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Missing or dead scientists - part 1 of 2 · Journey to the Fringe

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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join
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us on a Journey to the Fringe. Chelsea, we are
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actually doing something that is in the news
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now as opposed to 10 years past. You know what
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is so funny? I have had multiple podcast episodes
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pop up on this without spoiling what it is. Watch
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me say it before you do. And I totally disregarded
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it. I have no idea what's going on in the news
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with it. That is fantastic to hear because you
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can't call me out on my bullshit now. Anyhow.
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We are your podcast host, Taylor and Chelsea,
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here today covering the phenomenon that is the
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missing or dead scientists in North America.
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With weird timing. Very weird timing with regards
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to that. And I think that actually spurred me
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into doing this episode, the news that happened
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on Monday. This was on my burner of episodes
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to get to. And that kind of pushed me into he's
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going to be grouped into this group. So we have
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to... David Wilcock's going to be clumped into
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this group. I have seen the number changed recently.
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I don't know for sure whether or not it's to
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include David Wilcock. But right now, what has
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been making its way around is 11 scientists have
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either been murdered or missing across the US
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in a short period of time. I don't know, Chelsea,
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have you heard somebody put together why they're
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doing it? Or is it just you've only heard that
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they've been murdered? or I've literally only
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heard the headline missing you know what I have
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heard it in the news and it was the Sunday episode
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of David Wilcox I did refer to that as news yes
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that's all I've heard literally people saying
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missing and dead scientists I know nothing more
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well Chelsea I know I've seen the list extended
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to 12 recently I have a list of 11 that was up
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to date as of last week. I have taken each person
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on that list. We're going to go through them,
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what their job was, what's happened to them during
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that time. Okay. if there's any explanation as
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to what's happening. We're gonna break down this
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list to see if there's actually anything that
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needs to be looked at here or why these people
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might be missing or dead. That brings it all
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together. Okay, I'm looking forward to this.
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Before we get too far into it, this is a heavy
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week apparently for Journey to the Fringe. I
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think it is important to start off with we want
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it to be clear we're going to be talking about
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a number of people who have died or disappeared
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under very different circumstances and none of
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this is meant to make light of their lives or
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their family's grief. Some of these families
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are still going through the grief. Some of these
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are very recent. Really? Like how recent? Yes.
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Or are we going to talk about it when we get
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to them? I have the dates for everything. Okay.
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I'll just wait in suspense. These are people
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with real stories and the tragedy of their loss
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isn't up for debate. But to understand how their
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names ended up bundled together into a single
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viral narrative about missing scientists, we
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have to talk about the details of their deaths
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and disappearances. Our goal isn't to sensationalize
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this, it's to separate fact from fiction and
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look at how unrelated events get woven into a
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conspiracy that may or may not hold up under
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scrutiny. Today, Chelsea, we're going to get
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through a portion of the list. That portion of
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the list, I don't want to say what it is right
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off the bat because it kind of spoils it all,
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but you might put together as I get going what
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that part of the list is. The first person we're
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going to talk about, this is the name that actually
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started the list getting compiled, Major General
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William Neil McCasland. He was a retired Air
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Force official. He was known for his leadership
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at the Air Force Research Laboratory in Albuquerque,
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New Mexico, and he went missing from his home
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in Albuquerque on February Wow, yeah that's super
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recent. He's not even the most recent. His phone,
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prescription glasses, wearable devices were found
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at home but his hiking boots, wallet, and .38
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caliber revolver were reported missing according
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to the Bernalillo County Sheriff's Office. McCaslin
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was linked to unidentified aerial phenomena research
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in the 2016 WikiLeaks release of John Podesta's
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emails. The messages highlighted his former leadership
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of the Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright
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-Patterson Air Force Base, a site frequently
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associated with Roswell -related UFO theories.
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Podesta's involvement in UFO disclosure initiatives
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is well documented throughout his service in
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both the Clinton and Obama administration. The
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Tom DeLong led To the Stars Academy, a non -profit
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associated with the UFO disclosure movement.
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The pair's collaboration on seemingly fringe
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science led some to speculate that public officials
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like McCaslin were manipulating DeLong into developing
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a UFO cover story for New Classified America
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Def— technology of a terrestrial origin. McCaslin
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is the subject of an email dated January 25th,
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2016, from Tom DeLonge to Podesta, reportedly
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leaked on Wikileaks in which DeLonge says of
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McCaslin, quote, I've been working with him for
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four months. I just got done giving him a four
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hour presentation on the entire project a few
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weeks ago. Trust me, the advice has already been
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happening on how to do all this. He just has
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to say that out loud, but he is very, very aware
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as he was in charge of all of the stuff. When
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Roswell crashed, they shipped it to the laboratory
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at Wright -Patterson Air Force Base. General
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McCaslin was in charge of that exact laboratory
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up to a couple years ago. He not only knows what
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I'm trying to achieve, he helped assemble my
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advisory team. He's a very important man. Other
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speculation focused on a relationship between
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McCaslin and Michael Duggan, an Australian -American
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scientist at the AFRL at Kirtland Air Force Base,
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New Mexico, who spent years of his Air Force
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career in research on UFO phenomena. Duggan was
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an assistant to Jayon Hynek, an astronomer who
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led the Air Force's infamous Project Blue Book,
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one of the first investigations of reported encounters
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with UFOs by the United States government. That's
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kind of the background for that part, Chelsea.
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It does seem a little strange. Right off the
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bat, gone missing. a pretty good UFO relationship.
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Yeah, they're not necessarily exclusive to one
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another, but interesting, yes. I do want to make
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something clear. He had been retired for several
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years at this point. This next part of his story
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is going to clear some things up. I don't think
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put anything cemented into the story, but let's
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listen to this. His wife told a 911 dispatcher
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he may have intentionally gone missing. Quote,
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my husband is missing. Susan Wilkerson told a
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911 dispatcher an audio obtained by Law and Crime
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Network. Quote, I think he's on foot. All of
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our cars and bicycles are in the garage. End
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quote. Wilkerson explained that her husband had
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never done anything remotely like it before and
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doesn't generally carry a weapon. She did note
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that he's been quote saying if his brain and
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body keep deteriorating, he doesn't want to live
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like that. Was he having health problems? Yes.
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She described McCaslin as very responsible, but
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said he was encountering medical issues and was
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seeing a doctor for anxiety, short term memory
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loss and lack of sleep. Sick. Susan Wilkerson
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McCaslin also told the Daily Mail that the speculation
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over her husband's disappearance is wide of the
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mark, answering with a categorical no when asked
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if she believed her husband's prior security
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clearance and past connections with UFO researchers
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had anything to do with his disappearance. In
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an impassioned social media post on March 6th,
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Susan hit out at the misinformation published
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since her husband went missing and late February
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emphasized that while he did oversee a US space
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weapons program during his career, he had been
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retired without security clearance for 13 years.
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She also said his links to the UFO community
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via former Blink -22 frontman Tom DeLong had
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long lapsed, adding that he knew the Roswell
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enthusiast briefly and had merely helped him
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out by acting as an unpaid consultant on a military
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matter for a novel he was writing. Yeah. Just
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because that's what he's involved in doesn't
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necessarily make anything. You could make anything
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sound nefarious. You can make anything sound
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like, you know what I mean? Yeah. And I want
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to make sure two things are clear from what I
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just read. Retired for 13 years and a general,
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not a scientist. Yeah. Okay. I hope the other...
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Not saying anything about your episode. I hope
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the other ones are better. Hey, I didn't make
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the list. I can see why people are jumping to
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David Wilcock now. Oh, Chelsea, you just wait
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until we read this next one. This is a woman
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by the name of Amy Eskridge. OK, I have heard
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her name somewhere. I don't know where, but I
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don't know anything. No, I guarantee you've been
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seeing posts on Reddit of text messages between
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her and a friend saying that she would never
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commit suicide. Oh, maybe I did. You see a lot
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of that on Reddit right now. Maybe I did. Amy
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Eskridge was the founder of the Institute of
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Exotic Sciences, which was a small private -run
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organization she founded with her father who
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was a retired NASA engineer. It wasn't a university
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or a traditional research lab, but a public benefit
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corporation built around fringe physics interests
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like gravity modification. metamaterials and
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advanced propulsions. The kind of topics that
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sit well outside mainstream science. The institute
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positioned itself as a home for ideas too controversial
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for conventional academia, yet there's no real
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record of peer -reviewed publications or recognized
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scientific output from them. In practice, it
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functioned more as a platform for speculative
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research and for Amy's own ambitions, blending
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her father's legitimate aerospace background
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with an increasingly unconventional scientific
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claims and the grandiose way she presents them.
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While at Eskridge and the Institute publicly
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framed their mission around novel propulsions
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and anti -gravity concepts. The reporting and
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declassified contextual - and sorry, before I
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get too far into this, she committed suicide
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in 2022. June 11th, 2022. What? Why am I just
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- like why are you telling me I'm seeing a text
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message on Reddit now? Because she is one of
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the 11 people on the missing or dead scientist
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list. Where's this list? Is this the one you
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compiled or is it somewhere? Basically, if you
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find the 11 scientists, these are - going to
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be the names you're going to see on it. Okay,
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it's just like out there. It's not like somebody
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compiled it and it's now a famous list. It is
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a fairly famous list, like this is the one that
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the White House is looking into. Okay. With these
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11 names on it. Okay. 2022 though. Okay. While
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Eskridge and the Institute publicly framed their
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mission around novel propulsions and anti -gravity
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concepts, the reporting declassified contextual
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histories show no public reproducible demonstrations
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or peer -reviewed publications emerging from
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the Institute that would substantiate a working
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anti -gravity technology. Mainstream reviews
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of gravity control research emphasize that agencies
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investigated ideas historically but produced
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no public breakthroughs. Independent online technical
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session notes that anti -gravity claims are highly
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disputed with isolated small effect reports and
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a majority of failed replications, a pattern
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consistent with the absence of verified scalable
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results in open literature. At least one report
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says that Eskridge sought NASA approval to present
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novel anti -gravity findings and actions suggesting
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an attempt to engage formal institutional review,
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but publicly available material does not record
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a NASA endorsed validation or an accepted conference.
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presentation that produced community scrutiny
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or replication. Now, Eskridge dies on June 11,
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2022 in Huntsville, Alabama. While authorities
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officially ruled her death a self -inflicted
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gunshot wound, several factors have contributed
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to ongoing public debate and intense scrutiny
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surrounding the case. In interviews and podcasts
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recorded prior to her death, Eskridge alleges
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that she and her team were being subjected to
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harassment and psychological warfare intended
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to stop her from work on antigravity and After
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Eskridge's death, several outlets and online
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forums amplified her institute's anti -gravity
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framing while linking her to a larger pattern
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of researchers' mysterious deaths. Those narratives
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have driven much public attention, but do not
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add technical evidence of functional exotic propulsion
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that she was working on. Some conservative tabloid
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outlets connected the institute and Eskridge
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to conspiratorial explanations, for the stories
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mainly recycle their self -description and the
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broader unresolved list aside. who died or disappeared
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rather than providing new experimental verifications.
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One important thing too, the best I could find
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from Amy is that she had a Bachelor of Arts degree.
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She did not have a science degree. Her dad was
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an engineer for NASA. And that's the best connection
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I can find for an actual scientist here. That
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is bizarre. Why would she be working on something
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like that with just an arts degree? Well, here
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are some of the quotes from her as like she would
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make presentations. I see connections other people
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miss. I understand things before experts do.
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I pick things up faster than anyone I've ever
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met. If I decide to learn something, I learn
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it completely. Give me a few months and I can
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know more than most people in any discipline.
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She kind of had a very high self -esteem, I guess?
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Yeah, it sounds like someone whose father was
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involved in the research. Or somebody who really
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knows how to bullshit to get people to invest
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in things. Okay. Because you're not going to
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find an actual genius who's going to say, I can
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learn any subject better than anybody in a few
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months. Yeah, I could see the link people are
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making due to what she was working on, but that's
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weird. At the same time, she's making these statements.
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She's also saying people in power don't like
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what I know. They're trying to Silence me because
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I'm right. I'm being watched. If people knew
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what I was doing, they'd understand why I'm being
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watched. However, she never releases who these
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people were, other than people in power, and
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never released any of this knowledge that they
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feared she had. Which you think, if you're worried
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about somebody offing you for the knowledge you
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have, you would try to release that as fast as
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possible. Exactly, yeah, yep. In public statements,
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Eskridge's family explained that she suffered
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from chronic pain at the time of her suicide
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and declined to characterize her death as unusual.
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In the final months of her life, Amy Eskridge's
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behavior became noticeably erratic, she grew
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increasingly Isolated and fearful telling people
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she believed she was being watched or targeted
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friends and colleagues described her as anxious
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withdrawn and not acting like herself a shift
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that seemed to intensify alongside her chronic
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pain taking together it paints a picture of someone
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under significant psychological strain rather
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than someone holding dangerous secrets and I'm
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sorry I just when people say I would never commit
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suicide I just I've never had to make that statement
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before have you Chelsea? No, it just screams
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of somebody who's been contemplating suicide
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side in my mind. It does or sorry to say this
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here but David Wilcock because I've seen it surface
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the last little while like four or five years
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ago he posted a statement like that on Twitter
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and it does seem like someone who has either
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contemplated it or wants attention. I've seen
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that from that, too. Yeah, yeah, I would have
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to. I mean, yeah. That story reminded me a lot
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of Dave Wilcock, which is why I was thinking
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he was going to be included on this list soon.
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It brings a lot of bells, doesn't it? Somebody
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who is a CEO who seems to bullshit about anti
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-gravity. It all checked out even right till
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the end there. And like I said, no science degree,
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not an actual scientist, died in 2022. So they
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had to really reach back to put her on this list.
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Yeah. Next up on the list is a woman by the name
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of Melissa Cassius. She was an administrative
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employee with security clearance at Los Alamos
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National Laboratory in Los Alamos, New Mexico.
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Cavies disappeared on June 26th of 2025 after
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being spotted walking alone in Taos County. Although
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her car and personal belongings were found at
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her home, family members noted that both her
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personal work phones had been factory reset.
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Her family maintains that her disappearance was
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not voluntary, citing her plans to care for her
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mother followed an upcoming surgery. But here's
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a clear thing we need to say again. She wasn't
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a scientist. She worked in a support role at
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Los Alamos National Laboratory. I'm seeing big
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stretches here for scientists. Yeah. And Chelsea,
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I think you've realized that this portion of
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the list are people who would not be considered
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traditional scientists. Oh, I forgot I was supposed
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to be paying attention to that. That makes a
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lot of sense now. You had to come right out and
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say it because I wasn't doing it. You said it.
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just not quite in the way you were supposed to.
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Okay, well my attitude's there. She was last
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seen in Taos County, her car was found abandoned,
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and months later investigators still had no leads,
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no suspects, no signs of foul play. When people
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closed to her said, she talked about wanting
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to leave her life behind and start over at some
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point, and police treated her case as a voluntary
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disappearance rather than anything connected
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to national security or sensitive research. Her
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story is tragic, but it doesn't fit the pattern
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of a scientist go - missing. And I found this
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really interesting. Her family hired a private
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detective to find her. Thomas McNally, a Phoenix
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-based private investigator hired by Cassia's
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parents, angrily told the Daily Mail that the
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speculation is causing huge amounts of distress
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to her family and could even lead to her case
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going unsolved. The former homicide detective
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told the Daily Mail quote, Melissa and her husband,
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Mark, both work at LANL, which is the research
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lab. Mark is in building construction and Melissa,
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although her title was an administrative assistant,
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that's not really what she did. She was basically
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a purchaser. They would give her a list of things
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to buy at Walmart and she would go and buy them.
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That was her job. When they ran into financial
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trouble, they both lost their clearance and she
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was transferred to a position that required essentially
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no clearance whatsoever. I want to be emphatic
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on this point. This is in no way, shape or form
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related to her job. I am beyond disgusted at
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the fact that the media is trying to tie this
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case to this government UFO conspiracy thing."
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End quote, he told the Daily Mail. This is so
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crazy. Yeah. Quote, what the attention should
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be on is that there's a 53 year old woman who's
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missing and has a family who loves her while
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the husband is out trying to date other women
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and doesn't care about her. For her dad, Joe
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Cassia's disappearance is agony. His quote, we
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saw her on the day she went missing and she was
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in good spirits. There was nothing wrong with
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her at all. There's someone out there who knows
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a little or knows a lot, if you know what I mean.
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I look up at the mountains every day and I think
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of her. There's a lot of people who love her
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who want her back. End quote. That's Melissa.
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Her family in no way thinks there's anything
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to do with her job. She had no clearance at the
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end and even if she did, she was buying stuff
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for the lab. That's it. Yeah, no, I don't see
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any connection at all either. Alright, next up
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we have here Anthony Chavez. Chavez was a retired
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professional who was working prior to retirement
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at Los Alamos National Laboratory, LANL. He disappeared
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on May 8th, yep. There's actually a couple here
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for L -A -N -L. He disappeared on May 8th, 2025.
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When authorities and family members searched
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for the 78 -year -old's home, they found his
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wallet, keys, and other personal items left behind.
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His car was locked in the driveway and there
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were no signs of forced entry or a struggle,
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according to Los Alamos reporter. Chavez worked
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for decades at Los Alamos National Laboratory
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before retiring in 2017, placing him within the
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same northern New Mexico defense hub as others
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who have disappeared. Chavez, the oldest of the
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four missing from New Mexico have been enjoying
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a quiet retirement in his modest wooden home
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in Los Alamos for over two decades when he went
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missing, with neighbors telling the Daily Mail
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that trying to link it to his former job amounts
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to a conspiracy theory. Neighbor Flora Kraus,
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60, told the Daily Mail, quote, Tony hadn't had
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any sort of security clearance for 20 years.
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He was retired. He kept himself mostly to himself,
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but we'd always see him riding his bike around
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the neighborhood. We've been taking care of his
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grass and keeping it nice for him. end quote
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that's as much as I have on him he's still missing
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there's not a lot to the story but nobody thinks
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it's connected to like how like how are people
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putting this list together where they see like
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an obituary something like cause of death I wonder
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where they worked like how is this even happening
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you know what I should save the speculation for
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the end Okay. Next up is Stephen Garcia. This
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one is a really weird one to include on this
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list. Garcia was a government contractor with
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a high level security clearance at the Kansas
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City National Security Campus, and he has been
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missing since leaving his Albuquerque home on
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August 28th, 2025. Although police initially
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suggested Garcia might be a danger to himself
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after he was seen on surveillance footage carrying
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a handgun and leaving behind his vehicle and
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personal effects, sources familiar with the case
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have disputed claims that he was mentally unsafe.
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stable. Garcia's disappearance is notable for
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his proximity to fellow missing official McCasland
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and his oversight for sensitive assets within
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the US nuclear weapons arsenal. He was a 48 -year
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-old government contractor, not a scientist.
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He was a custodian. I've seen it described as
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a building manager, but I've also seen it described
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as a custodian, responsible for overseeing millions
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of dollars worth of equipment. He held a low
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-level clearance because the facility he worked
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in, not because he was involved in research.
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He had to clean stuff, so he needed access. Yeah,
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you need clearance to be in a building like that.
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That was the last confirmed sighting. There's
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no evidence of foul play, no sign he was targeted,
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nothing to suggest his disappearance had anything
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to do with national security secrets. His case
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only enters this missing scientist narrative
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because of where he worked, not because of what
21:49
he did or knew. Yeah, sounds like all the other
21:52
ones were... The Daily Mail. was unable to contact
21:56
his wife Valerie, 43, but a neighbor said she
21:59
does not believe his disappearance had anything
22:00
to do with his job and said she believes it could
22:02
have something to do with his previous military
22:04
career instead. Uh, maybe like PTSD? Yeah. It's
22:07
still unexplained. It just seems weird and it's
22:10
not something that should be included on this
22:12
list. I would agree with that, especially with
22:14
that last statement. Next up is Nuno Larrero.
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Larrero died December 15th, 2025. He was fatally
22:22
shot in his Brooklyn, Massachusetts home. Nacked
22:24
authorities have linked to a suspect also responsible
22:27
for mass shooting at Brown University days earlier.
22:30
Primary suspect, Claudio Manuel Nevez. And sorry,
22:33
I should say, it does come up. He's a professor.
22:37
of he was the director, sorry, here it is right
22:40
here. Probably the closest to a scientist that
22:42
we've seen so far. Yeah. But not quite a scientist,
22:45
because he was teaching. That's how I kind of
22:47
put it. Yeah, but still closer than anyone else
22:49
so far. Larrera was the director of MIT's Plasma
22:53
Science and Fusion Center and a world -renowned
22:56
expert in nuclear fusion and magnetic reconnection.
22:59
Larrera was shot in the foyer of his apartment
23:01
where he lived on the evening of December 15,
23:04
2025. He was transported to Beth Israel Deacon's
23:06
Medical Center in Boston with gunshot wounds
23:09
where he's pronounced dead early on December
23:10
16. Authorities opened a homicide investigation
23:13
that received widespread publicity. Portugal's
23:16
Minister of Foreign Affairs, Paulo Rengel, announced
23:18
his death to the Parliament of Portugal. The
23:20
President of Portugal, Marcelo Rubello de Sousa,
23:24
issued a statement calling this death an irreplaceable
23:27
loss for science, and the U .S. Ambassador to
23:29
Portugal released a statement with condolences.
23:32
MIT President Sally Kornbluth published a message
23:34
to the MIT community and professors from across
23:37
the university, made public remarks regarding
23:39
Larrero's life and work, a vigil was held in
23:42
his home in Brooklyn. On December 18th, the authorities
23:45
announced that they were investigating a link
23:47
between Larrero's murder and a mass shooting
23:49
that happened at Brown University two days prior
23:51
that killed two and injured nine. Authorities
23:54
confirmed the link later that day at a press
23:56
conference announcing the suicide of the lone
23:58
suspect in the Brown University shooting Claudio
24:00
Manuel Neves Valente at Portuguese National.
24:04
The Connecticut State Police Forensic Science
24:06
Lab confirmed that one of the firearms found
24:08
with Valente matched the weapon used in Larrero's
24:10
murder. So he was murdered. It's very unfortunate.
24:14
I don't have much else outside of that other
24:16
than school shootings are terrible. plight on
24:19
society yeah absolutely and it is odd that he
24:22
was shot outside of it like two days later but
24:24
at the same time it was a mass killing spree
24:27
nonetheless yeah i would like to add too he didn't
24:30
actually work in any top secret areas he worked
24:34
for a public university yeah i see why he's under
24:36
this one and the last one on the list for today
24:39
is jason thomas thomas was a scientist and director
24:43
I'm not sure if he can be classified as a scientist.
24:46
It might be. The full title. When you read it
24:51
from news articles, he's described as a scientist,
24:53
so I'm going to say a scientist and director
24:55
at Novartis. He went missing from his home in
24:57
Wakefield, Massachusetts in December of 2025.
25:00
His body was recovered from Lake Quana Poet in
25:03
March 2026, three months after he went missing.
25:06
Police have found no evidence of foul play. Sorry,
25:09
this story's really sad. Shortly before he vanished,
25:13
Thomas lost both of his parents. His wife Kristen
25:16
Bartoli told NBC Boston his mother had recently
25:19
died from dementia. Not even two hours later,
25:23
his father died in his arms of a heart attack.
25:26
Bartoli said describing him as a loving husband,
25:29
a fur dad of five dogs, Dazzle, Prosecco, Champagne,
25:32
St. Germain, and Fireball. And a proud uncle.
25:36
Thomas was working at Novartis as an assistant
25:39
director of chemical biology. That's the actual
25:42
title. I can see how you get scientists from
25:44
it, but his actual title was not a scientist.
25:47
This company is also in the pharmaceutical biotech
25:49
sector. First one in that category. It sounds
25:52
like somebody who had a really hard spot in life
25:54
at that point, though. And basically what happened,
25:57
he went for a walk, fell into a frozen pond,
26:00
and then it refroze over and they couldn't find
26:02
him for three months. That's sad. Yeah, but yeah,
26:06
that's the list so far Chelsea. How are we feeling
26:08
about everything? Pretty sad. I'm gonna not go
26:11
into the dark place. I don't see connection with
26:14
these, as I've said throughout. Two scientists,
26:17
two missing people. Like I said before, I mean,
26:20
you could be a scientist and it's not necessarily
26:23
exclusive, but maybe I'll think otherwise in
26:25
the next episode. Yeah, and I'm saving the ones
26:28
that I would actually consider scientists for
26:30
the second episode. Here's the thing, if you
26:33
have a list, leave the list. If there's good
26:35
ones, which I presume I'm gonna get next week,
26:38
why Put in this stuff. Why do it? My theory on
26:41
that is you include as much as you can to make
26:45
it overwhelming evidence of something going on.
26:47
List of what do I have left? I think we covered
26:50
seven. I think there's four in the next episode
26:52
So let's have four scientists doesn't sound as
26:55
good as a list of 11 scientists I don't know
26:57
to me It sounds a lot better if they're compelling
27:00
and they make me think there might be something
27:03
afoot here But when you add in these things,
27:06
it makes me think like there might not be but
27:09
that was me Yeah, you guys got to still tune
27:12
in next week and see yeah I have been Taylor,
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