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Heated Rivalry · The Art of Costume Podcast

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Hello, welcome to our costume podcast.
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I'm Mos with Joy Glass. And I'm a hockey fan who clicked
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on the wrong hockey documentary. Spencer Williams.
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But you clicked on the best hockey documentary.
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Hey Elizabeth, I'm so excited to talk about this one.
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Me too, me too. We had a great time last weekend
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with our friend Avisha to watch this week's episode.
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The series for this week's episode?
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Heated Rivalry? Oh my gosh, yeah.
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I cannot wait for you to get into this one.
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You have to tell everyone about the watch party you had set up
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for us, 'cause this one, I, I don't think I was ready for what
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you had prepared for us when we, when you walked into my door the
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other weekend, 'cause I, I mean, I had just got out of bed and
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you walked in and ready for a day.
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You had a day set up for me. I I didn't even have coffee
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ready yet, but you, you, I was not ready.
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You are not ready. So me and our friend walk in and
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we had a blueberry smoothies, some little like cheese cracker,
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caviar, Russian inspired snackies.
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We were also going to make tuna melts and sliders and some other
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heated rivalry theme appropriate foods.
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But we were all stuffed. We didn't get to them.
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So cool. Which I I stupidly had a
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breakfast burrito like an hour before because I thought we were
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having cheese and crackers that called it a day.
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No. I was.
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I was not ready. We told you there was going to
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be food. I I know, but I just, I just
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totally underestimated what kind of watch party this was.
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Yeah. I didn't realize there were so
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many different themed foods that could come out of heated
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rivalry. What what kind of what kind of
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show had this many themed foods coming out of it?
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It was heated rivalry. It was heated rivalry.
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I didn't. I just didn't think there could
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be that many themed foods. Literally the best though was
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the blueberry smoothies because you're like this is good, but
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why? And then we get to episode 3 and
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you're like, I see what you did there.
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I. Was like, wasn't this the
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softcore porn show? I just didn't get how there
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could be so many foods to come out of it.
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That's all I was saying. These are complex characters in
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this softcore point. TV show, I get it, I enjoyed it.
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I get it. I just, I just was not expecting
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to have to bring such an appetite that day is what I'm
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saying. Yeah, maybe we should have
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warned you a little bit better. Just a just a smidge better.
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Hey, since we have our rare sports episode on the Art of
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Costume podcast, there might not be another sports episode for
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another season or two or three. I Have we ever done a sports
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film or TV show before? We did Space Jam in season 1.
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Oh, that's right. OK.
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So it might be another five years.
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I just want to say congratulations to the New York
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Knicks. I'm very happy.
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I've been in a good mood for the past week and a half.
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You have. Thank you, thank you.
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I would like to congratulate myself because I feel like I've
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been putting all of my energy into this, so I would like to
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take a little little victory lap for myself as well.
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So yeah, like. Your basketball men really
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showed up for you. They really did.
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It's it's been a real hard for me the past few weeks of focus
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on the podcast because of the basketball playoffs, which have
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been going on since what, since April?
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So I don't know, it's been a hard few weeks around here.
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But with that, I guess we could turn it back to another sport,
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which would be hockey. Oh yes, let's get into heated
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rivalry. Created by Jacob Terney based on
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the Game Changer series by Rachel Reed.
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You know Jacob's work from letter Kenny and Spencer.
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Do you want to dive into a summary for us?
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I would Heated Rivalry, a story about two rival hockey stars at
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the top of their game, face an unexpected challenge when they
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develop feelings for each other, complicating their careers and
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the sports expectations. And that is heated rivalry.
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That might be one of the best summaries you've ever done.
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IMDb actually did that one. Good for you, IMDb.
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Good job IMDBI. Was going to say that's like so
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concise and to the point. Wow.
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But if you have not watched Heated Rivalry, go to HBO.
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It's a short 6 episode series. You'll fall in love and after
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that come back so you can meet our costume designer Hannah
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Powley. You will know her work from
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Octavio is Dead, for which she got a Canada Screen Award
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nomination. Brother, for which she got a
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win. BlackBerry, for which she got
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another win. Humane, for which she got
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another nomination, and overcompensating Nice, which the
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Canadian Screen Awards really love Hannah.
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They sure do, and I believe. Heated rivalry just won.
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She's racking them up. She is racking up her wins, with
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the latest being for Heated Rivalry and and when talking to
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The Hollywood Reporter, Hannah reflected on what she hoped
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Heated Rivalry would achieve when working on the project,
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Saying I was thinking while making the show, I would love
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for boyfriends or husbands to sit down and be like, oh, you're
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watching the game. And then all of a sudden it
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turns into this muddy romance show that we could fool the men
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into watching. That was a win for me.
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And I'm like, I was like, you go, girl.
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I love that. She was just like, I know the
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girls are going to like this, but let's trick them in.
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I mean, to that point, it did feel very much based in realism.
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You know, like we had that conversation when we started.
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We were like, how are we going to break this down in terms of
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the costumes? Because it did feel very
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realistic. When they're in a locker room.
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It was very much like, this is the clothes they wear when they
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get to the when I get to the rink, where are they putting on?
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Where are they stuffing into the lockers?
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It was so just deep, steeped in realism.
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Yeah, it was very believable. And also, like a lot of people
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kind of glaze over the fact that Heated Rivalry is a period
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piece. Technically it's just a period
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piece of a time we're all still very familiar with.
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So it doesn't really. Oh.
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My gosh, this is our first series where our growing up is
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now considered. Period.
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Right, Right. So because this is all taking
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place when we were like, in high school and college.
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So it's like, yeah, it's because there are certain choices where
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it's like, why? Why did she put that character
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in that? Like, that's so like 2010.
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So then you're like, Oh yeah, this episode takes place in
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2015. Like of course it's twenty 10s.
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But after our break, we are going to jump into heated
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rivalry. I am so excited.
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I'm going to go lace up my skates and put on my big hockey
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pads. I'm ready to get out there and
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break down this decades long romance between Ilia and Shane.
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Spencer, Are you ready to go to the Boy Aquarium?
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Yes, Sir. Where?
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Where do we start? Where?
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Where do we start with this? Heated rivalry.
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We're starting in the rink because this is a show where a
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lot of hockey gear is shown. Obviously all of our main
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characters are hockey stars in this fictional universe.
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Jacob Tierney has created, and Hannah spoke to GQ about the
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creation of the team logos, saying that was a team effort.
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Actually, our graphics guy, Stephen Crowhurst, he was
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amazing. He did the logos, he would do
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multiple options and then we would all talk about it.
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But there was definitely the intention for innuendo, I think,
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I think was there from the beginning.
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And it's so fun. The show is so fun because
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there's so much space for it and people are starting to clock
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into what the different things look like.
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Oh, wait a minute. Like, wait, now we've now we got
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to get into it. Well, I have to say first, like
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all of the art was super believable.
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I oh, yeah. I mean, I, I've watched hockey
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over the years when it's hockey's one of the sports I
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like to watch in person, maybe not so much on TV.
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It's fun to watch in person. But like all the like, logos to
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me, they could have been real, you know, logos, all very
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believable. They could have been real teams
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for all I know, because there's just so many hockey teams out
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there. There are and These are all
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fictionalized ones. Right.
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But but they were very believable.
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They could have been real. They could have been real.
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I think the Boston Raiders is the best one that that's my
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favorite. I was like, oh, of course you
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give that one to Ilya. But I I love the detail they put
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into this and that she really thought about like where each of
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these teams were coming from, from Montreal.
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Like the very it like it's so Canada.
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It's so like, I'm a good boy to to Boston be like, yeah, we're
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like the tough guys at like the New York Admirals, just like
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they felt very like yay America to me.
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Yeah. So the Boston Raiders, is that
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supposed to be a cannon on their jersey?
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Yeah, it almost looks like a gun, but I guess that's a
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cannon. Yeah.
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Such a bad guy Ilia is. I mean, if it's his personality,
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yeah. Seriously.
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But I like I like the New York Admirals 1 though.
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I like the Empire State Building on it.
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Scott Hunter is just so cute. He's a good guy.
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He's a good guy. Well, he has his days.
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Well, everybody is complicated and has hard days.
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Right. But Spencer, this is not the
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most important part of this show.
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What's the most important part of this show?
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It is Ilya and Shane. And we watch them over a span of
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like roughly a decade. Seriously.
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From being teenagers to full grown adults.
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And in these first two episodes we get a lot of time jumps.
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We get a lot of them growing up and growing into their careers.
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So we see pretty massive style changes for them, but also they
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definitely have their own personalities and styles still
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the entire time. Yeah, I was not expecting that.
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I I did not realize that they were going to have this huge
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decades long like time jump between all these when I
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obviously I've heard so much about the show.
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I don't live under a rock, but I did not realize this could take
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place over a decade, so I was not prepared for that.
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So in terms of like costume point of view, that made it
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super exciting. When we sat down, we watched all
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this in one day, by the way, for everyone who's listening.
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So yeah, it was a long afternoon.
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It was. A.
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Marathon yeah, I love seeing Shane's costumes.
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I think he has the most growth out of the both of.
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Them. Oh yeah.
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He looks the most like a teenager he has.
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I love having their little beanies and like jackets over
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their hoodies. The little.
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Beanies and the shoes and the shorts and the high tube socks.
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I don't know. To me, he looks like the most
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like a boy when he. Starts.
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Yeah, definitely. He has like a sense of like
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innocence, teen hood immaturity to him in his costume.
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Yeah. And like, Ilia is just very
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European in his dress. Yeah, which I love.
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And Spencer, there was a costume piece that definitely caught
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your attention. I love.
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This one. Early on in the show, which was
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Ilya's patchwork denim jacket, and Hannah spoke about this
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jacket thing. That one is actually Hugo, a
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Hugo Boss jacket that I really love.
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It's a bit of a surprising take on both Chorico and denim
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jacket, which I like for Ilya because it feels really
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youthful. They it feels a bit Euro in a
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way. And she paired this with a set
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of Diesel jeans and Spencer what what would we call a denim
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jacket and some and some Jeep a pair of jeans.
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This is his take on a Canadian tuxedo.
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Exactly, Spencer, and that was definitely the idea, Hannah told
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CBCI. Know if I can put a little nods
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to our country where I can. There's something really nice
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about visual language that will evoke certain things for the
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audience. And I'm like, it's just so cute
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because he's going to see his future Canadian boyfriend.
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And I think it contrasts like so well against Shane's multiple
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like, changes while he's waiting for Ilya, one of which is a
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suit. Like, he fully puts a suit on
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and then it's like, I'm this is ridiculous.
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And Ilya comes up in his Canadian tuxedo being like, hey
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man, how's it going? I love that, love that jacket.
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I immediately got up off the couch.
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I was like, wait, I feel like I have something just like this.
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And I got up, I pulled it out and I was like, OK, it's not
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exactly like that. But now I was like, OK, wait, I
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do want that one. It's it's a great piece.
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It's. An incredible piece.
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Love the Patrick details that's missing.
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It almost looks like it's missing a pocket on the right
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side. It's kind of like converted,
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yeah. It's so cool and it like really
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speaks to like Ilya's kind of like different personalities cuz
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he is known for being very like flirty and fun.
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But then he also has this very like, stoic, like responsible
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side to him, which we mostly see around his father.
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But it's like, it's a great visual representation, I think,
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of who Ilya is. And however, well, that was a
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piece that stuck out to us when it comes to iconic costumes.
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There was undoubtedly 1 breakout star from heated Rivalry, and it
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was Team Canada's fleece jacket Hannah created for the show's
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depiction of the Sochi Olympics. Spencer, did you?
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Did you know how much this coat like took over the Internet for
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a little bit? No, I didn't actually.
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But so adorable though. It's so adorable and Hannah told
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The Hollywood Reporter. I wanted to make something that
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felt wearable, something that felt comfortable and something
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that would contrast with what Ilya was wearing.
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Because Ilya would never wear this.
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Ilya would never. Wear this.
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It's way too cute and fluffy. It's way too cute and fluffy and
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it's so patriotic. Like Shane is such a good
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Canadian boy. He's definitely so patriotic for
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his country. Ilya, I'm not exactly a fan of
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his, so he's not. He's not ever going to put out
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that much effort to Rep his country.
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He's not patriotic, but he still is very much like hard and
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rugged and sharp and you know, like all the things that he's
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not. He he's still a very much an
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example of his country that he represents even though he's
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would say he isn't, just like Shane is an example of his
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country which is soft and cuddly.
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Soft and cuddly, a Canadian. To achieve this, Hannah sourced
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the jacket from Canadian St. wear company Koala Tea, added a
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red trim and embroidered the Maple leaves to the sleeves and
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Canada on the back. And she said, I don't know that
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we always get to choose what becomes iconic, but this
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certainly did. Yeah, so much so that another
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one was made for Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney and given
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to him by Hudson Williams on the red carpet of an Ottawa gala.
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And then a petition was signed by 4000 people to have Team
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Canada produce the jacket as part of its merge for the 2026
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Winter Olympics. Oh my gosh.
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In response to the to the demand for this jacket to be released
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to the public, the show collaborated with Providence of
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Canada to produce replicas based on Hannah and Quality's original
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designs. It sold out in 10 minutes.
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Damn. That's crazy.
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That's insane. I've never heard of a merch drop
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like that from a costume designer.
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That's insane, right? Wow.
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Good for you, Hannah. That's amazing.
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I, I tried to keep an eye on this because I was considering
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getting one for that, you know, life froze on and like I forgot
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about it. I thought I was, I probably was
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on the mailing list and just didn't see the e-mail for it.
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And then when I was doing the research, I was hoping to like,
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I was like, oh, wait, maybe I can get one now.
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And like on the Providence of Canada website, it's like we had
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no idea. This was gonna sell out in 10
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minutes. And it's like, of course you had
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no idea. Of course you had no idea.
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Sure, Providence of Canada. Sure it will.
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I mean, to their credit, it is a little silly.
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So they're like, Dang, yeah. Yeah, it is a little.
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It is a little. Silly, but hey, they took care
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of business, so good for them. They they definitely did.
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And you know who else took care of business?
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Spencer. Yeah, love this story.
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Scott, Hunter and Kip, we've got episode 3.
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My favorite episode, hands down best episode.
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Yeah, it probably is the best episode.
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Personally, I think my favorite episode is episode 5, but in
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terms of just how everything comes together, episode 3 is
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definitely. Probably the best.
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Yeah. This is the episode that sold me
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on the show, actually. I was like, all right, like,
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I'm. I'm locked in.
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I could tell you didn't lock until this episode cuz like we
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have adorable Kip played by Robbie GK and we have Francois
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Sois or Nod as Scott Hunter and they are just so adorable like
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and they're both very New York like Scott Hunter and all like
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his Under Armour gear. So Under Armour, he's like
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literally a walking like advertisement for under.
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Armour exactly. And I think he's the best
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example of what they do and she doesn't really talk about, but
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they definitely do it in the show that like showing the fact
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that they all have brand deals, like they're all wearing branded
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clothing and T-shirts and like, you know, obviously wrapping
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people who are giving them like thousands upon thousands of
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dollars to wear this stuff cuz they're all famous.
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And then you have just like cute, adorable little kid in
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his, in his smoothie hat and he like he's so East Coast with
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just like the T-shirt with jeans and like an open button down
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like. I loved a little smoothie
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strawberry hat. I know.
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Can someone make that? I definitely get that.
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Yeah, that's a. Good merge drop idea.
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No one would get it, but no one would get it.
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Elizabeth would get it, actually.
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I would actually. I think a lot of people would
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get it. They just have to advertise it
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enough. The hype would.
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The hype would get there. The hype would get there.
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Yeah, but their episode of when they finally got together was I
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had I I might have teared up a little bit.
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Yeah, when he when he brings him.
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Out. A lot of it, actually.
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Onto the onto the ice yeah and his little jacket's so cute with
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like the like a fleece collar and I'm like, aw he looks like
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he was ready for this moment yeah.
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It was really funny though cuz for a while my Instagram feed
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was like all heated rivalry. Well, I'm shocked.
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Like exclusively heated rivalry stuff and a couple of like NHL
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wives went on and we're like, we know Kip loves that man.
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Do you want to know why we know Kip loves that man?
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And she was like, hockey gear smells so disgusting.
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I won't even let it ride in the same car as me or be at our
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home. So she's like, I know Kip loves
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that man Apparently. Like I guess I just can't clean
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it properly. I don't know.
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I was just like, that's a random piece of information I never
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would have thought to a seek out for myself.
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That's. An interesting costume note,
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though. That's fascinating.
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I never thought about it right. Yeah, apparently it just like
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all smells really gross and like multiple like NHL wives were
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like, yeah, we won't let it into our homes.
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It's just rank because it's just layers upon layers.
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It's super moist I'm sure. Yeah, but Spencer, I think we
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need to take a little breaky break and talk about the gal
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pals of heated rivalry. Starting with.
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Svetlana. I freaking love Svetlana.
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She is like, she's so cute. She's so fashionable.
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She's so supportive. Like, I love when we first meet
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her and she hops out in his jersey at his home.
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Yeah. And she's just like, look, I'm
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being all cute for you. And he's like, hold on a second.
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I need to. I need to text my other date.
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Yeah. He's so mean to her though.
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He's not being mean to her. They have a very.
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Confusing relationship. No, they're just friends with
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benefits I think. OK.
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I think that's their relationship.
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Sure is friends with benefits. Well, you've read the book, so
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you would know. Her character is very different
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in the books. OK.
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Yeah, she's someone he doesn't meet till he moves to Boston in
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the books. So then not relevant.
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Yeah, no, not relevant. But yeah, no, I do like her.
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She has like a very, like, gold colour palette.
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Yeah. She almost, she kind of has like
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a royalty aesthetic whenever you see her.
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Like, she just feels like anytime we see her, she has
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like, almost like this like unattainable aesthetic.
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Like this is like a life that he could just like, never fully
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crossover to Svetlana. I I think so.
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I agree actually, because like, she's like the daughter of a
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really famous hockey player. So I think in some ways she like
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is hockey royalty. And he definitely, like, admires
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her and like, kind of puts her up on a pedestal 'cause he, he,
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he won't let anybody talk crap about Svetlana, as we know from
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when his brother tries to insult her.
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But she, like, she knows him so well and supports him and just
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looks so fabulous doing it. Yeah.
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She looks incredible anytime she shows up she always is dressed
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up two to nines. I love all her jewelry all the
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time. I would love to like kind of
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know some of the like specific brands cuz these are all
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definitely like they look like, you know, I would not be
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surprised if she went to like sushi and Chanel for some of
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this stuff. Like that's the vibe she's
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giving off that like she only wears designer brands and is
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going out to look her best every single time.
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Yeah. Definitely.
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We love you Svetlana. Hopefully things work out for
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her and. I know.
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I think they will. I think they will.
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I mean, she knows. She knows Ilya's not hers.
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That's why she's like, I hope he knows how lucky he is.
27:22
That was like, my, that was one of my favorite scenes of the
27:24
show. When she's like, hey, dude, I
27:27
know you don't want me. I'm always going to be here for
27:29
you. Go, go get your happiness.
27:34
Who also has that same energy? Spencer Rose.
27:38
Landry. Spencer, Shane's girlfriend.
27:43
Yes, I actually really liked her.
27:45
I love Rose. This actress is in the yellow
27:48
jackets and she's great in that as well.
27:51
So so excited to see her. She has she's Hollywood, so
27:56
she's a great actress. And so she of course like shows
27:59
up. She has a stylist, so she has a
28:03
lot of great outfits like right off the jump.
28:06
So that's actually part of story.
28:07
She ends up getting Shane set up with Stylus, which is a lot of
28:12
fun. Yeah, but she kind of brings a
28:15
lot of the fun to the cost me of the show.
28:17
Also just there's some great fashion moments.
28:20
Absolutely. She and she's like
28:21
quintessentially 2010's fashion. Yeah, she brought like the color
28:25
to the show a little bit. She really did.
28:29
And that 2010's wardrobe starts with the leopard print shirt
28:37
that Hannah spoke to CBC about, saying the fact that it's still
28:42
a bit of an innocuous, demure option makes her feel like a bit
28:48
of a safer choice. I think for Shane, she's
28:52
confident, but she's also not aggressive in any way 'cause
28:57
it's like she's got this like leopard print shirt.
29:00
It's like sexy, like animal print.
29:03
But she's just very like, very chill, very confident.
29:07
And I'm like, I think that's what Shane likes.
29:10
It's like, oh, this is this is safe, I can do this.
29:14
Oh my gosh, the moment where she was at one of the hockey games
29:17
waving in Shane's jersey, I was like, tell me that's not Taylor
29:21
Swift at one of the Chiefs games moments.
29:25
Literally literally. And I love how they kind of like
29:29
contrast it with when Stetlana wears Ilya's jersey because it's
29:35
a very like, sexy, fun scene. But Shane is very safe.
29:40
So she's there at the stadium in jeans and the jersey, like kind.
29:45
Of buttoned up. Very buttoned up.
29:48
But what is not buttoned up Spencer is when the confidence
29:53
she has continues through her sparkly club dress, which was
30:00
handmade for the show and Hannah said to Cbci.
30:07
Was definitely on my knees in the green room while they were
30:11
going over lines trying to sew the scenes together because I I
30:19
came across a couple of these like a rhinestone chain tops.
30:25
They were so popular in like the 20 tens I almost got it a couple
30:31
times. Then I was like oh this seems
30:33
painful to wear and they came apart pretty easily.
30:39
Yeah, I can. Imagine they were, they were not
30:42
sturdy pieces of clothing. So I'm like, yeah, she probably
30:46
was on her hands and knees trying to keep that thing
30:49
together to brilliant effects. Like I love how she's like this
30:54
shiny pretty like object. Like the universe is dangling in
30:59
front of Shane to try and get his attention.
31:02
I mean, I get it, she looked amazing.
31:05
She looked so good. I was like, can I have that
31:09
dress? Can I have your tan?
31:11
I know. I mean like it was such it was
31:13
such a turning point for an entire show.
31:15
It was like Shane. I mean that's why he goes into
31:18
like full meltdown mode honestly, cuz it was like it's
31:21
not if it's not now, it's when you know.
31:24
It's when and like add even more panic Ilias in that same club
31:30
wearing a freaking leopard. Not like a leopard print shirt.
31:35
Walking around, prowling like a predator.
31:40
Literally. Literally.
31:43
This was so ridiculous in this moment, this scene.
31:46
I loved the club scenes. One of my favorite scenes.
31:49
It's so hilarious because you know, she's she's dancing,
31:54
looking amazing. We have that song, which is just
31:58
just playing going, yeah, it's so stupid.
32:01
It's so good. And then Ilya's walking around
32:05
looking like a predator, just being so aggressive.
32:10
And Hollander is just being like having a full panic attack.
32:14
The entire scene is just a hot mess.
32:16
And it's just like you all need to sit down.
32:19
Everyone needs to Yeah. And have a conversation.
32:22
Oh my gosh, when she when he sees Rose's friend at the bar.
32:27
Right. The turn around he does because
32:31
he was like fuck Shane is here, where is he?
32:34
It's all a mess. Let's talk about the shirt.
32:37
The Leopard. Shirt This is a John Paul
32:40
Gautier leopard shirt, and Hannah talks to GQ about this
32:47
shirt and Ilya's costumes in general, saying we really went
32:53
all out with Ilya because it feels like he's the one who's
32:57
willing to take risks. It's just inherently in the
33:01
culture a little bit more, I think.
33:03
And also he's just out to provoke the whole thing with the
33:08
John Paul Gautier shirt. I don't know that anyone else
33:13
could pull that shirt off in the world besides Ilya.
33:17
It's just so identifiable and metaphorical to me, if I can put
33:22
in little things that speak to me visually.
33:26
The sense of him being this skinned, predatory cat, in that
33:31
moment, he has no power. He just sees his love across the
33:35
room and there's nothing he can do.
33:38
So you see this version of himself literally on his shirt.
33:43
Wow. But yeah, Ilya, I think one
33:47
person made a little video about it and it was the Slavic fuck
33:54
boy aesthetic. Yeah, it's, it's insane.
34:00
He it's just a crazy shirt for him to pick out and be like,
34:05
this is the one I'm wearing tonight.
34:08
Like it's just like crazy, like falling apart behavior.
34:13
It is and he literally is like he's like screaming just 'cause
34:19
he stubs his toe like and all of his teenies are like, what is
34:23
wrong with you? And I love her being like, oh
34:27
like cuz he's definitely like feeling some sort of way about
34:32
Rose and Shane being together. So he's like, forget it.
34:36
I'm taking my power back. I'm going on the prowl where
34:40
like this year is just so European to me.
34:43
Like it's something only a European man would.
34:45
Wear, I mean nowhere you'd find something like this.
34:48
I I. From John Paul Gautier
34:50
Collection sensor Keep up. So, Elizabeth, if I ever show up
34:55
wearing something like this, please know that something's
34:57
deeply wrong with me. I I I will take you to a bar so
35:02
we can talk it out. Spencer No.
35:04
Don't take me to a bar. That's the last place you should
35:06
take me. OK.
35:08
OK. I just, I kind of want it
35:11
documented that you wore this shirt and we're comfortable
35:16
leaving the house in it, if that should ever happen.
35:18
Yeah, well, OK. If I show up in public wearing a
35:21
shirt like this, just know that something is deeply wrong with
35:24
me. It's probably like a Twin Peaks
35:26
to return situation. I'm Oh, no, I'm not.
35:29
I'm not the Spencer. I'm a Spencer.
35:33
You're a Spencer. Something's gone terribly wrong.
35:35
Noted. But I love the double meeting
35:40
she puts behind this where it's like, OK, he thinks he's this
35:43
like this man out to get, you know, a woman to be a womanizer.
35:50
But you know, the leopard on his shirt, it's the skin of it.
35:53
So like when he sees his man, like he's, he's so helpless,
35:58
just like the leopard on his shirt, Like I'm like, girl, you
36:04
thought about this so much. Like I mean too wonderful
36:12
effect, but I would not have thought there was this much
36:15
thought put into a single. Shirt, I love it.
36:18
Well, let's leave the club. It's it's getting it's getting
36:22
too hot in there. We got to.
36:23
Move it. It is definitely getting too
36:27
hot. There's just too much going on
36:31
and in episode 5 we start to see a bit of a costume shift for
36:37
Shane because he hires A stylist and a reporter.
36:44
Ellen Carter interviewed Hannah for GQ, saying to Hannah how
36:50
funny she found Shane hiring a stylist was because a large part
36:56
of her job is writing about famous men who have hired
36:59
stylist stylist, and she wondered how Hannah incorporated
37:06
this plot line into her wardrobe.
37:11
And I felt Hannah's answer to this question really interesting
37:16
and indicative of the difference between styling and costume
37:21
design. Hannah answered this saying, I
37:26
know you mentioned the stylist point is the key because you
37:29
guys are coming at it from more of a fashion angle.
37:34
And that's honestly not how I approach costume design.
37:37
It's not fashion to me. I wanted it to still feel like
37:42
it was him, where it's like the choices that were made were
37:46
still him and they're kind of still boring and they're still
37:50
very contained in this heteronormative mask that is so
37:58
clearly the thing that he just feels comfortable in 'cause
38:03
she's like, yeah, this isn't. I didn't have to think about
38:08
how, you know, a stylist would style Shane.
38:12
It's his costumes are still need to reflect who he is as a
38:17
character. Exactly.
38:21
And and Shane's new look in episode 5 is definitely
38:24
contrasted next to Ilia's very fun, colorful pieces with Hannah
38:31
saying of Ilia's overall look. It tends to be more form fitting
38:37
and a little bit more ostentatious and a little bit
38:41
queer coded in some ways that's hidden in Slavic culture.
38:45
I don't think that's something they're trying to do.
38:47
But for us, it reads that way, which is like, it's so true.
38:53
Like that culture. They just, like, wear more,
38:55
like, honestly interesting, colorful things.
38:58
Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
39:02
I never really thought of it that way, but yeah, you're like,
39:04
oh, OK. Yeah, like for him, this is just
39:07
how everyone dresses. But to an American audience,
39:10
it's like, you know, signalling that he's queer.
39:13
You're like, oh, you, you decided to wear that today, OK.
39:17
Yeah, which I mean, I'll respect anybody who wears a Hawaiian
39:21
shirt. I love a Hawaiian shirt.
39:23
So I was very happy when I saw this.
39:24
Honestly, when he showed up wearing that shirt unbuttoned
39:28
with the Corona, I was like, hey, that's a whole vibe.
39:30
Like I'm I'm very jealous of this look right now.
39:34
Honestly, sitting here looking at this picture is making my
39:37
mouth water a little bit. That's all I can focus on so.
39:46
It honestly, it looks like they're having a great time
39:48
despite this very this, like, this conversation starts out so
39:53
awkward. Like, oh, my gosh, it's so much
39:56
worse in the book because he doesn't know, you know, that
40:01
they've broken up. And the whole conversation is
40:04
from Ilya's perspective. So he keeps expecting, like,
40:09
Shane to be like, yeah, I'm engaged now.
40:11
And even when Shane tells him like he got a stylist.
40:16
What's going through Ilia's head is like, Oh my gosh, he's going
40:19
to tell me he's engaged. He's going to tell me he's
40:20
engaged. And he's like, I got a stylist.
40:23
And that's why Ilia laughs. Because he's just so relieved.
40:28
And I'm like, have a conversation you 2.
40:31
Yeah, well, Hannah says. So funny.
40:32
That's so true. It's like sometimes, yeah,
40:35
you'll put something sometimes like her, all other cultures
40:40
will put on a shirt and like, yeah, so true.
40:42
Like the the different color, different cuts and I'll just
40:46
like, oh, you know, so like Ili has a shirt on.
40:49
It's not realizing to like other people.
40:51
They'll be oh, wow, That's like definitely.
40:54
Like you're feeling really free today, aren't you?
40:56
Like that's just, yeah, you're feeling really open today.
40:59
That's cool. I love it.
41:01
Yeah. Good for you and.
41:05
Honestly, the good times keep rolling after this.
41:09
I mean, they're not all good times, but we get the cottage
41:14
Spencer goodness. Yeah, the cottage, this, this
41:17
was like closer to, I'm not sure what year it is, but it's
41:20
definitely a little bit more caught up to modern times,
41:23
right. Yeah, I think it's supposed to
41:25
be like like 20/17/2018. Yeah, we're getting close.
41:39
Yeah, it's definitely much more modern.
41:41
I love, I love their Ray Bans at the airport.
41:47
It's like you all are not like fooling anybody.
41:51
I know. Ilia, why are you wearing your
41:53
baseball cap backwards if you're trying to hide who you are?
41:56
I know. Everyone knows who they are.
41:59
I love people in disguise when it's really not this guy's.
42:03
I think more people need to do the like mustache and the
42:07
glasses combination from like the good old days.
42:11
It would work better. But yeah, the cottage core look
42:16
is very much like, it's kind of like East Coast, like prep look
42:21
almost, but. Yeah, I you know what?
42:24
That's very, very true. And it's also just so much more
42:29
laid back than we've ever seen them before because like
42:33
they're, they're not worried about anyone coming up at them.
42:37
They're very comfortable. They're so comfortable.
42:40
Like this is a private lake. Like access to it is restricted
42:44
to the people who own the homes. So like they're not worried
42:48
about anything. So they.
42:50
Should have been a little worried.
42:52
They should have been a little more.
42:53
Worried. Absolutely.
42:59
Oh, we got the way. My heart jumped out of my chest
43:02
at the. Oh my gosh, yeah 'cause we have
43:07
them just having a good old time.
43:08
Like I love when Shane's making the burgers cause like I think
43:12
Ilia has put on Shane's clothes 'cause they're so not Ilia like.
43:18
Which that was the first mistake is they were grilling the
43:21
burgers and dads could smell burgers for miles away.
43:24
That's what happened. This is true.
43:26
And the dad smelled the burgers. And it reminded him of his phone
43:30
charger. And he came with driving OK, He
43:34
picked up the phone charger 'cause he smelled burgers.
43:37
OK, this is something I've been wondering.
43:41
How long did his dad's battery last on his phone?
43:47
Because I'm sorry, they're the the two of them are there for
43:51
like, I feel like at least two days before his father shows up.
43:59
Well, he didn't need it until he smelled burgers and realized he
44:02
was hungry and then he was like. Oh, so he's just going around
44:05
without a phone? I guess.
44:09
Who does that? It's vacation.
44:10
He was on the couch watching hockey, I'm guessing.
44:14
Or I guess hockey's over, so I don't know football.
44:19
He likes tennis. Maybe he was watching.
44:21
Maybe he was watching tennis. And then he realized it was food
44:23
o'clock. And then he went reaching for
44:26
his phone, he realized he's dead.
44:27
And then he's he smelled burgers and he's like, oh God, I gotta
44:31
go get my. Phone get over there.
44:33
That was one of the things from the book that they changed that
44:36
I was like, it felt like a stupid change but whatever, I'm
44:40
not in charge cause in the book he comes over to take like
44:44
dishwasher tablets 'cause they ran out and I'm like that makes
44:48
so much worse then. I love what they wear to the
44:52
parents house though because it feels like especially like
44:55
Shane's shirt, it feels like all wrinkled and like he just like
44:59
you could tell he just like threw it on, you know?
45:02
He 'cause it's, it's literally what he picked up Ilya from the
45:06
airport. Yeah, like it's very wrinkled
45:09
and just like he, you could tell he just shows up looking
45:12
dishevelled. Yeah.
45:15
Which is better than him showing up in a suit and tie, which is
45:18
what I half expected Shane to do, showing up with like a top
45:21
hat on and be like mom dead. I'm gay, you know, but and.
45:27
Then Ilia just throws his Boston rate.
45:29
Like Ilia is like so ready to like get in trouble and like
45:33
it's so sad, but he has. I don't know why he's covering
45:37
his crotch too like he he was one step away from wearing a
45:42
towel so. Cuz his father was like horrible
45:46
and mean and like just made him feel bad about everything.
45:51
So that's what he's expecting from Shane's parents.
45:54
That's true, he does look like he's in trouble.
45:57
Yeah, like they literally look like school boys who got caught,
46:04
but I bet it, you know, then his mom makes pasta and everything's
46:10
OK. It was a very sweet scene.
46:12
I I enjoyed it. It was it was so perfect.
46:17
Great costumes to end on. Spencer.
46:21
How did you feel about Heated Rivalry overall?
46:26
It was a great show. I enjoyed it.
46:32
It was, sorry, I just stretched you.
46:35
You could cut some of that stretch.
46:36
That's good. I enjoyed it.
46:41
There were parts of it that I enjoyed and then there are parts
46:43
of it where I felt I was like, OK, so to me, I feel like it was
46:47
like a solid. I'll give it like a 3.54.
46:58
I'll give it a four. Four stitches, OK.
47:02
Yeah, I'll give it a four. OK, that, that's a very good,
47:08
that's a respectful rating. You were definitely concerned
47:13
how I would react. To that one, yeah, I'm very
47:15
nervous. A little bit of fear in my voice
47:19
on that one. Fair, fair.
47:22
Good I I think I would give this four and a half, 4 1/2 stitches.
47:34
There's definitely like, I think there are some things they could
47:37
have like improved upon, but honestly for adapting 2 books
47:42
into a six episode series, very good, very good everyone they
47:51
did not. I didn't get a chance to look up
47:53
their budget but it was not big and I feel like they used used
47:59
it the best they could and like made a lot.
48:01
Go a long long way. I'm very curious to see what
48:04
Season 2 will look like now that they have their new fame and
48:08
success and potentially money. So we'll see.
48:13
I would like to revisit what Season 2 looks like now.
48:17
Yeah, but yeah, I thought, I thought it was great.
48:21
There's some great moments. Like I said, I loved episode 3.
48:24
I thought that was great. I love the club scene and I
48:27
loved the last episode. So there's some great, great
48:32
moments and scenes in it for sure.
48:34
So it's a great storytelling, but I know for sure there are
48:38
some great costumes in it. Hannah did a great job, so I
48:41
really play our favorite game. Absolutely hit it.
48:47
The one costume to rule them all.
48:54
Spencer, what was your one costume to rule them all?
48:58
I gotta give it to the Canadian tuxedo just because it was such
49:02
like a patriotic moment of and it was also just like, I don't
49:08
know, it's kind of like a Spencer coated costume.
49:11
I was like. Yeah, that was very you.
49:14
That was very you. That I have like a version of it
49:17
in black. So, you know, I want to get that
49:21
piece. I felt like I was shopping
49:24
Ilia's closet for a little bit here so.
49:28
I like which. I don't know if that's a good
49:30
thing but but maybe it is. I don't know, but I.
49:35
Think I think it's OK. I'm adding to cart here.
49:41
I love that a piece I would add to my cart and my one costume to
49:47
rule them all. It was Ilya's club.
49:51
Look I that leopard. Sure.
49:55
All the thought Hannah put behind it.
49:59
Chef's kiss. Chef's kiss.
50:02
That's a crazy one. It's, it's really good.
50:04
I mean, the fact that it goes down to sleeves is it's madness.
50:09
It's so seriously crazy. It's so crazy, it's so perfect
50:17
and. It.
50:18
Brings haha. You said it, not me, no.
50:27
You know that's not what I meant.
50:28
That was such a dad joke. On that note, if you.
50:41
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51:39
Yeah, I'm good. Oh.
51:43
Man, Yeah. OK, Elizabeth, our next episode,
51:50
we are continuing all the fun we've had.
51:56
In our last episode, we did a Robin Williams film and we had
52:00
so much fun doing that. Yeah.
52:03
And we figured we're going to keep the fun going.
52:05
So we're doing another Robin Williams classic.
52:08
We're watching a film I haven't seen in a hot minute.
52:11
We are going to be doing Mrs. Doubtfire.
52:16
Yay. So that's going to be a lot of
52:18
fun. Lots of fun and costumes in that
52:20
one. We just been having lots of fun
52:21
with like the grandmother look on this podcast we have.
52:26
We have. So.
52:29
Misses Doubtfire certainly has that.
52:32
Your coastal grandmother clip from the bird cage went like
52:36
viral so. Did it it?
52:38
Did really well. So people love the the
52:41
grandmother talk. So I'm excited to talk about
52:44
Misses Doubtfire. I can't wait.
52:48
Yeah, it's gonna be fun. So like Lizabeth said, listen to
52:54
the costume house. We just dropped a whole bunch of
52:56
bonus episodes a whole bunch, and when Emmy nominations come
53:02
out, we'll have probably even more.
53:04
So look out for those. Thank you all for listening,
53:08
Elizabeth. Thank you for doing this heated
53:10
rivalry episode. Thank you for hosting the fun
53:13
heated rivalry marathon. And to Avisha also for basically
53:18
Co producing this episode as well.
53:23
She really did for putting together the great marathon and
53:26
all the great stacks I still have.
53:29
Oh, that's why she brought coronas.
53:32
I just realized why. There's coronas too.
53:38
There's so much. There's a bunch of coronas in my
53:39
fridge so drink. Them.
53:42
Yeah, yeah. So thank you all for listening
53:45
and I'm excited to talk about Mrs. Doubtfire and see you in
53:49
the next episode. Everyone have a great week.