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Sean O'Connell Show - FULL POD - 8-18-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: By Tuesday, boy, welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, the teas that we gave you for the show
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  Speaker 3: actually quite inaccurate. I regret to inform you. Still gonna
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  Speaker 3: be a great show, still gonna be a football centric show,
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  Speaker 3: Still gonna be a really excellent show. Ryan Leaf had
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  Speaker 3: to push and Jeff Schwartz had to push till later
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  Speaker 3: in the week. So we have Jerem Jordan for some
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  Speaker 3: red and blue. We have j T. Wister Silt to
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  Speaker 3: check in on the utes. We have some over unders
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  Speaker 3: that we're gonna get to here at the top of
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  Speaker 3: the show, I keep saying we're gonna do these, and
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  Speaker 3: we haven't done. I like going over the numbers. I
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  Speaker 3: like going over the precedent. I like taking a look
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  Speaker 3: at what our expectations should be for Utah football. So
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna do a little bit of that. Some NFL
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  Speaker 3: storylines to jump into. I have kind of deliberately stayed
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  Speaker 3: away from a lot, like the bulk of the conversation
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  Speaker 3: around the Kloni Satake and Brian Santiago perceived feud, because
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  Speaker 3: there's just to me, is there drama? There is there intrigue?
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  Speaker 3: There is it something that if I'm a BYU fan,
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  Speaker 3: I'm paying very very close attention to. Of course, you
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  Speaker 3: tune into this show because you want to hear Utah football,
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  Speaker 3: You want to hear a little bit of mammoth, you
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  Speaker 3: want to hear some NFL stuff. And yes, I am
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  Speaker 3: more intrigued and more interested in BYU football than almost
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  Speaker 3: all of you are as listeners. I got more love
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  Speaker 3: for Klonie Satake than most of you are probably comfortable with.
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  Speaker 3: I know other guys on that stage, Chad kahaahaa love
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  Speaker 3: that dude. Aaron Roderick loved that dude, Hyas moy all
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  Speaker 3: the way down Like, there's a bunch of really Gary
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  Speaker 3: Anderson's down there. There's a bunch of people that have
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  Speaker 3: a ton of love and respect for on that staff.
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  Speaker 3: There's there's players that I want to see be incredibly
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  Speaker 3: successful there, Guys that we followed in their recruiting cycle,
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  Speaker 3: Guys that were at the University of Utah in the
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  Speaker 3: case of Keanutnabasa. Right, I'm intrigued by the happenings down
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  Speaker 3: there in a way that I would be all in
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  Speaker 3: on this, but I'm trying to serve you, my audience
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  Speaker 3: here eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
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  Speaker 3: If you have any thoughts on it, just text the Matty.
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  Speaker 3: It might not even make the show. We might not
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  Speaker 3: even get into on the show. And the reason I
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  Speaker 3: don't feel like it's something that we have to justify
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  Speaker 3: talking about or we have to talk about a lot
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  Speaker 3: on my show not that it isn't a mega story
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  Speaker 3: in the state and in the state of football here
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  Speaker 3: with the season approaching. But I've said it before, I
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  Speaker 3: will say it again. I just don't know how much
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  Speaker 3: it does on the field until it's something that's a
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  Speaker 3: big enough rift that Kalani Satake takes a different job
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  Speaker 3: because the Penn State thing almost happened. But ultimately that
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  Speaker 3: worked to Kilanie's advantage. He got a raise from BYU,
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  Speaker 3: his assistants got raises from BYU, he got a deeper
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  Speaker 3: commitment from the booster base to provide anil to provide
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  Speaker 3: you saw in the article, and there's been really good
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  Speaker 3: stuff done. Adam Rittenberg is actually going to join us
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  Speaker 3: on Thursday, and he wrote an article for ESPN about
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  Speaker 3: how Kalanie Satake is your favorite coach's favorite coach, how
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  Speaker 3: everyone in college football likes him. That by itself is
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  Speaker 3: enough for anyone who is maybe not his biggest fan
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  Speaker 3: down in Provo to say, well, I'm not winning this battle,
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  Speaker 3: all right. Kilani is the dude that everybody wants to
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  Speaker 3: be friends with. So in the court of public opinion,
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  Speaker 3: I have already lost this case. It only affects Utah.
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  Speaker 3: It only affects the BYU bottom line. And I'm not
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  Speaker 3: talking about the financial bottom line. I'm talking about the
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  Speaker 3: win loss bottom line. It only affects that if Kilani leaves,
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  Speaker 3: and I will tell you again, Kilani Satake ain't leaving.
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  Speaker 3: It's not happening now. It's not happening after what is
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  Speaker 3: going to be a very successful season at BYU. Kialani
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  Speaker 3: is not going to if it really comes to a head,
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  Speaker 3: if it really boils over in Provo, it will not
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  Speaker 3: be Kilani Satake that leaves. I am confident in saying
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  Speaker 3: that the tin little caveat the eat Seaween c ASTERIX there.
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  Speaker 4: Is.
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  Speaker 3: If a USC job opens, a Texas job opens, a
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  Speaker 3: true blue blood job opens, and Penn State you could say,
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  Speaker 3: was that. But a true blue blood job opens and
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  Speaker 3: the market for coaching has been reset over and over
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  Speaker 3: and over again, and maybe you know, if there's an
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  Speaker 3: eleven or twelve million dollar offer, at some point BYU
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  Speaker 3: has to say that's that's too rich for our blood.
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  Speaker 3: At some point they just have to, right, crumble cookies
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  Speaker 3: are not going to cover the extra four and a
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  Speaker 3: half million dollars between what they are willing to pay
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  Speaker 3: him and what the top top top coaches in college
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  Speaker 3: football are making right now. I don't think anyway, maybe
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  Speaker 3: they will. And there's also, again this is the tiny asterisk,
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  Speaker 3: there's also the possibility that Kilani are people close to
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  Speaker 3: him in his camp say like, let's say, BYU, does
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  Speaker 3: I know it's a curse to me for me to
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  Speaker 3: put this even out there on Utah airwaves. Let's just
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  Speaker 3: say that BYU does have their greatest football season ever
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  Speaker 3: this year, and they win a Big twelve championship, and
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  Speaker 3: they make it into the College Football Playoff, and make
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  Speaker 3: no mistake, that would be a better season than their
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  Speaker 3: nineteen eighty four national championship. It would be Even if
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  Speaker 3: you're a BYU fan listening, you have to acknowledge that
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  Speaker 3: because in order for that to happen for BYU this year,
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  Speaker 3: you would have to have beaten Notre Dame most likely
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  Speaker 3: or at least played them close enough that it didn't
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  Speaker 3: disqualify you from playoff inclusion later on. If you win
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  Speaker 3: a power championship, power conference championship, that is better than
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  Speaker 3: beating a six and six team in the Holiday Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: It just is to finish your season. I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not trying to diminish the nineteen eighty four national championship.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just telling you that if BYU does what a
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  Speaker 3: lot of their fans think they're capable of doing, when
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  Speaker 3: Sports Illustrated thinks they're capable of doing what Adam Rittenberg
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  Speaker 3: thinks they're capable of doing, then it would be their
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  Speaker 3: best season ever. You could get a situation where Kilany,
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  Speaker 3: his agent, Aaron Roderick, the people close to him, the
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  Speaker 3: people that have helped him along the way, have a
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  Speaker 3: realistic conversation and say, all right, we have now, we
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  Speaker 3: have reached the pinnacle for BYU. We are never going
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  Speaker 3: to win a national championship in a twelve team college
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  Speaker 3: football player. You got here, maybe you won the first game, whatever,
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  Speaker 3: Let's just say this is a pie in the sky
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  Speaker 3: dream for all BYU fans. You've achieved some ridiculous twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty six goal. You're playing into twenty twenty seven, you
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  Speaker 3: are one of the final eight teams. Let's say you're
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  Speaker 3: one of the final maybe you make it to the
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  Speaker 3: final four. Maybe if that mountain is climbed. Then there's
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  Speaker 3: an acknowledgment from the Satake camp that I don't think
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  Speaker 3: I can do more than that at BYU. And by
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  Speaker 3: the way, who's to say something like that doesn't put
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  Speaker 3: you on NFL radars? And NFL radars are totally different
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  Speaker 3: than college football coaching raiders, don't. I don't see that
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  Speaker 3: necessarily being the case, but who knows. So I guess
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  Speaker 3: I've just double asterisk you. There's two little stars. Now
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  Speaker 3: to all these points, I'm trying to make the main
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  Speaker 3: point in bold, whatever your favorite typeface is, wing dings
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  Speaker 3: Kalani Satake ain't leaven BYU, and the tiny little asterix
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  Speaker 3: Asterix is unless the outside offers become too lucrative for
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  Speaker 3: the Brethren to feel comfortable matching them, or this season
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  Speaker 3: is so so good that he realizes it can't get
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  Speaker 3: any better at BYU, and then maybe it's time. I
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  Speaker 3: don't foresee either of those things happening, and so this
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  Speaker 3: nine and a half minutes is basically all I can
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  Speaker 3: justify on this show, say, you know, because other than that,
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  Speaker 3: what's going on at BYU right now is just real
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  Speaker 3: Housewives of Provo. It's it's just people who might not
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  Speaker 3: get along having to work together at a very very
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  Speaker 3: high level. And one of those people is everyone's favorite guy,
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  Speaker 3: and the other one of those people is maybe the
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  Speaker 3: right choice for his job. It's not a fair fight
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  Speaker 3: in PROBO when it comes to a public perception court
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  Speaker 3: of public opinion BYU fans having to take sides, boosters
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  Speaker 3: actually having to take sides the as much as we're
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  Speaker 3: told they don't care about it. The folks in downtown
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  Speaker 3: Salt Lake City at headquarters, if they have to take sides,
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  Speaker 3: the person who side they're going to take is the
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  Speaker 3: one who has said I want to be the Polynesian
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  Speaker 3: LaBelle Edwards right, I mean he is whatever you He's
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  Speaker 3: too good to be true, Klonie Satake. You don't pick
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  Speaker 3: a fight with somebody like that. You don't get into
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  Speaker 3: a war of words with somebody like that. You don't
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  Speaker 3: get on the wrong side of the fence or break
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  Speaker 3: a promise to people like that. You don't And if
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  Speaker 3: that has happened as is alleged, then the the parties
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  Speaker 3: or parties maybe it's singular, maybe it's multiple on the
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  Speaker 3: opposite side of that, are going to find themselves on
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  Speaker 3: the short end of the stick. In provo, it's not
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  Speaker 3: going to change the status of the football program's ability
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  Speaker 3: to win. I can tell you that it just isn't.
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  Speaker 3: If anything, the outcome of this feud makes them better,
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  Speaker 3: and that should be your fear as a Utah football fan.
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  Speaker 3: So by all means, keep reading the well thought out
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  Speaker 3: pieces that are still rolling off the presses, the proverbial
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  Speaker 3: internet presses, I should say, but understand that ultimately it
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  Speaker 3: is stuff that as soon as the first game is
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  Speaker 3: kicked off, you are not going to think about again
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  Speaker 3: until the next offseason. You are not going to hear
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  Speaker 3: Brian Santiago and BYU football and Kalani Satake in the
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  Speaker 3: same sentence until the season is over, unless it's somebody saying,
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  Speaker 3: oh man, you would have beat Notre Dame if that
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  Speaker 3: promise hadn't been broken. But that'll be on cougar board
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  Speaker 3: post somewhere. Long live. Kloni Satake is the BYU head coach.
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  Speaker 3: They should and will allow him to stay fight for
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  Speaker 3: him to stay until he wants to retire there and
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  Speaker 3: he's he is going to be, or he potentially could
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  Speaker 3: be the Polynesian Levelle Edwards, but it's it's an apple's
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  Speaker 3: an oranges comparison. His continuation of Lovell's legacy is more
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  Speaker 3: of the stuff that is written in the Adam Rittenberg
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  Speaker 3: article about how everybody loves him, about how Dion Sanders
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  Speaker 3: loves him, Joey McGuire loves him, Sonny Diyke loves him,
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  Speaker 3: Morgan Scally loves him, Brent Brennan loves him. The coaches
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  Speaker 3: that are paid to beat him, to defeat him, to
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  Speaker 3: hate him, they can't help but love the guy. And
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  Speaker 3: by the way, Morgan has this as well. He's that
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  Speaker 3: whole thing, that that whole relationship and the dynamic of
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  Speaker 3: the rivalry with those two at the helm changes again.
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  Speaker 3: Long gone are the Bronco Kyle Whittingham years where those
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  Speaker 3: guys barely tolerated one another's presence, and that's fine. A
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  Speaker 3: more cordial relationship at the top, even more so than
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  Speaker 3: I think Kyle Whittingham and Kilanie, who have a ton
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  Speaker 3: of love and respect for one another, who are genuine,
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  Speaker 3: actual friends I think that the personalities of Morgan and
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  Speaker 3: Kilani are going to allow for this thing to be
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  Speaker 3: maybe even more fun and carefree. But we'll see, all right,
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  Speaker 3: to the over unders. We talked about an over under.
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  Speaker 3: I put out there Kelvin Obot, is he going to
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  Speaker 3: start five and a half games over or under? I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. People were not passionate about that one. I
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  Speaker 3: am passionate about that one. I think that the future
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  Speaker 3: of your top rated recruit in the history of the program,
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  Speaker 3: even in the short term, is massively important to this
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  Speaker 3: year's squad and to next year's squad, and the next
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  Speaker 3: year squad and the next year's squad, because that guy
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  Speaker 3: is going to be given offers, overtures. The The over
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  Speaker 3: under question for today, hopefully is something that resonates a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more with people because it's about the much maligned,
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  Speaker 3: always talked about passing game at the University of Utah,
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  Speaker 3: and I should say much maligned in previous years. I
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  Speaker 3: think that the optimism for a Kevin mcgiven coach to defense,
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  Speaker 3: a Devin Dan Pierre and Bird ficklive quarterbacked offense, a
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  Speaker 3: wide receiver corps that is weirdly gassed up as the
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  Speaker 3: best Morgan Scalle he's ever seen, despite the fact that
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  Speaker 3: most of these guys have not been big time producers,
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  Speaker 3: at least in Utah uniforms. Right, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: unknown commodities at this level, but the optimism is really
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  Speaker 3: just overflowing in that regard. So some of this is
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  Speaker 3: comparative to the standard set in the Big Twelve conference,
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  Speaker 3: in the Power four conferences. A lot of it is
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  Speaker 3: set compared to what you saw from Utah football last year.
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  Speaker 3: Because if you could just be better than Utah football
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  Speaker 3: was last year in the passing game and you had
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  Speaker 3: remember you had a top five offense, you had a
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  Speaker 3: lot of that was based on the run. You had
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  Speaker 3: a really good, really proficient, really successful offense last season.
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  Speaker 3: This year, I think it's going to be done a
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  Speaker 3: little bit differently. I think most of us expect that
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  Speaker 3: it'll be leaning slightly heavier on the passing game rather
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  Speaker 3: than the run game. And as that happens. As that occurs,
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  Speaker 3: I want to know what your predictions for the real
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  Speaker 3: numbers look like. Eight seven seven three five three zero
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  Speaker 3: seven hundred at realoc sports will Utah's leading receiver whoever
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  Speaker 3: you think that is, and we put a poll out
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  Speaker 3: there are it's mostly people believe it's going to be
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  Speaker 3: Raydon Pagan. Kyrie Shols is kind of in the mix.
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  Speaker 3: Simmons is in the mix. This year's tight end core.
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  Speaker 3: Does it appear to have uh, the same upside that
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  Speaker 3: we've had in recent years. So let's just stick with
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  Speaker 3: it like it's gonna be one of those big body receivers.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe Tobias Meriwether shocks the hell out of all of us.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't matter who it is, will Utah's leading receiver. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not putting it at a thousand yards because I'm going
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  Speaker 3: by the Utah offensive standard here. I'm going by the
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  Speaker 3: precedent set in more recent years. Will Utah's leading receiver
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  Speaker 3: have over or under seven and twenty five yards? I
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  Speaker 3: actually put seven to twenty five point five over under
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  Speaker 3: seven hundred and twenty five point five yards, and more importantly,
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  Speaker 3: at least I think more importantly well, Utah's leading receiving
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  Speaker 3: option have over or under nine and a half passing
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  Speaker 3: touchdown or receiving touchdowns. I should say Zach, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: is holding it down behind the glass today. I've been
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  Speaker 3: muting him the whole time up to here, I'll just
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  Speaker 3: let your I was ranting, how are you? But by
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  Speaker 3: the way, Ryan Rylan, apparently that was too long for
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  Speaker 3: me to be talking about the BYU drama that was
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  Speaker 3: I went, I went more like twelve minutes. At thirteen minutes,
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  Speaker 3: that was too long for Rylan. Sorry, Ryland ninety two
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  Speaker 3: seventy nine.
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  Speaker 5: I'm doing good man, I'm excited for football two weeks
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  Speaker 5: I hoped. And you know the over under you said
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  Speaker 5: it was what seven.
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  Speaker 3: Seven to twenty five point five. Now, when you compare
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  Speaker 3: it to what Utah has been producing as of late,
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  Speaker 3: right especially, you go back to recency bias, and you
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  Speaker 3: look at the receiving leaders in the conference last year,
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  Speaker 3: none of them were from the University of Utah. Ryan
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  Speaker 3: Davis was your leading receiver. He was top twelve in
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  Speaker 3: the conference. Last year from a yardage standpoint, he had
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  Speaker 3: seven hundred and twenty five yards. Well, this year's leading
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  Speaker 3: receiver be more or equally productive to Ryan Davis from
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  Speaker 3: last season. Now, there's a couple of ways that you
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  Speaker 3: have to examine this, because I know that at first,
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  Speaker 3: Blush people are gonna be like, well, yeah, Kyrie Scholz
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  Speaker 3: and Brandon Pagan, they're both capable of doing more than that,
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  Speaker 3: So of course our top guys going to have more
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  Speaker 3: receiving yards than that. Well all right, but if you
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  Speaker 3: have let's say, Shoals, Pagan, and Simmons are all capable
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  Speaker 3: of seven twenty five plus, it doesn't mean all of
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  Speaker 3: them are getting seven to twenty five plus. Right. We've
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  Speaker 3: been talking a lot about the variety of weapons, the
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  Speaker 3: embarrassment of riches, the bald distribution. There's only one of
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  Speaker 3: those oblong footballs. How do you get it to everyone
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  Speaker 3: and keep everyone happy? Ryan Davis had sixty two catches
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  Speaker 3: last year in the Utah football offense. The leading receiver
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  Speaker 3: from a receptions standpoint in the conference last year was
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  Speaker 3: a Houston receiver named Tanner Kozol. He had seventy four catches.
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  Speaker 3: Eric McAllister at TCU had seventy two catches. Josh Cameron
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  Speaker 3: at Baylor had sixty nine. Amrii Thomas from Houston. That's
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  Speaker 3: two Houston Cougars in the top five. He had sixty seven.
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  Speaker 3: Parker Kingston at BYU had sixty seven. Ryan Davis had
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  Speaker 3: sixty two catches for seven and twenty five yards from
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  Speaker 3: an average yards per catch standpoint, that's not stellar, it's
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  Speaker 3: not bad, but it put him down in the twelve
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  Speaker 3: ish yards per reception just under that and that's like
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  Speaker 3: top forty. That's thirty ninth in the conference. Right, So
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  Speaker 3: slot guy, possession guy versus big body, get down the
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  Speaker 3: field type of guy. JJ Buchanan, for example, was Utah's
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  Speaker 3: best receiver from an average yards per catch standpoint, he
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  Speaker 3: had sixteen and a half yards per catch. Right, The
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  Speaker 3: more reasonable comp to a Pagan who a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people think is the leading receiver this year is JJ
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  Speaker 3: Buchanan rather than a Ryan Davis. So your answer to
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  Speaker 3: this at rialo C Sports, the over under seven hundred
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  Speaker 3: and twenty five yards and more importantly nine and a
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  Speaker 3: half touchdowns or more is partially dependent on who you
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  Speaker 3: think that leading receiver is. And now the floor is
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  Speaker 3: your sack over or under.
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  Speaker 5: Well, like you said, I it would be shocking at
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  Speaker 5: Tobias Meriweather did have a kind of like a breakout season, which.
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  Speaker 3: Look him having a better year would be phenomenal for
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  Speaker 3: the University of Utah. Let's jump on that bandwagon, Let's
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  Speaker 3: support that idea, Let's get excited about it. Is it
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  Speaker 3: going to be something that you're banking on no.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I agree with you on that too.
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  Speaker 5: I mean there's a lot of talk about him last
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  Speaker 5: year during camp where it was like, oh, Tobias Merriweather,
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: it might be the top receiver for Utah this upcoming season. Wrong,
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: It's fine, Yeah, But honestly, I know the tight end
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: room is gonna have a chip on the shoulder this year.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: I think that's gonna be a big thing for the
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: Utah offense. As you know, Utah has been known for
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: their tight end room for the last decade. I would say,
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: and it could be Pagan, it could be the tight
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: end room, it could be Merriweather probably know, but I'm
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: gonna take the over. I think Damn Pierre definitely has
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: improved with his arm. I know that he also can
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: use his leg as legs as he kind of rushed
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: for about what six hundred and fifty yards last year,
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: And obviously with mcgivens's history with Utah State, he does
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: like to throw the ball. But I still think it's
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: gonna be a run heavy, run heavy offense. But I'm
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: not taking over here.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Oh see, you're taking the over on your leading receiver
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: having seven hundred and twenty five more than seven hundred
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: and twenty five yards. Yes, okay, that would put your
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: leading receiver in a reasonable spot. You're flirting with the
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: top ten. You're not asking for a Utah wide receiver
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: to be the number one guy, the number one yardage
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: producer in the conference. That was Eric McCallister of TCU
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: last year. He had almost twelve hundred yards and he
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: scored ten touchdowns. Maari Thomas at Houston he ended up
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: scoring twelve receiving touchdowns. So Houston was prolific in the air.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: They had multiple guys kind of on these you know,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: flirting with the top as did Texas Tech, Houston, Texas Tech,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: even Baylor had a little bit of that. BYU had
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Parker Kingston and Chase Roberts that were both very productive
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: last year. Both of those guys. Kingston had nine hundred
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: and twenty eight yards, Chase Roberts had eight hundred and
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: two yards. And if your leading receiver is right around
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: top ten, seven hundred and twenty five or more, I'd
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: put it there because that's what Ryan Davis had last year.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: If you go back to a couple of seasons ago,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: it was a more prolific receiving. It was a far
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: more pass heavy conference in twenty twenty four, where you
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: had this is actually really crazy. Twenty twenty four, there
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: were seven recive receivers in the Big twelve Conference who
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: had more than one thousand yards receiving. In twenty twenty five,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: there was one. In twenty twenty four. You had Teto
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: McMillan from Arizona, Travis Hunter from Colorado, Obviously that was
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: an incredible season for him, playing both sides of the ball,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Jalen Noel from Iowa State, Jaden Higgins from Iowa State,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Jordan Tyson from Arizona States, Jack Back from TCU, Josh
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Kelly from Texas Tech. All of those guys in twenty
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: twenty four were one thousand yard plus receivers. Twenty twenty five,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: everybody tightened things down a little bit. One thousand yard receiver.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Amari Thomas from Houston was second with nine hundred and
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: sixty six. Parker Kingston from BYU was third with nine
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: hundred and twenty eight. So there's an EBB been a
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: flow not only for Utah football, but for the conference
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: in general. In twenty twenty four, Utah's leading receiver was
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Dorian Singer. He had seven hundred and two yards on
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: fifty three catches. One of the most underutilized elite talents
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: that Utah football has ever had. Dorian Singer is a
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: phenomenal player. Was a phenomenal player that unfortunately Utah did
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: not have the healthy quarterback situation to capitalize on. But
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: there's a reason why I'm not being overly optimistic and
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: I'm not giving you a leading wide receiver in the
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: eight to nine, eight or nine hundred or even thousand
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: yard category because in recent years, what we have seen
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: from Utah receivers, at least in the Big twelve, has
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: been in that seven hundred issh yard range eight seven
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: seven three five three zero, seven hundred. The touchdown receptions
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: categories far more interesting. In twenty twenty four, there were
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: four guys who scored ten or more touchdowns receiving the football.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: In twenty twenty five there were three. We have talked
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: about Utah distributing the ball more, especially in the red zone,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: different options to get that pig skin across the line
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: of scrimmage, to get that across the goal line. It
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: kind of doesn't matter how you score the points, as
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: long as you score the points. But of course players
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: want double digit touchdowns. All your runners do, all your
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: receivers do harder to do it. In the receiving game
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: in this Big ten conference, Big twelve conference, I've got
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: ten on my mind because we're looking for ten or
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: more receiving touchdowns. So I'm taking the under almost instantaneously
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: on will your leading wide receiver have fewer than ten
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: or more than ten? It's nine and a half, right, Well,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: they have at least ten. I'm taking the under because
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: the last time Utah had a ten touchdown wide receiver
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: was before they joined the Big twelve Conference. Larry Simmons
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: was your leading touchdown catcher for Utah last year, tied
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: with Dallan Bentley a six touchdown receptions apiece. JJ Buchanan
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: had five. Ryan Davis, your your most reliable yardage producer
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: in the passing game, only had four touchdown receptions. All right.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: So that's the individual over under. That's the individual prediction
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: on stat lines in the receiving game for the University
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: of Utah. Much more important is the overall scope of
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: the passing game in the offense. We'll get to that
• 28:58
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the show. O'Connell show, talking some over
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: unders as we prognosticate a Utah football season that, remember
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: against the friendly schedule, might have some skewed numbers. Great
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: point from Caid on the text line when asking about
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: the top receiver and the over under, I'm setting seven
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: hundred and twenty five point five, basically better or worse
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: than last year's top receiver, Ryan Davis from a yardage standpoint.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: I also put the touchdown catches at nine and a half.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: I think that was probably a little too high, honestly,
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: because there's just not that many receivers in the Big
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Twelve conference who go double digits on the receiving touchdowns.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Only three last year were able to do so. Kade
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: put this in on the text line. I don't believe
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: any receiver will hit the over could be very close,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: but I think the ball would be dished out too
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: much to all the weapons. Also believe our favorable schedule
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: will lead to some blowouts, and don't think we'll be
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: throwing the ball nearly as much in the second half
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: of games. That is the dream, right If you're Kevin mcgiven.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: As much as you want to padd some stats for Devin,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Dan Pierre and Bird Ficklin and everybody else, what you
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: really want is for two and a half three quarters
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: of hard football from your starters and then rest in
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: recovery in the fourth You had plenty of that last year, Right,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: That actually set you up for a lot of success
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: with the brand new offensive line this season because last
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: year you had won six games where your starting offensive
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: line got significant rest in those games, and when they
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: got rest, it meant the guys who are now expected
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: to be starters this year had to come in and
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: play real football the bowl game. You had guys that
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: were not starters all year long out of the tackle positions,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: a reshuffling of the offensive line. Those guys had to
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: play real football for the ball game. Right, So that
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: actually sets you up for success this year. That that
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: is the coaches and coordinators dream if it can happen.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I think that the favorable schedule we've made the point
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: about it over and over and over again is exactly
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: that it is favorable. I don't think it is easy.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: I don't think it is a bunch of different blowouts,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: because there are going to be growing pains with this
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Utah football team on both sides of the ball. I
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: think that games you didn't want to be competitive are
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: going to be a little bit more competitive than you
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: thought they should be. I think that there's going to
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: be a couple of games where you hold your breath
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: in a fifteen minute stretch and you're at rice Eco
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Stadium and you're sitting home on your couch and you're
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: just going like, what the bleep is wrong with these guys?
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Why is this happening? I think that's just going to
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: be a normal growing pains part of the process. I
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: don't think it's gonna happen against Idaho. I hope it's not. Arkansas.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Utah State is going to be one of those games
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: for me where Bronco Beennen Hall is a really good coach.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: He understands how to put pressure on Kevin mcgiven because
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Kevin McGivern was working for him. He knows how to
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: to try to take a break a Pagan out of
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: a game plan offensive game plan, because he knows exactly
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: what that guy's really good at. Right he knows how
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: to exploit the inexperience of an offensive line that is
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: still figuring some things out in Week three. So a
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: game like that is I don't think going to be
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: a blowout. It's designed on the schedule to be something
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: of a blowout. It's supposed to be like a three
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: touchdown win. I think it's like maybe like a ten
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: point win for Utah and you're going to leave Rice
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Eckel Stadium going what the crap happened there? And I'm
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: going to tell you the following Monday, what happened there
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: was exactly what we should have expected to happen. Right where,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: You're going up against a really experienced coach who knows
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: this program well, who knows some of the players and
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: coaches in this program well, and because of his veteran
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: status at the Helm, he knows kind of how to
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: maximize what he's got and shorten the gap or close
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: the gap on your advantages. Iowa State, they're trying to
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: figure out so much stuff that's going to be an
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: unpredictable game from the Iowa State side, even more from
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: the Utah side, they are figuring things out. All of
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: their best players left, all of them left. Iowa State
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: has been projected to be for a lot of people,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: the worst team in the conference. That one might be
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: a blowout, but it's on the road. It's the first
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: true road game that you've got, so tough, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I do think though there will definitely be hiccups in
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: the first kind of couple weeks for Utah. I think
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: as they transition from you know, adjacent Beck offense to
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: a Kevin mcgiven offense, and obviously Scaley taking over as
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: head coach, and now you've got Colton Swan calling the defense.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Forty eight seventy two says on the over under question,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: I asked with the leading receiver, he says, over on
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: yards under on TDS. That's that's probably a reasonable place
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: to put it. Another over under question I have written
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: down and I wanted to put it out there because
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: I think it's far more relevant. The leading receivers performance
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: is obviously fun to watch. That person is going to
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: become a fan favorite. That person is going to become
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: a star, so to speak, in this program. That person
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: is going to hopefully, you know, get a little bit
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: of extra nil love somewhere along the way, probably at
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: the end of the season, the revenue share, cash love, whatever.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: That's a new part of the game. We have to
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: get used to Utah's passing game. The overall offense, this
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: is what we're talking about with two quarterbacks, with Devin
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: dan Pier healthy, with a brand new offensive line, maybe
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: giving you plenty of time, maybe not. With the wide
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: receiver Cord that Morgan Scalley and several other people have
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: been crazy optimistic about what does the Utah passing games
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: production look like the overall passing game production. I set
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: the number at two hundred and thirty one point five
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: yards per game. Last year, Utah in the Big Twelve
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Conference accounted for in the passing game two hundred and
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: sixteen point point six yards passing. Last season, they were
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: throwing the ball twenty nine times a game on average.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: And we've gone through individually, we've gone through the games individually.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: That average is actually not hyper indicative of what each
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: game plan showed. There were games where they threw fifteen passes.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: There were games where it was like, you know what,
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: we're just gonna use our offensive line, we're gonna win
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, and we're gonna get through this
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: thing and we're not gonna ask anybody to do anything crazy.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: So the average is kind of thrown off. But the
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: two hundred and sixteen yards of offense in the passing
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: game was eleventh in the Big twelve Conference. I'll say this,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: If Utah has the eleventh best passing game in the
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Big twelve Conference this year, that's that's that's bad. Okay,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: that's not going to be good for anyone. That's going
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: to be a situation where we are talking about a
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: less than ideal outcome for Utah football the way that
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Kevin mcgiven likes to call plays. You want it to
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: look better than that. You want it to be much, much,
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: much better than that. I don't think you need Baylor numbers.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: I don't think it has to be three hundred and
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: ten yards a game with a Baylor average last year.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: I don't even think it needs to be two ninety
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: for TCU or just shy of two eighty for Texas Tech.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: The top five go three ten, two ninety, two eighty,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: and then two fifty five for Arizona, dropping all the
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: way down to two thirty one for Cincinnati. That's the
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: top five passing offenses by yardage last season in the
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Big Twelve Conference. Now, Utah get some credit for even
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: though they were eleventh in yards, they were up there.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: They were number six in touchdowns thrown. So it was
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: actually kind of aggravating for me last year with the
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: offensive line that Utah had. Or you could move the ball,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: move the ball, march down the field, moved the ball,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: move the ball, and then in the red zone you
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: would have to sometimes rely on weird motions and tunnel
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: screens and like some less direct approach to get the
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: ball across the goal line. It was a maddening quirk
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: of a dominant offensive line last year that they didn't
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: have as great of a finish rate as I thought
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: they should. And we're really nitpicking here because last year's
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: offense was prolific. So Utah was sixth in the conference
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: last year in touchdown receptions and touchdowns thrown. They were
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: eleventh in yardage. And if you're eleventh in yardage this year,
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it comes out in the wash
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: a little bit if you're flirting with the top five
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: in touchdowns score. But that also means that you're getting
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: down the field with your run game, and we're not
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: gonna rely on that quite as much in the twenty
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: twenty six season. I don't think, because you have a
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: less established offensive line, you have a coordinator who quite frankly,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: just prefers to pass a little bit more, and you've
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: got more weapons in the passing game. So I'm asking
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: for an extra fifteen twenty yards per game from the
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: passing game this year? Can they improve that much to
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: thirty one and a half in the passing game for
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Utah Football's offense this year, that would put them in
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: the top five in yards per game. That would beat
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: last year Cincinnati team two thirty one and a half.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Top five passing offense. I think makes you the contender
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: type of team that you want to be this year.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: If you're producing that much in the passing game, if
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: you're balancing that out with you know, two hundred ish
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: two hundred plus yards in the run game, you're flirting
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: with four fifty five hundred yards of offense every single game.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: You're cooking with gas. That's that's what you need in
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: order to win a conference championship or challenge for a
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: conference championship. You need your offense to be as balanced
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: as possible. But that comes with more production in the
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: passing game this year, because if you're asking the offensive
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: line to do it all for you, like you did
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: sometimes last year, you're gonna be left wanting without the
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: same level of talent. I think this is a talented group.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: I think this is a group that is going to
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: really grow into itself. And that conversation, the conversation we're
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: having now about I don't know this offensive line. I
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: don't know. I think it reduces as the season goes on.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: Agreed, I agree with you on that.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: However, it's there for a reason, and I don't believe
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: that Morgan Scalley, Kevin mcgiven, everyone involved in this, Jordan Gross,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: everyone involved in these these schemes. I don't think everyone's
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: going to come into these games in the Big Twelve
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Conference and say, all right, we're putting our knuckles in
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: the dirt, we're leaning forward, and we're running thirteen play
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: drives on the ground. Can you be a top five
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: passing offense? Is effectively the question that I'm asking you
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: in this twenty twenty sixth season. Two thirty five and
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: a half would have been good enough for top five
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five. By the way, it would have
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: been top eight top it would have been ninth in
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, because, again for whatever reason, the Big
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Twelve was a far more pass heavy league in twenty
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: twenty four than it was in twenty twenty five. The
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: number nine offense, Number nine passing offense in twenty twenty
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: four was actually BYU, who averaged just under the number
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about they average two thirty one point three.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: So if you slid in above them at two thirty
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: five and a half, if you hit the over, there
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: your top five. Maybe not this year, maybe it's top six,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: top seven, but you get what I'm saying. You're taking
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: the over the undersac ooh. Because again, this is less
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: related to individual performance. This is less related to, well,
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: who do I have a big body number one pass
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: receiving option. You mentioned Creed Whittemore. I haven't mentioned his
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: name yet today, right, Kyrie Schulz, Brydon Pagan, Creed Whittemore,
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Larry Simmons, Daniel Bray is gonna be involved in the
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: passing game. Nate Johnson's gonna be involved in the passing game.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Fill in the blank on whatever tight end, Well it's
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Will Monny, or it's it's Noah Benny or whoever. Like,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: the tight ends are gonna be involved somehow. Hunter Andrews
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: is going to be catching passes, throwing passes, He's gonna
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: be doing all that stuff. So we do we think
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: that this Utah offense averages two thirty one point five
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: or better in the passing game through the course of
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: a twenty twenty six season over under Oh.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, like you said, I with the old line too,
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: like we got to watch games as it kind of
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: the season develops and this and starts. But from from
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: our conversation now, I'm gonna say, Shoot, that's tough. I'm
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: gonna say I'm gonna say I'm gonna take the over
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: as well on this, I think mcgevin has some more
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: of a spread offense.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's a little bit of an unfair
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: question to ask because it's, in my opinion, it's a
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: little bit of a hey, do you think this offense
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: is going to produce what they need to produce? Because
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: I think if you're not there, if you're not I
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: said it there on purpose. I think if you're not there,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: our projections for an eight nine, ten win season become
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: a six seven, eight win season instead, because your offense
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: is not carrying the load that it needs to. If
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: you're passing game with a healthy quarterback or even a
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: healthy backup and this wide receiving corps, if you're not
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: getting anything out of it, if we're just talking about it, uh, springball,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: look at this, look at all these options. Look look
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: at the creativity of Kevin McGibbon. Look what he did
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: with really you know, made more with less leimonade with
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Lemons at Utah State last year, by the way, for
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: comparative purposes, because we're not It's not apples and apples, right,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: it's a different coordinator, it's a different offense. Last year,
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Utah State averaged two hundred and forty seven yards a game,
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: so two thirty one would be below what Kevin mcgigny
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: was able to do with Utah State with Bryson Barnes
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: as a starting quarterback. I love the pig farmer more
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: than most people ever will. Devin dan Pierre is a
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: much better quarterback. Bert Ficklin already in his limited experience,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: has proven to be a much more impressive thrower than
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Bryson Barnes. It just wasn't his forte all the time,
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: and I love that kid. He was not a pure
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: passing quarterback, and neither of these guys are. But if
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: you're if you're getting what you should out of one
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: or both of these quarterbacks, I think two thirty one
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: and a half to thirty two, two thirty five, two
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: fifty even very attainable and probably the minimum you need
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: to succeed in this Big twelve Conference in twenty twenty six.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I want to back up to the
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: red zone as well, as you mentioned at the beginning
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: of the segment where you know it's you know, there's
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: a lot of motion, there's like a lot of weird
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: motion going on and mostly red zone efficiency was not
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: the greatest with uh, this Utah offense last season, and
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: you know, more rushing with way Shaun Parking Parker and
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: Nakaria Rodgers and Devin dan Peer. I mean, Devin dam
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: Peer had ten rushing touchdowns last year, right, twenty four
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: touchdowns total of fourteen passing, ten rushing. So if you're
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: really looking at red like this year's offense, you gotta
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: like look at the red zone as well on how
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: proficient that's going to be for Utah. As you know,
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: this offense is completely new. We have a new offensive coordinator,
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: Kevin mcgiven. We don't know what kind of offense that
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: he wants to run with Devin dan Pierre. We really
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: don't know until we actually watch you know, this week
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: one matchup against Idaho than Arkansas and Utah State and
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: we go into conference play with Iowa State, Kansas it's
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: just it's like it's mind boggling to see how this
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: offense is going to rock and roll to me and
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: just the amount of production we're going to get from
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: damp Pierre and Bird And you know how much is
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: damp p you're gonna use his legs? Is it gonna
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: be more protective of his body? We can see more,
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: you know, throwing. That's like the type of questions I have,
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: like asking, like Creed Witmore start stepping up into Ryan
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: David's spot with the slot and you have Pagan on
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: the outside, you got uh Kyrie on the other side,
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: Like you can't you can't really tell until you actually
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: watch a game this season.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: All right. Uh, that's that's the over unders have we
• 48:43
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• 48:45
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• 48:48
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• 48:51
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• 48:55
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  Speaker 3: international expansion ten games to be played outside the United States.
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  Speaker 3: They just voted to approve that this this will be
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six, there are nine international games, eight
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: league run games and a London game as part of
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• 51:54
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• 51:59
  Speaker 3: not mandate that, but the Jacksonville Jaguars came to a
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: sponsorship agreement of partnership with Wembley Stadium and outsourced one
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: of their home games, effectively confusing it without the NFL
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  Speaker 3: being like, hey, this is we're putting this on the slate.
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  Speaker 3: So we know that these owners love a good revenue stream,
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: and we know that there are ties to London and
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Wembley Stadium in the Jacksonville Jaguars organization with Shad Khan.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: So they've got an international game mandated by the league
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: and then one that they basically volunteered for themselves. So
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: nine total international games. Melbourne, Australia, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil,
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: London three times, Paris, Madrid, Munich, Mexico City. This continues
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: to grow, and now there's rumor and scuttle butt that eventually,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: perhaps and international super Bowl will be a thing. I
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: don't like that idea at all. The Super Bowl is
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: a quintessentially American event. It is an American holiday. As
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: much as the international community is starting to embrace American football,
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: I just don't see how you can justify taking the
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl outside of the United States of America. And
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: Roger Goodell was asked about that and he said, well,
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: I would like to see before we give another city,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: an international city, a super Bowl, I want to see
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: them have an NFL franchise in that city first. And
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: of course that leads to the line of questioning like, wait,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: so you're going to put a team outside the United States,
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: And his response to that is absolutely no doubt. There
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: will be teams outside teams outside the United States eventually.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: Now we've talked about London ad nauseum. There are Canadian
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: cities that are effectively American cities when it comes to sports,
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Toronto being the first and foremost, Vancouver being the next
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: one like it. There's a direct flight from Salt Lake
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: to Vancouver, BC that's two and a half hours long.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: It's not bad to go there. Mexico City is a
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: little bit more of a haul. There's infrastructure issues there,
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: There's an altitude problem there that you would have to
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: deal with if you're an NFL team, London is awesome,
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: but no team wants to fly there, especially West Coast teams.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: They don't want to fly there and then play again
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: the next week after the return. But the NFL, as
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: an eyes, international expansion, continues to push towards the reality
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: of not just games overseas, not just games in different countries,
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: but franchises, teams expansion into foreign markets. We're not talking
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: about basketball, we're not talking about MLS soccer, talking about
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: NFL football here. To me, it is too much. It
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: is not a wise move. There's a reason why I'm
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: doing a radio show instead of working in an NFL
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: front office making millions, and Roger makes like fifty five
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: million dollars a year or whatever. I guess my limiting
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: beliefs about who is going to truly adopt American football
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: are too strong, and I think it should remain here
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: within our borders. But what can I say? All Right,
• 55:37
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  Speaker 3: A couple of great points brought in in my last
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: segment by people on the text line, I don't mind
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: an International super Bowl at all though. See it's not
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: like I'll ever be able to afford to go to
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: a super Bowl anyway, So what's the difference to me?
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: Maybe there is a world in which and International super
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Bowl is actually cheaper to attend. World Cup tickets cheaper
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: overseas than they were in the United States. Taylor Swift tickets.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: What was her tour called, Zach, I know, you know,
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: don't pretend you don't know what it was called.
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: I think it's like called the Aras Tour or something.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: Come on, I think it was called don't you know
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: what it was called? It was called aristro Okay, there
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: we go, the Aras Tour. My older brother did this
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: with his daughters. He flew them to Poland and had
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: one of his Polish friends buy them tickets, because that
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: was the rule that Taylor Swift set up. You had
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: to have like a Polish billing address, you have to
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: have a European billing address to buy European show tickets.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: And they got to see a Taylor Swift show go
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: on an international vacation for cheaper than it would have
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: been for him to buy tickets to her DC show
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: or her New York show.
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I appy sure, sure I had a family friend
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: do that too.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, so maybe maybe I'm all maybe I'm dead wrong
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: on this seventy eight twenty two. Maybe this is actually
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: going to open up the Super Bowl to us regular pleabs.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: We're going to be able to afford a ticket overseas,
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: but we can't do it here in the United States.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: Like your I like your positive mindset. Shane also says, man,
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: I can barely afford a ticket, including playing hotel and
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: game to even see a Super Bowl. The NFL has
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: got plenty of money without branching out. Kind of sad
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: has gotten out of control. It really has gotten out
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: of control. I don't know when I've always I mean,
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: we've been talking about this. I've been on the radio
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: now for full time for seventeen years, and we've been
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: talking about some form of this for most of those years,
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: about pricing out the fans. I remember when I was
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: working in San Francisco and Levi Stadium was one of
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: the first places that introduced I don't think they introduced
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: personal seat license fees, but they had the first like
• 58:38
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• 58:44
  Speaker 3: been trying to buy tickets, you pay for the license
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: to then pay for your seat. You want to reserve
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: your season tickets. At that time at Levi's it was
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: like between five and fifty grand and a seat, And
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: there were all these people that had generational, lifelong commitments
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: to Candlestick Park tickets who were just like, yeah, I
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: can't afford this because at Candlestick they raised our ticket
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: prices every year, but there weren't these weird seat licensing fees.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: And the niners in the new Levi Stadium did this,
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: and that's not a new stadium anymore, right, And it
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: was like a crazy amount of money and they were
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: just capitalizing on all the Silicon Valley companies that were
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: willing to, you know, gobble up entire sections worth of
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: tickets for millions of dollars so they could take their
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: clients and they could entertain people that way. So the
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: whole thing that conversation was happening fifteen years ago. Are
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: you pricing out the fan? The NFL has priced the
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: average fan out of a Super Bowl? They have. We
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: during the World Cup this year, right, you get down
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: to the final few games, you get down to the
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: championship game, how many teams had fans that were just like, yeah,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: I uh, I have no idea how I'm gonna live
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: after this, but I needed to be here. I spent
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: thirty grand on this ticket. I spent twenty grand on
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: this trip. I spent whatever. The pricing your fans out
• 1:00:16
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• 1:00:20
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• 1:00:23
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• 1:00:28
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• 1:00:32
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• 1:00:34
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• 1:00:39
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• 1:00:43
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  Speaker 5: I never wasn't a frat?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I was never in a frat either. Spence checkets
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  Speaker 3: Penn State frats and Utah frats a little bit different.
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  Speaker 3: I think. Did you see this story about the Penn
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  Speaker 3: State bros. It's like something out of a movie. They
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  Speaker 3: Penn State, and as far as we could tell so far,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: I don't think any Penn State athletes have been implicated here.
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  Speaker 3: But Penn State has a fraternity that just got busted
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: fourteen charges. Oh sorry, it's fourteen different people charged in
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: a cocaine trafficking ring tied to Penn State fraternity houses.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: They were the alleged to leaders, Agustin Abbatiello I mean
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: that just sounds like some mobster son that went to
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: Penn State and Thomas Robinson. We're allegedly making regular trips
• 1:03:17
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• 1:03:21
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  Speaker 3: houses were allegedly supplying cocaine basically to the whole campus
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: and beyond. And this goes back years. There's a bunch
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: of people involved. I did not maximize my I did
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: not maximize my college experience. And when it comes to
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: the partying, Okay, I'm not a big party animal. I
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: don't do drugs, I don't drink I never have, so
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: this whole thing is completely lost on me. But law
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: enforcement was able to track these guys down. And part
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: of the reason they were able to do so is
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: because instead of making it all cash and like shady
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: deals under the table and stuff, they were taking payments
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: for cocaine on cash app on venmo on payment apps.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: Large payments coming through the apps create red flags for
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: regulatory bodies and things like that. So felony charges for
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: a bunch of young frat bros at penn State University
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: wild times once again in State College, Pennsylvania, and it
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: just shows how boring a lot of us are here
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: in Utah and beyond.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: Grugguling one oh one. Don't use venmo or cash up.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, wouldn't be my first move.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: As long as we're in the not really much of
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: a sports story category, my eldest daughter start at school today.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: Shout out to the Salt Lake City School District and
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: several others that are having their first day of school today.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: Detroit Public Schools, the Detroit Public Schools Community District is
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: expanding a new initiative they have called Perfect Attendance Pays.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: High school students can earn up to one hundred dollars
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: per week and middle school students fifty dollars per week
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: for flawless attendance during designated periods. What where was this?
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: Where was this? Where was this? My parents were like,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: you're going to school.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: Shut up.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: I I didn't have perfect attendance through middle school in
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: high school. But I had like the aggravatingly almost perfect
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: attendance where you missed like literally one day in the
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: whole year. If I was sick, I still went to school,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: which now is very frowned upon and probably should have
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: been back then. But it was like, the only time
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: I missed school ever was if we were had like
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: some crazy important event involving my grandparents. Then maybe I
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: got like one extra day off school on the front
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: or tail end of an already scheduled school break.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I only missed school if I was sick,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: or I had a water pool tournament because sometimes still
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: is right, all day tournaments, or I think there's one
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: time I missed school because we were uh we had
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: state that day, because but.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: That still counts as attendance, right because you're doing a
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: school like you excuse though it's an excused absence. Yeah,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: these kids one hundred dollars a week. I mean, I
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: know that doesn't go as far as it did back
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: in the nineties and early two thousands when I was
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: still in school, but one hundred bucks a week when
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: you're a kid is a million dollars. Oh yeah, where
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: was this? Where was this? And And by the way,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: where is Detroit Public School coming up with this money?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: That's a good point.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: My high school had, like I don't know, two thousand
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: kids at it. Two thousand kids make it a hundred
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: bucks a week. Let's say that only fifteen hundred of
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: them go to school every single day. That's still a
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: lot of money.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: That's early fifteen hundred dollars, isn't it?
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: And it doesn't go the entire school year. The program
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: does not operate through the entire one hundred and eighty
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: day school year. They've been concentrated into weekly cycles from
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: January through March, a stretch with Detroit's winter weather and
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: seasonal illness can make getting students into classrooms especially difficult. Okay,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: so right now you're not being offered one hundred bucks
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: a week or fifty bucks a week high school and
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: middle school designation there. Right now, you're not being offered
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: that extra money to go to school on perfect attendance.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: But when it gets cold and blustery and terrible in Detroit,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: you can make one hundred bucks a week. I mean
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: that is hold on, there's there are ten weeks where
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: they're incentivizing students this way, you go to school every
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: day that you're supposed to go to school from January
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: fifth to March twentieth. There, you've got at least one
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: holiday in there. You've got Martin Luther King Junior days
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: in that, right, so you get one yet too, Okay,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: so there's two. There's two holidays in there. So you
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: have to go to school for forty eight days consecutively
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: and you can get one thousand bucks. That's the easiest
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: thing in the world if a high school kid.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: You're joking me, Man, that's that's so weird.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: Zach, you still look young enough. I don't you need
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: a twenty one jump street this business. Go undercover, go
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: back to Detroit High School. Snag yourself a thousand bucks.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: I min need to do that. I need to do that. Also,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: shout out my mom. She's a teacher up in Park
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: City at Wild Then, so I went to her for
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: her first day as well.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: All right, shout out to your mom. By the way,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: you think the teachers love this, I should ask me.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: I should text my mom right now and ask your ship.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: Ask your mom. The drastically underpaid teachers who can't get
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: anyone to even like buy them pencils for their their classrooms.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: You can't get paper, you can't get ink for the printer.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: And now they're just like, yeah, but we're gonna pay
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: these students just to show up to school. What are
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: the One of the most aggravating things for me as
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: a parent in this generation of being a parent is
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: that there's an expectation that what was the bare minimum
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: for us is now something that you should be rewarded
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: for in these new generation of kids, Like the reward
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: is supposed to be you get to play d ball,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: you get to play Little League baseball, you get to
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: play Little League soccer. That is the reward. That's the
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: thing that you're excited about doing. And yes, we all
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: had our orange slices and we all had our our
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: little like fruit roll ups after the thing, right, the
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: parents would volunteer and whatnot, But that wasn't the thing.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: That wasn't the reason you did it. Now it feels
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: like it is. I don't know, man, I just don't know.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: One hundred dollars a week, how much money would you
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: have made eight seven seven three five three zero seven
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: hundred forty eight days consecutively, that's what you have to
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: do in uh, the ten week period that they're looking for.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: In Detroit, the Athletic put out an interesting article I
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: want to address here in the Daily Dump about the
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: top or the most interesting newcomers in every conference at
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: all the power for schools, and most of them they're
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: talking about the top newcomers on the field BYU. For example,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: K dou Luave, the Cal linebacker transfer, played his high
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: school ball here in Utah. One hundred plus tackles last
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: year filled the stat sheet for Cal uh one of
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: the He was the top linebacker in the transfer portal
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: this offseason, and BYU snagged him. I think when you
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: worry about the absence of Jack Kelly, I mean K
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: dou Luave is a productive player like Jack Kelly. I
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: think he's actually a better athlete than Jack Kelly. So
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: you went from NFL linebacker to NFL linebacker basically at BYU.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: So no brainer there. Utah's top newcomer, according to the
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: Athletics article about the Big twelve newcomers, is a guy
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: that we've talked about a lot on the show today.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: It is Kevin mcgiven, the offensive coordinator who came down
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: from Utah State and spent some time at San Jose
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: State and has been all over the place, Weaver state whatever.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: The Athletic article names Kevin mcgiven as the most intriguing
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: newcomer for the University of Utah, and look, there were
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: plenty of player options there that you could have talked about, right.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: There are plenty of incoming transfers that are going to
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: be impactful for this team because your top top producers
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: from the run game are guys that are back your
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: newcomers on the offensive line, which is a position of
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: great intrigue here. The only obvious incoming transfer that I
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: think has a chance to start is Cedric Jefferson. The
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: true freshman Kelvin Obot I think has a chance to start.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: He's massively intriguing. But the Athletic decided to go non
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: player route with Utah and say that the most interesting,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: the most intriguing incoming newcomer is you don't have to
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: say incoming newcomer, by the way, that is redundant. They
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: named Kevin mcg as that guy, so I kind of
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: like because he has a real opportunity here to do
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: exactly what Jason Beck did last year, where there's a
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: lot of worry and hand ringing and wondering if like
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: a smaller school coming up. Is this guy going to
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: be the right guy? Et cetera, et cetera, And he
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: was emphatically he was. This one is absolutely incredible. If
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: you are a dog lover, this story here in the
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: Daily Dune, brought to you by Valley Plumbing. We all
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: know that Kirk krb Street has duped the world into
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: believing that he needs to have his dog around with
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: him everywhere. And there are some people who are like,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: stop bringing the dog on the field places. You don't
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: need the dog on the private plane, you don't need
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: the dog on the game day set. I can say
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: this right as a lifelong dog owner. If you are
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: in a situation where your work allows you to bring
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: your dog to work, you bring your dog to work
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: until somebody tells you no. You can't have your dog
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: around so much. You maximize how much you can have
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: your dog around. And I don't care if you're a
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: college football fan who's like, I'm sick of seeing that
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: Golden retriever everywhere. Beautifully bred animal, well groomed, very well
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: behaved Peter HERB Street. I don't know if I love
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: the name Peter for a dog's I like, when you
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: give dogs like just regular human names, right, But I
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: want them to be like old people names. I want
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: it to be like a grandpa's name. Name your dog, Hank. Okay,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: name your dog Larry. I had a dog named Jerry.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: I named him after Jerry Sloan Okay. I had a
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: dog named Denzel. I named him after Denzel Washington is
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: just like you would name your son Peter. You can't
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: have a son named like Parker and a son named
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: Jeff and a dog named Peter. The dog's name has
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: to be different enough from your kid's name, in my opinion.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: Kirkherb Street, but he's a staple on college game day
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: and he has now landed a paid endorsement deal with Hurts.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: It's an nil deal. Peter Herbstreet the dog as a
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: Hurtz endorsement deal. Now he's not an NCAA athlete, so
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: it's not real nil. But Peter joins the Hurtz Gold Squad,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: which is a marketing campaign that already features thirty Golden Retrievers,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: and he'll pick up the title of their College Football Insider,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: Peter's Golden Picks, brought to you by Herts. I like
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: that that sounds catchy, and he is being paid for this.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: So this dog flies with Kirk herb Street between Bristol
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: or wherever he's at and the college game day set
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: right on a private jet and eats better than all
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: of us do. Also now is getting paid to be
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: an endorser for Hurts.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: The dog is making more money than the both of us.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: The dog is making more wider than we are, is
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: eating better than we are, is traveling better than we are,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: is better groomed than either of us are. But let's
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: be honest, he's probably better looking than both of us.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: Peter herb Street's got it going.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 5: Pretty well right now, and he's been on the mic
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: in a week zero college football game.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: Wow. For Pete's sake, it used to be Ben. That's right,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: he brought his dog Ben. Wow. I mean Ben, Rest
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: in peace, Ben. He died in November twenty twenty four.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: I also would like to talk to Kirk kurb Street
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: about he's got four Golden Retrievers. Why does only one
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: get to travel with them? That's a good question ask
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: he was a little bit messed up. I know, a
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: little bit.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to have a dog for like McAfee
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: and and Saban and they all get to they all
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: get to have golden retriever.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, Kirk kurb Street is a golden retriever, so it
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: makes sense that he would have a golden retriever. You can't,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: Pat McAfee, He's not a golden retriever. Pat McAfee, you
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: need to get some dog that people. It's like, what's
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: a dog that people either love or hate? Like a
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: French bulldogs say, like a French chiet like people either
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: love or hate Frenchies. That's what Pat McAfee needs to
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: have on set with them. You need the dogs to
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: be emblematic of the owner. You need them to be
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: representative of the owner. I agree eight seven seven three
• 1:19:03
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• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: Are you giving? Which breed of dog? I guess all.
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  Speaker 3: the goings on as football season approaches. Jem, welcome back.
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  Speaker 3: How are you?
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: I don't believe it any but I love Wonderball as well.
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  Speaker 4: That was great. That was great. I come to you
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: live outside the student Athlete building and b why you
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: wear practices? Finish interviews have been had and I'm rarely
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: had the golf court like sit on that go back
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: up to our buildings. Day is one of those days.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: I think it's the first ever. So Whndy, I apologize,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: but I'm feeling, you know, privileged that I'm able to
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: just get a golf cart right here. The reason being
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: Education Week is this week. I don't know if you
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: know that is John, basically a bunch of classes for
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: people this week. Parking is ridiculous, so we've had to
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: stay at our building and come down and then return.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: It's a whole thing, but it's a first world problem.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: Someday someone is going to make a lot of money
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: figuring out how to solve parking problems on college campuses.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: I know, right it should be us, jerem. So we'll
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: have to brainstorm that.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: Shout up to Utah bally that once you get in
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: you are indoors all the way the whole campus inside
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  Speaker 4: in the winter. That is money. Shout out you you.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah wow, I didn't even realize that. Okay, well done, Wolverines.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: Okay, some prices got it going on.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: I'll start here because you just got to watch a
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: little bit of practice. Is practice notably different with this
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: group from previous years? Is you know, this is a
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: very talented team. They're a very cohesive team in terms
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: of lack of turnover and things like that from a
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: player personnel standpoint especially, and sometimes when you're watching, because
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: you've watched a lot of football in your day's jerem,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: you notice that there's, oh, there's something a little bit
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: different about this group. Is that showing itself with BYU
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: right now?
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: I think it is. And it's a keen question because
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: given the experience and the quality on both sides of
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: the ball, frankly, there is some good back and forth.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: The defense wins the offense wins. But as we know
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: in fault.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: Camp, where the defense can't.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: Fully tackle in certain situations, when you run the ball
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: looks like a good run, it's like, well, that might
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: have been like a ser yard gain in real situations.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: Yet this Boy offense at times looks very explosive. Aaron
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: Rodgers got the creativity going. We saw a little bit
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: of that today, even in the media viewing portion, which
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: surprised me a little bit. Typically it's pretty vanilla, so
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: I want to keep that close to the s. But
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: during the portion we saw today, which was a little
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: bit longer than normal, which was nice. It was about
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: twenty or thirty minutes. A lot of chrisp good execution
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: from both sides of the ball. The offense was good.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: Special teams that kicked some field goals. They even surrounded
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: Boy's kicker Matthiah's done. A few guys lifted each other up.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: Defense make it to try and you know, get in
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: the way of a potential you know, pass of the ball.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: It was it was fun, yet it was it was
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: light and buoy made a ton of plays. Offense looked good.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: Barret Bakmeyer's got this thing ripping and roaring. I don't
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: know that, you know, it could have been much better
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: if you know, Chase Robertson, Parker Kingston were out there
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: like Buoi doesn't care that, Hey, we lost certain guys
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: a wide receiver not They're proceeding like we're gonna make
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: plays with the guys we have and we feel like
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: they're good. And so yeah, I really enjoyed the efficiency
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: and the christness of today's practice.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: I was asking earlier on the show about some over unders.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: I like to set these expectations for Utah football heading
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: into seasons, and we were looking at some of the
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: numbers from the Big Twelve Conference in twenty twenty four
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: versus in twenty twenty five. And I didn't know this
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: until I was looking it up for the purposes of
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: the show that, for whatever reason, in twenty twenty five,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: passing as a conference kind of went down. There were
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: not as many prolific receivers. There weren't as many guys
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: with you know, multiple touchdown or like double digit touchdown receptions.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: There weren't as many thousand yard receivers in the conference,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: and teams were averaging fewer yards through the air. Last
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: year was more of a run heavy year. Twenty twenty
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: four was kind of a pass heavy year, and I
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: get there's a natural ebb and flow to these things.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: Looking at the University of Utah, I think this is
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: going to be more of a pass heavy year for
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: the University of Utah because of mcgiven's tendencies, because some
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: player personnel, because the offensive line, et cetera. Would you
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: say that this year will be more or less pass
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: centric for BYU than last year.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: That's a good question. Because Aaron was pretty fifty to fifty.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: There's like a fifty two to forty eight split typically
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: where we're just going to run a touch more. I
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: would think that the addition of Fione Molla to the
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: regular mix, where he just played kind of three or
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: four games last year, that will that will give by
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: the opportunity to run effectively and run as much as
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: they want on first second down a lot, yet by
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: just proceeding in the pass game like there's like I said,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: there's no difference, and that they have explosive dudes down
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: the field and they have all kinds of pass catchers.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: So I think it's probably going to be similar to
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: what Aaron normally does. Yet bear like here's the vibe
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: I get. It's it's like weird and crazy to say, hey, bear,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: do more than you did last year passing with less
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: perceived talent. Yet I get the sense of be he's
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: gonna throw for more than three thousand yards like last
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: year the dude ran for five hundred yards. He's the
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: first true freshman to do both those things. By the way,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: a three k pass a five hundred yard rush year
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: that had never happened by a true freshman. So it's like, wait,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: we're asking this dude to do more. I think he
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: rushes for fewer yards individually. I mean I could see
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: him in the thirty two to thirty five hundred grains passing,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: which is wild given the turnover of weapons. But I
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: think the Cougars have guys that fit their scheme really well.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: You used an important phrase there, perceived talent, right, Because
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: there's established talent, and then there's hey, we think these
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: guys are good, and then there's sometimes where you're wrong
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: about you think these guys are good. Right. The perceived
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: level of offensive weaponry at Utah right now, for example,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: is high. It's perceived, though it's not reality until they
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: actually play it out. Given what you just talked about
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: with Chase Roberts was well established. Parker Kingston established himself
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: last year, but he was he's obviously not available to
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: the team this year. So when we're talking about the
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: perceived either uptick or downturn based on exactly that perception,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: who is that going to be centered around. Who are
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: the like three or four names that are going to
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: be compared to Roberts and Kingston to say or this
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: is the health or lack thereof of the BYU receiving game.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: Jojo Phillips was kind of your wide receivers three behind
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: those two. He kind of inserts himself around wide receiver
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: one as the most experienced guy coming into your little
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: banged up last year with his shoulder, he comes in
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: with the most experienced Kyler Casper comes in from Morgan
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: to that six catches in four years. They're largely banged up,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: a lot of talent obviously at Oregon six six frame,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: good hands played in the NFL, A dude that was
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: a four star coming out of high school. Crazy athletic,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: he's feeling healthy and dangerous. Then there's Tiger Backmeyer, a
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: guy that played at Stanford, played at BYU, he had
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: seven grabs for fifty nine. I wouldn't be surprised if
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: he didn't have twenty grabs this year. Reggie Frischneck red
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: shirted last year. Two years ago, he led all of
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: JUCO in receiving at fourteen touchdowns to lead Junior College
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: down at Snow. But the name that people are kind
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: of talking about the most is a guy that like, whoa,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: this guy has really popped and he's going to play
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: a ton. Legend Glasger, the true freshman from Lehigh High
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: School six one, one seventy five, great hands, great route running,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: great speed. Once he gets the ball, it is tough
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: to tough to chase him down. He has been anointed
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: by Fetisitakian Springs like, Hey, this is the guy that's
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: going to play a lot, and when you watch him
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: in practice, he got thrown in with the ones in
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: spring and now he is making an impact. First cousin
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: of Isaiah Glasger Isaiah joked, I want to give him
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: to his welcome to college football moment over the middle. Uh,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: he's been protected so far. Legend hasn't had that engagement
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: with the first cousin quite yet, but people are very
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: excited about him and then kind of waiting in the wings.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: There you got another freshman from Portland, Oregon, Terrence Saryon
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: who they like in the flot as well. And then
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: Jared Pula once he gets healthy, could be a guy
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: that does some damage of four start alone peak. That
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: was a big signing. Hopefully Kannakua is kind of in
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: the mix as well. But those are kind of your guys.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: And that's a lot of names I just said. I
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: think the combo of Walker Lyons, Roger Sally pocket tight
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: end and Casper Phillips, Bachmeyer, Frischneck and Glasker. I think
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: that who's catching you know, three thousand yards worth you know,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: l J. Martin and Cioni more on the backfield as well.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: For BYU this year, do they need to score This
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: is a dumb question, but it's not Do they need
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: to score more touchdowns in the passing game to achieve
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: what they want to achieve because obviously how you get
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: into the end zone is immaterial relative to you know,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: like you just have to get into the end zone.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: They only scored fifteen They only fifteen passing touchdowns last
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: year as a team.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was a lowessh number right, But when
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: Bear run for eleven, which is more than Anyboa quarterback
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: to run four in a single season, not freshman, anybody
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: Taysom Hills senior year, Steve Young senior who took second
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: in Heisman, that's quite the number. The combination with LJ.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: Martin and then again, I think is a super valuable
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: piece of this offense in a million wires. Good blocker,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: good runner, good pass catcher. Yes, you would like to
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: see Bear go up. I would love him to be
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: in the twenty five to thirty range. And again, it
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: almost feels unfair to be like, hey, I know you
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: lost Jason Parker and Carson Randa, Like can you do more?
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: It's almost crazy ass. But honestly, from what I'm hearing
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: and seeing, it feels completely attainable because Bear's progressed in
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: the offense. The number one thing he's doing better is
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: getting the ball out a little quicker. His pre snap's
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: even better. Super smart dude. And then he's got sooni
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: ma back, he's got capable hands. Are are you know
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: the Does it matter if you have a guy that's
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: like yeah, yed seventy grabs and eight hundred yards and
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: eight touchdowns. Well, what if the team produces a similar
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: better number. Does it really matter whether there's kind of
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: a number one in that situation? It does when it's
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: like okay, it's third and eight, we're at the twelve,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: we're up, you know, or we're down four, Like we
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: need a play here, Like at Boise State twenty two,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: throws a fade to Poka Nakua, he makes the play
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: to tab Boi wins game. Yes, there are moments like
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: that where you need one of these dudes to show up.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: But I'm I'm just feeling really confident. And maybe that's
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: just August excitement at this but what I'm seeing and
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: hearing is that BOI feels like they can do more
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: in the passing game with this group.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: Boyu. By the way, fifty three total touchdowns on the
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: year last year, and as I mentioned, fifteen of them
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: came in the passing game, which of course means that
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: you're you're running the ball into the end zone quite effectively.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: Jerem, That's that's the main goal I hear is cross
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: that line with the ball, whether it's passer or rush. Yeah,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: it will be interesting to see if Bear goes up.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: In fact, Aaron Roderick earlier in the summer till the
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: Solid Tribune that he wants Bear to throw for like
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: thirty plus touchdowns, so.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: Double the number.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: That's quite to ask. And he wouldn't put that number
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: out there if he didn't think the Bear would actually
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: do it. I don't think he'd put that pressure just
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: for no good reason. Aaron's very calculated in his kind
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: of Hey, if I say a number. One time he
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: said stats are for nerds, and which I took great
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: offense too. I was like, oh, that's like my stick.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: But yeah, thirty would be awesome. I think that'd be great.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: How does the haircut look? By the way, on Bear Bachmeyer.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: Bro, I call him ap Bear like assists to the president,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: like a missionary. Ap like ap Bear shows up every
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: photo day each year, and then he kind of grows
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: it out from there, and so there's a Samson element there.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: He also said on Saturday, I didn't want to quote
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: get honor coated. He was just messing around. But he
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: looks great man. Look I just saw him a few
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: minutes ago. He's the cuts fantastic.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: Okay. I don't know if this is more serious or
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: less serious. And because it's a bit of a soap
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: opera situation going on with it. There's a lot of
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: attention being paid to a real feud or a perceived feud,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: or you know, reading between the lines on some things
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: that Kilani has said and some responses from Brian Santiago
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: and things like that. It's a bit of a soap
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: opera For me. I don't think it changes BYU's ability
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: to win football games this year one iota. So It's
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: not a big story, a big enough storyline that I
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: don't want to spend a whole show on it. But
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: I understand why a lot of people are paying such
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: close attention to this. My question for you is, as
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: the attention is being paid, and as more articles are
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: written and more thought pieces are put out, is it
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: changing the situation in any way? Is it calling attention
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: to something and allowing BYU to fix it? Is it
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: making it worse? Is it somewhere in the middle. What
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: can you tell me about this soap opera that has
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: apparently developed.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, on this is I'm hoping that whatever resolution needs
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: to occur occurs before the season so that the season
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: can be the season. I think everyone's excited about football
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: I think BA fans are really invested in BYU sports
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: obviously and their pros to that. They are cons of
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: that when it comes to like that level of interest,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: which is special and unique and awesome, you know, Kalinie take,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: I think that this team doesn't really hear the noise
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: on the outside. You could also argue like, well, how
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: do you not? But I don't know that like any
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: of this situation affects like bear Bachmeyer's planning or game prep,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: like you dialed in all the like we've talked about
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: last week. The coaches and players, they are just focused
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: on the install, on the execution eventually kind of later
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: next week probably Utah Tech and so on and so forth.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: So my sense is that it's not like a rallying
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: point because it's just a well, we're in fall camp
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: and we're we're focused. My hope is, like I said, though,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: that whatever sort of resolution needs to occur, whatever that
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: looks like, hopefully happens in the next couple weeks so
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: the season can be the season. I don't want any
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: of this kind of rumors of speculation. Whatever it's the
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: sort of linger I think then it becomes more of
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: a distraction because Frankly and I think we may have
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: talked about it last week the week of the big
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: Teal title game when Klein Stocky and Penn State are
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: almost doing a deal that was very distracting. But Buy
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: lost that game one because Texas Tech is good and
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: two Bear Bachmer kind of hurts his ankle on the
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: first drive. And then three there was a lot of
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: noise that week, like guys don't know what's going on,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: and it's a weird time once the regular season ends
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: now because they're getting all kinds of like am I
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: entering the portal in a couple weeks?
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: Am I leaving?
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: It's like we still have a team here and we
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: have a championship to play for. This team is hungry, humble,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 4: ticked off to try and try and win a title,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: although they have a certain maturity about them. So yeah,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm hoping that this is more sort of for
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: the fans as opposed to in my sense talking to
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: players and coaches is these guys are pretty focused and
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: there is not a distraction, which is I could see
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: where it could be.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I when you're in football camp, and I know
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: people have some awareness of this. When you're in football camp.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: A lot of these guys, if they're seeing or hearing
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: about this at all, it's because of teammates, right like,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: because there's there's.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: Like I can't told someone something and they bring it
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: in and then.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: It's just like, oh, did you know that this is
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: going on? And then then it will become a conversation.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: But I can't even I've tried to go through in
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: my mind all the ways that this can affect like
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: the actual player, and it's like, what do I care
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: if my my boss gets along with his boss, because
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: that's what you're dealing with. Klai Satake is the center
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: of their universe right now. Do they really care if
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: he gets along with his boss? Maybe? But today it
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter. At the end of the season, to your point, right,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: maybe it would. Today it doesn't matter. They've cut practice,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: they've got lyft, they've got treatment, and then you do
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: the same thing the next day until football season is over.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: Basically yes.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: And a couple thoughts. One is I think that Kilani,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: you know those comments we talked about last week that
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: I posted where I was like, Wow, this is really
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: honest and open about the resources needed to win. I
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: think that was on July thirtieth, and that was preseason Kialani.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: That was before fall camp. That was, hey, I have
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: some thoughts on this, and he said as much a
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: little bit at media dan as well the day they
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: start fall camp. That ended, in my opinion, in his
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: mind like I am done with any thoughts relative to that,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: because last week, in week two a fall camp, at
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: photo day, those comments occurred, and that is I don't
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: want to deal with this. I want to focus on football.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: To me, that was the sense I got. So I
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: think he's like, that's that's that. I want to focus
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: on this team and football, because if he doesn't, if
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: he's talking now about it, I think that then becomes
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: the distraction. So I think he's trying to keep his
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: team dialed in here now that we're in fall camp
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: and the season, the preseason officially has begun.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to jump around too much here, but
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: Jackson Cohler is entering the portal. Is he going to
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: end up at BYU? One of the many players that
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: were awaiting a decision on whether or not five years
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: to play. Five would apply to people that just recently
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: finished their college eligibility, and obviously you've seen some football
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: players come back now basketball players coming back. Jackson Cohler
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: from Michigan State is available and in the transfer portal
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: and a BYU target. What do you know about this?
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  Speaker 4: I think he'd be a tremendous ad. He was a
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: top ten offensive and defensive percentage rebounder last year, super experienced,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: can pick and pop mail three first couple of years
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: didn't he really came on last years more with three
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: point threat obviously the great experience Michigan State would be awesome.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: Member of the church grew up down the road to
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: If I think he'd be awesome, you know, there's just
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  Speaker 4: questions of eligibility obviously, But my understanding is BYU is
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: actively pursuing a guy of his talents, right, and I
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: think he'd be a tremendous ad. And frankly, if he said, hey,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: he gets added to the roster, I go to me,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: that might swing two or three wins, like if we're
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: talking wind shares or whatever. I think he'd be very valuable.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: From an experience and skills standpoint would be why you
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: have a true center at true five man to combat
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: some of the bigger guys in college bascall still know,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: but they would have two power forwards that they brought
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: in as well as a Dean boop off the bench that,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: to me give you a real nice arsenal of muscle
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: to play quick, to get to shooters, to get out
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: and transition. That would really make this BOYU team a
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: threat to kind of stay in the top twenty most
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: of the year.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: I want to congratulate, by the way, since we're talking about,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: you know, influencing and swinging things, one where I want
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: to congratulate bear Bachmeyer on at least some Heisman momentum already,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: because I'm sure you've seen this. The Heisman Hopeful app
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: and website is allowing a little bit more engagement from
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: fans and allows fans to place the first official vote
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: for the Heisman Trophy in this year's award season. And
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: if I know anything at all about BYU fans and
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: the way the BYU fans handled things where their participation
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: could help a BYU athlete, I'm just gonna go ahead
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: and preemptively congratulate bear Bachmeyer on at least one Heisman vote.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: I think that's great because, as you know, we have
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: a name for that. We call it jimmering a poll
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: and I say that the PI fans will be all
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: over that, especially when there's nothing going on. See there's
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 4: fall camp and there's stuff going on, right, so maybe
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: there's a little bit of like, oh I didn't get
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: to it, but that's exciting, you know. Do you think
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: do you think Utah fans will jump on it for Devon?
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: What's what's going on here?
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: I think so. I think that there's plenty of Utah
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: fans that are like, yeah, I one hundred percent want
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: to jump on board and and vote for Devon Dampierre.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: But there's not as as we're aware, there's not Utah
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: fans in every state in every country. Uh, the same
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: way there are b YU fans and U toh fans
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: just don't have that same like rally sort of zeal. Yeah,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: that's a good way to put it.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it happens. Can we talk about Niners rams in Australia?
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: No Week one?
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 4: That's that's a crazy game, Like why is that important
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: game in Australia? Do you have that right? They're playing
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: in Australia week one?
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: Yes? Uh?
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 4: Well right, why are they? It's such a Are they
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: playing in an ASL stadium? Like Australian rules football.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's or whatever. Yeah, which are which double is
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: cricket grounds in most cases, so they're huge.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: They're gonna be way far away are they bringing in
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: the field. I've watched them auzi uls Football's actually pretty fun.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: I love us.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: I'm only putting that awesome of a game overseas. We
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: need to put some crap. They don't know, right, They're
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: just like, oh, two NFL teams, Why do we put
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: two crap teams in Australia. Well, this amazing NFC West matchup.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: Roger Goodell, He's gonna eventually put a team there. According
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: to Roger Goodell.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 4: You never know austral Yeah, that'd be the worst.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: If you're Aaron Donald, do you want the trip to
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: Australia or do you want to not have to deal
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: with that? And so you're like, I'll come back in
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: week eight.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: That's that's not a bad thing. I honestly at this point,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: and I've had several people reach out to me like, oh,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: Taysom Hill's retired. I said, no, he's not. He just
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: isn't with the Saints. The SATL wants to join a competitor,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: like he wants to come mid season or later. Or whatever,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: like Kyve Annoyd did this a couple weeks in the
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: season two years ago with the Ravens and then he
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: had a career year and they're in the playoffs and
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: one that so yeah, I mean, if I weren't, I'm like,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: I'll see you week two, bro.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: I if Taysom Hill could somehow end up with the
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: San Francisco forty, and it would allow me to finally
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: be unfettered in rooting for him as just like.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: A football player unchained.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: Like, because you know, it's there's always this this funky
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: relationship you have with players from the rival school where
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: even if you respect the heck out of what they
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: did for the rival school, you like, you can't buy
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: you can't buy a Steve Young jersey until he's on
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: your favorite pro team, which, yes, that works for me.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: I have a Bobby Wagner Seahawks jersey to your point, yeah.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: Right, And like Fred Warner, he's one of my favorite players,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: probably probably my favorite current player in the NFL. But
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: I love it, you know, and if Taysom Hill jumps
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: on board that too, I'm just gonna be like, all right, now,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: he's a Niner. Christian McCaffrey. All of this was like, yeah,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: we like you. We like you when you're at Stanford.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: We respect you when you're in Stanford. Oh, now you're Niner.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: Now I can love you.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: I want to hear this from youe Niner guy. So
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: back when Zach Wilson had the twenty twenty one pro
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: to a BYU and obviously that throw that went nuts
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: and everything, we did a live show. We see, you know,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: Robert Sala and the Jets walk in and then I
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: see John Lynch show up in the building and I'm like,
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: oh my gosh, the Niners won Zach. If the Jets
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: don't take it, they won him at three. To me,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: that's one of the biggest what ifs in BOE sports
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: history is what if the Jets don't take Zach and
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: Kyle Shanahan gets the opportunity to groom Zack Wilson into
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: the quarterback that Brock Purty sort of became. Do you
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: do you feel like Zach would have had success similar
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: success to Brock if he had been the Niners draft
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: pick at three instead of Trey Lance.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: I'll say this, he would he would have had more
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: success than he did with the Jets. That's not saying look,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: and I believe you would have had more success than
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: Trey Lance. Trey Lance ended up being a bush. I
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: was never even and you know this was on air
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: when I was talking. I was never like the biggest
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: believer in Zach Wilson. I thought that, you know, he
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: benefited greatly from the weird vacuum that that COVID season
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: created for you know, for him, and I'd begrudge him
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: none of that, because go get your money, do your thing,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: like maximize your potential. I also simultaneously to thinking like
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: he was never really truly a top five quarterback draft pick.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: I also hate that he was. We will never find
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: out right because his confidence got his confidence got destroyed.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: The way that that whole situation played out ended up
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: being you know, like really really damaging to the one
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: thing that quarterbacks have to have, and that is that
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: impenetrable winning psyche. So we'll never get to know. And
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: I think that it served as a real detriment to
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: his his career ultimately that he ended up there. So
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't have I wouldn't have loved if the Niners
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: had taken him instead. I would like, I didn't love
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: that they took Trey Lance either, would he be Brock
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: party I mean, I'm not a brock Purty guy necessarily,
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: so I I could I could see it being equivalent
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: to what Brock Purdy did.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's up there. And one of the questions I
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: have of what if you know, what if Brandon Davies
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 4: plays in twenty eleven on that Sweet sixteen Boa team.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Brendan he was retired by the way.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: Yes he did. What a career. He made a lot
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 4: of dough overseas. He was great, He was all over
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: the world. You know what if Taysom Hill never had
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 4: a season ending injury, especially in twenty fourteen and we
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 4: already started four to oh and he's kind of in
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: the Heuis and Conwell and boy and they had three
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: Power four opponents Power five opponents that year they beat
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 4: all three? Like what could that have been? Could he
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 4: have been kind of your Jordan Lynch Northern Illinois outsider
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 4: in the Heisman kind of finalists? You know, there's a
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: million of these what covid BYU team men's basketball, they
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: were playing like the top ten team season gets shut down.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: So these are just these are just a handful of Yeah.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: For you fans, it's just what if Cam Rising never
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: had a knee explode? Man, that's probably the one, right,
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: that's good enough. That's good enough for me. Jerem, you're
• 1:47:13
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  Speaker 3: joining me.
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  Speaker 4: Good to be on Sean.
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  Speaker 10: Appreciate you staying the name too, that have won that
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 10: a lot of people get wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think I probably got it wrong a couple
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: times before I got it right. But here we are,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: all right, we marched closer to Utah football season. What
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: questions do you still have about this roster, about this
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: team just over two weeks from kickoff?
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it's still mostly the same questions. Honestly,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 10: I think it's the offensive line. I think it's still
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 10: the defensive line. And I even think as good as
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 10: we're feeling about the pass game, I think there's still
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 10: some questions there as well too. Let's go to the
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 10: offensive line. I mean, Morgan's Galley revealed yesterday they don't
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 10: have a stunning five still yet. And it's okay to
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 10: have competitions drag on, but it's gonna be a little
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 10: bit of a concern. And the longer it takes to
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 10: figure out that five man unit, the less reps that
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 10: true five man unit gets together. They have a great
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 10: warm up game against Idahoo, but that's a real test
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 10: against Arkansas. I don't think the Razorbacks are going to
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 10: be great this year, but I do think they got
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 10: some dudes up front, and that's gonna be a physical
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 10: battle and you want to have as many reps under
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 10: your belt as possible for that one. So that's an
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 10: area I'm looking at for the offensive line, defensive line,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 10: especially defensive tackle. I think they just need to continue
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 10: to really figure out who those guys are going to be.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 10: Run defense have to be better than it ended the
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 10: regular season last year. Still sounds like there's some good
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 10: battles there. And last week we had heard that the
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 10: two minute offense wasn't up to standard quite yet. It
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 10: was a little better this week we heard, but we
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 10: also heard that the red zone offense wasn't great there too.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 10: So there's a couple areas on offense where I still
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 10: feel like this Utah team he is still coming along,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 10: and I think a lot of that probably is Devin
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 10: Danpire working with those new receivers as well as those
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 10: new offensive linemen getting things situating the run game. So
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 10: definitely still some work to be done, but let's the
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 10: advantage of fall camp. I think everyone has problems they
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 10: need to sort out right now.
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  Speaker 3: All right, if you listen to the show the last
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: few years, you know, I like to set some over
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: unders let people kind of shape expectations based on trends
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: in the conference, trends with the team, previous numbers, et cetera.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: A couple today that I said, the question at least
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: was your leading receiver, whoever you think that is jt
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: Utah's leading receiver this season? Do they go over under
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: last year's leading receiver totally? So it's seven to twenty
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: five and a half. Ryan Davis had seven hundred and
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: twenty five yards on what fifty three catches for Utah
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: last year? Does this year's leading receiver have more or
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: less over or under that number of yards? Given, of course,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: that it appears to be a deeper wide receiver room,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: you're probably gonna distribute the ball a little bit more.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: While saying that, you also have to respect the fact
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: that some of these incoming guys, these transfers, have been
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: productive at their previous stops, the upside might be higher.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: Although we all loved Ryan Davis, he wasn't the biggest,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: he wasn't the fastest. He was a crafty wide receiver. Right,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: So when I ask you that question, given all the
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: context that I know you have over or under seven
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: to twenty five point five for your leading receiver.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 10: I'm gonna go over It's like you're working in Vegas.
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  Speaker 10: So I will say it's a very good line. You
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 10: go back and forth because, as you mentioned, there are
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 10: a lot of mouths to feed in that wide receiver
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 10: room and also a lot of guys need to hand
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 10: the ball off too as well. Berd Ficklin, Daniel Brady's
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 10: the world, Parker Dan Pier's gonna run it at times.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 10: So it's definitely a tight needle. I feel like of
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 10: where this will end up. But I do feel like
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 10: Brayton Pagan's in for a big year. And it's not
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 10: just the Instagram clip we saw over the weekend at
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 10: the team scrimmage on Saturday where he's hurtling a guy
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 10: out there, and this is the first team All Conference guy.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 10: For a reason, I said numerous times on my show
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 10: this offseason, Utah did not add a proven power for starter.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 10: The closest thing to that, though, was Braydon Pagan. With
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 10: the year he had at Utah State. Hes got several
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 10: powerful opportunities and shows to stay with Kevin mcgibnon, and
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 10: I'm really excited to see what he can do. I
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 10: think when you look at his catch radius, I think
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 10: he's a good route runner. I don't think he's a
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 10: great route runner, but catch radius being a huge thing
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 10: for him, and I do think him and Dampierre have
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 10: done a good job of building that connection as much
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 10: as they could for them not even being together for
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 10: a full year. I feel like he is going to
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 10: go over seven hundred. I will say I think create
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 10: Whittemore as a shot too. That's a guy less than
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 10: one hundred last year, so some people might be curious
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 10: about that. But I think Dampier and Creed are going
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 10: to connect a lot this year too. But I do
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 10: think Pagan is going to exceed that seven to twenty five.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 10: But I'll be curious to see if he is a
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 10: true eight hundred yard receiver, even if he just gets
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 10: at seven hundred and fifty, depending on how many other
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 10: pass catchers can really step up and get involved in
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 10: this offense.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of I'm with you first of all, and
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 3: even though they're they're might be, you know, a wealth
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: of weapons I'm still of the opinion that when you
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: have depth, when you have a bunch of guys, that
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: your team is better off when there's an alpha in
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 3: the room, right when you know and everyone else knows
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: that on third down, that's the guy that you're sending
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: on the route just beyond the sticks and he's gonna
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  Speaker 3: come down with a contested catch. That when you're in
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: the red zone, he's the guy that you're throwing the
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: fade to. I like that for the players themselves. I
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  Speaker 3: like that for the quarterback. I also like what that
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: does to an opposing defense because then they're just like,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: all right, that's their best guy, that's where the ball
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: is going. But wait, is it not? Because they know
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: we're thinking that way. It just creates all these different
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  Speaker 3: scenarios that even when you have a bunch of different weapons,
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  Speaker 3: I want to know who the nuclear weapon is.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: Absolutely, And I think it'd be great if Pagan can
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  Speaker 10: truly step up and be that guy for this offense too, because,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 10: as you mentioned, Pagan becomes that guy, it makes everyone
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 10: else better. Kyrie Scholz is able to do more, Creed
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 10: win them more. Larry Simmons, Tobias Merriweather, and if Pagan
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 10: could really step up and be that true out, I
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 10: think that would be a huge thing for this Ugah offense,
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 10: for this wide receiver corps too. Devin Dan Pierre as
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 10: good as this wide receiver and this pass catcher group is.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 10: You mentioned Ryan Davis, but overall Utah did lose their
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  Speaker 10: top three pass catchers from a yard standpoint, JJ Buchanan,
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  Speaker 10: who we all thought would have a big year, and
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 10: Dallen Bentley was a revelation at the tight ends spot
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  Speaker 10: for Utah last year. So you need guys to step
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 10: up there on the outside. And I do love how
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 10: deep this room is. So there are multiple guys in
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 10: the past right A couple of years ago, Hey, Damien
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 10: Alfrid should be really good. Didn't pan out even last year.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 10: Tobias Merriweather now he's a fun X factor this year
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 10: versus it felt like Utah really needed him to be
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 10: great right away. I love how many different guys there
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 10: are in this this room, even a Ricky Johnson's the
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 10: world coming up fro Mississippi State. I think Kiku's guy
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  Speaker 10: that could be explosive too. I expect Pagan to emerge
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 10: and be that alpha, but with nice is Utah had
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 10: several guys that I think could, and I don't think
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 10: that's always been the case for this Utah wide receiver room.
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  Speaker 3: Did you what about Nate Johnson? What do you think
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: his usage looks like this year? Because he spent so
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: much time in college football kind of deciding whether or
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: not he was an athlete or he was a quarterback,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: and I think the answer finally came and it was like,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: you know what, you're an athlete. Let us use you
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: like an athlete. Let us use you like you know,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: run you some fly sweeps. Let us use you as
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: a wide receiver. It's great to see someone try to
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: master the craft of quarterbacking, but it is so so specific,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: and when you're doing even a little bit of that
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: and taking away from the time on the jugs machine,
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: when you're taking away from the route running for somebody
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 3: like him, I mean, it really set him back from
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: what he could be as a wide receiver, especially with
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: that top end speed. I maybe have higher hopes for
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: him than most people do. I'm curious your thoughts.
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  Speaker 10: Ever since he was a true freshman, I've been fascinated
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 10: by Nate Johnson when he was just getting a couple
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 10: of handoffs or coming in for a couple of plays
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 10: and to run the at quarterback. I've been fascinated by him.
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  Speaker 3: He goes to.
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  Speaker 10: Vanderbilt, if all reports were should believed, that was a
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 10: legit competition between him and Diego Bobby's So it is
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 10: crazy now that you know, from battling a future Heisman
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 10: guy to now a fifth string maybe the fifth wide receiver,
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 10: sixth on the depth chart wherever he may reside. But
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  Speaker 10: I just think with his speed, I think he's got
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  Speaker 10: to be out there for some place too. That's where
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 10: Utah I'm trying to keep guys fresh, rotate them on
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 10: and you mentioned the fly sweeps. We know Utah loves
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 10: to put a lot of these guys in motion and
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 10: put defenses in a bind. I think Daniel Bray he's
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 10: going to once again be used in a lot of
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 10: motion this year, and he's tried to get stronger to
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 10: run between the tackles, and he's bigger, but I still
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 10: don't know if he's quite there yet to handle the
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 10: workload of away Sean Parker between the tackles. But I
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 10: think Nate Johnson's another guy you're going to use a
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 10: lot lining up on the outside and let him put
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 10: defenses in the buying because you need to account for
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 10: his speed. He did not get a ton of touches
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 10: last year, as you mentioned, but still on just twenty
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 10: four carries two hundred and twenty five yards. That's an
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 10: average over nine yards of carry. He's got to be
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 10: involved in some different ways. To me, we've heard he's
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 10: grown as a route runner from Chad bump Is too.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 10: Utah will find packages and find ways to get him
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 10: on the field because you still can't each speed, and
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 10: he's one of the fastest guys on this roster. So
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 10: I still expect him to get a handful of snaps
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 10: the game. Is that closer to ten to fifteen I
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 10: think so, maybe it's twenty plus, which would be a
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 10: huge credit to his growth with the wide receiver spot,
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 10: but just with his speed, I still think he's one
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 10: of the fastest guys on the offense. They need him
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 10: out there. I'm just glad that it's going to be
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 10: him lining up at wide receiver more than a Jackson
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 10: Benny like Uta Hyder resort too early in the season
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 10: at Todds last year.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: J T.
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• 1:57:31
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• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: Utes Authority, all right. The other over under that I
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: had set for today was of the total the total
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: passing offense, or I should say, the average yards per
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: game for the not just an individual receiver. And I
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: don't care which quarterback is thrown. Quite frankly, I said
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 3: it at two thirty five and a half. And the
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: reason I said it there was because that will put
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: them in the top five for Big twelve offenses, at
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 3: least relative to last year. Now, we can't expect the
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 3: numbers to be the exact same as this year this
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  Speaker 3: year as they were last year, but that is That's
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  Speaker 3: where I said it, and I'm I'm curious your thoughts
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  Speaker 3: on this, because I do believe it's going to be
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  Speaker 3: a slightly sorry two thirty one and a half, a
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: slightly pass heavier attack than we're accustomed to with the
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: University of Utah. I think that mcgiven has that history.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: I think that he has the personnel, as we've already
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: been talking about with the receivers in the depth of
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: the receiver room and a healthy Devin dan Pierre is
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: going to be a lot more comfortable passing the ball.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: I think burd Ficklin, whatever role he ends up playing,
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: it's a big part. I mean, he's got a big,
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: big harm. I could see all this. Two thirty one
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  Speaker 3: and a half makes you a top five passing offense
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 3: average yards per game in the Big Twelve Conference. I
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: kind of think that's where they need to be if
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: they're supposed to have the season I think they can have.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: At Utah State, mcgiven's offense was just under two hundred
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 3: and fifty yards per game. Where do you think that
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: one falls over? Under two thirty one point five for
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: Utah's passing game average yards per game?
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  Speaker 10: I'm going to go over. It's another really good line,
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  Speaker 10: I think because just what this pass offense did produce
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 10: last year. But I am going to go over because
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 10: of my confidence in Devon damp Here, a guy who
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 10: played last year with multitude of injuries, the biggest one
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 10: being the sports herneia we know. I think he was
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 10: banged up last year and still produced at a very
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 10: high level. I also think says I think everyone else does.
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  Speaker 10: The run game is going to take a step back,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 10: it will be a good run game that Utah has.
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  Speaker 10: It was the best power for run game last year
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 10: on the yards per game basis. That's what Utah had
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 10: with the most dominant offensive line we've seen up on
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  Speaker 10: the hill and quite some time. For my money, the
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 10: run game will take a step back, so more will
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 10: be on Devin damp here, but I think he's ready
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  Speaker 10: for it. I think if you tak and keep him healthier,
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  Speaker 10: which is a huge thing and why I want them
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 10: to be very careful with him in the cour or
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 10: back run game. If you can keep him healthy, he
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 10: can scramble more and keep plays alive longer as well too,
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 10: and that buys more time for guys to get open
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 10: when plays breakdown to makes some magic happen. And that's
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 10: something even when he was hurt. Daan Pier did last
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 10: year made magic happen, whether it was against Kansas State
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 10: of the long pass on it was like third and thirty,
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 10: we know the Wyoming game, he drops the ball and
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 10: picks it back up, rifles in the end zone for
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 10: a touchdown. He had another huge pass and against the
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 10: Bras could have bu cannon in the end zone from
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 10: third and forever he has these moments that just make
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  Speaker 10: me think that he's going to put it all together
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 10: this year. I think if Utah can keep him healthy,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 10: I think he's ready to carry a larger load in
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 10: the pass game. I think he's got a good shot
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 10: to be right around that two hundred and fifty yards
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 10: per game mark. Utah is still going to be a
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 10: run first team for my money. I know mcgiven has
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 10: been more pass happy, and Utah swide receiver has been
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 10: raving about how they will throw the ball more. I
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 10: don't doubt that. But Morgan Scalley is still the head
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 10: coach of the football team he learned from Kyle Whittingham.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 10: I think they're still going to be ground and pound
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 10: first and foremost. But I do expect that ratio to
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 10: be more fifty five percent run and then forty five
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 10: percent pass. So I do think Dan Pierre's got a
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 10: really good shot to exceed that total. When you look
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 10: at him, fulley healthy, buying in this offseason, putting in
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 10: the work with his wide receivers to grow that chemistry,
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 10: and just the growth as well. You know, senior year,
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 10: this should be the culmination of his college career. Best
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 10: series had yet I expect that to be the case.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 10: I think he's going to be one of the best
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 10: quarterbacks in the Big Twelve this year, and I think
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 10: he will exceed that over under you set.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 3: Tight ends obviously factor into the total passing yardage. Right
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 3: if we're going to thirty one, it seems like it
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: seems like such a paltry sum JT where I'm like, yeah,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 3: two hundred and thirty thish yards a game. That feels
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 3: like you're not a very proficient passing team. But again,
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: like I said, it was top five for the conference
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: last year. The previous year would have made that's not
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: even top ten. So for whatever reason, twenty twenty five
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 3: was a down passing year in the Big Twelve Conference.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 3: Baylor had at three hundred and ten yards a game,
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: TCU at two hundred and ninety, Texas Tech at two
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: hundred and eighty, Arizona two to fifty five, and then
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: Cincinnati last year was two thirty one point two. So
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 3: two thirty one point five over that, like you're predicting
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: and so am I puts Utah in last year's top five.
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  Speaker 3: The tight ends have to have something to say about that,
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: and it has been recently for the University of Utah
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: a serious position of strength, even last year where people
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: are just like, oh man, there's no Kincaid, there's no
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: Keithy what Dallan Bentley had an incredible year. Dalan Bentley
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 3: is fighting for a spot on an NFL roster right now.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 3: They've always had talent in the room. How are these
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 3: tight ends going to factor in with Kevin McGibbon.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, as of right now, I definitely think
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 10: the tight end room won't be what it was last year.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 10: But at this time last year, I also did not
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 10: think Dalan Bentley, who I think had a round seventy
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 10: career receiving yards, was going to turn into one of
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 10: the best Big twelve tight ends. He was probably the
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 10: biggest surprise last year for Utah. So the chance that
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 10: happens again. And I think Hunter Andrews is the best
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 10: tight end in this room. And he's a phenomenal athlete.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 10: We've even heard more at TILEX. They didn't want to
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 10: line him up in the backfield and let him run
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 10: the ball. When he came to Utah, he was high
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 10: school linebacker and running back. They first we're going to
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 10: have the linebacker, then moved him to running back and
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 10: now he's been at tight end for the last two years.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 10: He's the team's best tight end I think, and the
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 10: flashes he showed prior to the injury that he suffered
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 10: in the Utah's third or fourth game last season, I
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 10: thought was going to be the second best tight end
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 10: on this team and still be a frequent option this
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 10: offense would look to. Now he's back, he's fully healthy,
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 10: we've heard. I do think he's going to be the guy,
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 10: but I think he's going to be around I'd be
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 10: surprised if he ex seed the five hundred yards. I
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 10: think he's still growing and learning that tight end position too,
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 10: and the wide receivers taking the next step. I don't
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 10: see him having the down Bentley year as well too.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 10: And Andrews still got some size at six to three,
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 10: but not as big as down Bentley was. Down bent
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 10: Bentley was such a nice luxury for dam Pier to
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 10: have with the ability of him just to have a
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 10: large catch radius and make him play it down the
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 10: field too, more than you normally see for a tight end.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 10: So I think Andrews will be good. I just don't
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 10: think it's the same level I do. Like Noah Benny
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 10: guy was with Utah then transferred to Weaver State. Now
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 10: he's back with the team. I got a chance to
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 10: talk with him yesterday. I think he will be second
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 10: on the team receiving yardage from a tight end standpoint.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 10: But look, there's a reason he did go to Weaver
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 10: State in the first place. He's not the greatest route
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 10: runner of the world. I'd say. I think he's still
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 10: learning and growing and getting there, and we'll see how
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 10: he puts it together this year, did well at the
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 10: FCS level. Is he ready for power for a ball?
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 10: Time will tell. And then there's everyone's favorite, Semi Tai Longa.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 10: That's the guy who obviously went viral for his one
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 10: catchy ad last year. I think he's gonna make a
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 10: few more of those. But once again, not probably the
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 10: greatest route runner creating separation, but still a guy that
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 10: is tough to bring down with the ball in his hands,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 10: so he'll get involved. Bentley had over six hundred yards
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 10: last year, as we mentioned. I think the tight end
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 10: room as a whole could maybe get around that, but
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 10: as of right now, I think they're gonna have a
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 10: lot less to do in this offense than they did
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 10: last year with the wide receiver stepping up and just
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 10: as it seems at this moment, lack of a dominant
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 10: tight end. So we'll see if Hunter Andrews can surprises.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 10: A couple of the players said he'd be an X
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 10: back of this year, but I'm in waiting see mode
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 10: on the tight ends way.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 3: Shawn Parker almost a thousand yards last year. With three
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 3: more carries, he would have hit a thousand yards based
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 3: on his average, he had a really really healthy average
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 3: six point six yards of carry. Can he maintain that
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 3: this year behind a less experienced offensive line.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 10: His average will go down? I believe. I don't think
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 10: the offensive line is going to be as good, and
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 10: I think therefore that will go down a little bit
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 10: because that wasn't part of product of just how dominant
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 10: the offensive line was and him not getting touched almost
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 10: ever behind the line of scrimmage. I think that number
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 10: goes down, but also in part because the volume of
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 10: carries is going to go up. But I do think
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 10: he hits his thousand yard goal this year. He wants
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 10: twelve hundred yards. I could see twelve one hundred total
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 10: yards for him if he's a part of the pass game. Too,
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 10: because he did have some nice moments as a pass
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 10: catching back to earn the trust of dam Pierre with
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 10: some plays he was able to make downfield too, So
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 10: that's something that I'm really excited to see what he's
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 10: capable of doing in both of those capacities running the
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 10: ball and catching the ball this year. But as of
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 10: right now, I don't think he exceeds that yards per
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 10: carry average. I will say amongst power for backs with
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 10: the same amount of with a certain number of volume
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 10: last year that he had only Jeremiah Love average more
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 10: yards per game than him at the power for or
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 10: some of the yards per carry at the powerful level.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 10: So we are talking about a game changing back. Big
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 10: twelve is loaded with good backs. I still think he's
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 10: one of the best in the conference. It's got good power,
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 10: tough to bring down, but the offensive line taking a
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 10: step back, and how dependent running backs are on their blockers.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 10: I see the yards per game going down, but I
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 10: still see a really good year for way Shaun Parker,
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  Speaker 10: and I'd be shocked if he didn't crack that thousand
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 10: yard mark. I still think he's going to lead this
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 10: backfield in touches and be one of the biggest stars
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 10: and faces of the Utah offense. Along with Devin Dampier.
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  Speaker 3: I'm taking the quarterbacks out of the equation. And because
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 3: you have to give me the best offensive player and
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 3: the best defensive player on this Utah football team.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, offensive, I would go with Parker. I really think
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 10: he's that good. I think he's going to have that
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 10: type of a year. If you Dampier was available, I'd
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 10: probably go with him just for what he did last year.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 10: But yeah, Parker would be the guy for all the reasons.
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  Speaker 10: I just highlighted the best defensive guy. Though, if you
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 10: look over there, man, there's a lot of guys on
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 10: this defense that I like that I think I think
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 10: are capable of having a really big year. But by
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 10: the time the year ends, I think the best guy
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 10: on this Utah defense will be saying is I'm actually
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 10: gonna go with Elijah Davis. I think be in the
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 10: lockdown for that.
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  Speaker 3: He is.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 10: Jackson Benny's right there. I think it's very close, But
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 10: I think Elijah Scooby Davis is the best year of
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 10: his career. I think he's capable of shutting down some
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 10: of the top wide receivers. Then a really good reliable
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 10: guy for a number of years. I think he puts
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 10: it all together. I think he has a season worthy
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 10: of him being an NFL draft pick. Too sticky and coverage,
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 10: physical against the run. I know he got the picks
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 10: last year. I don't think he'll get the pick sixes
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 10: because he's not going to get targeted much this year.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 10: That's how good. I think he's going to be Lance Holtzkuaf,
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 10: Jonathan Hall, Jackson, Benny all worthy candidates. But I think
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 10: Elijah Scooby Davis puts it all together and has an
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 10: incredible year for this Utah defense.
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  Speaker 3: Love it. JT. It's a little outside the box from
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 3: what most people have been saying, and I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: So keep up the great work. We'll see you soon.
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  Speaker 3: How many Big twelve players made it? I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 3: ask the question how many Utah players made it because
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  Speaker 3: you know that when it comes to preseason accolades, this
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  Speaker 3: year's team is not going to get those at the
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 3: same level. But what what about the entire Big Twelve conference?
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 3: You got your Noah Aafiita's out there, You've got a
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  Speaker 3: couple of really good offensive linemen. You've got incoming linebackers
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 3: like Kadu Lawave. You've got last year's Big Twelve Player
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: of the Year Offensive Player of the Year, and LJ.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 3: Martin to by you running back. There's you know, some
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 3: people are incredibly high on Drew Mestimaker. The perception problem
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 3: that the Big Twelve has is reflected in these player lists,
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 3: which are ultimately meaningless. We acknowledge that more than anywhere else.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: If you go and you look at Bruce Feldman's Freaks list,
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 3: for example, one of my favorite things. We're trying to
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: get Bruce on the show this week, one of my
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 3: favoritavorite pieces of football publication. Every year Bruce Feldman goes
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: and he talks to coaches, and he finds the true freaks,
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 3: the physical outliers in a game full of physical outliers.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 3: Just to be on a roster, you are a physical
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 3: outlier relative to the human population. If you are a
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 3: freak in that room, you are a freak everywhere, right,
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 3: And he finds the biggest, the strongest, the fastest, the
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 3: six foot five inch, two hundred and forty pound wide
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 3: receiver that can jump out of a gym and bench
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 3: press four hundred and fifty pounds. I mean all there
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 3: are hundreds of these people. It's really, really crazy. And
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 3: his list is exhaustive, it is comprehensive. He's going to
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 3: D two schools to D three schools. He's finding the
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: big numbers from the fcs P teams and on his list,
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  Speaker 3: I think there's one hundred and fifty guys on the list.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's one hundred and one. I'll have to look
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 3: at it, look at it again. I think I counted
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 3: that there were five big twelve freaks. You look at
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 3: the Sports Illustrated list of the top one hundred and
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 3: fifty players in college football, you had to go all
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: the way down to fifty two before you got a
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  Speaker 3: big twelve player. You know how crazy that is. There's
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 3: not a top fifty individual player in the Big twelve
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  Speaker 3: Conference according to preseason perception. I can assure you that
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 3: there is a top fifty player or ten in the
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: Big twelve Conference right now from an actual, real perspective.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 3: But the bias belongs where it belongs, Notre Dame Miami
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: specifically in the ACC, but not much of the ACC
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 3: beyond that Big ten and SEC, and I get it.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 3: They're getting the biggest recruits, the biggest name recruits, the
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 3: biggest physical bodies, year in and year out. We've gotten
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 3: to a place now where these preseason lists again meaningless
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 3: but reflective of a major perception problem that the Big
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 3: twelve Conference continues to have preseason ap All America First
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  Speaker 3: Team quarterback Dante Moore Oregon. All right, there's no quarterback
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 3: in the Big twelve Conference that's going to come in
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 3: more hyped than Dante Moore, or than Arch Manning, or
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 3: than any assortment of Big ten court Julian say In
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 3: something like that, right, running Backs Keewan Lacy from Old
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 3: miss and Ama Hardy from Missouri. Again. LJ. Martin probably
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 3: gets an honorable mention here as like maybe maybe he's
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: a second team, but those two guys fine offensive tackles.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 3: There is no Spencer Fono this year. Spencer Fana was
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 3: on this list last year and then he benefited from
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 3: having an incredible season. By the way, continues to just
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 3: wreck shop in Brown's preseason camp.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he looked really playing.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 3: Left tackle, by the way, which is not his college position.
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 3: That is remarkable. Shout out to the whole Fano family.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 3: What a great group of guys. And for Spencer to
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: be answering the questions that people had about him so
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 3: emphatically so early, it's just really great to see. I
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 3: wish he was anywhere but Cleveland offensive tackle Carter Smith
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 3: from Indiana, Trevor Goosby from Texas, who by the way,
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 3: just had an MRI came back as a bone bruise
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 3: and not anything more severe on his knee. That would
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 3: have been devastating for Texas offensive guards. Here we go,
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: Here we go, Big twelve player Evan Tengestaal from Cincinnati,
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 3: Schadre Hurst from Houston. First team guards. Kate Piper from
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 3: Iowa is the center. Tredes Green from LSU is the
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 3: tight end. Jeremiah Smith Ohio State Malachi Tony Miami, cam
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 3: Coleman Texas, all purpose, Wayne Knight from UCLA, kicker Tate
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 3: Sandel from Oklahoma. No Big Twelve players on the defense,
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 3: it goes Texas, South Carolina, Oregon, Oklahoma, Texas, Auburn, Indiana. Oh,
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 3: here's Notre Dame Leonard Moore. They're all everything corner Georgia, Georgia, Oregon, Alabama,
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 3: Troy So Oregon, who comes in in some polls ranked
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 3: number one in the preseason, ranked number two in the preseason. Oregon,
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 3: as an individual school, has more preseason All Americans than
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 3: the entire Big Twelve Conference. All right, Ohio State, Texas,
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 3: these teams. Texas has more Texas, the more Oregon does. Georgia, Texas,
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 3: and Oregon have more players on the preseason All America
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 3: list than the entire Big Twelve Conference. Now they're recruiting
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 3: justifies this to a certain extent. They're spending justifies this
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 3: to a greater extent. The reason this perception is a problem,
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 3: this perception problem is a real problem, is because you
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: have to be an extra ten or fifteen percent better
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: than the guys on this list to then crack this list.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 3: When you're not on the preseason watch list when you're
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 3: not already on the radar. Evan Tega, Stall and Shadraharst
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 3: Cincinnati Houston, respectively. All they have to do is have
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 3: great individual seasons their teams. I don't think I don't
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 3: think Cincinnati is going to be great. I think Cincinnati
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 3: is gonna have some problems. I think Houston has opportunity
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: to be a really good team this year. If they
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 3: are a really good team and chadre Hurst continues to
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 3: be the player that they think he should be, then
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 3: he'll probably be a first team All American at the
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 3: end of the year. Right, And the same thing carries
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 3: over into draft conversation, and then the draft conversation carries
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 3: over cycles back into the recruiting conversation, and then the
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 3: recruiting thing cycles into this conversation, and then this conversation
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 3: into the postseason honors and into the draft, and you
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 3: can see it just keeps going round and round and
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 3: round the Big twelve. The only way to now close
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 3: this gap is to solve a spending problem that I
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 3: don't think has a solution to it. But already there's
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 3: the geographical component, there's the branding component where you just
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 3: you don't have as strong as Kansas is in basketball,
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 3: doesn't carry way in football as strong as BYU is
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: from a national perspective, and having fans in every state,
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 3: they ain't Notre Dame, and it never going to be
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: as respected as Utah football is. A lot of that
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 3: goodwill was associated primarily with Kyle Whittingham and Morgan Scalley's
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 3: gonna be able to capture that because he's going to
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 3: be a successful coach, but he's gonna have to re
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: establish on some level where Joel Klatt is still willing
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 3: to say death taxes in Utah football. Right everyone is
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 3: waiting for this team to prove it and for flagship
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 3: brands like BYU, Utah and most importantly right now Texas Tech.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 3: You're still considered b A or like one A rather
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: than just straight up one. You're not going to be
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 3: given the same benefit of the doubt as Ohio State,
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: as Penn State, as Georgia, as Alabama, as USC as
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 3: Notre Dame. Utah has been in the last twenty years,
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 3: Utah has been reliably as good or better than USC
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 3: on a football field. We have plenty of head to
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 3: head matchups establishing exactly that the brand can't catch up.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 3: It's too late, and that perception problem is used to
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: punish individual players, and then that perpetuates this same cycle
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 3: over and over and over again, and it is one
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 3: of the most annoying things that I can bring up
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 3: on the air because there is no solution for it.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 3: Devin dan Pierre can have the best quarterbacking season in
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 3: the history of college football, and then he'll get invited
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: to a Heisman Trophy ceremony, like he has to be
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson or better. In order for that to break through, right,
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 3: Bear Bachmeyer has to transfer to Florida in order for
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 3: people to say this is the second coming of Tim Tebow,
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 3: because it's always going to be. If you're at BYU,
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 3: you're always going to be Tim Tebow light because you're
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 3: doing it in the Big twelve instead of the SEC
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 3: Texas Tech. People give Texas Tech a bit of a
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 3: pass from a conversation standpoint, but not from a true
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 3: like we believe in you standpoint. They just don't because
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 3: there's a level of tradition in college football that despises
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 3: Texas Tech's new money status. They're not the family that
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 3: has been the founding members of a country club. They're
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 3: the tech millionaire billionaire. They got to move in and
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 3: buy a country club membership, where the other folks are
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 3: just like, well, yeah they're us, but they're not the
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 3: same as US. So an overrepresentation of exactly what you
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 3: would think is overrepresented on the preseason All America lists.
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 3: And regardless of how phenomenal these players are or aren't
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 3: for the Utah guys, for the BYU guys, it's going
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 3: to take incredible individual effort and a whole lot of
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 3: team success to crack onto lists like this. Spencer Fano
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 3: and to some extent, kayleb Blomou last year really strongly
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 3: benefited from the established consistency of Utah over two decades. Right,
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 3: I played with a guy and I you hear me
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 3: mention him all the time. Chris Kboyatu was every bit
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 3: the offensive lineman that Tengestal is or that Schadre Hurst
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 3: is every bit more so, his name wasn't appearing on
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 3: any preseason list just as good or better of a
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 3: player right now. He cracked some postseason All America lists,
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 3: but even on an undefeated team where he was a
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 3: core part of that success. In one of the media
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 3: darling situations, Utah has ever been in. Because his name
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 3: was not on the preseason list, he wasn't going to
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 3: get the consensus All American or the unanimous Al American status.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 3: It took time. It takes three years of it, four
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 3: years of it before you could crack back into this.
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 3: And weirdly enough, Kilane's take. As popular as he is
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 3: amongst his peers, as much as people love him as
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 3: a coach, they're not giving BYU players the benefit of
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 3: this doubt yet, this benefit of the doubt yet. I
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 3: mean l J. Martin is a great player and he
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 3: will be on All America watch this. He is on
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 3: preseason lists, award lists and things like that. But he's
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 3: never going to be the guy, the running back that
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, he's better than the SEC guy, he's
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 3: better than the Big ten guy. So there's no solution here. No,
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 3: there's no for there's no revelation I can give you, like, oh,
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 3: guess what this is going to fix it for the
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 3: Big twelve because it ain't there, it ain't coming. I'm
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 3: just complaining about it. You know what, You don't get
• 2:23:48
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• 2:23:56
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• 2:25:02
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  Speaker 3: I like mine cut a little bit thicker. Okay. When
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  Speaker 3: I go to one of these other places, it's the
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  Speaker 3: Morgan scally Head, Utah football.
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  Speaker 11: Coche nice. That is exciting on the Sean o'comer show.
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  Speaker 11: We shall replay that on the Drive with Spence Checkets.
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  Speaker 11: That's my show. That's been it's my name, it's branded
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  Speaker 11: with my name. Okay, we'll replay it. That's awesome. Is
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  Speaker 11: are you gettinghim in studio?
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  Speaker 4: Maybe?
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  Speaker 5: No, no COVID, Come on, Paul, get him in studio.
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  Speaker 3: Paul.
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  Speaker 5: We know you're listening.
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  Speaker 3: He's they have football kid. We think he's gonna drive
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  Speaker 3: down here.
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  Speaker 5: It's five minutes away.
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  Speaker 3: Not five minutes away.
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  Speaker 5: It's ten minutes.
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  Speaker 3: I live there.
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  Speaker 11: It's ten. It's ten minutes away, you'r's former teammate. Hey,
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  Speaker 11: I don't expect that. I guarantee, Paul, Paul, we know
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  Speaker 11: that you're listening. Okay, you're listening, Paul. Let's get Morgan
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  Speaker 11: in studio tomorrow. Come on, Sean played up there. Uh
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  Speaker 11: by the way, yes, you're you're you were in a frat?
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  Speaker 11: Correct what we call it fraternity? Because you don't you
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  Speaker 11: don't refer to your country as the shortened version of that.
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  Speaker 5: That's the that's the line.
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  Speaker 11: Really you're supposed to say, Really, you're supposed to say,
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  Speaker 11: you don't call your country that, so you don't call
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  Speaker 11: your fraternity of frata.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's stupid. But yes, yes, I was still am lifelong.
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  Speaker 3: You're supposed to say, my perception of Greek life has
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 3: always been ill informed, and I was always just like,
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 3: it's probably not as crazy as people make it out
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 3: to be. And then I read this article about what's
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 3: going what was going on with the Penn State frat,
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 3: the cocaine moving serious weight, Sigma Kaye's Sigma Kai, this guy,
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 3: me and Morgan I was there with, Yeah exactly. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so you and Morgan might have to answer for some
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  Speaker 3: things that your fraternity brothers are doing in State College Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I had a few uh brothers. Send me the
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  Speaker 11: link to that story. Look, here's what I'll say, Greek
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  Speaker 11: life prepares you for the rest of your life. In
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  Speaker 11: this way, you kind of like half the house and
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  Speaker 11: you just hate the other half and you just kind
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  Speaker 11: of deal with them. I have a lot of really
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 11: great friends from my time at to you, and then
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 11: a lot of guys that I just hope I never
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 11: see again. But it was fun to be there with Morgan,
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 11: you know, and we had we had There is a
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  Speaker 11: video out there somewhere of Morgan and I dancing to
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 11: a Backstreet Boys song on stage during Songfest, so that
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  Speaker 11: Morgan can dance, Man, he can cut a ruck.
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  Speaker 3: Morgan is he's of the Utah tradition, which means that
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  Speaker 3: there's a musicality to the people here.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: We're all on road shows at one point, you know
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  Speaker 11: what I mean. Yeah, when he there was that video
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  Speaker 11: surface of him singing, yeah, not surprised at all.
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  Speaker 3: It was so funny because the rest of the country
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  Speaker 3: was just like, what is this right, And everyone who's
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  Speaker 3: ever been around Mormon's was just like, yeah, they can
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  Speaker 3: all sing No, there's a reason.
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  Speaker 11: Like when NFL rookie videos surface, you have like awkward
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  Speaker 11: dudes singing and then like the BYU guy just killing it,
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  Speaker 11: just hitting like four octaves.
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  Speaker 3: And playing piano to accompany his own number.
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  Speaker 11: Right exactly. Yeah, we're all ras. He's in that way one,
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  Speaker 11: one way shape or form. I did wanna talk to
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  Speaker 11: you about this though, because I caught your open today, okay,
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  Speaker 11: and I thought you handled it really really well and
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  Speaker 11: look like you know, we're the flagship home of Utah
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  Speaker 11: football and Utah Athletics, but you're also a sports talk
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  Speaker 11: radio host in Utah. And this Kilanie Brian Santiago story
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  Speaker 11: is notable, sure, and I think it took an extra
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  Speaker 11: layer as I talked about this yesterday. And we're gonna
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  Speaker 11: have Gordon monson and studio today. You can say whatever
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 11: you want about Gordon, and people do when it comes
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  Speaker 11: to his sourcing with our universities. He is as locked
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  Speaker 11: in still to this day as anybody's got.
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  Speaker 3: He's he has a trust factor with especially some of
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  Speaker 3: the old guard that we can't hope to achieve at.
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  Speaker 11: Rest point, right, and Kalani himself too. So if Gordon
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  Speaker 11: writes about college football, say what you want. He has
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 11: his sources that will give him information. Now does he
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  Speaker 11: get everything correct?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 11: I mean you know, Gordon once famously reported that that
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  Speaker 11: Kyle was taking the Byu job and got a lot
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  Speaker 11: of heat for that. But as we now know, as
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  Speaker 11: Doctor Hill has told the story in studio a bunch
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  Speaker 11: of different times. Like Jim Herman joined My show last year.
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  Speaker 11: Jim Herman was a defensive lineman that played with Kyle
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  Speaker 11: and with Steve Young, and he told the story. I
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 11: was actually surprised he told this on air. Jim and
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 11: Steve Young were in a car on their way to
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 11: an event in New York. Steve's phone rang and it
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 11: was Kyle, and Steve put it on speaker and said, hey,
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 11: I'm here with Jim, and Kyle said to them, great news.
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  Speaker 11: I'm coming home. He told Jim Herman and Steve Young
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  Speaker 11: he was taking the Byu job.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a firm believer that if twenty something Utah players
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  Speaker 3: don't show up at Kyle Whittingham's house, yeah, and basically
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 3: say coach, we don't want you to leave. And this
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 3: is like important, guys, this is Eric Weddle, this is
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 3: Spencer Tune. These are dudes like defensive captains, like you
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 3: can't leave. I think if that doesn't happen, he probably
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 3: goes to his alma mater. Yeah, and aren't we glad
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 3: that it never happened?
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  Speaker 5: Oh of course. I mean I talked about this with
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  Speaker 5: doctor Hill like two weeks ago.
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  Speaker 11: Can you imagine the historical ramifications of that decision, because
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  Speaker 11: I always said, there are two seminal moments in Utah
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  Speaker 11: football history to me that allowed this program to be
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  Speaker 11: where it is today. Number one is PAC twelve changed everything.
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  Speaker 11: But number two is Kyle saying no to was alma
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 11: mater and yes to Utah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and you know that was pre Gary Anderson
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  Speaker 3: being established as a head coach, so you weren't going
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 3: to hire Gary. Obviously Kilani wasn't a candidate, not even
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 3: close to that point. So who would you have gotten
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  Speaker 3: besides Kyle Whittingham. You would have gone nationwide search looking
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 3: for the next Urban Meyer, and guess what, there ain't one.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, And doctor Hill actually talked about that. He said,
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  Speaker 11: I I called Kyle and said I gotta get gone.
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  Speaker 11: You got to let me know, And Kyle asked him
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 11: for an hour, He said, just give me one hour.
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  Speaker 11: And to your point, the anecdote is during that hour
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  Speaker 11: window is when the players showed up at his house.
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  Speaker 11: And then you know there are people believe some financial
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  Speaker 11: promises were made, you know, during that time as well,
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 11: which is fine, which you look in life, it's a job, yes,
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 11: in life, you do not have a ton of opportunities
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 11: where you have the leverage against your employer to ask
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 11: for more. Because there are other options out there. You
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 11: should always iterate and leverage yourself when you can to
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 11: get paid more. I have no issue with Kyle doing that.
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 11: But to your point, and doctor Hill never said the
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  Speaker 11: names out loud to me, I don't know where they
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  Speaker 11: would have gone if Kyle decided to take the BYU job.
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  Speaker 3: No idea, I mean, I I shudder to think who
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  Speaker 3: it would have been, because it wouldn't have been someone
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 3: as good as Kyle Whittingham, and it would have altered
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 3: the history of really football in the Western United States.
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 3: It would have changed everything for Utah State, would have
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 3: changed things for by You probably for the better in
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 3: a certain period of their time, because he would have
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 3: been that coach down there. Man, what a wild rod
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 3: that would have been.
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 5: Norm Chow.
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  Speaker 3: Look and you know that almost happened to BYU last
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 3: year when Klonie Sataki almost took that Penn State job.
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 3: To get back to this Brian Santiago stuff, and it
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 3: is fascinating to me. I could spend an hour every
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 3: day talking about the dynamic that I think exists down there,
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 3: talking about how Kilani is probably the most valuable face
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 3: of the university and by extension, one of like the
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 3: top ten most valuable faces of the religion right now,
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 3: and how there's some weird dynamics associated with that, and
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 3: how that can be problematic or it can be great,
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 3: depending on how it's handled. There's a different show for that.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 3: I suppose the reason it's so interesting to me right
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 3: now is because BYU football, like, could it be a distraction?
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 3: And we had Jerem Jordan on earlier and we were
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 3: talking about this, could it be a distraction for players?
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 3: Maybe if you're a player who's thinking about his future
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 3: next year when his eliibility is up and maybe you
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 3: want to coach or something like that. If I'm a player,
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 3: I don't care who the athletic director is. Yeah, I'm
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 3: practicing right now. I'm cracking heads. I'm getting sick of
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 3: playing against my teammates. I've probably gotten a fight at
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 3: practice today. I want to play against somebody else. I
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 3: don't care if Klonie Satake and Brian Santiago hate each other.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah for sure, No for yeah.
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  Speaker 11: I think the only thing that could lead this to
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 11: being a distraction in the locker room. And here's the
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 11: problem with the story. As we sit here today, we
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 11: still don't fully know exactly what Kilani has been promised
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 11: and didn't get. But if the promise was nil endeavors
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 11: for the players that haven't been delivered, The potential distraction
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 11: is a player that's going, well, wait a second, I
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 11: was told that I was going to get paid this
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 11: and I'm only getting that, And look, I have zero
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 11: frame of reference if we use bar Bachmeer's the example.
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 11: If bear Bachmeyer is looking at the public reports that
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 11: Max Olsen and others have done about the going rate
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 11: for a college quarterback, and he hears that Devin Dampier
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 11: is getting two to three million dollars and sees that
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 11: Soresby got six and Josh Hoover got four, and he's
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 11: getting like five or six hundred k. First of all,
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 11: great salary for a young man in college. But could
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 11: that seep into the locker room where you say, well,
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 11: wait a second, am I am I being paid fair
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 11: market value?
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 3: Well, he's not getting five or six h K, I
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 3: have zero.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 5: Do you know where they're paying him.
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 3: I think he's just north of two.
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 11: Okay, So but even so, if it's not Bear, is
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 11: it's somebody else that was promised, because I feel like
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 11: we have it on pretty good authority that Colonnie got his.
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 11: So I don't think he's complaining that the promises for
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 11: him haven't been delivered. It feels like he's probably standing
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 11: up for some players. That's my best guess, or assistance, yeah,
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 11: or facilities. I mean that's the We don't know, right, Yeah,
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 11: we don't know.
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 1: But it is.
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 3: It is an interesting saga when you're when you're when
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 3: you're two weeks away from playing a first game and
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 3: what people think is going to be the best season
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 3: of your program in modern in the modern era.
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so maybe ever because you made the point about
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 11: nineteen eighty four, Like, all due respect to national championship,
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 11: I've never been one that's.
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 3: Like, go, they didn't win you won one. They won one.
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 11: But when you look at the scope of the season,
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 11: and they like four teams with winning record exactly. So
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 11: if you can traverse a big twelve P four schedule
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 11: and Notre Dame, who's one of the top three or
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 11: four teams in the country, and just crack the CFP,
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 11: it's the best season that school has ever had.
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, stay tuned for the drive. It's great every day.
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  Speaker 3: We'll do the Sean O'Connell Show again tomorrow and Morgan
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 3: scally will join us at one pm tomorrow ESPN seven
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