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Stop Selling Your Joy: The Case for Unproductive Hobbies · The Inspiring Real Life

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Hi picks and besties, you ever feel like everything has to be a hustle?
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: Or if you are taking a little day for some RR, you have to explain why.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think most of us culturally do.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: I was at dinner with some friends of mine, and what I think is ultimately the highest compliment, one of my friends said, Have you thought about opening an Etsy store and doing that?
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I the whole way home I was like, Wow, that's like that's such a compliment.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I started to think about it, and I was like, shoot, that's a trap.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's what I'm calling the you should sell that trap.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: And the person saying it has the greatest of intentions ever.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: But it's the world that we live in.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: If you can't monetize, ultimately, why are you doing it?
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you create content for social media, your end goal should be to monetize, right?
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: Or why would you even spend the time to do that?
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: Not because it's a fun creative outlet, but it's what opportunities and how can I monetize this?
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: Everything we do needs to be a side hustle.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: On one hand, the world is getting increasingly more expensive, and a little extra money here and there is amazing.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's so helpful.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: And considering you could even make money doing something you love, what a win-win situation.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_00: But the reality is we need something that we can do for pure enjoyment.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: We don't need to make money from it.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: There isn't a deadline.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: It is something we do solely for us and solely for our enjoyment.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because otherwise, what I personally have found is if you do start the Etsy shop and uh journey down that path, you'll wake up in a couple months drowning an admin and you hate your hobby.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: And suddenly you're like looking for something else to do.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: We've started to equate business and productivity with our self-worth.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: Unless you are on vacation, which is intentional expensive time to relax and recharge, the rest of the time you need to be grinding.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: If I have to lay on the couch and do nothing day, I have to explain if it comes up in conversation, well, I I wasn't feeling well.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: I work some on my laptop while I was laying down, or I'm gonna catch up tomorrow.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: I plan to work on Saturday.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's not, you know what?
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: I was just exhausted.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't have anything I had to do that day that was like mandatory, and I decided I'll figure the rest out, and I need this.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's not a cool, socially acceptable thing to admit that you do.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's the trap of justifying downtime versus being like, this is what I chose to do with my time.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: When I was working as a nurse, especially during the pandemic, which I was a little bit different, I would say like post, I would say post-pandemic hospital culture in my experience is radically different.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: So most hospitals don't employ enough members of staff.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: Nursing is what I know, so it's what I'm going to equate it to.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure if you work in healthcare in another setting, it's the same.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, I know it's the same.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: But we would be down nurses, and the reality is other staff members would pick up shifts and they would work many, many, many days a week for relatively low incentive pay.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: But that's what it looked like was that they were like making themselves the victim almost of the circumstance, but it was also like, look at me, I'm giving so much to the organization, you know, like I'm saving the unit, and we as co-workers, if we weren't doing the same, we were bad co-workers.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: The reality is the hospital needed to hire more people.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: But I started to feel bad because everybody was being self-sacrificial, their life, their health, you know, people were depressed.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like, people were also not nice to patients.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: And part of the pure exhaustion concern that I have from a healthcare standpoint is are you even safe to be taking care of patients?
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: Totally burnt out, exhausted, ridiculous lotus when med errors happen, things are missed.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: And the reality is if you have to pick up that many shifts, you probably have more patients than you're actually able to take care of.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: But these people were self-sacrificing, so ultimately the hospital didn't have to, you know, hire more people.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like we as nurses making 30 something to maybe$40 an hour were bailing out the hospital by picking up extra shifts.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: They consider like these people consider themselves an A plus employee and they're saving the day, but the hospital literally only sees their employee ID number.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: You're boss, you're just another person, and if you don't, someone else will.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: Self-guarding yourself is the most important thing.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: But in our society, we praise the people that are doing the most.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes doing the most is not what's good for us.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: But if you're working 80 plus even 60 plus hours a week, because you have to sleep, you have to eat, you have to go to the grocery, there's certain maintenance tasks that take time.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: But if you are working overtime every single week, you're exhausted.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: So how do you even have a hobby?
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: Besides TV.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: And hot take, TV is not a hobby.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: TV is a passive exercise.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: I do think that audiobooks is a hobby, but that's a really fine gray line for me.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: Sue me.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: Probably because that's because I like to listen to audiobooks.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: So it's cool if I do it.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: As a nurse, I have the utmost empathy because you almost have to pick up.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like there is this like very weird tension of you barely make enough if you're a single-income household, let alone if you have children, especially more than one child.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're not your only person.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: Or if you have hobbies, or if you have hobbies like wanting to travel, or you like expensive things.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: I like expensive things I used to pick up so I could buy crap.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: So you don't want to be burnt out at the hospital, you want to be safe.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: So you decide not to pick up any extra ships at the hospital, but instead you're gonna monetize your hobby.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: There is this, I need to make extra money, so instead of getting a second job at Starbucks, maybe I should sell my embroidery on the internet, or maybe I should figure out how to monetize my content.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: Another thing that can be expensive is going to the gym.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: And if you can monetize going to the gym, well, that's you know, an hour you're working out every day, you just film that, you just post, you know, this about your gym, maybe what you're eating, you already have to meal prep.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you get paid for that, you'll get paid to endorse protein powder, whatever else it is.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: So it's really easy to be like, no, I I like I need the money, I enjoy doing this, so I might as well like make the money with it.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_00: So bear in mind as we talk about this topic.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: I also deeply understand as a nurse that made$38 that sometimes that's not enough and you have to find ways to make more money.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: The only like semi-decent option you have is to monetize a hobby.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: If you monetize with a hobby, I will say this and I will come back to this.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: Have something for yourself.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Even if you are a content creator, I have certain things I don't post about because, like, when I'm watercoloring, I'm doing it.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: I hate to say this, sometimes it is so that it can be a part of my content.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: What happens to your hobby when you have when you start factoring in deadlines, customer service, how much are you going to make, figuring out how to monetize it, algorithms, marketing.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, if you're gonna do it, you might as well do it and market it, and then so you can actually make money from what you're doing.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's not just I'm posting this to an Etsy shop.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: There's a million Etsy shops.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: You still have to do all the work so that people find your thing.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: But sometimes the motivation is I I need a little extra cash.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard, it's really hard.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: But then suddenly you open the Etsy shop and you're miserable and you literally never want to pick up another pair of knitting needles again.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how we went on this one.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: But I do have some strategies to help us maybe win.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: If you're like, okay, I need to monetize something because I'm not making enough money, or you're like me, and you're like, I will burn out, and it will be quite ugly if I cannot lead this career.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: I cannot do this for the rest of my life, it's not good for me, it's not good for my relationships, it's not good for my family.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I have to figure out another plan and make it plan A.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: So you have to monetize something.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: And for a lot of us that's starting a business, that's start working in social media, at least to supplement, because if you jump career tracks entirely, a lot of times you're taking a lower paid position.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: So you you need to supplement.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: So now you're in this situation where you're at your kitchen table and you're like, I have to make extra income.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: These are my skills, these are my hobbies.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: How am I gonna monetize something over here?
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm calling this the side hustle on it.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: This is your quick diagnostic tool, and we're gonna ask three questions before you turn a passion into a business.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: Do you enjoy the administration?
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: So, marketing, shipping, accounting, or just the act of creating?
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if you have to monetize something and you want to work for yourself so that you don't have to clock in at Starbucks at a specific time and you're a little more on your own schedule, you're gonna have to enjoy the admin.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: So, are there ways you can enjoy the admin?
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: Are there platforms or are there some specific hobby jobs that have less or more admin than others?
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: Will adding extra, well, adding financial pressure ruin the rest relief this activity gives me.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it will.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna answer it.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it will.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe, maybe your heart loves, loves, loves quilting.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: Your grandma taught you when you were eight years old, it is what you do when you're stressed, it is your favorite hobby ever.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: The you are the person from last episode with the quilting is a life bumper sticker.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like, that's your thing.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: A word of advice from someone that has been there.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: Don't monetize that hobby.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: That is for you, that is something that is special.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you randomly sell a quilt here or there, but you're that's not your Etsy shop, okay?
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: What you're gonna start your Etsy shop on is maybe you can make baby clothes.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe what you do then is you leverage your skill in quilting, and instead of quilting quilts for people, maybe you can design patterns.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: And that's something that you don't have to do a lot of admin on.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's a downloadable PDF, something that you post, you mark it a little bit, so you make a couple quilts for it, post it to a TikTok, some decent marketing, um, but then it lives as a PDF downloadable thing on Etsy that you don't have to ship, you don't have to do a ton of admin on.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: You just really need to market and make sure that you are not in any violation of your Etsy account.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Cool.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: So that's a way to leverage your passion without actually giving up your passion.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: I loved a needlepoint and I'm like very heavily in needlepoint TikTok.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: I have seen so many people, and I would be really curious to talk to some of them, that needlepoint and have started painting needlepoint canvases and have started a needlepoint store.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: My curiosity is do they st do they actually still enjoy needlepointing?
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: For me with content creation, I'm not a videographer, I'm not a photographer, I'm a creative individual.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think that shows in my content.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting better, I'm learning how to do it.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm learning how to make content, but that was not something that I loved doing.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: That was something that with relatively low initial startup cost and capital equipment, I could start making content from my phone.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm recording this podcast on my phone, and the reality is I could like try and make money.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: The question that is number two here is will adding financial pressure ruin the rest relief this activity gives me.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: I've never gotten rest from filming.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: That that's not my thing.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: I know people, I went to high school with people that like they were filming stuff and like that's what they did for fun.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's not me.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: But the ceiling is virtually endless on content creation, and the amount of money that I stand to potentially, potentially make from being a content creator far outweighs the strain.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because if I'm we said I'm making$38 an hour as a nurse, that's less than$100k a year.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Plenty of content creators with fewer than a hundred thousand followers make more than$200k a year, and that is very low fish for like that's like very low stakes, like way low into the spectrum of what content creators can make.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: So the ceiling is so high, and yes, the financial pressure, if I can start to actually make money is so worth it.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: My question is, and this is what I don't know, like going back to needle pointing, you have to hand paint those canvases.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: Do you, unless you're able to contract?
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: I know some brands contract with factories in Asia that paint for them, and it's a lot cheaper.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: But if you are actually hand painting stitch painting canvases to sell on Etsy, your time's worth something.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: Are you making enough money to warrant the extra time and it ruining a hobby?
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: I can't answer that for you.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe I'm speaking to someone that's in this spot.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you you've given it a good, honest go for a couple months, and you're like, nah, I don't like the admin.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really struggling to market it.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: It is taking way too much of my time, and it's basically adding zero financial benefit.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: Babe, cut and run.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: Cut your losses.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the reality is, I'm gonna completely contradict myself, and I know that, is sometimes you have to stick with something.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: Painting needlepoint canvases, it's not very scalable.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's something I would cut and run if you don't feel like dealing with a factory in Asia and figuring out how to massively reduce your cost.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't tell you to cut and run if you're making content.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: If you're like, I desperately need to make extra money, you need to figure out how to make it work.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think way too many people quit too early and they never see what they could have been.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's where you personally have to weigh.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: Do I enjoy doing this at all?
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: Some days I don't enjoy making content.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: I would say the better question to ask yourself is is this better than the alternative?
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: How can I lighten the load?
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: And you have to personally decide if it's worth it or not.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: Just take the time to like think through it.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: If that's something you want to do, talk to people.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: At the end of the day, people might be very negative, especially if you're leaving a career.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: And at some point, it's your decision.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: You have to own it.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: Right, wrong, otherwise, good, bad, or ugly.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's your work that has to go into it.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, any financial investment is going to be yours.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: So at the end of the day, if you're really passionate about something and really want to do it, just do it and see what happens.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: You can always backpedal.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: So back to the side hustle audit.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: Do I enjoy the administration or just the act of creating?
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: And like we said, sometimes you have to like the administration or get over the administration if you need to monetize something.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: But second, will adding financial pressure ruin the rest relief this activity gives me?
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Or is there a way to leverage your skills and do something kind of adjacent with it?
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: You're a master quilter, so maybe you can create quilt patterns and sell it.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: It takes a lot of work to make a pattern up front, but then you're kind of able to like let it do its own thing in the background.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's a thought.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: Three.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: Am I doing this because I genuinely want a business or because I feel guilty just wasting time?
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: This is my caveat here.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: If you are someone that does not need to monetize, just take up a hobby for yourself.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: You don't need to make money off of Etsy from it.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: You don't need to.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: That might just be that you feel guilty about quote unquote wasting time, and that's a something to potentially even talk to like your therapist about.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, but you need to like flip the way your brain thinks.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: Or my husband is a physician and he genuinely wants to own and operate a business.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's like a deep desire of his.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's not out of fear of wasting time.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: My husband is great at wasting time.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's just something he really wants to do.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but that's totally different, whatever your motivation is.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so ask yourself those, think through it, talk to some people, and ultimately it's your decision.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: You're the one owning, operating, running, doing all the things.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're all in, just do it, babe.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: If you just start a business and you're monetizing a hobby, make sure you have things for yourself.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: If you're like, this is what I need to do, great.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: I am so glad that you have the opportunity to do that.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: With the internet, it's so much easier to monetize a small hobby and not have to have a full-fledged business and with all these platforms you can use.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: Make sure you have something for yourself.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Just something that you love that is only for you and that fills your cup.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: Just have a few things, it's so important.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I read a book earlier this year um about raising your children the Danish way.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: The Dutch are just really good at letting their kids play, and it is unproductive play.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of cities are built around, we'll leave it with so many playgrounds per like population density.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like the Danes play, and so much of it isn't structured, but Danish adults are also just really good at playing.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: They are called the second happiest nation on earth, and I I would attribute probably some of it to just like they play, they have a good time, like that boosts your mental health.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: Our cortisol is significantly lowered when we are creative, and 45 minutes of unstructured creative activity significantly reduces cortisol, and that's not related to your skill level.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: I painted some watercolor, I like have a cheat kit from Amazon, and I painted on our deck back and I painted on our back porch on Saturday.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not good, it's terrible.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's not it.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: I felt so much better.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: You need to give yourself the permission to just be bad at something and to just allow yourself to be creative, whether it's journaling, which can also be extremely therapeutic, especially if you're short on time and need to like do a little mental health mastery as well on yourself.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: Journaling, it doesn't have to be beautiful.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: I talked last week about junk journaling, it's literally just acquiring things that you normally would throw away and trying to slap them in a way that makes you happy in a notebook with a glue stick.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's not necessarily always aesthetic, you don't always have aesthetic trash, but it's collecting memories and it's cutting things out, and it's just something to do.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like it doesn't have to be this big massive production or something that is worthy of a million view posts on social media.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: It could just be something small and humble that makes you happy.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: I don't need to tell you that most of us adults are just burnt out.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know that.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: So you have permission to be bad at something.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: That is unproductive play.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: It is not paint something so that you can give it as a gift or so that you can hang it on your wall.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: You literally might watercolor paint something to throw it in the trash, but it was something you were able to do, and it was time well spent because it was time being creative with no clear purpose.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: You might be sitting here, you might be a mom with little kids, and you have a busy career, and you're like, I get all of this, but how do I find time to do something that is unproductive?
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: I need every minute to be as structured as possible.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: I would argue something, but you have the time, and I probably know how you're spending it.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: You're probably scrolling on your phone, you're probably watching TV.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: You could do something that's creative.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: Creativity is better than just consuming.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: Consuming can be good within limits, but being creative has a huge personal profit margin for yourself.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: It will recharge you if you paint for an hour on a Saturday.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: It will re help recharge you for your busy corporate week on Monday.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: It is just beneficial.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: Science has shown that being creative is huge for a well-balanced life.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, just look at the Dutch.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: They're very happy people, and most of them play in our creative adults.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: You don't see that in most adults in our country.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: What I do when I'm like needing to be creative, but I'm so exhausted, need to spend time with my husband.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: We turn on a movie and I needlepoint.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's not as good as sitting there silent, and there's so much processing that happens when you're creative.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's not as beneficial, but I'm still being creative.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm still sitting next to him, and we're still having a shared experience of watching a movie.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: So it's vegging movie, creative needlepoint, bonding, shared time with my husband, albeit not the best time.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: But it, you know, but again, we're talking at bare minimum, that's something you can do.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: Take up a hobby like crocheting or knitting, or you can paint with the TV on.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: There's lots, there's lots of options and lots of ways to like find little pockets of time, and it doesn't have to be two hours at once, it can be 30 minutes.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: Or, like I said at the beginning, I think audiobooks count as a hobby, so listen to an audiobook while you're doing laundry.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: Several of my friends have started listening to audiobooks while they're nursing in the middle of the night.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like there are ways to find small things that fill your cup.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: I would encourage you to do one activity that is for zero profit.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: You have zero intention of monetizing it, zero intention of posting it on social media that is solely for you.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: Now I say I said it had zero profit.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: I argue that it has wide-ranging personal profit.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: The PP, the personal profit.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then I would further challenge you to every single week, even if it's only 20 minutes, do something for personal profit.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: For no other reason, other than this makes me happy, it fills my cup.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because the whole purpose of what my mission is with this podcast is to help you love the life that you're living now.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: You have to be able to enjoy certain pockets of your life and be able to be recharged by certain pockets of your life in order to even have a hope of loving the life that you're in.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: So this is such a small piece, but I would encourage you to find something small, get on social media.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: There's endless ideas on Pinterest, on TikTok, on Instagram of really simple hobbies for people that have interests similar to yours.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're absolutely endless.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: I guarantee that there's really busy moms that'll tell you how to redeem 20 minutes and do something that you love.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: We would be here all day if I listed all of the things.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: Believe it or not, running is a hobby, knitting is a hobby, writing is a hobby, photography's a hobby, gardening's a hobby, volunteering's a hobby, cooking, wine tasting is a fun hobby.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: Drink responsibly.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: So with that, babes and besties, go do something for personal profit this week.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: If you want, comment, let me know what you're gonna do and let us know on social media what you're gonna be doing for personal profit this week.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: But I will have a fabulous rest of your week, and I will see you next Thursday.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Bye!