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Katie Woolf spoke with Witness Sylvia and Dolly's Owner Paul Palmer regarding an incident on Easter Monday · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf. Everyone is listening to Mixed
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  Speaker 1: one or four point nine one.
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  Speaker 2: Now, as we understand, there was an incident a little
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  Speaker 2: bit earlier this week at at a pub in the
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  Speaker 2: Northern Suburbs. Now joining me on the line to tell
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  Speaker 2: us a little bit more is Sylvia. Good morning, Sylvia,
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  Speaker 2: good morning. What happened on Monday night?
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  Speaker 3: So a group of friends and I decided that we
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  Speaker 3: were going to go into Dolly's and Nanna to have
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  Speaker 3: a few drinks. It was a public holiday, and about
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  Speaker 3: nine o'clock to nine point thirty, I think it was
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  Speaker 3: three men who were intoxicated actually broke through the doors,
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  Speaker 3: made a huge mess and kerfuffle, and they grabbed a
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  Speaker 3: few bottles of rum. The young girl that was at
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  Speaker 3: the bar was slightly surrounded. She was in a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of shop when it happened. So quickly they ran outside,
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  Speaker 3: took the alcohol, ran outside, and you know, we went
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  Speaker 3: over to see what was going on and to help
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  Speaker 3: her out and see what we could do for her.
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  Speaker 3: But it didn't sort of there. They actually closed the
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  Speaker 3: bar a little bit early, which is understandable because she
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  Speaker 3: was shaken, yep, and she was a little bit upset,
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  Speaker 3: and so we thought, okay, we'll walk outside and just
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  Speaker 3: get to the cars and just leave. And as we
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  Speaker 3: were walking through the car park, one man ran across
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  Speaker 3: the car park with a few bottles of alcohol in
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  Speaker 3: his hand, and then several others started to chase him.
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  Speaker 3: And what was happening was that they were throwing what
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  Speaker 3: looked like glass bottles of beer at him. So we
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  Speaker 3: were dodging these bottles of of you know, these glass
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  Speaker 3: bottles as we were trying to get to our cars
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  Speaker 3: with people running through us and there was glass shattering everywhere,
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  Speaker 3: just to get to the car safely enough so that
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  Speaker 3: we could get out of the car park at High
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  Speaker 3: Biscus Shopping Center.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Sylvia, that sounds bloody frightening.
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  Speaker 3: It was, honestly night. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Firstly, was the young lady behind the bar Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she was, but I could tell that she was
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  Speaker 3: visibly like she was shaken, because what she did was
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  Speaker 3: she came up to the table after everything was over,
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  Speaker 3: and she started clearing the table when the table didn't
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  Speaker 3: need clearing. People were still drinking and eating, and she's
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  Speaker 3: sort of stopped and said, look, I just don't know
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  Speaker 3: what I'm doing okay, you need to sit down and
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  Speaker 3: just breathe for a couple of seconds. You know, people
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  Speaker 3: went across to help her and so forth that she
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  Speaker 3: was shaken.
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  Speaker 2: Oh for yeah, I bet you did. Goodness may Sylvia.
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  Speaker 2: Did the police get called or what sort of happened
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  Speaker 2: after that point?
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  Speaker 3: So we got in the cars and left. But I
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  Speaker 3: believe somebody else Wort mentioned that how the police were
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  Speaker 3: called and there were there were some investigations happening about
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  Speaker 3: what occurred that night.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh do you feel for you know, the owners of
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  Speaker 2: the pub, you feel for the people working there and
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  Speaker 2: of course everybody who was there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, it was quiet because you know it was
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  Speaker 3: around that period of time and it was a public holiday.
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  Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, you know, Leanya
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  Speaker 3: is normally well. It used to be a fantastic suburb.
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  Speaker 2: Oh g that's a difficult situation and bloody scary for
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  Speaker 2: all of you. Was anybody injured.
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  Speaker 3: No, No one was injured. But we were quite lucky
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  Speaker 3: that we had a few male friends that joined us,
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  Speaker 3: and they actually walked to the girls to the car
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  Speaker 3: because it was they were running between us, pushing us
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  Speaker 3: so or throwing the glass bottles. We didn't know if
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  Speaker 3: we were going to get hit by one of these
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  Speaker 3: bottles or anything like that. We just tried to get
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  Speaker 3: out of the way as fast as we could and
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  Speaker 3: into the cars and go. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And Sylvia, I know, look, I know there's lots of
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  Speaker 2: people in the community at the moment sort of saying,
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  Speaker 2: you know, do we need more regular patrols around some
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  Speaker 2: of these areas.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have thought. I would have thought there
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  Speaker 3: was some security guards or something. Normally I see security
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  Speaker 3: guards around those areas, but there was nothing on this
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  Speaker 3: particular evening. But it's not anything that's sort of new.
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  Speaker 3: It seems to be happening a lot more often than
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  Speaker 3: Leanna when I go there, you know, in the evenings,
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  Speaker 3: to go to walls and stuff like that. So I
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  Speaker 3: think there does need to be something, But again, it's
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  Speaker 3: a balancing act.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Sylvia. I really appreciate you having a chat with
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  Speaker 2: us this morning and letting us know what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: I always think it's important for people to know and
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  Speaker 2: to bring it to the light so that you know
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  Speaker 2: that we can try and make some changes. No anytime,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Sylvia, I appreciate your time. You are listening
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  Speaker 2: to mix. One oh four point nine is three sixty
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  Speaker 2: now if you do want to call through this morning,
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  Speaker 2: eight nine four one one O four nine is the number.
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  Speaker 2: And well, joining me on the line right now is
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  Speaker 2: the owner of Dolly's, Paul Palmer. Good morning to.
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  Speaker 1: You, Paul, okatie.
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  Speaker 3: How are you not too bad?
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  Speaker 2: Mate? How are you guys? And how's how's that young employee?
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  Speaker 2: Following on from the incident that occurred.
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  Speaker 1: Look, you know, obviously Captain Soon is always for the
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  Speaker 1: stuff she's look she's doing okay, you know it. It
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  Speaker 1: was a pretty ordinary incident. You know, we've got the
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  Speaker 1: manager out of the bottle shop dealing with them, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kicking them out of there because they're threatened to do
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  Speaker 1: a smash and grab in there, and so that's that
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  Speaker 1: has insuited them kicked out of there. So they've come
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  Speaker 1: into the pub and you know he's had to he
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  Speaker 1: had to run in there afterwards and deal with it
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  Speaker 1: in there. I mean, it's just getting out of hand.
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  Speaker 1: It's just crazy, goodness.
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  Speaker 3: Me, Paul.
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  Speaker 2: So they tried to they tried to get into the
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  Speaker 2: bottle shop first, correct.
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  Speaker 4: So the manager and the bottle shop attendant got rid
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  Speaker 4: of them. Out of the bottle shop and the manager
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  Speaker 4: was in there waiting, you know, securing the bottle shop
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  Speaker 4: so they wouldn't come back. And then they've just gone
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  Speaker 4: around and walked straight into the bar and thought, well,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we don't you know, we know he's in
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  Speaker 4: there now, so we'll go in there and harass the
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  Speaker 4: staff in there, which is you know, it's just it's
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  Speaker 4: just ridiculous. I mean, the footage makes for compelling viewing,
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  Speaker 4: I can tell you.
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  Speaker 2: I bet it does. Paul, are you finding i mean
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  Speaker 2: was the sitution like was it just a one off
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  Speaker 2: over the Easter weekend or are you finding that this
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  Speaker 2: is getting increasingly difficult to deal with?
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  Speaker 1: Well, Katie, we've had numerous problems over the years, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: thanks to the you know, the government's programs that is secure,
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  Speaker 1: We've we've turned our place into into Fort Knox. However,
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  Speaker 1: now they don't seem to really care, and they're coming
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  Speaker 1: basically coming in from are open and harassing the staff
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  Speaker 1: and just reaching over the bar and grabbing alcohol. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's it's you know, at what point, at what
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  Speaker 1: point do we do we just say enough enough? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we've got to fix the root cause of this, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: but we need some action immediately.
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  Speaker 2: What do you reckon can change immediately?
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  Speaker 3: Paul?
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  Speaker 2: That would you know, that would would help our business owners,
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  Speaker 2: because let's be frank, it's not just you that we've
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  Speaker 2: spoken to this morning. We've obviously heard from Sylvia who
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  Speaker 2: witnessed the incident. We've also spoken to a business in Karama,
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  Speaker 2: and we've spoken yesterday to Manual that at the IgA
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  Speaker 2: and Fanny Bay. I mean, really, what can we change here?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Look, you know those of the smart those answers
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  Speaker 1: from smarter people than me, caddie. But you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: whether you know you're talking about the long term change
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  Speaker 1: here is probably generational, I don't know. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if you know, if
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  Speaker 1: it needs that, it comes to the point where places
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  Speaker 1: like ourselves and Manual at Fanny Bay and the lady
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  Speaker 1: at Karama. I mean, if we need to have security
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  Speaker 1: on twenty four to seven, well someone can have to
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  Speaker 1: pay for it. I mean, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: businesses can't afford to have those those sort of security arrangements,
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  Speaker 1: you know all the time. If it's getting to the
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  Speaker 1: point now where where these offenders are simply just not
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  Speaker 1: caring about whether people are on the premises or not,
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  Speaker 1: and a threatening staff and in front of customers, then
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe we need to look at a situation
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  Speaker 1: where there's security, some sort of funding for security until this,
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  Speaker 1: until this situation is fixed. I mean, you know, we're hearing,
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  Speaker 1: we're hearing things from the from both sides of government,
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  Speaker 1: and we're hoping that something happens fairly soon. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: the government is talking about passing some legislation in May
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  Speaker 1: on urgency. I hope, I hope that happens. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: exactly sure what it's going to be, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: we can't go on like this. It's going to get
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  Speaker 1: to the point where you know, people are going to
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  Speaker 1: start taking manage of their own hands.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I guess you know, like at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, we also like we all understand you
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  Speaker 2: know that when they're when when you own business that's
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  Speaker 2: got alcohol or when you're serving alcohol, there's always risks
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  Speaker 2: involved and you're used to those risks, you know, if
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  Speaker 2: you've been running a pub for many years as you have,
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  Speaker 2: or any public and around the territory. But the you know,
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  Speaker 2: the added concerns that we've got at the moment, like
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  Speaker 2: you said, is that you know, we've now reached a point,
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  Speaker 2: by the sounds of it, where people actually don't care
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  Speaker 2: whether there are you know, staff on premise. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they don't care whether the venue is opened or whether
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  Speaker 2: it's closed, and they're not particularly worried about how much
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  Speaker 2: damage they cause or whether they're endangering other people. They
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  Speaker 2: just you know, they're just getting in there and getting
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  Speaker 2: what they can get their hands on.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, you know, it is terrible for our industry.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we're already struggling to keep in find stuff,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with international borders being closed, and now we
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  Speaker 1: have these sorts of incidents putting down in the staff's
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  Speaker 1: minds about their employment choices.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: It really it's really just going to be a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a nail in the coffin if it keeps happening.
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  Speaker 1: Over this drives.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I know there'll be some people listening right now
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  Speaker 2: who are thinking, well, you know, suld you actually employ
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  Speaker 2: security yourself twenty four to seven.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, is is that really what needs to
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  Speaker 1: happen that? I mean, you know, we as citizens, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we rely on governments to keep us safe, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: these sort of things need to be addressed by private government,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if we have to. If we have to,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I will do anything to keep my staff safe. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and if I have to put on security and pay
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  Speaker 1: for it, well I absolutely will. But you know, you
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  Speaker 1: sort of look at the situation and you say, well, well,
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  Speaker 1: how much more do we have to do before before
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  Speaker 1: people just start to say, well, we're enough to know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the worry. And look, I've just received
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  Speaker 2: a message from one of our listeners. It says unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: security are very limited in what they can do, and
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  Speaker 2: people know it.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean they don't they don't have the police
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  Speaker 1: powers and all sorts of things, but you know, it
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  Speaker 1: really is. But you know, it's better than nothing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you know that the expense of security prayer hour
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  Speaker 1: is fairly huge and you can imagine that price will
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  Speaker 1: only go up if everyone had to use it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, to find them.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to find them is the next problem. So but
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I believe a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: time these kids are are not sealing the outcohol for
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  Speaker 1: their own use, but using it as a commodity as well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and selling it to others. To use the
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  Speaker 1: proceeds to buy more dangerous substances, you know. And I
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  Speaker 1: just think that there's that side of outside of it
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  Speaker 1: to think about too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Paul Palmer, owner of Dollies, we really appreciate
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  Speaker 2: your time this morning. Thank you very much for having
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  Speaker 2: a chat with us only.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Katie, thank you.