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Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein Was The Tip Of The Human Trafficking Iceberg (10/31/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: About how Jeffrey Epstein's arrest back in July was just
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Speaker 1: a look inside of the window at the bigger problem
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Speaker 1: that is human trafficking this is an issue that is
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Speaker 1: affecting every corner of the globe no matter your continent
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Speaker 1: no matter your country this is an issue and I
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Speaker 1: don't think that in the year 2020 pressing into 2021,
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Speaker 1: that there should be any form of slavery anywhere in
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Speaker 1: the world, folks. I think that we should all be
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Speaker 1: free to make our own decisions and live our own
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Speaker 1: lives and chase our own dreams. But unfortunately, for millions
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Speaker 1: of people and children around the world, that's not the case.
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Speaker 1: They aren't chasing their dreams the way me or you are.
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Speaker 1: They aren't waking up every day with things to look
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Speaker 1: forward to. Instead, they're caught up in a never-ending cycle
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Speaker 1: of abuse until their captors decide that they are no
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Speaker 1: longer worth the trouble. And that's just the sad facts
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Speaker 1: of the situation. And that's why when I talk about
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Speaker 1: the unnamed girls in the Jeffrey Epstein case and wonder
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Speaker 1: what happened to them, what we're going to hear in
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Speaker 1: this article is one of the reasons why. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's nothing for a trafficking ring to kill one of
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Speaker 1: these girls that are being trafficked by them if they
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Speaker 1: don't comply with orders. And again, please remember, I'm not
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Speaker 1: saying that's what happened in this Epstein case. I don't know, right?
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Speaker 1: None of us know for sure. That's what we're doing here.
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Speaker 1: That's why we're here every day trying to put the
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Speaker 1: pieces together. But me, I don't feel comfortable leaving stones unturned.
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Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable not chasing leads. And when we
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Speaker 1: already know that trafficking rings around the world have used
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Speaker 1: the behavior of, let's say, getting rid of girls that
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Speaker 1: they find are noncompliant or not useful anymore, well, wouldn't
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Speaker 1: that be a question that we would have to ask
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Speaker 1: about a trafficking ring that has been involved in at
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Speaker 1: least literally thousands of girls trafficked according to reports? from
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Speaker 1: numerous continents, how hard would it be to track down
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Speaker 1: a girl from Belarus or Estonia or Lithuania? Do you
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Speaker 1: really think that they have a bunch of systems in
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Speaker 1: place like in Western countries, databases where these girls are
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Speaker 1: put through and they have an FBI agency that's looking
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Speaker 1: for them or whatever? That's not happening. These countries are
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Speaker 1: lucky that they can eat food at night for the
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Speaker 1: most part. So when I talk about the unnamed girls,
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Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about, right? What about the girls
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Speaker 1: that had no family or nobody that's come forward? When
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Speaker 1: we hear that it's been literally thousands of girls and
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Speaker 1: we have only heard from a hundred or so, then
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Speaker 1: you have to wonder, at least I have to wonder,
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Speaker 1: what in the hell happened to the rest of those girls?
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Speaker 1: And when you start looking into sex trafficking rings and
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Speaker 1: you see what happens to these girls on a larger scale,
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Speaker 1: larger than you would want to see number, well, you,
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Speaker 1: you have to ask those questions. And that has definitely
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Speaker 1: been a path I've been on for a very long
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Speaker 1: time with the Jeffrey Epstein case, and especially in New Mexico,
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Speaker 1: after going there myself and seeing how vast it was
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Speaker 1: and seeing how desolate it was. And the old adage
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Speaker 1: came up in my mind as I was driving there, uh,
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Speaker 1: And I couldn't help but keep thinking this, something that
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Speaker 1: I would think about all the time when I'd be
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Speaker 1: driving from.
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Speaker 2: Vegas to California.
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Speaker 1: There's a portion when you're driving from Vegas to California
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Speaker 1: on the I-15 that some people call the largest graveyard
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Speaker 1: in the world because of all of the bodies that
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Speaker 1: are buried out there. Nobody's ever going to find them.
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Speaker 1: And it's very comparable on the ride from Santa Fe
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Speaker 1: to the ride to Stanley, where Zorro Ranch is. It's
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Speaker 1: a very similar landscape. So, you know, that was one
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Speaker 1: thing that crossed my mind for sure when I was
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Speaker 1: driving down to Zorro Ranch. And again, there's no evidence
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Speaker 1: that that occurred, right? There's nobody that's come forward and
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Speaker 1: said any of these girls were killed or anything like that.
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Speaker 1: But when you look at the overall story of sex trafficking...
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Speaker 1: and you understand that that is something that occurs very
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Speaker 1: frequently in these other trafficking rings, I would have to
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Speaker 1: think that it is something that is very possible that
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Speaker 1: it could have occurred at some point or in some capacity.
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Speaker 1: Because there are just way too many unanswered questions as
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Speaker 1: far as these unnamed girls go. So that leads us
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Speaker 1: into our article today. Our article is from theconversation.com. And
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Speaker 1: this article was authored by Larissa Christensen, Nadine McKillop, Suzanne
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Speaker 1: Raymond McHugh. And it was authored on July 12th of 2019. Headline,
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's arrest is the tip of the iceberg. Human
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Speaker 1: trafficking is the world's fastest growing crime. And when you
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Speaker 1: read a headline like that, you say to yourself, holy shit,
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Speaker 1: how is that even possible? The fastest world, the fastest
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Speaker 1: growing crime in the world? With all the different licks
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Speaker 1: people have out there, all the different ways people have
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Speaker 1: to make dough, this is the fastest growing crime in
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Speaker 1: the world? And if that doesn't depress you, if that
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Speaker 1: doesn't make you sick, I don't know what will, folks.
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Speaker 1: Because from where I'm sitting... The trade, being part of
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Speaker 1: the trade of human flesh is so much worse than
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Speaker 1: being involved in drugs that I can't even begin to
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Speaker 1: explain to you how much worse I think it is.
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Speaker 1: And yet here we are with these drug dealers and
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Speaker 1: these cartel members and organized crime members. And look, don't
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Speaker 1: get it twisted. I'm not sticking up for them. They're
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Speaker 1: reprehensible people, right? No doubt about it. But why should
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Speaker 1: they be getting hit with RICO charges and a guy
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Speaker 1: like Epstein not getting hit with them? Because at the
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Speaker 1: end of the day, we know that Jeffrey Epstein was
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Speaker 1: not doing this alone. And we know that Ghislaine Maxwell
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Speaker 1: was not doing this alone. Jeffrey Epstein, a powerfully connected
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Speaker 1: American financier, pedophile... is facing charges of sex trafficking, bringing
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Speaker 1: underage girls as young as 14 years old into homes
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Speaker 1: in various locations across the U.S. And we even have
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Speaker 1: reports from 11 to 12 years old down in the
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Speaker 1: Virgin Islands, right? So this is a man whose disgusting
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Speaker 1: proclivities range from about 11 or 12 up to about 16, 17-ish.
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Speaker 2: And then he.
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Speaker 1: Started to lose interest, right? He reportedly had a network
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Speaker 1: of more than 50 victims and evidence against him included
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Speaker 1: hundreds of lewd photographs of girls and young women. Well,
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Speaker 1: times that 50 by about 20 and that's probably a
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Speaker 1: closer number, right? Accusations against high-profile people such as Epstein
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Speaker 1: temporarily raise awareness of this significant human rights violation. But
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Speaker 1: regardless of the outcome of this case, the ugly truth
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Speaker 1: is This is just the tip of the iceberg. And
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Speaker 1: it really is.
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Speaker 2: But I will say this. It's a catalyst for me.
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Speaker 1: I would have never, ever, ever, ever. Let me tell you, folks,
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Speaker 1: and be very honest with you. I wouldn't even looked
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Speaker 1: at these kind of articles prior to jumping into this case.
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Speaker 1: It was not in my wheelhouse. It was not something
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Speaker 1: I was really interested in. Maybe subconsciously, I found it
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Speaker 1: so abhorrent that I wanted nothing to do with it.
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Speaker 1: But that's not an excuse that cuts it anymore, right?
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Speaker 1: So what, we're all going to stand on the sidelines
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Speaker 1: if we're uncomfortable with something?
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Speaker 2: Let me tell you what.
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Speaker 1: The greatest day in my life is when I learned
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Speaker 1: how to be comfortable being uncomfortable. And when that happens,
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Speaker 1: you really start to learn that you most certainly do
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Speaker 1: not have all of the answers. And your worldview from
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Speaker 1: inside of your echo chamber is misguided. And that was
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Speaker 1: one thing that the Epstein case did for me when
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Speaker 1: it came to human trafficking. It really opened up my
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Speaker 1: eyes and forced me to take note of the issue.
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Speaker 1: And once you take note of it and once you
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Speaker 1: start understanding what's going on, if it doesn't disgust you
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Speaker 1: and it doesn't make you want to take action in
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Speaker 1: one way or the other, be it sharing posts or
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Speaker 1: talking to your friends about it or writing your lawmakers
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Speaker 1: or making sure, more importantly– you're voting in quality people
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Speaker 1: on a local level, then I don't know what will, folks.
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Speaker 1: Child sex trafficking is a critical issue affecting more than
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Speaker 1: 1 million children worldwide, many of whom are left to
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Speaker 1: suffer in silence. And for those clowns running around talking about, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: these people talking about Save Our Children, this is a
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Speaker 1: right-wing conspiracy.
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Speaker 2: Those people.
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Speaker 1: should probably shut their yaps because they have no idea
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Speaker 1: what they're talking about. This is a worldwide problem. More
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Speaker 1: than 1 million children suffering, left alone with nobody to
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Speaker 1: speak out on their behalf. And you mean to tell
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Speaker 1: me you think this is a topic that should be
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Speaker 1: politicized probably should chiggity check yourself if that is what
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Speaker 1: you think about when you see that hashtag some consider
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Speaker 1: human trafficking as the world's fastest growing crime worldwide about
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Speaker 1: 20% of trafficking victims are children and With up to
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Speaker 1: 100% in some regions. So that's 20%. So 2 out
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Speaker 1: of every 10 trafficking victims is a child. And the
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Speaker 1: other 8 are someone's daughter.
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Speaker 2: Someone's mother.
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Speaker 1: Someone's sister. Someone's loved one. They most certainly don't deserve
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Speaker 1: to be caught up in some effing human trafficking ring.
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Speaker 1: Where they're treated as a commodity or as a piece
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Speaker 1: of cattle. Sex trafficking is the most common form of
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Speaker 1: human trafficking. Globally, an estimated 4.8 million people are forced
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Speaker 1: into sexual exploitation.
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Speaker 2: Think about that.
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Speaker 1: 4.8 million people right now as we speak, as we're
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Speaker 1: sipping on our Starbucks, as we're eating our dinners and
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Speaker 1: watching the baseball game and preparing for the two knuckleheads
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Speaker 1: to get up there and WWE wrestle debate for us. 4.8
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Speaker 1: million people are forced to into sexual exploitation. So imagine
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Speaker 1: what's going on in their lives right now. Pretty pathetic
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Speaker 1: and sick to think about it, huh? Especially when we're
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Speaker 1: the most powerful nation in the world, supposedly, and we
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Speaker 1: let this occur right here in our own country. And
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Speaker 1: this industry produces $ 99 billion in.
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Speaker 2: Profits a year for traffickers.
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Speaker 1: How is that even possible? Well, it's not possible if
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Speaker 1: people don't participate. And how many people do you see,
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Speaker 1: these sick sons of bitches from America or England or Australia,
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Speaker 1: going to these third world countries to try and meet
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Speaker 1: up with little kids? I can't tell you how many
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Speaker 1: documentaries I've watched about it, how many sick bastards are
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Speaker 1: showing up in these countries. Like these children don't matter
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Speaker 1: because what, they're from a different country? Because they look
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Speaker 1: different than you? And then these same sons of bitches
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Speaker 1: will put their wedding ring back on and go up
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Speaker 1: to their hotel room and FaceTime their wife and their kids.
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Speaker 1: I don't have the answers, folks. I honestly, I don't
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Speaker 1: know what to tell you. I don't know how to
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Speaker 1: stop it or what we can do besides keep raising
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Speaker 1: your voice about it. Keep talking about it. Make sure
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Speaker 1: that this is an issue that our politicians understand we
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Speaker 1: will not accept anymore. This isn't your basic theft. This
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Speaker 1: isn't your basic greed or steering a contract in the
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Speaker 1: direction of their brother-in-law. Our politicians are literally Literally standing
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Speaker 1: by while people are put into modern day slavery. Who
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Speaker 1: is targeted? Most child trafficking victims are girls and often
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Speaker 1: between the ages of 12 to 16. Although, when children
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Speaker 1: under 12 are the victims, boys have been found to
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Speaker 1: outnumber girls in some samples. You know, it's just so heavy, right?
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Speaker 1: This kind of shit is so heavy and so gross
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Speaker 1: to think about. I don't even have children, but I
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Speaker 1: have little cousins. I have friends who have kids. And
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Speaker 1: let me tell you what. Something ever happen to one
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Speaker 1: of those kids? Someone ever kidnap them? I would make
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Speaker 1: Liam Neeson look like a nice guy.
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Speaker 2: Okay?
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Speaker 1: I don't have very much money. But what I do
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Speaker 1: have are a certain set of skills. And I am
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Speaker 1: not kidding. I would not rest. Until I found my
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Speaker 1: loved one. Or found the person who kidnapped them. And
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Speaker 1: I am not kidding you when I say that. It
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Speaker 1: is so abhorrent to think about. I wouldn't be able
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Speaker 1: to sleep at night if it was my child. How
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Speaker 1: could you possibly go to sleep every night. Knowing your
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Speaker 1: child has been kidnapped. And more than likely. If they
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Speaker 1: aren't killed already. Are forced into this kind of life.
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Speaker 1: And yet we have our petty squabbles on a daily basis.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, folks. I think we're missing the big
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Speaker 1: picture here. I really think we're missing the big picture here.
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Speaker 1: And we're letting these devious sons of bitches that write
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Speaker 1: the laws that let this occur divide us way too much.
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Speaker 1: While trafficking often implies transporting across borders, trafficking can very
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Speaker 1: often be a domestic matter with little to no transportation.
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Speaker 2: For example.
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Speaker 1: One study found more than 80% of sex trafficking incidents
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Speaker 1: in the United States involved U.S.
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Speaker 2: Citizens. Imagine that, huh?
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Speaker 1: You think our overlords care about the poorest amongst us?
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Speaker 1: They've proven that time and time again that they don't, huh?
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Speaker 1: So why would you think that it would be people
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Speaker 1: from outside of the United States? We don't mean anything
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Speaker 1: to them. The only time you matter to them is
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Speaker 1: once every four years or once every two years when
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Speaker 1: they want your vote. Then it's all party over. Let's
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Speaker 1: go back and make sure that the people that really
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Speaker 1: funded us to get here, let's make sure that they
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Speaker 1: are happy. And we'll just shit on our constituents. And
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Speaker 1: the cycle repeats over and over and over again because
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Speaker 1: we allow it to.
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Speaker 2: A child can.
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Speaker 1: Become a victim of commercial sexual exploitation when they're vulnerable.
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Speaker 1: And some of the risk factors include substance abuse. Sound familiar? Poverty.
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Speaker 1: Sound familiar? Exposure to family violence or criminality. Check.
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Speaker 2: Running away or told to leave home.
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Speaker 1: Abuse and neglect. Including sexual victimization. Involvement in delinquency. Poor
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Speaker 1: mental health. And involvement in child protective services. Pretty much...
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Speaker 1: Every single one of the girls... That has come forward
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Speaker 1: in the Epstein case... Fits that criteria. And the fact
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Speaker 1: that kids in child protective services... are so at risk
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Speaker 1: of getting caught up in shit like this, really should
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Speaker 1: make you start asking some questions. Is there no accountability?
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Speaker 1: Is that where we're at now? Where there's no accountability
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Speaker 1: for anything? Jeffrey Epstein dies? Bah! The two lowly guards,
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Speaker 1: they're at fault. Same shit goes on here. Child Protective Services,
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Speaker 1: these kids go missing. Do these caseworkers, do they get sanctioned?
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Speaker 1: Do they lose their jobs? Do they face criminal penalties?
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Speaker 1: Maybe they should. While there are some common risk factors,
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Speaker 1: it's important to note that there is no definitive set
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Speaker 1: of risk factors or single risk factor that can determine
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Speaker 1: whether a child will become a victim.
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Speaker 2: That is for sure.
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Speaker 1: All right. One of these sick, disgusting bastards is out
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Speaker 1: and they have an opportunity to snatch a kid. You
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Speaker 1: better believe they're going to do that. And this isn't
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Speaker 1: something that just happens every once in a while. This
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Speaker 1: is a prevalent situation, folks. There are very, very, very scary,
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Speaker 1: sick people living amongst us. How are victims recruited? Traffickers
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Speaker 1: may recruit victims through guerrilla pimping. This involves aggression, threats,
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Speaker 1: and violence to engage and enslave the victim. I bet you,
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Speaker 1: you see more of this in like a gang setting, right?
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Speaker 1: You have a gang of criminals and they use coercion
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Speaker 1: and threats and violence to to force a woman into
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Speaker 1: sexual servitude. Whereas Jeffrey Epstein and his friends, they had money.
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Speaker 1: They could do it with promises and gifts. When you
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Speaker 1: see it on the street level here, you see, I
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Speaker 1: guess they call it guerrilla pimping. That's a new term
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Speaker 1: to me, but it definitely makes sense. In other instances,
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Speaker 1: recruitment through what appears to be kindness and compassion is
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Speaker 1: shrouded in manipulation from food, money, shelter, or drugs. That
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Speaker 1: is where our case falls into, right? The category that
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Speaker 1: our case falls into. This is referred to as finesse pimping,
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Speaker 1: and that makes sense as well. That's really what it is.
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Speaker 1: They're finessing them, right? And it's funny that they use
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Speaker 1: that word because that's the word I like to use
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Speaker 1: all the time about Jeffrey Epstein in New Mexico, how
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Speaker 1: he was finessing the politicians and the lawmakers. So finesse pimping,
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Speaker 1: according to this article, is the mode that Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: and Ghislaine Maxwell used. These exploited children, often victim to
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Speaker 1: abuse and neglect in childhood, are promised shelter, love, and protection.
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Speaker 1: And some children might fall victim to survival sex, with
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Speaker 1: no other option to attain food, money, shelter, or drugs.
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Speaker 1: And you see this shit a lot, right? I can't
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Speaker 1: even imagine how these kids on the streets, especially now
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Speaker 1: with the homeless people all over the place, are being
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Speaker 1: able to live and how they're handling themselves. There has
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Speaker 1: to be a huge, huge rate of child abuse and
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Speaker 1: sexual abuse for homeless teens. It's something that is probably
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Speaker 1: an avenue to traverse down at some point, right? Because
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Speaker 1: I can only imagine what it's like. It doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: where you drive in Las Vegas. The richest parts of
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Speaker 1: town to the poorest. There are homeless people all over
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Speaker 1: the place. A lot of them are women. And I've
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Speaker 1: seen a lot of kids too, or what appear to
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Speaker 1: be young kids, teens. So I can only imagine what
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Speaker 1: the hell is going on out there. Traffickers. quite frequently
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Speaker 1: use recruiters to identify vulnerable youth while these recruiters might
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Speaker 1: be other adults victims themselves can eventually become involved in
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Speaker 1: the recruitment friends may recruit peers into the commercial sex
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Speaker 1: trafficking population through their social networks and we saw a
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Speaker 1: lot of that right We saw it with Haley Robson.
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Speaker 1: We saw it with some of the other girls. It
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Speaker 1: was normalized to them. They were brought in as kids, 15, 16.
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Speaker 1: And then they were set free to go bring in
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Speaker 1: other friends. In fact, some research has found almost half
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Speaker 1: were recruited by friends into the commercial exploitation industry as
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Speaker 1: opposed to adults preying on susceptible youth. Recruitment to the
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Speaker 1: industry by friends is particularly dangerous as youth are less
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Speaker 1: suspecting of their peers compared with adults. And that's why
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Speaker 1: it was so devious the way Epstein and Maxwell had
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Speaker 1: their shit set up, right? Other kids recruiting kids. And
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Speaker 1: it gave them a bit of a buffer. They had
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Speaker 1: a bit of a buffer and they had some distance
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Speaker 1: between themselves and the actual crimes. And they thought it
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Speaker 1: was just going to work like that forever.
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Speaker 2: Well, They thought wrong.
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Speaker 1: In some instances, youth involved in sex trafficking will even
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Speaker 1: be given financial incentives to introduce their friends to the
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Speaker 1: exploitation population. Epstein allegedly used this tactic, paying his victims
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Speaker 1: to recruit other girls, 100%. As a consequence, victims can
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Speaker 1: suffer a long-term physical, psychological, and even neurological trauma which
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Speaker 1: can continue for their whole lives. I really hope that
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Speaker 1: the people dispersing the compensation fund have read this article.
21:39
Speaker 1: I hope they understand that this isn't something you just
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Speaker 1: get over like some people think it is. These girls
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Speaker 1: are suffering lifelong trauma because of this. I can't even imagine...
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Speaker 1: What sort of moron would sit around and act like, oh, well.
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Speaker 2: They wanted it. They don't deserve anybody. What sort of.
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Speaker 1: Inept, barbaric ogre has that sort of thought process? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty alpha when it comes to males, right? I'm
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Speaker 1: certainly not, you know, sitting around sipping lattes with my
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Speaker 1: goofy hat on or anything like that. But I mean,
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Speaker 1: come on already. There's a point where you become a barbarian.
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Speaker 1: And barbaric behavior is just unacceptable. And the impacts of
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Speaker 1: the trauma can also affect others, including families and wider society.
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Speaker 1: Why can't victims just leave? And I've heard this one too.
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Speaker 2: Why didn't you just leave? Just get up and leave
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Speaker 2: like it's that easy. Once recruited, it's difficult to leave.
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Speaker 1: Experts have drawn parallels between the theoretic constructs of human
22:47
Speaker 1: trafficking to that of intimate partner violence in terms of
22:52
Speaker 1: power and control. Same thing.
22:55
Speaker 2: That's exactly what it's like, right?
22:57
Speaker 1: Even though you know shit's effed up, even though you
23:00
Speaker 1: know things are not good, a lot of these girls
23:03
Speaker 1: have nowhere else to go. So what are they supposed
23:06
Speaker 1: to do? In particular, the victim may be isolated as
23:11
Speaker 1: well as controlled emotionally and physically. the victim can easily
23:15
Speaker 1: become entangled through such controlling techniques or even through traumatic bonding.
23:20
Speaker 1: This is where the victim has appreciation towards the trafficker
23:24
Speaker 1: for being able to live coupled with entrenched fear. And
23:27
Speaker 1: that's what happened to all these girls, right? All of
23:29
Speaker 1: these girls had traumatic bonding with Jeffrey Epstein. He abused them,
23:33
Speaker 1: but he made it like it was normal. And he
23:36
Speaker 1: gave them money. And, oh, look, I really care about you. Meanwhile,
23:39
Speaker 1: he's abusing these young little girls, and none of it's okay.
23:47
Speaker 1: In some instances, a victim recruited through finesse pimping might
23:51
Speaker 1: feel indebted and obliged to stay with the trafficker. And yeah,
23:56
Speaker 1: that's exactly the story we have seen play out in
23:58
Speaker 1: this Jeffrey Epstein case. Other tactics to maintain control can
24:04
Speaker 1: include food deprivation or forced drugs. And older victims have
24:08
Speaker 1: reportedly been threatened that if they don't cooperate or if
24:11
Speaker 1: they don't earn a certain sum of money that day,
24:13
Speaker 1: the victim's child will be sold. These are the sort
24:16
Speaker 1: of scumbag morons that we're dealing with, folks. These people
24:21
Speaker 1: need to be purged off of the face of earth.
24:25
Speaker 1: Quick trials, harsh penalties. The ability to maintain total control
24:31
Speaker 1: over the victim may also be compounded by their vulnerability
24:35
Speaker 1: to manipulation, for example, by virtue of age, and potentially
24:39
Speaker 1: complicated by substance use problems, learning disabilities, and poor mental health.
24:45
Speaker 1: And again, that's what they look for, right? The most
24:48
Speaker 1: vulnerable amongst us.
24:51
Speaker 2: Are the targets.
24:53
Speaker 1: And I don't know about you folks out there, but me,
24:56
Speaker 1: I hate bullies.
24:57
Speaker 2: I despise bullies.
25:00
Speaker 1: And in fact, I have a penchant for giving bullies
25:04
Speaker 1: that three-piece. And that's what these people are at their core.
25:10
Speaker 2: They are bullies.
25:11
Speaker 1: They look for people weaker than them, And then they
25:15
Speaker 1: take advantage of those people using their power and their
25:20
Speaker 1: prestige and their so-called connections to polite society as a
25:26
Speaker 1: shield for their disgusting behavior. With sex traffickers being strategic
25:31
Speaker 1: in even their recruitment and ability to entangle the victim
25:36
Speaker 1: physically and psychologically, it's not difficult to see how victims
25:41
Speaker 1: become entrapped. It's not, right? And, you know, again, I
25:47
Speaker 1: had no idea how deep these problems were.
25:50
Speaker 2: I had no idea.
25:51
Speaker 1: A million or more children and 4.8 million people and
25:56
Speaker 1: all of these crazy big-ass numbers that are just mind-blowing.
26:03
Speaker 1: And how we as a society have let it get
26:06
Speaker 1: to this point, I will never understand it. But what
26:11
Speaker 1: I can say is moving forward, I know me personally,
26:16
Speaker 1: I plan on holding my local politicians responsible for all
26:21
Speaker 1: of this. If I send you to Washington, D.C., I
26:24
Speaker 1: expect you to look out for the most vulnerable amongst
26:28
Speaker 1: us in my state and in the country as a whole.
26:33
Speaker 1: And to tell you the truth, the world as a whole.
26:38
Speaker 1: And I think that if we all do that, if
26:39
Speaker 1: we all hold our congressmen and women and our senators
26:42
Speaker 1: accountable at a state level, then there won't be any
26:47
Speaker 1: more of this loophole writing and garbage nonsense. Because I
26:53
Speaker 1: don't have any other answers, folks, right? That's the only
26:56
Speaker 1: thing I can think of. And I plan on doing
26:59
Speaker 1: that here in Las Vegas. I plan on voting for
27:01
Speaker 1: people who actually get it. I plan on voting for
27:04
Speaker 1: people who are not scared of to dip their toes
27:07
Speaker 1: into controversial topics. But really what I'm looking for are
27:12
Speaker 1: people who are willing to put words away and instead
27:19
Speaker 1: kick shit into action. If you'd like to contact me,
27:23
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27:30
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27:35
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27:41
Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box. Years,
27:45
Speaker 1: I have been saying that calling Ghislaine Maxwell a socialite
27:49
Speaker 1: in the legacy media is ridiculous. Especially when you don't
27:54
Speaker 1: go into context about what she is being accused of.
27:59
Speaker 1: And the legacy media just continued and continued to call
28:03
Speaker 1: her a socialite. Never brought up the fact that she
28:06
Speaker 1: was also accused of being involved in the actual abuse, right? Instead,
28:12
Speaker 1: we always got Jeffrey Epstein's madam.
28:15
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein's pimp.
28:17
Speaker 1: Socialite. With that connotation, you are basically saying that these
28:22
Speaker 1: survivors were prostitutes. And I've been bringing it up for
28:27
Speaker 1: quite some time because isn't it the media that tells
28:30
Speaker 1: us words matter? And then they have the audacity to
28:35
Speaker 1: hop onto their computers or whatever it is they're pumping
28:39
Speaker 1: their content out from and start yapping away about how
28:44
Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell is a socialite. No, she's not a socialite.
28:48
Speaker 1: She's a child abuser, a sex trafficker, a general all-around scuzzbag. and,
28:55
Speaker 1: quite possibly, a bipedal serpent. So, now that she has
29:00
Speaker 1: been convicted, one of the first things I tweeted out
29:05
Speaker 1: was that it's time for the legacy media to start
29:08
Speaker 1: calling her what she is, and that is not a socialite. Well,
29:13
Speaker 1: there's an article out today from The Guardian, and the
29:17
Speaker 1: author of that article, Joan Smith, is picking up the
29:20
Speaker 1: rallying cry, and she's saying the same exact thing. Let's
29:24
Speaker 1: call Maxwell what she is, a sex trafficker. And I'm
29:29
Speaker 1: very thankful that somebody like Joan Smith is, you know,
29:33
Speaker 1: smelling the coffee, if you will. It's a long time
29:37
Speaker 1: coming for the legacy media to call these people what
29:40
Speaker 1: they are. And when you talk about Les Wexner, he
29:44
Speaker 1: should also be talked about in the same kind of light.
29:48
Speaker 1: Les Wexner, Victoria's Secret founder. No, Les Wexner, accused friend
29:53
Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein, enabler of Jeffrey Epstein, and accused of
29:56
Speaker 1: taking part in his sex trafficking ring. How hard is
30:00
Speaker 1: that to put that down in the newspaper? What, are
30:02
Speaker 1: you all scared? I mean, it's illogical, almost, that the
30:08
Speaker 1: legacy media was so gung-ho on calling this lady a
30:13
Speaker 1: socialite for so long, even though there were mountains of evidence.
30:17
Speaker 2: Now, don't get me wrong.
30:19
Speaker 1: There were some people in the print media who... called
30:23
Speaker 1: out Ghislaine's nonsense for the whole entire run there were
30:26
Speaker 1: some people in the print media who weren't buying any
30:29
Speaker 1: of her bullshit and one of those outlets that has
30:35
Speaker 1: done a very good job throughout this whole entire thing
30:38
Speaker 1: even though I might not agree with a lot of
30:40
Speaker 1: their positions on other topics is the Daily Beast they
30:44
Speaker 1: did a fantastic job covering this as far as the
30:49
Speaker 1: print media goes And they have done a phenomenal job
30:54
Speaker 1: of framing Ghislaine Maxwell as what she is. Now, there
31:00
Speaker 1: have been plenty of other outlets that have refused to
31:03
Speaker 1: do it. Moving forward, I'm very interested to see which
31:08
Speaker 1: ones of these outlets actually fall in line here and
31:13
Speaker 1: call her what she is and not a socialite. Because, again,
31:17
Speaker 1: it matters, right? When you're talking about Ghislaine Maxwell, the
31:21
Speaker 1: way the legacy media has leading up to all of this,
31:25
Speaker 1: they would frame it like she was just some socialite
31:27
Speaker 1: or that this was some kind of madam situation where
31:30
Speaker 1: she was just providing prostitutes for Jeffrey Epstein. That's the
31:34
Speaker 1: way the legacy media framed it for a very long time.
31:37
Speaker 1: And then you wonder why people had no idea the
31:40
Speaker 1: true scope of what was going on here. You wonder
31:42
Speaker 1: why I'm getting emails every single day from people who
31:46
Speaker 1: had no clue.
31:48
Speaker 2: The true scope.
31:51
Speaker 1: And it all goes back to the legacy media not
31:54
Speaker 1: doing their job. And I know I rant about that
31:59
Speaker 1: here on the podcast, but it's very important that you
32:02
Speaker 1: all understand that the legacy media, this version of it anyway,
32:06
Speaker 1: is not there as an ally for us.
32:09
Speaker 2: The people, right?
32:10
Speaker 1: The fourth estate is always supposed to be a bulwark
32:12
Speaker 1: between us and the most powerful. They're the ones that
32:16
Speaker 1: are supposed to be holding these people responsible. not independent
32:19
Speaker 1: content creators who are doing it out of their own pocket. Instead,
32:25
Speaker 1: the legacy media would much rather yap about how your
32:29
Speaker 1: cousin Tom hates you because he voted for Joe Biden,
32:33
Speaker 1: or your mom is some crazy racist because she voted
32:36
Speaker 1: for insert politician here. That's crazy stuff to me, okay?
32:42
Speaker 1: The legacy media gaslighting everybody, getting everybody wound up with
32:46
Speaker 1: their rage porn about how everybody should hate each other. Meanwhile,
32:50
Speaker 1: they're not breaking it down. They're not giving you the details.
32:54
Speaker 1: And they're not informing you of.
32:56
Speaker 2: The real issues at hand.
32:58
Speaker 1: Such as Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and the true scope
33:02
Speaker 1: of what they were up to. The good news is,
33:06
Speaker 1: people are starting to wake up. And just take a
33:08
Speaker 1: look at how... popular a lot of independent content creators
33:13
Speaker 1: and investigative journalists have become as opposed to the legacy
33:18
Speaker 1: media i mean they have no one to blame but
33:22
Speaker 1: themselves either by the way all of these pearl clutching
33:25
Speaker 1: blue check marks on twitter and elsewhere who get up
33:29
Speaker 1: there and preach down to everybody else while at the
33:33
Speaker 1: same time providing cover for people like epstein and maxwell
33:41
Speaker 1: So it's about time that we stop calling Ghislaine Maxwell
33:44
Speaker 1: a socialite. And it's time that we start calling her
33:47
Speaker 1: what she is. A sex trafficker and a child abuser.
33:52
Speaker 1: And the author of this article from The Guardian is
33:54
Speaker 1: doing exactly that. This article is from The Guardian and
34:00
Speaker 1: the author is Joan Smith. For years she was described
34:06
Speaker 1: as a socialite. A word that conceals more than it explains.
34:10
Speaker 1: Socialites are almost always women from a wealthy, if not
34:14
Speaker 1: an aristocratic background, and their defining characteristic is being photographed
34:20
Speaker 1: with famous people. Imagine these socialites, and I'm using air quotes,
34:26
Speaker 1: come from some of the most powerful families in the world,
34:29
Speaker 1: scions in the world of business and politics and you
34:32
Speaker 1: name it. And what are they known for? What do
34:35
Speaker 1: they use their great power, their great influence, their great
34:38
Speaker 1: wealth for? to become more famous, to get in more pictures,
34:42
Speaker 1: to extend their social worth. Meanwhile, have any of you
34:48
Speaker 1: taken a ride down a major thoroughfare in any major
34:53
Speaker 1: city around the country and seen the absolute abject poverty
34:57
Speaker 1: that these people are living in? Meanwhile, we have a
35:00
Speaker 1: socialite class in this country who are basically getting paid
35:04
Speaker 1: millions and millions of dollars to take pictures places with people.
35:11
Speaker 1: And these are the people that others are looking up to? Sorry,
35:14
Speaker 1: not me.
35:16
Speaker 2: I think all of these people are weird.
35:18
Speaker 1: I think the whole entire so-called polite society is corrupt
35:24
Speaker 1: and polluted. And anyone who's aspiring to be a quote-unquote
35:29
Speaker 1: socialite should probably have their brains checked. Glenn Maxwell fitted
35:35
Speaker 1: the bill, appearing in photos with everyone from Donald Trump
35:39
Speaker 1: to Elon Musk to Prince Andrew. But being a socialite
35:43
Speaker 1: is not a job. And it was unclear how she
35:45
Speaker 1: financed her opulent lifestyle. Especially after the death of her father, Robert. Eh,
35:52
Speaker 1: it's no shock to me. We all know the deal.
35:54
Speaker 1: She was set up with Jeffrey Epstein for this express purpose.
35:59
Speaker 1: For them to work hand in hand to provide compromise. Again,
36:03
Speaker 1: the legacy media refuses to touch that, right? They refuse
36:06
Speaker 1: to really go down the real rabbit holes that matter.
36:11
Speaker 1: And for me, I'll just let my work speak for itself.
36:15
Speaker 1: We're going on three years here now with over 1,500
36:18
Speaker 1: episodes in the catalog, and the proof is in the pudding.
36:23
Speaker 1: The question is, when's the legacy media going to catch
36:27
Speaker 1: up to us about this? It took them forever to
36:29
Speaker 1: catch up about a bunch of other things, so I'm
36:32
Speaker 1: guessing it's going to take forever for them to catch
36:35
Speaker 1: up here as well. because they've been lapped, right? The
36:38
Speaker 1: stuff the legacy media is all shocked about, things people were, oh, wow,
36:42
Speaker 1: I had no idea about, stuff we've been talking about
36:45
Speaker 1: for three years. And I don't just mean me. I'm
36:47
Speaker 1: talking about people who have been following this case closely.
36:52
Speaker 1: And when it comes to Ghislaine Maxwell's lifestyle and the
36:55
Speaker 1: way she got her money, it's very obvious how she
36:58
Speaker 1: got her money. She was working hand in hand with
37:00
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. He was engaging in all kinds of financial
37:04
Speaker 1: malfeasance all over the globe And at the same time,
37:08
Speaker 1: Maxwell's role within the enterprise was bringing her in a
37:13
Speaker 1: bunch of bucks as well. So she wasn't a socialite
37:17
Speaker 1: as far as, say, like a Paris Hilton, right? Somebody
37:20
Speaker 1: who's just going around taking pictures, getting drunk and acting
37:23
Speaker 1: the fool. That wasn't what Maxwell was doing. She was
37:26
Speaker 1: opening doors for Jeffrey Epstein that would have never been
37:30
Speaker 1: open for him. And that all goes back to her upbringing,
37:33
Speaker 1: generational wealth. The Old Boys Club of England, if you will.
37:41
Speaker 1: Over recent weeks, during her trial on sex trafficking charges
37:44
Speaker 1: in a New York courtroom, the answer became clear. Maxwell's
37:48
Speaker 1: wealth came from her erstwhile boyfriend, see they still don't
37:51
Speaker 1: get it right, from her business partner and partner in crime,
37:55
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, who gave her at least $ 30. 7 million worth
37:59
Speaker 1: Over a period of eight years. Way more than that, folks. Now,
38:03
Speaker 1: can I prove that to you with receipts? I can't.
38:05
Speaker 2: Okay?
38:06
Speaker 1: But when you look at the hustle Epstein was up
38:09
Speaker 1: to in the Virgin Islands and elsewhere, the Gratz hustle,
38:16
Speaker 1: every other kind of IPO hustle you can imagine, every
38:19
Speaker 1: kind of money stash you can imagine, it was all
38:23
Speaker 1: occurring offshore. And I have a hard time believing that.
38:27
Speaker 1: that the only money Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell had
38:30
Speaker 1: is what they told the federal government that they were holding.
38:34
Speaker 1: You mean to tell me they didn't have a bag
38:36
Speaker 1: in reserve?
38:37
Speaker 2: Stop it.
38:38
Speaker 1: These people always have a bag in reserve. By all accounts,
38:44
Speaker 1: Maxwell went from being in love with him to discovering
38:47
Speaker 1: that her usefulness lay elsewhere and providing a steady stream
38:51
Speaker 1: of young girls to satisfy his depraved sexual appetite. And
38:56
Speaker 1: this again is where they missed the point. They get
38:58
Speaker 1: a little bit of it, right? But it wasn't just
39:00
Speaker 1: his sexual appetite that was being addressed here. His proclivities
39:07
Speaker 1: were perfect for the intelligence services. This is exactly what
39:12
Speaker 1: the intelligence services love. A guy like Epstein in the
39:16
Speaker 1: financial sector who has proclivities.
39:18
Speaker 2: Such as his.
39:20
Speaker 1: Get that guy involved in your schemes and your plots
39:23
Speaker 1: and your honeypot operation and forget it. The sky is
39:26
Speaker 1: the limit as we have seen here. And for those
39:29
Speaker 1: of you who think, oh, come on, the government would
39:31
Speaker 1: never be in bed with a guy like Jeffrey Epstein.
39:34
Speaker 1: I mean, just off the top of my head, a
39:36
Speaker 1: couple of people here that the government's been in bed
39:38
Speaker 1: with in the past.
39:39
Speaker 2: Whitey Bulger.
39:41
Speaker 1: Sammy the Bull Gravano, both men, serial killers, both men,
39:46
Speaker 1: absolute murderers and scumbags, and the government had no problem
39:49
Speaker 1: getting in bed with them because the means justified the end.
39:54
Speaker 1: And if you think the same didn't happen with Jeffrey Epstein,
39:57
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you at this point.
40:00
Speaker 1: I know we have certain people out there, oh, there's
40:03
Speaker 1: no intelligence ties with Jeffrey Epstein, that's absurd. Those are
40:06
Speaker 1: the very same people, folks, remember? that were probably pitching
40:10
Speaker 1: you that the weapons of mass destruction lie in Iraq
40:13
Speaker 1: was right, and that the whole entire Russia fiasco was legit.
40:18
Speaker 1: It's all BS and political theater with these people. The
40:25
Speaker 1: girls trusted her, thinking of her as an older sister,
40:28
Speaker 1: and only realized later that they had been betrayed. The socialite, co-conspirator,
40:34
Speaker 1: general all around scuzzbag, convicted sex trafficker, child abuser, was
40:38
Speaker 1: actually a procure. A word with deservedly unpleasant connotations. You see,
40:43
Speaker 1: she was more than that. As much as I appreciate
40:48
Speaker 1: the author here, Joan Smith, taking up the mantle and
40:50
Speaker 1: talking about how she's not a socialite, again, she doesn't
40:53
Speaker 1: go far enough. Again, she's watching her words. You notice
40:59
Speaker 1: they never watch their words when they're attacking their political opponents, however, right?
41:08
Speaker 1: It does not sit easily with Maxwell's glamorous lifestyle, the planes, helicopters,
41:14
Speaker 1: and visits to Epstein's private islands. Many well-known people will
41:18
Speaker 1: surely be regretting that they ever moved in the same
41:21
Speaker 1: circles as Maxwell and Epstein, let alone appear in the
41:24
Speaker 1: aircraft logs revealed in court.
41:27
Speaker 2: Indeed.
41:28
Speaker 1: Maxwell's conviction last week on five charges seems to have
41:32
Speaker 1: created a kind of cognitive dissonance in some circles, as
41:35
Speaker 1: though such things simply should not happen to a woman
41:38
Speaker 1: with a degree from Balliol. I mean, again, this is
41:43
Speaker 1: the perception people have of the so-called elite, and that's
41:47
Speaker 1: a perception that they have fostered for years and years
41:50
Speaker 1: and years. But those of us who know the deal,
41:54
Speaker 1: we understand that the so-called elite They're more depraved than
41:59
Speaker 1: just about anybody else. I don't care where you have
42:03
Speaker 1: your degree from. I don't care what kind of charitable
42:06
Speaker 1: work you have done. If you're running around with Jeffrey Epstein,
42:10
Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell, and the rest of them, you, my friend,
42:13
Speaker 1: are on the list as a piece of shit. See,
42:19
Speaker 1: I've been talking about this for a while. Anyone who
42:22
Speaker 1: knows people who have been to prison, anyone who has
42:24
Speaker 1: loved ones who have been to prison, understand right away
42:26
Speaker 1: that all of Maxwell's bullshit was exactly that bullshit. She
42:29
Speaker 1: wasn't treated no different than anybody else. And she does
42:49
Speaker 1: not want to be on the main line. And then
42:52
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, all of these so-called elite, all
42:56
Speaker 1: of these people who are in Maxwell's circle or Epstein's circle,
42:59
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, all of these people
43:02
Speaker 1: all of a sudden care about how jail reform's going
43:06
Speaker 1: or what's going on in the prison systems in the
43:08
Speaker 1: United States. But the thing is, where were they before
43:12
Speaker 1: Maxwell was arrested?
43:14
Speaker 2: Where were they?
43:15
Speaker 1: When people like Kalief Browder were rotting away in prison.
43:21
Speaker 1: Siblings have rallied round, insisting that they cannot accept the
43:24
Speaker 1: jury's guilty verdicts. Although, that seems to be more of
43:27
Speaker 1: an expression of denial than in any real expectation that
43:31
Speaker 1: she will win an appeal. Well, you can't expect them
43:34
Speaker 1: to say anything else, right? There's no way that she's
43:36
Speaker 1: winning any appeal, folks.
43:38
Speaker 2: I don't buy it. Zero chance.
43:40
Speaker 1: Just like I didn't think she'd win her trial, I
43:43
Speaker 1: don't think she'll win any kind of appeal here. She
43:47
Speaker 1: was not treated any differently. She was not treated wrongly.
43:51
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, she got more of
43:53
Speaker 1: a fair shake than just about anybody else. We know
43:58
Speaker 1: from rape trials that the public imagination struggles to accommodate
44:02
Speaker 1: individuals who challenge stereotypes about sex offenders, whether it is
44:06
Speaker 1: the good looking date who turns out to be a
44:08
Speaker 1: rapist or the socialite who facilitates a pedophile. It's easier
44:14
Speaker 1: to believe terrible things about Rosemary West, a dumpy, working-class
44:18
Speaker 1: woman who helped lure girls into her husband's car and
44:22
Speaker 1: joined in his abuse of them, than an heiress who
44:25
Speaker 1: once rested her boot on the thigh of an entranced
44:28
Speaker 1: Boris Johnson. See, for me, it's not. And I hope
44:31
Speaker 1: that that's one thing that all of you folks take
44:34
Speaker 1: from this podcast. If you take nothing else from it,
44:36
Speaker 1: please take this. Those who would rule over you... despise you.
44:44
Speaker 1: Those who would rule over you are not these great people.
44:50
Speaker 1: And when I think about people like this, I don't
44:52
Speaker 1: think about working class people. I think about people like
44:55
Speaker 1: Maxwell and Epstein and Jean-Luc Brunel and Darren Hindyke and
44:59
Speaker 1: the rest of them. Fred and Rose West committed horrific
45:04
Speaker 1: crimes together, torturing their victims as well as killing them.
45:08
Speaker 1: But Fred West was already a murderer when he chose
45:11
Speaker 1: 15-year-old Rosemary Letts, who had a horrendous history of child
45:15
Speaker 1: sexual abuse, as his accomplice. Yeah, well, that's all fine
45:18
Speaker 1: and well, but Maxwell doesn't have that to fall back on.
45:23
Speaker 1: That kind of armor to wrap herself in. She was
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Speaker 1: from great privilege. She was born into the Maxwell family.
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Speaker 1: You want to talk about having money? Talk about having
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Speaker 1: dough and power and reach? It doesn't get much more...
45:37
Speaker 1: elite than that so any kind of position that's being
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Speaker 1: taken that Maxwell's any kind of victim or that she
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Speaker 1: couldn't stop Jeffrey Epstein if she wanted to is bullshit
45:49
Speaker 1: in my opinion she could have stopped him she could
45:53
Speaker 1: have ratted on him she could have went to the
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Speaker 1: authorities instead she continued to do it with him and
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Speaker 1: continued to benefit from it predators have a sixth sense
46:03
Speaker 1: when it comes to choosing co-conspirators Maxwell was a grown
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Speaker 1: woman when she met Epstein and fully responsible for the
46:09
Speaker 1: choices she would go on to make. But it is
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Speaker 1: striking that their relationship seems to have begun around the
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Speaker 1: time of her father's fatal fall from the yacht to
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Speaker 1: be named after her, the Lady Ghislaine.
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Speaker 2: That's BS as well.
46:23
Speaker 1: Again, the legacy media not knowing what they're talking about.
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Speaker 1: And with all respect to Joan Smith, she could probably
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Speaker 1: do with listening to the podcast for a little while
46:33
Speaker 1: before her next article. Because this has nothing to do
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Speaker 1: with that. Maxwell was never a victim. Maxwell and Epstein
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Speaker 1: met before. Maxwell's dad died in fact. And the whole
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Speaker 1: entire thing. Was a plot set up. For them to
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Speaker 1: work in conjunction.
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Speaker 2: With each other.
46:54
Speaker 1: It's no excuse to say. That the discovery that her
46:56
Speaker 1: father was a fraudster. So soon after his death. Would
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Speaker 1: have shaken Maxwell to her foundations.
47:02
Speaker 2: But.
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Speaker 1: It may be that Epstein recognized her weaknesses, seized his chance,
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Speaker 1: and got access to an address book that included the
47:09
Speaker 1: Queen's favorite son, the Duke of York. Again, sorry, Joan Smith.
47:15
Speaker 1: That's not going to work. Your underhanded protection of Maxwell
47:18
Speaker 1: here is not going to go over so well. She's
47:21
Speaker 1: a scumbag. She was not manipulated. She was very educated.
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Speaker 1: At any time, she could have bounced. At any time,
47:29
Speaker 1: she could have ratted Jeffrey Epstein out. She chose not to.
47:33
Speaker 1: She chose not to. And now, it's time to reap
47:37
Speaker 1: the storm. Maxwell's connections boosted his sense of impunity, which
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Speaker 1: is perhaps the single most important factor in allowing predators
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Speaker 1: to get away with their crimes. He would later describe
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Speaker 1: Maxwell in humiliating terms as an ex-girlfriend who had fallen
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Speaker 1: on hard times, framing himself as the benefactor who had
47:59
Speaker 1: allowed her to live the style to which she had
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Speaker 1: become accustomed. Again, all part of the plan, all part
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Speaker 1: of the plot. I urge you to watch the show
48:08
Speaker 1: Americans if you want to see a better explanation of
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Speaker 1: how these kinds of people who work in the world
48:15
Speaker 1: of spycraft or who are assets, how they conduct themselves.
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Speaker 1: They'll set it up as if there's a married couple
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Speaker 1: with kids, the whole thing. And it's all a plot.
48:27
Speaker 1: That's how the intelligence services work. I know a lot
48:29
Speaker 1: of us don't want to think about the intelligence services
48:32
Speaker 1: too deeply because it's terrifying. But I'm here to tell you,
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Speaker 1: everything that Edward Snowden was telling you folks, he wasn't lying.
48:40
Speaker 1: And Julian Assange, he wasn't lying either. There's a reason
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Speaker 1: that the American government wants him so bad, folks. The
48:53
Speaker 1: mystery surrounding the source of Epstein's wealth has led to
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Speaker 1: comparisons with Jay Gatsby, the enigmatic main character in Scott
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Speaker 1: Fitzgerald's novel. But such mythology lends a suspicious glamour.
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Speaker 2: To sordid crimes.
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Speaker 1: No, none of that either, folks. I don't know who's
49:10
Speaker 1: calling him the Great Gatsby. More like the Great Ratsby.
49:13
Speaker 1: More like the Great Moron. The dude was getting his
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Speaker 1: money because he knew the hustle. He knew the Gratz hustle.
49:20
Speaker 1: He was getting IPOs from Goldman Sachs. And he was
49:24
Speaker 1: on the team, right? When you're on the team, you
49:26
Speaker 1: get the hookup, folks. You got the Gratz hustle going
49:30
Speaker 1: on where you're basically guaranteed a buyback of the stock
49:33
Speaker 1: purchases you make by the bank. It's all a hustle
49:36
Speaker 1: for rich people to get richer. and I've been talking
49:39
Speaker 1: about this for three years now, the financial angle of
49:42
Speaker 1: this crime is never discussed enough, and nobody really dives
49:46
Speaker 1: in hard enough. It is a depressing fact that women
49:53
Speaker 1: who identify with powerful men often share their misogyny and
49:57
Speaker 1: reflect it back in a desperate quest for approval. Profiles
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Speaker 1: of Epstein remarked on the disturbing fact that his homes
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Speaker 1: were full of teenage girls. They're nothing, these girls, Maxwell
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Speaker 1: once told a confidant. They are trash. And that's how
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Speaker 1: Maxwell and Epstein thought about all of us, not just
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Speaker 1: the girls. We're all plebs to them, folks. Our robber
50:18
Speaker 1: baron class, meaning our political class, and people like Epstein
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Speaker 1: and Maxwell, if you only understood the low opinion they
50:26
Speaker 1: had of you, you would never ever again carry water
50:29
Speaker 1: for these pieces of shit. You would never ever again
50:32
Speaker 1: get on Twitter. And talk shit about this or that
50:35
Speaker 1: or the other thing. Because in reality, the real enemy,
50:39
Speaker 1: the real issue at hand, folks, are these kinds of people. Maxwell, Epstein,
50:44
Speaker 1: they're friends. It's not your uncle, it's not your aunt,
50:47
Speaker 1: it's not your friend from high school. It must have
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Speaker 1: occurred to Maxwell by now that the two men she
50:55
Speaker 1: put absolute faith in, her father and her ex-lover, both
50:59
Speaker 1: left her to face the music after their apparent suicides.
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Speaker 2: And for what?
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Speaker 1: The columnist Barbara Amiel, who is married to the former
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Speaker 1: newspaper magnate Conrad Black, recalls a conversation that shows Maxwell
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Speaker 1: in an unexpected and highly unflattering light. I bet I'm
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Speaker 1: in charge of more laboratories and bathrooms than you are,
51:20
Speaker 1: Maxwell suddenly said as the two women were walking along
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Speaker 1: the beach. While Amiel thought about it, Maxwell reminded her
51:26
Speaker 1: to include those on planes. 39, said Amiel, and Maxwell's
51:31
Speaker 1: face lit up. I win, she exclaimed. Uh, what? I
51:35
Speaker 1: don't even understand that line of thinking. I mean, imagine
51:39
Speaker 1: being so rich or whatever that you're arguing about who
51:42
Speaker 1: has more bathrooms under your thumb. Sounds like a great
51:46
Speaker 1: argument to have. Questions about Maxwell's relationship with Epstein have
51:51
Speaker 1: now been cleared up. She procured girls for him, and
51:56
Speaker 1: it speaks volumes about our moral compass, or lack of it.
51:59
Speaker 1: that she evidently cared more about the number of laboratories
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Speaker 1: in his mansions than the vulnerable teenagers she exposed to
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Speaker 1: sexual assault and rape. Well, not only that, not only
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Speaker 1: that she exposed, that she took part in, Ms. Smith,
52:13
Speaker 1: that she helped, that she had literally hands-on. So when
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Speaker 1: we talk about Maxwell, we need to remember that as well.
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Speaker 1: She's not just some procurer. She's not a madam. She's
52:27
Speaker 1: not a pimp, okay? She is a child abuser, a
52:31
Speaker 1: sex trafficker, and a scummy, pitiful excuse for a human being.
52:37
Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to wrap it up for
52:41
Speaker 1: this morning. Now, I'll be back later on, obviously, with
52:44
Speaker 1: some more context episodes. And we'll see about later on tonight.
52:48
Speaker 1: We might do a nighttime episode tonight, nighttime update. I
52:52
Speaker 1: have a couple of articles I want to get to.
52:54
Speaker 1: But starting tomorrow, we're going to be hitting the ground running, folks.
52:58
Speaker 2: We'll be here every day.
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Speaker 1: We'll be back on Beyond the Horizon every day. And yeah,
53:02
Speaker 1: we're going to keep the story going because there is
53:05
Speaker 1: a lot to get to. So I hope all of
53:08
Speaker 1: you folks enjoy your Sunday. And with that said, you
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