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Diogenes Club | E12 - Finding Our Groove · Diogenes Club

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SPEAKER_00: Maybe it'll switch over.
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SPEAKER_00: There we go.
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SPEAKER_00: I was doing weird things.
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SPEAKER_01: I was hitting my voice for our session today.
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SPEAKER_00: Hey, what is going on, everyone?
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Diogenes Club.
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I'm hoping that Substack decides to work for this one today
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because we were having
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some problems earlier on intelligent masculinity a little bit
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ago with Substack.
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SPEAKER_00: What's up, y'all?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm Nick Parrow.
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SPEAKER_00: This is Sick of the Shit Publications.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not your dad.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm joined by Walter Rine,
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SPEAKER_00: protector of Labradors,
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SPEAKER_00: Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Eric Lulove,
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SPEAKER_00: medical editor at Blue Ant Media.
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SPEAKER_00: Eventually,
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SPEAKER_00: we'll have our friend Evan Fields,
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the semi-broken man who we're going to build back up today
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because he's our friend
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SPEAKER_00: and we love him.
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SPEAKER_00: And we want our brother to heal.
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SPEAKER_00: How are you guys today?
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SPEAKER_01: Stronger than he was before.
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SPEAKER_01: Stronger with the force.
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SPEAKER_00: Stronger with the force.
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SPEAKER_00: Like the Japanese do with broken vases and broken objects,
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we'll reforge it and put it back together and make it stronger
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and more beautiful
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SPEAKER_00: on the other side.
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SPEAKER_02: I hope he gets here.
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SPEAKER_02: What he's going through is like life as a writer my whole life.
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SPEAKER_02: We'll do work for nothing.
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We'll take your good ideas and then you're out and then
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everybody makes you a bad guy.
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SPEAKER_02: And then that's like, that's everything I've ever experienced.
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SPEAKER_02: So I actually have some things I can say, I think that'll help them.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And I hope he,
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SPEAKER_00: I hope he's able to,
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SPEAKER_00: I know he said he'll be here soon and he accepted the invite.
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SPEAKER_00: So we know he'll be here at some point.
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SPEAKER_00: Eric, how are you doing?
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SPEAKER_01: I am doing okay.
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SPEAKER_01: It was a rough week last week.
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SPEAKER_01: I appreciate you guys reaching out and thanking me for your condolences.
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SPEAKER_01: My grandmother was a very exceptional, wonderful woman.
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SPEAKER_01: For those of you that don't know, she passed away.
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SPEAKER_01: She was 104 years of age.
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SPEAKER_01: She pretty much was living independently up until about six months ago.
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SPEAKER_01: She just couldn't food prep as much anymore.
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SPEAKER_01: But she still had her mind.
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SPEAKER_01: She still had her faculty.
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SPEAKER_01: She knew exactly where things were at.
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And she would have some very choice words for a lot of people
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at Lincoln Square if
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SPEAKER_01: she was Evan's grandmother.
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SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you that.
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SPEAKER_01: They'd be hearing from Nana Betty today.
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SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you.
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But just a quick story,
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just to kind of tell everybody the kind of woman she was.
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SPEAKER_01: I remember there were two stories.
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SPEAKER_01: They're both quick.
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SPEAKER_01: So I remember in the 2000 election, that was the Bush-Gore election.
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SPEAKER_01: And she was living in Florida.
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SPEAKER_01: And I was in medical school in Cleveland.
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SPEAKER_01: And she called me.
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SPEAKER_01: And she's like, I just voted.
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SPEAKER_01: I said, congratulations.
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SPEAKER_01: She's like, yeah, but I think the fix is in.
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SPEAKER_01: I said, what do you mean?
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SPEAKER_01: She's like, the card didn't line up with the punch hole.
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SPEAKER_01: So I might have voted for somebody I didn't want to vote for.
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SPEAKER_01: So she knew back then that the fix was in for that election.
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Then the second story,
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and I'm sure that this is going to love everybody in the chat.
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So what was the year,
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Walter,
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you might remember,
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Nick,
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you might remember this.
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SPEAKER_01: What was the year that
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SPEAKER_01: The same same sex marriage was on the was on the agenda.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you know that 2004 2008?
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SPEAKER_01: Right around there.
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SPEAKER_01: She got a she got a she got a phone call from a pollster.
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SPEAKER_01: My grandmother,
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SPEAKER_01: she goes,
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SPEAKER_01: and they went through this whole diatribe about,
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SPEAKER_01: well,
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SPEAKER_01: marriages,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: in Florida,
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SPEAKER_01: we should marriages should be between a man and a woman.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's sacred.
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SPEAKER_01: And she goes, that's OK.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm a lesbian.
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SPEAKER_01: This is my like 80 plus year old grandmother.
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SPEAKER_01: Just a mess of the book.
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SPEAKER_01: That's the kind of woman she was.
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SPEAKER_01: She just very with it.
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SPEAKER_01: Not a fan of Trump.
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SPEAKER_01: Staunch Democrat.
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SPEAKER_01: She worked for the Palm Beach Democratic Party.
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SPEAKER_01: She was a staunch Democrat her whole life.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm really, I'm going to miss her.
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SPEAKER_01: She was, she was a big part of my upbringing, a big part of who I was.
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SPEAKER_01: And, and,
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SPEAKER_01: a big part of why I turned out on the right side of the grass.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm so glad that you shared that, Eric.
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SPEAKER_02: And I mean,
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SPEAKER_02: what's so important because we should celebrate,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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SPEAKER_02: we were,
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SPEAKER_02: there's this temptation like,
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SPEAKER_02: Oh,
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SPEAKER_02: he's grieving.
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SPEAKER_02: And so we shouldn't talk about it.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like,
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it's the best thing we can do is talk about these wonderful
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people that have been
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SPEAKER_02: made an impact in our lives.
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SPEAKER_02: I had a friend and his, his, his son had committed suicide.
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SPEAKER_02: And I, it's like,
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SPEAKER_02: how do you deal with that?
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SPEAKER_02: And he told me, he's like, I want to talk about him.
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SPEAKER_02: And so I was like, Hey, tell me a story about your son, you know?
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SPEAKER_02: And that's how we keep the memory alive.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think that's, that's the opposite of toxic masculinity again.
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We,
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we,
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because we're tempted to just do the easy thing and be quiet
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and move on.
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SPEAKER_02: And I just love that you shared those stories.
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SPEAKER_02: I really appreciate that you did that.
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SPEAKER_02: And a hundred, what you said, 104 years, right?
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, she sounds like a character and she had a,
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grateful life and that's something to celebrate i think we
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should all have smiles
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on our faces you know talking about this person you know being
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happy she existed
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SPEAKER_01: not sad that she's gone i had i put a Substack post up with her you know
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memorializing her with a eulogy with her photos so if anybody
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wants to go look back
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into my feed you can see it but she was she was just a very
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remarkable woman and i
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SPEAKER_01: was it's she really she's definitely going to be missed she was
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You know,
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she was she was a source of strength for my wife and I the last
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25 years.
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SPEAKER_01: We always made her a part of everything we did.
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SPEAKER_01: And,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: she just yeah,
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SPEAKER_01: I think she lived as long as she did because we I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: listen,
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SPEAKER_01: we even put her on a smucker's jar when she turned 100.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: like I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: we like the running joke in the family was,
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SPEAKER_01: oh,
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SPEAKER_01: not as one hundred and two today or she's one hundred and three.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, you're still going like there was nothing.
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SPEAKER_01: You just think she's going to live forever.
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SPEAKER_01: And the only she would never cancer.
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SPEAKER_01: She never had any major surgery.
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SPEAKER_01: She what she.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: the typical things that happen as you age,
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SPEAKER_01: like,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: her hearing went and,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: her mobility started to drop a little bit,
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SPEAKER_01: but she never she read and she read everything.
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SPEAKER_01: She read books on her Kindle.
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SPEAKER_01: Like it was her that was the way she stayed active.
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SPEAKER_01: She kept her brain moving and active and engaging.
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SPEAKER_01: She had an 18 year relationship with her great granddaughters.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, both mine and my sister's kids were the same age.
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SPEAKER_01: And then our other my other niece is 14.
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SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, for kids to have that relationship with a great grandparent.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, is is for that length of time is almost unheard of.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Most kids don't even know their great grandparents.
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SPEAKER_01: They die when they're like two or three and five.
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SPEAKER_01: And for my daughter to have that relationship was just truly special.
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SPEAKER_01: And so, yeah, so I'm happy.
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I'm happy that she went the way she wanted to go and she lived
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the life that she wanted to live.
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SPEAKER_01: And she did it her way.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm really glad that your, your daughter got a great grandmother.
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because my kids have great grandparents that are still alive
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now too and we always
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make a point when we lived in Washington State we always made a
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point to go down to
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my wife's grandfather's house and visit and make sure that the
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kids saw and knew
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SPEAKER_00: and met and interacted with their great grandfather their great aunt and
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Now we live right near one of their great grandparents or,
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and,
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or set of great grandparents.
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And it's really amazing because those great grandparents are
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going to be around for
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SPEAKER_00: 20,
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SPEAKER_00: 10,
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SPEAKER_00: 20 more years,
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SPEAKER_00: at least.
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And my kids are going to get to know them until they're in
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their early twenties,
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SPEAKER_00: hopefully at least.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's incredible.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't, I lost my grandparents when I was young, like,
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SPEAKER_00: My grandmother who lived the longest had Alzheimer's,
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SPEAKER_00: so she really wasn't who she was when I knew her,
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SPEAKER_00: and she really wasn't a grandparent to me.
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SPEAKER_00: But my other grandparents,
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SPEAKER_00: one died,
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SPEAKER_00: my grandfather died when I was five,
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SPEAKER_00: four or five,
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SPEAKER_00: and my grandma died early teens,
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SPEAKER_00: I think.
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SPEAKER_00: But they lived far enough away, I didn't get to experience them as much.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm thankful that your family got
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SPEAKER_00: to experience them.
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SPEAKER_01: I think the bigger,
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I think the bigger message for this is we live so disconnected
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from technology
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SPEAKER_01: with,
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SPEAKER_01: because of technology.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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And I think you're seeing it play out politically now where
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people are striving and
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SPEAKER_01: searching for connection.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, I see how even like Walter, your series with these candidates,
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How you're reaching across and really connecting with these
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candidates and giving
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them the opportunity to connect to people is what has been
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missing in our lives for
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SPEAKER_01: the last 20 some odd years.
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SPEAKER_01: We've lost that ability to connect to another human being.
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SPEAKER_01: This fucking thing has become such a problem.
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SPEAKER_01: Yep, they have.
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I just think it's more about we all need to reach out and to
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connect to another human being.
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SPEAKER_01: And this is the segue into the Rape Academy, by the way.
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SPEAKER_01: That was how I wanted to frame this this way.
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SPEAKER_01: Because this is not connecting the wrong way, people.
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This is not like you freaking men out there who are doing this
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shit to your wives
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SPEAKER_01: and your significant others.
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SPEAKER_01: Fuck you.
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SPEAKER_01: Seriously.
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SPEAKER_01: Like you are doing evil shit to human beings and it's not fucking okay.
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I mean,
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I have been wanting to unload on this topic for a long,
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for about a week now.
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SPEAKER_01: Do it.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm like,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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these fucking men that are doing this shit to their wives and
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then selling the
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SPEAKER_01: fucking videos online for $20.
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SPEAKER_01: You know what?
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SPEAKER_01: Fuck off.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: You fuckers need to be in prison.
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SPEAKER_01: That is not how you treat supposedly your best friend and life partner.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And somebody that you're sharing your life with,
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who's probably born new children or is sharing your life with
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you and doing it.
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SPEAKER_01: And you're fucking raping her.
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SPEAKER_01: You fucking piece of shit.
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SPEAKER_02: And the lack of...
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's been no arrests.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, they know this has happened.
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SPEAKER_02: There's the evidences out there.
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SPEAKER_01: We haven't had any arrests.
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SPEAKER_01: It's the same fucking thing with the Epstein class.
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SPEAKER_01: Not a single fucking guy's gone to jail.
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SPEAKER_01: Not a single person's been brought up on trial for charges.
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SPEAKER_01: It's the same shit.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm sorry, but we are all fucking responsible.
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SPEAKER_01: Everybody with a fucking XY chromosome is responsible for this.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, and this is why I'm doing the vote in the new candidates.
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SPEAKER_02: We need a whole new crop of representatives.
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We need new people in power because the guys who have the power
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to stop these
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SPEAKER_02: rapes,
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SPEAKER_02: to hold these men accountable,
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SPEAKER_02: are deliberately not doing it.
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SPEAKER_02: And I'm no longer, you know, they say don't.
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SPEAKER_02: Don't assume malice when ignorance is also an explanation.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm assuming malice.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm just straight up assuming malice.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's like all this ideas of, oh, the redemption arc.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like the redemption arc is complete when all the people
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SPEAKER_02: you hurt have been restored.
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SPEAKER_02: Until then, we're not celebrating.
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SPEAKER_02: We're not celebrating you because you are saying,
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SPEAKER_02: oh,
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SPEAKER_02: I'm no longer,
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SPEAKER_02: I feel bad for getting that guy elected.
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SPEAKER_02: Look,
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SPEAKER_02: when every single crime committed because of your act has been fixed,
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SPEAKER_02: then I will applaud you.
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Before then,
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you're just telling me what your job is,
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what your work you have to do is.
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SPEAKER_00: And to answer the question that's in our YouTube is, do you love Israel?
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SPEAKER_00: I love people from Israel.
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SPEAKER_00: But I do not love the Israeli government.
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SPEAKER_00: I think the Israeli government is causing a genocide in Palestine.
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SPEAKER_00: I think they are massacring people across the world for plenty of things.
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And a lot of the a lot of influence in the US has come out of
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bad policies that the
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SPEAKER_00: Israeli government has enacted.
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SPEAKER_00: That said, that's not part of our conversation.
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SPEAKER_00: Just wanted to address that for a second.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to keep my language pretty on like par for a moment.
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SPEAKER_00: Cause I've got little,
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SPEAKER_00: I've got my nephew in here and I'm not,
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SPEAKER_00: and I'm going to try myself just a little bit.
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SPEAKER_00: He's playing with Legos right now.
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SPEAKER_00: This is disgusting.
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SPEAKER_00: Every single thing about what is happening is disgusting.
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SPEAKER_00: It's also not surprising.
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it's really,
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really,
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really,
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really,
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really unfortunate that it's happening.
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SPEAKER_00: And I cannot say that it's surprising in any way,
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SPEAKER_00: because our society has basically accepted this type of culture,
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SPEAKER_00: rape culture as culture in the US in a lot of ways.
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And it's really,
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really damaging,
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really damaging to everything that's going on.
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SPEAKER_00: And we cannot
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, Evan's back.
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SPEAKER_00: We cannot sit by idly while this is happening.
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SPEAKER_00: We have to be out there loudly.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, we can't hear Evan now yet, but we can see you.
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SPEAKER_00: We can see you.
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SPEAKER_00: Evan's having some tech difficulties.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's one of those days.
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SPEAKER_00: It's one of those days.
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SPEAKER_00: We're going to get him in here so much.
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The throwback Thursday back to the Stone Age where he's using
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those two cups with a
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SPEAKER_01: string between the two.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: And yet it's all traumatizing and triggering for so many people.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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And we have to be willing as men to be the ones who are going
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out front and be the
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SPEAKER_00: loudest against it.
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SPEAKER_00: Because it's not women who need to stand up for what's going on.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, there are women who are traumatizing men.
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The percentage is like one or two percent of the crimes that
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get committed.
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SPEAKER_00: are by women, if that.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a feature among men.
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SPEAKER_02: It's an exception among men.
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SPEAKER_00: It's so minimal that it's almost not worth talking about.
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SPEAKER_00: And I won't say all men at the moment,
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but I will say that there is a majority of men out there who do
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not know how to
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SPEAKER_00: behave in any meaningful,
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SPEAKER_00: rational way as an adult.
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And they are hurting people because they have no concept of
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what emotions are,
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SPEAKER_00: how to control themselves.
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SPEAKER_00: They are weak.
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SPEAKER_00: They're cowards.
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SPEAKER_00: They need help.
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SPEAKER_00: And they've been abandoned and indoctrinated into being,
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SPEAKER_00: some of them may have already been ready for it,
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SPEAKER_00: but many of them were indoctrinated into being abusive pieces of garbage.
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SPEAKER_01: So let me tell a story real quick here.
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SPEAKER_01: And this is,
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SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: so we had this whole,
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this whole thing's been triggering for like the last year and a
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half or so,
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SPEAKER_01: or a couple of years,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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SPEAKER_01: Between Epstein and then this whole Rape Academy thing.
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SPEAKER_01: So I literally had a patient, new patient on Monday coming to the office.
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SPEAKER_01: And I've been dying to talk about this.
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so when i start taking her history she's telling me i mean this
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is this is a abused
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battered broken woman who comes into my office with a swollen
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left small swollen
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left leg can't figure out why she went to the emergency room
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they did doppler
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studies ultrasound and basically you know they basically told
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her oh just go home
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SPEAKER_01: and elevate your leg so she came to see me
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And I'm taking her history and I'm trying to figure out why
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she's so heavily
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SPEAKER_01: medicated on psychotropics.
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SPEAKER_01: And I asked her, I said, cool.
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SPEAKER_01: Can you explain to me like where your depression anxiety is coming from?
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SPEAKER_01: So I have a better idea of how not to trigger you right in the office.
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Cause I know that it's taken a lot for you to leave your home,
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to come see me.
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SPEAKER_01: And I just want to be aware of,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: what's what,
16:25
SPEAKER_01: and she told me that her ex-husband is in prison.
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SPEAKER_01: She's one of the few women that fought back, put him in prison.
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But she's,
16:33
I mean,
16:33
she's 42 and she's traumatized the rest of her life from it.
16:38
SPEAKER_01: And I, and I'm just like, listen, I see you.
16:40
SPEAKER_01: I hear you.
16:40
SPEAKER_01: I, you, your, your trauma is real here.
16:44
SPEAKER_01: And I'm just acknowledging this,
16:46
even though it has nothing to do with what I'm taking care of
16:48
for you for,
16:49
SPEAKER_01: but because I'm a man,
16:51
SPEAKER_01: I understand that this is,
16:52
SPEAKER_01: that this is going to create anxiety.
16:54
SPEAKER_01: If I come in and, you know, so is it okay if I do my exam?
16:58
Is it okay if I,
16:58
you know,
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like,
16:59
I'm literally like going through a whole separate consent.
17:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
17:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
17:04
SPEAKER_01: Just so I don't trigger her.
17:07
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
17:07
SPEAKER_01: And I'm much more aware of this shit now when I'm seeing female patients.
17:13
SPEAKER_01: And I mean,
17:13
SPEAKER_01: the treatment door is always open,
17:15
SPEAKER_01: but it's it's it's just I'm just so much more aware of this now.
17:19
SPEAKER_01: Not that I wasn't aware of it before.
17:21
It's not like I wasn't aware of it before where I'm not
17:24
consciously aware.
17:27
I wasn't consciously aware of the trauma that these women had
17:31
gone through.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: And now that we've gone through all this in the last...
17:36
SPEAKER_01: I've all been exposed and opened up and I realized that,
17:40
SPEAKER_01: fuck,
17:40
SPEAKER_01: I'm part of the problem too and have been.
17:43
SPEAKER_01: So let me start rectifying it with my behavior.
17:46
SPEAKER_02: I was going to say...
17:48
The other day,
17:49
I was at a store with the family,
17:52
and I was going to go use the restroom.
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And I noticed that they had this mirror up,
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and it was right next to the bathroom.
17:58
SPEAKER_02: And this woman was standing.
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SPEAKER_02: And as I was approaching, I'm like, oh, this is going to seem creepy.
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And I was just like,
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excuse me,
18:05
I just need to slip by to go to the restroom.
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SPEAKER_02: Just to kind of like,
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SPEAKER_02: I didn't want to creep up on her and be like,
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SPEAKER_02: have her see me in the mirror and be afraid.
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it was just one of those moments where you're just like you
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just have to constantly
18:15
be a little bit more mindful of other people's you know
18:19
situation and their traumas
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and just try to avoid those situations that could be
18:23
potentially concerning are we
18:26
still having trouble problems with evan it's just nothing
18:29
nothing's working yeah it
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SPEAKER_00: seems evan's having a tough time and i think i just i want to
18:36
SPEAKER_00: I want to say too,
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like the medical field has been historically very prejudiced
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against women or
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biased against women because like studies always say like women
18:46
feel less pain or
18:47
SPEAKER_00: women don't feel the same or have the same,
18:50
SPEAKER_00: they have a higher pain tolerance.
18:52
SPEAKER_00: And it's really,
18:56
it's good that it's good to be aware of what's going on and
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understanding your
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SPEAKER_00: possible impact
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as a provider or as just a person walking through life and how
19:10
much space you take
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up because you don't know about what's going on in someone's
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life and you don't
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SPEAKER_00: know about other people.
19:22
SPEAKER_00: So you have to move cautiously and be aware of the space that we take up
19:29
So that we aren't taking up space that isn't ours or demanding
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space that isn't ours.
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SPEAKER_00: We're traumatizing someone by our presence.
19:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:38
SPEAKER_02: I can't walk around being like, I know I'm safe.
19:41
SPEAKER_02: It's like you have to prove it all the time.
19:43
SPEAKER_02: And I'll cross the street sometimes.
19:45
SPEAKER_02: I wrote an article about that.
19:47
If I see a woman approaching,
19:48
if I'm walking,
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I'll just go give her some space.
19:50
SPEAKER_02: They don't need me to walk right by her.
19:52
SPEAKER_02: I don't need her to be afraid as I'm getting close.
19:55
SPEAKER_00: It's like I could just go do over here better the way.
19:57
I want to mention,
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though,
19:58
yesterday I interviewed two great women candidates.
20:02
SPEAKER_02: I talked to Shelby Campbell again,
20:04
SPEAKER_02: who's running in Michigan,
20:05
SPEAKER_02: and Dr.
20:06
SPEAKER_02: Melissa Bird,
20:06
SPEAKER_02: who's running in Oregon.
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SPEAKER_02: And that's actually been a lot of my response to this Rape Academy.
20:11
SPEAKER_02: I want to help.
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SPEAKER_02: elevate women's positions of power.
20:14
SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
20:15
SPEAKER_02: it's one thing,
20:16
SPEAKER_02: and it is important to come online and announce it and say your piece,
20:20
but just also doing what we can to support women so that they
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can get positions of
20:25
power where they can hold these men accountable because we're
20:27
not seeing it out of
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SPEAKER_02: our current crop of representatives.
20:30
SPEAKER_02: And I'm going to just continue to do that.
20:32
I like being where this is my role in this,
20:35
helping to elevate more women to these positions.
20:37
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's critical.
20:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:43
SPEAKER_00: I think,
20:44
SPEAKER_00: and,
20:45
SPEAKER_00: and being vocal and loud about it and never stopping,
20:50
SPEAKER_00: never backing down,
20:51
SPEAKER_00: like not,
20:53
SPEAKER_00: not taking shit,
20:54
SPEAKER_00: blocking people,
20:57
SPEAKER_00: building,
20:59
SPEAKER_00: building community around each other.
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Listening really is the most important thing right now in a lot
21:06
of ways is
21:07
SPEAKER_00: listening,
21:08
SPEAKER_00: hearing what people are saying,
21:10
SPEAKER_00: and then
21:11
SPEAKER_00: building on that and respecting what people are saying and listening.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: And as I keep saying to people is anything, but yes means no.
21:21
SPEAKER_00: And really you need enthusiastic consent.
21:24
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
21:24
SPEAKER_00: I've been married married men.
21:28
SPEAKER_00: This fucking goes for you.
21:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:30
You people who think that your wife's or your spouse's body is
21:36
yours and you own it
21:38
SPEAKER_00: and they own yours.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: Y'all, that's abuse.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: You don't own a person.
21:44
SPEAKER_00: You don't own access to a person.
21:48
SPEAKER_00: I posted that here on Substack and Threads.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's slavery.
21:55
I posted that on Threads and Substack,
21:57
and the response was so dramatically different.
22:00
People on Substack were like,
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yes,
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of course,
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your body is yours.
22:05
SPEAKER_00: It's your choice.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: You don't have to explain more why...
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SPEAKER_00: You would need added consent as a married couple.
22:13
SPEAKER_00: I've been married for 11 years now.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: I celebrated my anniversary on Monday.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: I've been married for just over 11 years now.
22:20
SPEAKER_00: My wife and I give each other consent.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: And we respect anything but yes means no with each other.
22:26
SPEAKER_00: And people were like, oh, did your wife write this?
22:30
SPEAKER_00: Or does your wife have your balls in a ball sack?
22:33
SPEAKER_00: Or did your husband or boyfriend write this?
22:36
SPEAKER_00: Or...
22:37
SPEAKER_00: oh yeah, I bet your husband's boyfriend doesn't need consent.
22:40
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, y'all, you guys are the fucking problem.
22:45
SPEAKER_00: Seriously, you're the problem.
22:47
SPEAKER_00: You're the problem doing things.
22:52
And I want to comment on the chat that's going on in our
22:57
Substack side is I hear
23:01
SPEAKER_00: you,
23:02
SPEAKER_00: friend,
23:03
SPEAKER_00: in the chat who's upset,
23:04
SPEAKER_00: but I also know that
23:06
SPEAKER_00: Eric did not reveal anything that was personally identifying.
23:11
SPEAKER_00: He would not risk that as a physician and as a person.
23:19
Let's not make false accusations or false claims around what
23:25
Eric is trying to do.
23:26
He was trying to tell a story that is all too common and
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familiar to millions of
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SPEAKER_00: women out there.
23:35
SPEAKER_00: That's
23:36
SPEAKER_00: That's the standard.
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And we have to be able to tell stories without identifying
23:42
people and how we
23:45
respond to them so that we can teach other men to and build a
23:50
better system that
23:51
SPEAKER_00: actually has empathy and equity for people.
23:55
SPEAKER_01: You know, I just need to make a comment.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: And this is not not being I'm not being like male chauvinistic, whatever.
24:01
SPEAKER_01: And this goes across.
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SPEAKER_01: This is male and female.
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When non-physicians tell me that I violated personal health
24:08
information,
24:09
that's not your job.
24:11
My job has always been to protect my patients as I've been
24:14
doing for the last 20 plus years.
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I am more aware of the things that I say on here even more so
24:22
than in a restaurant.
24:24
SPEAKER_01: This is no different than being out in a restaurant.
24:26
There's nothing that I said about this particular patient other
24:30
than I gave her
24:31
SPEAKER_01: age,
24:31
SPEAKER_01: which could be generic.
24:33
SPEAKER_01: I could have lied.
24:35
SPEAKER_01: Maybe she's 58.
24:36
SPEAKER_01: Maybe she's 36.
24:37
SPEAKER_01: Maybe I just picked 42 for the hell of it.
24:40
SPEAKER_01: But that's the whole point is that you don't know.
24:42
SPEAKER_01: It's an anonymous story about a patient.
24:46
SPEAKER_01: I didn't give any details or information.
24:49
SPEAKER_01: I didn't name specific medications.
24:51
SPEAKER_01: I just named a symptomology in a presentation.
24:55
SPEAKER_01: And most of it was about my response to it.
24:58
So for those of you worried about my violation of a patient's
25:02
HIPAA,
25:03
that's not the issue.
25:05
SPEAKER_01: That is so not the issue here.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: And Susan, don't gaslight the issue.
25:09
SPEAKER_01: I know you're in the chat.
25:10
SPEAKER_01: Don't gaslight it because I did not violate HIPAA.
25:12
SPEAKER_01: I know my business.
25:14
SPEAKER_01: I know the law.
25:15
And I know more about protecting patients than most people who
25:19
are not in the medical community.
25:22
SPEAKER_01: So with that, let's share that conversation, please.
25:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:25
And let's keep moving forward because we're trying to break
25:31
down the fucking
25:32
SPEAKER_00: culture of rape academy
25:36
like we have rape academies right now we have men learning and
25:41
boys learning how to
25:42
rape their partner or rape random people what the what the
25:49
actual fuck like yeah
25:51
SPEAKER_00: yeah we we need to we need to address the issue like the real issue
26:00
SPEAKER_00: And we're not going to continue this conversation down this rabbit hole.
26:05
Erica addressed it,
26:06
and we're not going to be gaslit into something that didn't
26:09
happen.
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SPEAKER_00: And we have cultural rape academies, basically.
26:15
SPEAKER_00: We talk about this online rape academy,
26:18
SPEAKER_00: but if you want to talk about real cultural rape academies,
26:20
go to a Christian nationalist church where they teach girls and
26:24
women that they are
26:27
SPEAKER_00: lesser than men.
26:28
where men are the final be all and end all and they can do
26:32
whatever they want
26:33
because men have the inherent power to do it and that women are
26:37
lesser beings and
26:38
that when you bleed you can breed which means girls over the
26:41
age of fucking 14 are
26:43
SPEAKER_00: prime targets for them they don't believe those
26:46
SPEAKER_00: women have the same rights or values or equality or any of that.
26:51
Didn't Dershowitz just came out with something like that where
26:53
he said the age of
26:54
SPEAKER_01: consent should be 15 or something like that?
26:56
SPEAKER_01: 14 or 15, yes.
26:57
SPEAKER_01: What a fucking douchebag.
26:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:01
SPEAKER_00: Can we talk about those?
27:02
Can we talk about the fact that they're teaching boys how to be
27:05
rapists and
27:06
SPEAKER_00: pedophiles through their churches?
27:08
SPEAKER_02: I want to ask just to it's I mean, it's a really triggering and hard.
27:11
SPEAKER_02: So I think I think it's fair that we have these conversations.
27:15
I'm listening to Susan,
27:16
too,
27:16
because in other situations,
27:18
that's an important point.
27:20
SPEAKER_02: So let's just acknowledge that.
27:21
SPEAKER_02: But, you know, and I and I agree with what you guys are saying.
27:24
SPEAKER_02: And I just want it's just so hard.
27:26
SPEAKER_02: This whole conversation is so hard.
27:28
SPEAKER_02: And just I guess I'm just feeling.
27:30
trying to continue to work through through that but yeah i mean
27:33
you'll you'll read
27:33
like a book like a psychiatrist right right and they'll say hey
27:36
there's this case
27:37
study i've changed the details but this is i mean that's pretty
27:40
common um you know
27:42
to just talk about these examples and i know that eric is
27:45
always doing his best to
27:46
try and change this this reality we are all trying to do our
27:49
best i do appreciate
27:51
the feedback and uh i i mean the three of us are sitting here
27:54
thinking about this i
27:55
SPEAKER_02: think that's really important but yeah we do have these
27:58
this is just a hard topic and I think we have to work hard and
28:02
there's just so much
28:03
SPEAKER_02: work that we have ahead of us.
28:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:07
SPEAKER_02: That's all I wanted to say.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:08
SPEAKER_01: There's, I mean, listen, this is a, this is a plutonium conversation.
28:14
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
28:14
SPEAKER_01: That's what it really is.
28:17
SPEAKER_01: And, and this is the Diogenes club.
28:20
SPEAKER_01: This is three.
28:21
SPEAKER_01: It should be four.
28:22
We wish everyone was here,
28:23
you know,
28:24
but the three of us have really tried from day one,
28:28
SPEAKER_01: to,
28:28
SPEAKER_01: to really be inclusive in our thought processes,
28:32
SPEAKER_01: in our conversations about not gaslighting issues that trigger women.
28:38
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
28:38
It's okay to have a conversation that can confront an issue and
28:43
force people to
28:43
SPEAKER_01: think about an issue,
28:45
SPEAKER_01: but we're not sitting here bashing women.
28:47
SPEAKER_01: We're not doing the Joe Rogan Manosphere shit here.
28:51
SPEAKER_01: We're not saying unga bunga women are property.
28:53
SPEAKER_01: We're saying the opposite that we've all been saying that, you know,
28:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:00
SPEAKER_02: I think in the context of,
29:01
SPEAKER_02: yeah,
29:01
SPEAKER_02: like things like the general reality,
29:04
SPEAKER_02: where it's just,
29:05
it is important to make this emphasis that even when we're
29:07
talking about it,
29:08
SPEAKER_02: we have to be protective.
29:09
SPEAKER_02: And I think you were protective,
29:10
SPEAKER_02: but in so many other situations,
29:12
SPEAKER_02: it goes into being abusive,
29:14
SPEAKER_02: right?
29:14
SPEAKER_02: And so even us just kind of approaching that issue becomes triggering,
29:18
SPEAKER_02: no matter how sensitive we are about it.
29:20
SPEAKER_02: And I think a lot of that's it.
29:21
SPEAKER_02: And then, you know, then we get into a chat and it just kind of gets...
29:25
chats are hard because we have a line and i can take it wrong
29:29
this happens to me
29:29
all the time and i can read something quickly and misinterpret
29:32
what's being said
29:33
and become angry and so it's just i i appreciate the emphasis
29:38
susan has a very
29:39
important point in what she's saying that we do and and eric
29:42
knows this point and
29:43
he doesn't we have to protect the people around us and so i'm
29:46
glad it's brought up
29:47
SPEAKER_02: i'm glad that we're we're working through it but also it's just
29:51
SPEAKER_02: and part of this is always acknowledging accountability on our part,
29:55
SPEAKER_02: which we do and doing better.
29:57
SPEAKER_01: Don't get, I mean, I'm just going to say this one more point.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: Like,
30:00
don't gaslight me about releasing PHI when the department of
30:03
justice released all
30:04
SPEAKER_01: of that information on those victims from the Epstein files.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: Like,
30:07
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
30:08
SPEAKER_01: I am like,
30:09
like it's not even close as far as the release of that level of
30:12
information.
30:14
I mean,
30:14
what was released in the Epstein files was graphic fucking
30:17
details.
30:19
SPEAKER_00: and how can one again if there is a mistake and it was if it was too much
30:28
information Eric would have apologized on it let's please move
30:33
on from that because
30:36
we didn't reveal anyone nobody was revealed there was no name
30:43
okay then you can
30:46
SPEAKER_00: If you don't want to listen to the show, then just leave.
30:49
If you're going to continue down this path where you do not
30:51
want to move on,
30:54
you can leave.
30:55
SPEAKER_00: That's okay.
30:56
SPEAKER_00: You don't have to listen to this conversation.
30:58
SPEAKER_00: We're not asking you to.
31:00
SPEAKER_00: We valued your feedback and he responded to it.
31:04
SPEAKER_00: Please don't gaslight him anymore because now that's what you're doing.
31:09
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to deal with this.
31:13
She's entitled to her First Amendment speech,
31:14
and she can say what she wants to say in the chat.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: I'm fine.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: We just don't have to acknowledge it.
31:19
SPEAKER_02: The reality is I'll be thinking about what she said.
31:22
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure all of us will, and we are trying to do better.
31:25
SPEAKER_02: At this point, I need to reflect on that.
31:30
SPEAKER_02: There's other topics we need to talk about.
31:33
SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying,
31:34
what's the difference if I said it was a 42-year-old woman who
31:36
broke her left
31:37
SPEAKER_01: ankle?
31:40
SPEAKER_01: Right.
31:40
SPEAKER_01: What's in, and what's the, I didn't say anything different.
31:43
SPEAKER_01: It's just a different clinical condition.
31:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:46
SPEAKER_02: And we do have to,
31:47
we have to talk about the things that we've seen and the ways
31:50
we've tried to help
31:51
people and what has worked and what has happened because a lot
31:53
of people just don't
31:54
SPEAKER_02: see these things and we hide the reality.
31:56
SPEAKER_02: I mean,
31:56
it started to how we hide a reality about talking when we've
32:00
lost a loved one,
32:01
SPEAKER_02: we don't talk about it.
32:02
SPEAKER_02: Right.
32:02
SPEAKER_02: And we have to have these talks.
32:04
SPEAKER_02: They're hard talks.
32:05
SPEAKER_02: We can do it respectfully and we can respect people's privacy and
32:11
But it's using the anatomy of these interactions that we've had
32:15
and what we were done.
32:16
SPEAKER_02: It's how we become better.
32:18
SPEAKER_02: I do appreciate the emphasis on us being respectful.
32:20
SPEAKER_02: I think we're trying to do that.
32:22
SPEAKER_02: We can always do better too.
32:24
SPEAKER_02: And I just want to acknowledge that.
32:25
So we've heard and we'll- Yeah,
32:28
we hear and we see it and I'm acknowledging it.
32:32
And we need to move forward in our conversation because we have
32:35
a lot more we
32:36
SPEAKER_00: wanted to talk about today.
32:38
SPEAKER_00: And I'm,
32:40
SPEAKER_00: sad that Evan's not here for this part of the conversation.
32:44
SPEAKER_00: I know.
32:45
Because I definitely want to have him here for this part of the
32:48
conversation when
32:49
SPEAKER_00: we have it again,
32:51
SPEAKER_00: is the idea of media consolidation.
32:56
SPEAKER_00: And sorry, I'm just going to do this for a moment.
33:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:07
SPEAKER_02: I want to get back to the media.
33:08
SPEAKER_00: I want to get back to the meeting and it's really distracting right now.
33:11
SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, friend.
33:14
But I needed to end that chain because it was it's a
33:19
misrepresentation of what we
33:20
SPEAKER_00: were talking about and I want to be able to move on.
33:24
So what we're doing to move on is we need to talk about the
33:30
consolidation and the
33:31
SPEAKER_00: conglomeration of things that are going around and the
33:38
attempts to pull the ladder up and take all the life rafts and
33:44
take all the life
33:45
vests and leave us behind and leave creators behind who are
33:53
working their asses off
33:54
SPEAKER_00: to do things or undervaluing the work that is being done.
34:02
SPEAKER_00: Um,
34:03
and this is i'm this is why i'm kind of i'm upset that evan's
34:07
not here is it was
34:12
it's been a rough week for our friend and we wanted i wanted to
34:17
use this time to be
34:18
able to help one us here too and all of the others and evan
34:23
himself too is how do
34:25
SPEAKER_00: we move forward how do we work together so that we don't we don't need to
34:31
SPEAKER_00: continually go
34:32
Well,
34:32
big corporate media or conglomerated independent media,
34:36
you need to be doing more.
34:38
How do we get to the point where we just ignore them and stop
34:42
caring what some of
34:44
SPEAKER_00: these larger platforms are doing and just build our own totally?
34:49
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
34:50
SPEAKER_01: Part of it is,
34:50
SPEAKER_01: you know,
34:50
SPEAKER_01: Nick,
34:51
SPEAKER_01: you know,
34:51
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
34:52
SPEAKER_01: part of it is what we can do is we can not subscribe to them.
34:55
SPEAKER_01: Don't give him don't give them money.
34:57
SPEAKER_01: Don't give them the ability to generate income.
35:02
by what Evan said is yanking up the ladder so that the
35:07
independent creators can't
35:09
SPEAKER_01: help move forward.
35:10
I mean,
35:11
the only one that I know that's really truly helped anybody has
35:15
been Joy Reid.
35:19
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I can't say the same thing for Midas.
35:22
I can't say the same thing for Acosta or Scott McFarlane since
35:30
he came over.
35:32
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
35:35
somebody's going to have to explain to me how Frank Fuglouzi is
35:38
worth the amount of
35:39
SPEAKER_01: money that they're paying him.
35:40
SPEAKER_01: You know?
35:42
SPEAKER_02: And it's deliberate media control.
35:46
SPEAKER_02: I keep saying they bought up all the small papers.
35:49
SPEAKER_02: They're doing everything they can.
35:50
SPEAKER_02: Control the means of expression, the information that we get.
35:54
SPEAKER_02: Kids these days, this keeps coming up.
35:58
SPEAKER_02: I grew up in the area of Blockbuster Video.
36:00
SPEAKER_02: You could see every video every made.
36:02
SPEAKER_02: And there's still libraries where people don't go.
36:04
SPEAKER_02: Kids these days, they get everything through.
36:07
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry?
36:08
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes all you got was an empty box.
36:11
SPEAKER_01: All the videos are out.
36:12
SPEAKER_02: But kids these days,
36:13
SPEAKER_02: all they have,
36:14
they have these streaming services that predetermine like five
36:16
choices in every
36:17
SPEAKER_02: group.
36:17
SPEAKER_02: So their choices are just so taken from them.
36:20
SPEAKER_02: And we can see that.
36:22
Those of us who are old enough to remember libraries and go,
36:25
you can see all of humanity's work.
36:28
SPEAKER_02: Today it's suppressed.
36:29
SPEAKER_02: And I've been doing these candidate interviews,
36:32
SPEAKER_02: the local newspapers,
36:34
SPEAKER_02: the websites that remain,
36:35
SPEAKER_02: they don't share the links.
36:37
SPEAKER_02: They don't want an informed public.
36:40
SPEAKER_02: They want it controlled.
36:42
SPEAKER_02: We see people like Evan who gets stuck doing work for free and
36:46
SPEAKER_02: enriching somebody else,
36:47
SPEAKER_02: and the whole public just goes and supports the known name,
36:51
SPEAKER_02: the establishment,
36:52
SPEAKER_02: the status quo,
36:54
SPEAKER_02: where when these up-and-comers come along,
36:55
SPEAKER_02: they're like,
36:55
SPEAKER_02: well,
36:56
SPEAKER_02: that person will never win.
36:56
SPEAKER_02: They'll never get any support.
36:58
SPEAKER_02: But we don't tell their message.
37:00
The same is true of the whole Democratic Party when they say
37:04
offensive things like
37:04
SPEAKER_02: the country is not ready for a black woman.
37:07
SPEAKER_02: Our job is to make it ready.
37:08
SPEAKER_02: Our job is to make it ready.
37:10
SPEAKER_02: And we do that by the narrative,
37:11
SPEAKER_02: by taking back control of the narrative,
37:13
SPEAKER_02: by spreading conversations that are important.
37:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
37:16
I mean,
37:16
Walter,
37:16
you're the only one that's interviewing candidates at the
37:22
primary level.
37:24
SPEAKER_01: Like I don't see anybody,
37:25
SPEAKER_01: these bigger names interviewing any,
37:26
SPEAKER_01: they're waiting till the,
37:27
they're waiting till the general election set so they can get
37:30
their air time with
37:30
SPEAKER_01: these candidates.
37:31
But no,
37:32
you're the only one that's actually reaching out to a lot of
37:35
these kids.
37:35
SPEAKER_01: I know I interviewed, I did one interview with Shelby and she's amazing.
37:38
And she's,
37:38
you know,
37:39
I really wish her well in her,
37:40
in her primary in Detroit.
37:42
SPEAKER_01: Um,
37:43
SPEAKER_01: But some of the candidates that you brought on,
37:45
SPEAKER_01: the governor candidate for Wisconsin is amazing.
37:47
SPEAKER_01: She's incredible.
37:48
SPEAKER_01: And the last one you did was just Evie, right?
37:54
SPEAKER_02: With Evie, we talked with Shelby.
37:57
SPEAKER_02: Evie and I talked with Shelby.
37:58
SPEAKER_02: And then Margaret and I talked with Dr. Bird.
38:00
Yeah,
38:01
I mean,
38:01
you have done some very amazing work just getting these people
38:07
out.
38:07
SPEAKER_01: And that's what's missing on the left.
38:10
SPEAKER_01: It's getting these people.
38:12
SPEAKER_01: Getting these people airtime.
38:15
SPEAKER_01: Because the DNC is going to suck all the air out of the room.
38:18
SPEAKER_02: And the candidates, they always say thank you because they are shut out.
38:22
SPEAKER_02: And these are the candidates going door to door.
38:24
SPEAKER_02: They're the ones talking to people.
38:26
SPEAKER_02: They get the signatures to get on the ballot.
38:28
And more and more I'm just seeing how the Democratic Party is
38:31
anti-democratic.
38:32
SPEAKER_02: They want to control themselves.
38:33
SPEAKER_02: primaries.
38:33
SPEAKER_02: They want to prevent people from getting on the ballot.
38:36
SPEAKER_02: They want to make it seem like it's a rich person's game.
38:38
SPEAKER_02: And the reality is it's not.
38:40
SPEAKER_02: Dr. Bird said that the other day.
38:42
She says,
38:42
you know,
38:43
we don't have the money they do,
38:44
but they waste it all.
38:45
SPEAKER_02: They think they can flood social media and the television's
38:48
SPEAKER_02: with ads and just waltz into victory.
38:51
SPEAKER_02: But if you're going to door to door,
38:52
SPEAKER_02: you're going face to face with people,
38:54
SPEAKER_02: you're listening to concerns.
38:55
SPEAKER_02: And that's why every time I interview a candidate,
38:57
SPEAKER_02: I say thank you for being of the new generation,
39:00
SPEAKER_02: the ones that actually cares about the people,
39:02
SPEAKER_02: that's willing to tie
39:03
to the people who don't isolate themselves so they never have
39:06
to endure the
39:07
SPEAKER_02: consequences of their bad choices.
39:09
SPEAKER_02: I say that to every single one, and I mean it.
39:11
SPEAKER_02: And I appreciate all the ones.
39:12
SPEAKER_02: And all the wonderful creators out there,
39:14
SPEAKER_02: when we said a couple names,
39:16
SPEAKER_02: if they start elevating candidates,
39:18
SPEAKER_02: I will then go and support them.
39:20
I don't have enough money to do it,
39:23
but it's like I will then support them.
39:25
SPEAKER_02: All they have to do is come to our side.
39:27
SPEAKER_02: It's not like I hate them forever.
39:28
SPEAKER_02: I'm just trying to tell them constructive criticism.
39:31
SPEAKER_02: Please bring candidates on.
39:33
Please allow the American public to know we have a choice and
39:35
we don't have to choose.
39:37
SPEAKER_02: Do nothing incumbents that did nothing when we gave them power in 2020.
39:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and like tomorrow I'll have my first candidate interview with
39:48
SPEAKER_00: One of the courage candidates.
39:50
SPEAKER_02: You interviewed Emily Berge with me, too.
39:52
SPEAKER_00: And I've interviewed Emily Berge with you, I think.
39:55
SPEAKER_00: Did I do Francesca with you as well, I think?
39:59
SPEAKER_00: I don't remember if I've met Francesca yet.
40:01
SPEAKER_02: I did that one with Melissa.
40:03
SPEAKER_02: I did think we did another one.
40:05
SPEAKER_02: Or maybe it was just Emily Berge.
40:06
SPEAKER_00: We've done a couple together.
40:08
SPEAKER_00: But tomorrow I...
40:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we do a lot together.
40:11
SPEAKER_00: I love working with you, Walter.
40:13
SPEAKER_00: We see each other almost every day this week so far.
40:16
SPEAKER_00: It's been incredible.
40:19
And tomorrow I get to meet with and interview a candidate for
40:27
Connecticut 4.
40:30
SPEAKER_00: Let me pull up his name.
40:32
SPEAKER_00: He's one of the Courage candidates.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: And we met with Kira Havens yesterday.
40:37
SPEAKER_00: like me, Walter, and Will Fullwood met with Kira Havens yesterday.
40:41
SPEAKER_00: Oh, you lucky buddy.
40:44
SPEAKER_00: And, oh, I'll be interviewing Joseph Perez Caputo.
40:47
SPEAKER_00: Caputo, yeah.
40:50
SPEAKER_00: And,
40:50
SPEAKER_00: yeah,
40:51
SPEAKER_00: there's other creators who are also doing really good work,
40:54
SPEAKER_00: like Waj,
40:56
SPEAKER_00: Wajahad Ali,
40:56
SPEAKER_00: Danielle Moody,
40:58
SPEAKER_00: Qasem Rashid Esquire.
40:59
SPEAKER_00: He's doing incredible work, too.
41:01
SPEAKER_00: He does a lot of interviews.
41:04
SPEAKER_00: We're...
41:05
The interview we did yesterday with Kira had almost a thousand
41:09
people on the stream with us.
41:11
SPEAKER_00: And that was so incredible.
41:13
And I got an interview request two hours later to get Joseph
41:21
Perez Caputo scheduled.
41:23
SPEAKER_00: And it was, and I'm, boom, that's all we need.
41:26
If there's anyone in our audience who is from Connecticut who
41:30
might want to be part
41:31
SPEAKER_00: of that interview,
41:33
SPEAKER_00: please DM me.
41:34
SPEAKER_00: I would be happy to add someone from our audience.
41:37
SPEAKER_00: I know a couple of people who I may reach out to just as general,
41:40
like our friend Natasha is always an incredible person to have
41:43
on an interview with
41:44
SPEAKER_00: us.
41:45
Will is an incredible friend who is always a great person to
41:49
have on an interview.
41:50
SPEAKER_00: He has some incredibly amazing questions.
41:53
Walter is always a great person for interviews,
41:56
but the more we interview,
41:57
the better.
41:59
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's awesome, Naida.
42:00
SPEAKER_02: Oh, great.
42:00
SPEAKER_00: Jasmine Thomas, tomorrow, Senate candidate from Oklahoma.
42:04
SPEAKER_00: That's incredible.
42:05
SPEAKER_00: Naida, fantastic.
42:07
SPEAKER_00: I can't wait to hear that interview for you.
42:09
SPEAKER_00: That's going to be so amazing.
42:10
SPEAKER_00: Thanks for the pronunciation on that, too.
42:12
SPEAKER_02: I didn't know how to pronounce the name, so that's great.
42:14
SPEAKER_00: I didn't know either until I met with her on Tuesday.
42:17
SPEAKER_00: Naida is awesome.
42:18
SPEAKER_00: Naida?
42:19
SPEAKER_02: Naida or Naida?
42:20
SPEAKER_02: Say it again.
42:22
SPEAKER_02: Naida.
42:22
SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'll make sure.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
42:24
SPEAKER_00: I hope I'm still saying it right, my friend.
42:27
SPEAKER_00: She is incredible.
42:29
We got to talk for almost an hour and a half on the disability
42:32
community platform.
42:34
And we had such a wonderful discussion about the disabling
42:38
effects of war and what
42:41
SPEAKER_00: we can do now to prepare to support
42:45
SPEAKER_00: The service members,
42:46
SPEAKER_00: their families,
42:48
SPEAKER_00: give them a place to land so that when they come home,
42:52
SPEAKER_00: there's a community around them.
42:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Ellie Leonard's amazing.
42:55
SPEAKER_00: She doesn't do interviews with candidates.
42:57
SPEAKER_00: She does so much other work on the Epstein stuff.
43:00
SPEAKER_00: Ellie's one of our superheroes.
43:02
SPEAKER_02: I brought it up to Ellie a couple times.
43:03
SPEAKER_02: She's open to it.
43:04
SPEAKER_02: She's just super busy, and I just try to.
43:06
SPEAKER_02: I try to.
43:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
43:09
SPEAKER_01: publishing all those Michael Wolfe emails right now.
43:11
SPEAKER_01: She did what,
43:12
SPEAKER_00: like 1950 emails or some shit with Michael Wolfe and Steve Bannon or some
43:18
SPEAKER_00: craziness.
43:19
SPEAKER_00: And they're getting submitted to Congress.
43:23
SPEAKER_00: We got our boy.
43:25
SPEAKER_02: Well, there's a couple of them.
43:26
SPEAKER_00: Frederick Pogue.
43:28
SPEAKER_00: Frederick Pogue.
43:30
SPEAKER_00: Frederick Pogue.
43:31
SPEAKER_00: I got a new title, Pogue.
43:34
SPEAKER_00: Oh, God.
43:35
SPEAKER_00: AA sponsor.
43:37
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
43:38
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
43:39
SPEAKER_03: Nice.
43:40
SPEAKER_03: Tell him to call me.
43:41
SPEAKER_03: He keeps ducking me.
43:44
SPEAKER_00: Get him on the Eagle phone.
43:45
SPEAKER_00: Get him on the Eagle Jizz phone.
43:46
SPEAKER_03: He's making me look bad.
43:47
SPEAKER_03: I'm on the phone.
43:48
SPEAKER_03: Cash, what are we doing, bro?
43:51
SPEAKER_00: Cash, bro.
43:53
SPEAKER_00: Dude, you walked into a great part of the conversation.
43:55
SPEAKER_00: I was on a job interview.
43:57
SPEAKER_03: Nice.
43:58
SPEAKER_03: There you go.
44:01
SPEAKER_03: Hopefully good.
44:02
You know,
44:03
I mean,
44:03
I,
44:04
I did,
44:05
I,
44:05
I did good,
44:06
but you know,
44:07
ultimately one,
44:08
there can be only one.
44:09
SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
44:11
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
44:12
SPEAKER_03: Highlander reference.
44:14
SPEAKER_03: That's what we do.
44:15
SPEAKER_03: I'm hoping I'm that one, but we'll see, you know, good.
44:19
SPEAKER_03: Nothing else.
44:19
SPEAKER_03: It's like, you know, it's like,
44:22
SPEAKER_02: Somebody says that poem is always in my head when I see Fred.
44:25
SPEAKER_02: I made you a legend, man.
44:27
SPEAKER_02: You were already, no, you were already a legend.
44:29
SPEAKER_02: I made you into a god.
44:31
SPEAKER_02: That's what we'll say.
44:32
SPEAKER_03: I'm a legend in my own mind, baby.
44:36
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to do another version of that.
44:37
I'm just going to record it by itself and send you the,
44:39
you can make it your ringtone.
44:41
So then you just listen to the whole seven minute thing anytime
44:43
somebody calls you.
44:47
that should be your answering machine yeah just a long song
44:51
with the background of
44:52
like chanting in the back frederick i was so happy about that
44:55
that was so funny
44:56
dude it's i'm like i was like this would be amazing if it
45:01
wasn't written about me
45:01
because i'm because like i'm all i'm already like
45:05
self-conscious about like can i
45:06
SPEAKER_03: like this because it's written really well you know
45:10
Like if I was written about Nick,
45:12
I'd be like,
45:12
oh,
45:12
this is the greatest thing ever.
45:15
SPEAKER_01: You're not in Congress.
45:16
SPEAKER_01: It's like polymarket.
45:17
SPEAKER_01: You can bet on yourself.
45:18
SPEAKER_01: It's okay.
45:19
SPEAKER_02: That's just how I see you, Fred.
45:22
SPEAKER_02: That's just how I see you in my mind.
45:23
SPEAKER_02: I wanted to share that with you.
45:27
SPEAKER_03: Well, the reality is somewhat disappointing.
45:32
SPEAKER_03: I mean, you know, it's like, are you manly?
45:36
SPEAKER_03: Yes, but then I also can hurt my knees.
45:40
SPEAKER_02: Just try to be the way.
45:41
SPEAKER_02: This is my,
45:42
SPEAKER_02: as a father,
45:42
SPEAKER_02: I saw how my kids looked at me and I'm like,
45:44
SPEAKER_02: I don't deserve that,
45:45
SPEAKER_02: but I'm going to try to be worthy of the love you're giving me.
45:48
SPEAKER_03: There it is.
45:49
SPEAKER_02: That's what you do, Fred.
45:51
SPEAKER_02: I just set the standard for you.
45:53
SPEAKER_02: There we go.
45:53
SPEAKER_02: Get your armor.
45:54
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
45:55
SPEAKER_03: So what's going on today, man?
45:58
SPEAKER_03: You know,
45:59
SPEAKER_03: apparently Trump put out a...
46:01
Evan's having technical difficulties and he's re-traumatizing
46:05
his entire tech
46:06
SPEAKER_01: services over there.
46:08
and yeah there's days where you just set it off you just shut
46:10
it off and go do
46:11
something else that might be yeah no like well it's it dude the
46:15
castle rock and the
46:16
springs forget it like it's just no the internet's i'm
46:22
surprised like i'm surprised
46:23
i get as good an internet service as i do you know it's
46:27
terrible tapping off your
46:28
SPEAKER_01: neighbor right probably i mean a little bit
46:33
SPEAKER_03: Wait, what?
46:35
SPEAKER_03: No.
46:35
SPEAKER_03: I would never.
46:36
SPEAKER_03: I would never do that, but you thought of it, so we'll do it.
46:39
SPEAKER_01: That's because I'm actually doing it right now.
46:41
SPEAKER_01: No, man.
46:43
SPEAKER_02: He's got a work creator.
46:46
SPEAKER_02: He's got a paid subscription to help us buy our own internet.
46:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Fred can buy his own internet with a paid subscription.
46:54
SPEAKER_00: With your help today, Frederick Pogue with his internet.
46:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Frederick Pogue.
46:59
SPEAKER_00: I'm just going to comment on what's happening in the chat right now,
47:02
SPEAKER_00: which is a good thing that's going on in the chat.
47:05
It looks like the DOJ inspector general is launching an
47:08
investigation into the
47:10
SPEAKER_00: handling of the Epstein files by Pam Bondi.
47:12
SPEAKER_00: And Blanche, it says.
47:13
SPEAKER_00: And Todd Blanche.
47:16
SPEAKER_01: What?
47:16
SPEAKER_00: Inspector general coming for the win.
47:20
SPEAKER_00: Someone's doing accountability right now?
47:23
SPEAKER_00: Holy shit.
47:25
arrest somebody though they've released enough that shows
47:28
people just arrest some
47:30
like pilot or some banker like somebody who's not a pilot just
47:33
arrest somebody like
47:34
what they did in Minnesota where they issued that warrant for
47:37
the guy they issued a
47:38
warrant for like a guy for showing his gun it's not even the
47:41
murder cases just do
47:42
that yeah it's brandishing it's literally it's literally called
47:46
brandishing arrest
47:47
him for that shit what it sounds like Aaron maybe Aaron Parnas
47:53
put out an article
47:54
SPEAKER_00: about it too
47:56
SPEAKER_03: Well, no, here's the thing, guys.
47:57
SPEAKER_03: Yes, they may have, you know, they may have R-worded children.
48:03
SPEAKER_03: There might even be cannibalism.
48:05
But until we find out they took a penny from the take a penny
48:09
jar that they didn't
48:10
SPEAKER_03: deserve,
48:11
SPEAKER_02: nobody can be arrested.
48:14
SPEAKER_03: Like, they're right there.
48:15
SPEAKER_03: They're right there, you know.
48:17
SPEAKER_02: I'm just so tired of them announcing they're about to launch it.
48:21
SPEAKER_02: And it's like, what the, you're only now launching an investigation.
48:25
SPEAKER_02: It's like when,
48:26
SPEAKER_02: when they didn't have anything ready to go,
48:28
SPEAKER_02: like when they were one minute late on releasing those files,
48:31
they should have had the shit ready to go to file at one minute
48:35
after they were
48:35
SPEAKER_02: late.
48:36
SPEAKER_02: They waited like a whole month.
48:37
SPEAKER_02: You can't wait a whole month.
48:38
SPEAKER_02: You knew they weren't going to release it.
48:40
SPEAKER_01: Well, think about it because there's so much revolt.
48:43
SPEAKER_01: There's so much internal civil war and MAGA.
48:47
And that they realizing now that Trump is really just a lame
48:49
duck president.
48:51
SPEAKER_01: So there's nothing to be afraid of him anymore.
48:54
SPEAKER_01: Right.
48:54
SPEAKER_01: His power is just,
48:55
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
48:55
SPEAKER_01: when you're at 32 to 36%,
48:58
you don't have shit to Shinola to rub two coins together as far
49:01
as power and
49:01
SPEAKER_01: control goes anymore.
49:03
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I love that phrase.
49:06
SPEAKER_03: I love that phrase, by the way, you know, it's like,
49:09
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, my dad used to say that all the time.
49:12
SPEAKER_01: My other favorite one is what you tell people like your kids.
49:15
If you're looking for sympathy,
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it's between shit and syphilis in the dictionary.
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SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: You know what's funny?
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SPEAKER_01: It's kind of a showstopper.
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SPEAKER_01: It kind of ends the conversation.
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SPEAKER_01: I was talking to a buddy of mine the other day.
49:37
SPEAKER_03: And,
49:38
SPEAKER_03: you know,
49:38
SPEAKER_03: they got all these videos coming out,
49:40
SPEAKER_03: all this stuff about like Gen X is this and they're this psychologically.
49:43
SPEAKER_03: And it's like, yeah, that's fine.
49:44
SPEAKER_03: Whatever.
49:45
SPEAKER_03: We don't care.
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SPEAKER_03: But I was talking to him.
49:47
SPEAKER_03: I said,
49:48
SPEAKER_03: man,
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how did we go from like supposedly this as a generation to like
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everybody behind
49:53
SPEAKER_03: us?
49:53
SPEAKER_03: And we're so different.
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SPEAKER_03: Like I wasn't saying like,
49:56
SPEAKER_03: oh,
49:56
SPEAKER_03: millennials and Gen Z suck because every generation has their thing.
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SPEAKER_03: I said, but how is it like we're still like, I mean, it's like Stark.
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SPEAKER_03: And he goes, oh, because they had parents who loved them.
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who did the next generations did after yeah he said yeah gen x
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didn't have parents
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that loved him yeah that's okay that does make sense yeah i
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always say that too
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when people pick on the generations i'm like well you raised
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them that's an
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indictment of you it's like i think my kids are better than me
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because i was a good
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fucking dad so quit picking on the kids yeah and you know i
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find it funny because i
50:29
SPEAKER_03: laughed at that joke i thought it was hilarious
50:32
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm my biggest fan.
50:34
SPEAKER_03: I'm Gen X.
50:35
SPEAKER_02: Nothing makes me happier than finding something I forgot I wrote.
50:38
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, finally, something good I can read.
50:40
SPEAKER_00: Look at this good stuff.
50:44
SPEAKER_03: Oh, my God.
50:45
SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
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SPEAKER_03: My dad loved me in his own way, which was dysfunctional and toxic.
50:51
SPEAKER_01: Thank you to Aaron Parnett.
50:53
SPEAKER_03: Good, good.
50:54
SPEAKER_03: I'm glad.
50:55
SPEAKER_01: Holy shit.
50:57
SPEAKER_02: What's going on, Chris?
50:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's crazy.
51:01
SPEAKER_00: What is that?
51:01
Investigation into the handling of Epstein files as Maxwell
51:05
pardon talks escalate.
51:08
SPEAKER_01: If he pardons her, seriously?
51:13
SPEAKER_00: The country better shut the fuck down.
51:15
SPEAKER_00: He pardons her, the country needs to fucking shut down.
51:17
SPEAKER_01: It should have done that a long time ago, honestly.
51:21
SPEAKER_01: A child molester sex trafficker who's a woman.
51:26
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you're going to partner.
51:27
SPEAKER_03: He'll partner.
51:29
SPEAKER_03: Like, it's going to happen.
51:30
SPEAKER_03: Like, because with Trump, all he wants is...
51:33
SPEAKER_03: I'm not going to protect him, by the way.
51:35
No,
51:35
it's going to open it up so she can say whatever the fuck he
51:38
wants about him.
51:39
SPEAKER_00: There's a double-edged sword.
51:41
SPEAKER_00: He's an idiot,
51:41
SPEAKER_00: and I hope he does it just so that she can come out and be like,
51:46
SPEAKER_00: well,
51:46
SPEAKER_00: they did all these things here.
51:48
SPEAKER_00: You can't touch me anymore.
51:49
SPEAKER_00: So here's every single fucking thing that happened.
51:52
SPEAKER_03: The one truthful thing I ever heard Michael Cohen say...
51:55
SPEAKER_03: was talking about Trump and he says, he's not this grand strategist.
51:59
SPEAKER_03: He literally doesn't think five past.
52:01
SPEAKER_03: Oh no.
52:02
SPEAKER_03: He's in the present.
52:03
SPEAKER_03: That's white supremacy.
52:04
SPEAKER_02: White supremacy only exists in the minus two seconds.
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They will hurt you one day,
52:11
and then the next day they're like,
52:12
oh,
52:13
that was the past.
52:14
SPEAKER_02: I want a whole clean slate.
52:15
SPEAKER_02: They demand, and they don't accept any consequences.
52:18
SPEAKER_02: And that's why we've been saying,
52:19
SPEAKER_02: it's like,
52:19
SPEAKER_02: I'll forgive you once you've repaired all the damage you've done.
52:22
SPEAKER_02: But until then, you just got your workload.
52:24
SPEAKER_02: Does it feel,
52:25
SPEAKER_02: though,
52:25
SPEAKER_02: I wanted to say,
52:26
does it feel like we hit the pinnacle when we were threatening
52:28
the nuclear strikes
52:29
SPEAKER_02: and we're coming down the mountain?
52:31
I mean,
52:31
at least pardoning Maxwell is not like nuclear annihilating a
52:34
whole country.
52:36
SPEAKER_02: What do you guys think?
52:36
SPEAKER_03: I mean, at this point, it's, you know, it's just like, oh, okay.
52:40
SPEAKER_03: You're just confirming what we already know.
52:43
SPEAKER_02: It's so desperate.
52:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
52:45
SPEAKER_02: Nuclear strikes was the escalation.
52:47
He's trying to still do something,
52:48
but everything's smaller than that nuclear threat.
52:51
SPEAKER_03: If this guy can get five more minutes of non-accountability, he'll do it.
52:56
SPEAKER_03: And even though like for us,
52:58
SPEAKER_03: you know,
52:58
SPEAKER_03: we're saying people who,
53:00
SPEAKER_03: man,
53:00
SPEAKER_03: if I do this,
53:01
SPEAKER_03: it's just going to be harder later.
53:03
SPEAKER_03: Because part of the thing about becoming an adult is,
53:06
SPEAKER_03: at least a reasonable adult,
53:07
SPEAKER_03: is you're like,
53:08
SPEAKER_03: man,
53:08
SPEAKER_03: I better own up to this or it's just going to keep getting worse.
53:11
SPEAKER_03: I mean,
53:11
SPEAKER_03: how many movies and TV shows have been like,
53:15
SPEAKER_03: you know,
53:16
SPEAKER_03: Gabe,
53:16
SPEAKER_03: if you just come clean,
53:19
SPEAKER_03: it's going to be better.
53:20
SPEAKER_03: World War II.
53:23
SPEAKER_01: It ends in a bunker because these guys can't take it.
53:26
SPEAKER_01: This is corporate America and every drug policy that they have.
53:29
SPEAKER_01: If you're addicted, come clean before we find...
53:33
SPEAKER_01: If you come to us, we'll help you.
53:35
SPEAKER_01: But if we find out about it, you're fucked.
53:37
SPEAKER_01: Right.
53:39
SPEAKER_03: And that's it.
53:40
It's just this...
53:42
And again,
53:42
it's always that,
53:43
well,
53:43
boy,
53:44
I learned something today.
53:45
SPEAKER_03: Gee, I hope you did.
53:46
SPEAKER_03: But again...
53:51
SPEAKER_02: That's an exceptional day.
53:53
SPEAKER_02: I learned 50 things today.
53:55
SPEAKER_02: I learned that's a slow day.
53:57
SPEAKER_03: You know, I say that half like being tongue-in-cheek.
54:00
SPEAKER_03: We are going to freaking see this from MAGA.
54:03
SPEAKER_03: It's like, who could have known?
54:05
SPEAKER_03: Everybody that was trying to...
54:08
SPEAKER_02: Everybody said it.
54:11
This corrupt media is going to push hard that forgiveness
54:14
bullshit narrative.
54:15
SPEAKER_02: We got to get ahead of that.
54:17
SPEAKER_02: Once all the pain, once people have been restored... Five words.
54:21
SPEAKER_01: We fucking told you so.
54:26
SPEAKER_03: I like how you put the so in it.
54:30
SPEAKER_03: That's that little bit of salt at the end of it.
54:32
SPEAKER_03: You told you so.
54:32
SPEAKER_03: There
54:38
told you it's not a good note it's so i haven't been made whole
54:41
i'm not gonna
54:42
forgive until i've been made whole and all that's been done
54:46
something you'd be like
54:48
SPEAKER_01: so like oh you're violating pha so also there is like there's no the
55:00
SPEAKER_00: These people just fucking suck.
55:01
SPEAKER_03: I was thinking about something like, and I'm just like, just suck less.
55:09
SPEAKER_00: Just suck less.
55:10
SPEAKER_00: Just suck less.
55:11
SPEAKER_01: When they come to you with this bullshit,
55:17
SPEAKER_03: when they come to you with this bullshit,
55:18
SPEAKER_03: because here's what I got to do,
55:20
SPEAKER_03: is they say,
55:20
SPEAKER_03: man,
55:21
SPEAKER_03: oh,
55:21
SPEAKER_03: I got conned.
55:23
SPEAKER_03: Hey, do you guys forgive me?
55:25
SPEAKER_03: Are you going to follow Tucker Carlson now?
55:27
SPEAKER_03: He's got some good ideas.
55:29
SPEAKER_03: Go away.
55:30
SPEAKER_03: Go away.
55:32
SPEAKER_00: I've got two fingers and you can look at both of them.
55:35
SPEAKER_00: Go the fuck away.
55:37
SPEAKER_00: Tucker Carlson, that shit is just dumb.
55:41
SPEAKER_03: They will find the next false prophet.
55:43
SPEAKER_03: The next asshole.
55:45
SPEAKER_01: They don't have to change.
55:46
SPEAKER_01: He's betting.
55:48
SPEAKER_01: He's doing his own little polymarket.
55:50
SPEAKER_01: He's betting on the future that
55:53
SPEAKER_01: that obviously when,
55:54
when Trump goes bye-bye whenever that there's going to be a
55:57
massive void and he
55:58
SPEAKER_01: wants to inherit
56:00
SPEAKER_01: The mega inner circle power control.
56:03
SPEAKER_01: And that's what he's playing on.
56:04
SPEAKER_01: That's what he's doing right now.
56:05
SPEAKER_01: It's just like Kinzinger.
56:05
SPEAKER_02: He's following the Kinzinger.
56:07
SPEAKER_02: And I'm telling you, I just posted today.
56:09
SPEAKER_02: It's like, why isn't the regime going after Kinzinger and Cheney?
56:12
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, this regime goes after everybody else.
56:15
SPEAKER_02: Why aren't they mad at those two?
56:16
SPEAKER_02: And it's like,
56:17
maybe because they did the job that they were put there to do
56:20
and they sabotaged
56:20
SPEAKER_02: the J6 committee.
56:22
SPEAKER_02: I'm just asking questions as the right says.
56:25
SPEAKER_02: I'm just asking questions.
56:27
SPEAKER_02: I got it.
56:31
SPEAKER_02: There was a lot.
56:32
SPEAKER_02: It's not just one person.
56:33
SPEAKER_02: There is a whole structure that enables this.
56:35
SPEAKER_02: Every single one of those guys got to go vote in the primaries.
56:39
SPEAKER_02: It all comes back to why I'm interviewing these candidates.
56:41
SPEAKER_02: We got to swap out our government for a government that works.
56:44
SPEAKER_02: Come on, everybody, help me.
56:46
SPEAKER_03: Here's my take on Kinzinger and Cheney and those kind of types.
56:55
SPEAKER_03: And this is going to be the more dangerous part.
56:57
SPEAKER_03: They're going to say...
56:59
SPEAKER_03: MAGA's bad.
57:01
SPEAKER_03: Yes, I agree with you there.
57:03
SPEAKER_03: So we have to go back to normal.
57:05
SPEAKER_03: And the problem is, what does that mean?
57:08
SPEAKER_03: What does normal mean?
57:10
SPEAKER_03: Is it corporatism?
57:12
SPEAKER_03: Is it where,
57:13
SPEAKER_03: you know,
57:13
SPEAKER_03: we go back to that where it's kind of like MAGA-lite or Republican-lite,
57:18
SPEAKER_03: where it's neocon stuff?
57:20
SPEAKER_03: Because that didn't work at all.
57:23
SPEAKER_03: It funneled a lot of money up to the rich.
57:25
SPEAKER_02: It's got to be progressive.
57:26
SPEAKER_02: We've got to go to progressive.
57:27
SPEAKER_02: Right.
57:28
SPEAKER_03: You know,
57:28
SPEAKER_03: it's like,
57:29
SPEAKER_03: I mean,
57:29
SPEAKER_03: it's funny because if you describe exactly what FDR did,
57:32
SPEAKER_03: they're like,
57:33
SPEAKER_03: that's socialism.
57:34
SPEAKER_03: It's literally FDR.
57:36
SPEAKER_02: Eisenhower too.
57:37
SPEAKER_02: Like everything is Eisenhower's platform.
57:40
SPEAKER_02: You know?
57:40
If you describe the liberal consensus of the 50s and you
57:43
actually have the temerity
57:44
SPEAKER_03: to put in like people of color and gays,
57:46
SPEAKER_03: you know,
57:47
SPEAKER_03: LGBTQ and women,
57:48
SPEAKER_03: oh my God,
57:49
SPEAKER_03: it's communism.
57:50
SPEAKER_03: It's like, no, dude, we've done this.
57:52
SPEAKER_03: We've literally done this.
57:53
SPEAKER_03: We're literally just expanding the access.
57:55
SPEAKER_03: That's it.
57:57
SPEAKER_00: That's all.
57:59
SPEAKER_00: The thing with Tucker Carlson and folks like that is,
58:01
SPEAKER_00: one,
58:02
SPEAKER_00: I think he's betting,
58:03
SPEAKER_00: obviously,
58:03
SPEAKER_00: that he could run for president,
58:05
SPEAKER_00: say,
58:06
as an America First candidate with someone like Marjorie Taylor
58:09
Greene as his VP
58:12
SPEAKER_02: candidate.
58:15
Because they are turning themselves into not an anti-Trump,
58:20
but an isolationist MAGA.
58:23
SPEAKER_00: And
58:24
SPEAKER_00: That is where a lot of the MAGA folks actually are at,
58:28
SPEAKER_00: is they want real isolationism in the worst ways possible.
58:33
SPEAKER_00: And it's because MAGA people like,
58:36
people like this like to insert themselves into the holes in
58:39
society that nobody
58:40
SPEAKER_00: wants them to,
58:41
SPEAKER_00: and they never ask for permission,
58:43
SPEAKER_00: and they do it over because they're abusers,
58:45
SPEAKER_00: and they just put themselves where nobody wants them,
58:48
SPEAKER_00: and they say,
58:49
SPEAKER_00: I don't care what you have to say or think or do,
58:52
SPEAKER_00: and I'm going to just fuck you.
58:54
SPEAKER_03: Bro, why you got to do this to me, man?
58:56
SPEAKER_03: Like,
58:56
SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to enjoy my coffee,
58:57
SPEAKER_03: and you mentioned,
58:58
SPEAKER_03: you know,
58:58
SPEAKER_03: Marjorie Taylor Greene,
58:59
SPEAKER_03: and suddenly all my gastrointestinal starts wearing up a little bit.
59:04
SPEAKER_03: Me.
59:05
SPEAKER_03: You know, I'm like, oh, my goodness.
59:09
SPEAKER_03: I forgot she existed.
59:11
SPEAKER_00: I'm so glad we don't hear from her anymore.
59:15
SPEAKER_00: Oh, my God.
59:15
SPEAKER_03: Isn't it amazing?
59:17
SPEAKER_00: Next can we get rid of some of these other assholes?
59:19
SPEAKER_00: It's crickets.
59:20
SPEAKER_03: It's crickets.
59:22
i'm literally i'm literally gonna cry tears of joy when you
59:27
know i see politicians
59:28
get back to well that's why i want to pass hr 171 which
59:32
guarantees access for
59:34
biodegradable toothbrushes for homeless veterans it's like like
59:39
i want to get back
59:40
to that boring crap where it's just like well that's what we
59:42
need to get back to is
59:43
SPEAKER_01: we got to get back to policy talks and having
59:47
SPEAKER_01: conscripted arguments on whether or not we're going to spend $2 billion,
59:52
whether because we want to give clean water to Alaskan Native
59:56
Americans who are
59:57
living in squalor and up there versus giving $2 billion to
1:00:03
Northrop Grumman to
1:00:04
SPEAKER_01: build another fucking missile.
1:00:06
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:00:06
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:00:08
We've got to force them because we have this media that focuses
1:00:12
on the spectacle of
1:00:12
SPEAKER_02: violence or the spectacle of absurdity.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_02: We need to focus on the enablers.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_02: They are the greater criminals.
1:00:19
SPEAKER_02: You know, the puppet masters who send their foot soldiers to kill.
1:00:22
SPEAKER_02: And then they train up another group of foot soldiers.
1:00:25
SPEAKER_02: It's like we allow the media to distract us from the real problem.
1:00:28
SPEAKER_02: Oh, we held up Swalwell.
1:00:29
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's taken care of.
1:00:30
SPEAKER_02: No, the pipeline that created Swalwell is the fucking problem.
1:00:34
SPEAKER_02: That's what we have to dismantle.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_02: How many more Swalwell?
1:00:36
SPEAKER_03: Lawlers are in Congress right now.
1:00:38
SPEAKER_02: Oh, what?
1:00:40
SPEAKER_02: Yes, everybody who knew about it.
1:00:41
SPEAKER_02: Everybody with a picture of his dick on their phone.
1:00:44
SPEAKER_00: Also,
1:00:45
SPEAKER_00: I put a post out,
1:00:47
SPEAKER_00: and I was very explicit in this post,
1:00:50
SPEAKER_00: and I said it was,
1:00:50
SPEAKER_00: we need one male Congress member.
1:00:53
SPEAKER_00: I'm not asking a female to do it.
1:00:54
We need one male Congress member to put his career on the line
1:01:00
because normally
1:01:01
they would have to vote on something like this and just go on
1:01:03
the floor and name
1:01:04
SPEAKER_00: them.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_00: Put your career on the line, get censored, get kicked out.
1:01:10
You as a male,
1:01:12
one male member of Congress needs to be the person to do it.
1:01:18
SPEAKER_00: Why?
1:01:19
SPEAKER_00: Because females, women, female presenting individuals
1:01:24
SPEAKER_00: LGBTQ+,
1:01:26
the people who are being abused and harassed and tormented and
1:01:31
beaten down are not
1:01:32
SPEAKER_00: the ones who need to stand up and be louder.
1:01:36
SPEAKER_00: They're already fucking loud enough.
1:01:39
SPEAKER_00: You are a male with the most privilege in the world.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_00: You are in the US House of Representatives or Senate.
1:01:46
SPEAKER_00: You have some of the most power in the world, artificial or not.
1:01:51
SPEAKER_00: We give you so much fucking power.
1:01:54
SPEAKER_00: All you have to do
1:01:56
SPEAKER_00: is go on the floor and say the names.
1:01:59
SPEAKER_00: Put it on record.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_00: Don't ask for approval.
1:02:02
SPEAKER_00: Don't wait for approval.
1:02:04
SPEAKER_00: Just do it.
1:02:06
SPEAKER_01: And then they will all get in trouble.
1:02:09
SPEAKER_00: I don't give a shit.
1:02:10
SPEAKER_00: I don't give a shit.
1:02:11
If you start naming,
1:02:13
they can only stop you at some point and you just go to another
1:02:16
microphone.
1:02:17
SPEAKER_00: I don't give a shit if they gavel you out or how loud they are.
1:02:21
Dude,
1:02:21
have some testicular fortitude and sack up and go on the
1:02:25
fucking floor and do it.
1:02:27
End your own career to do it because that's the right fucking
1:02:31
thing to do and it's
1:02:32
SPEAKER_00: the only thing you should do.
1:02:35
SPEAKER_03: To your point,
1:02:35
SPEAKER_03: Nick,
1:02:35
remember when Cory Booker broke the filibuster record and
1:02:38
everybody was like,
1:02:39
SPEAKER_03: oh yeah,
1:02:39
SPEAKER_03: you beat Strom Thurmond,
1:02:40
SPEAKER_03: blah,
1:02:40
SPEAKER_03: blah,
1:02:40
SPEAKER_03: blah.
1:02:40
SPEAKER_03: It's like, why can't you do that reading the Epstein file?
1:02:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:02:44
SPEAKER_03: And you don't even got to do it all alone because you can pass it off
1:02:49
SPEAKER_03: to someone else.
1:02:50
SPEAKER_03: Why can't Democratic senators just start reading it?
1:02:53
SPEAKER_02: I'll tell you why.
1:02:54
And this is an important point of emphasis,
1:02:56
is that we have surrendered the media.
1:02:57
SPEAKER_02: And this is really important because that is also part of it.
1:03:01
SPEAKER_02: But we also need to be able to protect these folks.
1:03:04
Because even if they go and speak it on the floor,
1:03:06
you'll see the media just
1:03:08
trash that person and there is no alternative viewpoint because
1:03:11
the entire media is
1:03:12
oligarch owned the same people that owned our politicians so
1:03:16
it's so important for
1:03:16
you guys to be here supporting us we have to continue to grow I
1:03:20
mean this is a
1:03:20
SPEAKER_02: fledgling we're a seed and they're gonna try and shut
1:03:23
us down too i've been taught when i was talking with kira
1:03:25
havens with the citizens
1:03:26
impeachment we have disregarded the importance of the media we
1:03:29
have surrendered it
1:03:31
we've allowed control to be completely taken over we're not
1:03:34
there's no independent
1:03:35
film anymore it's all these streaming services are the only
1:03:37
people that make film
1:03:38
you know there's no movie theaters anymore they're all closing
1:03:40
down it's like we've
1:03:41
surrendered the the documentary on putin remember he couldn't
1:03:47
get the movie made
1:03:48
SPEAKER_01: here
1:03:49
SPEAKER_01: He had to go to Denmark to get that movie made.
1:03:52
SPEAKER_01: There are independent filmmakers.
1:03:54
SPEAKER_01: They're just overseas.
1:03:56
You just have to go to Europe to get it published and printed
1:03:58
and produced.
1:03:59
SPEAKER_02: The United States, yeah.
1:04:02
SPEAKER_02: The narrative is controlled here.
1:04:03
SPEAKER_02: That is our problem.
1:04:04
SPEAKER_03: I don't know about y'all.
1:04:06
SPEAKER_03: I'm not worried about being in the Epstein Files.
1:04:08
SPEAKER_03: The only reason I might be in the Epstein Files...
1:04:11
SPEAKER_03: given the timeline,
1:04:13
SPEAKER_03: is if him and Michael Wolf were talking about,
1:04:15
SPEAKER_03: yo,
1:04:16
have you heard of this badass ramp manager down in Philadelphia
1:04:18
named Big Country?
1:04:19
SPEAKER_03: Like, I heard he's the best in the business, baby.
1:04:21
SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh yeah, Big Country, man.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_03: He's the baddest man ever.
1:04:26
SPEAKER_03: That's the only reason I'd be in there.
1:04:30
SPEAKER_00: Also, Courtney, you're right.
1:04:31
SPEAKER_00: You're right.
1:04:32
SPEAKER_00: Testicles are weak.
1:04:34
SPEAKER_00: They're soft.
1:04:34
SPEAKER_00: They're weak.
1:04:35
SPEAKER_00: They're easy to crush.
1:04:36
SPEAKER_00: They're easy to smash.
1:04:37
SPEAKER_00: And you're right.
1:04:39
SPEAKER_00: Vagina up, men.
1:04:41
SPEAKER_00: Just fucking woman up and go out there and do the right fucking thing.
1:04:46
SPEAKER_01: I'll fly there and start doing it.
1:04:48
SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
1:04:49
SPEAKER_00: Hand it off to one of us.
1:04:52
SPEAKER_00: We'll do it.
1:04:52
SPEAKER_01: We'll fucking start doing it.
1:04:54
SPEAKER_01: I do public speaking for a living.
1:04:56
SPEAKER_01: I can speak for hours on end.
1:04:57
SPEAKER_01: I am more than happy to go do it if somebody gives me a microphone.
1:05:00
SPEAKER_01: And I get clear to speak on the floor.
1:05:02
SPEAKER_01: I'll be more than happy.
1:05:03
SPEAKER_00: I'm glad I caught you off guard there, guys, with the vagina up thing.
1:05:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
1:05:08
SPEAKER_00: And it's that same thing about, like, when people call you a pussy.
1:05:12
SPEAKER_00: If other men call you a pussy.
1:05:13
SPEAKER_00: And the word choices.
1:05:15
SPEAKER_00: Why we don't do that.
1:05:16
I'd rather be called a pussy because a pussy can take a
1:05:18
pounding and a penis can't.
1:05:20
SPEAKER_00: And testicles can't.
1:05:21
SPEAKER_03: I mean, that's why I'm glad I'm not a woman.
1:05:24
SPEAKER_03: I'm too delicate to be a woman.
1:05:25
SPEAKER_03: That's the thing.
1:05:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're strong as fuck.
1:05:28
SPEAKER_03: I ain't trying to be that.
1:05:33
SPEAKER_03: But like,
1:05:34
SPEAKER_03: man,
1:05:35
SPEAKER_03: what kills me,
1:05:36
SPEAKER_03: man,
1:05:36
SPEAKER_03: is like,
1:05:37
SPEAKER_03: you look at,
1:05:39
SPEAKER_03: it's funny,
1:05:40
SPEAKER_03: because again,
1:05:41
SPEAKER_03: y'all seen that picture with AOC going around with R.P.
1:05:45
SPEAKER_03: Jr. coming up to her?
1:05:47
SPEAKER_03: You know you wouldn't do that to a man,
1:05:49
SPEAKER_03: or you're going to do it to her,
1:05:50
SPEAKER_03: but she gave it right back to him,
1:05:53
SPEAKER_03: which,
1:05:54
SPEAKER_03: you know,
1:05:54
SPEAKER_03: again,
1:05:54
SPEAKER_03: this is probably my toxic masculinity.
1:05:56
SPEAKER_03: I'm just like,
1:05:58
SPEAKER_03: Man, I got such a crush on that woman.
1:06:02
SPEAKER_03: Damn.
1:06:03
SPEAKER_02: And the media doesn't call out Republicans for their constant disrespect.
1:06:06
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they are disrespectful 24 hours a day.
1:06:09
SPEAKER_02: I mean, the maggot they put into the Oval Office.
1:06:13
SPEAKER_02: You don't want your kids looking at that person.
1:06:15
SPEAKER_02: And they don't tell you how he's a bad example.
1:06:19
SPEAKER_01: Let me say this.
1:06:20
SPEAKER_01: I watched a solid...
1:06:23
SPEAKER_01: I watched all basically the last two days, the four hours that
1:06:28
SPEAKER_01: you know,
1:06:28
SPEAKER_01: Bobby brainworm was on,
1:06:30
SPEAKER_01: was on the Hill testifying during his appropriations committee hearings.
1:06:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:06:34
And all I saw was him when it was a female Senator,
1:06:38
just lashing back at them.
1:06:41
SPEAKER_01: He would push back.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_01: Like he pushed back on Chris Murphy a little bit,
1:06:44
SPEAKER_01: but when it was like Patty Murray or it was,
1:06:47
SPEAKER_01: you know,
1:06:47
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
1:06:48
SPEAKER_01: he was just belligerent as shit.
1:06:51
SPEAKER_01: You know what?
1:06:52
SPEAKER_01: And, and, and then when it was Ashley Moody, who's my appointed Senator,
1:06:56
SPEAKER_01: not elected,
1:06:57
SPEAKER_01: appointed,
1:06:58
SPEAKER_01: was like,
1:06:59
SPEAKER_02: well,
1:06:59
SPEAKER_02: Mr.
1:07:00
SPEAKER_02: R,
1:07:00
we're so happy that you're doing such great things to make
1:07:04
America healthy again
1:07:05
SPEAKER_01: and blah,
1:07:05
SPEAKER_01: blah,
1:07:06
SPEAKER_01: blah.
1:07:06
SPEAKER_01: And I'm so far up DeSantis' butt.
1:07:08
SPEAKER_01: And I'm so far,
1:07:09
SPEAKER_01: and because I'm running for re-election,
1:07:11
SPEAKER_01: I have to run so far to the right,
1:07:12
SPEAKER_01: and I have to be part of,
1:07:14
I have so far up Donald Trump's butt that they're going to need
1:07:16
a CT scan to find
1:07:17
SPEAKER_01: me.
1:07:17
Like,
1:07:18
it's like,
1:07:18
you know,
1:07:19
it's,
1:07:19
that's what I'm,
1:07:20
I mean,
1:07:21
this is where we are.
1:07:22
SPEAKER_01: And it's so crazy.
1:07:24
condescendingly fucking disgusting that these people think
1:07:27
they're not on tv
1:07:28
talking where the american people can hear them like enough
1:07:31
they can rely on the
1:07:32
media not to call them out on it so that's another yeah and
1:07:36
that's what it is and
1:07:38
that's why that's why we're here calling out the bullshit but
1:07:42
we're a little over
1:07:43
our hour mark here yeah yeah we're already over wasted wasted
1:07:48
too much time earlier
1:07:48
SPEAKER_01: with our other thing well that wasn't
1:07:51
SPEAKER_02: I'm glad.
1:07:52
SPEAKER_00: I think it was important as a discussion,
1:07:53
SPEAKER_00: but I think it went too far because,
1:07:57
SPEAKER_00: Eric,
1:07:58
SPEAKER_00: I feel like you addressed the point.
1:08:00
SPEAKER_00: I guess the other person didn't, and that was unfortunate.
1:08:04
SPEAKER_00: She doesn't have a show now, does she?
1:08:07
SPEAKER_00: What happened?
1:08:07
SPEAKER_00: She doesn't have a show.
1:08:08
SPEAKER_02: What did I miss?
1:08:09
SPEAKER_02: Let's just leave it.
1:08:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's out there.
1:08:11
SPEAKER_00: Frederick Poe.
1:08:11
SPEAKER_00: Fred's like, what did I miss?
1:08:12
SPEAKER_00: What did I miss?
1:08:13
SPEAKER_03: I got a graham cracker now.
1:08:14
SPEAKER_03: What did I miss?
1:08:16
SPEAKER_02: We're talking about tough issues.
1:08:18
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes it can be inadvertently triggering.
1:08:20
SPEAKER_02: We can get responses in the comments that kind of get out of hand.
1:08:23
SPEAKER_02: It was one of those type of things.
1:08:24
SPEAKER_02: Love and respect to everybody.
1:08:26
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to sit with what she said.
1:08:28
SPEAKER_02: I fully support Eric for what he said.
1:08:32
SPEAKER_02: We can always do better.
1:08:33
SPEAKER_02: That's really ultimately what we're here for.
1:08:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man.
1:08:39
SPEAKER_00: We make mistakes and we fix ourselves.
1:08:41
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you give your opinions and it's like
1:08:44
SPEAKER_03: It comes from a good place,
1:08:45
and it's like not everybody's going to agree with everything
1:08:48
that you say.
1:08:48
SPEAKER_03: Well, we have tools, tableside.
1:08:51
SPEAKER_02: All we can do is hear and try to do better,
1:08:53
SPEAKER_02: and we express that,
1:08:54
SPEAKER_02: and then try to – I try to practice accountability every day.
1:08:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
1:09:00
and we're not dismissing any concerns of PHI or HIPAA or things
1:09:05
like that because
1:09:05
SPEAKER_00: those are serious.
1:09:06
SPEAKER_00: But I know what I said.
1:09:07
SPEAKER_00: But Eric knows what he said, and we all heard what he said.
1:09:10
SPEAKER_00: It's fucking recorded, really.
1:09:11
SPEAKER_00: Everyone in the Europeans was there.
1:09:13
even acknowledged like yeah that was um it was taken out of
1:09:19
hand or taken too far i
1:09:20
just want to recognize all the stuff that's out there and
1:09:23
that's all yeah if it
1:09:25
makes you feel if it makes you feel better i kind of had like a
1:09:29
moment like that
1:09:29
today where i i put out a post i put out a note where it was a
1:09:34
picture of aoc with
1:09:35
SPEAKER_03: rfk i said damn man this is like
1:09:39
and it is to me it's like it was like this is sexy as fuck i
1:09:42
love this because i
1:09:44
love confident like passionate take no shit stand on business
1:09:48
women right it's just
1:09:50
you know and it was just it was like i had one woman comment
1:09:54
and she's she said you
1:09:55
know it's like oh you're sexualizing her i can't hear this is a
1:09:58
betrayal you know i
1:09:59
used to trust you and i took it down because i was like man i
1:10:02
just i don't want to
1:10:03
get into that conversation and i i see where she's coming from
1:10:06
yeah yeah right i i
1:10:08
SPEAKER_03: get
1:10:08
but and the thing about it is man with this kind of topic is
1:10:14
and again this does go
1:10:15
back to the patriarchy is it's like i'm a heteronormative male
1:10:19
i'm attracted to
1:10:20
women i if i was there's a difference between sexualizing a
1:10:25
woman right where it's
1:10:27
like oh yeah she's hot because she has great ass she has great
1:10:29
this blah blah or
1:10:31
it's like hey she has these traits that i find sexy like she's
1:10:35
competent she's
1:10:36
SPEAKER_03: smart she's this
1:10:37
SPEAKER_03: And again, not everybody's going to agree with that take.
1:10:41
And there are going to be people that have been traumatized by
1:10:43
the patriarchy and
1:10:45
SPEAKER_03: that have been sexually objectified that are going to be like,
1:10:48
SPEAKER_03: that's pretty foul,
1:10:49
SPEAKER_03: dude.
1:10:49
SPEAKER_03: It's like, I can see where they're coming from.
1:10:52
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes it's not worth putting it out there.
1:10:56
SPEAKER_00: It's not.
1:10:57
You don't want to have to make yourself seem like that person
1:11:01
who's defending
1:11:02
SPEAKER_00: terrible things,
1:11:03
SPEAKER_00: even if you know that's not what you're doing.
1:11:05
SPEAKER_01: And Fred,
1:11:05
SPEAKER_01: before we got to that point,
1:11:06
SPEAKER_01: we were talking about,
1:11:08
SPEAKER_01: just as a summary,
1:11:09
SPEAKER_01: we were talking about like the,
1:11:11
SPEAKER_01: I was talking about my grandmother.
1:11:13
SPEAKER_01: And then it went into like how,
1:11:16
SPEAKER_01: like,
1:11:17
SPEAKER_01: because we're not,
1:11:17
we were able to talk about people that mean something to us
1:11:20
when we've lost them,
1:11:21
SPEAKER_01: that it's important to talk about that.
1:11:23
SPEAKER_01: And then it went into from there,
1:11:25
I was talking about a patient of mine who I'd seen in the
1:11:27
office who I was very
1:11:29
careful about not triggering her depressive state due to having
1:11:32
been sexually
1:11:34
SPEAKER_01: abused by her husband who's in prison,
1:11:37
SPEAKER_01: her ex-husband.
1:11:39
And I was telling that story and one subscriber person in the
1:11:43
chat just thought I
1:11:44
SPEAKER_01: was overstepping the bounds on PHI and I wasn't.
1:11:46
SPEAKER_01: I never mentioned anything personal about where you could identify her,
1:11:49
SPEAKER_01: but she just would not stop.
1:11:51
SPEAKER_01: But the point being is that
1:11:54
SPEAKER_01: If we can't have conversations that are confrontational,
1:11:58
SPEAKER_01: if we can't have conversations that are really poignant,
1:12:04
and if we as men and women cannot get to the same point where
1:12:08
we can have it
1:12:09
SPEAKER_01: without asexualizing it,
1:12:11
SPEAKER_01: stereotyping it,
1:12:12
SPEAKER_01: gaslighting it,
1:12:13
and it can just be about what the subject is and how important
1:12:16
it is to discuss it
1:12:19
SPEAKER_01: so that we all understand each other better,
1:12:22
SPEAKER_01: We're all on the same page moving forward so that the,
1:12:25
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
1:12:25
SPEAKER_01: I can say definitively that the five of us,
1:12:27
I'm going to throw Evan in here because I know Evan doesn't
1:12:29
feel this way.
1:12:29
It doesn't feel the opposite that the five of us that we've had
1:12:32
and all the people
1:12:32
SPEAKER_01: that Nick's had on the show,
1:12:34
SPEAKER_01: you know,
1:12:35
SPEAKER_01: you know,
1:12:35
SPEAKER_01: I know you interviewed Chris earlier and,
1:12:37
SPEAKER_01: and,
1:12:37
SPEAKER_01: you know,
1:12:37
SPEAKER_01: like,
1:12:38
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
1:12:38
SPEAKER_01: everybody that's been on the show,
1:12:40
SPEAKER_01: Cosm,
1:12:41
SPEAKER_01: Waj,
1:12:42
SPEAKER_01: you know,
1:12:42
SPEAKER_01: everybody that's in part of the show,
1:12:44
we all feel the same way about this subject when it comes to
1:12:49
the abuse of women.
1:12:50
SPEAKER_01: Let me make this very painfully clear, okay?
1:12:54
There is not one of us that has been associated with this show
1:12:58
or any other
1:12:58
platform that we participate in where we believe that anything
1:13:03
that these women
1:13:04
SPEAKER_01: have gone through or any woman has gone through,
1:13:06
SPEAKER_01: and that includes spouses and girlfriends and wives and significance,
1:13:10
SPEAKER_01: should ever be subjected to that level of abuse,
1:13:13
SPEAKER_01: to any level of abuse whatsoever,
1:13:15
SPEAKER_01: period.
1:13:16
SPEAKER_01: Hard stop.
1:13:17
SPEAKER_01: Period.
1:13:17
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:13:19
SPEAKER_03: And I mean,
1:13:19
SPEAKER_03: I think,
1:13:20
SPEAKER_03: you know,
1:13:20
SPEAKER_03: it's funny because,
1:13:21
SPEAKER_03: dude,
1:13:21
SPEAKER_03: I've I've literally I have worked for a digital creator.
1:13:26
I'm not going to name who it is that would take stories of
1:13:31
people that were in the
1:13:32
public domain and monetize them and make money off of retelling
1:13:36
and changing
1:13:37
SPEAKER_03: details so much.
1:13:39
SPEAKER_03: So where one guy literally was like,
1:13:41
he's you know he's like dude i'm an iraq veteran and i'm still
1:13:44
alive and like i
1:13:45
can't believe you did this it's like you didn't even ask me you
1:13:47
didn't talk to me
1:13:47
about it and you're making money off of it and it's like that
1:13:51
legally oh yeah he
1:13:52
could do it because it was in the public domain wow but it's
1:13:55
still an thing to do
1:13:57
you know like that's not even close to what you did right i
1:14:01
just i mean he's
1:14:01
literally naming these people he's literally saying this is who
1:14:04
this is and this is
1:14:05
SPEAKER_03: his story this is what he went through and it's like no
1:14:09
And I just want to say,
1:14:09
too,
1:14:10
there's always times as a writer I say something.
1:14:12
SPEAKER_02: It's not what I intended.
1:14:13
SPEAKER_02: It comes across wrong.
1:14:14
SPEAKER_02: Bad word choice.
1:14:16
SPEAKER_02: I'll correct that.
1:14:18
SPEAKER_02: I'll take it down.
1:14:18
SPEAKER_02: I'll do better the next time.
1:14:20
SPEAKER_02: I did it today.
1:14:21
SPEAKER_02: We are all on the same thing.
1:14:22
SPEAKER_03: It happens, man.
1:14:23
SPEAKER_02: It happens.
1:14:25
SPEAKER_03: It's not my fault I have a crush on AOC.
1:14:28
SPEAKER_03: She's amazing.
1:14:28
SPEAKER_03: What am I supposed to do?
1:14:31
SPEAKER_00: Brad, promote the hell out of yourself, sir.
1:14:34
SPEAKER_03: I'm actually – I did tell another fib.
1:14:36
I am not Cash Patel's AA sponsor,
1:14:39
but I am a sub-stacker at Mrs.
1:14:41
from Middle-Aged Man.
1:14:42
SPEAKER_03: My name is Frederick Pogue.
1:14:44
SPEAKER_03: Frederick Pogue.
1:14:47
I'm also waiting for the breakup post from AOC so I can slide
1:14:51
under her DMs.
1:14:51
SPEAKER_01: Oh, man.
1:14:54
SPEAKER_01: And he's an opportunity.
1:14:55
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
1:14:56
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
1:14:57
SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to shed some of this, but she's so amazing.
1:15:01
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she's amazing.
1:15:03
SPEAKER_00: She is a badass person.
1:15:05
SPEAKER_01: Are you stalking me?
1:15:09
SPEAKER_01: Listen,
1:15:10
SPEAKER_01: she's a very strong,
1:15:11
SPEAKER_01: independent woman,
1:15:12
SPEAKER_01: and God bless you for feeling the way you do,
1:15:13
SPEAKER_01: because we should all have strong,
1:15:15
SPEAKER_01: independent women that we care for in our lives,
1:15:17
SPEAKER_01: like my grandmother.
1:15:18
SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
1:15:19
SPEAKER_03: Oh, my God.
1:15:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:15:20
SPEAKER_03: 100%.
1:15:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:15:22
SPEAKER_01: Eric, watch yourself, my friend.
1:15:25
SPEAKER_01: Dr. Eric Lulove, medical editor for Blue Hat Media.
1:15:29
SPEAKER_01: I am not an AA sponsor, but I hear there's openings.
1:15:32
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot more openings.
1:15:33
SPEAKER_01: Frederick's starting a new company,
1:15:34
SPEAKER_01: so I think I'm going to sign on to be,
1:15:37
SPEAKER_01: you know,
1:15:38
SPEAKER_01: Douchevice's,
1:15:39
SPEAKER_01: you know,
1:15:40
SPEAKER_01: AA sponsor.
1:15:41
SPEAKER_01: But we don't have an NA sponsor.
1:15:43
SPEAKER_01: We don't have a gambling anonymous sponsor.
1:15:45
SPEAKER_01: Who is the congressman that's got bought?
1:15:47
The three of them that just got busted for Polymarket betting
1:15:50
on themselves
1:15:50
SPEAKER_01: through,
1:15:51
SPEAKER_01: what was it,
1:15:51
SPEAKER_01: the other site?
1:15:53
SPEAKER_01: God, or Kalshi?
1:15:54
SPEAKER_01: Kalshi, Kalshi.
1:15:58
Yeah,
1:15:58
I'm just going to be like a Couchie sponsor for Gambling
1:16:00
Anonymous.
1:16:01
SPEAKER_03: I'm going to team up.
1:16:04
SPEAKER_01: At least they weren't betting on other stuff, right?
1:16:08
SPEAKER_03: I'm going to do Pedo Anonymous is what I'm going to do.
1:16:11
SPEAKER_03: I'm going to do Pedo Anonymous and then just arrest everybody.
1:16:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:16:15
SPEAKER_00: So Melissa Corrigan put up something about that.
1:16:19
SPEAKER_00: Somebody put up a site for women to be able to name their abusers.
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SPEAKER_00: They took it down.
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SPEAKER_00: And it got taken down.
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yeah yeah we have online rape academies yeah yeah yeah that's
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some we need to turn
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walter ryan into like an angry chris hansen you know and do
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pedo anonymous i don't
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know why it has to be me but yeah okay i guess i will we'll go
1:16:40
with that you've got
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SPEAKER_00: this like powerful angry thing but it's not like
1:16:47
SPEAKER_00: hateful angry.
1:16:48
SPEAKER_00: It's like joyful passion angry.
1:16:51
SPEAKER_00: It's girl dad anger.
1:16:53
SPEAKER_00: That's what I got.
1:16:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's girl dad angry.
1:16:54
SPEAKER_00: You have this righteous fury behind you.
1:16:59
SPEAKER_00: You're chaotic good in all the best ways.
1:17:03
SPEAKER_02: Oh,
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SPEAKER_02: That's nice of you to say.
1:17:04
SPEAKER_00: Walter, promote yourself too, my friend.
1:17:06
SPEAKER_02: Jump on over to I'd Rather Be Writing here on Substack.
1:17:09
SPEAKER_02: I love the, I mean, just help me.
1:17:11
SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to promote.
1:17:12
SPEAKER_02: I've been saying it's like in wartime,
1:17:14
SPEAKER_02: the textile factory starts making,
1:17:16
SPEAKER_02: instead of baby clothes,
1:17:17
SPEAKER_02: they're making uniforms.
1:17:18
SPEAKER_02: So I'd rather be writing,
1:17:19
but right now I'm interviewing candidates and we're giving
1:17:22
people a choice.
1:17:23
SPEAKER_02: And you guys do have that power.
1:17:25
SPEAKER_02: These candidates are wonderful.
1:17:26
They're sharing the clips and they're helping promote me so I
1:17:29
can promote them.
1:17:30
SPEAKER_02: Collectively, we all get together.
1:17:32
SPEAKER_02: All of you in the chat, you can help.
1:17:33
SPEAKER_02: Help.
1:17:33
SPEAKER_02: Just get more people on board.
1:17:36
SPEAKER_02: Get to know these candidates and believe in it.
1:17:38
SPEAKER_02: Believe in your power, the power of your vote.
1:17:41
SPEAKER_02: Vote your heart in the primaries.
1:17:43
Get out there and get other people to go out and vote in the
1:17:45
primaries because the
1:17:47
SPEAKER_02: establishment is scared shit.
1:17:48
SPEAKER_02: And the legacy media wants us to disregard the primaries.
1:17:51
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's a done deal.
1:17:53
SPEAKER_02: Nothing we can do about that.
1:17:54
SPEAKER_02: But this is why we play the games.
1:17:56
SPEAKER_02: Because even though you're a 50-point underdog,
1:17:58
SPEAKER_02: once the ball's in your hand,
1:17:59
SPEAKER_02: the most amount of touchdowns win.
1:18:02
SPEAKER_02: And that's what we are looking at right now.
1:18:03
SPEAKER_02: We're in it right now.
1:18:04
SPEAKER_02: This is the moment.
1:18:05
SPEAKER_02: We can completely reform our government.
1:18:07
We have a unique opportunity because so many representatives
1:18:10
are retiring.
1:18:11
SPEAKER_02: People are pissed off.
1:18:12
SPEAKER_02: They're not having it.
1:18:16
SPEAKER_02: Vote in the new people.
1:18:17
SPEAKER_02: Come and help me support them.
1:18:19
SPEAKER_02: I love all you guys.
1:18:20
SPEAKER_02: I'll turn it back over to Nick.
1:18:22
SPEAKER_00: Thanks, brother.
1:18:23
SPEAKER_00: And come support me if you can here at Sigilarship Publications.
1:18:28
I have an interview tomorrow on the Banner and Backbone side,
1:18:31
but just suck less.
1:18:33
SPEAKER_00: Like I said,
1:18:33
SPEAKER_00: I have my first candidate interview tomorrow with Joseph Perez Caputo for
1:18:40
SPEAKER_00: Connecticut 4.
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and yeah the more the more and more that we do these interviews
1:18:46
the better yeah we
1:18:49
are going to change congress because the courage candidates
1:18:55
they're organized in a
1:18:57
quarter of all house races across the country yeah if we win a
1:19:04
quarter or more
1:19:06
of the US House of Representatives with progressive courage
1:19:11
candidates who are
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SPEAKER_00: willing to do what is needed for the people,
1:19:16
SPEAKER_00: with the people,
1:19:17
SPEAKER_00: of the people,
1:19:18
SPEAKER_00: by the people,
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emily bergey runs for the people is of the people i'm excited
1:19:24
to interview more
1:19:25
people and see them when we get a quarter of the house of
1:19:28
representatives we're
1:19:29
going to change the country yeah and that's how all the
1:19:31
democrats that is the that
1:19:33
is the tea party moment of the democratic party but better
1:19:37
can't see it take it
1:19:38
down lower lower i don't see what we look what's going on oh
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oops sorry one second
1:19:43
SPEAKER_01: sorry here we go guys this is it donald
1:19:48
SPEAKER_00: Job approval rating down.
1:19:50
SPEAKER_02: But he's not even the enemy.
1:19:51
SPEAKER_02: He's not even the enemy.
1:19:53
SPEAKER_00: It's all the enablers.
1:19:54
SPEAKER_01: He's just against the headlines.
1:19:56
SPEAKER_01: Remember, we follow trends, and the trend line is plummeting.
1:20:00
SPEAKER_01: Plummet.
1:20:01
SPEAKER_02: Perfect.
1:20:01
SPEAKER_02: Perfect.
1:20:03
SPEAKER_01: He's minus 68 on the economy right now.
1:20:06
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
1:20:07
SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
1:20:10
SPEAKER_00: Actually, you'll have to remind me who you're talking about there.
1:20:13
SPEAKER_03: It's a golden age.
1:20:16
SPEAKER_01: The administration is, you don't recover from numbers like this.
1:20:19
SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
1:20:20
SPEAKER_00: You get impeached,
1:20:22
SPEAKER_00: convicted,
1:20:23
SPEAKER_00: removed,
1:20:24
SPEAKER_00: and sent to prison for numbers like this because this is how we get a 40,
1:20:30
SPEAKER_00: 50 seat swing.
1:20:32
SPEAKER_00: If we pick up 50 seats in the House plus the Senate, we win.
1:20:38
SPEAKER_01: We could do more.
1:20:38
SPEAKER_00: We're at a 30% margin right now.
1:20:43
SPEAKER_00: pretty much across the board, of increase towards the Democratic Party.
1:20:47
Not because people like the Democrats,
1:20:49
but because there are candidates worth voting for.
1:20:53
SPEAKER_01: Actually, I want you guys to see this.
1:20:55
SPEAKER_01: This is really huge, okay?
1:20:57
SPEAKER_01: Look at the trend line the last three months of last year.
1:21:01
SPEAKER_01: Lower, lower.
1:21:01
SPEAKER_01: I can't see.
1:21:02
SPEAKER_01: This is the Republican numbers.
1:21:04
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I got you.
1:21:05
SPEAKER_01: Look at the numbers.
1:21:06
SPEAKER_01: Look at where it's dropping to.
1:21:08
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
1:21:09
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
1:21:09
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
1:21:11
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
1:21:11
SPEAKER_01: he's lost from 90 to 25,
1:21:13
SPEAKER_01: but when you go from 93% in August of 25 down to 89% by December,
1:21:19
SPEAKER_01: and I think it's even less than that now when you're,
1:21:21
SPEAKER_01: you're peeling off your base and,
1:21:25
SPEAKER_01: and then the number of independents are,
1:21:28
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
1:21:29
independents have gone from 35% approval in August down to 25
1:21:34
in December.
1:21:35
SPEAKER_01: And that this isn't even this year.
1:21:38
SPEAKER_01: This is just last year's data.
1:21:39
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's bad.
1:21:41
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's bad.
1:21:44
SPEAKER_03: I helped with that, by the way, when I became an independent.
1:21:48
SPEAKER_03: So I'm like a 100,000th percentile.
1:21:51
SPEAKER_03: You're part of the solution.
1:21:53
SPEAKER_00: Fred's being part of the solution.
1:21:55
SPEAKER_00: All right, gentlemen.
1:21:57
SPEAKER_00: All right, all.
1:21:58
SPEAKER_00: Let's go have a great afternoon.
1:21:59
SPEAKER_00: This has been incredibly fun.
1:22:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this has been fun for the Diogenes Club again today.
1:22:06
I think Frederick is going to be coming back more often with us
1:22:11
off and on here
1:22:12
SPEAKER_00: because we need Frederick Pogue in our lives.
1:22:13
SPEAKER_02: This is not a word that applies to Frederick Pogue.
1:22:17
SPEAKER_00: The Frederick Pogue moment of our day.
1:22:20
SPEAKER_00: All right, y'all.
1:22:21
SPEAKER_00: Let's go have a fucking great afternoon.
1:22:23
Everybody,
1:22:23
go rock it because we're done being sick of this shit,
1:22:26
and now we're doing this shit.
1:22:28
SPEAKER_00: So let's take care, all.
1:22:29
SPEAKER_00: Thanks, everyone, for being here.
1:22:33
SPEAKER_00: Bring the women.
1:22:34
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
1:22:35
SPEAKER_00: Thanks y'all.
1:22:36
SPEAKER_01: Have a great one.