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Higgins Getting Hitched · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with i R Radio. Hello everyone, welcome to the Almost
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  Speaker 1: Famous podcast. And today it's a really special day because
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  Speaker 1: it's quite possibly the last podcast better than I do together.
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  Speaker 1: As he is a nonmarried man whoa married. You're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be married possibly next time we do this. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: I am going to get married. Um, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I'll be able to be here next week
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  Speaker 1: or not, because I think my flight is during our
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  Speaker 1: recording time to I'm actually going to New York City
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  Speaker 1: to open up a dark coffee shop there for a
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  Speaker 1: grand opening, and then flying from there to Nashville. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know that you're opening a generous shop in New York. Yeah, soho,
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  Speaker 1: we got it. It's in the good market. Yeah. You
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  Speaker 1: what a huge week. That's insane. Yeah, it's great. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so pumped. So there's so many cool things happening.
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  Speaker 1: But I could be I'm gonna be getting married. And
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  Speaker 1: when you say that, I feel like and I was
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  Speaker 1: telling just this last night, we were talking like I
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  Speaker 1: feel like I should be like feeling anxious or nervous.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how you felt, Ashley. Um, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: anxious or nervous, just stressed about like the day going
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  Speaker 1: according to plan. Yeah, I think that's it for me.
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  Speaker 1: Is like I just really you know, we have the
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  Speaker 1: whole team from FETE Nashville and um Jessica's mom and
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  Speaker 1: my mom and Jessica. I will put myself into that,
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  Speaker 1: but I haven't done as much as what they have
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  Speaker 1: have virtually hard on making this wedding something that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be really fun. Like we wanted to be a celebration.
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  Speaker 1: Your wedding was a celebration, Like we wanted to be
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  Speaker 1: something that everybody came and enjoyed and like and like
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  Speaker 1: walked away going wow, Like we felt like love was
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  Speaker 1: being celebrated in that moment. I really want that to happen.
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm more nervous or anxious for that. I
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  Speaker 1: am so at peace with the wedding thing like it is.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost oddly non emotional for me. I thought, I
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  Speaker 1: completely kind of late. Yeah, I I hate to say that,
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  Speaker 1: because like I'm like, oh, I always saw my like
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  Speaker 1: gleaning up to my wedding, there would be this like
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  Speaker 1: like almost like I can't hardly like breathe, and I don't.
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  Speaker 1: But like I'm like, no, this feels awesome. Like I'm
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  Speaker 1: this is great, this is cool. We're gonna get married
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  Speaker 1: and it's gonna be great. Is just doing like all
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  Speaker 1: the last minute things like what is on her plate
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  Speaker 1: right now? Um, she's doing everything from you know, she
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  Speaker 1: just went and got her hair practiced. Um, why she's
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  Speaker 1: gonna wear it for the wedding. Um she did her
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  Speaker 1: final dress fitting. Um she is starting to I think
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  Speaker 1: this afternoon she took work off to start to pack
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  Speaker 1: and to prep um for everything that's going on there.
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  Speaker 1: And then it's it's like a checklist of small things
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  Speaker 1: that she has to do when she gets to Nashville,
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  Speaker 1: and so just random little things. I I was in
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  Speaker 1: charge of two things actually, the liquor um for the wedding,
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  Speaker 1: which is good, the heaters for the wedding just in
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  Speaker 1: case it's a little chili. And then my groomsman and
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  Speaker 1: I asked Jessica, so I think her wedding starts at
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  Speaker 1: like five o'clock? You think I it's like four thirty
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  Speaker 1: or five. It's one of those two. And I was like, hey, hunt,
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  Speaker 1: oh it's at four great, perfect, Well I was an
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  Speaker 1: hour off. I'll be there. Um, but I was asking
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  Speaker 1: her last night. I was like, Hey, when should I
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  Speaker 1: get my groomsmen to the venue to get ready? And
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  Speaker 1: she's like, I don't know, what do you need to do.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, well, we're gonna take pictures beforehand. She's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Chicelein will take get dressed. I was like ten minutes.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, okay, we'll get him there like two hours
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  Speaker 1: in advance. I was like, well, I want him there longer.
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  Speaker 1: I want to be kicking it with him that day.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna get him there for like brunch
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  Speaker 1: to hang out and watch football, while like Jesse's you know,
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  Speaker 1: bridesmaid have to be there at the crack of dawn,
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  Speaker 1: um doing their deal. It's great for me, I'm living
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  Speaker 1: the dream. Jared loved hanging out with his groomsmen before
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  Speaker 1: that was like one of the very special parts of
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  Speaker 1: the day. I actually wanted to be ah and I
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  Speaker 1: was kind of like a weird bride. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my mom, the wedding planner, and my sister, they can
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  Speaker 1: be in the room, but like I just wanted like
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  Speaker 1: a sense of peace and calm and just not like
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  Speaker 1: to be surrounded by like a whole bunch of like
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  Speaker 1: bipping girls do I all love very much? But I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I just know myself and I I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to get like, I don't want to put unnecessary
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  Speaker 1: stress on me, holy everybody analyzing like what I look
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  Speaker 1: like and my every little flick of makeup and all that.
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  Speaker 1: I've got two questions for you. Are you guys writing
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  Speaker 1: your own vows or will they be traditional? Jared and
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  Speaker 1: I did both. We did the traditional vows and we
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  Speaker 1: wrote her on I'm gonna write We're gonna write our own. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I actually like the idea of doing both. Maybe we'll
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  Speaker 1: mix that incause I haven't thought about that, but I
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  Speaker 1: have a lot I want to say to her, uh
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  Speaker 1: in front of everybody, and I think she feels similar,
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  Speaker 1: and so I wanted that moment. You know. The way
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  Speaker 1: the way we view this is like, this is definitely
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  Speaker 1: like our special day, but it's a day to also
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  Speaker 1: celebrate the people that are gonna be in that room
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  Speaker 1: with us, because like we we feel very thankful that
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  Speaker 1: we have these people in our lives, and so I
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  Speaker 1: want them to We wanted them to be involved in
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  Speaker 1: that and hear what was coming from our heart. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But I like the idea of doing both, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this week and I'm not to change the subject because
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  Speaker 1: this is such an amazing thing. And tomorrow we have
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  Speaker 1: People magazine coming to the house in Denver and we're
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  Speaker 1: into our photo shoot and they're they're covering the wedding,
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  Speaker 1: which is just like so cool for us, uh to cool, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Like you get to tell your kids that you're what
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  Speaker 1: I have People Magazine. That was like our sealing the deal. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And so they come like our kids are gonna be
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  Speaker 1: like a wait, why Yeah, they're gonna be They're not
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  Speaker 1: going to think I'm cool, and that's fine. Um, but
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  Speaker 1: they come to myorrow and so we're really excited for that.
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  Speaker 1: But um, this last week, you know, I missed last
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  Speaker 1: week's podcast because I was in a wedding UM for
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  Speaker 1: my best friend who who I talked about, who has
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  Speaker 1: a LS and they did their own vows and it's
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  Speaker 1: really hard for him right now to speak UM, and
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  Speaker 1: I lost it. And I lost it for a couple
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  Speaker 1: of reasons. One, it's hard, like it sucks, like you
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  Speaker 1: see your best friend that you love dearly, um struggling
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  Speaker 1: to get words out and you know, having to pause
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  Speaker 1: to catch his breath and like that whole thing is
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  Speaker 1: is brutal to see. But also there was this level
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  Speaker 1: two when since we're talking about the vows to where
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  Speaker 1: like he was able to share you know, he he
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  Speaker 1: had like a line in there like when you met me,
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  Speaker 1: this wasn't the plan um and this illnesses came came
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  Speaker 1: about as we were together. But I also don't want
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  Speaker 1: to go through this with anybody else, and I lost it,
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  Speaker 1: like absolutely lost it, and I just like I want
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  Speaker 1: that from my wedding because everybody in the audience heard
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  Speaker 1: where they were at in life and knew the commitment
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  Speaker 1: they were both through making to each other in that moment.
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  Speaker 1: And for me, I was like, this is why we're
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  Speaker 1: doing our own vows, because this touches something more personal
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  Speaker 1: than than anything that is maybe you know, traditional or
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  Speaker 1: written up already. I completely agree. I wanted traditional just
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  Speaker 1: because I'm a traditionalist, but then I wanted to write
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  Speaker 1: them because I also it's just like at this point,
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  Speaker 1: traditional sometimes feels like, oh, you know, we've heard the
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  Speaker 1: cizillion times, yeah, and it's not Yeah, it's obviously not
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  Speaker 1: personal with us anyway, Wait, how old is he? He
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  Speaker 1: is thirty five and how long has he had it?
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  Speaker 1: He was just diagnosed a month and a half ago. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but he's just the guy that you thought had lime disease. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: same guy. So you know, they thought, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Yeah. So he was living with me,
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  Speaker 1: um when he started to lose his speech, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, dude, why like why do you stumble your
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  Speaker 1: words at night? Like we just had like one beer,
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  Speaker 1: Like what's going are you? Like have you been drinking?
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  Speaker 1: Like are you super sad? Like are you drinking alone
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  Speaker 1: at night? Like I'm here to drink with you as
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  Speaker 1: much as you need to get through, you know, his
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  Speaker 1: life at that point, and um, he's like no, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why. I don't know what's going on. And um,
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  Speaker 1: they diagnosed with him lime and they actually say that
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  Speaker 1: lime disease can spark if you have like the A
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  Speaker 1: L S gene or whatever it is in your body,
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  Speaker 1: the trauma of a of lime can spark that to
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  Speaker 1: happen faster. So they think maybe that he had both. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So right after this, right after this, we are like
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  Speaker 1: we are full advocacy mode, like we were talking to
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  Speaker 1: every single group of people out there, and that's I
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  Speaker 1: actually just got a message from an almost famous listener today.
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  Speaker 1: Her name is Amanda. I won't share her last name obviously,
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  Speaker 1: and her husband was diagnosed with a l S at
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  Speaker 1: twenty nine and he's it's two years in for him
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  Speaker 1: and he's still doing really well. There's some like um
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  Speaker 1: experimental treatments out there. A LS is really underfunded because
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  Speaker 1: people get it and they pass away fairly quickly. So
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  Speaker 1: like the investment in the pharmaceutical companies doesn't necessarily see
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  Speaker 1: the monetary value of putting a lot of research behind it,
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  Speaker 1: which is too bad. And um, but if you have
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  Speaker 1: any information, message me or email me. Um and uh
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  Speaker 1: and I would love to hear a contact dot Bend
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  Speaker 1: dot Hay at gmail dot com. I'd love to hear
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  Speaker 1: anything you have because we are full on like miracle mode. Now,
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  Speaker 1: let's go weddings done, they're in love, they're happy. Let's
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  Speaker 1: make magic happen. It's kind of our philosophy right now.
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  Speaker 1: It is the worst and it needs to get up here.
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  Speaker 1: It's horrible. Um, and that's gonna be amazing. I'm excited
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  Speaker 1: to see what you guys can do. Yeah, and then
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  Speaker 1: and then I have to go back to your wedding
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  Speaker 1: for second, Do you guys aren't doing a first look,
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  Speaker 1: are you? Um no, We're well, we'll do we'll do
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  Speaker 1: it before. We're doing photos before. Is that what the
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  Speaker 1: first look is? Are doing photos before? Yeah, because I'm
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  Speaker 1: shocked at that. I thought that you guys would be
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more traditional in the sense that, like
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  Speaker 1: you see for the first time walking down the aisle,
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  Speaker 1: you really want to get the photos done. Yeah, because
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  Speaker 1: we're our reception is only a few hours and like
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  Speaker 1: it's like four and a half hours, and if you
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  Speaker 1: did photos and it's another you know, hour out of that,
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  Speaker 1: and we just wanted to be able to get around
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  Speaker 1: and say hey to everybody. And so we're gonna do
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  Speaker 1: it before. And there's like a lot of moving parts.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you get stuff donated to your wedding, and
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  Speaker 1: you get stuff done at your wedding and uh, and
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  Speaker 1: you just want to get those done like beforehand. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: in our opinion, So we are going to do that. Um,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know how. I don't know how we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: do the look yet, but it's I actually more excited
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  Speaker 1: to just have her and eye in that moment um
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  Speaker 1: and when she walks down the aisle. Obviously that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a whole new ball game. But like just to
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  Speaker 1: have her and Eye in that moment, to see each
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  Speaker 1: other as something that like I'm very um actually, like
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  Speaker 1: I could tear up just thinking about it. Um. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just really excited for that because like she's just
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  Speaker 1: beautiful and she's gonna shine, and I know she's gonna
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  Speaker 1: look beautiful, and I know that night's gonna be like
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  Speaker 1: she's gonna feel super loved, and so I'm I'm just
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  Speaker 1: so excited, um for us to get here. We're only
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  Speaker 1: a few like we're not even two weeks away now, um,
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  Speaker 1: and so we got we got some more. I guess
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  Speaker 1: I gotta go to New York before this. Actually, like
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  Speaker 1: this is this is a lot to do. I have
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  Speaker 1: so many questions to just keep popping up. I now
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  Speaker 1: I need your prediction on what her dress is gonna be. Like, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I knew you're gonna ask me something like this, because
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  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be like fairly simple, doesn'teem. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna have any shoulders. Um strap list
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  Speaker 1: that's good. Help me out with the verbage. As I
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  Speaker 1: talked through this, I think it's going to have like
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  Speaker 1: a really cool design, like over the chest, in the belly,
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  Speaker 1: like I think in the front it's gonna be like
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  Speaker 1: will be embroidered. Yeah, there you will. There be bling.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like no, no, no, no bling. Um yeah
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  Speaker 1: I was bling like jewelry. No, that's like the dad
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  Speaker 1: like like crystallized beds, stuff like that, like pearls. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think so, I think. I don't. I don't see
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  Speaker 1: her do I don't see her loving that because you know,
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  Speaker 1: she's she's like, she's so naturally beautiful that she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: wear a lot of stuff usually, and she's so tiny
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  Speaker 1: that when she wears like a necklace, she looks like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's like a big old thousand fifty gold
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  Speaker 1: chain on her when she wears anything. Um, you know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna be fairly simple design. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I imagine it being backless. Um was that the right
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  Speaker 1: word for that? Okay? Cool? Um, it's gonna be hard
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  Speaker 1: to be strapless and backless, but it could be done.
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  Speaker 1: Could be done. Well, what's what's the shape? Is it
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  Speaker 1: going to be a ball down a line like Mermaids?
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  Speaker 1: What's an a line? I feel like lines, a line.
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  Speaker 1: I think a line for jazz for sure. That's like
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  Speaker 1: you know how mine was ball Mine was ball down.
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  Speaker 1: So it kind of like goes from the waist and
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  Speaker 1: like over a little bit, like really poofy. This is
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  Speaker 1: like the more understated version, like it goes like a
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  Speaker 1: a like it's in the shape of its puff, but
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  Speaker 1: down a line. I see an a line with her. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's it. I think I got it a line. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And then I'm I was going to show you one
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  Speaker 1: of my groomsmen gifts. Actually, none of my groomsmen listen
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  Speaker 1: to this podcast um at all. Uh. And that's not
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  Speaker 1: because they hate me, it's just because they don't. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is uh, this is one of my groomsman gifts
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  Speaker 1: that I'm so pumped for that I'm gonna make everybody
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  Speaker 1: wear at the wedding. Oh my gosh, guys, they're Ben
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  Speaker 1: Higgins boxers, the boxer briefs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, They've got
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  Speaker 1: Ben's face all over them. You think that's good as Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's really cute. Good, we'll get a picture in them. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited for this one. But oh, Ashley, it's a
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  Speaker 1: huge thing. I'm so pumped. And then the honeymoon is
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  Speaker 1: gonna be really exciting. We're going to St. Barts. Where
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  Speaker 1: is that St Barts? Um, we're gonna fly down there
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  Speaker 1: for a week. After the day after, we're gonna take
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  Speaker 1: a day and rest and then fly out like that Monday. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I think I got that from you. Also. I
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  Speaker 1: thought about you two weeks ago. We were taking final
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  Speaker 1: details for the ceremony and we were talking about you
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  Speaker 1: and Jared and we're like, you know, your wedding was
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  Speaker 1: so much you guys, Like it's so personal. There's so
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  Speaker 1: many like different things that you added in that made it,
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  Speaker 1: um just match your personalities, which is so cool. And
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  Speaker 1: so we have a surprise for our wedding that came
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  Speaker 1: from the inspiration of you all reading at the wedding.
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  Speaker 1: That's gonna be I think, awesome. Um yeah, So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you can think about what you're thinking about you as
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  Speaker 1: we did this. Can't wait to see it. I wonder
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  Speaker 1: if it'll go off in my head be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is the moment you'll know and then well, then
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  Speaker 1: after the wedding, when we do a wedding brief on
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  Speaker 1: this podcast, Um, I'll give all the details here. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it was, and we'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: it with everybody here on the podcast, and I'll read
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  Speaker 1: through exactly what they're reading was so they get an idea. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but you'll you'll know, Okay. Cool alright, Ben, Well it's
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  Speaker 1: about time we start talking about the Bachelor at episode.
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  Speaker 1: So after this quick break, we'll be here to give
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  Speaker 1: you the recap. Alright, we're back. Um, so much more
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  Speaker 1: wedding to discuss uh in the next few weeks. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you all for the kind words on Instagram. Um, just
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  Speaker 1: about the wedding coming up. It's such a cool deal.
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  Speaker 1: You know, this is a huge podcast. Life is changing,
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  Speaker 1: Ashley is pregnant, I'm getting married. We're growing up right
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  Speaker 1: here in front of your eyes and in your ears. Well, um,
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  Speaker 1: we've also grown up as a podcast because we started
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  Speaker 1: this in uh for the Bachelor in Paradise. It was
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  Speaker 1: a huge success. We've loved doing it. It's so much
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  Speaker 1: For sure, these clues are awesome. They really do coincide
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: well with the week ahead. Ben, I gotta get your
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: thoughts on Jamie from last week's episode before we get
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: into this one, because he again plays a big role. Yeah. So,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: I mean I think you know, Jamie came out of
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: the limo and he obviously had like a confidence to him,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: like a swagger that like was noticed and uh and
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: it always makes me hesitant on this show. I'd say,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: like anytime somebody seems really smooth and cool, Um, just
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I don't I personally don't believe anybody's actually like that. Like,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: I just don't think every anybody is like always so
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: cool the time. I think everybody has a little goof
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: to him. Um, so you're like, okay, putting on a
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: good first impression, and then he has his date and
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: and like he might have had the most roller coaster
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: of an episode I've ever seen, because my god, Ben,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I know you weren't here last week, but like I said,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know I've ever seen somebody's story arc go
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: up and down multiple times like that in one episode. Yeah,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: so you know, obviously he opens up and he tells
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: his story, and I don't want to neglect that or
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: push that away and say, like, you know that that
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: was important and I and I don't know him, I
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: believe it to all be true. I believe obviously there's
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that comes along with that, like
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: trauma and just you know, childhood nous that has probably
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: stuck with him as an adult. And so he has
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: his story and like I'm watching it at the time
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: in that place and going, he's, um, everybody's gonna fall
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: in love with him. He's the guy. He's it like
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: maybe he is this cool all the time. And then
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: you see the end of last week's episode and you go,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, like this dude feels I mean, it
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: almost feels like all of a sudden within moments like
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: now I just don't like him, Like I don't enjoy
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: watching him, I don't enjoy him as a person, and
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: like I want him gone, Like he's not good for Michelle.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: And he almost feels like after last week like the
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: guy that could trigger um, like he's some guy he's not.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: And then you get to this week and it all
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: capped off actually with me where I was like still
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: holding on the hope that he still is that guy.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe he just messed up and overspoken, overshared and got
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: insecure and said something he didn't mean, or said something
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: like we've all done it where you like explain yourself
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: and you know you you say everybody's thinking this, or
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: back in high school used to be like, you know,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I hear a rumor, um that you've done this. We're
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: really the rumors just in your own head. So I think,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: maybe give him the benefit of the down here. But
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: then he sits down with the producer after Brandon gets
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: the rose and he's talking about him being this up
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: here and Brandon being downe here. I'm like, no, you're done,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: like you're out, you know what, Like I don't You're
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: not here anymore. I don't want you here anymore. You
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: are you are falling fast, buddy, you are done. That
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: guy had such an ego on him. There was bad vibes,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: like the it was, it was weird, like and I
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: it's always harder to say because he has a sad backstory,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: but there was something evident even when he was having
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: his good moments on the episode last week, where I
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: just felt like there's something off, there's something like not
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: good here. And then this week's episode, even before he
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: sat down with the producer was like something he's off.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we knew what he did last week,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: so like that was the off thing, but the just
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the ego, just him being saying something like I can
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: see the way that sher she lights up around me,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: or like the way that she's so gravitated towards me,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Like have you ever heard of a contestant speak about
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: the leads gravitational pull to them well and then speak
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: so poorly of the lead to like I'm not gonna
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: judge it, I'm just gonna like laugh. But it's like, no, dude,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: you're just you're you are dismissing who Michelle is a
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: human right now? And like what what do you mean?
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: She's in spring break mode, like she's dating and maybe
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: she's not as into you as you in your head
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: thinks she should be or is. And that's why you're
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: saying it's spring break mode for her, because yes, she
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: doesn't give you all attention. I'm fired up at this
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: point in this episode actually like this is and and
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: at this point before we start breaking down the whole
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: episode and going into like the men confronting him, and
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: what I will say is Jamie's weird way of reconciling
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: it in his own head and not making any sense
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: anybody else bananas is. I'm so fired up at this
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: point because, as you know, there's some things on the
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: show that really get me going. And somebody thinking they
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: are the coolest person out there is one of the
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: things that really gets me fired up, especially when they
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: continue to double down on it. I know, do you
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: want to get to that later? Do you want to
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: finish Jamie talk now? I don't know what do you
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: want to do? Well, we'll finish it now because I'm
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: so fired up. Okay, okay, Well I can't believe that
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: he was like no, no, no, like the Verbon she
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: was trying to use to talk himself, like the room.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, it wasn't individuals, but it was an
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: overall thing. And I was like, oh wait a second, No,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to be an overall thing, it has to start with individuals.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Nothing he was saying was making sense. And then he
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: was like, like for the viewers, And that's a great
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: moment in this episode of viewers. Oh my god, it's
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: a great moment in this episode because as a view
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: you're sitting there going so he's like speaking for me,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: and I'm watching it and I'm like, why are you
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: trying to protect me, buddy? Like there's a thousand things
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: on this show that I never see or understand when
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I watch it back, Like I'm just didn't it for
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: the ride? And you're in your head thinking that you're
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: giving the view Like are you saying you're giving the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: viewers the benefit of the doubt by filling this storyline
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: for them, Because if so, you have really really poorly
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: analyzed what this show is, because when you're in it,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the last thing you should be thinking about at any
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: time is the viewers and how they're going to perceive
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, it was like he was trying to
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: be a producer as well. He also remember like last
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: week he was like, I need to see if Michelle
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: is the kind of woman that will like go do
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: things for the moment with me, Like I need to
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: see if she's a match for me. And it doesn't.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: It's not a one way street here, which I can
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: respect the thought behind that. But now this week it
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: was all about competition for him. You could just tell.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: It was all about beating the other guys and being
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: above the other guys and mentally and believing he is
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: above the other guys, like believing already that he is
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: in an a league of his own, which is just
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: not true. Like and I'm not saying that because Jamie's
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: not great. I don't know him personally. I'm just saying,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: you're on the Bachelorette, Like every person in that room
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: either has a story to tell or they're a human
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: who is trying to date this woman, like they all belong.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: At any point, if any person ever comes into the
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: show or off the show believing they're above anybody else
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: on it, like you're just wrong, Like you're you just
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: are even if you're the lead of the show, it
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: doesn't you're still like there's a there's five or six
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: people every season that could possibly be the lead lead
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: of this show. It doesn't mean that you're any greater.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: And at this point, he's in this conversation with these
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: guys and he's believing that, like he's rolling his eyes,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: like he's so smart, and they just don't get it,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Like he just said, keep saying, you just don't get it,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: you just don't get it. And I'm thinking, Jamie, at
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: what point in your life are you gonna humble yourself
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: to do some introspection and maybe say you were wrong,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: because this whole thing gets fixed. It's a beauty of
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: watching this show back, and it's the beauty of relating
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to life. You can mess up in life. I'm with that,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Like you could have said something like he did and
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: really like throwing the whole thing off course. But as
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: soon as you do some introspection realize you are wrong,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: you just admit it and then like typically people understand
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: because they've been there too. But he, like he just
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: keeps doubling down, like I'm so smart, you don't get it.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to help out. I'm in the right, you're
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: in the wrong. And I bet he got on that
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: bus or whatever they picked him up in, still believing
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: that he was in the right Oh one thousand percent.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Two more things I have to mention. First, he said,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I love the way that Michelle was like, okay, wait
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a second. So you were like hearing things in the
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: house and then all of a sudden you remember this
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: personal story from your friends seeing me out with another guy,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: and it's like, mm okay, so great points to be like,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: actually you were probably pretty focused on this. Actually here
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: is the thing you aren't wrong. I will say this.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: And the close up the Jamie thought too, I've never
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: seen a guy fall so fast like we're what we're
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: doing here is this is all within the moment of
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: like really just an episode, like from going from the
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: top to the bottom so quickly totally. And another thing,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like when she let him go, she was
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: scott to be she had got to be so grossed
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: out by him, you know what I mean? She was like,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I spent this week kissing this guy and now I
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: see his true colors, Like just get out, no hug
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: now nothing. I want to pretend like you never existed. Yeah,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I never had that moment like where you know, like
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: just like I never had that like grossed out moment
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: on my time where like somebody like epically blew up
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I've spent the last two weeks,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: you know, kissing you and and understanding you, and I
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: guess I have that benefit, but you're right, like you
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: have to imagine what she was feeling there. She's like, wait,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I was in you like two hours ago, right, and
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and we all we laugh about it. But it's funny
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: how like quickly somebody can just become unattractive to you, um,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: when you like, especially with the personal I think this
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: is one of those moments where she's like, I was
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: so into this and now all of a sudden, I
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: can't even be in the same moment in the same room. UM.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I was hoping Ashley too that once he was gone.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: It felt like this group of guys, you know, we're
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks in now. Um, for the most part,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: UH kind of understood each other. I thought there was
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: some solid foundational pieces that we're going to keep the
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: group like functioning fairly well together and um bring some
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: joy and laughter to the group. And you know a
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: lot of them stood up for I forget his name
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the guy that she was supposedly dating beforehand. Um. Yeah,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Like there's some guys that stood up for Joe that
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: was just like, hey, you know, I don't think they
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: were dating, and like get off of Joe's back, like
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: you was like, he was like, hey, you're sticking up
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: for each other. This is good. Then we see a
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: preview and I'm like, wait something, So this still blows
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: up like every season always does. Yeah. I was thinking
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: also with the elimination of the pizzrepreneur, I was like, wow,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: did we get the drama completely out of the house already? No,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: of course not, but we can now we we can
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: start from the top of the episode. We'll skip the
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Jamie stuff of course. Um the first the first date,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Oh god, Jared was very envious. So big big Tom
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Cruise guys over here, big top gun fans. Uh. Jared
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: has been counting down honestly the years now. So the
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: movie was going to come out because it was supposed
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to come out last summer, and then they pushed it
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: back to November and it was still I believe um
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: set for November release when they shot this date and
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: then they moved it back to June. My gosh, my years.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: It was supposed to come out November this month, and
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: now they pushed it back to June. So this is
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: a very cool theme date. Love the way that they added,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: like the music, and they had some of the cast
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: um cute cute. Liked it. Um. The only thing that
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: really sucked for them was having to do that motion thing.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: What is that motion like it's like the G four simulator. Yeah,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I mean that sucked, but it was also fun. I
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: mean it's like, you know, it's a it's a cool experience.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I liked this group date. Like you said, I thought
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: it was I actually thought every group date this episode
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: was like kind of went above and beyond anything we've
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: seen the last few seasons when it comes to who
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: they bring in and just the structure of it. This
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: one like it was far and away really great. You know,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: obviously you have the Pizzapreneur and Little Willie Um going
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: at it. Little Willie just crushed him, by the way,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and that he came up with some great nicknames around
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: in the spot. Yeah. But like that little fighting scene,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, Clayton's massive obviously, um and just like destroys dudes.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: But then like little Willie and this guy. I'm like ready,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have my popcorn and I'm ready for this fight,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: and he just destroys this guy. I want to know
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: from you, Ashley, whose side were you on, like at
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: this moment, like are you because obviously little Willie is
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: in trouble because he calls a pizzapreneur narcissistic uh during
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the first group day. Then they go on this day
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: together and they have like this beef with each other.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Um that kind of comes back up and is unsettled
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: because the pizzapreneur feels like little Willie stole his lines
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: during the G four steal. Who side are you on?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I'm on Willie's side, okay, But I also understand that
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: it would be kind of annoying that like Pizzapreneur ends
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: up doing Italian and then he goes and sneaks Spanish,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: like okay, get your own thing. But I also think
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Pizzapreneur is just like an outrageous human vating. Yeah, he's
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: he reminds me of Yosef Joseph. Wow, what a throwback. Yeah,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: he does remind me of Yosef. Yeah. I mean I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: think he's like, I think he was just outraged I'm
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: with you. He was like outrageous and then like I
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: wasn't buying into his stuff at all during really leading
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: up to this, but they obviously had their beef and
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: then the group they are, the cock party happened and
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I'm so thrown off by the dough boy there, like
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: so mad, so not okay to throw that jacket in
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: the pool, like I was just I was upset for well, yes,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: and he starts crying, and I'm like, if Jared had
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: won this Maverick jacket, he would have started crying thrown
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: in the pool. Oh jar. I could see Jared being
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: so angry, like Will got sad and kind of like
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: did his thing and walked away, which was great. Um,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I would see Jared like if I if I, if
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I threw Jared's jacket Maverick jacket in the pool, I
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: would be scared for my life, Like I don't see
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I don't see him go on about this. Well, you've
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: never seen jaredy dramatic on the show at all. He's
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: like so even keeled on TV. But if he had
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: won the Maverick jacket, like, oh god, he this would
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: have been his like pride and joy. I can see
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: that well, um, but yeah, he throws in the pool,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: which was a sign of disrespect. It was also just
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: like it's somebody else's personal stuff and you just don't
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: do that, right, You just don't mistreat somebody else's stuff
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: like that. But then the way he came back to
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the chairs saying he feels great, Like what person willingly
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: hurt somebody else knows that they just hurt somebody else,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: knows that somebody else is upset emotionally about it and
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: hurt about it, and goes, yeah, I feel so good
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: about this, Like that is that is outrageous to me.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know anybody in my life that would hurt
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: even their worst enemies. Like then, I'm talking like just
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: people I know, not even friends as people I know
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: and come back at their you know, couch and be
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: like that felt so good to make that person feel
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: so small. That was so terrible. It was like he
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: was trying to lean into the villain role. Well that
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: failed for him miserably, and I think it will Like
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: villains like him don't become popular from the show. It's
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: it's the semi villain that's not really a villain, but
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: we just like they just talk a lot, or they're
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: like outrageous and they just say a lot of things.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: You know. I'm thinking Karin and like Demi, who end
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: up like people love because they're like they're just funny,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: like they just they they're just they're they're funny humans.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: But villain, like a villain, villain, like a mean villain
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: that doesn't fly. No, So Martin gets the group date.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Shocker to me, Um, dark horse for for real? Um,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I think we would take him more seriously if you
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: didn't have for us to tips though. Isn't that embarrassing? Yeah,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: but he's growing on me. When I saw his picture, Yeah,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: when I saw his picture when he did the breakdown,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I forget what we said about him. I think I
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: probably said night wonner Um, because you're like you know,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: and and even when the show started, I was like,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: how do you take this dude serious? And now I'm like, no,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: this guy is legit, Like yeah, I like him, Yeah
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: he's good. Uh. And it was still a shocker that
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: got the group day rose just because you don't expect
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: him to get that in a group they rose typically
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: means you know, you're gonna be around a little bit longer.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: And I think he might. I think he might get
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: a one on one soon, so I'm excited to see
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: where he goes from here. But yeah, good vibes. He
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: like makes himself look like a tough guy, but like,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I think he's kind of mushy. Yeah,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: speaking of mushy Rodney. Rodney gets the one on one
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: and he's a mushball. He's very sweet. He's the guy
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: that we've known for apples thus far, which Ben, you
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: and I have got to talking about the apple thing.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: How crazy use it that last week he like couldn't
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: taste the difference in a Granny Smith apple versus like
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: a red apple. I love that he's now the apple
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: guy because it's gonna stick with him and he doesn't
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: even know apples, Like he just walked himself into a
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: situation he's not prepared for. Well. They continue with the
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: theme of this on a Truth or Dare date where
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: first he needs to feed her food and she needs
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: to like guess what it is and she does a
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: way better job than Rodney's done. They also like photocopy
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: parts of their body. They what what else they do
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: around naked? Ran around naked, which there's like some weird
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: themes recently between food and nakedness. I feel like when
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: you're stuck in a hotel, you just tell people to
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: get naked and people are gonna watch. It's just it's
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: like it just sells at least, like his front area
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: is not showing. I feel like the butt, you know,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: a but is funny, A man's butt, It is funny. Yeah,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's always funny. It's not. Yeah, it's it's
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: never something that impressive, it's just always funny. The the
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: thing with Rodney is, and Michelle does a great job
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: at it, you know, I almost feel like he set
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: himself up for a failure. So there's this like difference
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: between the Jamie's of the world that viewed themselves is
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the coolest thing out there, and then the Rodney's of
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: the world, who are obviously incredible people. But he doesn't
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: view himself in any type of value or any type
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: of esteem or like he belongs there. And I get
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: that insecurity, but by expressing it so much so often,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I feel like he almost just convincing himself and Michelle
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: that he's just like lucky to be around. And like,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's ever like an attractive quality
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: when you're like always trying to convince somebody that they're
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: just lucky to be there. And the truth is, like,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: he is a sweet guy. Guys like him in the
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: house he is. He's one of those pieces I said,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: and foundationally, we'll keep that house together. I believe he's
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: gonna be great with Michelle through this whole experience, maybe
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: even at the end. I don't believe he will be
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: the one at the end, but I believe he is
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: a great dude. But I just want him to believe
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: that a little bit so we can see his confidence
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: come out and I and it's people like him that
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: we get to see those stories of when their confidence
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: finally blossoms. It happened for me on the show, is
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like you had a little reassurance
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: and you have a couple of week weeks there, and
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're like, wait, I do belong
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: here and I do belong in this world. Yeah. So
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I think this will be the end of that not
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: feeling so great at himself because he was gonna keep
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: going with it. Then it would be like all right, dude,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: come on now and then act like during the dinner proportion,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: we see the two of them connect, and Michelle even
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: at the end says that like Rodney tipped away from
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: just a friend zone to being, you know, somebody she's
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: looking at as a romantic partner, which is awesome to
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: see and I hope he believes that. But you know,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Michelle has promised us even when she was on our podcast,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: that this season was going to have conversations that Um
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: had a lot of depth to him that she believed
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: would be beneficial for all to see and watch Um
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and Rodney and She'll have one of those conversations. Is
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: not the first time this season where these conversations have happened,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: but they both talk about how they have grown up
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: in a predominantly white area, that they have both been
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: called terrible names, that it's been difficult, and they relate
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: on this in this level and then we get to
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: watch them have that conversation back Um and I think
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: there's a lot to learn, a lot to listen to,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: a lot to hear from that Uh, and they're doing it.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's beautiful to me because they're doing this
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: in a way that, like I think it's both showing
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: them a place of empathy and support, but then also helping,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: you know, unlike Jamie's ideas, like all of us understand better,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: like where how they're connecting at a romantic level. And
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be the start of something.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I would believe, Like I said, he's gonna be around
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: a while because they get each other in a lot
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: of ways. I feel like he's gonna be around for
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: a long time. How dare I say, maybe like top four? Yeah? Yeah,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: and uh. She says that he makes her feel safe,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: which is always like that is like key been in
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the midst of these like really important conversations. Rodney has
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: this way of being just watching on TV. I've never
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: been him in person obviously, but like having this way
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: of just bringing this like comfort. Yes, Like he's really
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: easy to watch because he feels himself to be like
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: an underdog, so you think that he'd be nervous. He
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: seems very at ease, very at HEA's almost like confident,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: you would say, is like his he he communicates and
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: and I'm not saying he's wrong because I know those insecurities,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: but like he communicates a thing that's different than how
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: he's portrayed. And I wonder if it's just coming from
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: a place of humility where he's so humble and who
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: he is um that it's almost comes off as confidence
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: because he just is he doesn't have a lot to lose,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Like he just believes he's still lucky to be there,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: and he's willing to sit in any conversation anybody's willing
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: to have, and he's willing to be the foundational piece
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: that tries to keep peace in the house and the
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: guy that just laughs at himself and others and a
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: healthy and fun way. And because of that, like I
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: just I think his maybe insecurity might actually bring a
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: level of confidence on the show because he has nothing
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: to lose. Yeah, he is a good listener, Like he's
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: got those that that thing where you listen before you react.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: It's always yeah, makes a good bachelor, it does. Speaking
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: of I don't understand why Clayton's the Bachelor yet, I'll
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: tell you that I would agree with you. I would
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: agree with you. It doesn't make any sense. I don't
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: find him to be unbelievably charming in anyway. I thought
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: by the time we got to week four, we would
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: be like blown away based on the press and what
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: producers were saying about him, will you just be like,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, make him the bachelor. He has to
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: be the bachelor. He is and likes. He's not captivating
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: to me, it hasn't been there yet, Like there's there's
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: a couple of guys including Rodney Um Joe and Nate
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: and Brandon Um that like you're like, you know these
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: dudes right now when I think of this season or
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: who I think about, So what point does Clayton step up?
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: And it has to happen? You know, it has to
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: happen because there's no way they do what they did
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: with Clayton unless there's this clear thing that happens during
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the season where the audience is going to jump on
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: board with him because they need a big Bachelor season,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: like they need a lead that people are going to
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: jump behind. I know, And I'm like, did they make
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: a gigantic mistake? They can't keep making mistakes, Like they
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: just can't, Like, at some point, you have to stop
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: making mistakes. And and so I do believe he's gonna shine.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Here's the other part about him, it's like we don't
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: like him, like I like him. It's it's I'm not
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I don't dislike him. I don't find nothing. I feel
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: so neutral. Yeah neutral. It's just like, yeah, he's a
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: good contestant on this season. He's he's he's just there
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: and that's fine, and be like, oh, he's probably top
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: ten If I didn't know that, he like becomes the Bachelor. Yeah,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: so I assume he goes farther than top ten. But
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: at this point I'd be like Tom ten. You know,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: it never really makes a big imprint. I have a feeling, Ashley,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: We'll we'll talk about in a couple of weeks. I
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: have a feeling. I don't think anything ever comes to
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: the surface. I think he gets let go and we'd go,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: what like that was it? We've done that so many
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: times watching the show. We're like, wait, that's that's what
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: That's what we're waiting on. And then he does find
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: as the Bachelor. But I think their biggest mistake might
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: be that, like the audience doesn't have that emotional pull
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: towards him, or they're just not completely behind it, because
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I think there's some other guys on the season that
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: the audience will be more in love with, um who
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: get let go? Yeah. Part of me is also thinking,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: like maybe yeah, maybe he doesn't make a huge splash,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: which is why it was easy to make him the
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: bachelor over some other guys that we are going to
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: be more invested in for Michelle, like Nate, like a joke,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: like a Brendon. I don't know. Very weird right now,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: But let's go on to the last group dates where
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: they do a poetry creation. Very creative, it was great,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: it was very cute. Um what's his name is? Chris
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: g super star struck to see Rudy Francisco. I wanted
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: to see their meeting. We didn't see their meeting, but
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: he was like freaking out. And and this is one
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: of those moments where Jamie's like ego really got to
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: him because of course he didn't use the opportunity to
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: tell a personal story. He told like a story of
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: somebody else. I think that was kind of a red
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: flag to her, because she ends up saying later in
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: the episode, she goes, now that I see like red
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: flags building. I'm thinking otherwise, And I think that that
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: may have been one. Yeah, you know, and it could
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: just be that I'm I'm not I'm not on Jamie's
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: level of intelligence, but I didn't understand that story at all.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Like I was so lost. I was trying to watch
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: it and like I hear some age some angel telling
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: you to get it. Was like yeah, and it was like, dude,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: you're missing it. Like and to me, there's so much
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: more creativity intelligence to what these other dudes were doing,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Like you know, they were speaking like incredible things over
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Michelle in a way that was rhythmatic and beautiful. Um,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: it was really cool to watch. I like this date.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a great set up for a date.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I thought it feeled like that Week three group date
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: role where you know, we saw Nick sit down and
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: get like, um, let the guys open up. And we've
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: seen weeks where you know, they maybe they sing a song,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: or they write a song, or they write a piece
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: of poetry or whatever. You got to do a romantic
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: novel um during that time. This was like that filled
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: that role and it was a cool way to do it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I liked it. Um. But yeah, he totally flopped, which
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: you know, really becomes the storyline now for the rest
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: of the episode is Jamie's flop. Brandon gets a group
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: date rose Um that night, which was cool. Brand In
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: is getting the group day Rose two weeks in a row. Now, Wow,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: you're right, that is unheard of. And yet he's still
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: almost like not like somebody when I think of this season, like,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, she's at the very top. I got
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: he would be my top three, But I'm still like
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: the Joe's and the Nates of the world still feel like,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, they're above Brandon. Am I wrong in
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: that feeling? I don't know what it is about Brandon
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: that she's vibing with, particularly. I mean, I mean, he
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: seems like a really nice guy and everything, but in
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the conversations I feel like they're a little light. Am
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I being you? Tryd of get what I'm saying. Like
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: last week he was totally just Mr Swab and he
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: got the Rose I think because he was just, you know,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: um like kind of sleeping her off her feet. This
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: week he was definitely more vulnerable. But like there this
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: might be like an attraction thing, like he's sweet and
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: she's attracted to him. She said she felt like she
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: was like flying. Oh. She said she felt like she
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: went down the hill of a roller coaster, which is like, whoa,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: that's a that's a comparison. That's pretty powerful. But like,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: I still want to see more of them. Definitely somebody
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I need to see her on a one on one
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: way fair enough. I also want to see more of Romeo.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Romeo is me too because I think he's very he's attractive,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: and he is very smart. But also does he have
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: an ego thing? Maybe maybe we just don't know about
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: it yet, But like every time he's on camera, you're like,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: oh no, he makes sense, he's logical, he's smart, he's
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: he's great, and we just don't see anything about him.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: There's like still guys and we say this every year,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: there's still guys that I was looking at during the
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: road ceremony. That's like, I have no clue who you are.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I have not. But but we were intrigued by Romeo
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: because we think he might be a full package and
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: but we're not getting to know him. I can only
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I can only think that we're not going to get
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of him. Yeah, but he's always on the
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: cuff of going cuss up, going home. So yeah, um,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: well so we see then Brandon get the group day
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: rows second week in a row. He's safe, and we
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: go into the rose ceremony. Um, it is the cocktail
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: parties once again canceled. Michelle has done this two weeks
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: in a row. Fair enough, I get it. She's probably
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: just like I'm over it. I don't this. These cocktail
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: parties don't do much for many anyways. Um and Jamie.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: As we've talked about at the beginning of this kind
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: of blew up. She sends Jamie home and then Ashley
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: who else went home this week during the ROAs ceremony. Well,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: we know pizzneur. His name is Peter, by the way,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I just like to call him. Then we have Um,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Spencer friends Er who again don't know him, mo Leak
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: don't know him, and Brett I don't know him. Yeah.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: So I mean I would say out of all of those, right,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Peter was a storyline and Spencer had his moments, Um,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: but for the most part, not a shot. No shocking
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: exit here. I mean maybe Jamie getting sent home was
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: shocking to some, but definitely we all saw it coming
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks. I'm just glad that
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Michelle did it. When she did it, Um, I thought
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: that was a good move on her part to say, hey,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: you know what, I'm done with this, get out of here.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I did too, but then I was like, I don't
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: get to hate watch him anymore. Yeah, but that's probably
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: good for my soul. Um. Yeah, it's good for me
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: as a human, and it's probably good for the podcast
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: because then we don't get to complain. And really, at
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: this point, actually there's nobody left, uh that I'm like
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: not neutral on or really high one at this point.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Like at this point I'm watching this going I like
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: these guys or I'm just neutral on them, but there's
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: nobody I'm like, oh, yeah, you are you are the worst.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: You gotta get out of here. Well. We see a
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: sneak peek, though, and it sounds like things change. Michelle
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: says she's getting closer to finding her person, but we
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: see some draw that happened um with Chris in the house.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: He kind of calls out the guys in front of everybody. Um,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I was watching a preview, actually, you said a couple
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: of weeks ago. I do feel like I'm gonna get
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: tired of seeing the same lobby of the hotel every
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: week for these Rose ceremonies. Okay, wait confused. I thought
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: they filmed this season in Minnesota. Same, it's not in Minnesota.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I thought the same thing. I remember the spoilers were like, oh,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: they're getting the Minnesota hotel ready. I do believe they
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: eventually go there, but it looks like the first half
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: at least is here in pomp Springs. No clue that happened.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: No clue, but the Rose ceremonies aren't extremely like aesthetically pleasing.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: They're sitting in like a hotel lobby couch kind of
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: hanging out. There's like a stairwell behind them. Um, you
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: see the elevator the first time, where I'm like the
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: bats who doesn't look a whimsical. Now I'm excited for
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: the mansion to get used again during Clayton's season, which
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: kind of Oh it does get used, okay, the yeah,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: that's right, that's good. I feel like they could have
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: done it this year, but who knows, who knows the rules?
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: But drama preview what we do see dramas start happening
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: for the next couple of weeks. What's the weird thing
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: about the preview Rick Like, she's looks like a one
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: on one day with Rick, and she's like making out
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: with him like she wants to, And I just do
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: not vibe that at this point. So I'm interested in
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: how it gets, how they get to that point. Yeah,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: there's still a lot to happen here. We're just a
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks into Michelle's season of the Bachelorette. Um.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: So far, it's been entertaining. She's been a great lead. Um.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: She is inquisitive, she's curious, she's a lead, she's leading
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: the charge. I think she was a good choice. It's there.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: It's very clear on why they chose her and uh,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: and how great she's doing. I want her to end
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: up happy. Uh and um, but it's she uh to me,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Michelle will go down and at this point, like as
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: one of those iconic bachelorettes that we think of when
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: we think of the Bachelorette, she just she kind of
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: x it and she's good at it and she doesn't
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: she doesn't take crap from nobody. She teaches these guys
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: a lesson. And I hope there's a guy that steps
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: up to the plate, and I think there will be.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: But um, Ashley, let's take a break. We'll be back
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: next week. I might be here. If not, I I'm
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: asking for your deepest uh apologies, um, because I am
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: going to be on my way to finding my or
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: finishing or starting what however you want to say. It
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: my love story. I'm gonna be on my way to
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: be getting married and I'm super pumped for that. But
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: let's take a break here. We still bachelor headlines to
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: go through. We'll be back with almost Finis podcast. It's
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: time for Bachelor Headlines with our resident expert Ashley I.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Kennedy breaking down everything going on a Bachelor Nation. It's
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: it's a slower week and headlines. Not a lot of
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: drama happening. Um. Obviously we have some headlines about Thomas
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Jacobs and beck Is still being together and happy and
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: joking with each other. That's always cute, um bachelor lum. Though,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Gillian Anderson recalls feeling intense humiliation at the hands of
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: producers this according to US Weekly, I'm actually kind of
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: surprised by this. So she said that on Bachelor in Paradise,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: like a producer said, like, your your butt is kind
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: of big, but like not in like an not in
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: an offensive way, but like, you know, it's a nice, round,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: juicy butt type thing. So I mean, you know, that
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: could be inappropriate or not. It's up to you to decide.
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  Speaker 1: But um, they said that because of that, things get
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: a little cheeky, so we had to blur it out.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Disney made us. She says that she doesn't believe this.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: She said, instead of doing a little blur they did
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: a giant black bar really over exaggerated it. At the time,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Jillian really leaned into like the black box because she
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: was like the first black box, and now they do
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: black boxes all the time. Um. And she said that
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: like at that point, she she was like experiencing like
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: a huge level of humiliation that she thought, like she
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: thought she could be prepared for, but she really wasn't.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: She says, I don't think any contestant understands before going
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: on how bad it's actually gonna be. She should you
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: remember crying over it and her dad being upset over it. Um.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: And she said, at some point afterward, I was able
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: to laugh about it when things started changing. By at
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: that point, like initially I was totally humiliated. I was
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: so new into it, and I was so overwhelmed by
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: the making of posts and the talk and Jimmy Kimmel
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: and the soup and everybody's making fun of it. Um.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: You know, she goes, my butt was nice. Um. And
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: it wasn't a scandalous bikini by any means. It was
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: a normal one. I get it. I understand how she'd
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: be upset, especially because she worked so hard for that.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: But it off you guys show it off well. Um,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: interesting headline. And obviously she's on the nineteenth season of
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: the Batchelor. So it's been a few years. Um. But
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: the next timeline is this It's about Bachelor live on stage,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: which I know a lot about. It's back, Um. The
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: tour will start in hosted by Becca Kouffrin. Yes, so
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I told about Bana Koufren, who was your co host
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: on the road. So now begs the question, where are
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: you on this tour? I got fired? No, Um, No,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: I did not get fired. They did, ask Um. Obviously
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: the tour was super fun. Uh, and I really love
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: doing it with Becca. But I'm getting married, Um, as
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: we've talked about, and as you've heard me say probably
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: ten times on this podcast. UM, I'm also I'm going
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: on my dream trip, my bucket list trip with Jessica
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: and my parents to Israel in March of next year. Um.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: We're gonna be there for over ten days, and it's
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: just we've all planned it it's been in the works
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: for months, and I it actually is. The trip starts
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: UH during the first week of tour, so as they're
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: doing like prep for tour, and then goes through like
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: the first full week of the tour into the next
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: and I would probably have to come back pack my bags,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: jump right back out and go on a bus. And
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: I was willing to do that, and we all decided
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: that it probably it was not the best idea for
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: me UM and the tour to kind of have me
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: trying to step in and learn it as I hosted it.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: And so as a result, I plan on stopping in
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: UM at a random places and probably um jumping out
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: on stage and trying to support Becca. But this is
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Becca's show now, UM, and she's gonna be hitting the road,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: and I'm excited for She's gonna do great UM, but
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: I do feel like it could be a little lonely,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: like when you step out on stage in a random
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: city that you know three people show up too. In
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: a five I was in person auditorium and you're like,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I can't laugh at this with anybody, or I can't
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: even like get pumped with this with anybody. Like she's
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: gonna be like, it's gonna be really hard to host
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: that live show solo. Yeah, I think it won't be easy,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: but I mean I think she can do. I think
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: she'll do I know she'll she can do it. I
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: s'll do great at it. Um. But there is that
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: level of like camaraderie when you're out on stage with
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: somebody else where you're like, hey, maybe tonight we have
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: ten thousand people in the audience and it's packed sold out,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: and then tomorrow we're gonna show up to a town
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: and nobody's gonna come because the small town, it's on
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: a weird night. Those are when it's gonna get hard, um,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: because I just think you get down and you have
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: to keep your energy up every night. Now solo one
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: can't pick up the other. So she's hitting the road
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: and you should check them out the tour start. It's
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: worth going to see. It's fun, it's uh, it's entertaining,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: it's it's funny to laugh at. Obviously, the show will
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: look different than the one I was a part of.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know the format of this show. They're changing
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: things up a bit where I don't think it's gonna
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: be a local Bachelor with local bachelorettes. I think it's
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: gonna be like a contestants more operating on stage. I
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: don't know fully what that looks like. But if you are,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: if you enjoy Bachelor Nation and you want to have
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: a night out with some friends, this is a place
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: to go hang out and watch. Um they're hitting the
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: road again, I won't be there. So so Ben was
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: it wasn't just the trip. It was also the fact that,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: like you just wanted to enjoy married life at home. Yes, yeah,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: I mean think about it, like two months after getting married,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: I'm now gone and with covid um spouses are gonna
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: be able to go on the bus bus Yeah. So
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I mean for then, like I don't know, forty days straight,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: i'd be away hitting the road and doing this like
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: it just to me. I wanted to enjoy these few
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: months with Jess as a married couple, and like I said,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: I want to show up. Maybe I will, Um, I
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: don't know yet, but it is a big deal in
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: my life. This is a huge part of my life.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: It was. It was a big source of income and
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: then also just like fun to meet all all the
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: random people. Um. So it is sad and I am
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: sad about I saw the announcement, I was like, dang,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: you know, um, but you know, life moves on. I've
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: got coffee to sell, I've got I've got a lot
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: of coffee to hustle here. That makes sense. I wonder
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: why they didn't pick another co host, Rebecca. I wonder
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: why too. Maybe they will. We'll see how it starts. Um,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: but she's gonna do great. I do want to say that. Well, uh,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: here's the thing um. Final headline Batchettes. Katie Thurston tears
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: up while venting about Blake Moyne's break up Disaccording to
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: e So, she got on Instagram live and she captioned
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: it just venting. She says, obviously a public relationship ending
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: is really sty It's a thing to navigate. But you
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: guys have been kind and supportive and I just want
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: to say thank you for being that way to me
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: into Blake and just being understanding. She said that she
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: felt like people hold too much way to things that
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: don't matter and stress the importance of pursuing happiness. She
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: said that sometimes a couple stay in relationships because they
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: put so much time, have an effort into them, um,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: and they just keep waiting for new results, hoping things
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: will change once they get married or have kids. She said,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: while the split was difficult and the public scrutiny doesn't help,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: it's a tough thing to navigate because of course people
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: question the authenticity of the love in the relationship. And
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: she said for those people passing judgment, like I can
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: only hope to be so lucky as you to find
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: you're forever love on the first time. You know, But
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: ending a relationship isn't something new, UM, Ending an engagement
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: isn't something new. Divorce is not something new. And I
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: think Blake and I were very fortunate enough to recognize
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: things early and they made the right decision for them.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: She says, it doesn't come with its own challenges. We're
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: still processing a lot lots of waves of emotion. Well, Uh,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: breakups are tough, especially in the public eye, worse than
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: the best two of them as they move forward. We
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: mean it, It sucks, and there is criticism, there's judgment.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: There's words in around UM. And if you want more
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: inside of that, just feel free to pick up my
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: book Alone in Plain Sight, anywhere you can buy a book. Hey, Ashley,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: what a great episode. UM. I hope to be back
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: next week. If I'm not, uh, hold down the fort
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: for us until I get back. And if you are,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I will come with more wedding questions perfect unlike your predictions.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I like that, so we can play them
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: back and they'll be silly. I like the backless uh
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: no shoulder dress idea. Um, you're the best. Dash Well, Hey,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: thank you all for listening. Uh in with that, I've
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: been been, I've been Ashley, thanks for listening, guys by
• 59:43
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• 59:46
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