point unless there were other things happening too.
1:41:05
SPEAKER_06: I like I like that story of the the the guy who was played played the drunk uh player, yeah.
1:41:13
SPEAKER_06: And was just so just you know all over the place, but actually had had had it all together.
1:41:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I changed changed my answer.
1:41:20
SPEAKER_00: That was no no no no no no no no that's my that's my story.
1:41:24
SPEAKER_00: All right, let's just see your shuffle.
1:41:25
SPEAKER_00: You wanna see my shuffle?
1:41:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:41:27
SPEAKER_06: So I got the eye in sky watching.
1:41:30
SPEAKER_06: You're on first base, you're on third.
1:41:32
SPEAKER_06: We're doing this.
1:41:34
SPEAKER_02: Oh wow, look at that.
1:41:36
SPEAKER_02: Beautiful.
1:41:37
SPEAKER_00: Almost better than mine, still not great.
1:41:40
SPEAKER_06: Stick your fingers out like this.
1:41:42
SPEAKER_06: Watch ready.
1:41:44
SPEAKER_06: That would be good.
1:41:45
SPEAKER_06: Brandon, you have dice coming in hot.
1:41:47
SPEAKER_06: Oh, look at that.
1:41:48
SPEAKER_00: That's pretty good.
1:41:48
SPEAKER_06: It's pretty much that's the extent.
1:41:51
SPEAKER_00: Double jacks, winning hand.
1:41:53
SPEAKER_06: It's almost like it's almost like I planned that.
1:41:55
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:41:56
SPEAKER_06: But I didn't.
1:41:56
SPEAKER_06: No, I didn't share my story of uh getting kicked out because my story did my story compared to theirs.
1:42:03
SPEAKER_06: I got kicked out of one of the casinos here in town for counting cards.
1:42:08
SPEAKER_06: Making like$20,$30.
1:42:11
SPEAKER_06: They're making thousands and thousands of dollars and they're doing it for you know as a full-time gig.
1:42:16
SPEAKER_00: I wonder how they split the money too.
1:42:19
SPEAKER_00: Like I wonder if like the dealer, I mean, I'd assume the dealer and the agent made more money than the attractive girl distracting a boss.
1:42:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:42:27
SPEAKER_00: I would assume.
1:42:28
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:42:29
SPEAKER_00: But I wonder.
1:42:29
SPEAKER_06: That's so I mean, honestly, they're their distractions were straight out of a movie.
1:42:34
SPEAKER_06: Like the hot girl walking by that everybody looks at, or the guy making a scene on the other side of the room or something like that.
1:42:40
SPEAKER_06: It's straight out of TV.
1:42:42
SPEAKER_00: Well, and I think that's pr probably what is it, art imitating life.
1:42:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:42:47
SPEAKER_00: Some of those movies came out after they were doing stuff like that.
1:42:51
SPEAKER_06: I like how I liked how meticulous Dustin was too.
1:42:53
SPEAKER_06: He seemed like a very very like detail-oriented.
1:42:57
SPEAKER_06: There's a movie called Heat.
1:42:59
SPEAKER_06: Uh, I don't know if you guys have seen it.
1:43:00
SPEAKER_06: I think I've seen it.
1:43:01
SPEAKER_06: Um Robert De Niro is in it, and he plays the bad guy, uh, but he's very meticulous and he's very detail-oriented, and he's great at what he does.
1:43:11
SPEAKER_06: Um, and I saw a lot of similarities between you know the character that Robert De Niro was playing and this the person I was imagining Dustin to be as they were sharing their stories.
1:43:21
SPEAKER_06: Right.
1:43:22
SPEAKER_06: Uh, but yeah, it was good.
1:43:23
SPEAKER_06: It was really good.
1:43:24
SPEAKER_06: I'm excited to uh try out some of these, some of these strategies they did and see if it works out.
1:43:29
SPEAKER_00: Hey Brandon, have you ever heard of the game 52 Pickup?
1:43:32
SPEAKER_00: No, I have no.
1:43:33
SPEAKER_06: What is that?
1:43:34
SPEAKER_00: Should we end the episode playing?
1:43:37
SPEAKER_00: Hey.
1:43:38
SPEAKER_00: Now pick them up, Brandon.
1:43:41
SPEAKER_06: Catch new episodes each week on Heybighead.com.
1:43:46
SPEAKER_06: Hey, I'm pretty good at that card though.
1:43:47
SPEAKER_00: Where's HR?
1:43:48
SPEAKER_06: Where's HR?
1:43:49
SPEAKER_06: I am HR.
1:43:50
SPEAKER_06: Uh we'll see you guys next week.
1:43:52
SPEAKER_02: Let's go.
1:43:53
SPEAKER_00: It's like you've really never heard anyone say you want to play 52 pickup.