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Reid Ferry Talks on his new release Trident! #277 · The Magic Guys

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  They're guys. They do magic. They are the Magic Guys.
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  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 277 of the Magic Guys.
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  I am one of the Magic Guys. I am Josh Nobito.
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  And to my left, we have Nicolas Cage. That's right, friends. I'm Nick K.
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  The nicholas cage of the magic world if you will,
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  and look doug has had some dental work done he's got some magnets implanted
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  he's got a top it you know in all these you know rejigged stuff all those vegas guys do and,
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  got those pearly whites anyway he obviously is recovering so to step in we have
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  an amazing guest to be our third magi today but nick you're looking well you're
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  looking the head's looking smooth today you know what buddy,
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  i appreciate that i have been trying to get under 100 kilograms of weight for
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  a month and i finally did it this weekend i've been running every day four kilometers
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  and i'm finally at 99 so feeling good feeling good we okay yeah well yeah,
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  we made this we made this pact and we're gonna have to maybe do it next year
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  but a magic live one year we're gonna make a calendar well the goal is to make
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  a calendar of different magicians for every month and
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  now that you're a sexy calendar more importantly a sexy calendar by this pool,
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  yeah by the pool at magic live there's an amazing outdoor pool where we all
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  get drunk every day in the sun and the idea was it's going to be,
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  And for some reason, it'll all be men on the calendar. So like a firefighter calendar, right?
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  But now that you're cutting all this weight and getting ripped,
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  we can't make you December anymore. We can't make you the Christmas month of Santa.
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  Like whatever one of the summer months are. We always joked about who would be December.
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  Like who would be in a, like Jason Mark would be Santa, for example.
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  But at Magic Live, you know, would it be like, oh my God. I'm totally blanking. Anyway, let's move on.
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  Obviously, I learned how to speak good and it's morning here.
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  So I'm going to try and podcast me way out of this.
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  Nick, let me take the wheel for a sec, Josh. Have a drink. So guys in the chat,
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  good to see you there. As you know, this is a live show. You can actually ask
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  your questions to our amazing guest today.
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  For those of you who are part of the Discord, you were well aware of this well
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  in advance. You guys are super pumped with your questions.
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  So we'll give you a quick shout out. Tim Askin, good to see you.
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  Scotty link gehan uh good to see you buddy herbert always a pleasure my friend
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  who else oh scotty p good to see you friends and maddie magic good to see you bud so.
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  This interview that we're about to have, we are super excited about this.
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  Everyone who's part of the mentalist chat in our discord, and y'all know that
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  blew right up. And so I don't want to waste any more time with pleasantries.
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  I just want to get into the thick of it because I got questions and I'm sure you guys do too.
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  Shall we introduce our act or do we have to do anything other?
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  Boss? Can I just say too, the podcast for us started 20 minutes ago because
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  we've just been getting fooled the pants off through,
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  podcast world through digital world from this guy about the thing we're going
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  to talk about so we've already been getting fooled so now we just thought we'd
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  hit record and bring you in on it so let's get into it nick.
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  Guys today's guest is someone who's becoming one of the most exciting voices
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  in modern mentalism he's built a reputation creating practical hard-hitting
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  material that's designed for real world performances with both josh and I experienced
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  no more than 20 minutes ago.
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  He's got work on billets, cold reading, card magic. He's an absolute orgy of
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  talent, and there's nothing very little that he can't do.
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  Most recently, he was at Blackpool sharing an amazing new product he's about
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  to launch, and it became the talk of the town and has literally blown up the
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  mentalist world. So please, without any further ado, join me in welcoming Reed Ferry.
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  Rick Barry, welcome to the Magic
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  Guys podcast. Please tell our friends who are you and what do you do?
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  What is going on, guys? Thanks for having me. Super excited to be here.
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  Josh and Nick, appreciate it. Everyone in the chat, what's going on?
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  Yeah, super excited to be here. Lots to talk about. I am a magician, mentalist.
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  I've been, I do a whole bunch, perform, consult.
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  A lot of people know me from YouTube, do a lot of YouTube, teach.
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  I work with magicians all over the world giving private lessons and yeah a whole
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  bunch so we are here excited to talk about some new stuff but yeah i can't wait
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  to be here thanks for having me guys,
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  no thanks for coming i mean how crazy has it been since you shared trident which
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  we'll get into the thick of it in a moment but i mean how crazy has it been
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  since you like got back from blackpool and shared like that amazing talent of yours.
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  Crazy like you know it was funny because i i think i went to blackpool without
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  realizing what i had to me trident was a thing that i had been doing and working
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  on for like a couple of years,
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  and you know i'd share it at some of the local clubs with some of the local
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  magicians some friend magicians and i do it you know in my events and and for,
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  the layman Right. I encountered in my day to day.
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  And I was like, I think this is really good. But I guess I didn't realize just
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  how good it was until I had a bunch of other magicians telling me how good it is. Right. Like.
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  I at least don't like to approach things like too overconfident.
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  And so it was really a cool experience.
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  And then, you know, right after Blackpool, there's all these videos coming out
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  and I performed Trident so much that it kind of was in a lot of these videos.
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  And then all of a sudden, yeah, just the flood began. Like, I swear I was getting,
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  must have been like almost 50 to 100 messages a day for like the next week of
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  people just like, what is this?
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  Where do I learn it? And I'm like, I mean, I wasn't even, I mean,
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  I was planning to release it, but not even anytime soon. Right.
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  So I'm like, well, I better start getting on it because it's kind of ready. Right.
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  So it was really crazy. It's been busy, man. It's been busy, but good busy.
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  Yeah. So for those of you that are sort of like in the weeds about this,
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  if you've been living under a rock, this Trident system probably best described
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  by yourself is effectively what is appearing to be the pinnacle of prop less
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  mentalism in which that nothing needs to be written down.
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  Things can damn near just be thought of at this point, which is quite literally
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  what happened before the show, where I nearly flipped this table when he got
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  the revelation correct.
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  So it's one of those things that we'll get into the weeds about,
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  but I think it's kind of important to know where you came from,
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  to know where you're going.
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  So let's focus on the propolis mentalism aspect. Obviously, we all get into
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  magic for different reasons, but what is it about propolis mentalism for you,
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  that made you say like, this is what I'm going to excel at?
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  You know, I think, like, I don't want people to think that I think propolis
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  mentalism is the be-all, end-all.
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  You know, it is something that I love, and I look at it as a tool.
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  And so when I perform, I still, because cards were my first love,
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  and so I still do a lot of card magic in my set.
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  But I do quite a bit of mentalism as well, and I've kind of branded myself as
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  a magician and mentalist, right? I haven't went totally into the mentalism route
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  just because I would never, I like cards too much.
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  And so that lends to your point. I'm also like, I'm a big billet guy when it comes to mentalism.
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  I'm pretty traditional, but I think what most people know me for is being a
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  minimalist. So that's like a message that I'm like constantly hammering in on
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  my channel is, you know, there's so much magic now.
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  And I find a lot of the times you can accomplish the exact same effect with,
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  very minimal props on you or traditional, more traditional methods, right?
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  I'm a big animan guy. So that's like more my school of thought tends to be.
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  And so things like billets and, and that I don't, I do some tech,
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  but as far as tech, it's just a bit.
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  Pretty much a couple of apps. But beyond that, like I literally,
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  and I've talked about this a lot, I go to all my events with a Sharpie,
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  a stack of billets, a regular deck of cards in my phone, and I don't bring anything else.
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  And I do everything that I do with those four things.
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  And so prop less mentalism, as you, if you understand my philosophy,
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  just kind of really appealed to me as, as something to start learning.
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  And so when I started to get more into it, I found a lot of really cool systems,
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  but I found they were all either.
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  Really good, but they were kind of limited in what they could accomplish.
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  So they're really good for one thing.
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  I think, for example, like a star sign anagram is a fantastic piece of propolis
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  mentalism. And you know, you know, what makes it so good is it's probably the
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  best method for guessing someone's star sign. Like it's a waste of time to have
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  them write it on a billet if it's one in 12.
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  But when you can do it properly, I think it's actually the best way to do it.
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  And a lot of the other systems are, it's a compromise. It's probably not the best way to do it.
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  You know, one of the things I think what makes DFB so good, if you look at apps, right?
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  Like why is DFB regarded by most magicians? And even the magicians who never
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  touch apps, they all, everyone uses DFB because what other way are you going to force a word?
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  There are other ways. There's forcing bags. There's, you know,
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  add a number pads, these things, but DFB is probably the best solution,
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  like just in general, not in terms of apps. It's just the best solution. I agree.
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  And so, you know, I think propolis had to have the same criteria.
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  I don't think it's just propolis to be propolis. I think it has to be one of
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  the best solutions for what you're trying to achieve.
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  And there's a few really good prop-less pieces. You know, I know because we're
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  talking about this, I'll say quickly, some of my favorites, like I think Pete's
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  work on the star sign anagram's great.
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  Mind Peak or Protus by Fedon Billick is fantastic.
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  You know, Michael Murray's got some great work on some things.
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  Midas Touch, Pete's Midas Touch is a very different type of prop-less mentalism.
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  But so some things like that are things that I think are like for a PK,
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  I think that's probably one of the best ways to do it.
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  Like they're just, you know, there's some decent, you know, other ways of doing
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  it. But, and so that's where Trident was really kind of born for me,
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  where I really view propolis as a tool. I don't only do propolis,
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  but it's such a nice sprinkle.
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  You know, if you do some billet work and then you can just even guess their
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  star sign without the billet, well, it now implies that the billet was not really
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  important for how you read their mind.
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  And that's kind of what my whole philosophy is when it comes to my billet work,
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  is try to make the billet feel as unimportant as possible like one one really
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  funny like quick demonstration i always give is like like,
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  think about the difference between hey josh i'm gonna read your mind and hey
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  josh i'm gonna read your mind right the second i'm like this.
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  The emphasis is on these props right it's the same thing if i had my deck of
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  cards on the table and i say hey josh i'm gonna show you a trick you know it's
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  a card trick so if i got the billets on the table,
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  now it's a it's a billet trick it's not mind reading right so it's like little
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  things like that and i think prop-less can be another sort of sprinkle on your
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  mentalism where they say well,
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  you know if someone ever thinks oh i feel like maybe somehow he saw what i wrote
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  but then wait he just guessed my star sign or he just guessed you know that
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  object i was thinking of without it,
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  you know what i'm thinking too is.
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  Mentalists always have this,
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  thing where you can get challenged like oh tell me what i'm thinking you know
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  like there's always that one person that will be like okay well you,
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  let me just think of something and you tell me what it is and maybe you've done
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  a few performances with billets and like no i don't want to write anything down
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  i just want you to know like,
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  what's in my head and like this is an answer to that like you can now play this
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  game where you're saying hey all right you're not going to write anything down don't tell anyone.
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  You know we're not using a a funny looking pad or whatever like just think of
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  and like you could now go into this and then when you fry them with this that
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  now solidifies everything else you just done is oh that must have been all pure,
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  magic or mind reading as well you know 100 percent also i'll just say you do
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  have the tattoos to be calling yourself a mentalist if you did just want to
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  be a mentalist yeah i put that out there but i don't have to tattoos you need sleeves yeah Yeah.
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  You know, if I could just speak to the proper strength, it was a Mark Elsden
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  who did the Tequila Hustler, which is a witch hand effect.
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  So this is a witch hand effect. Yeah. It's a witch hand effect where,
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  you know, you can basically just give them a coin or something,
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  a piece of balled up tissue paper or something.
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  I've actually felt or realized that when I've asked people to just use it in
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  an imaginary rock, an imaginary coin, it's never failed.
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  When i've asked them to use their imagination and go imagine this is a rock
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  take it in your hand throw it between two hands you know where it is now yeah,
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  and then keep track of it in your mind and they focus a bit more and they listen
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  to what you have to say because there's imagination now but if i give them something physical
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  and say now do the process of the tequila hustler it becomes this kind of like
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  now i'm working for this this is like a laborious task and yeah just a part
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  of brain just doesn't engage,
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  with what's required in order to do a really good mind read so it's interesting
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  like the strength of propolis,
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  yeah i mean that already exists like not to mention not not to mention like
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  off air like i'm sorry this is just a bit too crazy like,
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  nick was like oh can you do it on me and he's like all right think of anything
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  and then you know, two minutes later,
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  having never said it, Reed's like, oh, you're thinking of a guitar.
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  Nick's like, what the fuck? And he goes and gets his guitar and shows him because
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  Nick used to be in a band and,
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  So now everyone has to drink, which is a running joke on the podcast.
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  And like, imagine doing that for a Zoom client. Like a client wants to meet
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  you to talk about a potential gig, and you just like actually do magic through the screen.
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  That's propolis mentalism. You know, a $5,000 pad can't do that through Zoom.
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  Right, right. That's the thing. Like, you know, it's funny. Like,
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  I did get several questions. Can it be done over virtual? I'm like,
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  I mean, I don't feel I need to answer that. But yes, it does.
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  You know, but, you know, but I think like you brought up tequila hustler.
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  I think that's a wonderful example because, again, it fits the model of it's
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  probably the best way to do it.
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  Right. As a witch hand, you can get some fancy tech, but it's not needed.
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  It's it's probably the best way to do it. Right.
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  And then you get these things that are. Yeah. Like, you know,
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  it's interesting that we've gotten to price because I have had some questions about that.
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  And I'd love to chat a little bit about why it's priced the way it is.
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  But, you know, for sure, you can spend thousands on an impression pad,
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  Josh, like you say. And that's not something you can ever do through the screen.
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  And that's why I view this as like a phenomenal tool. Right now,
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  Trident combined with an impression pad can do some pretty crazy things. Right. Yeah.
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  So I have a question regarding that. Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Josh.
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  I was at Magic Live and somebody demonstrated a very expensive $5,000 pad set
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  up and it failed right in front of me.
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  And I'm like, they're like, oh yeah, but no, this, like it normally works like
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  this and this. And I'm like, yeah, but it didn't when you're showing me.
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  So like even, even the best, like technology will always fail at some point, right? And so...
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  Whatever, you know, anything less than $5,000 that you're pricing this at is
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  justified, I think, because.
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  Okay, I'm going to go update that right now. $4,999. Jump on it now,
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  guys. After this, it's going $4,999. You heard it here first. Josh Norbedo approved.
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  You're going to get the MetaGuy stamp for approval. That's right.
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  As long as some of that funnels into the podcast, we'll talk about it all day. Yeah.
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  So I'm curious. I mean, I want to get into the sort of the philosophy of this,
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  but I feel like I need to know this in order to step into it.
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  You can ask for someone to think of anything right like is there a restriction
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  on what they can't think of so for example here's the way my heart and head
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  see it working so i'm doing a q a type thing and somebody makes a wish they
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  could travel more i could then ask them like,
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  i want you to think of where you would like to travel to write write it down
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  you know and then do this type of effect and then and then get the reader from
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  a go oh say okay so your question was am i going to travel to this country?
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  Like you're able to do countries?
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  Like, is it everything, anything? So that's, that's a fantastic question.
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  Where it shines, and this is so counterintuitive, is you don't want to put them in any box.
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  So you don't ever want to say, think of a country because restricting them actually,
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  doesn't allow it to work in a really strange way.
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  And it's hard to kind of explain what that is but this i would say as a as a
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  rule and how it's marketed is it is an object guess now object can extend to animals it can extend to,
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  i mean any any noun basically anything that they can visualize so really it is unlimited,
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  it can like it can definitely get countries as long as it would be tricky if
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  you said think of a country though and I know that sounds super weird,
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  but if you said, think of anything, and they went for a country,
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  then you could get it. I know that sounds super weird, but...
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  It's just the nature of how it all plays out. So people have asked me a lot about names.
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  And I say no for names right now. I am thinking about how it could be adapted to names.
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  The tricky part with names is you would have to say, think of a name,
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  which would struggle on the back end. Not that it would struggle.
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  It would be, it just wouldn't play out the same way, basically.
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  And so, yes, but in right now, it wouldn't be something where you would say,
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  think of a country in the way that it's set up right now.
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  It would, it's much better with objects and nouns, though, if they did go for
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  a country, you could still get it.
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  Hopefully that kind of answers your question. I know it's a little bit ambiguous.
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  Which is so cool anyway, because we all do a thing where it's think of someone's
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  name and now this could be accompanied into it.
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  Like, yeah, write down a name, put this in your pocket.
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  Right. Oh, and also think of an object, you know, that they're holding in your
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  mind or how I, how I've used this in Q&A type routines is once I,
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  let's say I've peaked their question. Right.
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  And now I know it's about traveling. I would say instead of the location, I would just say.
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  I want you to imagine, you know, you step onto that plane, you go,
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  you travel across the ocean, wherever you end up, you land, imagine yourself
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  in this country and imagine you then you arrive at the hotel, you unzip your suit.
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  You open it up and, you know, you have something special in that suitcase.
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  It's not something you would normally find in a suitcase, but it's your object
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  that you love to travel with or your lucky object or whatever it is.
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  So some kind of presentation that changes it towards like a personal object, which is so great.
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  And one of the ways I love to do this is with memories because every memory is tied to an object.
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  So that is where I think some of the strength is right where you have you because
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  you can tie an object to really anything. Right. If you want to go down the
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  name route, you say, think of someone super important to you.
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  Now, is there an object that connected you and this person?
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  Can you think of that object and then go reveal that? And then you could use
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  Trident to want to head the name if you wanted to, right?
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  So it's like stuff like that.
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  Yeah. Now, and obviously the object, it's got to be a single word.
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  Could it be light bulb or just be light?
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  So here's the thing, and that's a great question. I've had a few people ask that.
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  So the single word object line that people have seen from the performance,
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  it's not needed, but I would recommend it.
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  So it'll just be more difficult for you if it's not a single word object. Could you still get it?
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  Yes, but maybe you would just, like if you had something like.
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  I don't know, like, what's a... Water bottle. Water bottle. Yeah,
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  you might just guess water.
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  So it's still a hit, but it's like, it's just not maybe that exact thing.
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  So that's why it's almost like, just to improve the success rate,
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  I think it's just, it's better to have them go for a single word thing, but you don't need to.
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  I don't think that takes away from magic either. Because think of a single word
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  object is still like a million things in their mind.
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  And one thing I talk about, and I'll give a little bit of a sort of some some
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  of the thinking on the project is like anything like that.
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  And this is just in general, actually, in propolis mentalism,
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  whenever you have a restriction, I think about trying to back instead of front
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  load the restriction, back load the restriction, back end of the restriction,
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  that would be the word, right?
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  So like, let's say, you know, I used to have this like propolis animal guests that I used to do.
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  And it would work for like four-legged land animals, right?
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  But instead of saying, Josh, think of a four-legged land animal,
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  which is kind of like, okay, I'd say, Josh, think of an animal,
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  right? And now you'd have it and I'd say, okay, I think this is right away.
• 22:19
  I'm getting this like a four-legged land animal, yeah?
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  And then a lot of the time they say yes. And when they don't,
• 22:24
  you just say, you know what, let's just, can you go for something in that box or whatever?
• 22:30
  You put the restriction afterwards, right? Right. And so with with trying to,
• 22:34
  you know, I talk about a lot of strategies like that to where I mean,
• 22:37
  it's like you say, there's millions of things they can think of.
• 22:40
  So just let them think of it. And then you say, hey, is it by the way,
• 22:43
  is this one word? Those two, can you short, can you put it down to one or can
• 22:46
  you maybe switch to something that's similar? That's one like you can always
• 22:49
  do that to get rid of those those lines. Right.
• 22:53
  So, and kind of any of the, I mean, there, there is no other restriction beside, besides that.
• 22:58
  And one thing I've seen a couple people in the comments and a couple of the
• 23:03
  people who've reviewed it.
• 23:04
  And, you know, there's been lots of reviews out already because, which is awesome.
• 23:07
  And they've all been amazing, which I'm very thankful for.
• 23:10
  But there was one little, I think it's because again, this is into the whole
• 23:14
  live performance conversation. But when you put out one live performance,
• 23:17
  people and magicians tend to get very pigeonholed on like, this is how it has to be done.
• 23:23
  So they hear me say, think of a single word object, something you can categorize.
• 23:27
  And they think, well, it has to be something I can, what does that even mean?
• 23:31
  But anyway, they're like, it has to be something I can categorize.
• 23:34
  So that's the restriction. They say, I'm like, well, no, it doesn't. It doesn't have to be.
• 23:39
  That's like a line, like the single word object. It benefits the magician,
• 23:44
  but you can back end that.
• 23:46
  You can totally ignore it if you want, but it just it helps.
• 23:51
  Right. I've done this so much. I've really refined the script to where I know
• 23:54
  what the best things are to give you the most success. Right.
• 23:59
  Yeah. And it's, it's fun because I suppose you could just be brave and go for it.
• 24:03
  Like it's, I mean, for me, I see the difficulty of someone saying like,
• 24:06
  okay, I'm thinking of a Porsche and then you got to like, and then all of a
• 24:10
  sudden I flipped a Lamborghini or something like that.
• 24:12
  Like I, I, yeah, I, it's like, could work, would be fine. But I think that putting
• 24:16
  the restrictions upon it basically hit like, there's like a flashlight and then
• 24:20
  you basically narrow the flashlight so you can really get tightened in. Yeah.
• 24:24
  Makes a lot of sense. Nick, you can attest to it like there isn't really any
• 24:28
  restrictions though i gave like even with what i delivered to you there's nothing
• 24:31
  it's just think of an object that was all i told you to do right
• 24:35
  i think of a single word object but i mean that's literally anything and that's that's what had,
• 24:41
  i think that's what's so impressive about what it can do more than anything
• 24:45
  else is the freedom of choice where so much propolis stuff has this front-loaded
• 24:50
  restrictions or it's like propolis thrives, has always thrived in a box.
• 24:55
  And when that box is natural, like star signs, there's a natural 12 out box.
• 25:00
  You don't have to force it. It's great.
• 25:03
  When you have to force it, like think of a four legged animal that lives on land.
• 25:07
  That's when it starts to fall apart a little bit. And right.
• 25:09
  You, people have some very clever thoughts on ways to naturally create that box.
• 25:15
  This is what really makes Trident different, I think. For me,
• 25:20
  like I love doing stack work with cards.
• 25:23
  Yeah, I've seen lots of it. Fantastic, man.
• 25:25
  Oh, thanks, bro. Thanks. Well, I have a seminar coming out. It's $5,000.
• 25:32
  But we could do a swap. We'll do a swap.
• 25:37
  A thing that I love performing to people is mnemonicosis. Like I give them the
• 25:42
  deck. I say, name any card.
• 25:44
  And like in a lot of videos they're able to just cut once and it's their card
• 25:48
  and and people watching it assume,
• 25:51
  that's how it happens every time you know like so like that is the miracle i'm
• 25:55
  going for but with the mnemonicosis system since we're in system land i know
• 26:01
  i'm going to get to it but it's just dependent on what you know,
• 26:06
  things and language and whatever i need to do to get to it.
• 26:10
  Is that like in a way similar to what we're saying we tried and like people
• 26:14
  are watching one performance and assuming that's what it is all the time,
• 26:18
  and i have to say this every time actually i'm gonna say no i'm gonna say no
• 26:22
  because it let's go the reason is i don't i don't,
• 26:26
  i don't want people thinking that i did a bunch of performances and i'm showing
• 26:30
  them the best one right oh no for sure for sure you know so that what you see
• 26:36
  like is exactly what nick experienced That like the one from the trailer is exactly what happened.
• 26:40
  There wasn't any extra steps. There wasn't any.
• 26:43
  And so that's like the trident looks like that every time.
• 26:47
  There are a bunch of techniques that go into it that you can use if you're struggling,
• 26:53
  if it's your or if it's your first time performing it or if you're practicing.
• 26:56
  Like I literally have a video on there where I'm just I'm saying,
• 27:00
  hey, this is beginners start here. Do it exactly like this.
• 27:04
  We're going to take away a few little things to make it a little easier for you.
• 27:07
  We're going to introduce, you know, like, like a billet or something to just make your life easier.
• 27:13
  But then as you get more comfortable, then you can, you can go from there. Right. So.
• 27:18
  Doesn't look different but there are just so many different ways that you can
• 27:22
  do it i think more so what i meant is just the scripting itself that there's
• 27:27
  more flexibility in the scripting in terms of how you choose to do it right,
• 27:32
  right we have a question here from scotty p and he's asking has anyone thought
• 27:38
  of an object you've never heard of before and what was it.
• 27:42
  Yes so So I have a very,
• 27:48
  like I actually kind of kept track from and I think at Blackpool,
• 27:51
  I did it like 46 times, I think I was keeping track of and I hit 44 times out of the 46.
• 28:00
  And the one time I missed was because a spectator did not understand what they
• 28:06
  were supposed to do. And I mean, it was the same script I always give and what,
• 28:10
  you know, they couldn't follow it. That's no problem.
• 28:12
  It's going to happen. And there are a lot of, you know, since that experience,
• 28:15
  I thought about, well, how could you handle that situation?
• 28:17
  And so there's a whole contingency on the project for what you do if your spectator
• 28:21
  is struggling, because there is an aspect of, you know, memory work involved
• 28:27
  for the spectator. There's more on them than there is on the magician, which is cool. And so.
• 28:34
  Then the second one, I said something super similar. I'm trying to remember what it was.
• 28:39
  It was like it was it was kind of like the drum drumstick type of thing where
• 28:45
  like I said drum and they were thinking of drumstick or like something I can't
• 28:48
  remember the object or something like that where it wasn't I mean I didn't count
• 28:51
  it as a perk but it's still a hit for I mean thinking of anything right,
• 28:55
  and then so your question was what was or or what was his name so the question
• 29:00
  yeah the question was like is that every thought of something that you didn't
• 29:03
  know like so for example if you look at a piece of furniture and it's a quadenza,
• 29:07
  look at the quadenza you're like what the hell's a so it was funny actually
• 29:12
  so the the performance in the
• 29:15
  trailer i don't know if you guys recall but he had thought of spoon and,
• 29:23
  I ended up and because of that performance and some various things I had a few
• 29:26
  people say like oh you know asking asking about,
• 29:31
  if it could have been other things and I heard about this thing called the spanner,
• 29:36
  that I've never heard of before and,
• 29:39
  I was like what is this and then I go to do trident to Michael Murray.
• 29:46
  A couple of weeks later for the quote that he gave me and he thought a spanner
• 29:50
  and I actually got it, but it's, I didn't know what it was.
• 29:54
  It was only because of people having kind of let me know that's the closest
• 29:58
  I can think to where, yeah, like you're, I mean, if, if they,
• 30:04
  yeah, it was pretty cool.
• 30:05
  It was a cool experience just seeing how, how that all worked out,
• 30:07
  but not really. No, I, I, you know, it's interesting with some of the methodology that's going on and,
• 30:12
  and the scripting and things like that, you do tend to get,
• 30:17
  people going for things that are pretty reasonable right because people ask
• 30:21
  me like oh what if it's like super obscure no you can you could still get it
• 30:25
  and and there are i teach lots of techniques how to do that for sure but yeah yeah.
• 30:32
  It it has some really neat things going on tend to get people to go for things
• 30:35
  like spoon and guitar and these things that are just more like not you know,
• 30:40
  whatever else it could possibly be that's just absolutely absurd though it would
• 30:44
  still work which is pretty neat,
• 30:46
  would you suggest like being in a venue and saying like i want you to choose
• 30:49
  something indigenous in this room like have a look at it lock it in whatever
• 30:53
  it might yeah yeah so there's a couple of really so you know,
• 30:57
  pete turner's on the project with me we have a jam with him just super exciting
• 31:02
  he you know he's just an alien the way that that guy thinks and and we came
• 31:06
  up with some absolutely crazy stuff.
• 31:08
  And he's got an awesome little presentation on there where, you know,
• 31:13
  and I'll share this as a little nugget just to give you a sense of some of the little things.
• 31:17
  And this is like probably the worst thing we came up with in this thing, right?
• 31:21
  But he talks about like, if you brought someone on stage, like a girl with her
• 31:25
  purse, and you have her take out objects until she's left with one inside,
• 31:30
  and then you did Trident, and guess what's left in her purse, right?
• 31:34
  And then at the end, she'd have to pull it out and, you know,
• 31:37
  like, just like a super little thing.
• 31:38
  So with the room, same thing, walk around this room, look at an object,
• 31:43
  think of an object, take the object, put it somewhere, like whatever you want
• 31:46
  to, you know, there's so many ways you could, you could go about with it.
• 31:50
  But I love, just love that little handbag presentation, you know,
• 31:53
  just theatrically so nice on stage. Right. Have, have, have.
• 31:58
  Have Mind2Mind reached out to you yet? Because I can imagine them doing actual.
• 32:04
  Items and then doing one segment where they're like, just have an item in your
• 32:08
  head, not in real life. Yeah, no, they haven't.
• 32:12
  They have not, but right now they're competition. I'm actually consulting on
• 32:16
  AGT for another act, so competition with them.
• 32:20
  But no, they're great.
• 32:23
  But I mean, they could still buy Trident, right? After AGT. I can't have them
• 32:26
  use it on AGT. Come on now.
• 32:30
  I don't know how what on tv it might not play so well compared to like what
• 32:35
  they're doing visually for sure yeah for them to learn it in time and try and absolutely for sure,
• 32:40
  yeah but in there it's definitely a challenge which is cool like i think that
• 32:44
  sometimes you are challenged sometimes like let me shuffle a deck and there's
• 32:47
  this whole and things become a bit more of a process as opposed to a
• 32:50
  presentation and it's like that's fine they can see the process that's what
• 32:53
  mentalism is effectively it's yeah seeing the purpose um and this and the script fits all that,
• 33:00
  yeah it feels so genuine and and it's the thing where you know it's you know
• 33:05
  we we had a whole episode god i wish we were part of it where we did this whole
• 33:08
  like magic versus mentalism and we started like really breaking down what it
• 33:11
  all meant you know what i mean and it's that type of thing where,
• 33:14
  sometimes it's presented as like this very like oh this,
• 33:18
  superpower type thing you know where it's like magic is about having a superpower
• 33:22
  and mentalism is about being superhuman.
• 33:25
  And being able to look at someone and know a thing, like that's a word divination.
• 33:28
  Like you look at them, think of a word, boom, like that is a fun place to be.
• 33:33
  We've got the chat lighting up with some questions.
• 33:36
  I'm going to start throwing them at you. Matty Magic is asking,
• 33:40
  can you share a typical out you will use if it misses with trident,
• 33:46
  so the full system with with everything that you learn.
• 33:53
  Is 100%. So there are techniques.
• 33:57
  So there's the version that happens, you know, it's really hard to quantify.
• 34:03
  So let's say the, well, here, we'll go the 44 for 46. So we're talking 90 plus
• 34:08
  percent, right? So let's say 90% of the time, it's going to look like what Nick
• 34:14
  you experienced and what is in the trailer.
• 34:16
  And the times where you struggle a little bit more as a performer or the audience
• 34:22
  member struggles, there's probably like five or six different sort of steps
• 34:28
  that you would go through.
• 34:29
  And I lay all of that out. So the first thing, if you struggle,
• 34:32
  you go to this, then you go to this, then you go to this, then you go to this.
• 34:35
  There's actually a really cool little piece of, I want to keep it a surprise
• 34:39
  just for people who pick it up.
• 34:40
  I've not been advertised or anything like that on the project,
• 34:43
  but it is like an extra tool. It's not a physical thing, but it's something
• 34:47
  you can use and actually have. That's a little more than just like videos.
• 34:52
  So you actually get some other things with it, but I just want to kind of keep that as a surprise.
• 34:56
  But it's a tool that then you can use and it can help you along the way if you're
• 35:00
  struggling a bit. And if all else fails, then I give you kind of the 100%.
• 35:05
  You're still not getting it.
• 35:06
  Here's basically my out or what you would do and still end up getting the word.
• 35:11
  And so it really, as a full system, I've made sure to cover all of that because
• 35:15
  I don't, one of the things that's so hard with Propolis is practicing, right?
• 35:20
  And so I wanted to give people, one, I give them the framework.
• 35:23
  Here's where you start. Start doing it like this and then work your way up to
• 35:27
  the Propolis version or to the group versions and saying you do it.
• 35:31
  I should have done that on YouTube. I just didn't think about it.
• 35:33
  But you have, you know, you can read everyone's mind at once in a room,
• 35:36
  right? Like you do it, you know, and it's crazy.
• 35:40
  And it allows you to take the memory load off because, you know,
• 35:45
  instead of them having to remember multiple words, you can split that up amongst different people.
• 35:49
  And it just it's a really nice little variation.
• 35:52
  And so there's a lot of stuff like that I didn't even advertise or talk about.
• 35:55
  Right. But to answer that, just to kind of go full circle, it's just that comes
• 35:59
  down to the practice. So I wanted
• 36:01
  to give people like what you would do if something's going off the rails.
• 36:05
  Here's exactly the steps to follow and if all else fails you do this and you
• 36:10
  end up guessing the word with a more traditional approach i think,
• 36:15
  just so it's said i think that's that is what i was referring to with mnemonicosis like yeah okay you are,
• 36:21
  working it so much you can get to it within one step but you do have other steps
• 36:26
  if you as the performer struggle for whatever reason or struggles for whatever
• 36:30
  reason like right like if i say cut the deck in half and they cut a 10 to the dick.
• 36:36
  Well, I have like another step that's going to get me pretty much to it.
• 36:40
  And so, okay, great. Yeah, so if they go off on the rails, then you have,
• 36:45
  yeah, you have a bunch of different.
• 36:47
  And I think I was mentioning this just super quick, Nick. I know we're trying
• 36:49
  to get through these, but just there's like, I talk about it like four pillars.
• 36:55
  So there's like four different methods that go on in the performer's brain.
• 36:59
  And Nick, actually, you know, I had to resort to a couple of the different pillars
• 37:04
  when we just did it off camera because, you know, there was some tricky things
• 37:10
  about the way that it played out.
• 37:11
  And so I had to go and there's these four pillars that are like four different methods.
• 37:17
  Right. And so if one fails, you have four other methods. And that's not even
• 37:21
  getting into any of the fail safes.
• 37:23
  That's just the i know i know it's it's so hard to kind of.
• 37:28
  Dance around it but that's like just the the propolis number one method so it's
• 37:33
  like you know josh if you're,
• 37:35
  doing your mnemonicosis and you're like cut cut it in half like if they don't
• 37:40
  imagine you just somehow you had another way of just like okay put it back and
• 37:43
  try again like you can try four times and it's still the first step,
• 37:47
  and then if that doesn't work is only when at that point you would move on to
• 37:50
  like some Some of the other avenues that can still help,
• 37:54
  you get basically give the performer more information.
• 37:57
  That's a good way to put it. They give you more information as you move down
• 38:01
  the rabbit hole to help you get
• 38:03
  through it if you're struggling or if the audience does something wrong.
• 38:07
  So next question that was kind of bouncing off this practice,
• 38:10
  you mentioned that there was a practice training app. Is that right?
• 38:15
  Yeah. Can we just explore that real quick just to give these guys confidence
• 38:17
  knowing that you're not thrown in the dark about it?
• 38:20
  For sure, yes. This is super, super exciting.
• 38:24
  One of the big things with this project is I looked at a lot of the market in
• 38:29
  terms of prop-less word guesses and what had been done before,
• 38:33
  and they were all just books. That was it.
• 38:35
  And you know it's funny some people were like oh you're paying this much for
• 38:38
  a you know a download and i'll tell people it's not even a download it's a streaming
• 38:41
  project it streams there right now there's no downloadable access you're getting
• 38:45
  the video tutorials and all the resources but,
• 38:48
  the reason that was done is because i tell people kind of sarcastically i'll
• 38:51
  happily write you a book if you want a book i'll write a book you won't get
• 38:54
  any live performances over like 15 i did on the for the project you won't get
• 38:58
  any performance breakdowns you won't get the jam with me and pete
• 39:01
  you won't get the training tool you won't get but i'll write you the book maybe
• 39:04
  Maybe I'll send you the transcripts of me and Pete talking and you can read
• 39:07
  through those if you'd like, you know, but it just doesn't make sense.
• 39:10
  It was a much worse project if I would have written a book just for the sake
• 39:14
  of having a physical book.
• 39:15
  And so the training tool was I looked at these projects and I was like,
• 39:19
  what is the number one thing that I see people doing?
• 39:24
  Complaining about or having issues with, especially just propolis mentalism in general.
• 39:28
  But it was always practice, right? It's like, you know, once you do it on your
• 39:31
  mom for the or your girlfriend for the, you know, 20th time,
• 39:35
  like she's pretty much picked up on exactly what you're doing.
• 39:39
  And the reactions aren't genuine. A lot of times with this propolis stuff,
• 39:42
  you're gauging how they respond or you're right.
• 39:45
  And it's just not genuine. So I was like, well, there has to be a better way.
• 39:48
  And I tried playing around with like, could you practice with chat gpt could
• 39:53
  you practice and it just chat gpt is not even it's funny it's ai can't do trident there's just too many,
• 39:59
  very simple things that we as humans can do but it just doesn't get the nuance
• 40:03
  of the system and i tried so hard with all kinds of crazy prompts and like and even just,
• 40:10
  you can't it definitely can't do it but as a practice tool as a spectator i
• 40:14
  do talk about this a bit on the.
• 40:18
  What I realized is I need to build a tool where all of the practice problems were written by me.
• 40:26
  So some of them are actually real ones that I've had, but then I actually just
• 40:30
  created a bunch so that I could give you varying levels of difficulty.
• 40:34
  I could give you real situations. And that's one of the things that's so interesting
• 40:38
  and why I built those four pillars we were talking about earlier is because,
• 40:43
  if there was just one, you can't rely on that.
• 40:46
  It's not it won't be a worker if there's just one way of doing it because spectators
• 40:51
  are just going to do what they want to do especially with something like this,
• 40:55
  there's only so much instruction that they can follow,
• 40:59
  and even nick like you without realizing it you didn't follow some of the instructions
• 41:03
  i gave you and you probably and it's not because of you it's just the nature
• 41:07
  of the way that our minds work and that's what i realized after doing i'm like,
• 41:10
  this could work on its own, but it's not good enough.
• 41:13
  So I need other methods. And that's kind of how the whole system came to be.
• 41:20
  Yeah. Someone's brought up something, which is interesting. I think a good topic.
• 41:23
  Gihan's mentioning, ah, there is another thing on the market,
• 41:28
  different, but same effect of think of any word, which is Enigma by Christian
• 41:32
  Grace. And we love Christian. He's been out and performed here in Australia with us.
• 41:37
  And And this, when I first saw his, I was like, this is fooling me so bad, you know?
• 41:43
  And so, yeah, what are your thoughts on Enigma? Is it a similar thing with them
• 41:47
  asking that? What can you tell us?
• 41:49
  So effect-wise, I think a very, like you say, a very similar effect in terms
• 41:54
  of what is being delivered in the end result.
• 41:58
  I think Enigma was brilliant and a really huge step forward in this space.
• 42:03
  Now, you know, I don't want to get into too much about Enigma on how it works
• 42:08
  or anything like that at all, but...
• 42:10
  It was a big seed. It just planted the seed of like, I love what he did with this.
• 42:16
  I wonder if there's a way that you could, you know, take the framework or the
• 42:23
  concept very, very loosely, just as a language, I'll say, and,
• 42:29
  come up with some kind of system and language that could work without the need for the app.
• 42:35
  You know, Enigma was so brilliant, but the processing that goes on was just
• 42:40
  far too complex for the human brain, which is why the app was needed.
• 42:44
  And it, you know, it, it, it did that very well.
• 42:48
  And so I, that was like a, one of the first questions I asked myself,
• 42:52
  the first one was what would be the Holy grail of mentalism?
• 42:56
  And it was, think of anything, reveal it with nothing on you.
• 42:59
  So propolis word guess was the effect.
• 43:01
  Then it was, what's the best version of this that exists?
• 43:05
  And there was a few little things that came to mind, but Christians was probably
• 43:09
  at the forefront, even though it's technically not propolis,
• 43:11
  but for all intents and purposes, it is.
• 43:13
  It's just got the app helping you basically, but the spectators don't really know.
• 43:17
  And so that was a big kind of jumping off point where I started to think about,
• 43:24
  well, what makes that work? And how could you do that without the need for the
• 43:29
  application? So, you know, big shout out to Enigma.
• 43:32
  And it's great. I just think, I think one of the things that some people had
• 43:37
  issues with was the just getting the information there.
• 43:40
  There was a lot of procedure and process. So I also wanted to try to see how
• 43:44
  much I could strip that down. And I think I've achieved that with Trident being
• 43:49
  able to just really streamline that process as short as it can be, you know.
• 43:53
  Hmm. You know what I'm curious about? Actually, Thomas is asking the very same
• 43:58
  question where he's like, does the mentalism, does it tend to prove that most
• 44:02
  people will think of the same thing when they ask or think of a word?
• 44:06
  Or like, is you finding some commonalities? A lot. Yeah.
• 44:10
  And that's what I was getting at earlier, right? Like, it's the nature of the
• 44:13
  script that I give. But that's nothing but a benefit for the performer.
• 44:18
  Yes, you have this powerful tool that could guess one of millions of things.
• 44:23
  But if it's going to be one of 10 things every time, awesome.
• 44:27
  The spectator doesn't know any different, right?
• 44:30
  To them, it could have been anything and it just makes your life easier.
• 44:35
  So I have had a lot of repeats and, or at least particular types of things come
• 44:39
  up a lot, I find. And I think that's just human nature, right?
• 44:43
  And it's funny, Nick, what you did is what a lot of people do.
• 44:45
  Think of an object and they're like, right?
• 44:48
  They're looking around the room, right? And so context clues a little bit too,
• 44:52
  right? Can also help. Yeah.
• 44:55
  Because if you do it enough and you get to know in your area what people commonly
• 45:00
  will maybe think of, you could use that knowledge. Like you could have a photo
• 45:04
  of you holding that thing in your top pocket and you just bring that out when
• 45:07
  you get that particular hit.
• 45:09
  Totally. And that's going to blow their brain off. They're going to think that
• 45:12
  happens every time, you know? 100%.
• 45:15
  In my residencies, we've got like, you know.
• 45:19
  Animals heads on the walls you know what i mean and we've got like fake sheep
• 45:23
  it's like a western theme bar and all these different stuff has guns over here there's you know so,
• 45:29
  there is a lot of things to choose and some people when you ask them to think
• 45:32
  of something there's a you get that paralysis by analysis most times you know
• 45:36
  and you don't want to put that pressure upon a spectator if you sort of,
• 45:39
  give them a restriction it could just help them more than anything and make
• 45:43
  them feel comfortable 100.
• 45:47
  Yeah yeah absolutely absolutely what i also oh go on yeah i mean just because
• 45:51
  i i know everyone's thinking about this like everyone's like oh we want to see it you know
• 45:55
  like what is this this sounds crazy and so they're asking these little questions
• 45:59
  right like gihan saying can you clarify the nothing written down nothing said
• 46:03
  out loud in the ad copy well i mean i don't i haven't seen the project and i
• 46:07
  can say that when he just did this for us,
• 46:11
  on zoom he asked nick to think of any object and nick thought of the object
• 46:16
  and he never wrote it down and he never said his object out loud,
• 46:20
  and reed nailed it and so and even you know in the even in the language of the presentation,
• 46:28
  did i not pick up any hints of like like there's no way i could guess what nick
• 46:33
  was thinking of from the presentation reed was was delivering so i'm like I
• 46:38
  still don't even understand,
• 46:40
  the presentation, what clues Nick,
• 46:43
  like there was, it just, it's stupid is what we're saying.
• 46:47
  And so hopefully that clarifies that question. There's no, there was no phone.
• 46:53
  He didn't say like, click on this link and type in any object. There wasn't like.
• 46:58
  You know yeah anyway it's just fully properly there's nothing you that's why
• 47:02
  you know you don't get anything with the project i mean you get some tools some
• 47:05
  virtual tools to help you practice but
• 47:07
  method like strip out all the extras what you get is me explaining you how to
• 47:12
  do this in your head and how to how to perform it you know yeah,
• 47:17
  so for everyone watching this to be able to buy it or to pre-order it
• 47:21
  because he's making us wait god damn it is there's a link yeah wherever you're
• 47:24
  watching or listening to this there is a link to pre-order trident right now
• 47:28
  i think the the benefit is if you pre-order it now you're getting it at a reduced
• 47:32
  price to what it will be when it does come out right
• 47:35
  yep and can we talk about consulting on a,
• 47:38
  agt for a sec is that something we can do yeah yeah let's do it yeah before
• 47:42
  we jump into that there was something i've been dying to ask i've just been
• 47:44
  seeing on the sidelines and i think it's kind of important one of the things
• 47:47
  that was sort of discussed upon,
• 47:49
  at length when we discussed magic versus mentalism is that there is always an
• 47:53
  ethical line that gets crossed um,
• 47:56
  i don't but you know think of your dead grandma oh yeah she's talking to me
• 48:00
  like you know like there is that that ethical line that we cross i don't see
• 48:04
  this ever crossing the ethical line,
• 48:08
  with it being done this way but i'm just curious in the years you've been performing
• 48:12
  it has it ever sort of done anything to the extent where it made folks think that,
• 48:16
  you were at risk of that like was somebody thinking of some stuff that perhaps
• 48:19
  goes underneath their bed or in their top drawer you know i'm saying like yeah.
• 48:26
  You know i haven't had anything too r-rated i'll say or anything that's been
• 48:30
  too too crazy i almost did because i remember i did a performance
• 48:35
  and the guy said i told you to think of whatever r-rated thing it was and i
• 48:39
  was like no i still would have got it but anyway you know,
• 48:43
  i don't i think you're right because i mean i've absolutely i've had lots of
• 48:48
  people be like, okay, so you're the real deal.
• 48:50
  You're, you know, you're a psychic, right? Just from being able to do stuff
• 48:54
  like this because of how strong and clean it is.
• 48:58
  But I don't I don't think that's a problem unless you play into it,
• 49:03
  you know, unless you're trying to show people on the fact that you're a psychic.
• 49:06
  You know, I tend to live in the gray area with my my mentalism.
• 49:10
  I think that's a good place to live in terms of let the spectators kind of make
• 49:15
  up their mind on what they think it is. You know, you can use your pseudo explanations,
• 49:19
  body language, psychology, all that if you if you'd like. And I tend to do that.
• 49:23
  My character, you know, a big thing I've worked on is like how to combine cards
• 49:27
  and mentalism. because it's always said for so long that they take away from
• 49:30
  each other because card is just tricks and mentalism. You need it to feel real.
• 49:35
  And so super quick, my philosophy and approach to this, which has worked really
• 49:38
  well for me is when I do my show, I separate the cards and mentalism totally.
• 49:43
  So I do a card set and then I do a mentalism set.
• 49:46
  And the card set always comes first. One, because I mean, I can't really do
• 49:51
  a triumph after I guess your mom's name or something Like, you know,
• 49:53
  it just doesn't doesn't quite work that well.
• 49:55
  But also thematically, it's a, hey, the cards, I'm a magician and mentalist.
• 50:03
  I use the stuff that we do with the cards to get a sense how the room thinks,
• 50:07
  how you guys behave, process information.
• 50:09
  Then I'm going to try to use that later on in the show to see if we can do some
• 50:12
  cool stuff with your mind.
• 50:13
  Right. And so all my card tricks have a little hint of like,
• 50:17
  this is telling me how you guys how good your memory is or like it's a memory
• 50:21
  test or it's a intuition test. or it's, you know, some kind of.
• 50:26
  Psychological experiment or whatever so that it's still very card magic based
• 50:30
  i do a lot of like sleight of hand fairly intensive stuff but it's just got
• 50:34
  that spin on it so i can tie it into the mentalism set later right so i think
• 50:38
  it's it's all about how you play it at the end of the day.
• 50:42
  Imagine you tie it into things like in a show setting you know one person thinks
• 50:47
  of an object from a list of 100 on your phone and then the second person just
• 50:52
  thinks of any object they can think of,
• 50:54
  and like one you're gonna already know in advance before you even start so like
• 51:00
  that could be its own reveal and one could be its own reveal of any sort of
• 51:03
  thing which they're gonna tie into both of those things we just thought of in their head 100
• 51:08
  yeah there's like so many so many it's a great tool right there's so much you
• 51:13
  can do with it on stage and the stuff like that we've really just scratched
• 51:17
  the surface on like the amount of things you can go i mean that the tutorial,
• 51:20
  with Pete, the jam with Pete's three hours and the rest of the material is close to five hours now.
• 51:26
  And just in terms of explaining what you can do with all of that,
• 51:29
  you know, I tried to dive deep and I talk a lot. Yeah. Wow.
• 51:35
  So what, what's it like consulting on AGT? What, what's the pressure like?
• 51:38
  What can you tell us? It's kind of cool. A little inside look.
• 51:41
  Yeah, no, it's, it, you know what, it's super, it's super exciting. It's so, I don't know.
• 51:49
  How much you guys know have you heard of a magician called cameron marshall
• 51:53
  he he was auditioned was actually last week they aired it so you may have,
• 51:57
  seen the audition i think i might have seen the audition yeah blonde guy doing
• 52:02
  some card stuff sounding familiar yeah and so he is actually just we live in the same city
• 52:09
  and he got the opportunity to to go on agt and so i'm i'm working with him on that i i am,
• 52:15
  It's awesome. You know, AGT is such an interesting thing and so much that goes on behind the scenes.
• 52:21
  And we're super excited to see for everyone to see kind of where things have
• 52:26
  went. You know, obviously, I can't say too much about how things have gone up to this point, though.
• 52:31
  Stay tuned. There's a lot of exciting stuff to come.
• 52:34
  And so it's really been a fun experience. You know, I am someone who does enjoy
• 52:40
  more so just thinking about things on different levels and then the creative side of magic.
• 52:46
  And so getting an opportunity and working on the consulting side has always
• 52:51
  been something that I've really enjoyed to do.
• 52:54
  And with this, I think a nugget that's super interesting is.
• 52:59
  We were told, and this is sort of maybe a more unknown thing,
• 53:03
  but AGT has been very no more card magicians anymore on the show. That's been like there.
• 53:10
  We've seen too much. We had Shin Lim, Win twice. Yeah, that's enough, right?
• 53:14
  They're boring, right? They want the next big best thing.
• 53:17
  And so they gave him a chance purely off of his character and charisma and all that.
• 53:23
  And they kind of liked what they saw him doing on social media. And so...
• 53:28
  It was, but it was a challenge because we went into it knowing that they're
• 53:32
  like, yeah, we don't really anticipate you going very far because you're just
• 53:36
  a card magician. And he is, he is like the purest form of just a card magician that I've ever seen.
• 53:41
  Like one of the most talented card magicians I've ever seen.
• 53:44
  Like he is absolutely insane.
• 53:46
  And I, you know, I, I, I've never seen someone able to force a card as well as he can.
• 53:53
  His classic force is just out of this world. he fools me almost every day just
• 53:57
  with like he's just going to do something like he doesn't even know he just,
• 54:01
  you know he's going on news channels all week this week i'm like calling the
• 54:05
  night before so hey do you need need some some help with what you're going to
• 54:08
  do tomorrow he's like no i'll just wing it,
• 54:10
  just you know it's nutty and so,
• 54:13
  getting to to work on that has been really really cool and i think you know.
• 54:20
  I because i love cards so much so we we're both kind of aligned that we're taking
• 54:23
  this as we'll show you what you can do with cards a gt kind of deal right so
• 54:28
  we're getting to approach it like how show them something they've never seen before,
• 54:32
  with a deck of cards you know that audition happened in like we had like 10
• 54:35
  days to put that together so that was you know as a consultant very much i'm
• 54:39
  like what do you already know let's just do what you already know tweak it a bit for tv,
• 54:44
  and do that so that's what that was but the next ones is where the real creative
• 54:48
  stuff gets to happen so i'm super excited for those,
• 54:53
  Not saying like them saying we don't want to see more card magicians.
• 54:57
  It's like saying we don't want to see any more hip hop dance acts. Like obviously.
• 55:05
  We don't want people painting with brushes anymore. It's so, so 1600s. Yeah. Right.
• 55:13
  It's like, no, you don't want more. It's not that you don't want more card magicians.
• 55:17
  It's just that you want to see more unique card magicians, you know? Right.
• 55:21
  Which I mean, I frankly, I don't I don't think they have seen much for a while,
• 55:25
  which is probably why. And maybe it's because of their own doing,
• 55:28
  because they really put the hey, we don't really want this. Right.
• 55:32
  And so I we've got some really neat ways of how we're going to approach it differently.
• 55:39
  And so it's just so funny how they're, you know, some of the things are going to play out.
• 55:44
  And and yeah, actually, I see Red Aces says it was a version of Danny's routine,
• 55:49
  but it was great. But yeah, that was a big decision. If you guys watch his audition,
• 55:53
  there is a moment which is fully an homage to Danny because we both love him.
• 55:58
  You know, Danny's routine where he, you know, say stop.
• 56:02
  Oh, there's nine cards here. So that means these four are the nines and then
• 56:05
  take some away, say stop. Now they stop on two.
• 56:08
  Well, that means the nines must now be the two. So we threw that in there.
• 56:11
  One, because it's something that Cam does all the time and he's just so good
• 56:15
  at it that I was like, perfect. It's going to play well. It hasn't been done on the AGT stage.
• 56:20
  And it was a great little homage to one of the greats, you know,
• 56:23
  and so that was important for us too, because we think like,
• 56:27
  you know, we stand on the shoulders of giants and, and, and getting to share that.
• 56:30
  And Danny actually saw his performance and gave a really positive comment on
• 56:34
  it. So that was really awesome for him. For him. I know it was big inspiration.
• 56:38
  Now that you say that, I watched that performance literally yesterday.
• 56:42
  And so it was so quick paced and it was so like boom, boom, boom, nailing it.
• 56:48
  That makes sense. I think, you know, what people don't want to see on AGT is
• 56:52
  like, oh, guys, I want to show you something up close. Can I approach you at
• 56:55
  the table? Yes. Okay, great.
• 56:57
  Here I have a deck of cards, you know, please take out one.
• 57:01
  Oh, could you sign it while I look away? Okay, now put it back.
• 57:04
  That's what they don't want to see is they don't want to see.
• 57:07
  Take your card put it back sign it now was that fair was that fair was that
• 57:11
  fair i've had this envelope here the whole time from where you said stop when
• 57:14
  i riffled my thumb down like they don't want to see.
• 57:17
  Terrible card magic is what i'm saying 100 100 you know and it's with these shows it's it's really,
• 57:24
  tricky sometimes on on the consulting side i think one of the biggest things
• 57:28
  that i can do is try to make sure that,
• 57:31
  the performer gets to stay true to their artistic image and so the you know
• 57:36
  knowing this you know we had a real discussion where,
• 57:40
  it was like hey cam like we already know they don't want to see cards are you
• 57:44
  would you be content if we did card magic and you didn't make it past the audition
• 57:48
  you know like that was a real conversation because you think about like,
• 57:54
  is it like where's the line on how much you're willing to sacrifice and it was
• 57:58
  very clear like i mean that's him that's what he loves he doesn't like like
• 58:02
  he's the very like i only like card magic.
• 58:05
  That's all he's done since he was a kid. That's what he's amazing at.
• 58:08
  And so it was kind of like.
• 58:10
  I mean, let's just show them that they're wrong. Let's just show them that they're wrong.
• 58:13
  Right. And, you know, it was, it was a important decision because if he goes
• 58:19
  out there and start and, and, and start doing a bunch of mentalism,
• 58:21
  which is hot right now, well, then he's going to be, you know,
• 58:24
  people are going to want to book him as a mentalist.
• 58:26
  And now his image is going to be the mentalist and he's going to be,
• 58:29
  you know, miserable performing mentalism for the rest of his life.
• 58:32
  Right. Like, so it really is important to think about that when you go on a
• 58:37
  show like this, like, you know, I, I know.
• 58:40
  Josh you did australia's got talent i think right back in the back yeah,
• 58:44
  yeah yeah that's right and again i was like all right yeah i want to put my
• 58:48
  flavor into it and so i yeah do this like hip-hop dance and a backflip to find
• 58:53
  their card and and so but that's something i do in my live real show right.
• 58:59
  Like imagine you just did that for the show and you hated doing it and now i
• 59:02
  bet you getting asked to do that all the time right like hey can you do that
• 59:06
  you know so it's the same kind of thing where we had to balance the like artistic integrity and his,
• 59:12
  future and and how he wants to come across and it's all it's a branding it's
• 59:16
  big for branding too at the end of the day right you sometimes you get stuck in the trap of.
• 59:20
  You're the agt magician that's what everyone knows you as right so luckily i
• 59:25
  think we've striked an awesome balance and i'm super excited for everyone to see some of the crazy new,
• 59:32
  card magic stuff we got coming because it's pretty awesome i can't wait to see
• 59:37
  it i can't wait yeah look i feel like we're gonna be we're gonna be talking
• 59:41
  about this trident thing for a while and coming absolutely like i have i yeah,
• 59:46
  i look i was sold at the moment i saw it so i'm excited to get my hands on i
• 59:49
  get that pre-game signed up and and tell everyone what date does it actually drop for us to get out,
• 59:56
  sticking our hands on it trident is on pre-sale until August 1st.
• 1:00:02
  All of the pre-orders will be sent out on August 1st, and then the sale ends
• 1:00:08
  as well on August 1st, and then it's just available as a instant access project after that.
• 1:00:15
  You're going to ruin Magic Live. It's going to start on August 1st and everyone's
• 1:00:20
  going to be in their rooms skipping all the lectures, watching your frigging thing.
• 1:00:26
  That's crazy. Yeah, right. I never thought about that, but too bad.
• 1:00:33
  Too bad. Let's wrap this up with some fun, quick fire questions and then we'll
• 1:00:39
  wrap things up for fun. So are you ready for some rapid fire? Ready. All right.
• 1:00:46
  Favorite mentalist, go.
• 1:00:49
  I got to go with my good buddy Pete, man. He inspired me so much when I was a kid.
• 1:00:53
  When I was a kid, like growing up, I learned so much from Pete.
• 1:00:57
  And just to call him a friend now and have him on my project is like a crazy
• 1:01:00
  full circle moment. And I'm just very grateful for all these opportunities. But it's got to be Pete.
• 1:01:05
  He's a great dude, eh? Yep.
• 1:01:08
  All right. Favorite book. Oh.
• 1:01:13
  I'm going to go old but gold Practical Mental Magic by Ted Aneman,
• 1:01:19
  I'm a big Aneman guy and actually super quick plug I am actually,
• 1:01:26
  revamping that entire book I'm teaching the whole thing on video it is going
• 1:01:30
  to be like a five year project it is ongoing I teach two tricks every month
• 1:01:37
  over on my YouTube membership and we are,
• 1:01:42
  about a hundred pages into the 300 page book.
• 1:01:44
  We've got 60 something videos and I, but I don't just teach them.
• 1:01:48
  I revamp and revolutionize them and bring them into the 21st century with either
• 1:01:52
  a new plot or a new method, because some of the stuff in there is just ridiculous.
• 1:01:57
  I have a couple of funny stories about some of the methods in there,
• 1:02:00
  but so yeah, really cool.
• 1:02:01
  If you're interested in learning some of the backbone fundamentals,
• 1:02:06
  but like some really good stuff and then seeing it all modernized but also taught
• 1:02:09
  on video because I know no one wants to sit and read a hundred-year-old book
• 1:02:12
  anymore, but there's some really good stuff in there.
• 1:02:14
  All right. If you could choose only one, Billets or Propolis, which wins?
• 1:02:20
  Oh my god, that's a tough question. Right. Yeah, right it is.
• 1:02:24
  I'm going to go billets. I'm going to go billets. Ah!
• 1:02:28
  Alright. I just cannot give up my one ahead. I could not give up.
• 1:02:32
  Then what wins? The center peak?
• 1:02:36
  Like the center tear or a peak? A peak any day. A center tear can get lost. Yeah. Okay.
• 1:02:46
  Psychological force versus dual reality. Who wins? Dual reality every day.
• 1:02:50
  Every day. Psych forces are generally too unreliable.
• 1:02:54
  The stuff you can do with dual reality done well is just mind-blowing.
• 1:02:58
  All right. And we'll end with this one. What's one underrated book on mentalism
• 1:03:03
  that people need to get their hands on?
• 1:03:06
  I'm trying to think through my bookshelf. I am going to say it's a new book.
• 1:03:12
  I have not read all of it yet because it's so new and I just got it sent to me.
• 1:03:18
  But I know the person, I know the thinking, and I've heard nothing but phenomenal
• 1:03:21
  things. And from what I have read, it's just alien stuff.
• 1:03:25
  Immaculate Misconceptions by Joshua Quinn.
• 1:03:28
  His new book, ridiculous. Just dropped. Ridiculous. Just dropped. It's that good, huh?
• 1:03:33
  Yes. from what I've read in Sane, from what I have seen from people I really trust in Sane.
• 1:03:38
  I'm working my way through it. It's a monster. I think it's like 600 pages or
• 1:03:41
  something. But he just thinks like, yeah, I get an alien. I don't know what's,
• 1:03:47
  something wrong with him, I think.
• 1:03:49
  Yeah. To the best way possible. All right. And what's one last thing?
• 1:03:53
  What's one piece of advice, one piece of advice that you would give to really
• 1:03:57
  help benefit everyone listening to your words right now? Every mentalist, every magic magician.
• 1:04:04
  I think the best thing that you can do for your mentalism is to every month,
• 1:04:09
  put away some money into a piggy bank and buy Trident. No, I'm kidding.
• 1:04:17
  I think one of the things that I'm really big on when it comes to magic and
• 1:04:23
  mentalism in general is performing.
• 1:04:27
  And I know there's a ton of hobbyist magicians out there. I heard a stat.
• 1:04:31
  I don't know if it's true. I don't know who came up with it,
• 1:04:33
  but it must be true because I heard it.
• 1:04:36
  So 90% of magicians are hobbyist magicians. I mean, it makes sense.
• 1:04:40
  I believe it. I totally believe it. It's probably higher than that, I would say.
• 1:04:44
  But, and I think, you know, I think hobbyists are the backbone of the magic industry.
• 1:04:51
  And I mean, we've all been there. And I think,
• 1:04:55
  getting out there and pushing yourself to perform is probably the best thing
• 1:04:59
  you can do, not only for your magic journey, but for your personal journey,
• 1:05:03
  your growth as a human. I'm just really important.
• 1:05:08
  Okay. So in the spirit of that, I'm going to, I did make a rapid fire on just Trident.
• 1:05:13
  So these are basically yes, quick, no questions. Let's go for one more minute,
• 1:05:16
  just for the sake of really, I'm driving this home. So I got all time.
• 1:05:19
  Okay. So, well, okay, we'll, we'll, we'll go a bit deeper. So like, who's the project for?
• 1:05:25
  Great question. I think the project is for anyone who is interested in being
• 1:05:33
  able to perform what I would say is the best piece of mentalism you can perform with nothing on.
• 1:05:39
  If that sounds like something that's interesting to you, I would consider looking
• 1:05:44
  into it. I know it's an investment, but.
• 1:05:49
  I would much rather have someone who doesn't buy it than someone who buys it
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  and is an unhappy customer.
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  So if you have any questions, reach out to me, all that. But I do think,
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  in terms of skill level, all skill levels, I've made sure it's open for beginners as well.
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  In the spirit of that, who shouldn't buy it?
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  I would say if you are someone who wants to be a bad mentor. No,
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  I'm just trying to think here. I would say.
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  If you have, if you have, oh, this is a tough one. This is a tough one because,
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  I, you know, it's tough because I've, I've, I've made it try to be applicable to so many people.
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  I'd say if maybe you have no interest in kid magic. Well, I've said,
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  I've had some kids do it. They can do it too.
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  I tested it on kids. I thought about everything. I taught a few kids to do it.
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  But no. Yeah, if you're younger and you're looking for, you know,
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  maybe you want to, I would say, try out a couple other like simpler prop list
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  things. See if you like it, maybe before taking the dive because it is a more expensive project.
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  And I think that's a good place to start kind of thinking about.
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  And then if you do like it, I think it could be a great sort of step up from there.
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  But it is very easy. that's why it's just hard to give like a you know,
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  yeah it's probably i should have worded it better by saying that like i mean
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  it wasn't really a question until you mentioned it but i have to debate who
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  shouldn't buy yet probably would have been the better thing or it's like get
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  you know get your toes but,
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  go swim in the ocean yeah make sure it's for you make sure make sure you like
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  this style of mentalism right if you're someone who's not interested in mentalism,
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  i mean there you go that's probably someone who uh it's probably not for you
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  then right yeah okay does it require memory work,
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  zero no there's nothing to remember besides just script.
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  Does it work one-on-one as well as in groups yeah i have a full video dedicated
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  to doing it on stage or with groups and you can do some really crazy stuff,
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  can working pros realistically perform this the same week they learn it oh.
• 1:07:58
  Yes, you can perform it within a few minutes, but I wouldn't recommend it.
• 1:08:03
  Right. Yeah. Let it ruminate over about a month or so, would you say?
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  I would say once you feel that you have a full grasp of the system,
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  the different techniques involved, and most importantly, the script,
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  you're golden to start trying it out.
• 1:08:17
  Okay. This is kind of a two-part question now. Which routine on the project are you most proud of?
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  I think a version that no one's even seen. I think it's the prediction version.
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  Where to me, this is the purest, most organic form of mentalism is write a word
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  down on a billet, place it in your spectator's hand and have them think of any word.
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  They open up the billet and the word's written inside. The prediction layer
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  just makes it so much stronger.
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  So I think Trident allows you to crack this problem in a way that's never been
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  able to be cracked under such clean conditions before because of how Trident
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  allows you to get the information in such a clean way.
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  And which routine do you perform the most?
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  The billet version. I love the billet version. As a practical version,
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  I think it's the way to go.
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  It's just, it makes it a little bit easier for the spectator,
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  makes it easier for you, the exact same in terms of strength,
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  actually even stronger from an effect perspective because of what you can do
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  even traditionally with billets.
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  You implement some traditional billet work, combine it with Trident.
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  Now you have just, you know, inspect in the audience's mind, crazy stuff.
• 1:09:29
  Last question. If you want people to remember one thing after learning this
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  system, what do you hope that is?
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  Do you mean like in terms of about Trident itself or more as like a philosophical level?
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  Do you hope that perhaps that you, when they learn this system,
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  they walk away for a new appreciation of what it should be, that it influences
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  the way that they perform mentalism as a whole and that,
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  you got to be part of their mentalism DNA, which then in turn,
• 1:09:59
  as the years go on, they will look back on like what really changed them.
• 1:10:03
  They'll say, I give credit to Reed Ferry for influencing me with the way that
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  he does things. And I want all my mentalism to be that pure or seem that pure.
• 1:10:13
  For sure. I think, I think, I mean, that, that sounds like a dream for everyone
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  to be an inspiration to others, right?
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  I think more so I want, I guess my brain goes more to Trident itself.
• 1:10:25
  And I want people to take away from after the project, realizing that they've
• 1:10:29
  been given a tool, a new tool in their tool belt that solves a lot of problems that other tools can't.
• 1:10:36
  But always keep in mind that there is so many tools available to us.
• 1:10:41
  And Trident is best used like any other tool in the right, like combined with everything, right?
• 1:10:47
  And so take that and use that to enhance all of the mentalism you do.
• 1:10:54
  And I think thinking about things on,
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  a little bit of a, like you mentioned, a little bit of a deeper level and kind
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  of, yeah, if people want to take away some of the ways that I approach the mentalism
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  and they learn a lot of my thinking on the project, I think that's wonderful
• 1:11:08
  along the way. Amazing. That's us.
• 1:11:12
  Look, now all you've done is just pump us all up now. We're like,
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  just fucking give it to us now, but we're going to wait.
• 1:11:20
  If you want to scope out, if you have any other questions, I feel like our viewers
• 1:11:23
  can reach out to you, right? Through Instagram. 100%.
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  Instagram, email, even Facebook, I will answer. I'm doing my best to answer
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  everyone. I want people happy with their purchase. That's what's more important
• 1:11:36
  to me than anything. So if you have any questions, happy to answer.
• 1:11:39
  Hell yeah. So reach out to Reid. You can follow him.
• 1:11:42
  He has so much content on YouTube. You can go there right now through the links
• 1:11:46
  in the description of where you're watching this or listening to this.
• 1:11:49
  And he has his own membership series on YouTube as well. You can already start
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  learning stuff from Reid is what we're saying. It's not just this project you have to wait for.
• 1:11:58
  And we could have kept going for another two hours, I feel like.
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  But we're going to end our episode in the way that we always do,
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  which is by giving our guest the final word.
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  All right. You know, I want to first off thank everyone for all of the incredible,
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  incredible support when it's come to Trident.
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  And, you know, even just everything in my journey in magic. You know,
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  I feel very grateful. Everyone who's pre-ordered and supported, thank you so much.
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  If any of this sounds of interest to you, go ahead, check out the project.
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  I would love it. If you're on the fence, shoot me a message. We can chat about it.
• 1:12:36
  If you just want to learn, you know, a little more about my style and my thinking,
• 1:12:40
  you can go check out the YouTube channel.
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  But I'm very grateful for everyone who has supported the journey,
• 1:12:47
  who's picked up Trident and who's just ever said anything nice over on the channel.
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  Thank you so much. And I hope that this answered all your questions and that
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  I really appreciate everything. So thank you.
• 1:13:00
  Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now. Disappear now.
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  But we'll see you again on the next episode of The Magic Guys.