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Democrats Ignore the Rise of Socialists in Their Own Party · 3 Martini Lunch – Political Humor & Commentary

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch. Grab a stool next
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Speaker 1: to Greg Corumbus of Radio America and Jim Garritty of
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Speaker 2: to do that. Jim. It's an all bad, all crazy
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Speaker 2: three Martini Lunch today. And there are more tentacles from
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Speaker 2: the fallout from New York's congressional primaries. All three Democratic
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Speaker 2: Socialists endorsed by Mayor Zoron Mamdani one. Two of them
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Speaker 2: won easily, two of them also defeating incumbents, incumbent Democrats.
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Speaker 2: That is, but one of these nominees, and we talked
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Speaker 2: about her yesterday and how she's probably the worst of
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Speaker 2: the three is Dara Liza Avila Chevalier. She is not
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Speaker 2: only the Democratic nominee now in New York's thirteenth congressional district,
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Speaker 2: she is a founder co founder of what's called Quad.
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Speaker 2: Not the grassy part of campus where you'd like to
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Speaker 2: hang out on nice days. It's CUAD, which stands for
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Speaker 2: Columbia University Apartheid divest It's a coalition of student organizations
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Speaker 2: advocating for Palestinian liberation and investment from Israel. But that's
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Speaker 2: not all. They've had a number of different statements about
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Speaker 2: what they're really after here, and one of them says,
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Speaker 2: we are Westerners fighting for the total eradication of Western civilization.
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Speaker 2: We stand in full solidarity with every movement for liberation
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Speaker 2: in the global South. Our intafada is an internationalist one.
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Speaker 2: We are fighting for nothing less than the liberation of
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Speaker 2: all people. We reject every genocidal, eugenist regime that seeks
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Speaker 2: to undermine the personhood of the colonized. As the fascism
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Speaker 2: ingrained in the American consciousness becomes every more explicit and irrefutable,
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Speaker 2: we seek community and instruction from militants in the Global
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Speaker 2: South who have been on the front lines in the
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Speaker 2: fight against tyranny and domination which undergird the imperialist world order.
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Speaker 2: They've also said that divestment is not an incrementalist goal.
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Speaker 2: True divestment necessitates nothing short of the total collapse of
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Speaker 2: the university structure and the American empire itself, and she
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Speaker 2: says to divest from this is to undermine and eradicate
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Speaker 2: America as we know it. So, now that she's won
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Speaker 2: the primary, you have a New York Councilwoman, Vicki Palladino,
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Speaker 2: one of the few Republicans on there, saying, look, all
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Speaker 2: of this is grounds to not seat her in Congress
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Speaker 2: because she's likely to win, of course, in the fall.
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Speaker 2: Palladino says, the oath of office is not some boilerplate formality.
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Speaker 2: It's a legally binding component of our government designed specifically
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Speaker 2: to prevent people like Chevalier from holding office in America.
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Speaker 2: She says, the GOP majority must make it clear that
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Speaker 2: individuals who cannot uphold their oath and good faith will
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Speaker 2: not be seated. And helping to found a group whose
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Speaker 2: stated mission is to eradicate America is the most plain
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Speaker 2: and obvious conflict with the oath you could possibly imagine. Now, Jim,
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Speaker 2: I see two problems here. Number one, there's a decent
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Speaker 2: chance to Republicans. Only two No, with Palladino's idea. One
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Speaker 2: is that the Republicans may not be in charge of
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Speaker 2: the House come January, when she would be seated. And secondly,
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Speaker 2: even if they are, do you think they would actually
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Speaker 2: stop her? They should, but I doubt.
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Speaker 3: That they would.
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Speaker 4: What do you think? A lot to unpack here? To
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Speaker 4: use one of my verbal cliches, Greg, First of all,
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Speaker 4: when you said that there were more tentacles coming out
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Speaker 4: of the New York Democratic Socialist in America, New York
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Speaker 4: Times writer Kurt iken Wold said, where I want to
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Speaker 4: see them, show me the tentacles. So it's an obscure joke.
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Speaker 4: Google it if you don't get it. But when you
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Speaker 4: have person who's likely to become a member of Congress
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Speaker 4: and they say that one of their stated goals is
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Speaker 4: the total eradication of Western civilization, Greg, even Thanos from
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Speaker 4: the Marvel movies kept half of Western civilization intact. Right,
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Speaker 4: that's you're even worse than one of the most notorious
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Speaker 4: villains from the movies ever, total eradication of Western civilization.
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Speaker 4: Like at that number mine, you're not pro America, you're
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Speaker 4: not pro Western like you are saying, please elect me
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Speaker 4: so I can destroy everything you hold dear. That is
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Speaker 4: like I suppose a little bit of truth in honesty.
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Speaker 4: Liberation of all people is one of these stated goals there,
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Speaker 4: greg Would that include the unborn?
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Speaker 2: I doubt it.
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Speaker 4: Would that include people who feel like they're we're gonna
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Speaker 4: have any liberation from high taxes. I'd be very pleasantly
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Speaker 4: surprised if it include if they're willing to protect the
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Speaker 4: people of Taiwan Ukraine. I understand one of the other
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Speaker 4: Democratic socialist in America and said that, well, Russia opposes
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Speaker 4: the Western order, so we're actually pro invasion of Ukraine.
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Speaker 4: Just checking militant, by the way, it's the leftist term
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Speaker 4: for terrorists. Let's keep that in mind. And then I
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Speaker 4: would point out, like what she's going through her list
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Speaker 4: of demands, greg I was shocked that she did not
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Speaker 4: also demand the release of these seven imprisoned members of
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Speaker 4: the New Provo Front, the five leaders of the Liberty
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Speaker 4: de Quebec, and the nine members of the Asian Dawn movement.
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Speaker 4: And you're going through that, and I'm like, oh, that's terrible,
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Speaker 4: that's terrible. The spiral. Then she gets to the collapse
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Speaker 4: of the university structure. Well, at least we agree on something.
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Speaker 4: It's not all bad.
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Speaker 2: Oh man. This is the perfect explanation of why Western
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Speaker 2: civilization is superior and why Western civilization has engendered more
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Speaker 2: prosperity and more freedom than ever because the people that
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Speaker 2: hate it, they want to restrict everything. All they want
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Speaker 2: is power, power, power, and to really repress people. They're
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Speaker 2: not in favor of freedom, They're in favor of them
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Speaker 2: having power instead of the people that currently have it,
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Speaker 2: and they would wield it in a much more abusive way.
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Speaker 4: She hasn't moved. I notice this is the worst system ever.
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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure North Korea you want to get in there.
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Speaker 4: They can, Russia will take anybody. China like you can
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Speaker 4: try some of these other systems that you insist are
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Speaker 4: so much better. And yet you insist upon living here.
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Speaker 4: You have already effectively voted with your feet in the
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Speaker 4: kind of society you want to live in. Nobody's going
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Speaker 4: over there and saying, ah, you ran, you know a
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Speaker 4: fun place to live.
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Speaker 2: Well, Jim. When you have a Democrat winning a primary
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Speaker 2: whose stated goals at least an organization to have the
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Speaker 2: total eradication of Western civilization and the eradication of America,
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Speaker 2: you would hope that there would be some Democrats who
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Speaker 2: would be like, yeah, I know, they just won the primary,
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Speaker 2: but this is absolutely unacceptable in our party. But is
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Speaker 2: that what's happening. No, that is not what's happening, because
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Speaker 2: power is all that matters to these people. First up,
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Speaker 2: Corey Booker on CNN.
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Speaker 1: Given that, what did you make of your fellow Democratic
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Speaker 1: Senator John Fetterman today when he was asked about these
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Speaker 1: New York primaries? He said, the dirtbag left is surging,
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Speaker 1: I believe, is how he described it.
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Speaker 3: Again for me, if you want to heal country, you
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Speaker 3: can't be picking fights. I think we need to understand
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Speaker 3: that our party is not homogeneous. One of the things
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Speaker 3: to make this Democratic Party great is it's a big
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Speaker 3: tent party. Need to stay that way. The focus has
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Speaker 3: got to be the November election.
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Speaker 2: It was even more pathetic over on CNBC as Delaware
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Speaker 2: Democratic Senator Lisa Blunt Rochester wouldn't even talk about the
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Speaker 2: issue at all.
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Speaker 1: Where has socialism ever worked?
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Speaker 3: Senator?
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Speaker 2: Is that another question or is that for the next interview?
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Speaker 4: That's that's Oh, that's definitely for you.
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Speaker 1: You said fish doesn't work everywhere.
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Speaker 2: I just want to know one place where socialism has
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Speaker 2: has been been beneficial.
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Speaker 1: Well, when you have me, when you have me come
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Speaker 1: back on, we can talk about.
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Speaker 2: All the answer so Jim, I'm not finding a lot
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Speaker 2: of profiles and courage here. I know these people already
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Speaker 2: endorsed gram Plattner a couple of weeks ago, so it
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Speaker 2: shouldn't shock us. But when you actually call for the
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Speaker 2: end of the United States of America, it would be
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Speaker 2: nice if they could say something publicly that was a
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Speaker 2: post to that.
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Speaker 4: Let's point out that when John Fetterman calls these candidates
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Speaker 4: the dirtbag left, he did not make up that term.
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Speaker 4: That is not garden variety name calling. Dirtbag left was
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Speaker 4: a self described term for the podcast Choppo, Trap House
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Speaker 4: and Emerge in the mid twenty ten. So this is
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Speaker 4: not Federman shooting his mouth off or being mean or
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Speaker 4: something like that. This is how these people describe themselves.
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Speaker 4: So this is a specific term. Secondly, Corey Booker, we
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Speaker 4: can't be what you say. We can't be divisive, we
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Speaker 4: can't pick fights. What do you think politics is? By
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Speaker 4: the way, when Corey Booker was running for president in
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Speaker 4: the twenty twenty cycle, and again he's another guy who
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Speaker 4: I don't think made it to the actual year twenty twenty,
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Speaker 4: so really it was a twenty nineteen presidential campaign. Every
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Speaker 4: time the Democratic presidential debate would get good because there
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Speaker 4: would actually be some sort of disagreement on some matter
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Speaker 4: of policy, which is what primary debates are supposed to do.
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Speaker 4: You're supposed to hash this stuff out. Corey Booker would
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Speaker 4: call up and say, this is just what the Republicans
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Speaker 4: want to see. Is all this infighting, all of that,
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Speaker 4: and like this is a debate. What did you think
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Speaker 4: you were coming to this? You know, kumbaya group hug.
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Speaker 4: And so it's good to say that Corey Booker has
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Speaker 4: not changed at all in his description of that. No,
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Speaker 4: he is correctly. The Democratic Party is indeed a big
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Speaker 4: tent these days. They have Democratic Socialists, they have regular socialists,
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Speaker 4: and in Graham Platin or they have National Socialists. So
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Speaker 4: you know, all three varieties of socialism are there on offer.
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Speaker 2: I know we just talked about James Tallarico earlier in
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Speaker 2: the week, but the hits just keep on coming from
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Speaker 2: this guy, and the more he tries to bury them,
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Speaker 2: the more they need to be profiled. Here all these
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Speaker 2: crazy things that he said. A couple of things about Christianity.
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Speaker 2: You know, he's the seminary student after all. But a
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Speaker 2: couple of podcast interviews. I know these are from four
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Speaker 2: or five years ago, and he claims that, you know,
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Speaker 2: that's not exactly what he meant or whatever. Here's what
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Speaker 2: he had to say about Christianity.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's you know, I always think of myself
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Speaker 4: as a Christian who hates Christianity up right, and like
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Speaker 4: I always get always get drawn back into it.
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Speaker 2: And then in a twenty twenty one podcast, he said, quote,
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Speaker 2: it's very strange every time I think about it, that
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Speaker 2: the most popular figure in our country, particularly on the
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Speaker 2: conservative right, is this socialist anarchist from ancient Palestine unquote,
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Speaker 2: obviously referring to Jesus. Now, I don't know what Bible
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Speaker 2: James Tallerico is reading, but if you can find where
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Speaker 2: Jesus is talking about how government should be generous to people,
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Speaker 2: please point it out to me. He's talking about how
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Speaker 2: the individual should be and he's not an anarchist. I'm
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Speaker 2: pretty sure there's a line in there, Jim about rendering
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Speaker 2: onto Caesar what is Caesar? And unto God?
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Speaker 4: What is God?
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Speaker 2: So James Tallerico once again distorting things, trying to create
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Speaker 2: a wedge, perhaps for people who aren't quite as biblically
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Speaker 2: literate as they should be.
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Speaker 4: You know, Greg, you turn over one table and everybody
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Speaker 4: calls you an anarchist. At first, I'm like, how can
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Speaker 4: you possibly call yourself a Christian who hates Christianity? How
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Speaker 4: can you love something and hate something at the exact
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Speaker 4: same time. And at first I thought this was completely unthinkable.
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Speaker 4: Then I realized, naw, sometimes I feel that way about
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Speaker 4: the jets. You know, something that gives you so much
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Speaker 4: but also takes away and causes you so much misery. Okay,
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Speaker 4: on that level, I can get it, but a bit
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Speaker 4: more accurately, like I suspect, if you ask just about
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Speaker 4: any Christian, are there things about modern Christianity as it
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Speaker 4: is prak whether it's in the United States or around
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Speaker 4: the world, are there things about it that bug you?
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Speaker 4: Whether it's you know, the cliched you know, televangelists from
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Speaker 4: the nineteen eighties, or folks who are blatantly hypocritical, or
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Speaker 4: you know, I get the difficulties of the camel eye
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Speaker 4: of the needle, and the degree to which so many
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Speaker 4: Christians will go through ways to build ever bigger needles
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Speaker 4: and ever smaller camels, to figure out some way to
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Speaker 4: get that camel through the eye of the needle, to
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Speaker 4: make it easier for a rich man to get through Heaven. Well,
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Speaker 4: if you're a pastor and you have a private jet,
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Speaker 4: something's probably gone wrong. Probably probably something's gone off. So
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying modern Christianity is beyond any criticism, whether
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Speaker 4: there are knowledges, but I think we'd all say, actually,
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Speaker 4: that's someone who's calling themselves Christian, who isn't actually practicing Christianity.
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Speaker 4: Who you know? And I know if that sounds like
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Speaker 4: a true socialism has never been tried because human beings
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Speaker 4: are failed and perfect. None of us have ever nailed
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Speaker 4: Christianity one hundred percent the way it's supposed to be
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Speaker 4: practiced because we're always going to screw up. We're always
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Speaker 4: going to fall short or does God forgives us, but
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Speaker 4: we're supposed to try to do better each time. Anyway,
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Speaker 4: I hate Christianity is a really unusual slogan for a
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Speaker 4: guy running for office in Texas. It's a very unusual
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Speaker 4: slogan for a seminary student, like at that seminary, what
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Speaker 4: are they teaching? Are you? Are you sure? Are you
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Speaker 4: sure you'd go into the wrong door or something like that,
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Speaker 4: Are you sure it's not the Satanic temple or something
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Speaker 4: like that, because it sounds more like those guys. So
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Speaker 4: I've described Tellerico as you know, Timu Brand Beta or
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Speaker 4: work from the beginning Beto for all of his goofiness
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Speaker 4: and clearly wanted to be a rock star and all
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Speaker 4: that kind of stuff, and the descriptions of his sweat
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Speaker 4: in the net. I don't remember Beto making mistakes like this,
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Speaker 4: like I don't want to this is rose colored glasses.
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Speaker 4: But like Ken Paxton, for all of his flaws and
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Speaker 4: he is a deeply flawed individual, he should be able
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Speaker 4: to post to this guy like Michael Jordan like this.
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Speaker 4: This should not be hard, you know. So Paxton is
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Speaker 4: narrowly ahead, much closer than you'd expect. In Texas, Greg
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Speaker 4: Abbot's probably gonna win very easily. But come on, man,
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Speaker 4: this is a target rich environment for Texas Republicans, and
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Speaker 4: I think this will be another case of Democrats outside
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Speaker 4: of Texas falling in love with a candidate without realizing
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Speaker 4: what kind of candidate you need to have to win
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Speaker 4: in Texas.
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Speaker 2: Let it be noted. On June twenty fifth, twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 2: Jim Garrity said something nice about Beto O'Rourke. He was
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Speaker 2: more competent at this than James all Arica.
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Speaker 4: Very low bar to clear, but sure inchworms can clear
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Speaker 4: that bar.
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Speaker 2: But yes, that you know politically, both sides, You know,
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Speaker 2: if we're not being pure socialists. The Democrats don't think
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Speaker 2: we're being o Christians, and the right has their issues
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Speaker 2: as well. You know, if you're not this or that,
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Speaker 2: then you can't possibly be a Christian and something like that.
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Speaker 2: But you know, we could just focus on the gospel
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Speaker 2: that we're all sinners. Jesus came to save us, died
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Speaker 2: on the cross for our sins. Rose again. That's where
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Speaker 2: Christianity should be focused and not these pet political issues.
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Speaker 2: It's way bigger than whatever James Tallerico's agenda is, or
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Speaker 2: any other politicians for that matter. So James a mass
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Speaker 2: He's also when was this back in like twenty twenty two?
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Speaker 2: I guess he called to.
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Speaker 4: A whole slashers a whole four years ago, folks, this
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Speaker 4: is ancient history. Great, why are you doing this archaeological dig?
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Speaker 2: God, well, this whole political career is since twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: I think. So, you know, delivering a commencement addressed to
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Speaker 2: a group of Texas inmates graduating from a high school
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Speaker 2: diploma program, which which is great, But after approvingly quoting
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Speaker 2: the prominent prison abolitionist Ruth Wilson Gilmour, he says prisons
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Speaker 2: allow us to ignore the consequences of systemic racism and
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Speaker 2: global capitalism. If we took just half of what we
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Speaker 2: spent on war's prisons and policing and spent it on education, healthcare,
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Speaker 2: and jobs, we could make prisons obsolete. It's hard to
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Speaker 2: imagine a world without prisons, but it was also hard
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Speaker 2: to imagine a world without telegrams and cassette tapes. Just
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Speaker 2: because it was hard to imagine doesn't mean you shouldn't.
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Speaker 2: We won't build it overnight, but dreaming is the first step. Jim,
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Speaker 2: We're always going to have really bad people, it's part
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Speaker 2: of the deal. And we need prisons.
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Speaker 4: Anybody who says, oh, I want to abolish prisons, I'm
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Speaker 4: gonna say, Okay, we're gonna come up with a new system.
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Speaker 4: I know he's passed away, but like, we're gonna have
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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Dahmer live with you, and you know you're gonna
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Speaker 4: you're gonna be housemates, you're gonna be buddies. And you
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Speaker 4: know what, I think you guys should break bread. You
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Speaker 4: should let Dahmer cook a meal or two and just
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Speaker 4: kind of see see how that works out for you.
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Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, oh, maybe we should have
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Speaker 4: some prisons that I think that's likely to come around
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Speaker 4: that way.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they're gonna go for that. They
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Speaker 2: love to talk about it, me is that as an issue.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure officially now he's not in favor of abolishing
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Speaker 2: prisons because he's running statewide in Texas. But the hypocrisy
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Speaker 2: and the record is very obvious for all who.
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Speaker 4: and so when you say you want to, you know,
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Speaker 4: you know, there's always that sense like, no, I mean
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Speaker 2: the Democratic Socialists or just the flat out Marxists are
19:53
Speaker 2: on the rise, at least in New York City, but
19:54
Speaker 2: we're seeing some candidates and other places around the country too.
19:57
Speaker 2: So these people are flexing their muscles and they're become
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Speaker 2: I'm more prominent inside the Democratic Party. And so as
20:03
Speaker 2: we look forward to twenty twenty eight, you got different
20:05
Speaker 2: candidates who are figuring out what lane am I going
20:08
Speaker 2: to run in? And we don't know everybody who's going
20:10
Speaker 2: to be in, but somebody's going to fill that lane.
20:12
Speaker 2: You can be sure of that. Gavin Newsom, however, is
20:16
Speaker 2: not planning to be that candidate. He has decided that
20:20
Speaker 2: that is not going to be his lane and he
20:22
Speaker 2: probably couldn't win it even if he tried, so instead
20:25
Speaker 2: he's embracing Biden ahead of twenty twenty eight. He basically
20:30
Speaker 2: is looking to get the what now passes for more
20:33
Speaker 2: moderate Democrats. They're certainly not moderate on the grand scale
20:36
Speaker 2: of things, and also where the money still is in
20:39
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party. The question is is that the smart
20:42
Speaker 2: play or is he going against the grain and that's
20:44
Speaker 2: going to catch up to him in twenty twenty eight. Jim,
20:46
Speaker 2: what do you think?
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Speaker 4: So you know, if you thought it was surprising to
20:49
Speaker 4: hear me give some very faint praise for Beta or Rourke,
20:53
Speaker 4: I've got some very faint praise for Gavin news First
20:56
Speaker 4: of all, it'd be interesting to see if what we
20:58
Speaker 4: see in twenty twenty eight trunsy to a you know,
21:01
Speaker 4: comparable rerun of what we saw in twenty twenty Right,
21:04
Speaker 4: and there were twenty some Democratic candidates and almost all
21:08
Speaker 4: of them were chasing the Bernie Sanders voters from twenty
21:11
Speaker 4: sixteen like they were. There was as hard left as
21:13
Speaker 4: possible and when there are like not just one or
21:17
Speaker 4: two other candidates competing for a lane, so to speak,
21:20
Speaker 4: but like a dozen candidates all competing to be the
21:23
Speaker 4: most progressive candidate in the race, it gets harder and
21:26
Speaker 4: harder stand out. And then you end up with these
21:28
Speaker 4: candidates where like, you know, Kirsten Gillibrand is speaking in
21:31
Speaker 4: Iowa and thinks she's really stirring people, and there's young
21:34
Speaker 4: ones like I just want to get some ranch right.
21:36
Speaker 4: That woman spoke for all of us that year. So
21:39
Speaker 4: if you are Gavin Newsom and you're looking at this,
21:41
Speaker 4: but it's worth noting for all of those lefty, you know,
21:45
Speaker 4: hard left candidates, you know that they were running that year,
21:48
Speaker 4: the nominal ended up being Joe Biden, and Joe Biden
21:51
Speaker 4: did not do well in the Iowa caucuses, did not
21:53
Speaker 4: do well in the New Hampshire primary, did not do
21:56
Speaker 4: well in the Nevada caucus, and a whole bunch of
21:58
Speaker 4: people are running them off for dead. I was not
22:01
Speaker 4: not so much because I had great faith in Joe Biden,
22:04
Speaker 4: but I just figured the brand name and being associated
22:08
Speaker 4: with Obama was going to carry him through through a
22:10
Speaker 4: lot of these early lumps and then he won the
22:13
Speaker 4: South Carolina Democratic primary by a lot. Now, South Carolina
22:16
Speaker 4: is not enormously democratic state, but it's an early one
22:18
Speaker 4: and an important one, and it's a heavily African American one.
22:21
Speaker 4: As I alluded to earlier in this podcast, there are
22:24
Speaker 4: a lot of African Americans in this country who have
22:26
Speaker 4: voted Democratic Party for the Democratic Party their entire lives,
22:29
Speaker 4: and in most elections they're going to vote for Democrats again,
22:32
Speaker 4: but in a Democratic primary, they're not going to necessarily
22:36
Speaker 4: vote for the most leftward candidate. A lot of them
22:38
Speaker 4: are to varying degrees, semi cultural conservatives. A lot of
22:41
Speaker 4: people are very faithful Christians and just basically people who
22:45
Speaker 4: have already earned something in life and are not going
22:49
Speaker 4: to sign on to any crazy scheme about redistribution or
22:52
Speaker 4: something like that. They've heard a lot of promises, They've
22:55
Speaker 4: heard a lot, particularly from well meaning white progressives. And
22:58
Speaker 4: if there's anybody that you like, do they have disagreements
23:01
Speaker 4: with conservatives? Absolutely? As a result, do they trust white progressives. No,
23:06
Speaker 4: you know, as you said, I'm from the government, I'm
23:08
Speaker 4: here to help. Like They've heard that lots of times
23:11
Speaker 4: and feel like they've been burned by that plenty of times.
23:13
Speaker 4: So if you're Gavin Newsom, you could look at that
23:16
Speaker 4: and say, huh, can I rerun the Biden strategy? And Yeah,
23:20
Speaker 4: maybe I don't do well in Iowa, maybe I don't
23:22
Speaker 4: do well in New Hampshire. I don't do it well
23:24
Speaker 4: in Nevada. But by the way, none of those have
23:26
Speaker 4: that many delegates when it comes to the convention, considering
23:29
Speaker 4: the enormous attention that they get in the process. And
23:32
Speaker 4: so you go to South Carolina and you clean up
23:35
Speaker 4: and win big, all of a sudden you're in much
23:38
Speaker 4: better shape. And then you know, all of Newsom's considerable
23:41
Speaker 4: financial advantages and things like that can kick in. So
23:44
Speaker 4: this is not a crazy line of thinking, and it
23:46
Speaker 4: is at a point where it seems like almost everybody
23:49
Speaker 4: in the Democratic Party is in this mad scramble to
23:52
Speaker 4: position themselves as the most leftward candidate in the race.
23:55
Speaker 4: Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not saying that Gavin
23:57
Speaker 4: Newsom is a centrist. I'm not saying that Gavin new
24:00
Speaker 4: would not be the most progressive president we've had. Yes,
24:02
Speaker 4: even by Biden's standards, even by Barack Obama's standards. But
24:07
Speaker 4: you look at this, it's interesting when somebody is zigging
24:10
Speaker 4: when everybody else is zagging, and it does make me
24:13
Speaker 4: think that he is kind of recognizing everybody and their
24:15
Speaker 4: brother's going to be chasing this particular lane. It's never
24:17
Speaker 4: gonna work. I could have this lane all to myself.
24:21
Speaker 4: There's a not small number of voters in a lot
24:23
Speaker 4: of important states that are in that category, even when
24:26
Speaker 4: it feels like the Democratic Party's losing its mind.
24:28
Speaker 2: Yes, but like you said, when Biden got in there,
24:30
Speaker 2: even though he was considered more moderate than Bernie and
24:32
Speaker 2: some of the others who are in the race, you know,
24:34
Speaker 2: he populated his staff with a bunch of Elizabeth Warren acolytes,
24:37
Speaker 2: and he governed as a hard left president. And I
24:40
Speaker 2: assume Gavin Newsom would do the same. So we're basically
24:43
Speaker 2: looking at kind of political shrewdness here, not the idea
24:46
Speaker 2: that Gavin Newsom wouldn't be a horrible president.
24:49
Speaker 4: Like you said, if you want to know what Gavin
24:50
Speaker 4: Newsom would be like as president, just just look at
24:53
Speaker 4: his record. His record in California, record record wreckage. You know,
24:57
Speaker 4: under Gavin Newsom, the California economy is and fue there
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Speaker 4: you go. I mean, literally, the state is on fire.
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Speaker 2: All you really do is fail up as a Democrat
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Speaker 2: journalism story as our chaser today, we haven't talked about
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Speaker 2: the scandal involving Patriots coach Mike Vrabel and former Athletic
26:25
Speaker 2: reporter Diana Russini. She was actually an NBC four A
26:29
Speaker 2: reporter here in the DC area. Then she went to ESPN,
26:32
Speaker 2: and then she went to the Athletic. There might have
26:33
Speaker 2: been a couple spots in between. I don't know. But
26:35
Speaker 2: now she's out of a job because of those photos
26:37
Speaker 2: that emerged of her and Vrabel at that posh resort
26:40
Speaker 2: in Arizona back earlier in the year, and now she
26:43
Speaker 2: has resigned from the Athletic. Has not had anything to say,
26:47
Speaker 2: but The New York Times, which owns the Athletic, was
26:50
Speaker 2: doing a story on this, and she texted with the
26:53
Speaker 2: reporter and then said, please don't use those texts in
26:56
Speaker 2: the story. The reporter said no, I'm going to use them.
26:58
Speaker 2: She appealed up the chain the editorial staff. They said no,
27:01
Speaker 2: So they're in there, even though she didn't want it.
27:03
Speaker 2: There's been a couple other stories lately. That suggests reporters
27:07
Speaker 2: have ignored requests or denied requests that interview subjects have said,
27:12
Speaker 2: please don't use that. So there's that journalistic issue. But
27:14
Speaker 2: you also found the issue in this story that Diana
27:17
Speaker 2: Rossini was making eight hundred grand in this job at
27:22
Speaker 2: the Athletic unbelievable.
27:24
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so this story about Russini begins with an
27:27
Speaker 4: anecdote of her getting pulled over for a speeding ticket
27:30
Speaker 4: or I'm sorry texting while driving with her two young sons,
27:33
Speaker 4: second time in a month, right, And the police say
27:37
Speaker 4: to her, you know you're in trouble here, and she
27:38
Speaker 4: says she asks, who is your favorite NFL head coach?
27:43
Speaker 4: And the officer says which team he is, and says,
27:45
Speaker 4: you like to talk to the coach. Let's talk to
27:46
Speaker 4: the coach, and she instantly facetimes the head coach. She
27:49
Speaker 4: has not specified which coach it was, apparently it was
27:52
Speaker 4: not you know, New England Patriots head coach Mike Rabel
27:55
Speaker 4: on this podcast, and she tells this story about having
27:58
Speaker 4: the head coach of this NFL team, telling the cop this,
28:02
Speaker 4: she's a good woman, she's a law abiding citizen. Get
28:05
Speaker 4: let her off with a warning and she gets out
28:08
Speaker 4: of it. Not only like does she do this, she
28:10
Speaker 4: then thinks it's a funny story and tells this on
28:12
Speaker 4: the podcast. And I think a lot of people would
28:14
Speaker 4: say that's kind of abusing your relationship with your sources, Greg,
28:18
Speaker 4: You have sources, I have sources. We have friends. Our
28:21
Speaker 4: friends and our sources are two different categories, right. You know,
28:23
Speaker 4: we can be on friendly terms with them. We can
28:25
Speaker 4: you know, go to lunch, get coffee, we can be
28:27
Speaker 4: very amiable, but we don't think of them as like
28:30
Speaker 4: a close personal relationship. And I think you really should
28:33
Speaker 4: not write about people you have a close personal relationship,
28:36
Speaker 4: or at minimum you should disclose that to readers or
28:39
Speaker 4: listeners or viewers so that they know that your assessment
28:43
Speaker 4: is based on this. So there's that angle which is
28:45
Speaker 4: a little bit upsetting. You know, when you say to
28:48
Speaker 4: something to reporter her and then you say that was
28:50
Speaker 4: off the record. You only got to say that stuff beforehand.
28:53
Speaker 4: You know, different reporters will have different ideas about whether
28:55
Speaker 4: you can retroactively declare something to be off the record.
28:58
Speaker 4: But then finally eight hundred thousand dollars, Now, look, it's
29:04
Speaker 4: a free country. Believe in the free market. If the
29:07
Speaker 4: New York Times or Athletic believe that she is worth
29:09
Speaker 4: that than, you know, on the one hand, good for her.
29:11
Speaker 4: On the other hand, people are pointing out that, like,
29:13
Speaker 4: even in the New York market, you could probably hire
29:16
Speaker 4: like four good sports reporters for that kind of money.
29:19
Speaker 4: And I was thinking back to when Chelsea Clinton got
29:23
Speaker 4: hired by NBC News for the low low price of
29:26
Speaker 4: six hundred thousand dollars a year. Chelsea Clinton had no
29:29
Speaker 4: journalistic experience, She just wanted to do this, and NBC
29:32
Speaker 4: News said sure, And as I recalled, you did not
29:35
Speaker 4: do a lot of reporting. This was not a no
29:37
Speaker 4: show job. But it was a little show job, shall
29:40
Speaker 4: we say. And a lot of us looked at this
29:42
Speaker 4: and said, this was NBC attempting to ingratiate itself to
29:45
Speaker 4: the Clinton family. It's a different circumstance with Russini. And again,
29:50
Speaker 4: you know, it's a free market. But boy, a whole
29:52
Speaker 4: lot of people in the New York Times Sports department
29:54
Speaker 4: Athletic are saying, well, really she was getting that much.
29:57
Speaker 4: I think I've overdue for a raise. And I don't
30:00
Speaker 4: know how Radio America a National Review are doing. But
30:02
Speaker 4: if they wanted to give you an eye something more
30:05
Speaker 4: in the Russini category, we would not turn that down.
30:07
Speaker 2: Probably not. This is probably the biggest embarrassment for the
30:11
Speaker 2: athletic in a while. Their biggest embarrassment should be sending
30:15
Speaker 2: reporters all over the world like the Australian Open and
30:17
Speaker 2: the Olympics and asking all the athletes, what's it like
30:20
Speaker 2: right now? We'll give all that's happening in America? How
30:22
Speaker 2: does that make you feel?
30:24
Speaker 4: With everything that's going on? As colleague Charlie Cook likes
30:28
Speaker 4: to say, oh, everything going on.
30:31
Speaker 2: They're not really interested in sports. They just want to
30:33
Speaker 2: politicize everything. Anyway, Jim, have a great day. I'll see tomorrow.
30:36
Speaker 4: See tomorrow, Greg, Jim.
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