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Would You Rather Have Sonny Gray Or Blake Snell? · Kenny Wallace Media

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Lake Snell, two years. Two years 62.
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Million, which will be one year. Whoa.
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I hope for him it is too bad for him.
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Do you? Kind of.
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A little bit. I mean, why do you hold?
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On Young. He probably got offered a lot of
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money and he turned it down. Do we know that?
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No, but you would think. He probably would guarantee that
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there were people kicking the tires earlier and they were
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like, Nope, we're holding out. We're holding out.
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We're holding. Out.
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I'm not saying they don't. Feel sorry for him.
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The kind of bag that the other guys got, but I guarantee
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someone gave more than that. Yeah, so now he's got two years
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with an out in between. Yes, he does.
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So he'll get by. Our rotation on his. 31 million
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or whatever he's paid in that first year.
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He'll get by on that. Yeah.
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Oh, for sure, I think. He can get by on that.
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Yeah, I don't think he's going to be eating ramen and tuna,
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but. The.
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But if you were, but if you were a team where you're you're
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starting rotation is. Has Jordan Hickson?
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OK or. If you're a team where maybe the
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guy you, you, you count on the front of the rotation, got a
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little hammy, little hammy and ain't going to make that first
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start, maybe you look into that. I don't know if I mean there
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might be a team out. There unreasonable.
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OK, I didn't know of this. It is Bob Nightingale who I
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love, by the way. But here comes the thing.
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But sometimes the the numbers can get floated.
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But Bob Nightingale tweeted the Yankees offered him 150 and then
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they pulled their offer. Now somebody else said six
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years, 168 from the Yankees. If we just, if we just assume
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Bob Nightingale's is true, I mean 6150 is kind of what
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everybody thought that all three of those guys would get Snell,
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NOLA got a little more and even Montgomery like that 25,000,000
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AAV, that's what Nola got what 7 years 168.
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I was gonna say 1:30, but so. He got, I think he got 24 AAV
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for seven years. Sounds about right.
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So if Snell turned that down, that's really stupid.
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Exactly. That's why I don't feel.
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So I don't feel sorry for I know.
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That's what I'm saying. Your agent screwed you.
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Was that reported though, Like, until yesterday?
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I don't have to. I don't have to read someone
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else's report to extrapolate on my own that he was offered a
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longer deal with more money. Maybe not what they were looking
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for, but I mean, Snell's out there.
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They were talking, no? Someone, someone put some on the
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table. Not what they wanted, maybe, but
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certainly better than what he got.
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But that's a really good deal. Turning that down is stupid.
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I understand if they said, hey, four years, 100.
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Is this the biggest gap from a somebody that you think would
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have? Has this happened before?
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I mean, I know it has, but like a big dog's, like I'm holding
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out and I'm holding out and all of a sudden.
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It just happened to Matt Chapman, right?
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We haven't seen Maddie Chapman. Wasn't he offered a?
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101 Fifty Declined 100 million Sign for 54,000,000 Giants, and
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then the wombat goes. Cody Bellinger seeking 200
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Schmel signed 80 million Cubs. But what was his offer?
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Because Chapman was actually offered the 100.
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Over how many years, though? I don't know 'cause the.
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AAV game, Kind of. OK.
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But if you're Blake Snell, you're not going to get better
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than six 150. That's a very fair deal.
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I could see him thinking in his head, slash with the council of
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Scott Boris, that if Aaron Nola got X amount of money, well, I
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got two Cy Youngs in my name. So I'm X plus something and I'm
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kind of, you know, feeling yourself a little bit in free
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agency and waiting for just an extra 20 million on the deal or
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something like that and so. Damn.
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I can see an argument where those guys are probably thinking
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man, pretty astronomical numbers even for these already
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astronomical numbers. But he had, he has issues with
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innings usually. I mean, this past year he was
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good, but he's not Aaron Nola from a workhorse standpoint and
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they. Also give you 5 innings, right?
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They also paid Aaron Nola to basically not go out there.
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I mean, they kept him, you know, and he's their guy.
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Somebody said I don't know where you're getting us from the
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wombat. It says baseball.
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Whatever. But Blake Snell seeking 300 +
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1,000,000 declined 168,000,000 Yankees and remains unsigned.
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But I guess now he's signed for 62 million.
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Has Boris lost his fastball? I don't know.
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I certainly did this offseason. It's a it's a game of musical
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chairs, Yep. And you and you, if you're a
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player, are just sitting there while your agent plays that game
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for you. Sometimes the music stops.
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Terasenko, Same thing. He's going to be OK now,
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Hopefully. But he turned down multiple
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years. Thought he's going to get more.
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Got backed up into a jam. Then he signs one year with all
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the wall Ottawa miserable Ottawa.
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These baseball teams these days, they like to do it on the cheap.
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They do. All of them.
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They like to get deals. How about the Giants?
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The Giants get 2 steals. Do you blame them though?
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No. No, I'm saying if we we talked
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about both Chapman with a big offer and reportedly Snell with
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a big offer and the Giants get both these guys.
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Now I don't want to say a discount, but from from a year
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standpoint, but hell, it's essentially A1 year deal for an
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ace. This is what I thought of when I
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saw the deal. It's a it's an obvious question
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if you're the Cardinals, which deal would you prefer, Sonny
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Grey's deal or Blake Snell's deal?
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And it's not fair to throw it out there because it's totally
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different times of the market. What's?
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Grey's deal again. 375. I'd probably say Snell.
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Just for more upside. Snow a little bit better.
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I also. Younger.
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Factoring in that you know if if you're a team who fancies
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itself, or if you're a fan base who fancies itself a fan base of
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a team that you think is cheap, I get it.
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You know they're still like about #10 in the in the in the
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league in that regard. So they're the Cardinals are not
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a cheap organization. But relative to the Dodgers and
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the Braves and the Yankees and the other and the other teams
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that you're trying to get past, yes, compared to those teams,
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you're cheap. So I I can see there being some
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level of excitement if Blake Snell comes off the books and
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you're like, oh hey, $33 million just wiped away from our roster.
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Now we get to do it all over again and then there being some
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level of excitement next offseason for that.
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What What was your take on the Marmol extension?
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Charlie Marlow. Good old Ollie.
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Good old Ollie. I just.
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I just thought it was kind of odd.
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It it doesn't super surprise me just because of the way the
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Cardinals do business. I thought the timing of it was a
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little weird. It did feel like the the Friday
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Political news dump. For what's a?
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For what's a big piece of information?
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You see that, oh, the Cardinals are holding a press conference.
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You're you're trying to think, what is it?
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What's it going to be? Is it an extension for?
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Could it be for Newt or Jordan Walker?
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The Goldie thing, I think, would have to happen in the offseason,
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But then you see that. So then once I heard MO Zaylok's
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comments, I understand why they did it.
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I still don't. I don't like the way MO framed
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it. It almost seemed like there was
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this inevitability. Now there's going to be a really
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bad start based on the schedule. He had another injury with
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Keenan Middleton. It almost said, hey, we're going
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to have a bad start. The fans and media are going to
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start bitching. We're just going to put that
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aside away, which I understand why you do that, but I think
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it's. I don't know, I just don't think
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it's a great message two weeks from the beginning of the
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season. But you know what?
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I think he's not going to be fired mid season.
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I think it's fair to say that. But if he has a horrible year,
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could they still get rid of him afterwards?
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Sure. I agree with you that pretty
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much painting a picture of doom, just so if doom happens, it
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doesn't seem to be that impactful.
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You're not fooling anyone with that.
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So don't say that stuff. But I do think part of its
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optics, because I think if the Cardinals are a disaster, I
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think they still could whack Ollie at mid season if they're a
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disaster. And just because he's got two
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years, I mean, it's not like that's prohibitive in terms of
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money for them to make a move. So I think part of its optics.
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I also think somewhere in there there's a Yachty connection.
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We still don't know where Yachty is.
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Yeah, I don't know how this is related, but it seems like there
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might be a Yachty. Connection somehow, Yachty.
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And you got pool holes. Now who wants to be a skipper?
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Yes, he does. Where's he at right now?
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He's got his nice little 10 year, 10 year.
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What is it? Personal services.
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Deal with the. With Angels.
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With the Angels? Yep.
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That's a good gig, right? He's doing.
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Jersey exchanges. That's a good.
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Gig right there. That's a good gig.
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Do you see that jersey exchange with the NBA the other day?
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The funny one, Yeah, I did see that one.
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Yes. I think that's hilarious.
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Didn't Fred had a nice article about the Cardinals today?
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Nice little article. Kind of went through different
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things that's going on. Little stats.
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What do we got? Well, I'll find it for you.
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Forget stats. Go go with injuries.
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I mean, that's crazy. Yeah, we're dealing with that.
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He just mentioned Middleton now has an issue like they are
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besieged by injuries before the season even starts.
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Do you see the power rankings of MLB?
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What'd you say? How about you guess?
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Where they're. Where they were I.
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Think they're going to have the Cardinals lower than we would?
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Well, just throw a number out there.
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Just power. Rankings 22nd.
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Everybody. Pretty good guess.
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Pretty. Dang.
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Good guess. I'm gonna say 18.
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I'll go oh, now I gotta, gotta meet in the middle, 2020. 18 on
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the number Dude, that was lower than I thought it would be.
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Yeah, I thought it would be like 1415.
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So it was just written though, so to be fair you could take
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into account a plethora of injuries, so.
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Ben Fred's like, OK, zero. That's the number of camp
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appearances so far from the new special assistant to the
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president of baseball operations, Yadi, Her Molina.
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So much for hoping the retired catching legend would be would
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be hands on with Wilson Contreras and Ivan Herrera this
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spring. Time is running out.
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Hey, by the way, it's hilarious. Charlie, just it's great.
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Think about it. Charlie just gave us a trivia
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question, and that question was brought to you by the Post
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Sports Bar and Grill. The official cheesesteak of Hot
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Tank Central tied it in. The thing that's disconcerting
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about Yachty, like as a special advisor, your role is kind of
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undefined to begin with. OK, people, that thought Yachty
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is going to be the secondary bench coach?
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Probably not going to happen. You know, we're right sitting
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right there in the dugout, Probably not going to happen.
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But what's just concerning is the Cardinals don't really know
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when he's going to show up. And that's kind of.
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It's awesome. It's kind of like hilarious, not
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unexpected. It reminds.
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Me like Brett Hall like the Blues hired Holly And you just
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like I'm down Mexico drink go to go like how come when I need to
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exactly. That's what Yadi should do this
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entire this entire episode. If if you can't appreciate the
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humor in all of this so fun, then you have no sense of humor.
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It started. It started when basically Yadi
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said I have a job with the Cardinals, remember?
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And then MO's like, well we haven't really discussed it, but
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yeah, and then like 2 days later there was a press release.
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Yadi just does whatever he wants.
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It's hilarious. He does.
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They should just say, MO should just say, guys, we all know Yadi
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Yadi's going to do what Yadi's going to do.
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Yadi's going to do it. Yadi's.
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Because that's the truth. You're Dang right.
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Even even part of that maybe wasn't as public is when they
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were discussing a possible position on the coaching staff,
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someone in the organization, and they were in the middle of
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talks. And then Yadi wasn't hurt from
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for weeks until he decided he was going to be an advisor.
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Like it wasn't just Yadi. Yadi had talked to him about a
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coaching spot and then disappeared and then announced
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that he was going to be an advisor.
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For him though, he got whatever he's getting paid and not doing
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a lot good for him. He basically created a job,
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which isn't really a job. Let's be real about it, which is
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fine. Doesn't bother me.
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I just think it's funny. I can tell you the advisors
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don't make a boatload of money, they.
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Well, whatever he's making for not being there.
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I'll do anything. Here's another 113.
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It would be encouraging to see a 36 year old Paul Goldschmidt
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heat up at the plate before camp breaks.
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He's got a team high 13 strikeouts through 31 at bats.
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His spring slash line of one 61270 and 323 currently converts
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to a 593 OPS that would mark the lowest spring OPS of his career.
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Goldschmidt is entering the final year of his contract and
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there have been no signs that an extension is coming this.
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Spring. Listen, he knows nothing about
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baseball because anyone will tell you Paul Goldsmith talks
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about barreling the ball. If he barrels the ball, then he
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had a good at bat. He's working on some things.
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He's working on he's. Seeing what it's like to not
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barrel the ball. Yeah, he's working.
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On all seeing pitches. These stats are racing about 8
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days. I ain't worried about it.
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Alright, alright, I'm just reading what Ben Fred throwing
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out here, baby. Freddy's great. 5 548 I don't
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want to be an alarmist, but the Cardinals starters this spring
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have a combined 548 ERA through 20 through two starts and 64
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innings of Grapefruit League action.
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That's fifth highest among National League rotations.
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Dodger starters have a National League best spring rotation ERA
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of 286 through 19 starts and 50 innings.
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Well, the good news, the good news is Libertor has given up
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most of those runs and right now he's just rotation depth.
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There's been, there's been a lot of bad stuff, some good.
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I mean there's some guys having decent offensive springs.
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I don't know what you make of, yeah, spring training, but it
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certainly isn't something that makes you think it's going to be
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a great year. And it's not even the ERA.
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It's the injuries, right? I mean, Tommy's not there,
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Sonny's not there, Newts not there, Middleton's not there.
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Those are pieces that supposedly are important pieces.
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Now they're not long term injuries or so we believe, but
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you it's important for this team to get off to a good start.
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So it's not deja vu from last year and it kind of looks like
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they're going to slide in that direction.
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I hope I'm wrong. And you got somebody basically
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from every position group, almost nicked up Keenan
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Middleton. That that forearm tightness that
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can usually not usually I almost usually.
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Sometimes that turns into the big dog.
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The big sometimes the big boy. Edmond.
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Edmond. When the hell is he going to
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play? None of your business.
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None of your business, Charlie. How dare you ask that question?
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Well, I want to, I want to bet on the I want to bet on the wind
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total. Where are we at with that?
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What are we thinking Cole, are you excited?
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Are you excited for a OK, but 82, I feel like I would say the
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same thing, but I feel like how do you get to 82 because if
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they're bad there could be a sell off.
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You know what I'm saying? Like to me it's I almost think
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it's either going to be other. Well, I'm.
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Saying, I almost think it's going to be either 74 wins or
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90, you know what I'm saying? Because because if they suck,
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they're going to sell off again. But if they're at 82 pace at the
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trade deadline or they're just in the mix?
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Then they're going to add in the mix, in the mix, in the mix, and
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then they kind of die off at the end 'cause injuries.
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It's really a hard. Thing to pick.
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You know, but I'm telling the Blues.
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I think that for the Cardinals to get to 90, not impossible.
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Then they got a hit like crazy, they got a hit like crazy and
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then the guys they brought in have to go 6.
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Even if they're giving up four runs, you know five runs.
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They got to stay in games and out hit teams.
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I it's possible, but it's hard to imagine another more likely
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scenario than that. And by the way, I'm not rooting
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for this, because I truly I know Cole is.
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I'm joking. I want the Cardinals to be good.
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I'm not joking. But if we talk about storylines,
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it all wraps into what we said earlier.
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Here's the good storyline. I hate to say it, Cardinals have
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that really rough start. And the 2nd, that they're now
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three and eight who starts to show up to be the special
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assistant every day. That would be the interesting
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story. They're three and eight, and
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then all of a sudden Yadi starts showing up every day.
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And then they win. And again, I'm.
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I'm. Just this is this is 75% joke.
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Then they start winning. But that's seven.
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Straight. But that's that's the funny
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storyline, yeah. They start winning games.
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People are talking about yachties presents there.
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All these. Extensions.
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Damn, dude. I think it's tied in.
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I think no, Yachty somehow was tied into.
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I haven't talked to anyone, but out of the blue, Ollie gets the
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extension. They don't know where Yachty is.
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I don't know. It's got to be related somehow.
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Don't you think that was my whole point on the timing of it?
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I understand, even if I disagree, that Look, Ollie is
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their man. That's fine and it may work.
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But if he was always your man and you don't blame him for
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2023, then you would have thought this way all throughout
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the offseason. And I feel like there was a a
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time to do this not two weeks before the season that wasn't as
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alarming. And this gets back to I agree
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with you, Yachty not showing up when again, a lot of folks think
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he's going to be the successor. If you think about John Mosalak,
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that he has two years left and you you would think he would
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want to have yati as his manager and try to corral him in his
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last two years, that's kind of insanity.
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Like I think Daniel Descalzo would have a better shot
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honestly of of getting that job. But I do think that his comments
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Mozalak's show they were very reactionary to the schedule and
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the injuries and I don't think from a messaging standpoint that
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was too great to throw out there two weeks before the season
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started. What's Skip's contract with the
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Marlins? I have no idea.
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'Cause that'd be the guy you'd want back if you could get him.
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Yeah, he don't want to leave down there.
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What are you talking about? He's product of the Cardinal
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Way. Yeah, now he's probably got a
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nice place down there. The media is OK.
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I don't know. Not even there.
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Nobody's showing up. No one's there, no one's.
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Nobody cares. Nobody even cares.
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You just go out there and do your thing.
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It's almost as if the Cardinals drubbed up a yay yachty is back.
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Smokescreen to cover up for an awful offseason.
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Completely shocked he hasn't shown up.
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Whatever. The win total is hammer the
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under. This team is an absolute joke.
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90 wins is a new ceiling. What happened to this once great
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franchise? So, so very sad. 90 wins
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wouldn't be sad. What it For this team, 90 wins
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would be Again, we have lowered the bar.
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It's fair to say we have lowered the bar, but 90 wins for this
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team, I think people would be ecstatic about at this point.
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This is the final year. Unless there's been an updated
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extension, this is the final year of his deal with a club
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option for Schumacher, Club option for the Marlins on
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Schumacher for 2025, which they will probably exercise.
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I never thought he'd come back from California because he's a
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California guy and I, I don't know, try to get.
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That'd be the guy I'd want back if if Ali isn't here.
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That I mean Skip Schumacher would be the guy Skippy target.
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Just scheduled Middleton's Tommy John.
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It's inevitable. Oh, I wasn't.
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Saying inevitable, but that forearm stiffness can turn into
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that. That's all I was saying.
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And he's had this before, right? I think he's had this before.
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Forearm stiffness. Oh yeah, yeah.
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How much time I used? To have that when I was a
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teenager. How?
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Much time you got, you want to do.
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Trigger Nobody. Nobody.
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No. Arm stiffness I missed I.
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Missed that joke? I got you missed what you said.
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I didn't get one line. I know what you're saying, OK?
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It was a. Masturbation joke?
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OK, jeez, do I have to spell it out?
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I don't get it. I don't get it.
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You want to do can we do trivia with Charlie now or you got to
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get going? I kind of do, all right.
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Is that right? Do you want me to call in?
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Where are you going? I'm going home to parent.
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You driving? Oh no.
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I thought you were going somewhere for spring break.
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So I think, I think we're going to go to Innsbrook.
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So we're doing. We also now have a potential
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funeral situation with a a friend of the family, which I'm
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guessing might be Friday, Saturday, but so if we're at
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Innsbrook, which is only an hour, we could still figure that
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out. We're going innsbrook too.
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You are? Yeah, for my birthday.
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OK, Not this weekend, though. Innsbrook's cool.
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It's. Really cool, man.
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I can't wait to go. Kate picked it out and
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everything. And honestly, because we had
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like some uncertainty with the schedule.
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We're not going to book until tomorrow.
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You can get some freaking deals 2-3 days out.
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Actually, it's literally one day out, she.
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She got a good deal. It's going to be nice.
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I didn't bring a bunch of food crock pot.
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Oh, you can make. A fire.
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Oh yeah, and they have a little general store there for anything
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you forget. Lot cheaper than Chicago.
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Doggy what was your hotel? Where do we stay, La Quinta?
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OK, no, he didn't. No, I'm saying like, was it
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downtown we. Have to Ritz.
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It's really nice. Really nice.
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Tell me though, pricey. You go rent a cabin.
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For Saint Patty. 'S day 50 minutes away.
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Oh, I got a deal. I bet you did.
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But it's still. Crazy. 50 minutes away, man,
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you're and you're in like the middle of nowhere.
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It's right up. 40 really. It's like a hidden.
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Gem. It's cool.
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It's a hidden gem, but you. Also, no offense, I want Tyler
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to be exposed to grown men urinating on the street.
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You know, like, yeah, there's a con.
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Happening every. Year with educating your kid.
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God, Cam, when you go to Innsbrook, are you coming back
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on a Monday or Tuesday? I'm not going to tell you that.
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I think that April 15th is a Monday and I took that day off.
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And the rest of us get it off too.
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Oh yeah. We're all What have we got No
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bench? We we're all.
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We got no bench. You're gone.
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We got both of you guys out, so we're.
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Going to do the best of on April 15th, then I'm going on another
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vacation tomorrow. And get excited, it's a month
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out. That's a good vacation month,
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though, yeah. The weather is perfect.
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You know, we're doing a couple things.
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I like the 50° weather. I don't to be too, too cold, but
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you're living. In May.
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Yeah. Where you going for that?
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I'm going down to Bahamas, baby. Yeah.
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Oh yeah.