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Can “Bachelor” Chris Soules avoid jail time for fatal crash? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Is the Iowa farmboy turned reality show hard Thromp looking
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Speaker 1: for love on season nineteen of ABC's The Bachelor. But
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Speaker 1: today Chris Souls finds himself starring in a very different
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Speaker 1: kind of drama character. The victim, Kenneth Moger, was Souls
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Speaker 1: his neighbor in their small town, Iowa community. The grandfather
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Speaker 1: of three and Vietnam War veteran, died from his injuries
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Speaker 1: at the hospital hours after the accident. This is Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace What's your Name? Critical Souls was uninjured,
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Speaker 1: but police say they had to track him down after
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Speaker 1: the accident. He was at present when the cops arrived
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Speaker 1: in order to submit to a field sobriety test. Did
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Speaker 1: he just gets scared and are hardly eating seen the
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Speaker 1: accident death Dancing with the star is Oh, Dear Lord
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Speaker 1: in heaven, there were there couldn't be four more words
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Speaker 1: that would strike fear in my heart. I would rather
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Speaker 1: try a serial killer then hear those four words, because
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Speaker 1: that meant I had already come down those tall stairs
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Speaker 1: the whole time going oh Lord, please don't let me fall.
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Speaker 1: Don't let me fall. If I have to fall and
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Speaker 1: break my neck, at least let it be during a
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Speaker 1: dance routine, not coming down the stairs, and then there
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Speaker 1: would be that moment where you had to start your
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Speaker 1: dance routine. The reason I'm talking about this is because
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Speaker 1: a reality TV star, a veteran of Dansing with the
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Speaker 1: Stars and Bachelorette and Bachelor as Now, what would you say.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't call him inmate number five, four or three
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Speaker 1: to one, but I would say he's definitely got a
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Speaker 1: booking number assigned to him. I'm talking, of course about
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Speaker 1: Bachelor Chris Souls. I Meancy Grace. This is crime stories
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Speaker 1: and joining me in addition to the Duke, Alan Deep
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Speaker 1: is high profile lawyer on the Dahlia Dippolito case, joining
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Speaker 1: me from his plush digs in the l A area.
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Speaker 1: Brian Claypool. Brian, thank you for being with us. Great
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Speaker 1: to be back, Nancy. And before we even started, I
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Speaker 1: want to let you know I'm gonna wave my conflict
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Speaker 1: of interest on this story because my phone blew up
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Speaker 1: calling in votes for you when you were on Dancing
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Speaker 1: with the Stars. I'm gonna have to put that inside today.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, I would be Look, can I tell you
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Speaker 1: one more thing? I had so many neat missteps during
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Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars. I worked on a split all week.
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Speaker 1: I did splits. The night I was supposed to do
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Speaker 1: the split, my shoe got stuck in my long dress
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Speaker 1: and the split didn't happen. I mean, it was just
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Speaker 1: one thing after the next, you know. So I can't
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Speaker 1: believe I made it to the as I say, coveted
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Speaker 1: final whatever it was, Final four, final five. Anyway, that
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Speaker 1: was a miracle. All right. Now let's get back to
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Speaker 1: Chris Souls. This is what I know. Chris Souls rear
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Speaker 1: ended a John Dear tractor in the middle of nowhere.
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Speaker 1: And I say that in the best sense because that's
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Speaker 1: where I come from, the middle of nowhere, where tractors
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Speaker 1: would be on the road. I made him on a tractor.
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Speaker 1: It can't be going over fifteen miles miles an hour,
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Speaker 1: I mean, like really slowly going down the street, the
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Speaker 1: man minding his own business. How can you rear end
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Speaker 1: a tractor without some degree of recklessness. Anyway, So the
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Speaker 1: guy Kenneth Mosure, it's thrown off the tractor. He lands
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Speaker 1: in the ditch where he dies, and the bachelor Chris
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Speaker 1: Old calls nine one one to his credit. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm giving him a gold star
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Speaker 1: for calling nine one one. Of course he should call
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Speaker 1: nine one one, he says his name, which again, why
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Speaker 1: is he getting credit for that? What is should he lie?
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Speaker 1: He gives an approximate location and then he leaves. He
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Speaker 1: leaves the scene, and right now he is charged with
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Speaker 1: leaving the scene of a crash. But now more is
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Speaker 1: coming out about was he drinking? Now, Brian Kuypel, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure you're gonna whitewash this, but one thing he achieved
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Speaker 1: by leaving the scene of the crash is they couldn't
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Speaker 1: do a breathalyzer on him. He goes about fifteen miles
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Speaker 1: to his home in Arlington, goes in his house, shuts
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Speaker 1: the door, locks the door. The police track him down
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Speaker 1: through his red truck and they bam on the door.
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Speaker 1: He hides out in there, hold up for hours. I mean,
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Speaker 1: come on, can we just get real on this? How
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Speaker 1: many times do you think he t t tried tried
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Speaker 1: to get that blood alcohol time. I mean, look, I
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Speaker 1: don't have proof that he had been drinking, but in
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Speaker 1: the last hours some evidence has come out. Matthew didn't
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Speaker 1: His lawyer file emotion on yesterday or today to dismiss
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Speaker 1: the charges of him fleeing the scene, because, as I understand,
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Speaker 1: he also administered some medical aid to the gentleman that
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Speaker 1: was tragically killed. So his lawyers arguing, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: this isn't your typical flee the scene kind of crime.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he really was on the phone, he was
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Speaker 1: administering help. He was there trying to help, and that's
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Speaker 1: not a typical person who commits the crime and then
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Speaker 1: runs off into the darkness. Let's follow up on what
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Speaker 1: Brian Claypool is saying and listen to this nine one
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Speaker 1: one call us a very brief and he does turned
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Speaker 1: around and go, hey, does anybody here know CPR? And
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Speaker 1: I he did reach over and determine the guy still
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Speaker 1: had a pulse. Bran Flaypool, I promise if I find
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Speaker 1: you dying in a ditch, God for good, I will
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Speaker 1: do more than take your pulse. Okay, I promise you
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Speaker 1: that we don't know what all he here. Are you
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Speaker 1: sure you would do that if you threw me in
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Speaker 1: the ditch? Are you positive if you toss me into
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Speaker 1: the ditch, would you help me? Let me rethink my
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Speaker 1: more than generous offer. Hold on listen to this, Kenny
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Speaker 1: conyn one one one is from the merchant thinking just
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Speaker 1: porsable we talk? Okay, what's the address? There's no address?
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Speaker 1: Um address? Alight? Okay, okay, I got it? What is
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Speaker 1: anybody injured? Yes? Whoa there? A tractor? Okay, so it's
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Speaker 1: a truck car versus tractor okay, and who's injured? So
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Speaker 1: the man on the tractor is a tractor in the
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Speaker 1: ditch okay, and that guy was thrown into the ditch. Okay,
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Speaker 1: just one moment. Are there coming coming? Are you talking
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Speaker 1: to amazing? Conscious? He's not conscious? He's not conscious? Can
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Speaker 1: you can you check me? Where is the exact location
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Speaker 1: of Mechanic County? Any mercy? One abulance spent one mile
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Speaker 1: worth of Aurora on Slater Avenue for a vehicle versus
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Speaker 1: tractor accident. A tractor has trown into the ditch and
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Speaker 1: the writer if the tractor is injured. Police stay on
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Speaker 1: the phone with me. Okay, can you hear me? You
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Speaker 1: hear me a minute, but don't hang up, Donna, I
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Speaker 1: got this, okay, Okay, you got it? Yep, thank you?
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Speaker 1: What's your name? Christ sold? Okay? Any breathing, sir? I
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Speaker 1: can't tell it doesn't apear to be. It doesn't look
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Speaker 1: like he's breathing for us. No, get on him. No,
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Speaker 1: christ are we start CPR? Christy, you know how to
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Speaker 1: do CPR? No? I know? Are you near him at all?
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Speaker 1: We don't have this CPR's somebody with you? So there
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Speaker 1: you Okay? Does anyone there know how to do CPR?
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Speaker 1: Everybody know how you? Super are? I can talk to
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Speaker 1: you through it if you're near the patient. This blood
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Speaker 1: that's coming out of his mouth? Yeah, okay, so it's
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Speaker 1: a few pulls. Yeah, it's gonna pull. He does have
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Speaker 1: a poll check the CPS threading. Yeahs on your way,
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Speaker 1: say Chris, yeah there, I'm gonna stand the line with you.
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Speaker 1: We have law enforcement medical in route two. I want
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Speaker 1: to know if those vehicles that are up on the
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Speaker 1: road patch the slashers up. Thank you. I'm gonna go.
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Speaker 1: Brian has been in court all day. He doesn't know
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Speaker 1: about TMZ's report. Go ahead, Well it's not just TMZ,
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Speaker 1: it's also the Des Moines Register is reporting that documents
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Speaker 1: filed by the Buchanan County Attorney's Office today in response
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Speaker 1: to the motion to have it dismissed, said that the
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Speaker 1: empty and partially consumed open alcoholic beverages found in and
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Speaker 1: around Chris Soul's vehicle after the fatal crash where purchase
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Speaker 1: quote shortly before the accident. Okay, lay Pool, I've got
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Speaker 1: an answer for that. But you go first, well, I mean,
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Speaker 1: how much alcohol are we talking about? Alan do you know?
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Speaker 1: I mean are we talking to did he consume an
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Speaker 1: entire six pack and a half hour? Brian? You really
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Speaker 1: do beat all because first you're saying there's no evidence
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Speaker 1: that he was drinking or that he had alcohol, and
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Speaker 1: then we find out last night that there was what
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Speaker 1: looked like you have no evidence that he consumed alcohol.
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Speaker 1: There's no witness thing. I saw Chris downing four beers
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Speaker 1: at the at the local grocery store out on a patio.
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Speaker 1: There's no there's no eyewitnesses and prinking any alcohol. Explawyer
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Speaker 1: is gonna argue that all that does is show proof
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Speaker 1: that he purchased alcohol. We don't know whether he had
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Speaker 1: a passenger with him, where he went after he bought
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Speaker 1: the alcohol. Was he patronizing with somebody. That's not direct
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Speaker 1: evidence that he was under the influence and impaired when
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Speaker 1: he was driving. Okay, I was just waiting hoping you
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Speaker 1: would say exactly what you said. Okay, So where I
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Speaker 1: was before I was so rudely interrupted by defense tone.
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Speaker 1: Brian Claypool was that first year, like, there's no evidence
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Speaker 1: who's drinking. So last night I was discussing this very
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Speaker 1: thing on Nightline and I said, look, he hasn't been
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Speaker 1: charged with d u I he hasn't been charged with
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Speaker 1: even drinking at all to any limit, to any extent.
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Speaker 1: But we know that there was alcohol spotted in his car.
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Speaker 1: But here's the problem with that. For all I know,
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Speaker 1: it was a twelve pack unopened in a bag from
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Speaker 1: Walmart or in the trunk I don't know, Or was
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Speaker 1: it a giant tumbler with ice still in it of
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Speaker 1: genitoic or coke and jack right there in the beverage holder.
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Speaker 1: I mean spilled all over the front seat. I don't
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Speaker 1: know what the booze was, so without knowing that, I
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Speaker 1: can't say what it contributes, if anything, to a charge.
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Speaker 1: But now we are hearing that he just bought the
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Speaker 1: booze just before the crash. According to TMZ, what else
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Speaker 1: did the des Moines registers, say Alan Duke. The filing
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Speaker 1: from the prosecutor also says that along with identifying himself,
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Speaker 1: Souls was required to quote immediately returned to the scene
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Speaker 1: of the accident or inform law enforcement authorities where he
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Speaker 1: could be located, but he didn't do that, and it
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Speaker 1: says the only permissible reasons Souls could have left the
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Speaker 1: scene of the accident in the first place was to
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Speaker 1: seek necessary aid or to report the accident to law
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Speaker 1: enforcement authorities. And that's not what happened. Okay, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: I got something for you, Claypool. Now listen to this.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors say Souls attempted to dodge several facts around the accident,
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Speaker 1: including an explanation of the empty and partially consumed open
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Speaker 1: alcoholic beverage located in and around his vehicle that he
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Speaker 1: was seen purchasing at a convenience store shortly before the accident.
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Speaker 1: I was just about to say, Brian, if there is
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Speaker 1: a witness or surveillance video or credit card receipt showing
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Speaker 1: that he let's just go with m Core's light, Okay,
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Speaker 1: that he bought a six pack and then in the
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Speaker 1: car in the truck police find the six pack with
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Speaker 1: one empty beer can in the floor and one have
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Speaker 1: consumed beer can in the beverage container. That's pretty strong
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Speaker 1: evidence that he was drinking and driving if the crash
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Speaker 1: happened right after the purchase. Would you at least agree
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Speaker 1: with that, Brian, I would agree with your comment that
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Speaker 1: it could prove that he was drinking and driving, but
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Speaker 1: it doesn't prove that he was driving under the influence
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Speaker 1: of alcohol and that that alcohol he consumed impaired his
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Speaker 1: ability uh to pay attention to avert the accident. That
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Speaker 1: that's just not enough evidence to prove that. Okay, dummy
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Speaker 1: down for me, because what you're saying in regular people
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Speaker 1: talk is you and I don't want to encourage this,
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Speaker 1: especially to Alan Duke, who is not afraid of a cocktail. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me just put that out there. You do not
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Speaker 1: you can have a drink and drive, and that alcohol
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Speaker 1: not be enough to get you to the legal limit
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Speaker 1: point zero eight of d U. I. However, you still
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Speaker 1: can be charged with driving while impaired. What about that
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Speaker 1: girl's back up? First one, there's no law against drinking
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Speaker 1: a beer. You're if you're having a sip of a
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Speaker 1: beer while you're driving. I don't believe that violates the law.
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Speaker 1: I could be wrong. I don't think it does. But
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Speaker 1: what we're looking at here is you need to prove
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Speaker 1: that if Crystals in fact drank a beer two from
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Speaker 1: the time he purchased the six pack, that that actually
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Speaker 1: played an integral role in his ability to pay attention
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Speaker 1: when he was driving. There's still no nexus or connection
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Speaker 1: between he consumed a little bit of alcohol and that
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Speaker 1: actually and that actually, beyond a reason, mold doubt impaired
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Speaker 1: his ability to pay attention. Now, I saw on a
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Speaker 1: recent report, Nancy, that this accident occurred at the time
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Speaker 1: of day when the sun was going down, and there's
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Speaker 1: now an issue as to whether there were any whether
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Speaker 1: there he could have seen attract or in other words,
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Speaker 1: with with absent any lights on, so so lighting lighting
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Speaker 1: could have been an issue. Here's your here's your problem,
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Speaker 1: miss prosecutor. You don't you don't have any empirical scientific
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Speaker 1: evidence of Chris Soul's being under the influence of alcohol
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Speaker 1: when he's driving number one. There's no reliable evidence that
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Speaker 1: alcohol played any part in him being able to pay
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Speaker 1: attention when he's driving number two and number three. Like
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Speaker 1: you said, there's no breath lizer done, there's no blood
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Speaker 1: tests done. Yeah, because he fled the scene. That's why.
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Speaker 1: First of all, not condoning what he did as far
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Speaker 1: as playing the scene, but when you meshed him not
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Speaker 1: having been objected to any type of testing, whether it
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Speaker 1: be bloodcast, breathalizer or sobriety test, you don't As a prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: you don't now have that crucial information. It makes it
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Speaker 1: harder now for the prosecutor to get a conviction on
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Speaker 1: negligent vehicular homicide negligent homicide. So that's all I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be a harder haul. Hold on, hold on,
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Speaker 1: Hold on. The bachelor. Chris Souls walks away from the
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Speaker 1: scene of the deadly crash, apparently calls somebody to pick
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Speaker 1: him up to take him home, and when the Sheriff's
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Speaker 1: get to his home and bam on the door, he
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Speaker 1: refuses to come out, he stays, holds up in there,
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Speaker 1: hold up in there for hours. Um. Finally the two
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Speaker 1: deputies who were at his home and asked him to
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Speaker 1: come out, and he refuses several hours for them to
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Speaker 1: go get a search warrant. So he stayed in there
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Speaker 1: long enough to teach some of the booze out. That's
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Speaker 1: what the argument's going to be. And also when they
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Speaker 1: search to pick up they find beer cans inside. Don't
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Speaker 1: know if they were full or empty. Okay, But but
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Speaker 1: here my counter to that is this, did he did
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Speaker 1: crystals handle this in a dignified, proper way. No? Did
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Speaker 1: he handle it in an illegal way by going home
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Speaker 1: and not answering the door and not speaking to the
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Speaker 1: officers when the cannons off. No, he's not legally obligated
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Speaker 1: to go out and say, hey, Mr or Mrs officer, sure, uh,
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Speaker 1: put a veel in my arm and take my blood
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Speaker 1: sample or take a blood dust. He's not he's not
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Speaker 1: legally obligated to do that. They didn't have a search
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Speaker 1: warrant or anything warrant at the time they went to
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Speaker 1: his house. I mean, from a perceptive standpoint, it doesn't
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Speaker 1: look good. You are legally obligated if you were driving
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Speaker 1: on a public road, you agree to take a breath,
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Speaker 1: a linzer or a blood alcohol. You can refuse, that's
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Speaker 1: just part of the deal. No, but you can refuse
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Speaker 1: that and be charged with I guess you can. Then
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Speaker 1: you lose your life, you're charged with it, and then
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Speaker 1: you're charged with Right, Brian, where where did you grow up?
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Speaker 1: Where did I grow up? Speaking of alcohol? And I
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Speaker 1: grew up in a town where rolling rock beer is brewed,
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Speaker 1: believe it or not, Latrobe, Pennsylvania, thirty five miles outside
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Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh, rolling rock beers. I know all about your
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Speaker 1: people drinking. Do you know anything about tractors? Did you
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Speaker 1: know anything about tractors? Yeah, we grew up in a small,
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Speaker 1: little little Do you know how fast a tractor can go? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: So how can you miss a tractor going fifteen miles
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Speaker 1: an hour in front of you? Nancy? Let me share
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Speaker 1: a story with you. Okay. I also want to undergraduate
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Speaker 1: at penn State University. One person, I'm telling you that
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Speaker 1: is because I used to do a drive from Latrobe,
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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania up into what they called Happy Valley, Okay, in
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Speaker 1: central Pennsylvania. And I'm sure you're familiar with the Amish folks, right,
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Speaker 1: and they drive in those bugs the buggies right there
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Speaker 1: are prevalence in central Pennsylvania. The owners I'm sharing the
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Speaker 1: story with you. There have been times when I've been
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Speaker 1: driving on the on those country roads and all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, it's kind of like you're looking forward right,
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Speaker 1: and you're not really realizing that the distance is closing
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Speaker 1: in so quickly because the horse and buggies are going
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Speaker 1: what maybe ten miles an hour, and some of those
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Speaker 1: were on the road, and they can can create a
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Speaker 1: hazard at times, just like a tractor. I've been driving
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Speaker 1: out of here even recently, where you see like a
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Speaker 1: city truck that's going to fifty miles on a on
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Speaker 1: a road that's five an hour. That's a hazard in
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Speaker 1: and of itself. Right, the Amish person and their buggy
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Speaker 1: and horses, they're not the hazard. It's the speed demon
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Speaker 1: Brian Claypool driving a d m p h. Pulling up.
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Speaker 1: I mean, how can somebody barely move be a hazard
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Speaker 1: on a back road. You're the problem. You and Chris Souls.
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Speaker 1: You and Chris Souls are the problem. Now if you're
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Speaker 1: driving sixty five miles an hour and you're coming up
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Speaker 1: on a buggy horse and buggy going ten miles an hour,
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Speaker 1: or tracker going fifteen miles an hour. It can be
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Speaker 1: deceiving to you at the distance how quickly you're you're
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Speaker 1: closing on on that person, and that could create I've
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Speaker 1: never had a problem with maybe not to you, but
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Speaker 1: to the average fault. I mean, it's happened to me.
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Speaker 1: It can be dangerous. I'm not making a complete excuse
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Speaker 1: for crystals when I'm trying to to glean a reasonable
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Speaker 1: explanation as to why he he misfired on the distance
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Speaker 1: between his vehicle and then and the tractor, and I
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Speaker 1: think that is a reasonable You don't think that's a reasonable,
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Speaker 1: plausible explanation, Nancy. A tractor on a major road going
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Speaker 1: fifteen min it's not a major road, it's not it's
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Speaker 1: not a major road, but it's a road. I don't know, No,
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Speaker 1: I don't And the tractor is going twenty five miles
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Speaker 1: an hour, which should be a apropriate for a back road.
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Speaker 1: Would intriguing. What interests me is the totality of the
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Speaker 1: circumstances where he rear in somebody, which essentially is per
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Speaker 1: se negligence when you rear in somebody. Not only that
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Speaker 1: he leaves the scene and stays gone long enough for
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Speaker 1: the alcohol in his system to dissipate. Nancy, you're one
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Speaker 1: of the most intelligent, intelligent people I've ever met. You
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Speaker 1: know that in this kind of case, there's more diff
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Speaker 1: Did you just say intelligent mint? Did you say intelligent mint? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I think I think that it's the stick suffering from
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Speaker 1: the gold Brian Claypool just left the seven and eleven
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Speaker 1: where he bought a six pack. Okay, go ahead, Nancy.
24:48
Speaker 1: Two important facts that we don't have pieces of evidence
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Speaker 1: that have to be developed before we call out the
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Speaker 1: firing squad and queer Soul. Number one, what was the
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Speaker 1: speed of the tractor at the time of the accident.
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Speaker 1: The gentleman was all right, blame the viction, go ahead him.
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Speaker 1: You have to do what's called an accident reconstruction. You
25:06
Speaker 1: have to have scientists come in and study, uh, the
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Speaker 1: speed of you've got you got determined. How fast was
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Speaker 1: Chris Souls traveling at the time of impact? A B
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Speaker 1: how fast it's at all? Was the tractor traveling at
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Speaker 1: the time of impact? For example, if the tractor was
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Speaker 1: was stationary, that arguably, Chris sol could argue. His lawyer
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Speaker 1: could say, well, that created a hazard. The tractor just
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Speaker 1: went out on the road going a few miles an hour,
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Speaker 1: So you're telling me it could be the tractor Kenneth
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Speaker 1: Moser's fault. And for some reason, Chris Souls the reality
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Speaker 1: star had to go home and hide behind the closed
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Speaker 1: door from two sheriff's uh and think about it. Okay,
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Speaker 1: well the other thing, All of that might work for
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Speaker 1: you out in l A. That might work for you
25:57
Speaker 1: in l A. But that ain't gonna fly in Iowa.
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Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. And you haven't even touched on
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Speaker 1: what I think is very important. This guy has a
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Speaker 1: drinking and a driving history that goes back to nineteen
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Speaker 1: under age to drinking, speeding, a multitude of infractions. He
26:20
Speaker 1: has a previous out of cedar falls, hit and run,
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Speaker 1: and he has a two thousand and six d UY.
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Speaker 1: So he knew the drill. He knew that if he
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Speaker 1: was drinking and had a crash and he was d
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Speaker 1: u I, he was up the crest, up the creek
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Speaker 1: without a paddle. Okay, well there you go, all right,
26:40
Speaker 1: let me clarify what I said I'm not saying that
26:44
Speaker 1: the man who was killed was at fault. What I
26:48
Speaker 1: said was him pulling the tractor, maybe at a slow
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Speaker 1: rate of speed on that road, may have been a
26:54
Speaker 1: contributing factor to this tragedy. And it sometimes when these
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Speaker 1: things happened, it's not a murder or a homicide. Rather
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Speaker 1: it is simply a tragic accident. And that's the point
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Speaker 1: I was trying to make. Is that what you're going
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Speaker 1: to argue in Dahlia di Polito, The Almost Black Widow. Hey, guys,
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Speaker 1: I just saw one more thing I want to tell you.
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Speaker 1: I was rereading a quote from the prosecutor's filings. It
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Speaker 1: says by leaving the scene, he attempted to dodge facts
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Speaker 1: around the accident, an explanation, including an explanation of the
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Speaker 1: empty and partially consumed open alcoholic beverages in and around
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Speaker 1: his vehicle. I know, I think I read that earlier,
27:50
Speaker 1: but I'm rereading it. So some at least one of
27:53
Speaker 1: the beer cans was empty, and that means there's another
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Speaker 1: one that's partially consumed. That's a beer and a half
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Speaker 1: if I'm reading that correctly. Whoopsie Nancy. His behavior is
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Speaker 1: consistent with somebody who's afraid. He's afraid of the perception
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Speaker 1: that if you've got an empty beer can and maybe
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Speaker 1: a half empty beer can, that the whole world is
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Speaker 1: going to do what they're doing now, which is conclude
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Speaker 1: that he's a raving alcoholic, he's got a prior du i,
28:28
Speaker 1: and that all of that coalesced caused this accident, caused
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Speaker 1: this death. Yeah, because it's common sense. Let me actually
28:38
Speaker 1: come on, if you ever, let's let's let's let's let's
28:41
Speaker 1: let's be real. Okay, let's be real. You and I
28:43
Speaker 1: would let's pretend that we just met a that we
28:46
Speaker 1: just met it a lounge. Okay, I've always been dying
28:48
Speaker 1: to meet you. Okay, first of all, I don't meet
28:51
Speaker 1: manute lounges. Let's let's live out my fantasy for a
28:54
Speaker 1: couple of minutes. We meet it a lounge, I'll try
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Speaker 1: and I worre you a beer. We have a beer,
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Speaker 1: We chit chat, you tell me about your experience and
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Speaker 1: dancing with the stars, and then you have another half beer.
29:05
Speaker 1: I get you another half beer. I buy it for you.
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Speaker 1: By the way, even after you talk in the dif
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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes ago. So I get you a couple of beers.
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Speaker 1: You've had one and a half beer, all right, now
29:14
Speaker 1: after one and a half beers, I don't want you
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Speaker 1: to tell me honestly, all right, how do you think
29:19
Speaker 1: you would you would feel after a beer and a
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Speaker 1: half and you weigh less than a lot less than
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Speaker 1: Chris souls? Do you really believe that's gonna dramatically impair
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Speaker 1: Be honest with me, Okay, I'll be honest with you.
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Speaker 1: Number one, I do not meet men in lounges. Okay.
29:36
Speaker 1: Number two, If I did. If I did, you're killing
29:41
Speaker 1: my fan of you. But go ahead if I did.
29:43
Speaker 1: If I did, it would definitely be you. But if
29:46
Speaker 1: I did, I had. If I Number two, I don't drink.
29:50
Speaker 1: Number three when I have had to drink. If I
29:53
Speaker 1: have one drink, I go straight to sleep. It's just
29:56
Speaker 1: not fun for me. I'm just one of those people.
29:57
Speaker 1: I go, oh, dear Lord, haven't I'm tired? I they
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Speaker 1: can go to sleep, and so it's no fun. So
30:02
Speaker 1: if I had a beer and a half, I would
30:04
Speaker 1: be asleep at the wheel. That was a bad fantasy analogy.
30:08
Speaker 1: So I know that's not the answer you're hoping for.
30:13
Speaker 1: So now you want to make up. Okay, I love this. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what I think that you have said enough
30:19
Speaker 1: about Mr Cristoles with me is superstar Brian Claypool, out
30:25
Speaker 1: of the l A jurisdiction, telling me all about his
30:28
Speaker 1: home spun childhood, growing up in the hard scrabble suburbs
30:33
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. The main streets of where was it, Nancy,
30:38
Speaker 1: three things, Rolling rodber Arnold Palmer hometown for any golfing
30:42
Speaker 1: fans out there of yours. And the Pittsburgh Steelers trained
30:46
Speaker 1: every summer in Latrolle, Pennsylvania. As a kid growing up
30:49
Speaker 1: in the backyard, I could see them. I looked him
30:51
Speaker 1: up on Google and all I could pull up pictures
30:54
Speaker 1: of mansions in Okay, well, whatever, I guess that, Mr
30:59
Speaker 1: Blue Caller, Brian Claypool, Alan du Brian Claypool. We expect
31:05
Speaker 1: another development in the Crystals, the Bachelor slash the Bachelorette
31:09
Speaker 1: slash Dancing with the Stars alum in the next few hours,
31:14
Speaker 1: and we will be back on crime stories. Claypool. I'll
31:18
Speaker 1: see you in courtman, Allen Duke. I'll let you go
31:21
Speaker 1: back to your sea, your your cement pond, your fancy
31:25
Speaker 1: swimming pool there in your high Rise and um, I'm
31:28
Speaker 1: gonna sign off, guys. Thank you for being with me,
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, goodbye friend.