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  Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, everybody. Welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian, who with Alison
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  Speaker 1: and this is maintaining frame. Today we're gonna be reacting
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  Speaker 1: to a channel called Psychology with Doctor Anna. The title is,
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  Speaker 1: but these Men Get Laid Doctor Anna.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's our title.
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  Speaker 3: That's our title.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the original title.
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  Speaker 1: Is Saddest Takeaways from Louis the Rowe's Manisphere documentary Saddest Takeaways.
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  Speaker 4: So these guys who are multimillionaires and actually have women
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  Speaker 4: who are interested in them, they are the saddest men.
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  Speaker 4: One wonders what Doctor Anna thinks of their audience. And
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  Speaker 4: you know, the the average schmo who has no chance
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  Speaker 4: in the dating market. One wonders, One contemplates, one thoughtfully
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  Speaker 4: considers her opinion of the average man. If these guys
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  Speaker 4: are sad is what I'm saying. Okay, yeah, all right,
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  Speaker 4: So before we begin, I just want to tell you all.
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  Speaker 4: I know a lot of you already know, but Voidcat
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  Speaker 4: has returned to the Void from whence she came. She
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  Speaker 4: a last year she had a mysterious anemia in which
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  Speaker 4: her immune system was attacking her red blood cells.
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  Speaker 2: We were able to.
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  Speaker 4: Get her back on the mend with steroids, but unfortunately
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  Speaker 4: she took a very severe turn for the worst about
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  Speaker 4: two weeks ago, and she had one of the lowest
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  Speaker 4: red red blood counts that the vet ever saw. I
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  Speaker 4: we took her home. We tried to you know, make
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  Speaker 4: her comfortable, see if a new round of steroid treatment
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  Speaker 4: would help. But unfortunately she never really recovered, and at
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  Speaker 4: one points it was obvious that she wasn't she wasn't
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  Speaker 4: going to make it, she wasn't gonna make a recovery,
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  Speaker 4: and she was in a considerable amount of discomfort. So
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  Speaker 4: we made the decision to go to the local vet
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  Speaker 4: and have her put under.
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  Speaker 2: And not not an easy decision.
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  Speaker 4: And I was there until she passed, so she was
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  Speaker 4: with me, she was with my husband, she was with
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  Speaker 4: well Scipio was barking the entire time, so in a
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  Speaker 4: way he was also there to usher her into the
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  Speaker 4: to the other world.
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  Speaker 2: Not sure if that was really appreciated.
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  Speaker 4: But she passed peacefully and I was petting her while
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  Speaker 4: she went, so she got to do what she loved best,
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  Speaker 4: which was.
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  Speaker 2: Annoy me by constantly wanting pats.
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  Speaker 4: So godspeed to the void.
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  Speaker 2: Cat to Mia she she is.
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  Speaker 4: She was twelve years old, so it's a little bit
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  Speaker 4: Cats can live forever, but then they have some cats
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  Speaker 4: that just seem to not do that. Well, it just
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  Speaker 4: I guess it depends on the luck of the draw.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean she was very sick a year ago,
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  Speaker 4: so we did get an extra year fron with her,
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  Speaker 4: and it was always sort of like touch and go.
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  Speaker 4: Uh so, and I know a lot of you really
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  Speaker 4: love the Void Cat. And but she'll be here in spirit.
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  Speaker 4: Every time our computers completely meltdown or I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: a button gets hit and our entire stream goes to.
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  Speaker 1: Put it'll probably be her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be her.
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  Speaker 4: In spirit coming at us with the chaos of the void.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I guess f's in the chat for Voidcat.
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  Speaker 2: And okay, so yeah, all right.
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  Speaker 3: I told Mike about it too.
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  Speaker 1: He said that, uh you know, if you guys remember
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  Speaker 1: Mike used to do those little animations m hm, and
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  Speaker 1: Voidcat was a recurring character in them. So maybe he'll
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  Speaker 1: make another cartoone.
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  Speaker 4: A memorial to the chaos from the Void.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, let's let's.
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  Speaker 3: Move on, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So, yes, so we are going to be reacting to
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  Speaker 1: this video by doctor Anna called the saddest takeaways from
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  Speaker 1: lewis the rose inside the manisphere. So I want to
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  Speaker 1: let's before we get into this, Okay, let's let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you a little bit about who this person is
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  Speaker 1: that we're reacting to. This is according to her YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 1: This is just to get us ready. Okay, So psychology
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  Speaker 1: with doctor Anna. I'm a psychology educator and fiction author
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  Speaker 1: with a doctorate in clinical psychology. My goal is to
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  Speaker 1: make evidence based information about relationships, personality, and more accessible
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  Speaker 1: to the general public. Make oh yeah, okay? Is that
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  Speaker 1: originally I think it's supposed to say, and I know
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean to correct some I would a doctorate,
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  Speaker 1: But what it says is my goal is to make
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  Speaker 1: evidence based information about relationships, personality, and more accessible to
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  Speaker 1: the general public. So that that's what it should say.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's how it should read. This channel is
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  Speaker 1: for informational and entertainment purposes only. It does not substitute
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  Speaker 1: therapy or constitute a therapist client relationship. If you are
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  Speaker 1: having a crisis, call your local crisis hotline. My videos
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  Speaker 1: are general and not specific to your unique case. Please
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  Speaker 1: do not contact me for advice, comments, and emails. Are
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  Speaker 1: largely handled by a manager, not myself. If you are
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  Speaker 1: a former client, I cannot engage with you on this
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  Speaker 1: platform due to confidentiality.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, so, she is a.
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  Speaker 1: YouTube psychologist basically that makes videos.
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  Speaker 2: And this is evidence based.
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  Speaker 4: I'm guessing it doesn't even touch endo chronology in passing
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  Speaker 4: or evolved traits in passing. But you know, I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: there's gonna be I'm sure she doesn't use Cosmo poles
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  Speaker 4: and Twitter Twitter surveys. I'm sure that this you know.
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  Speaker 4: I this is my first time encountering her. I've read
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  Speaker 4: some of the comments by you guys saying that she's
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  Speaker 4: a misinterest. So like I'll be finding out, I'll be
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  Speaker 4: I'll be delving into this mystery anew like completely fresh.
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  Speaker 4: This is.
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  Speaker 1: Blind uh blind play through doctor Anna.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 4: But I do love her smirk, you know, because that
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  Speaker 4: really says caring professional, a duoper's delight smirk as she
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  Speaker 4: roasts a bunch of men who are basically where they're
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  Speaker 4: at because there is a lot of desperation and a
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  Speaker 4: sense of hopelessness among men that these guys could actually
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  Speaker 4: monetize by presenting like a a living vicariously through their lifestyle,
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  Speaker 4: let's say, but we're not going to address that. We're
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  Speaker 4: not going to address what constructed these men. We're just
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  Speaker 4: going to point and laugh like they're a freak show.
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  Speaker 4: That's my guess. I mean, I could be completely wrong.
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  Speaker 4: I could be completely wrong. But you know, again, if
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  Speaker 4: these guys who are multimillionaires who have women are a
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  Speaker 4: freak show that we're pointing and laughing at. One wonders
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  Speaker 4: what the average dude is in doctor Anna's mind. One wonders, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: let's let's find out, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, before we do the things, I mean, before we start,
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  Speaker 1: you should do the things.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I should do the thing. Sorry I got thrown off.
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  Speaker 4: All right, So the monthly fundraiser is live at feedbadger
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  Speaker 4: dot com slash support, and our general attitude towards supporting
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  Speaker 4: men is maybe stop telling them that they're trash and
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  Speaker 4: they do everything wrong, and maybe appreciate what men and men's.
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  Speaker 2: Psychology does for society. Maybe that improve the men's mental health.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it's worth a try, you know.
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  Speaker 4: So anyway, if that appeals to you, then go to
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  Speaker 2: Don't don't laugh.
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  Speaker 4: People have who actually despise us, have sent me messages,
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  Speaker 4: paid to send me messages. Well, I don't know that
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  Speaker 4: despises a strong word. Strongly disagree with with us. They've
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  Speaker 4: sent us messages, so who knows? You know, whatever you
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  Speaker 4: that we you want us to address.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's uh, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna with the introna. Let her set the stage.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds like an excellent plan.
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  Speaker 5: British journalist Louis Thereux recently made a documentary about the Manisphere,
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  Speaker 5: a cluster of men who create online content for boys
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  Speaker 5: and other men, where they teach them other masculine and
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  Speaker 5: how to treat women.
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  Speaker 3: You put masculine in quotes. I don't if you saw that.
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  Speaker 1: What was that, Alison, I'm looking at her books.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm looking at her books?
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  Speaker 3: Are you looking at her book?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I'm probably going to do that. I'm gonna I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: scan her books. Damn it. I need to get closer.
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  Speaker 2: I need to enhance, you know, like Blade Runner Inhance.
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  Speaker 1: A song at dead Man's Cove, it says, or Cave a.
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  Speaker 4: Song at dead Man's cave. I'm going to find out
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  Speaker 4: what that is. Just give me a second. I got
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  Speaker 4: to pull up my assistant.
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  Speaker 1: Keep going, all right, let's keep going.
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  Speaker 5: I watched it, and I had a few thoughts, specifically
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  Speaker 5: on the way that poverty, trauma, and social media algorithms
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  Speaker 5: encourage on ethical behavior, on the ways in which we're
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  Speaker 5: failing young men who don't have positive role models, and
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  Speaker 5: on the fact that a lot of these content creators
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  Speaker 5: are putting on a facade. They're not who they say
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  Speaker 5: they are, but they're creating an entire generation of men
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  Speaker 5: who will believe the fucked up things they say.
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  Speaker 4: Let's tell you a second, they they are who they
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  Speaker 4: say they are.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so she said, wait, I should like listen to
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  Speaker 1: that again, because it's a little bit confusing. I want
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  Speaker 1: to make sure we hear that right, creating.
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  Speaker 5: An entire generation of men who will believe the fucked
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  Speaker 5: up things they say.
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  Speaker 6: Let's talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: All that that they're having an influence.
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  Speaker 1: So basically what she's saying is is that the Manisphere
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  Speaker 1: guys presented as documentary, that's her book.
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  Speaker 3: It's her book. Uh huh, yeah, it makes sense. You're
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  Speaker 3: saying that.
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  Speaker 1: The Manisphere men featured in the documentary may not believe
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  Speaker 1: the things that they reach, but that they're having an
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  Speaker 1: influence over men who will believe it.
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  Speaker 3: That's what she's saying.
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  Speaker 4: So and what are these what are these men preaching
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  Speaker 4: that that's so egregious.
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  Speaker 1: They're the they're the Manisphere. Well okay, so that's the intro.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so she.
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  Speaker 3: Gets into like this thing.
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  Speaker 1: About materialism and like how these guys are selling a
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  Speaker 1: materialistic lifestyle and that that's bad even though again they're
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  Speaker 1: just doing what they think women want. But that's not
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  Speaker 1: a problem that women want it, I guess so, but
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  Speaker 1: it's sort of like a way to sort of discredit them.
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  Speaker 1: But then she gets into.
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  Speaker 4: Why would you break potamometer in your title?
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  Speaker 2: It's awkward?
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  Speaker 1: Why would you what why would you break?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's called pentami meter. It's the.
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  Speaker 4: It's like the usual cadence of of how English works.
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  Speaker 4: It's a line of verse consisting of five metrical feet
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  Speaker 4: with the hell iambic pentameter. Is the opening passage of
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  Speaker 4: Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, two households both Alike and Dignity
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  Speaker 4: and fair Verona, where we lay are seen from ancient
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  Speaker 4: grudge break to new mutiny, where civil blood makes civil
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  Speaker 4: hands unclean. You see that has a rhythm that allows
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  Speaker 4: you to say it, yeah, trips off the tongue. A
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  Speaker 4: song of dead men's cove. A song of dead men's
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  Speaker 4: cove just doesn't have the same rhythm. Anyway, continue, Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna jump.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, she goes into this thing about how the
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  Speaker 1: man sphere is, you know, featured in the documentary.
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  Speaker 3: It's basically just like materialistic, right.
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  Speaker 1: They're showing their cars and their pools and their yah
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  Speaker 1: and this stuff. And she's like, oh, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: just kind of shallow. But she doesn't really And this
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  Speaker 1: is the thing that I find is funny is she
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really say anything about how you know this is.
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  Speaker 1: They're just doing what they think women want. Like that's
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  Speaker 1: literally the brand, Like I'm going to get the things
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  Speaker 1: that I think women want and then yeah, that might
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  Speaker 1: be materialistic, but it works on women, So like is
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  Speaker 1: that not an issue? But anyway, I'm going to jump
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  Speaker 1: ahead to of course she'd say something like, well, that's
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  Speaker 1: not how I work. I'm gonna jump ahead to where
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  Speaker 1: she talks about objectification. So I think that's like right
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  Speaker 1: here an envy too for four minutes, So like right here,
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  Speaker 1: I think, hmm, I have.
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  Speaker 5: No idea how many sponsors I've turned down simply because
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  Speaker 5: they were like not ethical.
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  Speaker 1: No, she's basically saying that, like she doesn't she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: work with sponsors that are unethical.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, what do they do of poverty?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, let me go back a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Oh is she is she an alleged COMMI.
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  Speaker 1: So, like I saw like one of her other videos,
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  Speaker 1: but it wasn't about men, and it was a while ago.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get any Commy red flags. But I do
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  Speaker 1: think that, like she is a woman, So there's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of that, just like like in nature, like
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  Speaker 1: we should take care of people, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Like that recognition of the underserved Yeah, she probably is, though,
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  Speaker 1: Like to be honest, I mean, she if she went
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  Speaker 1: to school, there's a pretty good chance she did not
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  Speaker 1: get out of school without failing at least one saving
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  Speaker 1: throw against Commy gobbledegook. So she probably has some of
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  Speaker 1: it at least. But let's hear it from here.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, these men choose to take the money at the
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  Speaker 5: cost of their integrity, especially if they have a history
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  Speaker 5: of poverty trauma where they don't ever want to be
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  Speaker 5: in that position again. But this is not just something
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  Speaker 5: that content creators need to take responsibility for, because at
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  Speaker 5: the end of the day, it's caused by algorithms that
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  Speaker 5: all of us use. If we want ethical content creators,
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  Speaker 5: we need to change the way algorithms work by not
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  Speaker 5: constantly just craving negativity, by consuming ethical content that leaves
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  Speaker 5: the world a better place rather than a worse place.
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  Speaker 5: By supporting content creators outside of algorithms, like signing up
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  Speaker 5: for their newsletters, by not engaging with outrage farming where
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  Speaker 5: people are just saying the most outrageous things they can
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  Speaker 5: think of because attention brings the money, or by engaging
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  Speaker 5: in more positive content, you know, like giving a like
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  Speaker 5: leaving a comment, when somebody is like just doing something lovely,
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  Speaker 5: like I don't know, making a video of like gardening,
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  Speaker 5: where it's like, okay, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Feel I'm sorry, that got a little rambly.
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  Speaker 1: People who make wholesome content do really well on YouTube
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  Speaker 1: as well, So I don't know what she's getting at,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that what she's trying to do is
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  Speaker 1: basically say there shouldn't be mean people online, and if
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  Speaker 1: anyone is popular but also mean, then that's the fault
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  Speaker 1: of not just those people or the people that watch them,
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  Speaker 1: but like the system, and so the system has to
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  Speaker 1: get arrested and you know, put into So it's just
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  Speaker 1: kind of a pointless thing. But that's not what I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to get at. I'm trying to get to something else.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's fun. At least it lays the groundwork of person.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: It lays the groundwork of the kind of thinking we're
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  Speaker 4: dealing with. So yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, what can one
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  Speaker 4: keep going?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, person succeed on the algorithms versus somebody who's just
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  Speaker 5: constantly shitting on other people, And it's kind of sad that,
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  Speaker 5: like for people who are very outrageous who are outrage
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  Speaker 5: farming a lot. They can say the worst things in
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  Speaker 5: the world with no repercussions, actually more rewards because again,
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  Speaker 5: we live in an attention economy, whereas the standards are
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  Speaker 5: so much higher for moral people, because if you build
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  Speaker 5: an audience based on moral behavior, that audience is more
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  Speaker 5: likely to.
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  Speaker 6: Be Is she.
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  Speaker 4: Victimizing over herself of her.
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  Speaker 2: Being more moral?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I think so, although I think her channel is pretty
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  Speaker 1: decent in size, So you know, does that mean that
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  Speaker 1: she's also outrage farming?
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  Speaker 4: Like well, I mean people have called her a misundress
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  Speaker 4: in the comments, so presumably it doesn't come from nowhere and.
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  Speaker 3: From here are the comments under our video.
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  Speaker 4: In the comments in in our chat, I mean in
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  Speaker 4: our chat.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, our chat content.
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  Speaker 2: I would like you guys to substantial her.
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  Speaker 3: Chat's completely in lockstaff with her.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, of course, because she's a very moral person,
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  Speaker 4: but probably doesn't allow dissidents because she's so moral you see.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, But but.
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  Speaker 4: Honestly, like, if she is, as you guys are saying,
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  Speaker 4: a mis and dress, then she sells outrage. She's shitting
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  Speaker 4: on people. Well, men, I guess that doesn't really count
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  Speaker 4: because the penis people aren't really people.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, like one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 4: She's doing all the shit that she's accusing other people
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  Speaker 4: of doing. But you know, I want you guys to
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  Speaker 4: instantiate this. Let's just not allege it. Tell me how
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  Speaker 4: she is a misinterest. So far, this is bland as
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  Speaker 4: bland as frick. I mean, there's there's is this basically
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  Speaker 4: just lukewarm porridge that has come out of this screen.
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  Speaker 4: I'm waiting for the I'm waiting for the playload. I'm
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  Speaker 4: waiting for the meat, the rancid meat.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, Well, then the audience of like somebody who's following
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  Speaker 5: like a terrible person.
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  Speaker 6: And if you then fuck up, even in.
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  Speaker 5: The slightest bit, if you have you talk about about
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: something that previously you agreed with your audience on, you're
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: gonna get a lot more repercussions for that small thing
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: then the person saying outrageous things ever gets. We live
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: in a society that incentivizes immorality. Isn't that a little
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: bit concerning? And I think this like greed.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So again, these are kind of silly claims because
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: she says if you're making moral content, which she doesn't say,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: she is one of those people, but it sounds like
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: she's implying it because she seems to be speaking from experience.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Then if you step out the line a little bit,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get a lot of shit. Like that's the
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Internet in general. I don't know what you mean by that, Like,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: no matter what you try to do, even if you
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: are one of these awful people, you're gonna get pushed
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: back unless you want an echo chamber like I don't know.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: But anyway, and this desire for materialism also partly explains
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: why a lot of these content creators resent women. They're
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: envious of the things they perceive women get simply because
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: they're beautiful. Like they think that the average woman is
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: just constantly getting invitations to go on yachts, which I
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: think is pretty rare in my experience.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know, let me know.
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: In the comments, have you ever.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: I think that they are okay, So how did this happen?
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Because this is a lot of sophistry and intellectual dishonesty.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: There's a difference between saying beautiful women get a free
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: ride and saying all women get a free ride. Although
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: women do get a free ride, they get a free
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: ride legally, they get a free ride. Socially, they get
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: a free ride. Financially, they usually get a free ride
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: when they accuse their partners of being narcissists, which apparently
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: all of them are.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: So I mean, no, you're wrong.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but as you're not letting her straw man like.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: She's talking about specifically women getting invited onto yachts, not
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: women getting like lower sentencing or you know, getting slept
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: on the wrist for like raping underage boys in their classrooms. No, no, no,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: it's about women getting invited to yachts. Have you been
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: invited to a yacht? If not, then she wins and
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: you're just a misogynist. That's the way this works.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: I don't think she's attributing to them an opinion.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: By the way, nobody in that movie claimed that women
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: are always getting invited to go on yachts anyway, none
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: of them, not even those guys. And I don't consider
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: those the men they feature the Manisphere were obviously Louis
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Thuroux was going out of his way to find the
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: most fringe people that he could, like, that were he
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: could appropriately misrepresent, and he even took those guys out
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: of context in probably every case.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: And she didn't even.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Look to see if there was anything else substantial about
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the manisphere and chose to stick with those examples and
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: then take the straw men that that that those guys
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: already were wouldn't when you take, you know, edit their
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: clips and all that.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: And on top of that, even then, even.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: That extremely exaggerated version of those men who are a
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: fringe already outside of the manisphere in terms of their
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: beliefs and stuff, even those guys never said anything about
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: women getting invited onto yachts. That like she's literally pulling
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: shit out of her ass and refuting it.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: No one said that, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. These
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: guys didn't say that. So basically she's saying because beautiful
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: women get significant benefits because they're beautiful, and women generally
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: get significant benefits not having to be conscripted. Ever, right now,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: women in Germany can still leave Germany, whereas men who
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: are conscription age cannot. So, yeah, women get significant benefits
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: that men don't. Men are always beholden to the societies
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: that they're a part of.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: It never changes.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Don't let people lie to you about that. As soon
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: as any country has need of its young men's bodies
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: to go throw them in a wood chip or it does,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: it does, and that doesn't apply to her. And then
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: of course there's all of the body of law that
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: explicitly only protects women but not men and actually degrades
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: men's legal position relative to women. Right, there's all of
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: that as well. And then there's all of the family
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: law that explicitly benefits women. And we know because there
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: are now situations where they've tried to change that in Tennessee,
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: I believe, where they've actually created presumption of shared custody
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: to oppose the de facto maternal custody. And you don't
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: have to do that unless there's a de facto maternal
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: custody in operation. Right, So there's all kinds of things
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: that the average woman gets and the average men does not.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, not to mention, the average.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Woman's identity isn't constantly under attack by a now trillion
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: dollar industry that is undermining men as partners, as fathers,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: as workers, as any possible social role in society, any
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: possible role in society. You have a campaign to undermine
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: men in it. Right, So this is absolute bullshit from
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: stem to stern. But also she is conflating these guys
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: saying that beautiful women get stuff, even more stuff. Let's
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: face it, right, beautiful get women get even more stuff. Right.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: An average woman can, at any time, if she gets
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: her head together, get a relationship, a family, and children
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: with a man who's probably two standard deviations more attractive
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: than she is at any point, and that is also
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: a benefit. Maybe she doesn't get invited to yachts, but
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: if she's in any way sane, she can get married
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: and have children. This is not a situation that men
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: are in at this point. And I can tell you
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: that because of that dating and I don't even think
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: they were trying to redpill anyone but that dating the panel.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Remember that the dating panel where.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: You had two four, three and a half guys who were.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Absolutely ready to step up. You know, in any other era,
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: these men would have been married five years ago. Some
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: woman would have locked that shit down immediately, like right
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: out of high school.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Done right.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: They're still single, and they are ready, like they are providers.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: They are ready to concede points, to pull their weight,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: to recognize they're wrong if they're wrong. And the women
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: that they were paired with were.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: They they were not ready.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: They were disregulated baboons is what I like to call them.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Like they were, they were they were so close to
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: just not having a cortical layer capable of controlling their impulses.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Except there were and there was one who was like
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: who who was more put together? But she had really
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: delusional beliefs about her life, Like she's like, I I
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: just I wanted I didn't want to sacrifice my career
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: for family and children. And then they're like, well, what
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: do you do? Well, I'm I'm a manager at a
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: thrift store. She's she's not like inventing some new tech,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: radical technology that's going to take us to Jupiter. She's
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: a man in a thrift store, which I don't there's
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: nothing wrong with being a manager in a thrift store,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: but it is it really what you want for your
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: life's goal is instead of having a family and a relationship,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: like you're not You're not You're not adding that much
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: to the course of human endeavor by not having kids.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Here lady, all right, anyway, Yeah, okay.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: Received in notation to go on a yacht. But even
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: if it were true, even if like every single woman
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: was constantly bombarded with like offers of extreme wealth and
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: materialism because she's a woman.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: What these men failed to.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: Realize is that they would only be getting those things
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: because of sexual objectification and those what.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Does you think it's bad? Doesn't mean you're not getting it? Like,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: what how does this? Oh, I've decided.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: That isn't she kind of throwing shade at women that
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: would go along with this. She's not doing it because
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: she's blaming the man. She's saying, you know there, you're
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: she's only going with you because you want to have
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: sex with her. And they're like, yes, I mean, look,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's not it's not my thing. But
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: you just got to look at the absolute state of
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: modern women and relationships.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: And some of these guys are like, well, this is
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: what works. I'm going to do it. I can't get
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: mad at that.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: No.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: But also she's just and this is what objectification is for.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: This is why the mouth noise they make the mouth noise.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: It's because they don't have to feel like they're getting
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: something from it. They can once again be a victim
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: of being afforded privileges other people don't have. And incidentally,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: it's of course the white women, white, wealthy, attractive women
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: are the most depressed in the world based on objectification
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: right there, they're the ones who are really getting hit
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: hard by that.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: And and and.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: What's making that's what's so awful about it, is that
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: people want to be around them. They want to be
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: nice to them, they want to give them stuff, they
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: want to be friends with them, they want to have
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: sex with them.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Oh god, oh my god.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: A mammal having access to sex, that's just that's just
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: a nightmare for a mammal.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Isn't it, Like yeah, you know, And.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: And they have turned that into a source of victimhood.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Is that not astounding?
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Is that like just that makes everything these women say
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: absolute bullshit. They cannot acknowledge a single thing that they
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: get that they maybe don't deserve, right and maybe it
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: is a privilege that they might want to at least acknowledge. No,
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: they have to turn it into victimhood. They have to
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: turn it into victimhood because that's where they're comfortable. They're
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: not comfortable having a cortex. They must dismantle it, okay.
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: Right, go out the door.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: The second they sleep with the men, or don't sleep
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: with the men, or get older. It's like these content
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: creators don't understand that these aren't things that women are
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: just handed as a result of being born female.
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: They're the.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Just because on the extreme end, you know, you get
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: hand you get you get to hang out in yachts
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: and have careers doing nothing except mugging at cameras. You know,
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: on the on the extreme end, women get that. But
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: then all the way down the steps, women get something
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: right in the middle. They get preferential treatment in the
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: justice system, preferential treatment to the family courts. They don't
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: have to be conscripted. That's all the way to the bottom,
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: right right, you know, that's that's what they get bare minimum.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: They don't get their genitals mutilated when they're born.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, there's a lot of stuff you get by
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: just virtue of being female. And incidentally, isn't this very
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: sixsists sexist? Just out of curiosity, she's just what is
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: CIS sexist or whateverphobic? It's transphobic what she's saying here,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: because these are definitely things that trans women don't get.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: And you're you're not really checking your privilege as a
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: CIS woman, are you. I know, I'm just I'm just
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: I'm part of hypocrisy.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: I know, okay, all right, let's keep going the game
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: of objectification and dehumanization. You know, like the woman who
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: was in HS Ticky Talkie's house that he referred to
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: as his dishwasher, and she was just like all along
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: to his misogynistic insult.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: She just was a misogynistic insult.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: If only she knew what how much damage he did
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: to her when he jokingly referred to her as a dishwasher,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you know, if only she knew the trauma.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know what's misogynistic. Doctor Anna is inculcating
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: such a sense of learned helplessness that women think a
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: joke will lay them low and constrain their options in life.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: It's a joke, laugh, move on, like whatever.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: Because she gets to experience the material benefits of being
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: in his orbit. That woman, in my opinion, has chosen Okay,
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: I'm going to experience all this objectification and dehumanization, literally
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: being compared to an object, a fucking dishwasher, because I
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: get certain material perks. Most women don't like that kind
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: of contract.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Most I mean, like she gets to like they at
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: a house with a pool. I think I don't know,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I think she Most women are not like pigmies. She's
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: kind of calling her a pigmy in a way, right, whatever.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I like, I don't care to be bothered.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of these insults, like women like this
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: are so precious and so fragile, Like I don't care
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: to be bothered for the most part.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, some things do bother me, and I well,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I call that out, but for this, don't care to
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: be bothered? Right? Why why would you?
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Why would you expand the mental energy on something like
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: this when there are bigger problems in the world.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Obviously the man was joking.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: About when? What about when when feminists like Clementine Ford
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: joke about killing all men or yes, all men, or
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: choosing the bear or something like that.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what about the women would choose the bear?
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: You're basically do mean.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: If you confront the mind that they'll say it's a joke.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Do you take a joke?
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Bro?
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Does she actually ever talk about the absolute state of
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: female influencers and how freaking demonic they are?
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I don't watch her content. I came across one thing
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and it wasn't gendered. It was about something else, Okay,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: so I couldn't tell you. I'm not sure, all right,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: let's keep going and are going to.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Want to sign up to that, or even if they
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: do sign up to it, they're probably going to experience
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: a lot of trauma as a result of it. And
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: these men in the documentary were always talking about like that.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: So, okay, you see did you did you catch what
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: she just suggested there? He said that if a woman
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: does go along with it, she's likely going to experience trauma.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: So she's basically saying that if you do, if you're
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: a woman and you go along with this, like the
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: girl in that clip that she was referring to, that
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: that man is going to do something bad to you
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: and you're.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Going to be traumatized.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: So she's she's pathologizing men in general now based on
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: her feelings about that situation, even though later on she
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: kind of contradicts herself.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: But we'll get to that later.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Okay, But if this is going to traumatize women, what
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: is constantly referring to every manifestation of masculinity as toxic
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: going to do to men and boys like everywhere? Like,
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: if this is going to traumatize women, what's adolescent's going
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: to do to boys?
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just complete delusion right here. The complete absence.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: Of understanding that half the human race are people, and okay,
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: fair enough, she thinks men should be held to a
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: higher standard of toughness in stoicism. But at the same
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: time she holds men to a higher standard of toughness
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: and stoicism because I'm.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Guessing she wouldn't consider it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: She'd probably it's not even on a radar that men
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: should be harmed by things like all men, I choose
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: the bear kill all men. Men should be reduced to
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: ten percent of the population, toxic masculinity, patriarchy, privilege, all
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: of the ways of condemning and making men small that
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: are most like you know on her fingertips as a
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: credentialed psychologist who takes part in that witch doctory. You
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: know all of that, She's not even considering the impact
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: on men. So she's de facto expecting men to attain
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: a level of toughness and stoicism that women are not expected.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: Women should be able to use being called a dishwasher
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: in order to rearrange the freaking universe to suck on
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: their ass for the rest of eternity, but men should
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: be able to tolerate being told they shouldn't exist at all.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: You just suck it up.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: But we can never acknowledge that we are expecting more
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: of men every This person doesn't even know her own mind.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: How can she possibly be in charge of other human beings.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: She's the reason why men don't speak.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Fair, don't seek therapy, and probably well I'm not gonna
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: say you shouldn't, but.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Be careful, No, I know, but I'm saying that's the
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: reason why they don't.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: But anyway, the.
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: Matrix, the matrix they fear. That's like trying to keep
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: you down, that's trying to keep you in poverty. But
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: they themselves are a matrix. Louis Thrue did a great
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: job of showing out. They exploit the most vulnerable men
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: who are looking up to them with like gambling and
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: investment sponsors that are really shady. It's not too different
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: from how like disenfranchised boys turn to gangs as an
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: easy way to make good money, and then they go
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: on and exploit other people as part of being in
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: those gangs. And this is a good segue.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Into my now, Okay, so this is where it gets them.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: We get into the meat of it.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: So he brings up remember when we watched the movie Allison,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: and there were.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Those two.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Young guys, they're like two Latino guys by the way,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: that were basically talking about how much they got out of,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: you know, like Justin Waller's work. Now I don't you know,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: we don't know the details of like how much they're
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: paying him or what. But all we know is that
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: they explain their situation and like that they did not
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: have a father in the home and that was but
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of these Manisphere guys also
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: didn't have a father in the home. I don't think
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: that's true of Meron, but I know it is of
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Justin and hs ticket talking for sure. But again, these
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: are we're looking at a fringe of a fringe, right,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Like these guys are a small fraction that Louis thro
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: selected and even acknowledged that because in the beginning of
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: the documentary he says most of the Manisphere are relatively
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: moderate podcasters and comedians, which, you know, who knows who
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: he's referring to. I assume Joe Rogan or something who's
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: not in the Manisphere but is in the Manisphere because
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the media has decided it the podcast bros. I guess
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: they're all Manisphere guys now theovonn you know whoever it is,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Shane Gillis. But anyway, though, Louis Threau acknowledges in a
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: sentence that you'd have to be listening for to hear it,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: that the most of the manisphere is not these guys,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: but that he chooses to make it documentary about these
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: few fringe guys. So there's an acknowledgement that it's a fringe.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: And then within that fringe you have men that have
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: that are coming from fatherless or broken homes, and there
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: should be I don't know, from someone with a doctorate,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I would think that'd be like U huh, I wonder
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: what the common denominator is with this, and maybe there's
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: something we can do to address this, you know. But
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I well, let's just keep going. You'll see where we're
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: getting at.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: So, okay, next point.
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: Which is that it really seems like young men and
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: boys are craving role models. A lot of them are
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: in pain, and they're not sure.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: They're not craving role models. They're craving recognition of the
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: unique things they contribute to society, or at the very least,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: recognition that they are held to higher standards than women
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: because this is what I'm this, I'm a finding this infuriating.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: All right, I'm not going to speak for the average dude,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: But if I were in this situation where I'm being
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: held to a higher standard than my sisters, than my wife,
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: than my girlfriend, than any woman in my life, my
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: female co workers, and I'm being held to a higher standard.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: I have to go and clean up the vomit on
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: the bathroom floor, I have to go lift the heavy
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: boxes in the storeroom. Now I have to suck it
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: up when I have to listen to misunders jokes in
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: the workplace. You know, I and my feelings are put
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: on a lower shelf than the women around me, And
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: in every circumstance, I can't complain about this, and I
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: am forced to rearrange everything for the comfort of the
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: women in my life. At some point I'd be like,
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: you know, it's really annoying to hear that I have
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: to be more stoic, I have to be tougher, I
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: have to arrange myself.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: For all the women or women around me.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: And at the same time, I am being told that
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: they are sacrificing for me, that I am an position
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: on them.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Stop saying that to men and boys stop.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Having a like a gigantic financial economic cluster, like a
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: death star, constantly going after the industries that men and
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: boys are drawn to, meaning they can't get work right
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: like a Obama's infrastructure bill got scuppered.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Why because most of the money would go to.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: Jobs for men, because those were the jobs that were
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: lost in the financial crisis.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: And feminist said, oh no, you're not going to do that.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Everything has to go to women.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: And men have to suck that up too, and they
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: have to suck up watching women take their jobs and
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: not do them.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: And I have seen this myself repeatedly.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: I have seen cruise like grounds keeping cruise men working.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: They're they're doing the work, and then I go past
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: the grounds cuse just randomly. I just go to the
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: city on a day, on a random day, no particular like,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: no no reason to do with looking at garn Cruz
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: and I'm just walking through the city walking my dog
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: on a random day. I only go to the city
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: like six times a year, and I'm walking through I'm
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: watching the grounds keeping crews that are men doing their job,
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: and then I go past three fucking women wandering around
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: a playground with clipboards, and then they're just sitting on
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: the play structures. You know, they're they're they're swinging back
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: and forth, they're going up three of them going up
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: a slide and looking at bolts or something, and then
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: they're sitting down on the picnic and having a little
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: another talk about whatever it is. I'm like, this is
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: this is it.
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: You are giving men's jobs to women, and women are
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: even doing them, and it's infuriating. And I'm tired of
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: being like, oh, wow, you know, maybe no, this is
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: what I see.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: This is what I see.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: Women don't want to do the job, they don't do
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: the jobs right, they want to get paid for it,
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: and then they want to have chats with their coworkers.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: How is it even possible that one day out of
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: six that I in a year, that I decide to
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: go walk through a city I see this. I see this,
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: like multiple male crews doing their job and then a
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: bunch of women just sitting down at a picnic table talking.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: How is that possible? Unless this is something that is
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: actually happening. And I'm just noticing because I have a
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: I don't know the cortical structures to notice. I am
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: a noticer all right, let's keep going.
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: All right, let's keep going for men that they can
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: find strengthen a lot of these guys in the manisphere
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: position themselves as like coaches that will teach men how
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: to be men. Hs Tiki Talkie said, I coach boys
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: how to beat I'm.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Gonna say bitch.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say bitch. Did you you chose that thumbnail?
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: Why did you choose yourself smirking?
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Does that speak?
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Does that say that you're gonna give men a fair run?
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: And also, these men, they came from somewhere.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: They came from the absolute destruction of the average men,
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: the average men's work prospects, because our society has decided
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: it can survive without lean mass. And what I mean
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: by lean mass is an effective military, and effective effective
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: industrial sector, and effective infrastructure sector and a defective commodities
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: so mining refining sector. We've decided we don't need that shit.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: We can offshore it and everybody can be a ballless
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: bureaucrat or a harem girl. That's our freaking society, giant
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: fat berg on a tiny remaining island of men who
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: still do the work that needs to get done. And
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: all of that has destroyed men's prospects in terms of work.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Right, It destroyed men's.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Prospects in terms of work. It has reduced their respect
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: as members of their society. And then on top of that,
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: they have to deal with a narrative that undermines their
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: worth as partners. Every single second of the day, fox
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: cap feminism is pumping out more crap about Oh, women
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: choose the bear.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Oh men are emotional.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Laborer is the new stupid thing. Oh men don't do
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: their pull their job. They do pull their weight by
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: the way they do right. Men don't don't do they
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: don't do childcare. Well they do if they have an
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: actual guarantee that their relationship isn't going to be interrupted
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: at the whims.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Of the woman.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: At every stage, men are grinded on by this society
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: and treated like they're not just disposable, but worthless trash
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: that should just march itself out.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Guys like this they are parasitic on that desperation because
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: they are good looking enough, they make enough money that
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: they can command the attention of multiple women and construct
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: that harem, that prestige harom that these guys are looking
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: at and living vicariously through because they aren't going to
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: get a wife, they aren't gonna get children, they aren't
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: going to get a freaking job that respects them. They're
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: gonna get fucking all and then they're going to be
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: constantly harped on as being worthless. God, I am in
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: a pissing mood today.
• 45:29
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• 45:32
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• 45:34
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• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So we're talking about fatherlessness now, all right,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: let's let's see where she goes with the role models,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: which leads into.
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: Fathers aise as a success coach who gives advice to men.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: It was sad to see in the documentary how boys
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: were coming up to these guys calling them role models,
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: and it kind of begs the question, what is going
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: on with men these days that they are crying out
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: their role models.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: So actually look at what those young men said, and
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: I can't fucking believe she's not even okay, does she
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: acknowledge that at all?
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Give it some Yeah, she's going to go into a
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: little bit.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: But he says he thinks that it's tragic that these men,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: these young men went to these guys for help, but
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: never asks why there's no other help? There was, like
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: nowhere else for them to go. Doesn't even think about that, Well,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: why don't they go to a teacher?
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe because the teachers are like not
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: going to help them, like they're their enemy.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Well, let's keep going.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: They'll turn to these like clearly immoral men for that
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: type of leadership.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're not just a little bit, they're not Like,
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: where are you standing to say that they're immoral, Because
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: from where I'm standing, you are immoral, and the entire
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: are the entire edifice of what you represent is immoral.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: What you represent is the marginalization of masculinity. Saying that
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: men aren't valuable to society by virtue of who they
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: are and what they do. That's immoral. That is profoundly immoral,
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: especially since now all of these Western nations are making
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: grumblings about conscription.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: You've spent how.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: Many years saying that women can do anything a man
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: can do, but apparently not die in a trench.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: That is immoral?
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: So where does she get So even though these guys
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: are sketch in my opinion, and I think that there
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: are actually parasitic on the problem, they aren't actually solving anything.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: The fact that they say to you, young men, hey,
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: you can actually make your life better and you are
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: worthy of doing so, makes them, you know, several shades lighter.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: You know, it's like black versus great. These guys are great.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: You are black Anna black black black coal black in
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: your coal black art.
• 48:23
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• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure like what that is, but thank you,
• 48:32
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• 48:39
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• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I'm curious because I don't know how it works, but
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: thank you. I assume hex one, uh, he said, should
• 48:49
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• 48:52
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• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, let's get good.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: And this is where the meat of it is, because again,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: this woman is supposed to be a clinical psychologist, right,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: and these are the people that insist that men have
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: to go to them for their problems. Right now, women
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: already do that and it hasn't really worked out for
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: them either, by the way, but like, but you know,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: they insist that men should be going to them. So
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: let's see how she's gonna sell this.
• 49:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah, am I I mean I could be complictely, I
• 49:25
  Speaker 8: could be completely off base here, Like I'm saying that
• 49:28
  Speaker 8: she's got a black heart, and I'm just saying that
• 49:31
  Speaker 8: mostly based on the smirk that she had while dealing
• 49:35
  Speaker 8: with this, which completely contradicts the idea that she's so
• 49:38
  Speaker 8: sympathetic or pitying or whatever.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: It is that she all these this is sad. Why
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: are you smirking?
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: Like? Why why are you smirking like you're you're getting
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: one over on someone?
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: Why are you looking like you're a cheat? So I'm
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: on the basis of that and also the fact that
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: she's bringing up male role models but not why men
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: feel like I feel like they're being told they're worthless,
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: particularly when they are indeed being told they're worthless.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Like it's it's it's amazing.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: I remember there was this headline where these these I
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: guess feminist researchers were like boys seemed to be damaged,
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, yes, you damaged them. You even said
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: that you were going to do so.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, they appear to be damaged.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: Yes, it's like the uh, after the headline of how
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: do we damage boys? More, they have the headline of
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: may's appear to be damaged. It's like they forget, they
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: have no memory of what they just did.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's keep going.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Sorry, all right, let's keep going.
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: Two of the fans that came up to one of
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: the guys he was interviewing. One of them talked about
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: how he was homeless recently and crying himself to sleep,
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: and his role model in the manisphere helped him gain
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: it sounded like an internal locus of control and find
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: the strength and the hope to sort of pull himself
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: out of that situation. At some point, we people who
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: care about mental health must reckon with the reality that
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: a lot of men are craving this type of motivation,
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: that a lot of men maybe don't relate to the
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: like gentler, more validating form of motivation that can be
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: quite common.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: It's not gentle. It's not fucking gentle.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: Coming from a presumption that the way that men interact
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: with society and the way that men be and do
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: is wrong is not gentle. A struggle session isn't gentle.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Like, okay, whatever, Yeah, I.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: Don't think you know, I don't think that men have
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: a problem with guys, Smiley, I got weight, not guys.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: Mind.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: No.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, again, she's trying to because like, uh, well, let's
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: just keep.
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: Going speak and if they don't find that tough love
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: motivation anywhere else, they're gonna find it from really problematic
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: and exploit it.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, stop again.
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Probably the kindest gentlest man who recognizes the issue's men
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: face is Warren Ferrell.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: The dude is like a.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Don't a quilt and.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: A hot cocoa with marshmallows, you know, the you know
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: the do you guys remember in The Simpsons there was
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: this one episode where Ned Flanders offered Bart a cocoa
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: and Bart said no, and he said, well, I'll just
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: make it and put on your windowsill, and it was
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: like this perfect hot coco with like cinnamon and like, yeah,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: I love that. It cracks me up when Matt Planders
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: made it for bart But anyway, sorry.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Show my age.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: He is the embodiment of a hot coco and a
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: freaking quilt and some like I don't know, atmospheric music
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: like a fireplace, you know, fireplace you know, And he's
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: sitting down, He's like, let me tell you.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Let's let's let's let's talk tell her story.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: You know, I'll meet you where you are, gentlest.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, I met him and I talked to him
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: a little bit, and I asked him because he was,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: you know, pretty old, but he looks good for his agent.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: And he said that he does a lot of yoga.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: That's that's that's Warren Ferrell does yoga at like seventy something.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: The mister rogers the men's.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Nobody would say that he's not a man, like no,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: nobody would say that, you know, but anyway.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: But also these people have drummed him out. So when
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: she says, oh, men just don't want gentlemen bullshit. Even
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: when it's gentle you don't want.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: To hear the truth.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: That's what that's what I think men want is the
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: truth and while stop being lied to to their face.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: And even a gentleman like Warren Ferrell who gently tells
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: you the truth gets the herod in treatment.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because gentleness, when these people say it, doesn't mean truth.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: It means validation and comfort. It means security, not truth.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Truth is love, right, it is like telling somebody the
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: truth is like especially because you're trying to save them
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: from themselves.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: That's what love is.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Telling somebody what they want to hear because it makes
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: them happy and gives in the good feels. That doesn't
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: that's not love, That's that's you being nice to protect yourself. Okay,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: mm hmm, all right, let's hear it.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Let's hear all right.
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: People get mad at me because I really value internal
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: locus of control. I really value people, you know, taking
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: responsible Wait a.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: Second, control, And yet you're telling a war only.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: For man, Allison.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what am I thinking?
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: You're telling a woman to be offended at a joke
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: that didn't She didn't find offensive, so she found it funny, right,
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: she laughed at it, and you want her to become
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: a victim of it. And then you also want women
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: to become a victim of the benefits they get from
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: looking good. You're you are.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: You don't know your own mind. You don't understand what
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: internal locus of control means.
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: But let's let's hear it.
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: There are environmental issues going on that are outside of
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: their control. But I am never going to stop preaching
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: the importance of that because a lot of people seek
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: that type of empowerment. A lot of people feel really
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: powerless in the world, and they need something to help
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: them feel more powerful.
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: They need the hope, they need the motivation.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: They need to Okay, okay, you need you need feel
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: feel feel Men aren't going to be saved, lady. This
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: is something I have to deal with because I would
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: actually like to see I'd like to see services for men.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: I like to see abused men have a place to go.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: I'd like to see hotlines that actually deal with men's
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: issues fairly and on their face, you know. I like
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: to see an expectation of joint shared custody so that
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: men don't lose to their children, but I know that
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: that's not gonna happen, right. I like to see fairness
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: in the court so men don't have to always play
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: a defensive game. When they're always with women, right, I'd
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: like to see that stuff not gonna happen. So it's
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: not a matter of oh, well, people feel like there's
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: certain unbelievable attitude she has. Oh these people, they just
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: they want to feel like they have control in their bitch.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: Their only source of getting anything done, because nobody's coming
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: to save them is themselves. Right, And you would understand
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: this if you even had the least amount of understanding
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: of men's issues and how much how much power it
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: takes out of men's lives, and that the only thing
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: you can do. You can't say, well, go to this
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: go to this abused man shelf doesn't exist, go to
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: this hotline that'll help doesn't exist. Well, you know, go
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: to the cops. They're not gonna take your side. You're
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: more likely to arrest you. So you have to take responsibility,
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: and it's a situation where there is no alternative. You
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: have to record everything, you have to make sure you
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: write it down. You have to keep a diary, you
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: have to keep a recorder on you at all times.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: You have to film, right.
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: You have to get your friends to help you out
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: so that she can't make a false accusation against you.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: You have to do these things as a man because
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: nobody's coming to save you. So this bullshit about oh
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: they feel better, they feel better, it makes them feel
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: better when they have control.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Nobody's saving them.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: Lady, this is such a position of incredible entitlement. It
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: has such delusion. And how can she be considered an
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: authority on anyone is male if she has no understanding
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: of the situation there is she They are in to
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: the point where she thinks, for men, doing it for
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: yourself is an option that just makes you feel good.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: Good is just an option that makes you feel good, right, Like,
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: she's delusional when it comes to men.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Men don't want to feel good. They want to like
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: get things done, They want to like get their shit together.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean if they if they know they're
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: not gonna get help from anybody else, which is one
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: of the lessons these manusphere guys like say in the
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: in the documentary Louis Thrue and this woman and every
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: other woman.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: That I've seen respond to this.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of people making content, a
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: lot of feminists online or experts or whatever making content,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: and they're all like that they none of them can
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: see that the reason why these guys feel the need
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: to do it themselves is because they literally isn't anyone
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: else that's gonna help them, including them, including this woman.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: So like, yeah, men don't want to hear validation. They
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: want to solve problems. It's not it is about the nail. Actually,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: you know that's the way men see it. They're like, no,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: it's about the nail. I don't want to talk about
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: the nail. I want to do something about the nail,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: and you I want you to help me with a plan.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: If you're going to help at all, you know, like
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: let's get the nail out. But if you're not going
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: to help, you just want to talk about it, then
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I want you to leave because you're in my way.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: And these people are always in their way. That's just
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: what it is. I mean, yeah, it's it's nice to
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: be appreciated, but but I think that when a man
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: has a problem, they just want to fix the problem,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: you know, that's it, and they don't want to talk
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: about the problem.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, anyway, and to be able to.
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: Pull themselves out of difficult situations. Other people they don't
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: connect to that as much.
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: Other people.
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: They pull themselves out of dif situations by a more
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: gentle validating approach.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: But if we just take this like.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: Oneone, I'm not sure that that actually helps. But that's
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: just me.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that that validating somebody is actually going
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: to solve their problems. I think it's just something to
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: make them feel more comfortable with those problems, like.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Well, okay.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: There is a type of validation that I think works,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: and that's getting people to recognize that they have succeeded
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: at something right, even if it's small. Because some when
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: people are really depressed, particularly men, it's like you, And
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: this is what I think that the Jordan Peterson is
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: cleaning your room.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: It's not just cleaning your room.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: It's acknowledging you have done it right, and it's saying, yeah,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: I am capable of this.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: I'm capable of making.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: The world a little room better, a little bit better
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: through my actions, and I'm going to recognize that. And
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: I think that's like that moment of recognition is really critical.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure if it's validation because it's not saying, oh,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: you're a wonderful person as you are. It's simply recognizing
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: that you're capable of making the world better through your choices, right,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: and sitting with that and accepting that and allowing that
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: to inform your opinion of yourself.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: But it's not like you can't. I don't think that
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: like validation. I don't think doesn't.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: I know that prim Reaper does use a positive regard,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: but I'm not sure if she applies it as validation
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: like this, right, So.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it depends on where we're starting from,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: because like you could, like men might need somebody to
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: give them the encouragement to feel like doing something about
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: their situation is worth doing. But once you get out
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: of that level, it's time to start doing something. And
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: I think men are far more interested in you know,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: like actionable steps to address problems. And when I say that,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: there could be the dark side of what you just said.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: So I think that that's true. But there is the
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: dark side of that is where what what I see
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: in terms of like the way people address the difficulties.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: In our life.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: So you have one group of people that says I
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: have to change myself so that I can like you know,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: live better or address whatever right I have to be
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: the one to make changes about my I have to
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: change my habits, my behavior, my attitude, whatever, but it's
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: on me to do it. And then there are people
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: who say the world has to change for my comfort, right,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: and in the validation the problem with the validation approach
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: is that it kind of encourages the latter where you're basically.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: Saying, no, no, no, there's nothing wrong with you.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: It's society that's to blame.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: It's the world that's the problem.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: And if somebody eat, you know, internalizes that enough, then
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: they start to basically say, oh, yeah, I just have
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: to make the world different so that I can be validated.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: And that's the dark side of that.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: And I mean, I hate to say it, but a
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: lot of this kind of like this kind of stuff
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: is that, you know, it's like that, oh, it's not you,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: it's the world. It's society, which she was doing from
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the video. She was like, society encourages
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: you know, unethical behavior, society encourages materialism. Society, society, society,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, okay, but what are you doing.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: You're you're participating in this world. What what can you do?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: This is why I don't again, like that's why I don't.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: I don't find these people credible because they they they
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: don't take into account the idea that there are things
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: that are simply out of our control and that the
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: world doesn't owe you anything because it doesn't.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to work together
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: to make you know, some things happen to help people,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: but to act as though you deserve this simply for existing,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: that's the that's the wrong approach. So yeah, And I would.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: Say that there is a difference between this sort of
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: generic oh it's society, oh it's patriarchy verse is actually
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: identifying pay per trails for people who are doing things
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: like feminist initiatives. Right, these are things that have budgets.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: These are out of.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: Again, patriarchy doesn't have a budget. Patriarchy is basically us Brian. Honestly,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: at this point, I think we're the longest running institution
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: of patriarchy.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: I am pro patriarchy nically.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: Maybe Voice for Men is longer, but you know, consistently
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: front facing, facing the public, putting out our patriarchal message
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: of patriarchy. And I could tell you that we're we're
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: not even a drop in the bucket compared to feminism's
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: pay per trail and budgets. So like when I say
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: that feminism does this stuff, trust me, I got the paperwork.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: They are doing this stuff. And it's not the patriarchy.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: It's not society. It's not what was the chiriarchy, whatever.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: The hell archy, kurioity, that was the intersectional patriarchy. Yeah,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: but now they just still dropped it and they just
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: went back to patriarchy.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Again because because it didn't have it.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: It's patriarchy is stickier.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: Well, it's stick here because it has a clear villain men. Yes, right, okay,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: let's keep going.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: All right, it's all approached to everybody, including men who
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: have been socialized to not be so in touch with
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: their feelings.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: Then we're doing them a disservice.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: We're socialized to not be so in touch with their feelings.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: That already you see that she's already bought into the
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: toxic masculinity narrative right there. Yeah, say that men are
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: socialized not like the stoicism. There's nothing wrong with that, Like,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: in fact, I think women could probably use it. Yeah,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: they could certainly use a lot of it. But she's saying, oh,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: men are socialized into this behavior. Here again, psychology man not.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: For me anywhere.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: Treating treating men as a project, which is why men
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: should avoid women like her as psychologists like her. Yep,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: you know validation for women, but men are a project.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: Men don't know how to get in contact with their feelings.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: They need to be corrected. Yeah, they need to be
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: fixed like that. That's not treating your your patients as clients,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: it's treating them as lab animals.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Also, you know, it's crazy that you're you, you work
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: in mental health and you don't understand the way men's
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: brains work.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: No, that's the other thing.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: It's like, could you take a little bit of you
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: work into the actual biology of sex differences? Like there
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: there are differences in how men behave and interact with
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: their environment and experience their bonds with others. And what
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: you're saying is that's illegitimate. It's like looking at a
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: dog and saying dogs should only have two legs, let's
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: remove two of them, and then they're saying, oh, I'm
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: I'm fixing dogs.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: I'm fixing them. It's sick.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: That's why I say black coal, black heart, because not
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: only is she promoting this idea that men need to
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: be fixed rather than they need to get things need
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: to be gotten off of men's backs. Right now, not
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: only is she promoting that, she will never stop and say, hey,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: maybe I'm wrong. Maybe men are legitimate, Like, after all,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: men evolved over millions of years. Perhaps they are a
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: legitimate form of being that doesn't not constantly need control
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: freak oversight over how they do things?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: All right, right, letting them walk straight into the hands
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: of the manisphere.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: I did think, to the hands of the man into
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: our clutches. God, these guys were looking for help. The
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: manisphere had help offered to them, or at least these
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: particular guys. Yeah, I think that they're they can be
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: kind of scammy and sketchy. But again, how did we
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: get here? Like what why don't you ask the question?
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: How did we get to the point where you had
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: men who didn't have fathers in their life, and they were,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: you know, homeless and struggling financially, and they were looking
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: for something, and and and these these the manisphere came
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: to them and offered them help. And you're saying, why
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: did you go to those guys? You weren't you perfectly
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: fine being homeless, depressed and alone with like your dad,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: weren't you fine with that? Why did you go to
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: those people?
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: Maybe?
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: Because how did we get here? Anna? How did we
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: get here? That's the question you should be asking.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: But you're not going to ask that question because it
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: might make you look bad.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: It might make you look bad.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe they don't want to go to people who
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: They want to go to the ones who say that,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: you know, dog's purposes, bitch and bones are not the
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: ones that want to cut off their front legs and
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: have them hobble around like it like this, this is
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: the thing. It's because you don't give them anything. You
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: don't give them what they need to even live up
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: to the expectations you place on men, Anna, Because you
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: are placing expectations on men, you place the expectation that
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: women be victimized by being called dishwashers. But men should
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: just be able to suck it up when they're called
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: a vestigial organ of human existence that should just be
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: cut awave of, like that's men should just suck that up.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: But women, ah, women should be laid low by being
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: called a dishwasher, right, That is an expectation you place
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: on men, Anna, and without acknowledging that you're doing so,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: and then complaining that, oh, why aren't men.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: Getting in touch into their feelings?
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, we should be able to say that they
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: should be killed, that they should be put into woodshippers,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: that they should be castrated. You know, we should be
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: able to say that they should lose their children, and
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: they should be treated like rapists by default. We should
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: be able to say that they should be called ten
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: percent of the population. We should be able to say
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: that their morality is corrupted and criminal. But why can't
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: they get in touch with their emotions? Why do they
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: act like they don't have them because you're telling them to,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: because you're expecting them to swallow all this crap, because.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: You're saying, oh, well, women can't.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: Be told that they can't have a joke, they can't
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: take a joke, but men should take all of this
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: crap and swallow it. What do you think, What kind
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: of pressure do you think that puts on men?
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: Anna?
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: What do you think what kind of pressure does it
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: put on their emotions? Do you really want men to
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: start expressing the emotions that you're making them feel with
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: your fucking feminist psychology? Okay, I'm like I think I'm
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: just really pissed today.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: A super chat from Albatross gives us five dollars and
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: says you should share this to her to see how
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: she reacts.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: Laugh.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Emojis probably will ignore us because we're too small.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: We're beneath their notice.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, she's not realistic though, she's not about Clout.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're right. She's ethical. She's not doing this
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: for Clout reasons. Guys, she's she's like one of the
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: good people. Very few of them left, you know, she
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: is definitely one of them, though. Okay, let's keep going.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: It's really interesting how this guy who was previously homeless,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: he was telling Louis, we don't believe in depression, and
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: pretty immediately afterwards Louie was asking him what happened with
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: what he?
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Huh did he say, we don't believe in depression?
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: One of the two you know, there are those two
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: guys that were fans of Justin Waller in the in
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: the documentary.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: But we don't believe in depression.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, they said we don't believe in depression.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: He was the one who survived. Idiot.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean yeah, he basically I think that the
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: point of it.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: I mean justin Thorrell was trying to paint it like, oh, well,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: if you don't believe in depression, why did your brother
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: kill himself? But it was more like no, he realized
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: that again, sitting in your sadness wasn't going to solve
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: your problem. So when his brother died, he well, I
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: don't know when this happened, but he said, I'm not
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: going to let that happen to me.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: I'm going to change my life.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: So when you and if you do that and you
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: come out of it, then it probably makes sense that
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: you would like not believe in depression because you're like, well,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: I was going through it, but I'm better now. And
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: of course, because she's a psychologist, she needs people to
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: have depression.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: It validates her job. So let's see what she says.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 6: It was just like such.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: An ironic moment of like, he doesn't believe in depress
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: and yet most likely his brother was struggling with depression.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: He was struggling with being a man in a feminist society,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: in a society, and ironically, the end beneficiaries of all
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: of this are the men, mostly men who financialize, who
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: basically get taxpayers to eat their losses while they keep
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: their gains, and they maintain the status quo through the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: feminist firewall.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: And this is a little bit difficult to explain, but
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: basically you can't complain about this situation because all complaints
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: have to route through feminism and feminist feminist orthodoxy, which
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: neutralizes all potential complaints. And that's why we now live
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: in a society where CEOs make like six three hundred
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: to six hundred times more than the average worker thanks
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: to women like this giving them that firewall. And again,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: this isn't just this isn't a complaint about business. This
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: is a complaint about business and government and bed together,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: which is what feminism has constructed.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Thank you feminism.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: And uh yeah, if you're if you're interested in me
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: laying that out, you can join us at Badger Nation
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: dot online and read my Alison thought Allison's thoughts channel
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: where I lay all of this out and explain it.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: It's a little bit difficult to do it with words
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: while my brain is squirreling all over the place.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: But anyway, what was you saying?
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, his brother is a victim of a feminist society
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: that says that masculinity is worthless. There's there's nothing, there's
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: no benefit to men.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, And clearly he didn't see enough feminism. Yeah, clearly,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: Well that's the problem. That's why he killed himself. It
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: wasn't he didn't do enough feminism, right.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: The idea that the guy who survived says, I don't
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: believe in depression, and you are saying, well, that's I
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: wrote it. Yeah, but he was the one who survived.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: Maybe his brother believed in depression. His brother believed that
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: he was instead of having an external force on him,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: he had an internal problem that the only solution was
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: apparently going to a feminist or a feminist inflected because basically,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: unless they have their shingle out and they say that
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: they are, you know, pro male in some way, they
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: likely are informed by the American Psychology Association's guidelines on
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: treating men, which is basically, men are a problem that
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: needs to be fixed, and masculinity is a precursor to
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: mental health issues. Like literally it's a precursor. I get
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: men who have masculinity are like they're pre diabetic. They're
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: engaging in the behaviors that are going to make them sick.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: So you need to stop that like you go to
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: a psychologist as a man, and the psychologist is going
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: to say you need to stop your masculine behaviors before
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: they make you sick. That flows right out, That flows
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: right out of the APA's guidelines on treating men and boys. Right,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: So you're telling him, Okay, you have a disease, and
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: the solution is to go talk to people who are
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: going to tell you that you need to be fixed.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: And this dude who survived said, fuck that.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: No, I don't have a disease.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: I'm in a society that is targeting me and my
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: mental health and well being, and I'm going to acknowledge
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: that and I'm going to fight against it.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: And he survived.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: And now you're saying, oh, isn't that ironic that he
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: avoided the poison that killed his brother.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's I don't think you understand the word.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's keep going.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: Or men who have been socialized to not care about
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: feelings to better understand mental health struggles. But if we
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: only use like acceptable forms of motive or like certain
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: language that doesn't appeal to them, we're just going to
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: push them away and they're never going to learn about
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: mental struggles. It's ad because these guys, they seem like
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: nice guys and they were talking about a matrix without
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: realizing that they're actually the ones being pulled into.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 6: One asked you the question of like, wow.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not in the blue pill world. You're in the
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: blue pilled world. Should you should just come back over
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: here where we respect women and just do that until
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: it kills you. That's the way it should be.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: And the funny thing is respect women actually means we're
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: going to expect way more from men, right, But men
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: can't acknowledge the fact that more is expected of them,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: and we can't acknowledge that, and we what we're going
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: to do is we're going to expect way more from men,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: and we're going to pretend like women are making the sacrifices.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: And then when that kills men, it kills them. That
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: the sheer amount of mental pressure that puts on men kills.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: Some of them.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: The guys who are like, no, I don't I don't
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: want any part of that, Like I'm gonna I'm not gonna,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna take part in that. I'm gonna walk
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: away from that. Those are the ones, I guess she's saying,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: go back, come back to the matrix.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: No, don't well no, she's saying, they're always talking about
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: the matrix, but they're the ones in the matrix. And
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: it's like, I mean, do you do you even try
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: to learn what that what that meant?
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: You know what? What I think? What bothers me.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: The most about this woman's reply to this video, to
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: to the documentary is it seems like she watched the
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: documentary and that was that, that was her source for
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: everything she was gonna say. So she didn't look into
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: any of the claims that Luis Thereaux made. She didn't
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: look into any of these people's, like, you know, what
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: their side of the story is. She just took the
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: documentary as gospel and then said this is the reality,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna respond to this and I'm gonna give
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: my high minded opinion about like how things should be
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: based on Louis Therou's carefully edited, you know documentary. And
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: also later in the video, she admits that he's a
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: gotcha journalist. She admits that she says, this is what
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: he does, and also sort of says, and it's weird
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: they don't trust him. It's like, yeah, but that's what
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: he does. You just said that, and then and you're
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: taking what he did as a known gotcha journalist whose
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: job it is is essentially do to create the most
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: inflammatory version of reality, and you're.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: Responding to it like it's just reality.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, like it's wild because you're you know anyway,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: so like this is this is her.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: She just doesn't what go ahead?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Well, I mean it's like, okay, you got
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: two brothers, one died, one didn't, and the one that
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: didn't interacted with the menosphere. And she's not taking any
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: lesson from that, No lesson, no lesson to be had there.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: We're going to ignore that.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: We're gonna be like, no, there's no le no again.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: And you're a psychologist, right, okay, let's work with people.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: You work with people.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: She doesn't.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think she does it anymore. Somebody in the
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: chat said that she quit after a year, decided to
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: become a writer. But she gets to put doctor next
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: to her name, so you know.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: Okay, so this this book, she decided to become a writer.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: Her book is not very successful.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe the channel is to sell the book.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, even so she's got six thousand subscribers, and
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: apparently she has one hundred and seventeen ratings on her
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: book after ten months out. I don't know how she
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: managed that. How do you manage to have six hundred
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: thousand subscribers? And you know, if she got one hundred
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: and seventeen ratings, probably a couple hundred people bought her book.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: How do you? How do you fail that badly?
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, if she had like a subscriber's like two
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: thousand subscribers, it might make sense. But don't you think
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: that even her subscribe like, even if like one percent
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: of her subscribers went and bought her book, that would
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: be like six thousand people. And it's obvious that that
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: didn't happen. So doesn't sound like being a writer was
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: a good idea.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'd rather she writes books nobody buys than
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: like work with people, like in the mental health field.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: She might drive more people to suicide and then blame
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: their brothers for surviving because they didn't go to her
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: fucking therapy sessions. Okay, anyway, there.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: Anything further in this or how much more of you?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: There is? There is bullshit?
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Do we have to Okay?
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: I do so many guys these days struggle to find
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: role models.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 6: I have a few theories.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: One is, of course, high rates of abandonment by fathers.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: And I don't think that this needs to be a
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: discussion about single mothers are.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: Talking about high rate of abandonment by fathers, you know,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: the one single way to increase father involvement after divorce,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: shared custody. What does that suggest if it was a
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: high rate of male abandonment, that wouldn't.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: Have moved the needle.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: Forcing women to allow their children to continue to have
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: their lives, their fathers in their lives legally reversed this
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: abandonment by fathers. That so she's just gonna blame men, right, Okay, yep,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: Get that's it.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: She just I mean, there's more to this clip, but
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: in terms of like the fatherlessness thing, it just becomes
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: it's just abandonment, Like fathers are just abandoning their kids
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: all over the place.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: That doesn't bear out.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: Though it does not know it really, but again she
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: does her research, Alison. It says right on her website
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: she's she's like fact based. I don't find it's a
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: fact because she got it from like the fucking feminist
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: studies or something.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: I'm finding my prediction that she has a cold black heart.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: To be panning out. Okay, No, if.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: There was men abandoning their children, then it wouldn't be
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: fixed by giving them access to their children, which is
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: literally what fixes it.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: So yeah, you're full of shit.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: You just want to blame men because you think that
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: they are a project that needs to be fixed, which
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: is sick. Okay, let's keep going.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: Does she redeem herself.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: Abandonment because while boy moms certainly can cause a lot
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: of harm, at least they stuck around. I think it's
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: really fucked up the way that this conversation all women
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: who have sons.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: What a delusional bitch?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: Did you guys catch that she said?
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, there can be a problem with boy moms, but
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: at least they stuck around. So again, this operates under
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: the presumption that when women are involved with their offspring,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: it's because they are choosing to stick around, like it's
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: a noble act of self sacrifice. When men are not
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: able to access or they're not with their offspring, it's
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: because they're abandoning them. And and that's that's that's the
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: way that she's paying this picture now. And this is,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: by the way, this is assuming that the children these
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: with these single moms have live to become babies, Like,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: how many of them are aborted before that even happens.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: We've already gone over the numbers. More babies have been
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: aborted than men have died in wars all through history.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: But also what about what about even if you're like
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: one of these, you know, if you'l like pro choice
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: or whatever, which is fine, that's your business. What about
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: the ones that just get like thrown in a dumpster?
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: What about the ones that women intentionally keep away from
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: their fathers, even if the fathers want to raise those
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: children because they know they can get child support from
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: those men. What about the ones that are born of
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: like oh, I don't know a woman who raped the
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: child and then made him pay child support. Well, none
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: of that other stuff matters, right, And of course, even
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: if the woman is absolutely insane and abuses her child,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: because a lot of them do, she'll be like, oh, no,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: that's it's but they're they're sticking around though. At least
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: they're there to beat their sons every day. At least
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: they're there for that.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: You know, she's actually calling out boy moms specifically a
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: subcategory of moms that advocate for their sons.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: Did you not know that?
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: So's I think she means to say like devouring mothers
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: kind of like like I mean she if I'm being charitable.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: I think she means to say that, But she's using
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: the wrong terminology because she's trying to say, well, there
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: are some cases where there are single moms who are
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: you know, not healthy for their sons.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, so the purpose of that statement is to draw attention.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: To like the the the over overall good that women
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: are doing by sticking around, right, as if women have
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: much of a choice once they have a child. But yeah,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: but anyway, I think it's just like she's using incorrect words.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: But okay, well, god damn, I was hoping that we
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: get this done quickly.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: No, I know, but this is the this is the
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: juicy part, because we're gonna learn about how we we
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: can't be blaming. We got to stop blaming single moms,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: so let's let's keep going.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: It's often framed as like blaming the woman who actually
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: stood behind to look after her children. If a child
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: is born and they know that like they had a
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: same sex parent so like a boy has a dad somewhere.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 6: And he knows that that dad wants nothing to do
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 6: with him.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 5: Because a lot of socialization tends to come from the
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: same sex parent, particularly as it concerns like how to
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: express your gender and so forth, it's understandable that they're
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: going to feel some sort of inner conflict about the
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: fact that their same sex parent wants nothing.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 6: To do with them.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: Think about the worthlessness that a boy would probably feel
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: if he knows he has a dad out there who wanted.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 6: Nothing to do with him.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: So then when these guys were saying, you know, you
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: have no worth as a man, women are born with value.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 5: Men are not literally feeding them their unconscious beliefs about themselves,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: and that's what draws them in.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 6: I think that's okay.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: So it's.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: And it's not men who would have a relationship with
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: their children if it was legally protected, as we have
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: seen in those states that have enacted shared shared parenting. Right,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: it is not men walking walking away. If it was
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: men walking away, states that enact legal shared parenting wouldn't
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: increases in the amount of time that men spend with
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: their children. So on the face, this is factually inaccurate.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: But even if it was so, it's not feminists telling
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: young men that their masculinity is worthless and also that
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: men aren't worth anything as fathers, which is why we
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: have the fatherless name moodlessness rate in the first place.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: It is the abandonment by their fathers. Okay, fine, for
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: the sake of argument, let's say the entire problem is
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: boys being abandoned by their fathers.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: What's her solution?
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: Stop shaming single mod oh. I know she is going
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: to get to something like that.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: Okay, from say like a woman choosing to have a
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: child on her own with IVF and that child doesn't
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: have a father figure, or like two women deciding to
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: have a child together because in that situation there's no
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: parent that exists out there that wanted nothing to do
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: with them. Okay, something very painful.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: She's jumping into, like weird hypotheticals, but go ahead.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: But also, a woman who has gets pregnant by a
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 4: man who has seven baby baby mamas is basically doing
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: the same thing. Let's be honest, Like, if your baby
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: mama number two, you're basically doing the same thing. You're
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: choosing single motherhood.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: Women have basically like all the control over whether or
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: not a child comes into the world.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: Women have all the.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: Control of them, but they can't be held responsible.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: Brian, Yeah, so like.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: You can't you, but all you can do is blame
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: the men. And it's like, well, I mean, I don't
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: even know what to say about that. Like women have
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: all the birth control, they have abortion, they have a child,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: they can like, you know, put them in a fire
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: department house or something. They can take them to a nunnery,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: they can put them up for adoption, they can put
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: them in a foster home. They can you know, they
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: can keep them, they can help have their parents help
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: raise them. They have every all of the options women have.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: The men have none, basically none, Okay. And this is
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: also like let's say a man wants a child, he
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: still doesn't have any say she can just get it
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: aboarded or give it away. She probably can't give it away,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: but she can get it aboarded, and so like, at
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, women are the ones making
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: these choices because they've always had the power to do that,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: and she can't even acknowledge that. All she can do
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: is say, well, men are just abandoning their kids. And
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I don't think that's happening, But if
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: it is, it's still the woman's fault because she's sleeping
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: with men that don't want to stick around. She has
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: the choice, she can use protection, she gives birth control,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: she does all kinds of options. If she's not choosing
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: those options, she is the one screwing it up.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: And when you give men the choice, they stay and
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: they want to be with their kids. So yeah, she
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: is wrong from every But here's the thing. She says
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: she wants to help men or give them a role model,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: which they don't think men need, they need the boot
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: off their back. But at the same time she doesn't
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: want to Her big thing is she doesn't want women
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: to be blamed, like that's more important than actually helping men. Well,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: you won't get help from women who think it's more
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: important not to blame men than to help with men,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: not to blame women than to help men.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, I guess all.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: Right, there's a little bit more though.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: There is more about knowing.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: That there's a parent out there that doesn't want to
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: be involved in your life, that doesn't really care about you,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: especially if society so strongly values socialization being passed down
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: by the same sex parent, and that is I think.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: Wait, society value socialization being passed down.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: This is another one that's external.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: Speaking of locus of control, society does not create male psychology.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: This is why you should not be anywhere near a
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: fucking keep writing your books, please, you're dan.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: To men.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: Part of the problem is our constant over emphasis on
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: gender roles. Women provide this for children, men provide that
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: for children. Of course, there are trends where like dads
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: tend to be more playful and like rough house with children,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: moms tend to be more like nurtured. Nobody, yes, we
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: know that that is the case.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: Nobody enforces it.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: Nobody enforces this.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: The roles that are enforced are the ones with budgets
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: and government programs and NGOs with significant funding. And those
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: roles are women are victims and men victimize them, and
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: they also victimize their children, and they should not be
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: in the home, and they also shouldn't have jobs.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: Those are the roles.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: The role that our society enforces based on what our
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: society chooses to pay for.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: And this is the role.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: Women should not be imposed upon. Men should get the
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: fuck out. Those are our roles in our society, but
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: also pay for everything, but not expect a relationship with
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: a woman. They should just pay for everything because they're
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: so worthless. These are the roles that are being enforced
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: on men and women. These are the roles that we
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: There is a budget, there's a budget line somewhere for right.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: I'm a little bit exaggerating, but if you actually look
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: at feminist conjecture, it's not that far off.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: Feminist conjecture, which are.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: The roles that are being forced on society, which is
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: the roles that are being paid for that someone is
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: paying to promote in academia, in schools, in government programs,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 4: all over the place. Somebody is paying to promote these roles.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: And right out of the actual text is men, you
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: use rape and beatings to subjugate women for their own benefit,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 4: and women are victims of men. These are the roles
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: our society enforces, they don't enforce. Men are playful and
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: women are nurturing. That's another era of wholesome wholesomeness that
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: we are no longer a part of. Nor do I
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: find it remarkable, but this individual has a problem with
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: gender roles that comprise of men are playful towards their children,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: and women are nurturing towards their children. Oh my god,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: stop the presses. This is some demonic shit. And she
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: is okay and to ord is completely indifferent to men
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: use rape and beatings to subjugate their wives and children
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: for their own benefit, and women are victims of men.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: That's okay.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: That and also doesn't seem to acknowledge that men are playful,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: women are nurturing, has no government budget.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: Behind it, no enng O promoting it.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: It's not taught in academia, it's not taught to your children.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: It's nowhere, right.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: But the other one, that's fucking everywhere. It's ubiquitous, like
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: it's it's screamed from every pulpit, and he has a
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: huge amount of funding. But that's and again I'll reiterate demonic.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: Men are playful, women are nurturing.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: That's some demonic shit right there. Oh, but it's okay
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: to say that men use rape and domestic violence to
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: subjugate women and children, and women are victims of men.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: That's that's stuff like enlightened.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: That's enlightened. I she may not even know how black
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: and cold like her heart is. She thinks it's she
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 4: thinks it's warm and plush.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: I got a Oh I had a superchow and it
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: didn't come through, but I want to I want to
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: read it. Richard Pierre sent us five dollars super chowd
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: thank you Richard, and says, what do you call it
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: when a man ejaculates in a woman a loading the dishwasher?
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: Uh, that was crass.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: Nova Fan gives us a dollar and says, just imagine
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: how much higher men's and boys mental health would be
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: if women stop shaming quote unquote toxic masculinity. I like,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: you wrote quote unquote and then put quotes around toxic masculinity,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: so I would have to say shaming quote unquote quote
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: toxic masculinity unquote ellipses because you put dots after that.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: But anyway, last thing I'm with this was the last
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: sound by Oh. I got another super chat from Senior
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: Sticks for two dollars, Thank you Senior Sticks, and says,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: many women want the bear just let nature win. Uh,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: they don't really want it.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: It's a shit test, I think. But yeah, uh okay.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: But ultimately anyone can do any of these. You don't
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: have to like fit a certain archetype of parenthood based
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 5: on your gender, and I think part of the problem
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: is framing these men's need for a role model as
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: needing a.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 6: Male role model.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 5: What do you ultimately need as a child is role
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: models period.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 6: Doesn't matter what gender they have. What matters is why.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: The manosphere when they have women.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: To explain to them that they emote wrong. They really
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: don't need relationships with other men. And also, it's their
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: fathers leaving them that that's the problem, not their mothers
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: leaving their fathers. I mean, surely, surely the warm embrace
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: of this woman's wisdom will lead you to the light.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: My dudes, God, damn it takes a that's what she
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: lands on in terms of raising boys, and that we
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: shouldn't accept that boys can get anything out of men,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: especially their fathers, because we could they're leaving you anyway.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: Your father doesn't want to be around you, he hates
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: your guts, come to us. That's her, That's what she's
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: landing on. You know what, Maybe father shouldn't raise their kids. Well,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: we're already working on that right now. We've been doing
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: that for a couple of generations. How's that working out?
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: Why don't we ask black people, Hey, black people, how
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: are you guys doing now that you've had like three
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: generations without fathers, how's that going?
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: Is it going? Well?
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, you haven't feministed hard enough though. That's probably what
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: it is. You needed to listen to the BLM Pledge
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: where they said, we we eliminate the need for the
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: nuclear family, the patriarchal family unit. We should be raising
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: kids with whoever's around. It should just take everybody except men.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: We should We don't want men doing it, but everybody
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: else it's working out.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: That's just fine. That's what she's landing on doctrine this person.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: That's what I mean.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: Like, she went to school, she failed every saving throw
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: against fucking commie brainwashing, and now she's got a YouTube
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: channel because she can't write or do psychology.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: But on the other.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: Hand, couldn't she couldn't leverage six hundred thousand subscribers into
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: more than a couple hundred actual purchases. That's remarkable, Like
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: how bad is this novel? Yeah?
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: I got another super chat from Zaraanks. He gives us
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: five dollars and says, imagine the assertions about how we
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: control women and children. And these ideologues still claim that
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: their ideology doesn't speak against marriage.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: Well absolutely does. Okay, this is basically.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: Her final point that I'm playing right now, so we can, like,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: you know, wrap it up after this is.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 5: An uncle who cares about you, an older kid at
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: school who feels like you're a younger version of them.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 5: The problem is that a lot of these boys are
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: socialized into never really wanting to see a woman as
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 5: a role model because they're taught to not value women
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 5: as anything but a sex object. And so even if
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: there are maybe opportunities of women in their lives who
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 5: could be role models for them, we reject that because.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: What so now we have men don't know how to
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: feel right. Men's or boy's sense of valueist listeness comes
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: from men abandoning them.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: Men don't need male role models.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: In fact, the problem is that boys need male role
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: models at all. So she is essentially saying that there
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: is no legitimacy to men.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: This is what is this shit? I'm just I am.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 4: I'm astounded at how nasty this human being is. And
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: she probably doesn't even realize that she is unspeakably cruel.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: She's saying to.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: A creature that has evolved and has persisted for hundreds
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: of millions of years, that it is illegitimate, It is
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: an illegitimate being, and that men's desires, men's feelings are illegitimate.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 4: They have no place to stand and any one of
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: their needs if they have a need for a male
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: role model to understand who they are as a man,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: to understand why women like this put expectations on them
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 4: to be emotionally tough while screeching at them to emote
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: like a woman. Right, if they want to understand all
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: of this, what's wrong is the desire. She is a
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 4: She is a female chauvinist. She thinks that the only
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: thing that properly exists exists in the world is the
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: what is women and how women do?
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: All right, listen, all.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: Right, sneeze, Okay, I think that's it. I mean.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: That, yeah, that's basically it.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a bit about toxic masculinity, but I
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: feel like we've no let's let's.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: Let's hear the toxic masculine.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know how this could so basically, men of
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: the problem of boys and men feeling worthless is not
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: because feminists say that they're worthless. Like literally, boys and
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: men are worthless. They might they may hold out some
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: worth if they reject their masculinity, right, but not if
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: they have it, because that's toxic. And then also their
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: desire for male roma is wrong and they don't emote right.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: They need to emote like women. Okay, what else, Let's
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: let's do the trifecta. What does she say about talking
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: to people are just kind of.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 5: Looking out for themselves in their own Like a severely
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: underpaid teacher is not going to go above and beyond
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 5: to mentor son to play catch after a twelve level,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 5: or they're just doing the bare mint.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: Teachers need more money.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, No, she's saying, yeah, yeah, teachers need more money.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: She was trying to blame like the economy on like
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: the fact that there aren't enough people getting involved with
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: raising other people's kids something like that.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: But it's so stupid. I'm not going to get into
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: that because.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: She just she probably thinks that we live in a
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: world where the you know, free shit is out there,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: you just got to grab it.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: Is bad actors profit off of straw manning feminism. They
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: speak ill of things that feminists fought for, like women's
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: right to vote, women's right to open a bank account,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: no fault divorce. They take a term like toxic masculinity.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: You thought, why is it that feminist spot for no
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: default divorce if men also wanted to get divorced, like
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: if men just wanted to walk away from their families.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: Oh but but Alison, women being married with children is
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: basically a prison, so men couldn't possibly want divorces that
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: just didn't happen.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: She's a radical feminist. Mm hmm.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: But she sounds really nice though she's trying to sound nice.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: As a radical feminist at war with the very idea
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: that men exist.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: Right, She can.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: Tolerate men if you know, if they castrate themselves metaphorically, right,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: if they agree that there is no inherent maleness that
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: might have value, she can tolerate you. You're still an
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: inferior woman, but you know, you can exist as long
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: as you emote like a woman. You don't want male
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: role models. You agree that the problems that men face
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: are entirely of their own doing. It can't possibly be
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: anything that women have done or feminism Like, okay, so
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: she's she's basically reduced my will to live.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: But let's let's hear.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: What I got. I got a super child from Richard
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: Pierre for five dollars. He says, how many women see
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: Harry Bradshaw as their role model and the ideal embodiment
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: of how.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: Life should be lived. Do you get that reference?
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: Carry Bradshaw?
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: I heard the name before, but honestly, Sex.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: In the City is now more wholesome than for this woman.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: Oh is that who that is?
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I'm pretty Carry Bradshaw. Isn't that from Sex and
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: the City? Comparatively, the Sex and the City is more
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: wholesome because at least it sent up women's foibles a
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 4: little bit.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: Women's liberation is the only thing that matters.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: Zaraanks gives us five dollars and says, but women are
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: the majority of our lives, of our lives, through our
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: formative years and beyond. You mean like they're involved. Yes,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: guild is a new one. Guild far canile or I
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: hope I'm not Guild of Arcane Law. Sorry, Guild of
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: Arcane Law.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: Gives us a six ninety nine Canadian and says, taught
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: that women are sex objects by who, the fathers who
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: supposedly abandon their children, the female teachers, by society. Don't
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: you understand society when it's bad? When women are affected
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: by bad things, it's the fault of either patriarchy or society.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: But those are interchangeable terms. But if something good happens,
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: it's because women did it themselves or for the sisterhood
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: did it. So that's how you're supposed to interpret these things.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: You just have to learn.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: You haven't read enough books written by feminist scholarship. That's
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: your problem. A guild of arcane law. All right, let's
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: get into the rest of this.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 5: There's a particular type of masculinity that society pushes and
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 5: they straw man it and they say, you know, this
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: means that feminists think all men are toxic. Unfortunately, I
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: do think that a lot of boys.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: Know what makes people think or know.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: That feminism thinks that all men are toxic is because
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: they assert that men use rape and domestic violence to
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: maintain patriarchy and benefit to themselves, and that heterosexual relationships
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: are the epicenter of rape and domestic violence and men's
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: subjugation of women. That's why people think that feminism is
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 4: toxic because of its own academic writings. How is it
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: that they continue to just betra and the fact that
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: of everything you just said, lady, you blamed men for
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 4: not having fathers, even though men will be in their
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 4: children's lives if you give them legal access to their children. Right,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: you blame the way men emotive like men. The way
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: that men do is wrong. And then you blamed uh,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 4: men's lack of role models, not on men's lack of
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 4: role models, but on men and boys wanting male role
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: models in the first place. You we don't need to
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: look any further than your freaking mug for feminist toxicity.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 4: You are the toxic feminist. Oh okay, did you did
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: you read.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: I think uh.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: Gi Olivarkane lore I read all that.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: Did you read women or children Assertions?
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, So when does she say toxic masculinity?
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: She just did.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: We just we just listened to it, toxic masculinity.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 4: And you're telling me there's nothing in the last five minutes.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean if there is, there's I mean like
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: there's just like that.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: Basically, it's just this bit about supposed logical fallacies that
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: the manosphere commit when they criticize feminism. Give me a
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: summar role, all right's.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: No, no summer, Isaac? What okay?
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, so now we have the I'm defending my ideology.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so basically this is as usual, right, Like it
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: always comes back to, well, look, the most important thing
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: that has to happen by the end of this video
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: is that we understand that feminism did nothing wrong and
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: it's always good all the time. Yeah, that's basically where
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: we have to land.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: On this video. That's why, that's why it is towards
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: the end.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 4: The problem is that boys want male mentors in the
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 4: first place.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 4: Problem is that boys have needs. Have boys considered not
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 4: having needs but also not having emotional needs? Have boys
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 4: considered not having emotional needs, but also have they considered
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 4: expressing their.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: Emotions like girls?
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: Maybe you should start by allowing boys to have emotional
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: needs that you don't define out of existence, lady, before
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: you ask them to rest and recognize their emotions in
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: your presence.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's all right.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 5: And that kind of self fulfilling prophecy can be dangerous,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: and I think like actual feminists, actual advocates of different kinds,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 5: who truly care about the causes they preach and aren't
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 5: just you know, trying to weaponize these movements. That was
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 5: never their intention to make boys feel like they're inherently toxic,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: but unfortunately.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: Huse men use rape and domestic violence. Men use rape
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: and domestic violence to subjugate women. Heterosexuality is the source
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: of women's subject violent subjugation by men. But they never
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: intended to make you feel bad about being a man.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: This is okay, I'm done, let's keep going.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: No, Alison Seems Magazine and Gloria Steinem and Hillary Clinton
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: and Andrea Dwarkin and Julie Bindel and all these other
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: people from the Second Wave, they they weren't feminists. They
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: were they were hijacking the movement. Doctor Anna is the
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: real feminist. She's the only one that really gets it.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: Not any not Belle Hooks, not none of these, you know,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: not Angela Davis, like not the weather Underground, those those
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: people that bomb the capital. Feminists don't believe in violence.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: That's men that do that. They must have gotten hijacked
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: by patriarchy, that's what happened. But this woman is immune
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: to that. She's the perfect feminist. That's why she never
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: does anything wrong.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: Buy my book.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 5: You take this advocacy so so far that they do
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 5: kind of send the message, hey, like if you're part
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: of this group, like there is something intrinsically bad about you,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: and I didn't realize how bad it was until I
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 5: lived in Seattle.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 6: For a few years. If you want to, can maybe
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 6: make a video about that on people.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's she's saying that there are some bad actors,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: but they're not real feminists because you know they they
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: have hate in their hearts and I don't.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: I guess is her argument.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: You don't have hate in your heart.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: You just don't think that men have anything legitimate. Ever,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 4: they're just not legitimate, like you realize that is hate,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: That is malice. Like just because you've pre excluded men
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: from being cared about doesn't make it not hateful to
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: treat them this way. And she is treating them this way.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: She's saying, well, men should emote like women. No, they
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: have their own ways of being that are legitimate and
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 4: are evolved. Right, Men shouldn't want men, and boys shouldn't
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: want mentors that are men. They should think of her
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: as a mentor. And all that she's ever going to
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: say to men is live up to my expectations. But
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 4: at the same time, don't ever point out that I
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 4: expect you to live up to my expectations, because it
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: is you who is imposing on me as a man,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: And like, how is it that people can't see the demon?
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: I can see it?
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: Get back, get away from me, Satan. Can I just
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: say something that I think? So we've been doing this
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: for a while, not just this show, but like in general,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: these response videos and these articles and almost all of
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: them ultimately land on trying to make a defense for
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: feminism as an ideology, Like this was originally about basically
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: like disenfranchised men that don't have role models, that are suffering,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: that are basically doing their best to like live in
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: a world that doesn't really give a shit about them.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: That's what That's what Louis throu does want to talk about.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: But he had to to some degree because he wanted
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: to get people emotionally hooked. But ultimately he didn't care either.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: But like almost every single time, these things go, no
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: matter where they start from, it doesn't matter what it
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: could be about, any topic. It could be about writing,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: you know, fiction, it could be about like men dying
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: in wars like in the Ukraine or something. But ultimately,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: no matter what the issue is, especially if it's a
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: men's issue, the article or the video has to come
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: back to this is why feminism is still necessary. And
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: what I think is going on here is that they
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: think that feminism itself is like this magic word that
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: keeps them feeling safe because they're afraid that if that dies,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: that they're going to be in danger.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: It's like their protection spell.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: And I mean, in this woman, I think she's a
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: witch actually, and I'm not saying that as an insult.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: I mean I think she literally sees herself as a witch,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: and so she probably thinks words are magic like a
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: which that's involved with psychology that's just terrifying. But anyway,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: but I think that it's like an invocation because as women,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: they don't have anything else. They don't have force, they
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: don't have the ability to like, you know, force anything
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: to work the way. So all they can do is
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: appeal to patriarchy to men to like keep them safe.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: And one of the ways they do it is by
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: weaponizing words like this like feminism. And so if feminism weakens,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: then as an ideology, like if the word loses its power,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: and this is in their mind. I'm not saying this
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: is what I believe. I'm saying this is what I
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: think they believe. If that word loses its power, then
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: they are vulnerable and they're terrified of that, which is
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: why for them, Like the number one objective is to
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: protect the word, protect the term. It's just like protecting
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: terms that are sort of like subsets of feminism itself,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: terms like patriarchy, terms like capitalism, bad terms like all
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: the isms and the phobias, terms like toxic masculinity, terms
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: like emotional labor, terms like whatever right. And they need
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: those things to carry weight, to have power. And words
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: do have some power and they know that and that's
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: why they use it. But I think they're terrified of
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: it losing power. And I just want to let them
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: know that there's nothing to be afraid of. I don't
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: think men want to hurt you, but you do. You
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: seem to be really afraid of men that are not
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: controlled by your words.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 3: Do you see what I'm saying?
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: No, I know exactly what you're saying, and it's just, uh,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 4: I think it's just pathological, Like there's there's I can't
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 4: emphasize this enough. This woman probably does not understand that
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 4: there is a way of thinking outside of how she thinks.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 4: Like the work that I'm doing in writing has clarified
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 4: to me that men and women think differently. Doesn't matter
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 4: what you want to say about I don't know gender
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 4: fluidity and a spectrum. Men and women process things differently.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 4: And one of the big problems, one of the big
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 4: blind spots for women, is they cannot see that the
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 4: way that men interact with the world, or many of
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 4: them can't, is perfectly legitimate, and they don't see it
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 4: as its own thing. I'm not even sure if they
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 4: see it at all. So men just engage in behavior
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 4: and they just don't understand it. So it's frightening and
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: it's infuriating because these individuals have power and they shouldn't.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 4: Like you don't have to necessarily disenfranchise women. Just make
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 4: it so that no woman can get an education unless
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 4: she passes the water level test. You can't vote unless
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 4: you can rotate an object in your mind unless you
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 4: can understand the fact that systems act on objects. Not
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 4: everything isn't just a web of social reading relational reading, right,
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 4: you can you can understand that systems exist and they
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 4: function outside of your beliefs about yourselves or yourself being seen,
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 4: which is like the big thing. You know, women want
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: to be seen because that's where it's at for some reason,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 4: they don't want to do things. They don't want to
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 4: construct things, they don't want to build things.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: They want to be seen, you know.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 4: And it's like it is a it is a mentality
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 4: that is utterly salopsistic and allows nothing outside of itself,
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 4: you know. I I The funny thing is is that
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 4: I think I've become even more red pilled as a
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 4: result of analyzing literature, because.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: It's made it so obvious that women.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 4: It's really difficult for them to realize that there are
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 4: other ways of thinking other than their are. And yet
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 4: men can understand that women think differently than them. It's
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 4: actually sort of interesting, like women men can conceive of
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: that and they can even accommodate that, but women really
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 4: struggle with it. They are locked into their own brains
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 4: and they're constantly reading a world that doesn't exist except
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 4: in their projections of their own fears.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: And it's it's like, I don't know, like I think
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: that I have.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 4: I think I officially probably have acquired the largest body
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 4: of misogynists.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: That would continue.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 4: To talk to a woman on the planet, you know,
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 4: you know, just just by virtue of having done this
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 4: for like what freaking.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: Thirteen years now.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm in contact with a lot of misogynists,
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 4: not the misogyistsess that have ceased talking to women because
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 4: you know, obviously I'm a woman, right, And I don't
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 4: find them very dangerous, you know, no, unless you guys
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 4: want to be considered dangerous. They're not like men are
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 4: not dangerous. They're like the least dangerous thing. And it's
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 4: it's getting really aggravating, like women like this refusing to
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 4: acknowledge that men have the right to exist because they're
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 4: so freaking dangerous or something. And I think it's simply
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 4: that it is the fear of unknown. If women don't
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 4: control men, then there's some unknown thing, unknown mind out
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 4: there that they don't understand and is legitimate in of itself.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 4: So they respond to that thought like the way people
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 4: respond to I don't know the possibility of alien life,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 4: with fear and terror and xenophobia over the penis.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: People.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I think we're done. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: I got nothing else. She's not going to say anything
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: else of any value. So do you want what do
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  Speaker 1: you think?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm good.
• 2:01:07
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