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Ep. 31 - Are You Rapture Ready? · Martyr's Row

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  This week on Martyrs Row. Did Kurt Cameron get
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  it right? When Jesus comes back, are there going
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  to be a bunch of naked people flying in the air?
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  Uh, did the abomination of desolation already
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  happen? Was the prophet Amos the most famous
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  Amos? Are we going to ride up to heaven on a
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  giant slug? I don't know. Let's find out. Three,
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  two, one. The Blessed Sileton Martyrs, twelve
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  in number, from the town of Silium in Africa,
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  where in the reign of Marcus Aurelius brought
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  before the procouncil Saturninus at Carthage.
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  When commanded to swear by the emperor and sacrifice
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  to the gods, Spuritus boldly answered, I serve
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  that God whom no man hath seen, nor can see.
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  We have done no wrong and when we buy we pay
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  the tax But our Lord is the King of Kings and
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  ruler of all nations When offered 30 days to
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  consider he replied in a matter so just there
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  is no deliberation Choosing rather to die than
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  deny Christ. They were led forth to execution
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  and as the sword was drawn Narcissus cried. Thanks
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  be to God Thus these faithful saints, the first
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  recorded martyrs of Africa, sealed their witness
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  with blood and received the crown of life. July
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  17, Anno Domini, 180. Deep beneath the streets
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  of Jerusalem winds a dark, narrow passage. where
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  cool water still flows, echoing footsteps against
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  walls of hand -carved stone. This ancient channel
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  snakes nearly 1 ,750 feet through bedrock, its
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  path bending in a mysterious S -shape. Archaeologists
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  have marveled that it was dug from two ends simultaneously,
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  the workers somehow meeting perfectly in the
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  middle. An inscription found on its wall celebrates
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  this astonishing moment of breakthrough. Built
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  nearly 2 ,700 years ago, it redirected a life
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  -giving spring inside the city walls, protecting
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  Jerusalem's water supply from enemies. This marvel
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  is none other than Hezekiah's Tunnel, a living
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  testament to biblical history that visitors can
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  still walk or wade through today. Hey Paul. Hey
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  Steven. So Hezekiah's Tunnel. Have you ever heard
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  of it? I've never heard of it. Okay. Yeah, I
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  was like, whoa. So Hezekiah's Tunnel is really
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  really cool. We've talked about it before and
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  I feel like... Cool enough said. The end. 3 -2.
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  No, I feel like I bring this up all the time
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  and like different people always have this thing
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  like... Yeah, I get it. You've been to Israel.
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  So I spent five weeks in Israel. That kid who
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  studied abroad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So much time
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  in Europe. Back when I lived in Israel. But I
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  was there for five weeks. And I was intentionally
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  doing study every day. I don't know why I thought
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  you were going to say days. I was there for five
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  days. We were there for five hours on a layover.
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  We're just trying to get to Cancun. I don't know
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  why we went all the way to Israel. We took the
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  route all the way around the earth. It was cool.
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  Wild spring break. When I was there, they took
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  us to this... the spot that's like, like the
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  old city of Jerusalem, they call it that, like
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  the old city is like in the heart of Jerusalem.
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  And it's not very big, like from the top to the
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  bottom, you can kind of throw a stone, like in
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  this way that's like, when you think about David
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  and Bathsheba, it's a little bit like, yeah,
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  you can see everybody. But obviously like that's,
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  that may be a whole episode. But. But the cool
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  thing is, is like, what happened was, is King
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  Hezekiah, after coming back from Babylon, after
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  like, they're trying to build the second temple,
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  but then there's Assyrian threats. What they
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  do is they take the spring, and it's the spring
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  of Gibran, the spring of, what is the spring
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  of? Where is it, Paul? Tell me. Spring up, oh
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  well. Splish, splish, splish, splash. Splish,
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  splash. Is that how it goes? Digging a tunnel.
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  Second Chronicles 32, 30. Blocked the upper,
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  Hezekiah blocked the upper outlet of the waters
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  of Gihon and directed them down to the west.
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  side of the city of David. So what he does is
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  he takes their water supply and he redirects
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  it in a way that it comes into the top of Jerusalem.
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  And then the Mount Moriah that Jerusalem is on
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  is tilted from north to south. So like if you're
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  standing in the south, you're looking up at the
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  top of Jerusalem. Yeah. And if you're standing
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  at the top of Jerusalem, you're looking down
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  on the old city. So it's slanted in the earth.
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  which is really cool. That's cool. So what he
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  did was is he had this tunnel built right dead
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  straight through the middle of the old city.
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  And it was to divert the water supply and then
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  drain it into a pool, which would eventually
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  be the pool asylum. Oh, really? Is it asylum?
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  Yeah, asylum. S -I -L -O -A -M. And that's from
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  John chapter 9, where Jesus heals the man by
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  spitting in the mud and putting the mud on his
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  eyes. He says, go wash in that pool. That's cool.
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  So that's the pool at the end of Hezekiah's tunnel.
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  Wow. Yeah, which is like the south part of the
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  old city. This guy's like, let's build this crazy
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  tunnel so I can take a bath. Well, no, no, no.
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  The whole point was with the threat of the Assyrian
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  army. Yeah. They wanted a way to lock down the
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  city gates. And still have water. And still have
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  water. That's smart. And still have fresh water.
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  That's cool. But the crazy thing is they built
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  it, they carved it through the bedrock of the
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  actual old city. So you can go down in it. And
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  I've actually walked through the tunnel. That's
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  so cool, which is crazy and at one point you
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  have to like scoot through it Really like sideways
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  and then you come back out and and you end up
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  in the pool, which is that's so cool It's pretty
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  cool. Well, I don't drink from it anymore, but
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  but in depending on what time of year it is and
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  like Like how things are going the water could
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  be at different levels and stuff like that as
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  you go through But the crazy and awesome the
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  craziest thing about it is one. It's like it's
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  one of the it's one of the top examples of something
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  where you can physically go there, you can look
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  at it, you can see the markings on the wall,
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  you can, like everything is still called what
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  it was, and it's a biblical, like it's in the
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  Bible referenced this way. So everything is referenced
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  that way in 2 Chronicles and 2 Kings. 2 Kings
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  20 says, Hezekiah made the pool and the tunnel
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  by which he brought water into the city. It's
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  this crazy thing where, yeah, so they found the
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  inside of the tunnel in the 19th century. And
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  people are still confused about how they actually
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  did it. So yeah, the purpose was to - I love
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  that we just lose track of these things. And
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  then one day it was like - Oh, like the ability?
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  Check this out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I
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  mean, even just finding it's like, yeah, we discovered
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  this crazy tunnel. Well, and that's the thing
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  is I think most of the people that, you get exiles.
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  So as people are coming in and out of the city.
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  Oh, that's fair. Just let people know about things.
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  Yeah, because the people that lived there for
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  a long time don't live there anymore. That makes
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  sense. And then each civilization swapping out.
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  And then you get archaeologists that eventually
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  come in and they're like, wait, what is this?
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  And then they cross -reference the Bible and
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  it's like, oh, that's what this is. That's what
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  that is. Yeah. Which is... Pretty cool, because
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  it's the validity of the historical record of
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  Second Chronicles and Second Kings. That's so
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  cool. It's funny, because you reminded me of...
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  I don't know if I've said this before. You're
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  going to hear it again if I did. When I was in
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  Italy, I was joking about... Speaking of... We've
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  traveled, guys. You look at the Coliseum. Okay,
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  and I made a joke. I was like, could you imagine
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  like just forgetting what this thing was? It's
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  just kind of like there. Oh, yeah Well, then
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  I go inside and I start reading I'm like, oh
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  they did forget what this was. Yeah, and it's
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  like there's like here's this massive structure
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  No clue what it's used for that and like that's
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  so crazy kids would just go there and hang out
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  Yeah, and apparently Virgil would go there and
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  do neck practice necromancy. Okay sure Of course,
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  and then one day they're just like, oh wait that
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  thing I actually be significant Hey, we should
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  probably take care of this. You think? Yeah,
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  you wonder how many times that actually happened
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  through history. Right. Because we have we have
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  records of like the Inca in the Maya. Yeah. And
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  even the Egyptians, like we have record of like,
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  if you look at their records, not our records
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  onto them, if you look at their records and ask
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  their people, a lot of there's a lot of like
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  foundational structures that they're like, no,
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  we just found this here. Like it was here before
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  we got here. And then you're like, wait, but
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  did you ever figure out what it was? It's like,
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  yeah, a lot of those people are like, yeah, the
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  Giants made it. You're like, oh. Okay, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah. These people are crazy. It's like,
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  well, are they? I think they made it. No, we
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  didn't. You guys made it. Trust us. You made
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  it. Okay, gaslight. Well, it's like the Serpent
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  Mound in Ohio and the other mounds. And they're
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  like, yeah, the Native Americans built this.
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  And I'm like, no, we didn't. You did. You just
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  forgot. That's the crazy thing. It's like when
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  you go like, yeah, as soon as you start saying
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  like, no, it was probably giants earlier or other
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  civilizations before them. And people are like,
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  that's just conspiracy. It's like. Actually,
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  it's the history of the people that you're saying
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  that's what they said That's their history. I'm
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  just that's actually more true than what the
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  white man says Is that derogatory it's like me
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  going to new town be like that building's a bank
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  like that's a subway. It's a bank I'm gonna go
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  put my money there. It's a food bank. Yeah, it's
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  that's a mess, but has a guy's It's a mess. It
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  is. The world's a mess. But the crazy thing about
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  Hezekiah's tunnel is, one, it's 1 ,750 feet.
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  So it's this long, narrow pathway. But it's carved
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  out of the bedrock. And the instruction was to
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  have people at both ends, because they were trying
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  to build it as fast as possible. Oh, wow. So
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  they actually said they meet in the middle. Yeah,
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  and then they did. That's crazy. That's the crazy
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  part. And it's S -curved. So it's not a direct
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  line. It is right in the middle of the old city.
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  But it's like this S -curve. So they actually
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  literally started on both ends. And they somehow
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  hit exactly as they're weaving through. Yes.
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  That's crazy. So they just all of a sudden were
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  like, ding, ding, ding. Hi. Hey, neighbor. Which
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  is so crazy. And that's why people are like,
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  we have no idea how they figured that out, or
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  how they were able to do that. That's so wild.
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  Yeah. Yeah, it says, workers dug from both ends
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  simultaneously, meeting in the middle. An incredible
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  feat of ancient engineering. I think of any engineering.
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  Yeah, absolutely. The tunnel slopes gently, allowing
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  water to flow naturally by gravity. That's the
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  other thing. So they're on different planes.
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  What do you mean? Like, as far as like... Since
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  it's a gradient, someone's starting higher than
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  the person starting lower. That's the other thing.
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  So you're also hoping that you meet at the same
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  level. Yes. Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy.
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  Yeah. I mean, theoretically, if you're starting
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  at the bottom of the hill, you can kind of just
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  go up the slope. But if you're at a more of an
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  incline than someone else is, then it's like,
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  oh, their water's coming down, and then yours
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  is suddenly here. Right. No, yeah. Yeah. And
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  so that's and it's like just a subtle enough
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  slope that everybody's like we don't like this
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  is the perfect slope for this to just fall in
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  like the angle of the degree at the angle is
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  like perfect. Wow. Or like gravity to naturally
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  move it in. Isn't that crazy? And that's like
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  you can go see that, like you can go to the old
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  city of Jerusalem and literally walk in Hezekiah's
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  tunnel. That's so cool. It's wild. Wow. Isn't
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  that cool? I like that. Jerusalem is a pretty
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  wild place. Lots of stuff happens. And I've been
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  there. You've been there. Ready? You lived there
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  for five days. Last time I'll say that. Three,
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  two, one. their static glow. Neighbors gathered,
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  eyes turned low. The clocks kept ticking in their
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  rooms, the silence bloomed. Children's shoes
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  by garden gates, cooling coffee half a plate.
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  All the ordinary signs left behind. We were living
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  from the ground. The city lights burned on. Every
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  question slowly fades. Heard the hymn of ages.
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  Trumpets breaking through the night. Every doubt
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  cast aside. He was coming on the clouds. The
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  lamp stands while all else died. inside the hour.
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  Pre -trip flames or post -trip fire, all our
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  doctrines came apart in the dark. We were lifted
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  from the ground, city lights burned on, and every
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  question slowly And every doubt cast aside He
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  was coming on the clouds The lamb stands while
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  all else dies Was it mercy? Was it fire? Just
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  as burning or desire I only know the heavy air
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  Collapsed into a prayer And every crooked knee
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  went down And every nation bowed to him The king
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  was seated And every question slowly fades We
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  heard the hymn of ages Trumpets breaking through
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  the night And every doubt cast aside He was coming
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  on the clouds The lambs dance while all else
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  dies Look at the world around us, the rebirth
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  of Israel after nearly 2 ,000 years, the growing
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  power blocks of East and West poised on the brink
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  of nuclear war, the moral decay of once Christian
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  nations, and the restless cries for a global
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  leader who can bring peace. These are not coincidences.
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  They are the very signs the prophets warned about.
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  Ezekiel foresaw nations from the north aligning
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  against Israel. Daniel spoke of a final empire
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  rising from the ruins of Rome. And Jesus himself
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  told us that in the last days, men's hearts would
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  fail them from fear. For the first time in history,
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  every piece of that prophetic puzzle is on the
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  table. We are the generation that could very
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  well witness the climactic return of Christ.
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  The only real question is not whether He is coming,
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  but whether you are ready when He does. Hey,
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  Paul? Yes? Are you rapture ready? Well Paul,
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  are you? So that was a There's a famous author
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  named how Lindsay and how Lindsay wrote a book
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  called late great planet earth Yes, and that
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  book what I just read was not an excerpt from
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  that book. However, it was chat GPT Not quoting
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  because it's not allowed to you. Yeah But instead
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  creating an excerpt as if how Lindsay wrote it
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  mmm, so that excerpt that I just read was chat
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  GPT imitating how Lindsay which I feel like is
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  the most martyr row that's kind of interesting
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  that we could do yeah that's true what if we
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  pretended we were John Fox but we're not actually
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  him but we kind of are in the style of John Fox
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  kind of so we're just like chat GPT version of
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  authors that's actually Isn't that just ChatGPT?
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  I think it's just ChatGPT. We just happen to
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  be the ones typing it in. Yeah, true. I mean,
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  that is kind of important. Yeah, it's an important
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  job. Like, who presses the button is... I'll
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  push the button. We don't blame the button. We
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  blame the person that pushed it. Yeah, I'll push
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  it. But, Paul, I was thinking about this. A new
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  merch drop. It's emerged. Speaking of merch drop
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  a New Martyrs Road shirt from just for you. I'll
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  push the button No, I so I'm a I'm a 90s kid.
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  And yeah, what I mean by that is like I was a
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  child in the 90s Yes, so I guess I'm a 2000s
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  kid. I don't know how that works Yeah, I mean
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  you were more of a 90s kid than I was yeah, but
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  like when the Bulls Won the national or the championship.
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  I don't know anything about basketball in 96.
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  I was six years old. So okay. It's like I was
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  too Yeah, not also six. I was two years What
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  same But I remember growing up that and I don't
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  know if you ever we've never talked about this
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  and to be honest with you I completely forgot
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  about this But there used to be these bumper
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  stickers that people would give out all the time
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  when I was a kid that literally said, Rapture
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  Ready. Really? Do you remember this? It's like,
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  I feel like I have a memory of that, but I don't
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  know if I'm just making it up right now or not.
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  Oh. But I feel like I've seen those before. Like
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  I'm forcing you to have a memory of something
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  you didn't have? It's possible. Like I can, I
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  vividly see something in my head, but I don't
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  know if it's real or not. That's just called
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  being an empath. Yeah, then I'm an empathetic.
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  I'm having an empathetic thought you're 100 %
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  an empath Well, so like rapture ready was like
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  this this thing like so I grew up with like I
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  Grew up in the Pentecostal space particularly
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  word of faith so a lot of like pre -millennial
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  Rapture dispensationalism like that was that
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  was massive. Yeah, and those words like Maybe
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  we're gonna get into them in a minute There's
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  a lot of M's in millennialism there is and L's
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  I'll take an M, please It was just crazy because
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  we're Millennials Wait, this must mean something
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  Oh, what's the date today? Yeah, so like the
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  Yeah, I remember a friend of mine who's Wait,
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  what's coming up? We'll get to it. The end of
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  the age? Yeah. Okay. As we know it. No, but I
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  had a friend growing up that I'd always go stay
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  the night at his house. We'd trade baseball cards.
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  We actually played baseball, like little league
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  baseball together. That's cool. Good guy. Still
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  friends to this day. Still trade baseball cards?
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  Honestly, we might. That'd actually be kind of
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  awesome if you would. That might be where I just
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  came from. No, one of those things is like, I
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  remember vividly like his parents had this business
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  where they owned like vending machines. I don't
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  know why I'm relating these two things together,
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  but they would like, so they just had like vending
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  machines just in their house. Which was really
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  weird to me. Kind of like, are you guys rich?
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But most of them were turned
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  around or not functional, but there was at least
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  one that always had stuff in it. That's cool.
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  I was just like, this is weird, but that's what
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  their business was. But they also... were like
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  massively into this rapture ready gear. So there
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  were like shirts, bumper stickers, like pins.
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  And the whole thing was like, like right now
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  I know people and I actually love this type of
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  evangelism in a way that's like overtly like
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  happy, but also like a little bit like. Huh,
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  I'm I'm not sure if I love this or I don't like
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  it, but I think I'm more so really really like
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  it Yeah, we're like there are people that I know
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  that hand out massive bumper stickers that just
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  say Jesus on them And like I love that. Yeah,
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  just cuz it's like just they're just like hey,
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  like I'm happy today Like it's because of Jesus.
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  Here's a bumper sticker. She's kind of cool They're
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  like you may throw away, but it also looks kind
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  of cool. Yeah. Yeah, but like Back when I was
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  growing up it was rapture ready and it was like
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  this black and white like it was like this Inverted
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  thing so like half of it was black and the letters
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  were white the other half was white with the
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  letters were black It was like this inverted.
• 24:26
  Okay. I feel better now because that's what I
• 24:28
  was imagining in my head earlier That's exactly
• 24:30
  so I have seen okay. They're like they're like
• 24:33
  yin -yang. Yeah. Yeah, which was okay also weird
• 24:36
  I know exactly what you're talking about. OK,
• 24:38
  yes. I didn't imagine it. It's a real thought.
• 24:41
  It's a real memory. Good. So I, for the first
• 24:44
  time today, looked up RaptureReady .com. That's
• 24:51
  a real place. It's a real place. It is a part
• 24:56
  of the World Wide Web sphere. Whoa. Al Gore?
• 25:01
  If you type in World Wide Web dot. Echosphere.
• 25:07
  But it's literally RaptureReady .com. That should
• 25:09
  be what our... Echosphere .com Instead of Martyrs
• 25:15
  Row. It redirects to Martyrs Row. Echo Sphere.
• 25:18
  The Echo Sphere. But I looked this up and I wanted
• 25:22
  to get into this. So this is still an active
• 25:24
  website. Wow. And basically they have all these
• 25:27
  links and stuff with articles and what they do
• 25:30
  is they go through and they basically do active
• 25:33
  news of the end times. So like if anybody's writing
• 25:36
  about or if there are things going on in Israel
• 25:38
  or like world events or issues that that point
• 25:44
  towards everything is falling apart, then they
• 25:48
  write an article about it. They're there. Yeah.
• 25:51
  They will be there. If something is falling apart
• 25:53
  around you and it looks like Jesus is coming
• 25:55
  back, Rapture Ready is right there. Are you Rapture
• 25:57
  Ready? We are. They have more those tragedies
• 26:02
  They have this thing at the bottom in time news
• 26:07
  articles events prophecy and a doctrine of the
• 26:10
  pre tribulation rapture of the church It says
• 26:12
  the pre tribulation rapture of the church will
• 26:14
  occur when Jesus returns to earth right before
• 26:17
  the seven -year tribulation All those who are
• 26:19
  not ready will be left behind This website is
• 26:23
  the most complete resource for understanding
• 26:25
  in times prophecies and news relating to the
• 26:28
  last days you will find current news reports,
• 26:33
  articles, and biblically based information with
• 26:35
  the emphasis on prophecy. For those who remain
• 26:38
  and must endure the tribulation, we have information
• 26:42
  on how to become tribulation saints. RaptureReady
• 26:46
  .com features articles from prophetic end times
• 26:50
  experts, scholars, and writers that explain what
• 26:52
  will happen during the tribulation, as well as
• 26:55
  articles on a variety of topics related to the
• 26:58
  books in the Bible. Our ultimate goal is to reach
• 27:00
  visitors about the saving grace that comes when
• 27:03
  you allow Jesus Christ to become your personal
• 27:06
  savior. I feel like they should have kept the
• 27:09
  alliteration. They're like tribulation seems
• 27:11
  like tribulation tanks. Oh, they're like you're
• 27:15
  gonna be a tank in that tribulation Yeah, it's
• 27:20
  tough rapture if you're not rapture ready you
• 27:22
  can be a tribulation state tribulation tank Here's
• 27:26
  a tough thing. I want to be clear. I am NOT making
• 27:29
  fun of this in any way Oh, no, I just I know
• 27:31
  I know yeah, I just want to make sure I say that
• 27:34
  that's fair because we talked about this pretty
• 27:37
  consistently all the way through every single
• 27:39
  episode, which is like, if what you're talking
• 27:42
  about theologically or the ideas that you have
• 27:44
  or whether it's like fringe thoughts, like things
• 27:47
  that are kind of weird or like different examples
• 27:49
  of whatever, like things that are not core doctrine,
• 27:53
  they end that statement by saying, our whole
• 27:55
  purpose is to share the gospel of Jesus. And
• 27:58
  like that's so valuable. So like they're not,
• 28:02
  they're just like there so if someone goes what's
• 28:05
  the rapture and rapture ready .com comes up there's
• 28:08
  an opportunity to like share jesus there yes
• 28:10
  and it's one that seems like that's awesome but
• 28:13
  in the middle of that huge paragraph to say if
• 28:17
  you didn't make the rapture uh this website is
• 28:20
  here as a resource to you to help you through
• 28:22
  as become a tribulation saint which actually
• 28:25
  like That's some long -term thinking. Yeah, they're
• 28:29
  saying, hey. They say, like, hey, we're probably
• 28:31
  not going to be here. Right, but the website's
• 28:33
  still here. But he's still here, and there's
• 28:34
  some resources for you. So if the rapture happened,
• 28:38
  and you look around, and there are neatly folded
• 28:40
  clothes on the ground everywhere, then watch
• 28:43
  out for Nicholas Cage. Go to raptuready .com.
• 28:47
  Go to raptuready .com and figure out the pathway
• 28:50
  to become a tribulation saint. Yeah. But if you
• 28:53
  want to learn how to become a tribulation tank.
• 28:55
  Go to paul .com. Slash Echo Sphere. Slash Martyrs
• 29:02
  Row. Backslash Tribulation Tank. Dash World Wide
• 29:06
  Web. World Wide Web. But no, I mean, like, if
• 29:11
  the point of it is to, at the end of it, it's
• 29:14
  like, hey, let's all be rapture -ready by learning
• 29:17
  who Jesus is. And it's like, awesome. I'm all
• 29:19
  for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But then we go like,
• 29:23
  well, what is that? So Paul, how do I beat that?
• 29:29
  What would it be like to be rapture ready? Is
• 29:33
  that disrespectful? No, I just love the way you
• 29:36
  did it because you just tried it with the voice.
• 29:39
  I did. And I'm not sure who I was imitating.
• 29:42
  I don't either. It's almost like an Elmer Fudd.
• 29:45
  But I think that's what it is. It's kind of.
• 29:47
  Yeah. Let's go with that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. OK.
• 29:50
  Well, you know, so in classic fashion. when I
• 29:54
  hear, are you Rapture ready? My thought is like,
• 29:57
  okay, ready for what? You know what I mean? Yeah,
• 30:01
  so it's like, what is that? What is the thing
• 30:04
  that I'm ready for? Because I think we all say,
• 30:06
  oh, the Rapture. And then, at least for me, my
• 30:09
  mind immediately goes to the imagery of the Left
• 30:11
  Behind series. Yes, exactly. And it's like, oh,
• 30:14
  we all just kind of aren't here anymore. It's
• 30:17
  just like, their clothes just laying on the floor.
• 30:20
  Or I've heard other... people talk about, it's
• 30:22
  like, oh, we all get basically abducted straight
• 30:25
  up into the air and we're just levitating. We're
• 30:27
  like, we're going into the clouds. Yes. And it's
• 30:29
  like, well, that's kind of crazy. We're having
• 30:32
  a conversation and all of a sudden it's like,
• 30:33
  hey, so. What's happening to me? Is this ceiling
• 30:39
  going to disappear? But to be fair, that is something
• 30:43
  we have biblical precedent for. Yeah, there's
• 30:46
  something to be said for that. Not just about.
• 30:49
  the concept of the rapture. Yeah. But we actually,
• 30:52
  there's at least two examples of people being
• 30:54
  taken up. Yes. Which is interesting. Which is
• 30:56
  interesting. Yes. Well so, what's fascinating
• 30:59
  to me is like, and follow me here. Okay. You
• 31:01
  just gotta follow me on this journey. It's like.
• 31:04
  Get your backpacks ready. So here's, here's our
• 31:06
  thought about it. And you're like, yeah, it's
• 31:07
  gonna be like the silent like magic trick that
• 31:09
  God's gonna do. But it's like, what if. This
• 31:14
  is me just throwing stuff out. I'm following
• 31:16
  you. What if, like, cause you know, Jesus is
• 31:20
  the cloud guy. Like he's coming on the clouds.
• 31:23
  He ascended into the clouds. He's coming on the
• 31:25
  clouds. It's a great song. Oh, Leland. Yeah.
• 31:28
  I love that song. And then like we have Elijah.
• 31:32
  He's got the chariots of fire coming down. It's
• 31:34
  like, okay, they got their thing. Yes. But like,
• 31:37
  what if it's different for us? What if instead
• 31:39
  it's like this giant like slug who just like
• 31:43
  shows up and he's like. Hop in. And he's got
• 31:49
  like this trolley behind him or something like,
• 31:52
  I don't know, I'm just throwing stuff out. Do
• 31:55
  we get absorbed into the skin of the slug? No,
• 31:58
  he's like pulling like this trolley. And he's
• 32:00
  like, hop in. Oh, OK. We're headed up. So you're
• 32:04
  saying instead of us becoming naked and folding
• 32:07
  our clothes on the ground? like Left Behind,
• 32:10
  and I guess vaporizing, maybe that's what they
• 32:13
  were expressing. Because if the Left Behind series
• 32:18
  is suggesting that we are getting caught up in
• 32:21
  the air, then if our clothes are folded on the
• 32:25
  ground, does that mean that we have resurrection
• 32:27
  bodies in an instant? I don't think that's a
• 32:31
  part of anybody's theology. I don't think so.
• 32:35
  And also like, when do we get our robes? But
• 32:39
  I guess the question would be, like, in the writer's
• 32:41
  room of Left Behind, how do we show that someone's
• 32:44
  just not there? Clothes on the ground. Yeah.
• 32:48
  Their clothes are on the ground. But doesn't
• 32:50
  that present problems of nudity? It does. So
• 32:55
  if we get caught up in the air, are we assuming
• 32:58
  that Elijah... Don't look up that night. Don't
• 33:01
  look up that night. Where does the slug come
• 33:06
  from? I was just throwing stuff out. OK, I like
• 33:08
  it. It was kind of like this funny thought that
• 33:10
  I had in my brain as we were talking about this.
• 33:13
  Yeah, like chariot to fire at first and now a
• 33:15
  slug. Yeah, and it's just like, hey, guys, you
• 33:16
  didn't quite make the Elijah cut. True. Here's
• 33:22
  Charlie the slug coming for you. Yeah, yeah,
• 33:24
  yeah. You know, it's like, I don't know. I know
• 33:27
  it's not true. I mean, we don't know the day
• 33:31
  or the hour. We don't. We also don't know what
• 33:33
  the transportation is. Yeah, exactly. Well, so
• 33:41
  that's what got me thinking about it. It's like,
• 33:43
  OK, so what is it going to look like? What is
• 33:45
  the Bible kind of outlined for us? Sure, yeah.
• 33:47
  Because it's like, in some ways, it's like, is
• 33:50
  my version just as valid as these other ones?
• 33:53
  Right. It's like, OK, where are these coming
• 33:55
  from? What are we actually getting ready for?
• 33:57
  Yeah. because I think there's something that's
• 33:59
  so neat and like neat and tidy about like the
• 34:03
  left behind idea. I don't mean to just keep picking
• 34:05
  on them. They're just the ones that made the
• 34:07
  pop culture that everyone follows. No, yeah,
• 34:09
  of course. And it's like with that, it's like,
• 34:11
  oh, yeah, it's this people are just kind of like
• 34:13
  not there anymore. And it's like, oh, what happened?
• 34:15
  That's weird. Yeah. But then whenever I feel
• 34:18
  like I whatever I look through scripture, it's
• 34:19
  like the opposite. When it's like, oh, you know
• 34:23
  exactly what happens. Because it says at the
• 34:25
  final trumpet, everyone's taken up. And there's
• 34:28
  this gathering. So it's like, it's a really loud
• 34:30
  event that happens. Like, potentially the sky
• 34:34
  opens up. And there's all these earthquakes.
• 34:36
  And there's the cry and command of the voice
• 34:39
  of Jesus. And it's like, OK, that doesn't sound
• 34:41
  like, hm, no one's here. And their clothes are
• 34:44
  on the ground. So that's like a buffet. So in
• 34:48
  other words, like, Kind of what you're getting
• 34:51
  to a little bit is like if we take literal passages
• 34:54
  where there are their actual trumpet sounds and
• 34:57
  there are there's a Jesus on a white horse coming
• 35:01
  on the clouds like if if if that part is literal
• 35:04
  or the the being taken up into the clouds or
• 35:09
  Vanishing or being gone in an instant where the
• 35:12
  the king will return like a thief in the night
• 35:15
  Yes, like if we take we can't pick and choose
• 35:18
  which part is literal and which isn't. Right.
• 35:21
  I guess in some ways, looking at the context
• 35:23
  of where it was written, it does that for us.
• 35:27
  Sure. Where there is a metaphor or story or even
• 35:34
  parable of like, this is what it's going to be
• 35:37
  like, or this is what it is like, which is more
• 35:40
  true of what a parable is. But it's like it's
• 35:44
  one of those things where when we see something
• 35:47
  like the Left Behind series, they're kind of
• 35:49
  just like a la carte, picking which pieces they
• 35:52
  want. And that ends up being kind of problematic.
• 35:56
  Because then it becomes like our paradise lost.
• 35:58
  We're like, oh, that's what it is now. Yes. Well,
• 36:01
  because then it's like a thief in the night.
• 36:03
  But in Left Behind, a lot of it's in the daytime.
• 36:08
  Yes. But then they're gone in an instant, like
• 36:11
  a vapor. And it's like, there are all these biblical
• 36:15
  parallels, but they're not all referencing the
• 36:19
  same thing, the same event. So it is interesting
• 36:21
  to be like, well, wait, you're piecing this and
• 36:26
  this and this and this together. It's just all
• 36:28
  a card thing. Or it's like, wait, what is actually
• 36:31
  happening? What is the thing? Yes. Yeah, because
• 36:34
  I mean, I've even seen some people reference
• 36:37
  in Matthew when Jesus talks about the dead will
• 36:40
  be raised. Yes, and it's like and not like up
• 36:43
  until heaven but like they'll just They'll hear
• 36:46
  the voice of the son of man coming and then let's
• 36:48
  be like, hey, it's like oh, that's talking about
• 36:50
  the resurrection Right. It's like that's not
• 36:52
  even the why you attaching that to the revelation.
• 36:55
  That's not the same event No exactly like that
• 36:57
  already happened. Well and like and you also
• 36:59
  get this concept of like Revelation 20 where
• 37:04
  like the Saints the Saints who are martyred.
• 37:08
  Yes being taken up and then Others being left
• 37:12
  and you're like what exact who is who is who
• 37:16
  and when? When does this point take place? Yes
• 37:20
  at which point like are we? Part of that are
• 37:24
  we not part of that are the martyrs because it
• 37:27
  calls them martyrs. Yes, so that means they are
• 37:30
  dead, right? Yes, so the Saints and the martyrs
• 37:36
  that died in the name of Christ coupling the
• 37:41
  church that's living on the earth with that group
• 37:44
  is interesting. Yeah, because we have other parts
• 37:49
  in scripture that say, at the sound of the last
• 37:52
  trumpet, the dead will raise first, and then
• 37:54
  those of the living will be raised. And basically,
• 38:00
  those that are in Christ will find rest, and
• 38:01
  those that aren't will be judged. Right. And
• 38:04
  it's like, oh, dang, so it sounds like at the
• 38:06
  last trumpet, this is kind of all happening.
• 38:08
  Yeah, and is it an actual trumpet sound that
• 38:11
  everybody can hear right or are the Christians
• 38:14
  the only one they can hear? Because they had
• 38:16
  ears to hear that's interesting But see what
• 38:19
  I mean though? If I just take a bunch of random.
• 38:22
  And they'd be like, oh, there's an interesting
• 38:23
  sounding idea. Yeah. If I just go like, hey,
• 38:26
  I'm saying a bunch of stuff that is in the Bible,
• 38:28
  but it's all over the place. Yes. And I'm putting
• 38:31
  them all together into one thing. Because it
• 38:34
  sounds kind of like it could mean this. Yeah,
• 38:36
  because I'm using biblical language. Yes. It
• 38:38
  doesn't mean that what I'm saying is a coherent
• 38:41
  doctrine. Yeah. or even a Christian belief. Right,
• 38:47
  it's true. In fact, it's closer to, like, proclaimed
• 38:52
  heresy than anything. Dang. You know what I mean?
• 38:56
  Because that's what ends up happening. Like,
• 38:59
  one of the things I've been looking at recently
• 39:00
  is some of the practices of, like, the Desert
• 39:04
  Fathers. And, like, when you look at practices
• 39:07
  of the Desert Fathers, things like Lectio Divina,
• 39:09
  which is, like, Latin for divine reading. The
• 39:12
  whole point of that was the Roman government
• 39:19
  adopts Christianity. It becomes the religion
• 39:22
  of the state. And the desert fathers decide to
• 39:25
  go out in the wilderness and preserve the purity
• 39:28
  of Christianity. And so one of the things that
• 39:31
  they do is they read the Bible by like four to
• 39:36
  six verses at a time. And then they sit with
• 39:40
  it. they meditate on it, they memorize it, but
• 39:43
  that's their process of reading the Bible. Yeah.
• 39:46
  So then their process of study is different because
• 39:52
  they're just soaking in the words. Yeah. And
• 39:56
  if they're just soaking in the words, then on
• 39:59
  the other side of what is actually a good, like
• 40:02
  spiritual discipline, uh, in like Deo Divina,
• 40:05
  like divine reading, if you don't balance that
• 40:08
  with actual study, of context and what's going
• 40:12
  on in the text itself. If you don't balance those
• 40:15
  things, then you end up on one end with dogma
• 40:20
  that you've created in the study only, and then
• 40:24
  in lectio only or divine reading or just soaking
• 40:28
  in the words, you end up with heresy. So it's
• 40:31
  one of those things where you have to have both
• 40:33
  things. It's true. That's true. And so as we
• 40:36
  look at The concept of the rapture we look at
• 40:39
  the end times and look at all that stuff You
• 40:41
  can't just like piece a bunch of like a vapor
• 40:44
  from dust to dust like uh Like a thief in the
• 40:47
  night like in the blink of an eye Like you can't
• 40:49
  just say all these things and then go this is
• 40:52
  what it's gonna look like out of all these phrases
• 40:53
  It's true. Yeah, you have to actually read the
• 40:55
  context of okay This is from this area that's
• 40:59
  talking about this and I can't conflate it to
• 41:02
  mean this or Be the conclusion or the punch line
• 41:05
  of this other passage true Yeah, just do that.
• 41:09
  It's true Well, I mean like I mean another thing
• 41:13
  to kind of what you're saying is like, yeah when
• 41:15
  you then you when you read Is it Revelation 6
• 41:18
  when it's like, oh the sky is gonna roll up like
• 41:21
  a scroll and the stars will fall And people are
• 41:23
  like, oh, yeah, that's meteors and that's like,
• 41:25
  you know This and that it's like, okay, or it
• 41:29
  could mean something else. I also like the way
• 41:31
  you just went meteors meteors That's like, uh,
• 41:35
  you like broke you broke character for a second
• 41:39
  You're like, yeah, that's like, you know the
• 41:42
  the roll of the sky and it's like then then it's
• 41:44
  like meteors Introduced a new character. The
• 41:51
  gamer Paul came out. Listen bro. I'm sorry, brosphere.
• 41:56
  The brosphere. Where the ecosphere originated.
• 42:00
  They were like meteors bro. Meteors bro. Get
• 42:04
  yours today at meteors .com. Yeah. But it's like,
• 42:11
  yeah if you take all those things out of context.
• 42:13
  Yeah. To be fair, with Revelation, we don't really
• 42:15
  fully know the context in some ways. Well, yeah.
• 42:18
  That's part of the problem. But it's like, yeah,
• 42:21
  when you just, like you're saying, if you just
• 42:22
  pull all these things out and then be like, yeah,
• 42:24
  and see, this is how they fit together. Right.
• 42:26
  It's like, do they? Sure. Because I feel like
• 42:30
  you just took your favorite pieces of that puzzle.
• 42:32
  Yeah. And you kind of just made them fit. Yeah.
• 42:35
  Yeah. And that's tough. Like, we talk about the
• 42:38
  hobby lobby signs. It's like, you can't just
• 42:39
  grab a bunch of hobby lobby signs, put them in
• 42:42
  whatever order you want, and that's a scripture.
• 42:44
  Right. It's like, oh, this is my scripture reading
• 42:48
  for the day. Chapter Hobby Lobby verses one and
• 42:51
  one through ten. Verse one through ten. I swear
• 42:56
  it's in there. But so like that we talk we've
• 43:01
  mentioned Revelation a few times. I think I think
• 43:03
  maybe a good like diving in point is something
• 43:06
  that's interesting about the Book of Revelation.
• 43:09
  Like when you get you mentioned chapter six.
• 43:12
  The first three chapters. of revelation and again
• 43:15
  like when we're talking about rapture we're kind
• 43:18
  of in revelation but there's actually a lot more
• 43:21
  in a lot of other places that's true um but in
• 43:25
  revelation you have this there there's there's
• 43:28
  a conflating idea um that a lot of people go
• 43:32
  to about the rapture and again not saying this
• 43:35
  is or isn't true it's just not there yeah um
• 43:38
  but the conflating of the first three chapters
• 43:42
  of revelation are to the earth. They're speaking
• 43:45
  about the earth. Yeah. And in the next three
• 43:48
  chapters, chapters four through six are speaking
• 43:53
  of heavenly things. Yes. So actually, the way
• 43:56
  chapter four opens up is interesting. We'll get
• 43:58
  to that. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a conflating
• 44:01
  there that's not plainly stated. Yeah. That the
• 44:05
  reason why it's like that is because after chapter
• 44:08
  three, the church is raptured. and then chapter
• 44:11
  four through six are heavenly conversations because
• 44:15
  the church is in heaven yeah but it doesn't say
• 44:18
  that it's true that's just we're hearing like
• 44:22
  yeah that makes sense but that's like a common
• 44:24
  thing yeah um when it comes to rapture theology
• 44:28
  and people talking about that and again rapture
• 44:31
  theology is too broad of a statement because
• 44:35
  there's so many different breakdowns yes And
• 44:39
  the whole thing's not incorrect. The whole thing's
• 44:41
  not correct. It's it's one of those things that
• 44:43
  like it's definitely a discussion to have. Right.
• 44:45
  Like what what let's talk about what the views
• 44:48
  are and and like what the churches believe and
• 44:53
  what what's beneficial for us to talk through.
• 44:56
  Yeah. Or how tightly we should hold on to certain
• 44:59
  things. Absolutely. I think that's the biggest
• 45:01
  thing. And that's why it's fun to just like be
• 45:03
  kind of silly. Just have fun with it. Yeah, because
• 45:05
  it is one of those things that's like, at the
• 45:08
  end of the day, even raptureready .com is like,
• 45:10
  hey, the whole purpose of this is for people
• 45:12
  to come to know Jesus. So like, the whole purpose
• 45:14
  of this conversation is to be silly and loose
• 45:17
  with some of these concepts, because at the end
• 45:20
  of the day, what happens after we choose to follow
• 45:24
  Jesus is up to Jesus. Yeah. So like, in that
• 45:30
  instance, It's not that we don't need to worry
• 45:33
  about it too much. It's just really important
• 45:36
  for us to study and understand so that we can
• 45:41
  know what position we should hold in turbulent
• 45:46
  times. Just trying not to say in tribulation.
• 45:50
  Nice. Yeah, I mean, it's something we've been
• 45:54
  saying on this a lot recently where it's like,
• 45:58
  well, where does it lead you to? Yeah. It's like,
• 46:01
  well, does your personal belief on what the rapture
• 46:04
  is and when or when it may not happen? Yeah.
• 46:08
  Does that lead you toward spreading the gospel
• 46:11
  of Christ and telling people about Jesus and,
• 46:13
  hey, just get ready for the end because it's
• 46:15
  coming up? Yeah. Or does it lead you to being
• 46:19
  like, yeah. You know what I mean? I do. Yeah,
• 46:23
  and it's like, yeah, does it lead you towards
• 46:25
  spreading the gospel or does it lead you toward
• 46:27
  not? Is the antithesis of that. Sure. And I think
• 46:32
  in some ways, regardless of whether you're right
• 46:35
  about it or not, that's a whole other discussion,
• 46:38
  but does believing in that particular thought,
• 46:40
  does it make you more likely to spread the gospel
• 46:43
  or not? Yeah, and we haven't even really gotten
• 46:45
  into the views at all, but I think one of the
• 46:47
  important things to say is there are views of
• 46:52
  the end times and The the theological word for
• 46:56
  it is eschatology or the eschaton looking to
• 46:59
  the eschaton And that's the end of times or the
• 47:03
  end of the age. It's it's that idea that like
• 47:06
  there are some views of eschatology that Just
• 47:11
  just in the same way and I didn't mean to bring
• 47:13
  this up at all but oops But here we go, but theological
• 47:19
  views like cessation ism where it's like basically
• 47:24
  after the death of the last apostle, the apostles
• 47:27
  of Jesus, or the disciples of Jesus who become
• 47:30
  the apostles of the church, after the death of
• 47:32
  the last one that God doesn't speak through people
• 47:35
  anymore or that the gifts of the spirit are not
• 47:38
  actively working through Christians. Like views
• 47:42
  like that are difficult because they can cause
• 47:48
  Christians to sit still. and not preach the gospel
• 47:53
  with boldness. Because that was the move, like
• 47:57
  the sin of not being fruitful and multiply, like
• 48:00
  we've talked about, the sin of not going out
• 48:04
  and being obedient to the Lord saying, go out
• 48:06
  and preach the gospel. If we don't do that, I
• 48:09
  keep saying the sin of it because when they didn't
• 48:12
  go out to be fruitful and multiply, what did
• 48:14
  they do? They gathered in the same area and they
• 48:17
  built a tower and tried to become God. Yes. And
• 48:20
  when they did that, God was like, no. You crazy?
• 48:24
  Yeah, like get out of here. How many times do
• 48:26
  I have to say this? Go be fruitful and multiply.
• 48:29
  Get out of here. And so like if we believe that
• 48:33
  the Spirit of God is not at work in us and through
• 48:35
  us, then the ability to speak the gospel with
• 48:39
  boldness by the Spirit, the way that the apostles
• 48:43
  did, then there's no reason for us to preach.
• 48:48
  to non -Christians at all. We would just be preaching
• 48:51
  internally to each other and then anyone that
• 48:54
  comes to know Christ is only out of Christ's
• 48:56
  work all by himself. And that can definitely
• 49:01
  happen, but that's not what we see in the book
• 49:05
  of Acts. Acts pushed out and saying go out and
• 49:09
  preach the gospel, proclaim the gospel. baptizing
• 49:13
  them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy
• 49:14
  Spirit, and then studying the word making disciples,
• 49:18
  Matthew 28, and that's Jesus. So even before
• 49:21
  we get to Acts. So yeah. You didn't have to go
• 49:23
  very far. No, no. Just right there, right before
• 49:27
  the next part. That's right. I mean, you have
• 49:34
  to go pretty far if you start at the beginning
• 49:35
  of Matthew. But if you're starting to actually
• 49:38
  just go backwards a little bit just a little
• 49:39
  just rewind well a couple books actually Unless
• 49:46
  you're going Matthew to axe which you could do
• 49:48
  don't recommend but yeah, you can do that. I
• 49:51
  think at least go from Luke to axe Yeah, same
• 49:55
  voice. Yeah, we're not talking about that right
• 49:57
  now. That's the whole other thing. The rapture.
• 50:01
  What is it? Where'd it come from? What is the
• 50:05
  rapture? What's the rapture? Who are all these
• 50:07
  naked people flying through the air? Don't look
• 50:10
  up! Don't look up! It's the day of the Lord's
• 50:14
  return! What are all these trumpet sounds? Could
• 50:20
  you imagine just being some guy like you're ready
• 50:22
  for bed. You're like, I'm so tired And then right
• 50:27
  outside your window is where the angel shows
• 50:30
  up you just see them on the bell of a trumpet
• 50:33
  just And then he peeks in he's like hey You offer
• 50:40
  the angels some water you need some water for
• 50:43
  this mariachi band about to start. Oh, thank
• 50:45
  you. Yeah Blows your eardrums out Imagine how
• 50:52
  loud that would have to be maybe loud. It's a
• 50:55
  different frequency. It doesn't matter It's the
• 51:00
  type of frequency that everybody can hear but
• 51:02
  no one's ears get destroyed yeah Or if they do
• 51:06
  maybe that's how we get our we our resurrection
• 51:09
  bodies begin with our ears There's like a 15
• 51:18
  minute waiting period, our ears are gone, and
• 51:20
  we're just walking around without ears. Like,
• 51:23
  I wish I could hear what you're saying. You can,
• 51:26
  you have heavenly ears. No, they're up there.
• 51:29
  Good point. You have to meet your ears in the
• 51:32
  clouds. You get to heaven like, hey, go pick
• 51:34
  out your ears, and then come on in. It's judgment
• 51:37
  time. So the rapture. It's judgment time. Pick
• 51:43
  out your ears. You have to hear the ruling Peter's
• 51:51
  like hey who didn't get this guy his ears come
• 51:55
  on wasting time here I Need order we don't have
• 52:02
  that many days come on This is this is gonna
• 52:06
  happen in a certain amount of time I'll make
• 52:11
  it easy that half Hey, wait a minute. This was
• 52:17
  predestined before the we don't need to do this.
• 52:19
  What are we doing? All right, we're snowballing.
• 52:22
  We're really going speaking of snowballing rapture
• 52:25
  So Thinking about like this is me having fun.
• 52:32
  Okay, this is me having fun. Okay, cuz everyone
• 52:34
  else has been having fun Okay, they got Nicholas
• 52:39
  cage involved so it's like I'm not even sure
• 52:43
  I know what you're talking about with Nicolas
• 52:44
  Cage. Oh cuz he was in the Left Behind The new
• 52:47
  remake they did of Left Behind series. I never
• 52:48
  even saw a commercial for that. Really? Commercial?
• 52:51
  Preview. Either way. I guess a preview is a commercial
• 52:55
  for him. Yeah he was in it so I could just keep
• 52:56
  talking about him. Okay. Are you sure that wasn't
• 52:59
  National Treasure? He's in that one too. Are
• 53:03
  they the same movie? No he plays like a pilot
• 53:04
  in the Left Behind movie. Sully? Could be I don't
• 53:09
  remember it lands a plane in the Hudson. I just
• 53:11
  remember he's there. Okay Yeah, I never actually
• 53:14
  finished it. Okay, so Nicholas good anyway. Yeah.
• 53:18
  Well enough with oh everybody else is having
• 53:20
  fun Yeah, let's have some fun. Have some fun.
• 53:22
  I've already brought my slug theory. I like that
• 53:26
  one but so looking at It's kind of like this
• 53:31
  idea of like okay. So what's happening? Like
• 53:33
  what are we getting ready for? Yeah. Yeah and
• 53:36
  It's like, yeah, so what should we be preparing
• 53:39
  for? And so it's interesting, Revelation 4, the
• 53:45
  starting of that, it talks about how there's
• 53:48
  a door that opens and he hears a voice that says,
• 53:50
  come on up, and then he goes into the throne
• 53:51
  room of God. And it's like, oh, well, are you
• 53:53
  pulling it up? Do you want me to? Yeah, actually,
• 53:55
  do that. It'd probably be cooler. It'd be fancy.
• 53:59
  Fancy? Dost thou even know? Oh, I have to read
• 54:03
  it. I can. You just didn't tell me when to stop.
• 54:06
  Yeah, that's true. All right. This is Revelation
• 54:09
  4, verse 1. King James. King James Version. The
• 54:14
  best version, some might say. Well, there's some
• 54:18
  passages in Daniel that translated are very different.
• 54:23
  That is true. Especially when it comes to end
• 54:26
  times thought. But yeah, and actually in a good
• 54:29
  way. But anyways, go ahead. King James is going
• 54:31
  to be there. I don't remember that in the Bible.
• 54:34
  It's very specific. And then you looked over
• 54:35
  and there's King James. Anyways. Wow. Verse four.
• 54:40
  What the? We go back. John's like, King James.
• 54:46
  What are you doing here? Wait, how do I know
• 54:48
  who you are? How do you know this? It's a weird
• 54:50
  prophecy. All right, go ahead. OK. After this
• 54:55
  I looked and behold a door was opened in heaven
• 54:58
  and the first voice which I heard was as It were
• 55:03
  of a trumpet talking with me Which said come
• 55:06
  up hither and I will shoe thee things which must
• 55:10
  be hereafter Wow, why did I say yes? Did not
• 55:16
  see that I did not see the shoe coming You can
• 55:22
  change it. Do they not have the word show? They're
• 55:26
  like, sorry, all these shoes here. Henceforth.
• 55:32
  Henceforth, hereafter. But yeah, so it was just
• 55:35
  that verse, actually. OK. But so what's interesting
• 55:37
  about that is, so it says a door was opened,
• 55:41
  and then he walks through, and he's in heaven.
• 55:44
  It's a door that leads to heaven. So isn't that
• 55:46
  a portal? Interesting. Or is it Jesus? He is
• 55:55
  the door. He is the door. So it's like, yeah,
• 56:01
  so thinking about this is like, OK, so what is
• 56:03
  it? What could it look like? Let me just say
• 56:04
  it that way. Yeah. It's like, well, maybe we're
• 56:07
  all walking through portals. Here's the other
• 56:09
  thing. Like in the ESV, I don't remember if it
• 56:12
  said this in the King James, but the pronunciation.
• 56:17
  What am I talking about? There's an exclamation
• 56:19
  point. Oh, so it says after this I looked and
• 56:21
  behold a door standing open in heaven Like he
• 56:25
  exclaims like whoa. Yeah After this I looked
• 56:28
  and behold a door standing open in heaven. That's
• 56:32
  how he says it Like he's really like, oh my he's
• 56:37
  proclaiming it that's actually kind of cool.
• 56:38
  Yeah And the first voice which I had heard speaking
• 56:42
  to me like a trumpet said come up here And I
• 56:44
  will show you what must take place after this
• 56:46
  which kind of just makes you think of like a
• 56:48
  peanuts movie Yeah Yes, ma 'am Yeah true So portal
• 56:58
  so it's kind of interesting right it is and it's
• 57:00
  like oh wait, so There really is like it it feels
• 57:04
  like instead of this This weird moment that we
• 57:09
  see it's like does It's kind of like is heaven
• 57:12
  and earth colliding with one another during this
• 57:14
  rapture moment Where we have this kind of this
• 57:18
  breaking between these worlds and suddenly it's
• 57:20
  like we're taken up into there It's like maybe
• 57:23
  yeah, you know what it means. It's like here's
• 57:26
  this very cosmic Interdimensional world that
• 57:30
  that takes place. Yes, and it's like and it's
• 57:33
  this kind of like breaking between those two
• 57:34
  things I see what you're saying Well, cuz then
• 57:37
  the next verse says at once I was in the spirit
• 57:40
  and behold a throne stood in heaven with one
• 57:42
  seated on the throne Yeah, so he looks up proclaims
• 57:46
  a door is standing open in heaven. Yeah, and
• 57:50
  The one with a voice like a trumpet which is
• 57:53
  interesting when you when you when we look at
• 57:55
  like then the trumpet sounds yes Is that a position?
• 58:00
  Is that a being that has a voice like a trumpet
• 58:02
  proclaiming that Jesus is returning? It's not
• 58:05
  actually a trumpet, but instead it's a being
• 58:08
  that is a proclamer. It's kind of interesting
• 58:12
  because even if you want to pull up first Thessalonians
• 58:15
  416. I would love to. It's great. Because this
• 58:21
  is one that gets attributed to this kind of rapture
• 58:26
  moment. I'll leave it in ESV. Thank you. God
• 58:29
  bless. So it says, for the Lord himself will
• 58:33
  descend from heaven with a cry of command, with
• 58:35
  the voice of an archangel, and with the sound
• 58:38
  of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ
• 58:41
  will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are
• 58:45
  left, will be caught up together with them in
• 58:47
  the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so
• 58:50
  we will always be with the Lord, therefore encourage
• 58:53
  one another with these words. So it's like, oh,
• 58:57
  well, that's kind of interesting. It seems like
• 58:59
  an echo here right of Revelation. Yeah. Yeah
• 59:03
  Well, and then you go to So go from that I mean,
• 59:09
  yeah even looking at that himself descended from
• 59:11
  heaven with a cry of command and With the sound
• 59:13
  of the trumpet and the dead in Christ will rise
• 59:16
  first. Yes. So what does that mean? It means
• 59:18
  those who believed in Jesus who were dead. Yes
• 59:22
  will rise first. Yes Has that happened before
• 59:26
  this point? It has. When? Well, I guess in some
• 59:32
  ways it happens and that's when we go back to
• 59:35
  the resurrection of Christ. Yes. Where we see
• 59:39
  dead saints coming out of their graves. Yeah,
• 59:41
  they said up to 500. Yeah dead saints that were
• 59:44
  walking around which is kind of like a wild little
• 59:47
  aside that but arguably that they just kind of
• 59:49
  throw in the gospel I know and you're like, yeah,
• 59:51
  and then this is like wait, hold on Well, the
• 59:53
  another thing that we don't think about often
• 59:55
  enough is that Jesus is teaching 40 days I just
• 59:59
  about to say that yeah after his resurrection.
• 1:00:01
  Yeah, so we often think about like the time between
• 1:00:04
  the the Resurrection and the day of Pentecost.
• 1:00:08
  Yeah as being 50 days. Yes, it's not because
• 1:00:12
  Passover to Pentecost is 50 days. But Jesus doesn't
• 1:00:18
  raise on Passover. He's killed technically the
• 1:00:25
  day after. But then he raises to life, and that's
• 1:00:30
  a whole other podcast, whether it's two or three
• 1:00:33
  days, depending on how you look at the Jewish
• 1:00:36
  Sabbath. But then, He stays and teaches for 40
• 1:00:42
  days. Yes in a resurrected body. Yeah first among
• 1:00:46
  the dead, which is kind of wild Yeah, but also
• 1:00:49
  first among the dead. Mm -hmm But there were
• 1:00:53
  immediately other dead. Yes, which is interesting.
• 1:00:56
  It's interesting Yeah, and I think that's what's
• 1:00:59
  kind of funny when I when I noticed that was
• 1:01:02
  in my head It was always like Jesus raised from
• 1:01:05
  the dead. He goes to his disciples like hey,
• 1:01:07
  what's up? He's like check me out. I'm gonna
• 1:01:09
  go up in these clouds right and then I don't
• 1:01:11
  have to say it like a youth pastor, but So it's
• 1:01:16
  like all those things happen like right then
• 1:01:18
  and there Yeah, and ever and all the disciples
• 1:01:20
  like you just have to believe me like he was
• 1:01:22
  here sure, but you know He's alive trust me.
• 1:01:25
  It's like no he was actually out and about yes,
• 1:01:27
  like continuing his ministry Yeah, and it's like
• 1:01:30
  oh, that's actually way more significant. I mean
• 1:01:32
  he was breaking Science scientific laws. Yeah.
• 1:01:39
  Yeah Because he would just walk through a wall
• 1:01:42
  Well, there's we can talk about that, but then
• 1:01:45
  he would sit down and like talk Yeah, so it's
• 1:01:50
  like and then you could touch his hands, right?
• 1:01:53
  So it's like okay. He's just manipulating matter
• 1:01:57
  Yeah. Which he created it so he can do that.
• 1:02:00
  He can do what he wants with it. He can do whatever
• 1:02:01
  he wants to. It's my matter. But this is interesting
• 1:02:05
  because if you if you just read it for what it
• 1:02:07
  says. Yes. It says, and the dead in Christ will
• 1:02:11
  rise first. OK, so those who believes in Christ
• 1:02:15
  will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are
• 1:02:22
  left. will be caught up together with them in
• 1:02:25
  the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. So, but
• 1:02:29
  it says that we will be caught up together with
• 1:02:32
  them. Yes. So the dead in Christ will rise first,
• 1:02:36
  but then the living will be raised at the same
• 1:02:40
  time. Yeah, but somehow they were first. Somehow
• 1:02:43
  they were first. They needed to come up a little
• 1:02:45
  bit. Well, it's because, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I
• 1:02:49
  mean they have a lot of dirt on them. Yeah, it's
• 1:02:51
  like, you gotta clean that off. But that is interesting
• 1:02:54
  though. So if you read it directly like that,
• 1:02:57
  it's interesting that layout, especially when
• 1:03:00
  you look to, am I jumping ahead of you? No, do
• 1:03:03
  it. If you look at Revelation 20, it says, this
• 1:03:14
  is where it gets crazy. And maybe this is jumping
• 1:03:17
  too quickly into this but The Let me just read
• 1:03:24
  the whole thing. Yeah, so Revelation 20 verse
• 1:03:27
  1 then I saw an angel coming down from heaven
• 1:03:29
  holding in his hand the key to the bottomless
• 1:03:32
  pit and a great chain and He seized the dragon
• 1:03:36
  the ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan
• 1:03:39
  bound him for a thousand years and threw him
• 1:03:43
  into the pit and shut it and sealed it over him
• 1:03:46
  so that he might not deceive the nations any
• 1:03:49
  longer until the thousand years were ended after
• 1:03:52
  that he must be released for a little while what
• 1:03:57
  it's like this big epic thing and it's like well
• 1:04:01
  after that he's gonna be released he must be
• 1:04:04
  released just a little while a little bit he's
• 1:04:06
  gotta be released for a little while Come on
• 1:04:09
  guys, then I saw I just talked into the divine
• 1:04:13
  council for a minute Verse four then then I saw
• 1:04:20
  thrones and seated on them were those to whom
• 1:04:24
  the authority to judge was committed Also, I
• 1:04:27
  saw the souls of those who had been beheaded
• 1:04:30
  for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of
• 1:04:34
  God interesting that he says the ones who had
• 1:04:38
  been beheaded. Did he know that that's how they
• 1:04:42
  died? Or is the evidence of their beheading in
• 1:04:47
  his view? Are they without heads, is what I'm
• 1:04:51
  asking. It's fair. Well, I mean, when we look
• 1:04:54
  at John the Revelator, he lived to the ripe age
• 1:04:57
  of 90 or so. Right. And so at that point, a lot
• 1:05:01
  of these people... probably would maybe have
• 1:05:03
  recognized yes he's like oh i actually saw these
• 1:05:06
  people get beheaded yeah it's another way of
• 1:05:08
  saying like the martyrs yes yeah yeah he would
• 1:05:11
  he would have knowledge of a lot of this yeah
• 1:05:13
  so he's saying had been beheaded for the testimony
• 1:05:15
  of jesus and for the word of god and those who
• 1:05:18
  had not worshiped the beast or its image and
• 1:05:21
  had not received its mark on their foreheads
• 1:05:23
  or their hands they came to life reigned with
• 1:05:27
  Christ for a thousand years so what he's saying
• 1:05:30
  here is the martyrs come back to life and they
• 1:05:34
  reign with Christ for a thousand years the rest
• 1:05:37
  of the dead will dead did not come to life until
• 1:05:41
  the thousand years were ended so then when you
• 1:05:44
  look back at Thessalonians it's like the dead
• 1:05:45
  in Christ will rise first then we will be caught
• 1:05:47
  up in the air after them yeah if you read that
• 1:05:50
  in light of Revelation 20 then you go all right
• 1:05:53
  well Christ has to come with the martyrs who
• 1:05:58
  will reign for a thousand years before the dead
• 1:06:02
  in Christ rise and the believers who are alive
• 1:06:09
  at the time raised and caught up in the air with
• 1:06:11
  him. If that's the timeline. So the rest of the
• 1:06:16
  dead did not come to life until the thousand
• 1:06:18
  years were ended. This is the first resurrection.
• 1:06:22
  So that's the whole thing is like Okay, the first
• 1:06:25
  resurrection is not speaking of those who came
• 1:06:31
  to life after, but instead the martyrs. Yes.
• 1:06:34
  So the first resurrection is the martyrs with
• 1:06:38
  Christ, which is interesting. Yeah. And then
• 1:06:42
  it said, blessed and holy is the one who shares
• 1:06:45
  in the first resurrection. Over such the second
• 1:06:49
  death has no power. But they will be priests
• 1:06:52
  of God and of Christ and they will reign with
• 1:06:55
  him for a thousand years Hmm pretty interesting.
• 1:06:58
  That's very interesting. Yeah, it's fascinating
• 1:07:01
  stuff. It is So that's what the Bible says. Yeah,
• 1:07:06
  and we're not really making any statement about
• 1:07:08
  it at all but one of the things I That is interesting
• 1:07:15
  is and one of these we haven't read which If
• 1:07:21
  you want to look at this Matthew 24. Oh Yeah,
• 1:07:24
  yeah, so Matthew 24 signs at the end of the age.
• 1:07:28
  Mm -hmm There's this the coming of the Son of
• 1:07:33
  Man It says immediately after the tribulation
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  of those days The Sun will be darkened and the
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  moon will not give its light and the stars will
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  fall from heaven. This is really paralleling
• 1:07:44
  Daniel. Yes And the stars will fall from heaven
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  and the powers of the heavens will be shaken
• 1:07:50
  Then will appear in heaven the sign of the son
• 1:07:53
  of man and then all the tribes of the earth will
• 1:07:55
  mourn and they will see the son of man coming
• 1:07:58
  on the clouds of heaven with power and great
• 1:08:01
  glory and he will send out his angels with a
• 1:08:04
  loud trumpet call and they will gather his elect
• 1:08:07
  from the four winds from one end of heaven to
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  the other. So like you get this piece here where
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  the elect are Raised up all over the earth. Yeah
• 1:08:22
  and This is the same passage where as he keeps
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  going He goes to the lesson of the fig from the
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  fig tree keeps going in Matthew 24 Learn his
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  lesson as soon as its branch becomes tender and
• 1:08:36
  puts out its leaves, you know that summer is
• 1:08:38
  near So also when you see all these things, you
• 1:08:41
  know that he is near at the very gates door open
• 1:08:45
  in heaven truly I say to you this generation
• 1:08:47
  will not pass away until all these things take
• 1:08:50
  place heaven and earth will pass away but my
• 1:08:52
  words will not pass away so something that's
• 1:08:55
  interesting is like which of course he's referring
• 1:08:59
  to rapture ready calm I love it well one of the
• 1:09:07
  things that's interesting about that is what
• 1:09:11
  Like, okay, so the elect are lifted up. But who
• 1:09:17
  are the elect and when are the elect? That's
• 1:09:20
  one of those things that, like, you read Thessalonians,
• 1:09:22
  you read Revelation, you read Matthew 24, the
• 1:09:25
  words of Jesus, and then you go back, and we
• 1:09:28
  haven't even read out of Daniel, but you get
• 1:09:31
  all of these pieces, and you're like, all right,
• 1:09:32
  well, who are the elect? When and where are who
• 1:09:35
  being taken up? Before who yeah, yeah, and one
• 1:09:39
  of the boys that's also confusing which you brought
• 1:09:41
  out is like it says Taken up first, but then
• 1:09:44
  we're taking up together Yes, it's like wait.
• 1:09:46
  How can you be first and together, right? Yeah,
• 1:09:50
  right and blessed are those who are part of the
• 1:09:53
  first resurrection. Yeah Yeah, we're like, oh,
• 1:09:57
  yeah, you left first, but we left together Yeah
• 1:10:00
  I was like, okay, I can see maybe you're a little
• 1:10:02
  bit ahead of me. We left at the same time. Yeah.
• 1:10:06
  It's fun to talk about all of this stuff, because
• 1:10:08
  really the goal of what we're talking about is
• 1:10:10
  not to go, here's what you should believe. Right.
• 1:10:14
  We're kind of going, hey, all of this stuff is
• 1:10:16
  in here. Yes. There's a whole lot in here. To
• 1:10:19
  be honest, if anybody goes, this is exactly how
• 1:10:22
  it goes, then what I would recommend is read
• 1:10:26
  it. and go, maybe that is exactly how it goes.
• 1:10:31
  And to be honest, I can just trust what my pastor
• 1:10:34
  says if it pushes me towards sharing the gospel.
• 1:10:38
  But there's also a lot to read and to study,
• 1:10:42
  and it's fun. It's so much fun. And we're not
• 1:10:46
  really trying to create a doctrine or place something.
• 1:10:49
  No. here we're just kind of talking about all
• 1:10:52
  the fun stuff in the Bible and even like even
• 1:10:54
  the things that I've said so far yeah where I'm
• 1:10:56
  like oh what about this it's like I'm just kind
• 1:10:58
  of making these up yeah I'm I'm essentially what
• 1:11:01
  I'm trying to do is by example of like yeah I
• 1:11:04
  can pull these pieces of scripture be like oh
• 1:11:06
  isn't that interesting that's fascinating right
• 1:11:07
  yeah so yeah maybe right exactly I don't believe
• 1:11:11
  my own my own words yeah it's like it could be
• 1:11:14
  that but I also think one of the things that's
• 1:11:17
  interesting here when we look at it The thing
• 1:11:19
  that's tough is like with certain rapture theology
• 1:11:24
  kind of coming off of like dispensationalism,
• 1:11:28
  premillennialism, which again we haven't even
• 1:11:30
  talked about yet. So we're gonna have to dig
• 1:11:32
  into the historical stuff on another episode.
• 1:11:35
  But the thing that's kind of funny about it is
• 1:11:39
  like if the church is gonna get raptured out
• 1:11:41
  before the tribulation, but then Jesus in Matthew
• 1:11:44
  24 is saying that all of this stuff is going
• 1:11:47
  to happen before This generation fades away and
• 1:11:54
  then we know all of the events That take place
• 1:11:57
  with the abomination of desolation. Yeah, we
• 1:12:00
  see zealots that are trapped in the temple in
• 1:12:03
  70 AD and Titus comes through and slaughters
• 1:12:08
  them in the temple and makes the temple desolate
• 1:12:11
  and then is that the abomination of desolation
• 1:12:14
  or do we go back to Daniel and we go well hang
• 1:12:20
  on technically once Jesus dies on the cross then
• 1:12:25
  there are no more sacrifices because the law
• 1:12:29
  and the prophets have been fulfilled yeah so
• 1:12:32
  then any sacrifice done in the temple is potentially
• 1:12:35
  an abomination so then you look at it that way
• 1:12:38
  and you're like well wait a minute any sacrifices
• 1:12:41
  any sacrifices so then you go is the abomination
• 1:12:44
  of desolation what's happening in 70 A .D. when
• 1:12:49
  Titus comes in and slaughters the Jewish people.
• 1:12:53
  And then without intent, not trying to burn the
• 1:12:57
  temple down, it catches fire. And then the temple
• 1:12:59
  gets burned down and then Jerusalem is siege.
• 1:13:02
  And you have this moment, you go, is that the
• 1:13:04
  abomination of desolation? Well, it looks like
• 1:13:06
  it. But also from Daniel's viewpoint, you kind
• 1:13:09
  of go, well, technically any sacrifice after
• 1:13:12
  Jesus's death and resurrection. is an abomination
• 1:13:16
  to what Jesus did on the cross. And the temple
• 1:13:22
  now is the individuals where the Holy Spirit
• 1:13:25
  is dwelling. So what exactly is going on here?
• 1:13:31
  But then you have this piece where you go, okay,
• 1:13:36
  how is it fair that the martyrs of Jesus, those
• 1:13:41
  that walked with him, the disciples, the early
• 1:13:44
  church, have to suffer a great tribulation in
• 1:13:51
  the first and second century, but the church
• 1:13:54
  doesn't have to. You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 1:13:58
  Like, we just kind of get to live, like, cushy
• 1:14:01
  American lives. And it is. And then we're just
• 1:14:03
  like, oh, no, it's getting bad. Get taken up.
• 1:14:06
  Take me. Now I'm naked in the air. It's like,
• 1:14:09
  you know what I mean? Well, it is kind of funny.
• 1:14:11
  Don't look up. But then it's like, consider the
• 1:14:16
  martyrs. No, it's true. We're like, oh, sucks
• 1:14:18
  for you guys. I know. I'm getting heated out,
• 1:14:21
  as I said last time. I mean, and that kind of
• 1:14:26
  goes back to martyrs row itself. It's like honoring
• 1:14:29
  those that came before us who suffered great
• 1:14:32
  tribulation. Yeah. And Jesus said that's just
• 1:14:35
  the beginning of the birth pains. And it's like
• 1:14:39
  when you see all these things take place, that's
• 1:14:41
  the beginning. Yeah. And and what what and like
• 1:14:45
  we mentioned before it's like the beginning of
• 1:14:47
  what it's the beginning of birth pangs. It's
• 1:14:50
  it's Giving way to new life. It's it's birth
• 1:14:54
  happening. Yeah, and when a mother is giving
• 1:14:56
  birth It is a brutal thing But on the other side
• 1:15:02
  of it is new life. Yeah, and so what is happening
• 1:15:06
  as the end times or as the as the day is drawing
• 1:15:09
  near, it's getting worse and worse and worse.
• 1:15:12
  And it's it's coming to a climax. And eventually
• 1:15:14
  it will all end with new life. Yeah. Which is
• 1:15:19
  beautiful. It is. And that's the expression.
• 1:15:21
  That's the that's the image that Jesus gives
• 1:15:24
  us. But it is funny to be like, yeah, forget
• 1:15:28
  about the martyrs and the great tribulation of
• 1:15:31
  the second, third, fourth, like all of the centuries.
• 1:15:36
  After the resurrection of Jesus like that's not
• 1:15:40
  tribulation. Yeah, that's not revelation tribulation.
• 1:15:43
  It's like well Consider that John didn't die
• 1:15:47
  until around You know, maybe a hundred AD I guess
• 1:15:51
  somewhere in there Yeah, and so he dies around
• 1:15:54
  that time how much okay, but also that guy Was
• 1:15:58
  stranded on an island after they tried to boil
• 1:16:01
  him alive. He yeah, he didn't die after he was
• 1:16:03
  boiled alive You're talking about like persevering
• 1:16:06
  to the end. Yeah tribulation Massively honestly
• 1:16:10
  John died at the worst. Yeah, the other ones
• 1:16:13
  got to die Yeah, so like yeah, that's the whole
• 1:16:17
  and maybe John had a Maybe John was an indie
• 1:16:21
  as well Yeah, see previous episodes But yeah,
• 1:16:27
  I just thought that that was it I always feel
• 1:16:29
  like that's an interesting point when you get
• 1:16:31
  into different eschatologies is like, consider
• 1:16:34
  the tribulation of the early church. And why
• 1:16:38
  do we get to just sit on our couches and then
• 1:16:43
  our clothes get folded? I mean, would be great.
• 1:16:49
  And maybe that is how it happens. I wouldn't
• 1:16:50
  say no, but... And again, maybe that is how it
• 1:16:53
  happens. Yeah, and I think that's one where...
• 1:16:57
  This is actually a lesson that the Lord's been
• 1:16:58
  teaching me personally a lot lately too, is like...
• 1:17:01
  I don't know if I want to hear that. I'm not
• 1:17:03
  here for that stuff. That sounds a little bit...
• 1:17:05
  No, no, no, tell me. No, I know. I was going
• 1:17:08
  to say it anyway. But it's like, it's kind of
• 1:17:11
  the same, I think, importance in this. It's like...
• 1:17:15
  Okay, how tightly are you holding on to this
• 1:17:17
  idea, which is something you said earlier? Yeah,
• 1:17:19
  it's like, okay So if you're holding on to this
• 1:17:21
  idea, like i'm gonna be raptured out before the
• 1:17:24
  tribulation before life really sucks Yeah, and
• 1:17:26
  then it doesn't happen. Yeah, it's like Well,
• 1:17:29
  what does that do to your faith? Right, you know
• 1:17:31
  what I mean? It's like asking that genuinely.
• 1:17:33
  It's like you're fully convicted of that, but
• 1:17:35
  it doesn't happen Right. Are you going to say
• 1:17:38
  wow? I've messed that up or you're gonna be mad
• 1:17:41
  at god because now your life It's not great.
• 1:17:43
  Yeah. Or do you open your hand up and say, yeah,
• 1:17:47
  I actually believed that, but I was wrong. So
• 1:17:49
  I guess I was wrong. Yeah. And that's a great
• 1:17:53
  point. Honestly, that parallels to every doctrine
• 1:17:56
  that I feel like is damaging. Yes. You can take
• 1:18:00
  that even into things like the healing movement.
• 1:18:03
  Yeah. And things like, well, I didn't get healed
• 1:18:05
  because I didn't have enough faith. Well, no.
• 1:18:10
  Like if if that's if that's what's happening
• 1:18:12
  then like maybe in that moment that that was
• 1:18:16
  true I'm not i'm not god. Yeah, I just Where
• 1:18:20
  where I see? Where faith where great faith needed
• 1:18:25
  to be a witness it was Where a person didn't
• 1:18:28
  need to have faith to get healed because it was
• 1:18:30
  for the glory of jesus and for the gospel to
• 1:18:33
  be proclaimed It was it wherever god decides
• 1:18:38
  to reveal his glory, it is. However he decides
• 1:18:43
  to do that, he's going to do that. And again,
• 1:18:47
  if your doctrines or your viewpoints are about
• 1:18:51
  what's the best outcome for me and how I want
• 1:18:54
  to live, then that's not the gospel. And it's
• 1:18:58
  simply not the gospel because it's not centered
• 1:18:59
  on Jesus, it's centered on you. Yeah, it's about
• 1:19:02
  your comfort. Yeah. Whether the doctrine is correct
• 1:19:05
  or not, if the reason why you preach it is to
• 1:19:09
  declare that we can all just have we're the main
• 1:19:12
  characters and we can do whatever we want yeah
• 1:19:15
  and everything's gonna be perfect for us that's
• 1:19:17
  why we should follow Jesus that's let me clarify
• 1:19:21
  perfect for us now on the earth and through eternity
• 1:19:26
  yeah and like we're gonna get to ride first class
• 1:19:30
  on the airplane it's like that's a little bit
• 1:19:33
  of what left behind feels like yeah yeah like
• 1:19:35
  we get to go first class yeah so might as well
• 1:19:38
  do it now too on the earth I forget about those
• 1:19:42
  early church martyrs we get the cushy seats yeah
• 1:19:45
  I mean back in the day when people were really
• 1:19:48
  going heavy on the the end is happening you know
• 1:19:51
  tomorrow yeah there was there's a lot of damage
• 1:19:54
  that came through that because There was a pastor
• 1:19:57
  who was preaching, hey, rack up the credit card
• 1:20:00
  bill, leave it to the antichrist. And it's like,
• 1:20:04
  yeah, you know what that caused? That caused
• 1:20:05
  crippling debt for a lot of people. 100%. And
• 1:20:08
  it's like, that's not God. Well, even in the
• 1:20:11
  modern Pentecostal movement, there was early
• 1:20:15
  assemblies of God, all of that really, really
• 1:20:18
  pushed, sell everything you have and go out on
• 1:20:21
  the mission field because Jesus is coming back
• 1:20:23
  right now. people were on the mission field for
• 1:20:27
  a year, two years, three years, four years, five
• 1:20:29
  years, realize, I'm not called to full -time
• 1:20:32
  missions work. They go home and they have nothing.
• 1:20:35
  And then they walk away from the faith. They
• 1:20:38
  don't go to church anymore. It's like, okay,
• 1:20:41
  guys, we have to balance this. We have to think
• 1:20:45
  about guys like the early church fathers. Let's
• 1:20:48
  sit in disciplines, study scripture, but then
• 1:20:53
  do something with it also. Instead of just going
• 1:20:56
  like well the house is on fire Paul and I have
• 1:21:03
  different reactions Paul's like all right I'm
• 1:21:11
  ready, baby But I just feel like you know I think
• 1:21:15
  that's one of those things where again if if
• 1:21:18
  what you're preaching is about the best outcome
• 1:21:20
  for you then that's inherently just not the gospel
• 1:21:25
  because it's not about Jesus. Yes. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:21:29
  And in coming back to this, which it might be
• 1:21:33
  annoying at this point to hear me reference this
• 1:21:35
  verse over and over again. Amos. that's the one
• 1:21:38
  but i mean that's exactly what we're talking
• 1:21:40
  about yeah and it's like he got it right once
• 1:21:43
  might as well keep getting it right i mean the
• 1:21:44
  man what do you let the man win he's they call
• 1:21:47
  him a minor prophet but he's got some absolute
• 1:21:51
  bars but it's the classic you know woe to you
• 1:21:54
  who long for the day of the lord yes because
• 1:21:57
  don't you know it is not joy but it is suffering
• 1:21:59
  it's darkness exactly and his point in that as
• 1:22:02
  i'm sure you guys are like we know But to say
• 1:22:06
  it again. This is my first episode, I don't know
• 1:22:08
  what you're talking about. I don't, why are you
• 1:22:09
  yelling at me? I'm listening for my best in your
• 1:22:13
  head. I'm trying to follow all your rabbit trails,
• 1:22:17
  Paul. I'm just trying to listen to what you're
• 1:22:18
  saying. Why are you yelling at me? Are we going
• 1:22:20
  to grow up to be slugs? I'm just waiting for
• 1:22:24
  Charlie the Slag to come pick me up. Don't bring
• 1:22:29
  your salt with you. No, but you're right. But
• 1:22:32
  it's that idea of like... what he's calling out
• 1:22:35
  is Israel who's saying, oh, the day of the Lord's
• 1:22:38
  gonna come. He's gonna save us and vanquish all
• 1:22:41
  of our enemies, all the people we don't like.
• 1:22:43
  And he's like, have you looked at yourselves?
• 1:22:46
  You're not right with God either. Does she know
• 1:22:48
  he's also coming to judge you? And are you right
• 1:22:52
  with him? Because I think that's the other thing
• 1:22:54
  when we look at even this idea of being rapture
• 1:22:56
  ready or ready to go into heaven. It's like,
• 1:23:01
  yeah, don't you know we're also gonna be judged?
• 1:23:04
  It's not like, hey, you guys are cool. The other
• 1:23:06
  guys, let's talk about your life. It's like,
• 1:23:08
  no, he's talking about ours, too. Well, that's
• 1:23:10
  where I was. The difference is Jesus with that.
• 1:23:12
  But it's like, are you in Christ? But that's
• 1:23:14
  why I always heard people be like, well, yeah,
• 1:23:16
  but the Christians are going to judge the angels.
• 1:23:18
  What about that, Paul? After. Yeah, that doesn't
• 1:23:22
  mean we're exempt from judgment. It's not like,
• 1:23:24
  hey, guys, skip that line. Also, we're let's
• 1:23:27
  go judge these guys. Also, we're not judging
• 1:23:30
  all of the angels No, that's a very specific
• 1:23:33
  direct passage about something that most people
• 1:23:35
  that preach that don't actually believe Yes,
• 1:23:38
  which is really funny. It's like I'm not walking
• 1:23:40
  like hey Michael, let's talk Yeah, we're judging
• 1:23:48
  yeah, we're judging we're judging the we're not
• 1:23:53
  judging all the angels and it's very specific
• 1:23:56
  angels and we won't get into that because that
• 1:23:59
  is definitely a whole another episode that we
• 1:24:02
  haven't quite gotten to. Although we've mentioned
• 1:24:04
  a couple pieces of it, but that's a very specific
• 1:24:07
  reference to something. So yeah, I feel like
• 1:24:11
  the main thing we need to really think about
• 1:24:13
  and the main thing that we need to do is consider
• 1:24:17
  the words of Amos. In the same way that when
• 1:24:22
  we read Revelation, we should consider the words
• 1:24:24
  of Daniel. Yes. And we should look at all of
• 1:24:27
  these pieces together. What does Jesus say about
• 1:24:29
  it? What is written about it in the letters of
• 1:24:33
  Paul? How is this congruent all the way through?
• 1:24:40
  Because the idea that... all of the pieces are
• 1:24:44
  speaking towards the same things and the same
• 1:24:47
  events and the same main character, Jesus, that
• 1:24:51
  if everything centers off of that and we bring
• 1:24:54
  this back into how does this relate to Jesus,
• 1:24:57
  I think as a center point to what is the story
• 1:25:00
  actually saying, if we go, well, what does this
• 1:25:03
  mean for Jesus? What does this mean for the fulfillment
• 1:25:07
  of prophecy? Again, fulfillment of prophecy is
• 1:25:11
  just, this is what Jesus is about to do. So as
• 1:25:14
  we start reading it that way, it's like, all
• 1:25:17
  right, well, we can look at all of these different
• 1:25:19
  ways that we could interpret the end times and
• 1:25:23
  what will happen. And really all we're talking
• 1:25:27
  about is not even necessarily what happens after
• 1:25:30
  we die. What we're talking about is what happens
• 1:25:34
  if the end comes and we're still alive. is something
• 1:25:39
  to consider, because we're having a lot of discussions,
• 1:25:43
  arguments, separation of denominations, over
• 1:25:47
  actually just this small moment that's a glimpse
• 1:25:51
  of time throughout the ages. Which is just like,
• 1:25:56
  there's just a moment where for some reason one
• 1:25:58
  generation will experience this, all of a sudden
• 1:26:03
  the clock stops. In a twinkling of an eye. Yeah.
• 1:26:08
  Okay, so then do we need to spend this much time
• 1:26:11
  talking about that moment? Or should we spend
• 1:26:13
  more time talking about what happens after death?
• 1:26:18
  Like in reality, we should probably spend more
• 1:26:20
  time talking about that. Yes, I agree. You know
• 1:26:24
  what I mean? I agree. And I think that's bringing
• 1:26:25
  it into light, which I think is the main point
• 1:26:28
  of our discussions. Yeah. is going like, okay,
• 1:26:32
  what are all the discussions about rapture? What
• 1:26:33
  are all the discussions about end times? What
• 1:26:35
  are all the discussion about eschatology? This
• 1:26:38
  moment where we have all this worry and separation
• 1:26:42
  and why don't you believe that in the moment
• 1:26:46
  everybody's gonna be naked in the air? It's like,
• 1:26:49
  okay, but that's only really gonna matter for
• 1:26:52
  one generation. And if we live according to the
• 1:26:56
  gospel so that when our bodies give out, And
• 1:27:01
  physically we die. If we are ready for that to
• 1:27:06
  happen, then we are rapture ready. Yes. So at
• 1:27:10
  the end of the day, the urgency is not on the
• 1:27:14
  moment when the trumpet sounds. It's on the moment
• 1:27:18
  when after we die. Yes. Right? Yes. So like we
• 1:27:24
  always say like, come Lord Jesus, come quickly.
• 1:27:27
  Really what we're saying is Don't want to die.
• 1:27:29
  I want to just be taken up like Elijah. Yeah,
• 1:27:32
  or taking up like Enoch. Yeah, you know, I mean,
• 1:27:34
  yeah, and it's like Okay, but like are you like
• 1:27:38
  Elijah or is that gonna happen to you? But if
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  that's what you want then should you be living
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  more like Elijah? Yeah, and I think the answer
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  is yes. Absolutely Like should you be living
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  more like Enoch? It's like yeah probably if that's
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  if that's what you want then maybe Consider the
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  martyrs Yeah, I mean Not to be like too offensive
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  with Please offend me. I'm gonna not offending
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  you Maybe I don't know but it's like looking
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  at just Christians those those that call themselves
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  Christians Yeah, because we can call ourselves
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  whatever we want. I do it every day. It's true
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  No on the Christian front When I have the chance
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  But yeah, I mean, you're right. It's like when
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  we look through history, we look through scripture,
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  scripture especially, that's the only time we
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  see it. It's like, okay, there's two people that
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  didn't die. It's like, Jesus himself even died.
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  He was raised back. But there was only two people
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  that ever experienced death. It was Enoch and
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  Elijah. And both of them were renowned. What's
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  that? Start with E. They do start with E. We
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  figured it out. Never mind, we got it. Got to
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  change my name real quick. We figured out the
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  formula. I'll be right back. Or will I? Don't
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  look up. But you know what I mean? It's like,
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  OK, they're known for what it says about Enoch.
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  Enoch walked with God and then he was no more.
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  Yes. We know this life of Elijah. Yes, there
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  were definitely troubling times. Right. But he
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  was a faithful prophet. in as much as what he
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  did for that. It's like, there were still those
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  moments, but his heart was always to let me serve
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  the Lord. And so, yeah, and everything they did,
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  that was their aim. Can we say that about ourselves?
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  I mean, even, let's look at Elijah, just going
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  with him, it's like, he was up against hundreds
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  of prophets of Baal. And he's like. I got this.
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  Right. It's really God's got this. Right. But
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  it's like, yeah, everyone wanted to kill him.
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  Right. And yet he still goes there and proclaims
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  the goodness of God. Right. And turns many hearts
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  toward the Lord again. Yeah. And it's like, that's
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  pretty awesome. Yeah. But I'm too afraid to show
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  up on a Sunday morning because someone might
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  be mean to me. Oh. You know what I mean? Yeah.
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  And I don't say that to discount. what anyone's
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  been through in their experiences. I didn't even
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  mean to say, oof, that was a reaction. Yeah.
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  But I mean, it's like, oh, I mean, that's one
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  example. And I don't say this in a way to discount
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  what someone's been through. Right. But it's
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  like, but OK, but look at Elijah and what he
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  went through. And also, like, going to church
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  on Sunday is not going to get you into heaven.
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  No, not at all. So it's not like... Don't let
• 1:30:35
  anybody fool you on that either. And that's not
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  what I mean by it. No, I just mean like, yeah,
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  that's why when I was like, oof, it feels like
• 1:30:44
  a visceral reaction of like, yeah, tell them
• 1:30:46
  they need to be in church. They need to be serving.
• 1:30:48
  They need to give 10%. They need to do blah,
• 1:30:50
  blah, blah, blah, blah. No. That's not actually
• 1:30:52
  what gets you into heaven. No. However, it does
• 1:30:54
  make life a little bit easier, and you get a
• 1:30:56
  little bit more encouragement on a regular basis
• 1:30:58
  being stirred up by the assembly of the saints.
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  I mean, I guess. And even my point for even saying
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  that particularly specifically was just like,
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  it's one of those things we look at and it's
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  just like, oh, that's the thing that I can do.
• 1:31:11
  Right. And it's a place I can put myself. Yes.
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  But it's uncomfortable. Yes. So I'm not going
• 1:31:16
  to put myself there. It's easier for me to go
• 1:31:18
  out into the marketplace, into the world and
• 1:31:21
  say, hey, I'm a Christian. That's easier to do
• 1:31:24
  sometimes than showing up to church on a Sunday.
• 1:31:26
  Yeah. One of them is more important than the
• 1:31:29
  other. But also that may be because of the church
• 1:31:31
  you go to. Could be. So consider that. And I'm
• 1:31:34
  not talking about myself. But I'm talking about
• 1:31:38
  just for general. Well, this got personal I didn't
• 1:31:45
  mean it So so then maybe yeah, so then maybe
• 1:31:49
  the question then is not this is a fun episode
• 1:31:53
  so So maybe the question then is like maybe maybe
• 1:31:56
  the the what we're coming to is maybe the wrong
• 1:31:59
  question Is are you rapture ready and more the
• 1:32:02
  question is is your lamp full? Hmm. Are you ready
• 1:32:05
  to die? Yeah. Are you ready to die? You ready
• 1:32:10
  to die? But that's really what's being said.
• 1:32:12
  And that, of course, is the sentiment of Rapture
• 1:32:15
  Ready. Yes. But it's just talking about like,
• 1:32:18
  I hope we get to ride the ride. Yeah. And it's
• 1:32:21
  like, yeah, but like only one generation is going
• 1:32:24
  to get to do that. Also like, are you going to
• 1:32:26
  ride the ride? But also what in the world is
• 1:32:29
  that going to look like? Like that. Here's the
• 1:32:32
  thing. Let's say you are part of the rapture
• 1:32:36
  that your clothes fall off. I keep saying that.
• 1:32:39
  And you're just in the sky naked all of a sudden.
• 1:32:42
  And there's trumpet sounding. The sky's opening
• 1:32:44
  up. There's a myriad of angels. There's all this
• 1:32:48
  stuff. There's people everywhere going into the
• 1:32:51
  sky. Do you know how terrifying that would be?
• 1:32:55
  Whoa! Like I'm just gonna have to get my paper
• 1:32:58
  in the morning and then you go but there's gonna
• 1:33:00
  be a piece that passes all understanding It's
• 1:33:02
  like again, you're referencing the raw us out
• 1:33:05
  of context scripture passage. It doesn't say
• 1:33:08
  that in that passage. Yeah Like this is a moment
• 1:33:13
  where he's coming with the sword. Yeah So you're
• 1:33:16
  going like, oh no, I'm vulnerable in the air
• 1:33:19
  flying at the savior who has tattoos on his leg
• 1:33:23
  and a flaming sword in his hand. That's terrifying.
• 1:33:27
  Yes. Yes. But also, are we all going to fit on
• 1:33:32
  the horse? It could be a giant slug. So here
• 1:33:36
  we go. Our question tonight, are you rapture
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  ready? Three, two, one. you