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The Women of Urban Legends: Part 1 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane
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Speaker 1: Never told you production of I Heart Radio. Okay, Annie,
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Speaker 1: it is a season we are hitting towards the end
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Speaker 1: of September today recording at the end of September. It's
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Speaker 1: gonna be released in October. And we've been planning this
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Speaker 1: episode for a minute anticipation for the spooky seasons, because
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Speaker 1: we love the spooky season. And yeah, I need to
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Speaker 1: know what is the most recent Halloween movie or scary
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Speaker 1: movie you watched? So I've already started my my repertoire.
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Speaker 1: I have a big Halloween catalog that I have to
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Speaker 1: work through. So last night I did I feel like
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Speaker 1: we've talked about this all the time. It sounds like
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Speaker 1: we watched it NonStop. But I watched The Conjuring and
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Speaker 1: the Counturing too, I did recently before that, I watched
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Speaker 1: Host the Zoom based one and then Fairene Activity one
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Speaker 1: and too Uh, and I watched The New Candy Man.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like I'm always embarrassed because those
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Speaker 1: are like ones I've talked about before, and I'm always
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Speaker 1: trying to think of, like, what's a new one I
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Speaker 1: could turn people onto. I haven't gotten to that point
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Speaker 1: yet because I am trying to save, like I'm ready
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Speaker 1: for October. I'm like going through some of the ones.
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Speaker 1: I've seen a lot already so I can just like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I've done it, but I haven't watched I don't think
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Speaker 1: i've watched anything new recently. What about you. I've been
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Speaker 1: revisiting the classics. Yeah, I did watch Malignant. We talked
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Speaker 1: about that, man, we talked about that. We won't give
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Speaker 1: any spoilers on any of those. I watched The Ruins
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Speaker 1: for the first time. That was a new one for me,
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Speaker 1: and then I just rewatched Halloween because I was like,
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Speaker 1: Halloween coming the original? Do you know Jamie Lee curt
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Speaker 1: Is one of her first movies. Watched that, Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: I was like, huh, you know and carry You have
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Speaker 1: those girls, the same type of girls in each of
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Speaker 1: these movies, and I really forget how they sound very
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Speaker 1: similar to one another. I had that moment of like,
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Speaker 1: like the giggling and the high pitched voices, which is
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Speaker 1: not a bad thing, but it's just interesting how they
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Speaker 1: played on this really hard in all those movies, in
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Speaker 1: those eras, so I thought that was interesting. I have
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Speaker 1: gotten a copy of the Silent Hill brother. I have
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Speaker 1: gotten copy of Silent Hill, so I am getting revved
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Speaker 1: up to go to that. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm already
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Speaker 1: like it's gonna be interesting. So yes, I'm getting ready
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Speaker 1: for that because I've been trying to go through all
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Speaker 1: of them. So I'm very picky and that I don't
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Speaker 1: want it to be too gruesome. I'm not huge, like
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Speaker 1: murder of movies doesn't bother me necessarily, like the slasher films,
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Speaker 1: but it would just over the top, like just being
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Speaker 1: gross and torture films. I don't love that, so that
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Speaker 1: is something I don't do. But because we love the
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Speaker 1: horror season, we're going to jump right into it with
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Speaker 1: some delightful stories of ghosts, goblins, which is God's folklore,
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Speaker 1: and some good haunts from around the world. Yes, and
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Speaker 1: this was your idea, and I think you had it
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Speaker 1: in like August. I was really ready for the season.
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Speaker 1: She was very excited about it, like eight August. So
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Speaker 1: this is a long time coming, and it was a
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Speaker 1: really fun one. It was a fun one to research.
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Speaker 1: There are, like I guess content warning more than trigger warning.
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Speaker 1: There are some dark and gruesome themes in here, but
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Speaker 1: we're not gonna get. I mean, it's urban legends essentially
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Speaker 1: what we're talking about, not the movie though, which I
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Speaker 1: still haven't seen. UM. And I will say coming through
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Speaker 1: these because we have like a big list we were
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Speaker 1: working off of, and I kind of bread over summaries
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Speaker 1: of every one of them. And there were some common
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Speaker 1: themes like immediately that popped out to me, like women
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Speaker 1: who can shape shift into animals that was a big one.
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Speaker 1: Are are who are in some way part animal, can
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Speaker 1: control the weather and often water. Lots of themes around
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Speaker 1: child birth, child death, motherhood, and sexuality that probably surprises nobody. UM.
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Speaker 1: Lots of playing on societal fears, which we've talked about.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of a big thing in horror anyway. UM.
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Speaker 1: A lot of morality tales stories to keep the use
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Speaker 1: in line, like don't do something bad at school, kids,
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Speaker 1: or this ghost will come get you. Things that have
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Speaker 1: perfect grades apparently is one of the things, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: which is interesting And and if you if this is
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Speaker 1: like really your jam, you can check out past episodes
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Speaker 1: we've done on female monsters. We've done Banshees and Suck
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Speaker 1: You by. UM. I think even the Revenge Women Revenge
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Speaker 1: episodes could kind of fit in if you're like really
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Speaker 1: into it, and why women like monsters? Of yes, why
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Speaker 1: women like monsters. I think we've even done one past
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Speaker 1: hosted one on like vampires specifically serial killers. We've done
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Speaker 1: Women Show Killers and Women who Love serial Killers and
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Speaker 1: then Black Widow serial Killers. But all of that being said,
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Speaker 1: just like with a lot of those episodes, we tried
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Speaker 1: to hunt down the best sources. But these are urban legends,
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Speaker 1: Like a lot of it depends on you know, oral
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Speaker 1: retellings are just things like you can't quite confirm because
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Speaker 1: it's just the story that people pass around. A lot
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Speaker 1: of it is hearsay um, and that's where some of
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Speaker 1: the fun of it is. But just caveat on there
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Speaker 1: um And I think, like, well, probably most of the
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Speaker 1: time it's very clear. But for pretty much a majority
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Speaker 1: of the urban legends that like story that you tell,
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Speaker 1: there's no proof of us, Like, it's just the story
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Speaker 1: people tell over and over again until you're convinced that
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Speaker 1: it did happen. But as a reminder, and each culture
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Speaker 1: is different and there's typically more than one variations of
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Speaker 1: these guys, we just chose like specific areas to talk
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Speaker 1: about that type or that specific folklore. So yeah, and
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Speaker 1: I think one of the more famous we will talk
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Speaker 1: about it's a little bit about Bloody Mary. Essentially, there's
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Speaker 1: a different forms of that all over the world, so
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Speaker 1: just that as a reminder. So what you heard is
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Speaker 1: obviously going to be different from what they heard, the
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Speaker 1: type of thing, and yeah, most of them are not
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Speaker 1: necessarily based on any truth, just kind of again, some
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Speaker 1: kind of cautionary tale. So the information we get take
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Speaker 1: it with a grain of salt. But it was fun. Nonetheless,
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Speaker 1: it was yes, because there's so many good stories and
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Speaker 1: legends around the world. This will be a two parter,
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Speaker 1: so any and I decided to go through this massive
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Speaker 1: and I'm saying, like a massive list of different types
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Speaker 1: of ghosts or haunts or folklore. Um, and we took
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Speaker 1: and picked out some of our favorites to talk about.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, here's some of our favorites. Let's let's start.
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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna start this one just because I was like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I've seen this, which is the Korean virgin ghost. Y'all. Man,
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Speaker 1: I think it's only fitting that we start with the
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Speaker 1: cautionary tale because this is about the poor young virgin.
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Speaker 1: And yes, pretty much we're talking about the girls, although
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Speaker 1: there is a version of the male virgin and what
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Speaker 1: they have to do for them, But I don't see
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Speaker 1: them haunting people from what I get. I know there
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Speaker 1: has been some cultures that talk about the fact that
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Speaker 1: they will curse the family, so like it's not about
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Speaker 1: necessarily the part the ghost or the coming back of
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Speaker 1: but that in curses the entire family. YadA, YadA, YadA,
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Speaker 1: that's whole YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA whatever. And yes, these
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Speaker 1: are the young women who died with no purpose nor
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Speaker 1: any meaning because they died tragedy of tragedies as single virgins.
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Speaker 1: Oh no. Um. So, according to old folklore and legends
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Speaker 1: within the Korean culture, the many ghosts that exist in
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Speaker 1: these areas are typically made up of young, unfulfilled women
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Speaker 1: because they were not able to fulfill their responsibilities as
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Speaker 1: a mother or a wife and so have resentment that
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Speaker 1: makes them unable to move on into the peaceful afterlife.
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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so it's very very important to be married apparently,
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Speaker 1: and again this is very old legend, more so than
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Speaker 1: currently we know. Things have changed, but this still exists
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Speaker 1: in that they think, and I believe they're called guscians,
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Speaker 1: which are the ghosts in Korean, So just so you know,
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Speaker 1: and if I mispronounced that, I'm trying, y'all. I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to be real Korean. It's hard. And if they appear
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Speaker 1: to you, they are often seen in white handbocks, which
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Speaker 1: is Korean traditional apparel called sobuck, which is specific to
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Speaker 1: morning attire. And of course their hair is down because
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Speaker 1: they have to untie their hair as a sign that
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Speaker 1: they were indeed never married, so the married women would
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Speaker 1: have their hair tied up right. And sometimes when they appear,
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Speaker 1: they may be shedding tears of blood or covered in blood,
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Speaker 1: so I don't know, I think that might be for
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Speaker 1: the extra spa because none of these tales talk about
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Speaker 1: them dying tragically as in like murdered or anything, just
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Speaker 1: dying without purpose essentially. And often times when these ghosts appear,
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Speaker 1: they may attach themselves onto young girls, which made those
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Speaker 1: girls become resentful and unable to get married as well,
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Speaker 1: in which turns into more sad ghosts, right, because that's
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Speaker 1: how it goes. And of course, how does one keep
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Speaker 1: from being haunted by a bitter, unfulfilled virgin ghosts? Well,
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Speaker 1: according to the Wikipedia part of how to stop this ghost.
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Speaker 1: All tra dishes may include taking quote dolls emphasizing the
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Speaker 1: male genitalia which were made of straw and put it
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Speaker 1: in the coffin, or dolls dressed in men's clothing and
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Speaker 1: then bury upside down, so you turned them so that
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Speaker 1: they really can't come out. Uh. Then thorns were placed
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Speaker 1: around the coffin and buried. The reason for putting a
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Speaker 1: male doll emphasizing the genitals in a coffin or wearing
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Speaker 1: men's clothes is to comfort them for making contact with
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Speaker 1: men even after they die, and burying the coffin's upside
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Speaker 1: down is to block the virgin ghost from coming out. Thoroughly,
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Speaker 1: this is thoroughly at the end. I don't know why
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Speaker 1: this is the quote from that um so they have
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Speaker 1: a big plans on how you do this. And of
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Speaker 1: course yes, this is also one of those cautionary tales.
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Speaker 1: This is what happens to unlucky women who can't give
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Speaker 1: the husbands. And you don't want to become this girl,
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Speaker 1: so you need to go find your man so you
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Speaker 1: love your life will be fulfilled. Of course, I don't
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Speaker 1: think anyone cleans to that. And apparently there's towns and
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Speaker 1: areas where they have ghost festivals are interesting in Korea
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Speaker 1: and you can visit these areas as well. And some
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Speaker 1: of these like rituals, I think they do in order
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Speaker 1: to keep the ghosts from coming to them or at them.
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Speaker 1: So there you go, there you go. That's interesting. I
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Speaker 1: mean again, yeah, that those are fears we've talked about of,
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Speaker 1: like you know, the single lady ending up alone, the spinster,
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Speaker 1: how dreadful, how sad. Yeah, and I also find it
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Speaker 1: interesting like the male doll, the male genitalia, like very
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Speaker 1: heteronormative urban legends. Oh. Absolutely, again you're also supposed to
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Speaker 1: have children. Uh, yes, it was a great fear. Yes,
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Speaker 1: all right. Let's talk about the legend of Madame koit Koi,
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Speaker 1: the story of the ghost who haunts boarding schools that
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Speaker 1: is popular in Nigeria, South Africa and Ghana that originated
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Speaker 1: in the nineties. Okay, so there are yes, Like you said, Samantha,
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Speaker 1: there are a few stories about Madame koit Koi. One
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Speaker 1: of the most popular ones goes that Madame koit koy
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Speaker 1: was a beautiful teacher at a secondary boarding school often
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Speaker 1: told as an all girls boarding school, specifically, her shoes
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Speaker 1: of choice were these red heels that would make a
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Speaker 1: sound like ki as she walked. Madame koit Koy was
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Speaker 1: a cruel teacher, often abusing students for no reason. As
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Speaker 1: the story goes, the students despised her. Eventually, she was
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Speaker 1: fired after she slapped a female student in damaged her ear.
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Speaker 1: After this, Madam coy Coy left in a fury and
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Speaker 1: on her way home, died in an accident, but not
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Speaker 1: before she promised to get revenge on her ex students.
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Speaker 1: It didn't take long at all before students reported hearing
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Speaker 1: the coy of her heels roaming the halls and toilets
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Speaker 1: at night, and another version of the tale her her
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Speaker 1: own students bound and gagged her as she was leaving
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Speaker 1: one day and beat her to death. The students involved
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Speaker 1: were picked off one by one until only one remained,
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Speaker 1: who swore he could hear the clicking of her heels.
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Speaker 1: No one believed him, and he was found dead soon after.
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Speaker 1: The school closed and the other students transferred, spreading the
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Speaker 1: legend with them. And yes, it probably goes without saying,
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Speaker 1: but again this has never been verified with truth and
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Speaker 1: almost certainly is firmly an urban legend, and nothing more,
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Speaker 1: but still the urban legend Persists is very popular. Another version,
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Speaker 1: students decided to play a prank on Madam koit Koy
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Speaker 1: and locked her in a cupboard, one red heel falling
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Speaker 1: off as she was dragged into this cupboard, where she
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Speaker 1: was forgotten about and died. She was pregnant at the time,
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Speaker 1: and as she thought of her child dying, she swore
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Speaker 1: to get revenge on all the students who locked her
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Speaker 1: in the cupboard. They would know what it was like
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Speaker 1: to be locked in the dark, dying and screaming with
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Speaker 1: no one to hear you. In this version, you only
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Speaker 1: hear the clicking of one high heel. When you hear her.
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Speaker 1: You're supposed to close your eyes until the sound passes,
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Speaker 1: or you will end up in the cupboard next to her,
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Speaker 1: locked in clawing at the door with no one to
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Speaker 1: hear you. Many similar stories do exist, sometimes with different
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Speaker 1: names Madam Oke and Ghana, Miss Cone Coco in Tanzania,
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Speaker 1: Pinky Pinky and South Africa, but all they all kind
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Speaker 1: of involve a vengeful teacher that serves to keep students
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Speaker 1: in mind from going out past curfew again. These kind
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Speaker 1: of like morality tales and Ghana One story goes that
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Speaker 1: she was a teacher at a school with some troublesome students.
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Speaker 1: One day, she took off one of her heels while
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Speaker 1: running after a student, waving them in the air. She
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Speaker 1: chased him across the street. She didn't see the car coming,
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Speaker 1: and it rammed into her, killing her instantly, sending the
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Speaker 1: red heel flying. The ghost takes the form of a
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Speaker 1: single red shoe, screaming where is my shoe? To what
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Speaker 1: you're supposed to respond, Madam hoide and she'll leave you alone.
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Speaker 1: These are the kind of things I would do, even
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Speaker 1: if I didn't really believe it, I would still do
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Speaker 1: it because I don't want to take the risk exactly.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we take these cautionary tales and we're like, okay,
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Speaker 1: so what is the solution. Is there a solution? Okay,
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Speaker 1: now we know I want to fight you exactly, made
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Speaker 1: to be prepared. And meanwhile, South Africa's version Pinky Pinky
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Speaker 1: targets girls specifically, and specifically on top of that, girls
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Speaker 1: wearing pink underwears threatening to rape them. The creature, often impartment,
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Speaker 1: part woman, part animal, is invisible to boys. Only girls
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Speaker 1: can see her. People have actually looked into the origins
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Speaker 1: of this one and why impacts only girls, and they
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Speaker 1: suspect us to do with the disappearance of girls in
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Speaker 1: the area and the dangerous girl's face, and or that
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Speaker 1: the myths was created to keep girls inside and off
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Speaker 1: the streets. So yeah, that's madam koit koy um. If
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Speaker 1: any listeners, no any versions of any of these stories
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Speaker 1: we're talking about, please right in. Yes, I would love
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Speaker 1: But okay, so now since we've heard man, we've got
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Speaker 1: through different countries already. I love it, and we're gonna
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Speaker 1: cop over to the wonderful Highlands and we're looking at
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Speaker 1: the legend of a very vampire succubus. I'm like, there
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Speaker 1: are so many things in this and what a wonderful combo.
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Speaker 1: And to be honest, after reading some of these, I'm like,
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Speaker 1: if I were to be a scary like legend or folklore,
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Speaker 1: but I turned into one of these miraculously, this is
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Speaker 1: the one that I choose. It is pretty fantastic. I'm like, okay, okay,
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Speaker 1: I can do this, So let's get into this terrifyingly
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Speaker 1: wonderful creature. The bobb and Sea or the fairy woman
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Speaker 1: in Scottish Gaelic also known as the Bob and she
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Speaker 1: or the white woman of the Highlands I guess. So
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Speaker 1: according to some is that she is the woman in
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Speaker 1: white for this and by the way, we're gonna talk
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Speaker 1: a little more about other women in white in other cultures.
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Speaker 1: But also she is seen in green and sometimes in
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Speaker 1: these tales, so it kind of goes different variations apparently.
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Speaker 1: But this is a type of white woman who kind
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Speaker 1: of you know, praise on men essentially, but for these
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Speaker 1: beautiful creatures. They are described, yes, as beautiful enchantresses that
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Speaker 1: typically prey on hunters who either stray from the path
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Speaker 1: after dark or make the unfortunate wish of a female
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Speaker 1: companionship in the woods after dark. Yeah, huge mistake, dude,
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Speaker 1: don't do this. And due to the blood often on
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Speaker 1: the hunters after a kill, that attracts these specific fairy
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Speaker 1: shubas vampires so many things. But unlike vampires, uh, though
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Speaker 1: they do feed off the blood of the individual, they
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Speaker 1: don't bite into them. They actually have sharp talents that
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Speaker 1: come out that they rip into them essentially and drink
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Speaker 1: and feed from them in that way. And you will
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Speaker 1: often not see this until they are too close to you. Um.
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Speaker 1: Apparently in some of the legends. They also have horse
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Speaker 1: hoofs or like some type of hoofs as feet, but
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Speaker 1: as often covered up by the dress, so you never
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Speaker 1: see it until it's too late obviously. And they according
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Speaker 1: to some other legends, they do feed off some women,
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Speaker 1: but it's very very rare. And when they do this
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Speaker 1: to the women, it actually turns the women into yes,
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Speaker 1: bob and see, so they create more if having a women. Um.
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Speaker 1: And of course they don't just attack, oh no, they
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Speaker 1: are true to interesses. And they entice the men by
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Speaker 1: how getting them to dance with them and putting them
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Speaker 1: under a sort of trance. So they have a power.
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Speaker 1: Like they're very good influencing men and enticing and seducing men.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, like I said, they have a lot of powers,
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Speaker 1: including as you talked about, shape shifting. Yes, they can
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Speaker 1: turn into different shapes and more often than not likely
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Speaker 1: to shift into wolves, which is even better. I'm like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: there we are, um. And although according to legend, it
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Speaker 1: does awaken them to be in this type of form
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Speaker 1: because they would rather be fairies. Apparently you can do
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Speaker 1: trances and all of that wobbing a fairy only, but
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Speaker 1: it helps them to get away an attack and change
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Speaker 1: shapes obviously. And yet and according to some of the legends,
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Speaker 1: they like to travel impacts. They sleep underground, uh in
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Speaker 1: a coffin during the day, and some of them don't
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Speaker 1: even come out except for once a year and can
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Speaker 1: only be found in the woods. And the way to
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Speaker 1: repel them. Apparently they don't like iron, and I've learned
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Speaker 1: this from supernatural people. Apparently supernatural creatures don't like either
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Speaker 1: iron or silver. I need to find both of those. Salt.
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Speaker 1: Salt is the thing, but I haven't seen that mentioned
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Speaker 1: in any of these yet. Sorry, sorry, supernatural It's true,
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Speaker 1: it's true. So there. Yeah, I found these creatures really
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Speaker 1: fascinating and the artwork form are really beautiful. It's kind
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Speaker 1: of one of those like, yeah, there it is. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: so this is the very succubus vampire for y'all to
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Speaker 1: know if you go ever into Scotland hunting alone. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: for sure. I love it. I love it. I'm glad
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Speaker 1: to know that you have a preferred fairy tale monster
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Speaker 1: you'd like to turn into. I mean, like, I feel like,
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Speaker 1: if I had to choose one, that would be the one.
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Speaker 1: I think. It's pretty good. It's pretty solid. Now, let's
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Speaker 1: hop over to another part of world and discuss law
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Speaker 1: your Rhona, the weeping woman that often haunts rivers at night,
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Speaker 1: who has scared generations and has featured in books, TV shows,
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Speaker 1: and multiple movies. Um and yes, this is also a
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Speaker 1: kind of another take on the Woman in White, which
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Speaker 1: we have. Yeah, like you said, quite a few in here.
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Speaker 1: The story of law Eurona originated hundreds of years ago
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Speaker 1: somewhere in Latin America or Mexico, where that story is
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Speaker 1: still popularly told. Just as everything else we've discussed, there
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Speaker 1: are a lot of versions of this legend. At its
20:31
Speaker 1: cord involves a mother who killed or are lost I
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Speaker 1: guess her children, but usually killed usually by drowning, and
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Speaker 1: after that was filled with heartbreak and regret over it,
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Speaker 1: drowning herself in grief literally not like just crying, but
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Speaker 1: like actually drowning herself or sometimes simply dying of grief.
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Speaker 1: The reason she did this varies. Killed her children from
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Speaker 1: catching her rich husband cheating and killing their children in
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Speaker 1: a fit of ridge, discovering her children are illegitimate and
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Speaker 1: killing them to prevent the wife from taking them away,
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Speaker 1: or even killing them as a way to be with
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Speaker 1: a man she loves, but he rejects her, so she
21:09
Speaker 1: takes her own life. After that, because of what she did,
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Speaker 1: she has trapped in purgatory until she finds her children.
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Speaker 1: A lot of the stories say she goes to the
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Speaker 1: gates of heaven and they're like, can't come in without
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Speaker 1: the souls of your children. Sorry, So she has to
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Speaker 1: go look around for the souls of her children, and
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Speaker 1: she haunts the earth searching for them, wailing, where are
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Speaker 1: my children? Dressed in a long white burial gown these days?
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Speaker 1: In popular legend, she kidnaps children who resemble her own
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Speaker 1: are those who disobey their parents, or I've personally heard
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Speaker 1: children whose parents she thinks don't deserve them right um,
21:46
Speaker 1: which is an interesting take on on that idea. In
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Speaker 1: some versions, she attacks cheating men are lures drunk men
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Speaker 1: into the water. Her whale is sometimes believed to be
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Speaker 1: a foreteller of do kind of like a banshee. And
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Speaker 1: her story really has captivated and terrified generations. You can
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Speaker 1: find articles of people writing like I heard this word
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Speaker 1: and as a kid, and I'm still I'm afraid of it,
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Speaker 1: like just really sticking with people. Some trace her story
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Speaker 1: back to the astect goddess Kataque and I'm sorry if
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Speaker 1: I'm butschering that who legend has it? This goddess was
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Speaker 1: heard weeping before the Spanish conquest, so like crying for
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Speaker 1: her children. Others claim she is actually law your own
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Speaker 1: is actually her Nan Cortes's interpreter and lover, Lama lynch
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Speaker 1: A Um. When the asset capital fell, Cortes returned to
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Speaker 1: his first wife, abandoning Lama lynch A and the son
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Speaker 1: they had together. Interestingly, she's also considered the mother of
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Speaker 1: modern Mexico, while also a traitor for aiding Spanish. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Some researchers have suggested this story and others like it
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Speaker 1: reflect patriarchal standards of blaming little woman and here the
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Speaker 1: mother and the trope of the evil failed mother Um
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Speaker 1: that it's a way to reinforce expectations around being this
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Speaker 1: perfect mother. We've talked about that a lot too. They
23:06
Speaker 1: point out that she shares a lot of characteristics with
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Speaker 1: other urban legends and monsters Um, some that we're going
23:11
Speaker 1: to talk about later. But yeah, that was really interesting
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Speaker 1: because it's been like legit research papers written on her
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Speaker 1: and what she represents in particularly what she represents in
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Speaker 1: Mexico with the history aspects, So it's a lot going
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Speaker 1: on there, for sure. Did you watch the movie. I've
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Speaker 1: seen both movies because, as is we were talking about
23:30
Speaker 1: this other night, as it's the case a lot of times,
23:33
Speaker 1: two movies the same thing kind of come out around
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Speaker 1: the similar time. So I've seen kind of the more
23:39
Speaker 1: classic mainstream American horror movie, and then I saw one
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Speaker 1: that was much more like I believe it's a Spanish
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Speaker 1: it's a foreign language film, and it was much more
23:50
Speaker 1: about like politics and a dictator and possible dementia and
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Speaker 1: or Alzheimer's like is this is he hallucinating or is
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Speaker 1: she real? All? Dang, I need to go find that one,
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Speaker 1: because yeah, I like the movie a lot because it
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Speaker 1: was fun and then learning that tale. But yeah, there's
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Speaker 1: definitely a different variation again of the woman in white
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Speaker 1: who wants to punish some men sometimes my found Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that does seem to be a lot of the theme
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Speaker 1: about punishing men, the punishing women and punishing because there's
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Speaker 1: just a lot of pun punishing, punish, punishing. So now
24:24
Speaker 1: we're going back up the East, uh, and we're talking
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Speaker 1: about the legendary hannuckle Son, which is the young girl
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Speaker 1: who haunts the girls bathroom at the school, and of
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Speaker 1: course brought memories of Harry Potter as Yeah, morning, Myrtle
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Speaker 1: who likes to stay in the girl's bathroom and she's
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Speaker 1: very helpful. Of course, we don't have any uh Harry
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Speaker 1: Potter Wizarding World in han knuckle Sons, uh till, but yes,
24:54
Speaker 1: it did bring me to that. But she, of course
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Speaker 1: was before Harry Potter do. And how did the a
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Speaker 1: young girl who they see become a ghost? Well, according
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Speaker 1: to different legends, we have a version which talks about
25:08
Speaker 1: the young girl harn uco Son, being killed while playing
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Speaker 1: hide and seek um and it was at this time
25:15
Speaker 1: that the air raid happened in Japan during World War two,
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Speaker 1: and she was caught in that blast and tragically killed
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Speaker 1: at that point and then came back as a ghost.
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Speaker 1: Then there's another version which is kind of like how
25:29
Speaker 1: we were talking about with Laurona, and a lot of
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Speaker 1: other tales about her actually being murdered tragically by either
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Speaker 1: a parent or sometimes tell us talk about a stranger
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Speaker 1: who murders her. And then there is the possibility that
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Speaker 1: she was abused and sad and so she died by suicide.
25:46
Speaker 1: So I think you tell the tale based on which
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Speaker 1: one scares you the most, and you go into depth.
25:51
Speaker 1: I think the most tragic is the World War two thing.
25:53
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that makes me really sad because it
25:56
Speaker 1: could be too real. It happened and all that. And
25:59
Speaker 1: of course when the best parts of this tale much
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Speaker 1: like Candy Man, because we were talking about the new
26:05
Speaker 1: release of Candy Man and how it scared the hell
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Speaker 1: out of me when it was first released when I
26:09
Speaker 1: was younger and I watched the younger I still have
26:11
Speaker 1: nightmares about that one. And then of course it's a
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Speaker 1: type of the bloody merry tale, but that you can
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Speaker 1: actually summon a knack Son if you want to. Don't
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Speaker 1: do it. I feel like that's just always just don't
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Speaker 1: do it. I don't know why you would do it. Don't.
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Speaker 1: I'm about to give you instructions on how to do this,
26:27
Speaker 1: but don't there. And how does one summon such a
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Speaker 1: sad and typically evil spirit. Well, you enter the girl's
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Speaker 1: bathroom at a school, Best on the third floor. Apparently
26:39
Speaker 1: the number three is very very key here. Best on
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Speaker 1: the third floor, go to the third stall of the bathroom,
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Speaker 1: and you knock three times and ask nacko, son, are
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Speaker 1: you there? I'm not doing this, and then she responds
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Speaker 1: with yes, I am here, or something along those lines,
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Speaker 1: with a very eerie voice. Apparently, then you may see
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Speaker 1: a ghostly hand or a bloody hand appear under the stall,
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Speaker 1: coming towards you. And that's only if you're lucky, that's
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Speaker 1: all you see. But she also may appear, uh, and
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Speaker 1: you will see her apparently on a red scart. Red
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Speaker 1: is a big theme here, and maybe sometimes with burn marks.
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Speaker 1: They say that, and she will pull you through the
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Speaker 1: toilet and to hell. So she's gonna drag you into
27:27
Speaker 1: hell through the toilet. There's so many things to that.
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Speaker 1: That's just nightmarish. I think I once talking about like
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Speaker 1: a squatty potty and all of that, and she'll just
27:35
Speaker 1: come and grab you from underneath. That doesn't left four
27:37
Speaker 1: things that I'm afraid it's gonna crawl up from a
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Speaker 1: squatty potty in general, So I'm like, oh my god.
27:43
Speaker 1: Or she may have her three headed lizard come and
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Speaker 1: devour you. So that is, and you may not see
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Speaker 1: her at all. All you see when you open the
27:52
Speaker 1: door is a three headed lizard that is used to
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Speaker 1: kill you and eat you. And there are a few
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Speaker 1: that believe it is possible that you will not be
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Speaker 1: eaten or you will not be dragged to hell if
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Speaker 1: you present her with your perfect grades showing that you
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Speaker 1: are a great student, I guess, or some versions say
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Speaker 1: a perfect exam score, so maybe you have a test
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Speaker 1: on hand. So don't go into the bathroom unless you
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Speaker 1: have a perfect score. Doing this okay, which again makes
28:23
Speaker 1: it seem like this is an academic influenced cautionary tale
28:26
Speaker 1: of like, you better have good grades or her knuckles
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Speaker 1: son is gonna come and get you if you're exactly
28:35
Speaker 1: But either way, don't do it. Don't don't summon evil things.
28:38
Speaker 1: That's not to tempt them. That's my advice. And she
28:42
Speaker 1: has made her rounds and uh death, different enemies and
28:46
Speaker 1: mangas and movies as well. Yeah. I just pulled up
28:50
Speaker 1: a trailer for one very fun um so yeah, she
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Speaker 1: is definitely famous. Don't tempt her, Okay, I love it.
28:59
Speaker 1: I just have a discussion about this other day before
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Speaker 1: we watch Candy Man. I was like, it's not I
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Speaker 1: don't believe it. I'm just not gonna do it. To
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Speaker 1: tempt this we I did do Bloody Mary, and I
29:10
Speaker 1: think we're going to talk about that later. But I
29:12
Speaker 1: did go down a rabbit hole after this year's years
29:16
Speaker 1: years ago, after the whole Allies the Lamp thing, which
29:20
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go into but some of you
29:22
Speaker 1: probably know what I'm talking about, and did. One of
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Speaker 1: the theories for the whole thing was there's this thing
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Speaker 1: called the elevator game, which is kind of like this,
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Speaker 1: like you get to the fifth floor and then you
29:33
Speaker 1: press all these buttons and then you don't turn around,
29:35
Speaker 1: and then you'll never know if your world is real
29:37
Speaker 1: or not. For some reason, it really freaked me out,
29:39
Speaker 1: and then I started instead of stopping there, I was
29:42
Speaker 1: looking at all these other games you can do to
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Speaker 1: like summon things, right, boards, let's stay away from those.
29:51
Speaker 1: I went through big REGI board period and then it
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Speaker 1: scared me and I've not used it since. I'm just saying,
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Speaker 1: don't tempt them. Wait, so we were talking about the games.
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Speaker 1: Did you do any of those games? Can you tell?
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Speaker 1: Like as a kid, I did Bloody Marry. I definitely
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Speaker 1: tried Bloody Mary several times. Did you do the light
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Speaker 1: as a feather stuff as a board? One? I never
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Speaker 1: did that, did you. Yeah, it worked too. It was freaky.
30:19
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, we all ran. I mean,
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Speaker 1: of course there was ten of us with two fingers up,
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Speaker 1: so I feel like, plausibly we could do this. But
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Speaker 1: it felt really weird. Yeah, I mean it does. It
30:33
Speaker 1: looks weird to me, and I find it like it
30:35
Speaker 1: makes sense. I've read the articles about why it works,
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Speaker 1: and I believe them, but it just looks weird, right,
30:41
Speaker 1: And as children, when you hear these things and it works, man,
30:46
Speaker 1: yeah I did that. Um, it's like you crack an egg.
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Speaker 1: It's not a real egg, but it's like a thing
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Speaker 1: that you do some of your back crack the egg
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Speaker 1: and then you see and it's supposed to foretell how
30:56
Speaker 1: you die and mind us like apparently from a great height.
30:59
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think that's just because you pushed me.
31:01
Speaker 1: Whoa there, I never heard that part. I knew the
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Speaker 1: cracking egg and do this. That was just the sensation
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Speaker 1: that I didn't know. You're supposed to see your death. Yeah,
31:09
Speaker 1: they shove you and you're supposed to see you what.
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Speaker 1: Hopefully this is real. They crack an egg, they do
31:20
Speaker 1: a knife in your back, not a real knife, again
31:22
Speaker 1: people who have no idea what we're talking about or
31:25
Speaker 1: like what it was just some like game that you played.
31:28
Speaker 1: Somebody was giving you these sensations and feelings on your
31:32
Speaker 1: back and they would say this like creepy poem while
31:34
Speaker 1: they did it. When I played it, they would shove
31:37
Speaker 1: you at the end, and you were supposed to just
31:40
Speaker 1: see like a color and the color you could interpret
31:42
Speaker 1: to mean what your death would be. And I saw
31:46
Speaker 1: something that either meant like water or a fall from
31:48
Speaker 1: a great height. But again I think because you shoved me,
31:51
Speaker 1: that's probably why that makes sense. Okay, anyways, moving on,
31:59
Speaker 1: but yeah, moving on. Yes, well we'll have more discussion
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Speaker 1: like this in part two. But in the meantime, listeners,
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