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09/01/26 - Hour 2 · The Huddle

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  Speaker 1: Are huddled up on a Tuesday. This club is going up, Billy.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, Drake was on to something. Gets that club going
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  Speaker 2: on a Tuesday. It's the right way to work.
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  Speaker 1: Broadcasting live on the AM dial, 920 Milwaukee, 1070 Madison,
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  Speaker 1: club to open, and people who are up at 6 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: As part of their daily routine. We welcome all to
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  Speaker 1: the huddle today. Sadly, 17-3, Brewers lose last night in
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  Speaker 1: the opener of the series to end all series. And
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  Speaker 1: I have to say, I haven't been taking the pulse.
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  Speaker 1: I saw one of our colleagues who does what we
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  Speaker 1: do in Chicago, who is vacationing in Wisconsin. Of course
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  Speaker 1: they are. Of course they are. Availing himself of our beauty.
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  Speaker 1: Lake Geneva, Adore County. You tell me that he didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to go on vacation. He didn't want to go
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  Speaker 1: to Kankakee for some reason. He went to a grocery
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  Speaker 1: store that had the plastic bags with the Packers logo
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  Speaker 1: on it, and he used that to pick up his
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  Speaker 1: dog excrement. Oh, you're so funny. That's hilarious. That's a social.
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  Speaker 1: What an own. What an own. But if I was
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  Speaker 1: in Chicago broadcasting to a Chicago audience, and this is
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  Speaker 1: just me, I guess, but I'd be like, they're not
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  Speaker 1: going to win the division, so what are we even
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  Speaker 1: worried about? Just think about Roland Goodman. Don't waste all
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  Speaker 1: these homers. We're going to be playing in the wild card.
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  Speaker 1: We have a good team. I would not have the
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  Speaker 1: division on my radar totally. I think there are people
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  Speaker 1: that still think that it's possible.
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  Speaker 2: Or probable that they'll win the division. Well, that probable
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  Speaker 2: would be a tough one to sell. Possible is definitely
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  Speaker 2: something you can sell hope stock for.
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  Speaker 1: Sell the dream, right?
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  Speaker 2: And the reason why is just because of how valuable
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  Speaker 2: it is, right? Because you win this division, you're going
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  Speaker 2: to win the buy, and you then would keep on
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  Speaker 2: this torrid pace that they're on. I do think that
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  Speaker 2: most would have to be reasonable about it and realize
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  Speaker 2: that the wild card is where they're going to go.
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  Speaker 2: And frankly, Drew, that might be a hotter chase. Philadelphia
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  Speaker 2: has won 14 of their last 16. They just won
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  Speaker 2: again last night. And they're tied with them right now
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  Speaker 2: for who would host that three-game series. And as much
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  Speaker 2: as you want to win the division, as much as
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  Speaker 2: you'd love to be able to, they just got to
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  Speaker 2: keep winning games because they don't want to go to
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  Speaker 2: Philadelphia for that three-game best-of-three series.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: They have to worry about that. They have to worry
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  Speaker 3: about their playoff spot. And I think most of them
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  Speaker 3: would deep down agree that the divisions are the longest
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  Speaker 3: of shots. But I think you underestimate the emotions of
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  Speaker 3: so many grown men that were really hurt last year
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  Speaker 3: when the Brewers flew the L flag. in their stadium
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  Speaker 3: after a generational series win. And it's bothered them. And
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  Speaker 3: it's bothered that fan base for so long that somebody
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  Speaker 3: would dare use the L flag against them. And they've
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  Speaker 3: had a burn their side about the Brewers for this long.
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  Speaker 3: And that was the pinnacle of it. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: that was even the start of it. They've been frustrated
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  Speaker 3: for a year. No, Billy, it's true. They've been frustrated
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  Speaker 3: for years that this little team up north keeps winning,
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  Speaker 3: and they don't know how. What are they drinking up there?
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  Speaker 3: What is the magic potion up there? Why are the
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  Speaker 3: Brewers inevitable? This has to end. This doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 3: They must be cheating. They must be this. It just
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  Speaker 3: bothers them to no end. So any moment they can
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  Speaker 3: to get a whooping on us in their own home park,
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  Speaker 3: they're going to try and farm that for all the
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  Speaker 3: aura they can.
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  Speaker 1: And that's just the reality of the situation.
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  Speaker 3: So I think we underestimate that the fragility of the
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  Speaker 3: emotions of the grown adults in Chicagoland, mostly in the
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  Speaker 3: north side, that need anything they can. Even if the
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  Speaker 3: lead is only cut to seven, they need a moment
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  Speaker 3: like that to say, see, we're still the best.
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  Speaker 1: We're still cooler.
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  Speaker 3: We still are Wrigley. We still drink old style, whatever, whatever, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that's part.
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  Speaker 1: Of the point. I'm glad we don't have that fragility
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  Speaker 1: of Matt. Thank you. Well, we have some. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to lie. I have emotional, too. I'm emotional, too.
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  Speaker 1: Emotional damage. Well, they just, that's what it is. Let's
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  Speaker 1: put a quarter in them. Look at that rant. That
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  Speaker 1: was beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: Come on.
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  Speaker 1: What a rant. I mean, that was right up there with...
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  Speaker 1: BMW driving when that could live.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Clip it. Oh man. Clip it. Set it
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  Speaker 1: to him.
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  Speaker 3: But, but listen, this is what it is now. Then
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  Speaker 3: you have like the, the, the true, there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of true feared Eeyore sports fans that deep down they, they,
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  Speaker 3: they have two sides of it like you lose a
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  Speaker 3: game like this you start to think about that dark
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  Speaker 3: door like well maybe we will lose every game and
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  Speaker 3: lose the division and collapse and then you have the
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  Speaker 3: opposite of the super high pie in the sky optimism
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  Speaker 3: where we'll be one one why can't we win seven
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  Speaker 3: more and then all of a sudden we're going to
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  Speaker 3: be awesome and win the division well.
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  Speaker 2: And to me i think the come the comeback dream
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  Speaker 2: would also happen from as mike and meryl sent us
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  Speaker 2: in uh Early this morning as Mike was waking up,
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  Speaker 2: even before the five o'clock club started, he was up
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  Speaker 2: four 27.
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  Speaker 1: This one came in.
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  Speaker 2: My man said, it's absolutely amazing how the majority of
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  Speaker 2: that fan base for the Cubs, including the media on
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  Speaker 2: marquee sports network are a bunch of jack wads.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go.
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  Speaker 2: Wisconsin lives rent free in their pea sized brains. This
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  Speaker 2: was just on the Cubs post game show on marquee.
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  Speaker 2: And as per usual, they were doing green, green Bay
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  Speaker 2: sucks chance on TV. And the score bug got flipped
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  Speaker 2: onto Marquis, at least onto the postgame show.
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  Speaker 1: As the Bears up 17-3 over the Packers.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's where some of the dream of the
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  Speaker 2: comeback would come from, is that they just watched a
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  Speaker 2: 21-3 comeback in the playoffs. And, you know, as Armand
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  Speaker 2: continues to hammer home the generational victory over.
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  Speaker 1: The Cubs in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: That was a generational win for Bears fans in January.
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  Speaker 3: That's how they feel about it. Don't question about it.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean, if you're going to listen, if you're
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  Speaker 2: going to call the Brewers winning in game five of
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  Speaker 2: the first round of the playoffs, then I think you
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  Speaker 2: can call beating your. arch rival, the oldest rival in
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  Speaker 2: football in a playoff game as a generational win.
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  Speaker 3: Well, second round, because there was a wildcard round, but yes,
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  Speaker 3: that's fair. It's a playoff win, but at least we
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  Speaker 3: will always have the NFC championship game that we beat.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's fair, but that was also now a generation ago.
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  Speaker 1: There's overlap. Yeah, but the I'd rather win the NFC
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  Speaker 1: championship game on enemy soil than, you know, wildcard round.
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  Speaker 2: No one's arguing that. But again, like this is, but
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  Speaker 2: that was also 15 years ago. So, I mean, like,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to do the, if it's a generation
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  Speaker 2: is 20 years as Jim Nance taught us on the
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  Speaker 2: Superbowl a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 3: But we legit would be it. At least we legit
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  Speaker 3: won it. Theirs was kind of a, a really fall
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  Speaker 3: ass backwards. Lucky kind of win.
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  Speaker 1: Wouldn't you say the fall ass backwards?
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  Speaker 2: Lucky kind of win where they score 25 points in
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  Speaker 2: the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying we walked away from the Brewers Cup
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  Speaker 3: series saying, OK, the better team won.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone knows that.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't think people walked away from the Bears
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  Speaker 3: Packers game thinking that.
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  Speaker 1: That's my point right there. I just think they got
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  Speaker 1: lucky and we blew it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying we blew it, okay? Now, maybe I'm being
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  Speaker 3: a little unfair by saying that, okay? I'll admit that.
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see if the people agree. 877-794-1973. We were asking
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  Speaker 2: earlier this morning how long you made it last night,
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  Speaker 2: how far you made it into the game. I liked
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  Speaker 2: our friend Jeffrey in Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why. But I made it until the
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  Speaker 1: sixth inning until I called it. Come on, Jeffrey. Blush
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  Speaker 1: it down. It's a new day.
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  Speaker 2: Janney and Appleton said I was done with that nightmare, though,
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  Speaker 2: after the third. I couldn't watch anymore.
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  Speaker 1: That was about when I checked out. Even though they
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  Speaker 1: didn't score in the third, but they had that ugly
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  Speaker 1: error where Bowers and Harrison almost killed each other. And
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  Speaker 1: then there was an out in between, and then it
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  Speaker 1: was a base hit by Carson Kelly or something. I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 1: this is over. This is not getting any better tonight.
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  Speaker 1: That was when my spidey sense told me. All right,
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  Speaker 1: so one of the things that you don't explore, and
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing it more and more, we've seen it a lot,
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  Speaker 1: Luis Lara, apparently, Andy in West Bend, Texas program, he
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  Speaker 1: cannot stand the embarrassment and the debacle, the folly of, like,
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Vaughn pitching two innings. Like, he's just, just forfeit
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  Speaker 1: the game. Just call it. Like, why? You got 13 pitchers.
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  Speaker 1: Why is this allowed? He thinks it's a complete travesty.
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  Speaker 1: I usually think it's kind of funny. It's excessive when
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  Speaker 1: it has to be two innings and paying customers have
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  Speaker 1: to watch that. It's a little bit like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: paying full price for preseason football. which on Friday night
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  Speaker 1: in Green Bay wasn't that bad.
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  Speaker 2: That might be the most entertaining game of the year.
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  Speaker 1: Dom Catronio said something as well last evening to the
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  Speaker 1: Twitterverse while people were looking for things to do on
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  Speaker 1: the second screen where the Brewers were unwatchable. I would
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  Speaker 1: love for MLB to institute a similar rule to the
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  Speaker 1: NBA's end-of-quarter shooting percentage rule. Position player pitching doesn't impact
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  Speaker 1: your season line, so you can go up there swinging
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  Speaker 1: with no worries. It would never happen, but position players
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: pitching used to be funny. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was talking like guys like trying to draw walks
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  Speaker 2: and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I just like guys that you're striking out on an
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: EFIS or apparently there's a twins rookie last night hit
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: his first big league homer against the Tigers position player again.
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  Speaker 1: Lara did it earlier. It doesn't count. Well, it counts,
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  Speaker 1: but it's should the outs count like should it? It's
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: a little bit asterisky. Sure. You know, because it's not
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  Speaker 1: the same. It's in game. It's like it's like preseason
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  Speaker 1: breaking out in the middle of the regular season kind
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  Speaker 1: of right. It does get excessive, and it is bad.
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  Speaker 2: I remember Heller and I got into this knockout dragout
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  Speaker 2: when he got into it with Otani, and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: this is the greatest game anyone's ever played. In the
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  Speaker 2: three home run, whatever, four stolen base game, where the
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  Speaker 2: last one came.
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  Speaker 1: Against him while he actually hit two home runs.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, he hit three and the third one hit
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  Speaker 2: one to the moon, but I do get like the
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  Speaker 2: 50 mile an hour pitches.
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  Speaker 1: Like some, we could have a chance to go. Somebody's
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  Speaker 1: going to hit a title list.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't, I'm not a, I'm not a changing stats
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  Speaker 2: in terms of who's throwing and what the kind of
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  Speaker 2: game is, but I do know that they tried it
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  Speaker 2: drew a significant amount of times, right? over the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of years to curtail how much you could throw
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: yeah position players and like.
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  Speaker 1: A rule changes a specific time it has to be
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  Speaker 1: a certain uh run differential.
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  Speaker 2: And deal hall gave up that homer and murph was
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  Speaker 2: like all right sweet go get him go go get
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  Speaker 2: him and let's throw bonnie in here because we are
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  Speaker 2: not doing anything that's going to hurt.
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  Speaker 3: Us but there's no sport where they would i mean
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: you don't do that in basketball if the starters plan
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: against the backups they don't take away their points That's
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  Speaker 3: just part of the game. I mean, if a guy
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  Speaker 3: scores against a third line winger or, or, or a backup.
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  Speaker 1: Goaltender, well, I'm just saying it's not the same, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to pretend there's equivalency in a position.
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  Speaker 1: Again, like Tom's point is if, if you catch a
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  Speaker 1: ball after a basket made basket, you catch a ball
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  Speaker 1: and you heave up a 70 footer, it counts as
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  Speaker 1: a shot attempt. Like at the buzzer at the end, like,
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  Speaker 1: so who do we let decide a little bit? And
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  Speaker 1: that's the point.
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  Speaker 2: They did just change that now where it's like, we
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  Speaker 2: want guys to be throwing the ball.
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  Speaker 1: So the official score with the prop bets and stuff,
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: we got to protect the integrity of the, of the percentages.
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  Speaker 2: Well, because they were also just seeing guys dribble it out.
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  Speaker 2: That was the biggest one is they were seeing guys
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  Speaker 2: because they didn't want to impact their shooting percentage.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't want to impact their shooting percentage. So It is.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's an abominable and it used to be more rare.
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  Speaker 1: And again, I go back to a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 1: It was that in council told told me that he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the numbers guys say we should do it more often
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  Speaker 1: because they think when you're down. like three runs in
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  Speaker 1: the seventh, that it's a lost cause and you shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be wasting your time. Cause the odds say that you're,
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to come back. And he's like, he
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  Speaker 1: did say that, like the analytics say, do it more
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  Speaker 1: and keep your, protect you, the integrity of your, your
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  Speaker 1: bullpen and your, your pitching staff.
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  Speaker 2: And now if we were going to do it in
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  Speaker 2: that spirit, I would say if it hits a certain
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: run differential, you should get a free option where you're
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: able to bring somebody up from triple a to and
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  Speaker 2: not have to go through the full, whatever it is,
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  Speaker 2: 10 days, you send somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Down, you go down.
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  Speaker 2: So then we know we can get you back up here,
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: but you are, we're going to wear a couple here,
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: but we're going to bring some certain guys up. Cause
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  Speaker 2: then you'd at least get pitchers throwing the game. If
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  Speaker 2: that's what you care about. The other side of it
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  Speaker 2: is it's evolved. Like it used to be guys would
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  Speaker 2: go out there and I know can say, go.
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  Speaker 1: Got hurt famously trying to pitch.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: He hurt his elbow or something like you've, you don't
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  Speaker 1: want to risk position players, but they used to try
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  Speaker 1: to throw like BP speed. Now it's just, it's becoming
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  Speaker 1: the marathon, which like it, it was always a debacle,
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  Speaker 1: but I remember my boy Cirillo out there and he
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: pitched in college. He was actually trying and he was trying.
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  Speaker 3: To sink it a little bit, trying to work it.
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  Speaker 1: And like, he's not just up there. Here you go.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a lollipop for you. Like, Like dad throw into
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  Speaker 1: the five-year-old.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, come on. What's harder to hit? Well, that's
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: the thing for big leaguers. It probably is. It is tougher. Well,
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: and that's why it's not like, or, you know, Activate
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  Speaker 1: Eddie Cedar or Marcus Handel and let them throw.
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  Speaker 2: I would love that. Put a screen up and let
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: them throw from 45 feet.
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  Speaker 1: And let's get it. Get our three outs and get
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  Speaker 1: off the field.
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  Speaker 3: The most realistic solution is probably to allow the extra spot,
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  Speaker 3: like you said, Billy, a special reserve. It's sort of
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  Speaker 3: like the emergency goalie from the stands in hockey, right?
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  Speaker 3: The emergency goalie would be the closest equivalent, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: And then you have your Easton McGee or whatever. That's
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  Speaker 3: a 4A pitcher that gets the spot every week. Now
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  Speaker 3: you'd have to pay an extra guy probably.
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  Speaker 2: Which I'm sure they'll never do. We're fighting a lot
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  Speaker 2: about how much money we're paying. The old school guys
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  Speaker 2: are like, come on.
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  Speaker 1: Like they used to do it with a 10 man
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  Speaker 1: pitching staff and have never used position players.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, roll and don't worry about it. A hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: The game's changed though.
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  Speaker 3: And the thing is, you are executing a strategy by
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: using one of those players. by saving another arm. And
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: that's just the reality.
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: Well, it is fascinating how much the numbers guys though
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: hammer at home. Like at some point we got to,
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: we got to punt on this.
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: It's true. And the Brewers, and you can feel it
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  Speaker 1: when it was six, nothing when I turned the game
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  Speaker 1: off and it was, and then it got even more gruesome.
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  Speaker 1: But you're punting on that game, and your mindset shifts
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  Speaker 1: from how do we come back to how do we
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: not screw up the rest of the week? How do
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: we not screw up the rest of the week? Especially
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: in game one, yeah. Yeah, especially if you're in a
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: stretch of 16, whatever days in a row you're playing,
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: or whatever it is, you don't want to. And so
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: it is something to think about. And maybe, I don't know, man,
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: but the Ephesus and the lobs, it's bad.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: Well, because Vaughn threw a cup first and now it's,
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: it's not funny.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: Vaughn threw a couple of weeks ago and I did
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: see him kind of buzzing. He was looking, he pitched
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: back in the day. You could tell he was a
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: little miffed when he wasn't able to locate.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then his first pitch last night was a
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: knuckleball that hit a guy. Yeah. He's like, all right,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: give me the heck about it. Well, he's trying to
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: throw knucklers and you're, you're, you're effacing. Well, and I,
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: I used to watch guys like play catch position players,
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: play catch. I remember like, yeah, Mark Loretta and Cirillo
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: and those guys, and they were always pitching to each other.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: They were trying to sink it and they were throwing
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: knucklers and they were always doing that. They always fantasize it.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: And then they would get in the game and they'd
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: actually try and they'd be throwing 80. Now guys are
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: throwing 35, 40 and it's lollipop and it's become slow pitch.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, let me ask you, I hate to
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: do it as a, for a Cubs guy, but I
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: did since they're playing the cows, but I do remember
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: Rizzo being one of the guys that had always said,
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: I want to pitch on a pitch. He went through
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: the first one. He said, get me off of this
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: mound as soon as possible.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: That's scary. That is funny though.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: When you stand 90 feet away from the hitter and
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden you move that much closer.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Those guys are, that's a different, different wake up call.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: I also laugh at the idea that those guys arms
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: shouldn't matter either. Like we do it to say pitchers arms,
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: but you also don't want Vaughn.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: That's why it's come to the guys throwing the Ephesus.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: because you don't want to risk. Again, Canseco blew out
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: his elbow, I think, throwing. Look it up. Jose Canseco
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: pitching injury. Yeah, he was goofy. He tried to throw
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: curves and stuff. He was trying to pitch. And that's
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: what they used to do. The position guy would go
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: there and try to throw 75 and try to sink it,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: maybe throw a breaking ball once in a while. They
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: all do it on the side when they're playing catch.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Made 29.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Undergoes Tommy John surgery after getting blown out in a game.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: When he was playing for the Rangers. Playing for the Rangers. Yep.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Against the Red Sox. Back in Canseco's career, he became
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: known for having a foul ball, a home run go
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: off his noggin into the bleachers. Three days before that.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: And then he got in a game and pitched and
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: blew out his elbow. Damn, that was two days before that?
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Three days before that was that when David Hulse was
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: making fun of him.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: But listen, if you don't like it, and if you think,
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say, maybe this sounds like an old
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: guy take, you didn't have to watch or stay in
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: the park.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: You didn't have to. Yeah, that's true. Everyone's like, oh,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: they had to be subjective. You don't.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: You're not required to do that.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: To Dom's point, it affects the stats and everything. That
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: part's true. So how do you handle that? How do
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: you handle that? But then we get into this.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Whole opinion where, well, he got that homer off Easton
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: McGee or Woodford, so it doesn't count.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Well, why not?
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: You know what counts off of Sandy Koufax?
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Like, it is what it is. You still hit a homer.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: You did. You did. I agree. But it is something
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: to consider. And it's becoming so rampant. And Dom's right.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: It's happening so much now that it's not as fun
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: as it used to be. Well, it was.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: It was an oddity. And I really do agree with
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: that one. It happens far more than he's worn off.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: It used to be.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I covered many of those where it's like, okay, 17-3. Oh,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: it's funny. It's like, okay, and it helps you turn
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: the page. There ain't no turning the page. It didn't
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: help anything last night having Andrew Vaughn throw two innings.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: It just got you through to the mandated 27 outs.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: But to your point, Billy, having a taxi squad or
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: having an allowance for that, you're almost rewarding teams for
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: being inept. Well, it's fair.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You're like, hey, we got the security blanket. We
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: might as well throw it. Then it might have become
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: more rampant.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Well, how about the optics, the imagery?
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Does it affect you that you lost by a worse
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: score than you really did? Because, like, does it look
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: more embarrassing? I don't think it matters because I think
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: I'm aware of what it was last night.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: It's only 17 to 3, not 10 to 3. 10
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: to 3 or 17 to 3.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Are you saving any ego and pride and hubris? Some
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: people might want to buy into that.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: But some people might say, well, it also serves to
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: embarrass you more.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: By doing that.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Because, like, well, history will look back on that score
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: and say, I liked it when the Brewers scored 22 runs.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a legit 22. Probably not in that sense.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter. Eight of them off the long run.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: It's just part of the game. It's evolved now. And so, yeah,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Vaughn gives up the last seven. So if they had
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: used a real pitcher, again, Bryce Wilson, what he's been
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: doing lately and sucking up innings, that was incredible. And
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: to your point, have a guy like that. And that's
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: where here's an old guy moment. There used to be
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: guys that threw knuckleballs and they could throw every day.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Steve Sparks, Tim Wakefield. If you had a knuckleballer on
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: your staff, it wasn't always pretty, but they were legit
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: pitchers and They could save you in those arms.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: And they would have, they'd have the ability to be
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: a little bit more jelly-armed. Nobody throws a knuckleball anymore, really.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: R.A.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Dickey won the Cy Young.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, who was the last, he was probably the last one,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: wasn't he? I would think, yeah, I would think. But
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: that was, yeah, that's a bygone era. Well, people don't
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: throw fork balls anymore, or the drop ball anymore. I
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: think we should bring the spitball back more.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: You think the Ephesus guys are watching too much of
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year?
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Might be. I think they are. I'm just thinking, float it.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Float it. Yep. How do you solve this? We don't know.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: He's my client. When we come back, Scott Dolphin's going
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: to be here. It's halftime of the Tuesday edition of
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the Huddle, Fox Sports Radio, Wisconsin. Drew Billion-Armond huddled up
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: on a Tuesday, bringing it to you, trying to cleanse
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the palate after a 17-3 Cubs victory over the Brewers
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: last night at Wrigley Field. We are joined by our
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: halftime correspondent, Scott Dolphin. We're halfway through today's program. Hello, Dolph. Hi, fellas.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: My wife is is a principal. They're getting ready for
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: the school year yesterday, so they were working hard. She
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: didn't get home until late. We had a late dinner.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: I checked my phone. I was going to go watch
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: the game, and it was already 6-0. I'm like, nope,
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: ain't going near that.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: That's right when I checked out. I watched it to
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: that point, and then I said, this isn't going to
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: end well. Just shut her down.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Before I went to bed, I clicked on, and Andrew
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Vaughn was on the mound. I went, nope, not watching
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: that either.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Don't need that one either. And that's what we've been
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: talking about, because my dear friend Andy in West Bend,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: he's been bitching about this for a while. He thinks
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: teams should just forfeit. It's an affront to baseball. You
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: carry 13 pitchers. Now you're going to add a pitcher
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: because it's September 1st. And he's like, this is a joke.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: And It used to be cute when a position player
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: would pitch. We've talked about it. It's added levity. It's
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: a sting out of an embarrassing loss. It was something
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: everybody would watch. It's happening now. You focus on your
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: team in the major leagues, but it's happening somewhere in
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the major leagues almost every night. And guys have gone
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: from trying to throw 75 and sink it, try to
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: get guys out, trying to break bats to lobbing Ephus.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: High arc. Yeah, and it's become, it's almost unwatchable.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: I saw the stat yesterday, or this morning when I
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: was reading up on this, in 2013, 14 position players
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: pitched in Major League games. Last year it was up
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: to 130-some, and it's only going to go up from here, right?
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Because that's how we manage our bullpens nowadays. We were saying, yeah,
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: that's what, and council told me that. four or five
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: years ago, like the analytics guys say we should do
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: it more often. Cause they think you're not coming back
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: down three runs in the eighth. So you might as
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: well just throw a position out there and save the leverage.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's, it's gotta be interesting for baseball guys,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: like a, like a Murph or a council who grew
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: up in it to have the guy, the number guys
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: do the crunching of like, Hey buddy, you are tied
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: here in the eighth inning, not winning. You're down one
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: run here in the eighth inning where a baseball guy's like, yeah,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: we've bloop and a blast and we're in the lead here.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: They're like, no, you got to go with your C
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: team bullpen. Let's punt to the next night because you're
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: most likely going to lose. Those probabilities have had to
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: have changed and had to have been tough for them
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: to crack into.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: It's the card counting. It's the analytics and the card counting.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Because a lot of those decisions are basically out of
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: their hands now, aren't they?
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: A lot of them are almost made.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Well, they get recommended probably. Yeah, made by the front
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: office in a spreadsheet.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: It's like they want to win too. So it's like, well,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: let's do the best strategy for winning.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: Was it Bregman that said last night you wouldn't be
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: surprised if in the new cba this something gets changed
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: because right now the rule is what you have to
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: be down more than.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Eight yeah down or more than eight yeah there is
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: they changed it to make it more restrictive but it
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: seems like teams are just using it more yeah it's
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: like and and it is you in baseball you tend
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: to focus on your own team but sure it's happening
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: you look around and Last night, a Twins guy hit
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: his first big league homer off a position guy. It's happening,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and Lara did that. Lara did that, too. It's happening
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: more and more.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: We did this with bunting and the shift, and I
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: know baseball culture. The reality is you have to legislate
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: it because teams will do whatever they can do to
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: what information they have that will help them get a
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: winning edge. And this is one of those things. So
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: unless you want teams to stop trying to win, it
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: is what it is. If you want to fight a
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: baseball culture war and you want your own team to
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: do it, that's fine. But if it's not going to
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: help your team win, you shouldn't want that either.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: It's not going to go away like the shift did,
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: but they have to find a way to make it
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: not be so ridiculous like it's been.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Although, I love Murph's comment last night.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: He said, you know, we're not trying to make the playoffs,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: I'm paraphrasing here, on run differential.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: You know, we don't care. It has nothing to do
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: with run differential. That's the thing. You have to accept
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: that now. So Andrew Vaughn gave up 17, or seven runs,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: so it's 17 instead of 10. Right. And it kind
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: of used to be a gentleman's agreement that when you're
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: up a lot, you weren't trying too hard as an offense.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: There's a point where you don't steal bases anymore. And
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: that's kind of gone out the window. I mean, the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Yankees and Red Sox the other day had an issue
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: I was just going to say the Yankees-Red Sox game.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Jazz Chisholm and the— what was it? Will— what was his name?
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: The broadcaster.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Will Fleming. Will Fleming, yeah. Just absolutely roasting Bush League players.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: He stole second and third. He said, let's just say
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: it like it is. He doesn't play the game the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: right way. All right, moving on. Yeah, they used to
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: do— it was kind of like the gentleman's agreement where you'd
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: go up there and not try too hard. If you
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: swung from your heels or you swung hard and you
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: almost fell down at a pitch and you're up at
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: 10 runs, you'd definitely be wearing it.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: That's our four one four texture said, not sure the
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: position player pitching is worse than what I saw at
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: a U 12 game this weekend where a coach was
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: trying to steal home up 10 runs and his kids
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: were throwing tantrums, stopping their stomping at first base when
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: they got a walk.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: That's a different problem.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: That's a whole different discussion, but it goes back to the,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: it goes back to the thing where it's like, well,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: If the other team waves the white flag, I will, too.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: But otherwise, I mean. The kid, the coach that lost
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: to Curacao, and he's just saying, you know, hey, body
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: language is important. Oh, yeah. Hold your heads up high. Nevada.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Don't get on each other. Keep enjoying it. Have some fun.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Don't enjoy it. Don't get on each other. Yeah, that
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: was a great one. But you could always say it
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: goes both ways.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: If you don't want a guy stealing 7-1, up 7-1,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: then why are you bringing your infield in? Why are
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: you strategizing to play better if you don't want the
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: other team to do it? Are you still holding runners on?
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's high school football season. They got the
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: running clock after 36 points anyway. But it's the thought of, like, hey,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: we got to keep playing at some point. We're not
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: going to tell the guys to stop trying.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Play the right way.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: That's the other part for baseball guys. I don't know
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: exactly where the angle was for Dom of, like, counting
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: the stats and things like that. Because if I'm Bregman,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I'm walking up with two bombs tonight. You better believe
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to hit that thing onto Waveland Avenue if
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: he's going to throw a 40 mile an hour.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, sure. Sure, absolutely.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he had a night. I was surprised that nine
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: was a record for the Cubs. Nine home runs in
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: a game.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: That's a record for just about anybody.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Well, just because of that many games you're playing in
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: general in the history.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: In the history of the franchise, yeah. I thought maybe
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: they had more. Especially if the wind's blowing out at Wrigley.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: If it's humid and hot and the wind's blowing out
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: at Wrigley, you can get them. It's hard to hit
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: nine homers, though, man. It is. But ironically, Pete Kramstrom
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: had a quiet night last night. He did. Yeah, we
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: were worried about how they were going to get him out.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: He ended up being the only guy they could get out. Yeah,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: we were saying, like, maybe they should just put up
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: a screen and let Ed Cedar or Marcus Hannell or
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: some batting practice pitcher throw BP because they'd probably fare
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: better than the guys that are throwing Ephus pitches, right?
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: It would be more watchable. Those guys would never say it, but...
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: I don't know that more watchable is the right word.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know that I'd be watching that.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: The slow-pitch softball thing is not, to me, it's just not.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: No, maybe a run rule is the thing they should
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: think about. I don't know if we ever would.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Dolph's a Yankees fan, and we're old enough to remember
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Dave LaRoche.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: The lob. Yeah, that's right.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, remember Mike Boddicker had the, what was it, the
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: fosh ball, they called it.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Fosh ball, yeah.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I guess if it's bothering that many fans and people,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: it doesn't bother me. There's a lot more things in sports,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: and trust me, a lot bothers me. They bother me
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: more than this one, so I don't know.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Cubs had 20 hits, and you know how baseball works.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Tonight they might get two or three. Yeah, right. It
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: could be a very, very quiet night. But they are
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: facing another lefty, and it's like, Brewers just need to,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: it'd be nice to have a better competitive game going
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: into Miz's outing on Wednesday night.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Well, and the biggest thing is you've got to figure
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: something out here with Kyle Harrison because this is the
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: velocity dip is a real thing now. And when you
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: traded for Dustin May, I think we immediately wondered that
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: he was going to take over Logan Henderson's spot potentially
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: in that playoff rotation. Well, Henderson's the two now, and
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: it might be a duke out between both of those
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: guys who neither have fared very well the last three weeks.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Kyle Harrison was almost a sure thing
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: for the first couple months of season.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: You're like, wow, what a steal this has been. I
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: bet Ashby's not stretched out. I'd rather see him out there.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: He probably will start a game. Let's call it what
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: it is. He's most likely starting a playoff. Ashby and
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Patrick twinning? Yeah.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Aaron Ashby is going to be pitching. If he's not
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: pitching in every single playoff game, he's probably starting one.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, McGill started last year. Yeah, that's true. We've
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: seen teams. And that's the flip side of it is
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the pitching side of it. We've seen teams do that
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: with openers.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: And you see bullpen games not only in playoff series,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: sometimes elimination games. We're doing a bullpen. A lot more
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: in playoff games. The council start that. He was a forefather.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: They pushed it.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: The Rays maybe were a tick above before them just
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: because they were in the playoffs.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Because today's September 1st, too, that opened up a thing
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: where they've limited. It used to be 40, man. You'd
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: go to 40. Oh, it was fun. Oh, God. The
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: games were like four hours. Oh, so many substitutions. It
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: was like spring training. Everyone came up. There's so many
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: uniform numbers. Doug Melvin used to rail against that because
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: he's such a visionary. He used to say, like, this
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: is kind of dumb that it's a different game when
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: you have that many pitchers.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: And.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I should do that in the first month of the season.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Go back to early council when he was using that
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: like a Stradivarius playing his bullpen and doing matchups before
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: they had to face three guys. Okay, so, but it
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: changed that. Doug Melvin's thing was if you're in the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: pennant race, you're playing your main guys and it's like
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: you're playing 25 against 40, right? Because you were at
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: a disadvantage because the teams that were looking at kids
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: could burn through arms. They had disposable arms, like unlimited
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: bullpen arms in a series. So to adjust the series,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: he's like, He said that we should have the expanded
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: rosters in April when everybody's still getting up to speed
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: and in September play it straight because that's when and
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: teams that weren't in it. there was like a gentleman's
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: agreement that you're supposed to play your, your top line guys,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: not look at kids. And if you're, if you're facing
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: a team that was in the, that was playing for something,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: but guys, they would.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, but I remember that off
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: the tigers in the last week in 18, I think
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: they threw three triple a guys against the brewers and
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: they would.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Blow that off. And so it's just a tough thing
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to manage, but it is changed. What is it now?
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: 27. Yeah. You get one hitter, one pitcher. So it
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: goes from 26 to 28. 28.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: So you got 28 going. And if you have a
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: double header or something like that. Then you'll still get
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: the extra 20. That's got it. Yeah. Or one of
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: those marquee games or whatever.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Which, yeah, I had no clue that was the Brewers. Well,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: they added like that.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: They got your rebate and then they're going to they
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: put Wilson on the aisle and then. they'll bring up
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: a pitcher and probably nail her today. I was going
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: to say, hopefully Romero's ready today. I knew he was
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: going to probably need one more.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't that be nice to get that guy who we
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: were excited about when they made the trade.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: And another lefty.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're stacked up in that bullpen with lefties
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: right now. Pretty good. Not going to necessarily help you
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: in this series for sure. But yeah, the way Hall's
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: pitching Ashby, like they're going to be very, very set
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: from that side.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: If we lose three out of four and the lead
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: goes to what six, are we nervous?
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Uh, I don't think I'm nervous yet at six. We
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: were doing the math. If the Brewers go 12 and
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: 12 in the next 24, regardless of what happens against
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: the Cubs, the Cubs have to go 19 and five. Okay.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: That's going to be tough to do. So that's tough
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: to do. So it's like the math is the math.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Cubs have some incentive here. They're tied with the Phillies
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: right now. Yes.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: And the Phillies will not lose 14 of 16 as
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: they beat Arizona last night. And I could tell Marte's
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: return that everybody was very excited for.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Their weirdest stories in sports. And then he had a
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: press conference pre and post.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: And it was like, and it made the Sean Watson's
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: almost look good.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: It was a rough spot. He got booed lustily by
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: the home crowd. And maybe if he had had a
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: couple of hits, they might've turned to cheers.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: If he had a, yeah, it definitely could have helped.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: And then he had a hat on in the post
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: game presser that said, let the bridges I burn light
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: the way.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That is a good quote. I like that. It's
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: a great quote. It's a bar.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Makes sense why they're selling hats with it on there. Yeah,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: I might put that in Downtown Girl. I'm not really sure,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: but as a lyric. Could be a good bar for you, yes.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: The reality is you've got to have a special level
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: of lack of self-awareness to do that, but that's what
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: you do if you just bail on your team without
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: telling anybody.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: For a week. They had a great shot. Some guys
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: live in a different world, man.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: They had a great shot of him sitting in the dugout,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and he's looking there just kind of confused and Right
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: there on the dugout wall is the Talking Stick Casino.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: advertisement right there as that was where he was right
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: where they were playing the game a week ago you
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: almost feel bad for that unsupport because like how can
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: you be confused on why they're doing this you bailed
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: on their team when they're in a pennant race well
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: not really but like a playoff race I guess.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: They are like what are you confused about but there's
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: shows that disconnect some players have with fans and that
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: whole thing and who knows I guess if you're around
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: yes man for I don't know he's a great player
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: I don't want to make any accusations about His makeup
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. But it's just weird that you
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: would say, I'm confused on why they would.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: He's the only one that's confused. I just don't. It's weird.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: That's very true. Weird deal. At least somebody's confused. He is.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: No one else is.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I don't like booing guys, but that's one spot I
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: can't really blame a fan at all.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: No. Because you didn't show up for us at all.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: You got Diamondback fans booing you. Yeah, that's bad. That's
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: a problem.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Talking they're out in the pool yeah not necessarily a
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: ravid time i think they still have the pool yeah
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: they got the pool for sure they do yes and
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: people actually use it like that's the one thing you
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: jacksonville will see again once they get back into their
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: new stadium right because they're going to completely redo everbank
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: stadium for uh for the.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Jags is the pool staying I think so. But no
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: one really ever goes in the pool up there.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Well, it's North Florida.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: It gets cold there in the wintertime. It gets cold
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: up there.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: You'll see some in there maybe into a playoff game.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: They did have a playoff game. They hosted one. But
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I feel like in Arizona, people are always hanging out there.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: And you can't tan necessarily, but have a good time.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: I think teams, when they do these things, it seems
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: like a great marketing idea at first, a great gimmick,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: a novelty to bring attention.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: But then they realize... Are we getting the ROI.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: In this space that we could use for seats and brains?
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Cause you got to make it a premium level. So yeah. Right. Inclusive.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: It's going to be out there.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of people like, it wasn't like a,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: a sand, like a beach thing at Jacksonville. Was that
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: like a different pool? I'm thinking it was elevated.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: It's elevated. It's like, I think the kids call it
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the infinity pool.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a sand deal.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's a college stadium that does sand like a
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: beach and one of their seating arrangements, too.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: It sounds like Big Sky College basketball that you're telling
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: me about.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: It's a football. It could be awesome.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: You just didn't see the Jacksonville pool unless they made
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: a point to go. But every fly ball at the,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: what did they used to call it, the Bob? Every
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: fly ball at the Bob, you saw somebody out there
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: in the pool.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: And then when they would clinch something, the team would
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: jump in the pool and stuff like that.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. That's their version of Bernie Slide.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: And then you saw the pool in Las Vegas because
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: everyone was just hitting it over.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Right, in that minor league.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: But even like they wanted to, I mean, they might still,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: they want to replace that stadium. And they built that
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: in 98. And they were already talking about putting a
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: new stadium in like... five years ago.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: That's what we do now i mean the rangers how
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: long did that.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Thing last 20 22 23 i remember going to that
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: the third year it opened i thought god what a
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: beautiful beautiful ballpark because they they borrowed from different parks
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: around the league they had the yankee stadium facade at
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: that old park in arlington and then 20 years later
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: now it's a little.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Cool kind of copied that at their spring training place
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: and surprised did they yeah oh kind of looks like
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: that kind of looks like that but yeah that was
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: a park ago Crazy.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Now they have a big park that looks like a
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Costco from the outside.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, it looks like the biggest lows Major League
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Baseball has ever seen.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Apparently very beautiful. And the Braves have done a new
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: stadium every 20 years, I think.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Today's another day. Dolph, what do you think? You feeling
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: good about the birds bouncing back and just turning the page?
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I don't feel great about it, but who knows? Maybe
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: the answer. Maybe feel great if they pitch a clean
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: first inning. That would be nice. Bobby Gasser gets out
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: of the first inning without any damage. I feel better.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: Who am I to doubt this team, the way they've
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: played this year? They just keep winning series.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Pat Murphy got asked last night, how confident are you?
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Do you have confidence that your boys are going to
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: respond tomorrow?
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Why would I not have confidence? Why would I not
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: have confidence? I don't know, Skip. You just gave up
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: 20 hits. That might not invoke a lot of confidence.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I'm with you, though, Drew. Let me see the first pitch.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Let me see how Gasser fires in in the first inning,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: and then I'll tell you how high the confidence level is.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Put up a clean inning there first.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Matthew Boyd, Brewers have bashed around like in game one
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: and then he has thrown a couple of gems so
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: i do i think they're gonna have a big night
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: here tonight jackson sure.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: Regardless with the next two days you got what ms
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: and henderson right yeah.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: You steal one of these before ms and henderson you
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: can easily split the series then you only got one
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: to win at american family.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Field to win the season series series and that that
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: gives you another game that's like shaving a game off.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: And that might just be the dagger if you split
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: four and keep the lead at eight i think the
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: cubs are toast Oh, yeah.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I think they're toast now. We're talking about what it is.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I was telling Billy, like, the dream scenario for me is, like,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: let the Cubs run the table and then the Brewers
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: win every other game and still comfortably win the division. Right. Yeah,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: you beat us in that little tournament, but, you know. And, yeah,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I don't even think the Cubs think they're going to
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: win the division. Intellectually, they don't. It's a crazy long shot.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: I think they're probably watching the Phillies, especially after this
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: is all over and this series is in the rearview mirror.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: They're going to be focused more on the Phillies.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Their score, we're watching Philadelphia. You know, with all the
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: wild cards now, I forget. So if you're the top
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: wild card, you host.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: The second wild card. The second wild card. Okay, thank you.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: That's going to be it. That'd be a hell of
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: a series, too.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: And that's a heck of a difference going to Citizens
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Bank or Wrigley.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Dolph, thanks for popping in. Appreciate it. As always, halftime
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: is over. Let's make our adjustments, eat an Uncrustable, and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: get back after it. Hunter joins us at 7. Bill
• 36:54
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• 37:01
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• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I know who's hot, Billy. All the kids going back
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: to MPS in schools where there's no air conditioning. Oh, yeah,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: that's going to be a hot one. Who would also
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: be hot?
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: How about the sweet little chalkboard signs that you have
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: to make sure the folks selling those on.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Social feeds full of first day of school stuff and
• 37:41
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• 37:44
  Speaker 1: joking off the air about school clothes and stuff like. Remember,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: you'd get long-sleeved flannels and stuff for the fall, and
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Mom would want you to wear your new stuff. It's hot, Mom. Mom,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I'm dripping.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Mom, 90 degrees out. The worst was as a private
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: school kid for the first couple of years, for the
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: first few years of my life, of the uniforms. Because
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: them things from the uniform store that you had to
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: use to have to buy them from because you couldn't
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: just get damn things at Kohl's or they made clothes
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: that were for normal human beings in the Husky department
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: at the uniform store. That stuff had to have been
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: the thickest material of ever.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: All time.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: There's no way that stuff wasn't ripple threaded or whatever.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: It could have told me it was wool.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Probably was to keep it durable for wearing every day.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: And guess what? I ripped that stuff every year. Every
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: single year, it was without question. One of the first
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: few days of school, your boy was going to come
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: back with those cool uniform pants.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: The khakis just shredded at the knee.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: And my mom just so mad because I just ripped
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: up the $ 60.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Pair of uniform pants.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: We were playing football. I played football at recess. He
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: didn't think I was going to die for the end zone.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Like there's only one way to play.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: We had one speed. He had to go.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: We have the, we have the big pictures today for
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the first day of school. So it's going to be
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: a big one. Going to be fun.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize drew that. They had to tell people
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: that you had to say goodbye to your kid. You
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: didn't know that? I didn't know that was a thing.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I thought everybody would know that you say goodbye. Those
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: parents might be in the not category. Who else would
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: be in the hot category and who's hot, who's not?
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: We've been mentioning the Philadelphia Phillies. They've won 14 of
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: their last 16 games.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Red hot. Who's not hot? Would be the Colorado Rockets.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Looked like they were going to break the schneid. They
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: have caught four straight L's. They lost all four to
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: the Braves. And they're taking on the Baltimore Orioles last night.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: The late stages of a 2-1 game. Drifting back.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Off a high drive to deep center field off the
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: bat of Jake McCarthy. Looks like they're going to win
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: the ball game with one on after a Johnston double,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: but Colton Couser didn't just hit the eventual game-winning base hit, Drew.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: He robbed a walk-off home run, and the poor Rockies
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: thought they were getting that elusive 53rd win of the
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: year and said, They got walked off on a walk-off
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: home run robbery.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: They thought they were about.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: To be celebrating finally at home, and instead they caught
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: a fat L, and Rockies fans are okay. They hold
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Ls out there quite a bit, but they stay. They
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: will stay in the not category pretty much all the time.
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• 40:32
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