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014: The Spooky Stand (Clayface & Carrie) · Concession Stand

• Nick: What the hell is up everybody? Welcome back to the concession Julz: It's a great day. Nick: stand. It is a great day. It is a great day to be at the stand. Let me tell you, we're starting off hot from the jump, okay? Before we get into it, I gotta first but my fault, I gotta introduce my co-host from across the screen, Jules. What's up? Julz: How you guys doing? It's great to s to be speaking to everyone today. Nick: Yep, it's great to be speaking to everyone. What does that mean? What do you mean, everyone? Well, Julz: Who's everyone, Nick? Nick: today is an extra special day for you boys over here because we look we were we we were looking at the analytics before the show. We were seeing, you know, we were seeing, you know, trying to improve and whatnot, trying to see what everybody's listening to, what everybody's not. And we found out that we got listeners over in Germany, the UK, Venezuela. couple other places I can't remember off the top of my head, but Julz: Bolivia. Nick: Bolivia, so shout out to all them places. Shout out to anybody who's listening right now that is not from Julz: Brazil. Nick: the the from the United States of America. And even if you are, shout out to all of y'all because hey, we you know we've been going at it for a little bit now and it's nice to see that you know y'all are y'all are really you know y'all are y'all are banging with it not just here but you know in other places too. So tell your friends, tell your family, tell tell your people at work, tell your boss, tell, tell, you know, tell Julz: Tell everyone you know. Nick: tell your pets, tell your cousins, tell your grandma, tell, tell, you know, tell tell the dude at the coffee shop you go to every day before work. Tell tell your crush, tell, tell, tell everybody, tell anybody that you that you can, anybody that you can talk to. Listen to the concession stand. Julz: You know what that that that little monologue sound like reminded me of? Him, her, Carnesha, Cardell? Him, him, her, her, bodies, bodies, bodies. That's that's that's what that gave. That's Nick: Man if I would have thought of that in the moment Julz: the energy but that's the energy we're bringing right now today, guys. And just the Nick: Exactly. Exactly. Julz: for just for everyone who who was wondering who those other two are, it was the Netherlands and Brazil, and then Bolivia Bolivia and Venezuela. But if you got the other ones right too. But you know Which is great. I'm glad that, we're our the word is spreading, everyone is, messing with us. And I think that, this is a great thing. But Nicholas, you know, take us into our movie news and updates. What's what what's out? What's going on out there? Nick: So so so yeah, so yeah this This episode, I know I got a little carried away there for a second, but this episode, before we, before we dive in, this episode is gonna be just a little different than our normal episodes, right? So we're gonna do our normal thing of going over, you know, all the movie news from this week. And we we missed last week, so we're gonna, you know, be talking about a little news from last week as well. but then after that, it is spooky season. It is officially here. Halloween is on Saturday, so we're gonna be talking all spooky stuff. We're gonna be talking, we've seen Clayface. We've seen Carrie. Jewels has seen Crystal Lake. We both seen Whalefall. So we got there's a lot. There's a lot of horror stuff that we can talk about and that we will be talking about. A lot to unpack. So you know Julz: And a lot to unpack because because all of these things also so because this is this is news, we've we've covered God of War, right? Earlier in our early episodes, guys. for our, Nick: Indeed. Julz: you know, coming back guys, you know, you know, we've covered God of War, the video game, all of it. For people who are just coming in and just starting to listen, I encourage you to go back and listen to the others. But this Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: is what we need to do what we need to know. So the God of War movie, how everything, we had to get a new Kratos and we have now we have found our Atreus. Guess who Atreus is? It they are a character in the shows we'll be covering today. Nick: I think I know I th I fe I know I've heard this, I just can't Julz: Okay. It's so it's the Crystal Lake actor, who's playing young Jason. Nick: Is playing Atreus? Julz: He's gonna be Atreus. And yes, he's wearing makeup and prosthetics. Obviously, he does not look like that. He, you know, it it he looks like how he should how this kid should look. And whatever version of, you know, if they shave his head and give him the little mohawk, like however they do it, if they, you know, however they want to mess with his hair, he looks the part. So I am a hundred percent on and the kid can act his butt off. That's like Nick: Okay. Julz: Which is great. So that being said, since we're, we're talking about at Crystal Lake, I'll go into Crystal Lake real quick. So this movie, or sh not movie, show, but the franchise, Jason, Friday the thirteenth, for everybody, you know, who didn't know who we were talking about. Hockey Mass, Machete Wielding, Coming Out the Lake, Undead Killer. A straight unit. So in this show, they took a little bit of a turn. Because in the first movie, the mother did all of the killings. You know, Jason wasn't there until I think like he he didn't, you know, pop out of the water until the very end. Now this them adding all this context behind Jason and his mom kind of gives reas like, you know, makes certain things canonic in the other movies, the older movies. Like he jump comes out of the water and grabs this woman, you know, out of a boat. in the at the end where his mom was the killer and she screams Jason. And that like in this if he, you know, in this they basically spliced his DNA with a specific animal. I'm not gonna spoil, but with a specific animal in the animal kingdom and that gives him his, you know, he that gives Nick: chill, chill, chill, chill. Chill, chill, chill, chill. What? Julz: him him That gives him his his all his fortitude and checks. And what if you're you know Dungeons and Dragons person, like that's Nick: Okay. Julz: what gives him his skill, his skill sheet. And so basically, we see him as a child and his mom. They change their names, and you know, so the town only knows him as certain mouse, but there's also other forces going on. And, you know, you learn this through e through the seat throughout the seasons. But my view and my rating on this, good old nine out of ten, spot on, everything was perfect, acting, the viscera when it had to happen. I felt like they instead of like we got a different perspective on Jason where you understand certain things a lot better now. And Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: even for his mom, now there are some things where you're like, Wow, ma'am. But nonetheless. Amazing show. Amazing show. So highly recommend it. Highly recommend it. Nick: Okay. Okay. Linda Linda Cartellini playing Jason's Jason's mom, you know, who Julz: Yes. Perfect. Nick: we know from you know from Hawkeye, from Scooby-Doo, Julz: Yep. Mm-hmm. Nick: Freaks and Geeks. So the I love her. She's a great actress. Julz: Perfect, perfect, perfect. Nick: I mean I I saw something on Twitter yesterday that said apparently she's now like a year younger than the original actress who played Jason's mom was, like when she played her. So it's like that's that's tough. That's tough. That's perfect. And I I can't wait to start that. I'm you I'm gonna I'm probably gonna start it, you know, today or tomorrow, so I can finish it before Halloween's over. But but yeah. Julz: Ooh. Dude, you're gonna have a great time. There's six hours of it's six or seven hours the whole and me and Fran watched it in a Sunday. So it was Nick: Okay. Okay, but Julz: it was I loved it. It was perfect for me. Nick: Tough, tough, tough. All right. So that's that's Crystal Lake, everybody. That's Crystal Lake. That's gonna be the you know, that's the the the precursor to our our horror section that we're gonna have later. little little little jewels review for you for your dome. So but before we get into the rest of it, we're about to get into some you know, our movie news and updates from this week. So to start us off, we got we you know we got some some sad news, we got some Unfortunate Julz: Yeah. Nick: news we got another passing in in the in the biz this year. We've got it's been a it's been a tough year. We've lost a lot of you know a lot of great great people and Julz: That's crazy. Nick: this this one is no exception. Eric Bowza has passed away at the age of 46. he was the modern voice of Bugs Bunny, Julz: Barry she's young. Nick: Daffy Duck, and a bunch of other beloved characters. And I recently in like I I after I found out that he died and I was looking into his work, he I found out he's voicing or he voiced four different characters on Avatar Seven Havens, which is literally airing right now. He's voicing four Julz: What? I didn't know that. Nick: different characters on that, and it's just it's just like Julz: Well those characters are gonna have to be changed now because they unless they Nick: Yeah, yeah. I don't think they were all big characters. I'm not sure. Maybe Julz: unless they do the AI voice thing like they're doing with Bruce Willis. Nick: Yeah, which they I don't know, 'cause he I would I think he might have had to like sign up before he died or like you would have to contact his family or whatever, but Julz: More than likely. Or or the whoever the executor is probably might be able to make that decision. But I mean, do I think they should do that for him? Do I want another Bugs Bunny? Probably not. But like It's up to the family. So if none of our opinions really matter at that rate, I think the family should do what they think is best. If that means that s they can get more money that way over time, to supplement whatever he they're losing, then maybe they'll do it. But, you know, it is it's tragic though, you know, 'cause he did b Daffy Duck and you know, Duff and other Baf other beloved characters. So like, you know, it's it's a sad passing. So Nick: Yeah. But I at the same time, he wasn't I don't he w he wasn't the first Bugs Bunny or Daffy Duck. So like, you know, if they don't Julz: he's the one that we would know most of. Nick: No but like that's the he's a he was only 46. So like the one the whoever voiced them in like the old original cartoons was probably somebody Julz: No, right. Nick: different. I don't know for sure. But I feel like I don't know if this is the same one that's been doing it the the whole time. Cause like Julz: Right. Nick: Those first mov those first Looney Tunes cartoons came out in the the sixties, seventies or Julz: Think yeah, so or else he would been doing it when he was like Nick: something. Julz: like he would have to been he wouldn't be here, so Nick: Let's see. Damn, there's so many Looney Tunes. Julz: Yeah, 'cause I I didn't even I was w I'm wondering what his you know where it was Where he was sorry on Nick: Mel Blanc was the original played Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Porky Pig, Sylvester, Yosemite Sam, all of Julz: Yeah, 'cause okay. I think I remember the seeing a a thing of that on the like a like it was like a old interview of him doing all the voices, you know, at for f at whatever interview this was at. It was it was like a clip I seen. Like on on Instagram. Nick: Mm-hmm. True. Yeah. Yeah. That's tough. But regardless, R.I.P. to Eric Bowza, you know, great career, great voice, obviously. I'm sure he lived a great life as well. So, you know, positive vibes out to his family, and to, you know, all the projects that he, you know, that he's been on and that he continues to be on, like Avatar Julz: Mm. Nick: Seven Havens. So Julz: Right. But let's go on in going into some gaming news today. EA closed Bioware recently and it was ended the next mass effect of games coming out and wouldn't and cut roughly about four hundred jobs. Now what this means is Nick: Damn. Julz: the electronic arts, you know, confirmed on October twenty first that Bioware, the studio behind Mass Effect, so which includes Dragon Age, Boulders Gate, Never Winter Nights, and Nights of the Old Republic. That that's a Star Wars game. And is closing after more than thirty years. Early development on the next Mass Effect game is ending. So Bloomberg reported about four hundred company wide job cuts, including roughly fifty at Bioware. EA says Marvel's Iron Man and the next Star Wars Jedi game remain in development though. Respawn Respawn and Dice are also joining forces on a future project that re reports identifies as the new Star Wars Battlefront Three. Now, I'm kind of in the boat of Battlefront Three. I really like that game. I play Baldur's Gate as well, so I hope they can do that still at some point. Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: you know, that would be really good. Now, why does this matter? So this is not simply another cancellation. One of the defining re Western RPG studios is disappearing, gone. Role play game, role playing game. So that's Boulder Skate. And which sucks, like for me, 'cause like you know, Fran really, really likes that game. So she's not when I tell Nick: Yeah, yeah. Julz: her about this, I don't think she'll be too happy or when she listens. Nick: Yeah. Julz: So but that being said, EA is explicitly concentrating money on fewer and larger bets after his fifty five billion dollar move into private ownership. So it raises hard questions about whether beloved single player brands can survive when their original creative institutions do not. So it's like, you know, it kind of in a way is, you know, what Xbox what we covered a little in Xbox and what their CEO is doing where They're trying to make, us the gamer game developers in certain ways and certain aspects, and really listening to the players. Like it like is corporation, you know, beef and you know, what has to go on up top getting in the way of the artistic mediums that we are trying to view, which are movies, shows, you know, whatever that may be, gaming and I wanna I people have been waiting for g GTA six, for example, and literally it will probably hurt our economy just for everything shutting down for a day. Because the amount of people who are taking off of work to just play that game is astronomically high. So like Nick: It's gonna be crazy. Julz: it there it's gonna be very funny. Like, can you imagine trying to door dash on the on that night? Nick: Brother, what? See, that's the thing. Yeah. It's gonna be it's Julz: There's gonna be some people out there, but mm, you're gonna be it's gonna be some time. Nick: it's gonna be tricky because there's there's gonna be people Julz: But then again, there might not be traffic. Nick: that's exactly. There's gonna be there's gonna be Julz: So Nick: people not door dashing or not out here because they're playing the game, but then there's gonna be people who are door dashing because they're like, bet, everybody's gonna be playing the game. Let me hop. Let me, you know, let me let me get some Julz: Right. Nick: make some money. Like dah da da But I it's just I don't know. I don't know. Julz: And are we gonna have a a mini COVID type situation where there's just nobody out like other than people who have to go to work? but even Nick: That would be pretty crazy. If Julz: if the people go to work, you're still gonna there's gonna be I don't think it's gonna tank the economy, obviously, but I think it's Nick: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Julz: it's gonna be we're gonna feel it some way. And I think it's gonna be caught on social media. Somebody's gonna be like, yo, Nick: Yeah. Julz: it's dead out here. Everybody's just playing caught GTA six. So it's I I feel like there's gonna be something out there w we're gonna see, but we'll see. But Nick: It it could expose what who's who's really playing this game. Because obviously it, it's a mature game. There's a lot of certain there's certain subject matters that are a little a little risky, not not for kids, obviously, not for everybody. Julz: yeah. Nick: But when that day does come and you pull up to work and that, that nice That that that dude you th that that your coworker who you thought was nice and chill and just like didn't really get into nothing cra yo there he's he's he's he's at home playing GTA right now making sure making sure his his in game girlfriend is being catered to. Okay? So Julz: Literally all also I seen a thing that like I don't know how much money the actress who like she's based off of like like how much money she made, but like I think I seen something where like like she was live and people were asking her questions and like it was a video of this of her live. So I didn't see it for myself just for Nick: Yeah. Julz: context. but basically they were like, you know, kinda making it seem like she didn't get paid a whole bunch of money for what's about to happen. Or if she, maybe she has a bad deal, I don't know. But, you know, hopefully she's compensated handsomely after, you know, all the money's, you know, after everybody buys this, you know. 'Cause like I I I really want it, but like I really want a disc version. I don't want a giant like I have two hard drives already on my PS five and like I don't want to fill it fill it up like that, you know. I I Nick: Right, bro. Julz: I got a lot of games, you know, but like There's cod on there already. Dear God. I don't one of those hard drives Nick: And we know we know all about that. Julz: one of those hard drivers are getting filled af if I get GT eight six. There's just no way. So Nick: Yep. Yep, bruh. Mm-hmm. So like I it's it's gonna be tricky and like for the it's a terrible time to yank physical games from us, you know, like with all this all this stuff coming out this year. but Julz: Right. Horrible time. Especially because they're over here talking you know, the Pentagon saying like, you know, there's the US power grid, you know, if there's a global war, they're gonna attack it. If we have to stay in the house, right, and let's say you have a generator, can I what if you can't access your games? You're cooked. Like why can Nick: Facts, bruh. Facts. Julz: if I could just pop my disc in my game in my thing, because I got the disc version. Nick: If I'm if I'm not having to defend myself from any l type of war Julz: Same with movies, Nick. Nick: or apocalyptic scenario Exactly, same with then I'm I Julz: Right. With the Wi Fi's out. now what? Now we're back to disc. Same with this. The Wi Fi's out. no what? Now what? Now I'm back to disc. Now the good thing is Nick: Exactly. Julz: I still got my PS four games. So I can still pop those into this thing and then the it'll do its thing backward compatibility. But this thing is though, Nick: Smart, smart, smart. Julz: is like I still want my games that I like regularly play. So Nick: Yep. Save physical media, everybody. Collect while Julz: Save it. Nick: you can. Conce concession stand stamp of approval. Julz: No, literally. But that being said, Nick, bring us into Poison Ivy, man. That's I heard Poison Ivy's in the works. Can you tell me more about Nick: yeah. yeah. So Julz: that, man? Nick: yeah, yeah. We got a Poison Ivy series is officially in the works at HBO. And remember, remember, remember, remember, when you hear that some sort of DC project is in the works, When it's in the works by HBO Max is different than Julz: Yeah. Nick: when it's in the works by HBO. Because HBO Max is, strictly made for streaming. May it's it could they could I I don't think they would binge release it, but they probably it could be a binge release. But when it's made by HBO, it's this is they're putting it on TV in that nine o'clock viewing spot that they had lanterns in, that they had House of the Julz: yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Nick: Dragon in, all that. So this this has this this has that this looks like it might have Julz: Game of Thrones. The penguin. Nick: that stamp, it might be on the way to that official tissue stamp. And what Julz: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Nick: we know so far is not. Not a lot, but we know that Lauren Lafranc, who worked on The Penguin, is in talks to produce the series, and it would not be set in Matt Reeves' Batman universe, which is very interesting. Julz: So does this mean it would be set in a different Batman Bat universe, or is this like a its own standalone? Nick: See, that's the thing. You hear that it's being produced by Lauren Lefranc, and you want you fit you okay, it could fit in with the pain like with the world of the penguin. We already have the penguin show. we, they're working on the Batman part two. That would fit the vibe, great. But then, they said that's not the case. So do you do we go DCU? Are we just get are we getting two Batman villains in the DCU before we get Batman? in clayface and poison ivy or are they just going complete separate DC universe completely and we're just else world in this shit and you know just just to give you guys a a poison ivy story. Because we I mean we haven't really gotten aside from Har the Carly Quinn animated show which Yeah Julz: Yeah, but that was animated, so it's different. Nick: which yeah also yeah also another you know another universe but no exactly Julz: 'Cause you can do different things with the animation that you can't do with the live action. Nick: like that sh I we love that show around here for you know for that very reason because like Julz: it it was funny as it was funny as crap. Nick: It's yeah, it it delves into all this Batman and D C lore in literally just the the funniest way that is just so organic to the the main characters Harley and and and Ivy and Joker a little bit and stuff. It's so it's just it's it's great. But but Julz: It's funny as shit. Nick: I don't know. Either way I'm excited, you know. I'm I I I'm interested to see who who they cast for Poison Ivy. Like that Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: once that conversation comes around, that's gonna be interesting. Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: And again, we I I love the penguin, bro. I love season one of the penguin. And I'm, you know, I I just I anything that like kind of resembles that, I'm here for. I'm definitely here for. So Julz: Scott was s when we started the penguin with Scott and just re watching it this year, that was like an amazing experience because it was I was like, dude, 'cause remember Fran's friend was on the was was an actress in that show. Nick: yeah yeah no no no you told me about that. He was she was Julz: Yeah. Yeah. Nick: what's his name's girl. yeah, yeah. I can't remember I can't even remember his name, honestly. Julz: Yeah. I forget her name though. But she was but she was me neither. Hold on. Vic. Nick: Vic, Vic, Vic. Julz: Yeah, I was nearly say. It's a V. Vic, Victor, and then what was her name? But she was Nick: I can't remember. Julz: in two episodes basically. But Nick: Yeah. Julz: or however long she was in there and put I you know, that was cool to see that again. And then Scott's just out here like, okay, so he's kind of a dick. But These other people were really bad as well. He's like, it's like w which of the two evils? And I kinda want him Nick: Literally, he's trying to rise out the mud. Julz: to win right now. And I'm like, Yeah, it's hard not to fight for the guy or not to want him to He's he's trying to help Nick: Yeah. Julz: out the kid, you know what I'm saying? He's doing what he kinda do. Then he gets he's in a crazy situation and then he just gotta he just make decisions. And it all happened because Nick: There's a lot going on. Julz: he got angry. 'Cause he he sh he shot bro and then it just was up from there. Nick: Bro, literally in that bro, I'm sorry. That episode one, that might be one of the best a pilot episodes for a show that I've that I've ever seen. Because the it was on go from Julz: and them Nick: that first scene. Julz: In the costume, like you know what I'm saying? 'Cause like Colin Farrell don't look like that. So it's like h him going all doing all that, wearing a suit, and then also probably or whatever I don't know if it was a suit or not, but i I'm assuming it was a suit. But like him doing all that Nick: to find out about his backstory and stuff too. the shit like his his mom, his his his brothers, like all this all this stuff. Like it's it and I that stuff I didn't even think I wanted to know about the penguin. Like, you know, that it Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: just made it made it interesting. But yeah, But there's another show that DC has told us about. You wanna tell us about that, Jules? Julz: yeah, they've announced Mr. the casting for Mr. Miracle, right? The animated series. Which is I think Josh Hutcherson as Mr. Miracle. And we got Mackenzie Davis as Big Barta. And Nick: Obviously. Julz: I don't know if Nick can share his screen or not, but we I think we have some some images of Nick: We have an image here. Julz: you know some some concept art for you guys. Nick: One second, one second. Julz: Just for our people who are watching, but you know, the listeners won't be able to see this. I'll describe it as he gets this pulled up though for the listeners. Mr. Miracle. Now Big Barta in the comics are about seven feet, maybe seven five, seven three. She's big. Big Barta. And so she's towering over Mr. Miracle. And, you know, from the concept art, she looks Mm, fair skin, white potentially. Almost green though. But it could just be 'cause the blast that's around her. It's kinda given the same animation of like whoever did creature commandos. Yeah, Nick: creature yeah, creature commandos. Yeah. Julz: creature commandos. So it's I think it's the same guys work who worked on that by the anime by the looks of it. Nick: Okay. The picture I'm about to show you is not the exact picture that is on the outline, but it's still from what the show is gonna is gonna look like. Julz: And then just for the listeners, Mr. Miracle is has a red, you know, helmet, it looks like, that it looks like he could take on and off, but it's kind of tight to the head. I can just kinda see his cheek guards kinda wing out just a little bit. And then he Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: kinda looks like Tony Stark circle, like a r yellow circle on his chest, and he's yellow also. And she is mm In the tank top of an source with a wonder th woman thing going on down low. Good. Nick: cause she's one of the Dark Sides furies, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. And so okay, 'cause yeah, Julz: that makes sense now. Yeah, that makes that makes a lot of sense. Nick: the thing in the comics with Mr. Miracle, because like I feel I was thinking about it and we haven't really gotten a lot of like really any Mr. Miracle stuff in like the DC, you know, animated movies or shows or anything like that. like or barely any at least. So basically, Mr. Miracle. was is a child of the new gods. And the same Julz: so he's like Nick: way that what's his what's his name? Orion is Dark Side's son. And so yeah, Julz: Yeah. Yeah. Nick: they had to switch when they were born as part of like I think the treaty or whatever between the god the you know the old gods and the new or Julz: And Mr. Miracle is Dark Side. It lives with Dark Side. That's cool. That's cool. Nick: Yeah, but basically what Darkseid like with Orion, they took him, you know, they use all their new god technology to try to pretty much purge out his dis his terrible d you know, d desires and dark side stuff. But with him, Darkseid literally took him and dropped him in like this pit of like of like where where where he basically had to like like fight his way out or fight to survive or whatever, and he like was raised in that in you know in that pit or whatever. And then I think he like that that's just very loose. I don't know exactly, how how that went down, but yeah, exactly. Julz: And my man came out Mr. Miracle. Okay. Nick: And then Big Barta is was one of the Furies, and then they, you know, they grow some sort of, you relationship and then they end up leaving Apocalypse and and living on like Earth or some sh like in California or something like that. So but it's interesting that you said what? Julz: That's super funny actually. I'm here for that, but I was gonna say f for the listeners who once who can't see it, he does seem to have a in the picture and in the first picture he does not have the green cape with the I would call it the spawn cow. It's my best my best description of it. The spawn cow Nick: Yeah, looks like a spig ass big ass spawn cow. Julz: or the Doctor Strange comic book cow. but not cow, cape. Nick: yeah, call her? Julz: Collar. Yeah, the the the his collars popped hardcore. But put it like that. It's taller than his head. Nick: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Julz: But it kind of is like just because like in my head, I'm seeing Mr. What is his name? Torn the tornado guy, Dr. Tornado, Mr. Tornado, Mist Nick: red tort red tornado? Julz: Red Tornado, Red Tornado. So he kinda gives me that when I, you know, w in his battle I guess face look or his comic face, he kinda looks like that, just with a green cape. Nick: Yeah. Yeah. Julz: But that's, we'll see what his powers are, I wonder. Nick: Facts. With it's i so this is this is supposed to be part of the DCU, s which begs the question, is this casting gonna carry over from animated to live action? Is Josh Hudgerson Julz: Mm. Nick: gonna be playing, you know, li Mr. Miracle on the potential big screen as well? Julz: Would that mean Mackenzie Davis is Big Barter? Big Barter? Nick: Yeah, because okay, because here's the thing. McKenzie Josh Hudcherson is is five six or seven. So he's pretty short. Mackenzie Davis. Julz: so this works. Nick: Mackenzie Davis, you might know from Terminator Dark Fate. She's like the the the the half Terminator shorty. And she's pretty tall. So they could they could do it. Julz: Yeah. then yeah, she can do it. She can do it. She can do that. She can do that. I was like, what Nick: Yeah. Julz: yeah, no, that's gonna work. That's gonna work well. Nick: And yeah, yeah. And real real life i in real life, no, no no nothing. Their actual height difference is probably like this. So Julz: No, literally. So it's like they got there's a little they got they got room to they got room to grow. Ha. Dunts. Nick: Yeah, and they obviously they could they could use effects, what camera tricks to make her look like she's seven seven foot if they want her to. something like that. But but yeah, Julz: exactly. So Nick: so that's that's exciting. And I'm I'm glad Josh Hudgerson, after you know, we've known we've been seeing this this dude act since we were kids and he was a kid. And you know, he's never really been in any like superhero comic book type type movies or anything like that. So I'm glad my boy is finally getting his respect. So yeah. Julz: The Go ahead. Nick: W we just got a lot, we got a lot of DC stuff to talk about today. We just keep rolling with the DC news. we got this is like this isn't really, you know, this is news, but it's not really nothing we have to like get get crazy into that much. But we got plot details of what would have been Ben Affleck's Batman film. I'm just gonna go through these real quick. and then you know, we could just r kind of react to them. but you know, this is something that isn't Is no longer happening. This has been in the trash for years. So, this is just more something that's interesting rather than something that's like a developing story. But Julz: This is this is basically what we like a coyote, what we could have or is is it gonna create are we gonna become those guys? Are we gonna want this? Nick: Nah, just because I think we're past Ben Affleck playing Batman. So if Julz: Heard. Nick: 'cause and I think he was gonna direct this movie too, so I d I don't I don't think. But it yeah. Julz: I don't know if I like the main character directing his own movie. Nick: he but he he he's directed before. he directed that Michael Jordan Yeah, yeah. Julz: I'm not saying he can't do that. I'm just saying that like to be Batman and then to do that, Nick: Yeah, facts. It's different. It's different. Julz: Yeah. That's like saying that you play Batman perfectly and you don't need any ta any any, you know any edits. Nick: Low key. Which low key, low key. It's a whole other conversation. But so here's Julz: That is. That is. Nick: what we know. Deathstroke would have been the main villain. He would have d dismantled Batman's life after thinking that he killed his son. Now obviously that this deathstroke must not have known been hip to Batman lore, 'cause we know Batman Batman don't be killing. All right? I mean, g Julz: Nope. Mm mm. Nick: actually Batfleck Batfleck was killing in in in Batman v Superman. He kill he killed a few dudes in that warehouse Julz: Did he? Nick: scene, I feel like. Like He was bro, he was he was he wa he was at the very least ruining a lot of dudes lives. I at least in a I don't know. okay, Daredevil ruins people's lives. Julz: I feel like he might ruin their lives hundred percent. Yes. you need there's no bat insurance out there. Well, there might be bat insurance out there. Daredevil hundred percent ruins people's. Nick: But he Batfleck might have actually been killing dudes, bro. I'm not even I'm not even lying. Yeah. Julz: you're saying bat flak? Yeah, potentially. Potentially. Nick: yeah. So so maybe he did kill his son. Maybe he did. But so yeah, then Deathstroke would have ended up killing Commissioner Gordon and taking Alfred hostage at some point in the movie. Batgirl would also appear, almost getting killed with Batman in one sequence in the film's finale. had a major showdown between Batman and Deathstroke, inspired by a CGI fight sequence from Batman Arkham Asylum, the game. Julz: okay. See that all right, see the Arkham Asylum Death Stroke battle or like if see like if he did any move from that, like would be fucking crazy. I just wanna say Nick: Yeah. Julz: that. Okay, folks. So that being said on our Batman two stuff, we're gonna Nick's gonna bring you into our short topics. for those who are just listening, I'm gonna go to the bathroom real quick and Nick is gonna give you guys these topics. Nick: Alright y'all. So while Jewel steps away, I'm about to Rapid fire rattle off these shorter topics for you you know, real quick so we can move on to the to to the main course of this episode. Okay. So first things first, again in the DC corner, Steven Soderberg now set to direct the remainder of the Batman 2. we found this out after l or a couple weeks ago finding out The filming of the Batman 2 has paused because of a family emergency going on with Matt Reeves. so you know this is really good news in terms of the production. We still don't know exactly what's going on with Reeves, but we at least know that coming from Reeves actually, he says just to be clear, I am not leaving the Batman Part Two. I am profoundly grateful to Steven for coming to my aid during this challenging time to help me finish principal photography. Thank you all for your concern and well wishes. So The Batman part two will be, filming will be picking back up and proceeding. And Steven Soderberg going to be, working on set to be to make sure and also communicating with Matt Reeves while he's taking care of whatever he needs to take care of, you know, so to make sure that that Reeves vision still gets transferred as if he was still there. So that's pretty much, in my opinion, the best case scenario we could ask for given the circumstances. So again, we just need to you know keep pushing for matt reeves and his family hopefully everything turns out turns out okay with them and also you know best of luck to Steven Soderberg he takes on this challenge because you know it's hard to it's hard to direct a movie this big it's even harder to kind of direct it while you're directing for somebody else so that's a hard it's a hard thing to do. coming up next another short topic here Chris Pratt has said that there are solid plans To be for Star Lord's return in the MCU. After you know, the last time we saw him was in Guardians Volume 3. And, you know, we were told at the very end that he would be returning. We just don't know when. So he has said, You'll see Star Lord again, which is very exciting. But I'm not at liberty to say when that's going to be. the really the only reason I included this is because when he's when I hear that, I think of one of the images that was part of the Secret Wars leaked concept art a few years ago. which you know, for I I'm not gonna show it here, but I'll just describe it to you. It's it's literally just Star Lord and white vision just sitting on a couch, just straight chilling. Star Lord has his arm around vision and it seems like they're watching something on TV. There's bottles on the table, there's pizza on the table, there's apples on the table. So they're straight chilling in some house and and and and that's what it is. So may it could this be what Chris is talking about? Is that you know, is that gonna be in secret wars where, you know. I don't we d we're left with the fallout of Doomsday and and and for some reason we just have Star Lord and Vision just hanging out. I don't know. But that just it gets me excited because that's we could we have some sort of visual for that. next. Charlie Cox has said that he was aware that Daredevil Born Again would end with season three when filming began. we've been wondering about this ever since we found out that Daredevil Born Again was gonna be canceled. was this something that Disney Plus kind of just hit them with the same way they hit him with it at the end of the Netflix era? Or was this part of the plan all along to where, you know, ever it we could end this in a satisfying way and nobody really got shorted in any type of way? So Charlie has said, given what happened last time. This is a much better way to do it, to plan for it, pay homage to it, and make sure we do it right. So it seems like we're getting the latter option and it seems like everything is all, you know, kind of part the plan here. And you know, hopefully we won't be disappointed in all that. Lastly, for our short topics, Jules is back so he can also speak to this because I know he knows a little bit about this. The Path to Doomsday, Avengers Endgame, new PvE mode has released in Marvel Rivals. And basically what you gotta do is there's 50 players playing at once. Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: All trying to join forces to take down Thanos and his army, reminiscent of Avengers Endgame. and it is only playerable playable within two hour windows on Fridays and Saturdays because of all just so much there's so many players in it. There's so much visual clutter going on. So like you can't you can't simply just have this this option available on the game at all times. So it's only, you know, in limited windows. Julz: It will blow their servers. Nick: Yes, yes. It is literally like it is massacring the servers, bruh. But I've played it. I don't know if Jules has played it yet. And I'll I'll just say this, it freaking sucks, yo. I'm not the only reason I play one was so I could get that Captain America Winter Soldier skin and I don't even play Cap. But I love Winter Soldier, so I had to I had to see what was up. But it it's just too much. It's too much going on. you're literally just causing damage and causing damage. to what end? Literally just Julz: So they give you a skin for doing it. Nick: They they g yeah, they give you a Captain America skin and emote and stuff. So yeah. Yeah, exactly. Julz: Alright, I guess I gotta do it. I guess I gotta do it then. Because because I I for one refused to play it because I was like, that's just gonna not be good. It's just gonna be a left click simulator if you're PC. For us, it's just holding your trigger down or unibing and then ulting. And you're just Nick: Yeah. Julz: and and then you're just fli and if you're a flyer, perfect. If you're not, mm, sucks. Nick: And that unibemean was barely doing any damage, let me tell you. Shoot. my God. my god. It was rough. Julz: Yeah, so mm. Mm. Well, and it's okay. Sometimes, you know, they're gonna some things are just, you know, spoof things to give you a skin. It's okay. not spoof, but like like you know, it's it's it g it was a way to give everybody a skin and to do the Thanos thing before doomsday. So like I get it. Nick: Yeah. Julz: you know, and also where they're at where we're at in their story, I guess. It it might be, you know, them taking us to a different place basically. Nick: Yeah. I like the Infinity War PV PvP mode way better. that I I I actually have Julz: it's so much fun. Nick: I have fun playing that, but this is just nah nah. Julz: yeah, no, so much fun. I'm a Thor guy on that. But that being said, let's go into Clayface. Nick, you seen it? The day it came out. I think I seen it the either the day after, the same day. this is gonna be where, you know, it was directed by James Watkins, written by Mike Flanagan, produced by James Gunn, Peter Saffron, Matt Reeves, and Lynn Harris, and part of the DC Studios chapter one of God's Monsters, but functions are. as a standalone character driven horror thriller. Now, this is where we'll give our spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Don't come past Nick: Spoiler alert. Julz: this. This is where, you know, this is where it ends for those who have not seen Clayface. Nick: Yep, if you haven't seen if you yep, don't don't just press pause. Go wa go see the movie. Do what you gotta do. Come back and keep listening. So Julz: Actually we're gonna do just to save us the time, we're gonna also give the spoiler alert on Carrie. If you have not seen Carrie, I would also advise you to get out. But that is those are the only two movies we'll be covering in this last part of the episode will be Carrie and Clay Face. If you haven't seen it, here's your sp official spoiler alert. You've been warned. Now, that being said, let's get into it. It's been, you know, so we first come in, Matt Hagen. he's on the verge of, you know, becoming this massive Hollywood star. after getting his first Oscar nomination and then he goes Nick: Yeah, okay. Julz: out with his friends and ends up sleeping with Mia. A woman in a relationship Nick: Yeah. Julz: with a crime was Marcos Sasbo, this leads to Matt being ambushed by the mob. Sasbo brutally cutting Matt's face up, leaving him horrifically disfigured. Basically ending his career overnight and destroying his self-worth. And for those who, you know, who who've seen it, obviously, when he did the part or he gave him the Joker cut where, you know, when we think of When we think of the guy, I'm thinking of Nick: He he'd led her. Julz: Yes, Heath Ledger's Joker, when he talks about you know, how he got the scars and how his father cut Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: him, like when I imagine that in my head, that's what it looked like. And I was like, Wow, that's way worse Nick: No, literally. Julz: than I thought. Nick: No, for real. Cause it's like a lot of horror and this is this this is used in a good way or when you know how to Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: use it, but there's so much of horror that's you kinda that's implied, right? So they'll show you that something's about to happen and then they cut away because it's sometimes it's more scary to imagine what could be happening than it is to actually see it, right? This Julz: Literally. Literally. Nick: movie is different because anytime that they can show you. they they will show you and that they will show you every little every little cut, every little drop of blood, every every detail. So it's like Yeah, when he with when they caught when Zabo caught him, pulled up on him in the bedroom, and just that they held Julz: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Nick: him down and start cut literally cut slicing his face open. We saw all of it. And it looked j you're right, it looked just like Heath Ledger, like how you would think Heath Ledger got those scars with his his his mouth literally getting opened up. And it's just like, bruh, ooh, Julz: Ugh. It was Nick: ooh, ooh. Julz: 'Cause he was just screaming and then just they were just he he was Nick: The gore, bruh. And his face is like like flopping off and everything. Ugh. Bro. Julz: It was gross, man. And then, they save him. He's alive, which wow, after surviving all that, you know, so after Matt gets bled dry by doctors and, you know, after trying to reconstruct his face, it's not getting anywhere. It's not looking good either, you know. Nick: Mm-mm. His his fu his his his boy or his manager dude was was was using him and spending all his money Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: and everything. Julz: His best friend potentially, you know, like his best friend got a got a, you know, a role that he once had, and then it was just, you know, after disappointment, after disappointment, he goes to Dr. Caitlin Corr, a scientist conducting experimental cosmetic treatments. Treatment works at first, which we all seen. But And it fully restoring his face. But however, the substance destabilizes his cellular structure, melting Matt's body into a shape shifting, clay like consistency, requiring constant effort to maintain human form. So Nick: Man, which the clay. That's when the the clay starts coming in. And Yeah. Julz: That's where we get exactly. We start seeing this. his face starts falling apart on the airplane at first. Where it's like, he he went Nick: Bro, what a scene. Julz: right crazy. Then once he figures Nick: my god. 'cause Julz: out like to pull himself together literally. Nick: Yeah, yeah, yeah. my god, 'cause I never even thought just first of all, just the way his eyes were just were were were were glazed over pretty much. Julz: When they were cut shut and he had to pff cut you remember he had to cut his eyes open? Nick: and the way he was dig he was digging his finger in there before he even started cutting it. he was literally just trying to I was like, bro, and all this is all happening while there's turbulence going on on the plane. So that I I could have Bro, Julz: That's what I was like, dude, is he poking himself in the eye? What's going on? Nick: I would I would I thought that's how the scene was gonna end. He was gonna stab himself in the eye or something like that. cause they have you thinking Julz: Me too. I I also thought that. Nick: that the whole time, he's he's getting bumped around while he's he's just Julz: He was in there foot on the wall. Nick: Ugh Julz: Pinned against it. Nick: Ooh. Julz: I'm like, man, it's just what happens if the plane just drop out of the sky real quick for ten, twenty feet? Just like, dude, you're Nick: What'd he survive that? Julz: Potentially. Nick: I feel like 'cause I don't I guess I don't know. We've never seen Julz: 'Cause remember he 'cause she gave him a little the little injections little by little and then he at that point he had already dumped all of it into himself. Nick: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So, potentially. Potentially. What yeah, they they just crash. Julz: Or no. Yeah. 'Cause yeah, that's when his face started to do all the crazy stuff. Nick: They just crash and he just splats just into just a a huge thing of mutt and then it all just Rose back to get bro. Damn. Julz: Was crazy, crazy stuff there. Crazy stuff there. And then, you know, then we had the you know, after that it was, you know, what do we have next? We had him we ha hi his obsession. Nick: that's when he first like re realize like y were what? Julz: He started getting obsessed. Nick: yeah. He star that's when he goes, he pulls up on his what? It was like his financial manager or whatever. Julz: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Nick: and he you know, he's like, Yo, I know I know what you was doing. I know you were, you know, you you really just and you and then you quit on me because you working for you working for what's his name. and Julz: Zaba. Nick: like, bro, that was a and then you know, and then obviously he ends up just like killing him and try Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: what how did he I can't remember how he killed him in that scene. Julz: So the first guy he I think he suffocated or Nick: wait. Julz: like the clay was in or it was a was it a girl? No. It was the guy 'cause he Nick: The first one was the the manager dude, the financial guy that like Julz: Yeah. 'Cause he didn't he didn't use the club for him, did he? Unless he did. Nick: he ripped it didn't he rip his spine out or something like that? Julz: 'cause remember he He might have. Nick: He he did su he did something with his spine and and then obviously he had to transform into him real quick and and like to get out of the office and everything. Julz: Yes. Wait, wait, wait. No, I think he might have broke his neck. Maybe he didn't. No, no, no. No. Yeah. Cause he I remember his Nick: True. True. Now I it was something with the neck or the spine or something like that. I just can't remember exactly what it was. But Julz: hands being around his neck. And then Nick: Yeah, yeah. Julz: and then like I th 'cause I thought he he clogged his nose and then his airways with his w like 'cause his hand was like melting on his face. And then like Nick: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Julz: I thought that's what happened, but that might have been a different kill. Nick: Yeah. 'Cause th th that's something Julz: But 'cause I think for his friend that's what he did to his friend actually. My fault. Nick: Yeah, no, yeah, the fr bro, that was the that's the one that like's probably stuck with me not the most, because we'll talk we'll get to that one, but the one of the mo one of the biggest ones was when with the when he was in the friend's trailer and he's literally Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: like telling like he just got him to admit that like, you know, he kind of sold them out, told told what's his name, information about his past and like people informate so like that kind of helped in ruining his life and s and everything like that. And he gives him the hug and everything, and then you just see dude's face coming Julz: Face. Nick: out the other like you from other end of his body and it's just like bro he's suffocating him in a hug like crazy word yeah yeah Julz: Crazy work. Crazy work. And he just died. And then that was but that was really cool. But like then he starts really getting unhinged. And then she's like, All right, well let me monitor him. And then she's seeing him sleep and all that, checking and making sure he's asleep. And then he's like, What did he do? he changed into her. Nick: Bro, that was crazy. That was Started tuck feeling himself. Julz: And start making out w yeah, I was like Nick: Brother. Brother Julz: I'm like, and if I'm her, because for real, for real, there's something wrong her. Not because she did came up Nick: Little bit. Julz: with she came up with, but you're you're f you're married. Now I ain't saying go ahead, like don't do the conduct the sleep study. That's what it is. Do that. But like Once you see that, now what? Now what? Everything is all in your everything was in your in your court the entire time after that. Now you not him killing by by by any means. Nick: Yeah. You could have you could have woke him up on the spot. Julz: Hey, what were you what were you thinking about just now? Think I think you. Well yeah, you did. You changed into me and we were making out. Nick: That's inappropriate, sir. Julz: Yeah. Sir, I think I think I'm gonna hit this failsafe. Now granted, once she once he injected all that stuff, the failsafe will kill him. So I felt for her in that aspect where she's like, dang, he injected too many cause now the failsafe will will kill him. So like Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: 'cause there's too many in him. So like which is like wow. But like it was pretty, you know, it was crazy, you know, 'cause he, you know, w watching his downfall and then, you know, Once he starts, he he he abandoned or no, he killed the d his her fiance. He killed his friend and he killed his fin financial advisor. One of them he clubbed. He might have killed. So he might have killed four because he clubbed someone. Remember they ran. He he's outside. He he grows the club with the spikes, and you just see the shadow in the building, and then he and then he all you hear is like the splat. Nick: I think that was one of the that was one of the Think that was one of the dudes when he try toward the end when he was trying to get into the party. when he was trying to get up to up to what's his name? Up to Zabbo. But I think cause cause Julz: Yeah, potentially. Yeah, maybe maybe maybe that's what that was. I can't Nick: 'cause there was just so there were so many of those like like cause okay, that's the kills worked for me. the scenes, I loved the the creativity in the use of of the clay. Even I've heard I've seen complaints of people saying, we didn't get enough of him being like full clay face for enough of the movie. Which if you came in expecting it to be like a full clay face movie, I could get that. But I didn't really think it was gonna be that. I thought it was gonna be more of an more of an origin story to where it builds like it did. but Julz: Right. Right. Nick: I I I thought the creativity and how he used his his power to kill people throughout the movie was good. My only my biggest problem with it was just that I thought it was such a drastic change in like mentality for Matt from like, okay, I can get even like kind of accidentally ending up killing your financial advisor in that scenario. But for for him to just like and and and then I can also even get going on your revenge rampage to try to get back at Julz: Right. Nick: at at at Zabo but you went full crazy bro he went full crazy in in in and and ends up claiming that he's doing it for love he kid he you know doing whatever to her husband for love and it's like bro like when did you like I there was a point yes where you said that you liked her or that you loved her and there Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: is also a point where you started killing But w Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: how do those two get get get pushed together? how did those two get Julz: That's that's where I'm like he's like, you weren't after he killed her her man, you weren't supposed to see that. My bad. Like it's yeah, you're you're gone. He's off the he's off the reserve. How he should. And that's where I'm like, okay, he's become clayface. Because he's Nick: bruh. Yeah, literally. Julz: like, I could be whoever you want. Clayface. So like like that was pretty cool. Nick: And the that that scene that was a good scene too because Julz: It was. Nick: ri I rem I for like they complete they have him as the husband at first. And so like, you know, like I Julz: Right. Nick: I kinda I didn't clock it immediately, but I clocked it kinda soon ca just cause like one like he was acting normal, but like I don't know, I just got a weird vibe and like two, she mentioned the whole She mentioned that Matt that she thought that Matt might be the killer or whatever. And he didn't really react that much or he didn't have that big a reaction. he wasn't shocked as he might or not not shocked, but you think he would be like, Okay, but I've been s like as I've been saying, the the dude you've been hanging out with is kinda sus. But he didn't react like that at all. And Julz: Right, right, right, right. Yeah, I've been trying to tell you my man is weird, but you but he was that's and and I feel like that was the time for us as the audience to be like that's not him. So like I agree. I agree there. I agree there. And so Nick: Yeah. Yeah, that that was a good scene. Julz: do you think that, you know, how does Tom Reese's hair you know, performance stack up against, you know, other other comic book, you know, the movies like Wawking Phoenix Joker or Heath Ledger's Joker? Nick: I mean, I it doesn't ru in my opinion, it doesn't really compare still. Like, it's I it's a good movie. I don't Julz: I agree. Nick: get me wrong, I really liked it. And I really like the creative, like just the creative liberties that are taken. But pr both performance-wise and just with the material of the movie as a whole, it doesn't Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: the performance and the movie isn't as good as either Joe Joaquin Phoenix's Joker movie or Heath Ledger's Joker performance from The Dark Knight. Like it's not as good as either one. Julz: wonder I wanna see what people think about that one. That's that'd be a good one. that's a good I wanna see what people think about that one. That's a good that's a good Nick: Yeah. Cause people Julz: one. Nick: I love Joaquin Phoenix's Joker. I love that movie. Okay. A lot of people Julz: Right. Right. Nick: hate on that movie and think it's overrated, but Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: I would like to hear what they have to say about that. but but yeah, so Julz: I don't think it's overrated. I think it's pretty good. Nick: but what where do you where do you expect to see Clayface pop up next in James Gunn's DCU? Like what do you think he could fit into we should see him in a Batman project next or should he remain like kind of in this like self-contained corner that he's been in, with himself and just like he was in creature Julz: Feel like Nick: commandos. Julz: I feel like we'll see him again when we least expect it. Like it could be somebody like, you know, him them trying to follow someone else and that's like just, you know, that knows or supposed to work for somebody that, you know, they want to question, like Batman or if it's a Justice League movie or whatever. Or even Superman, the Superman Tomorrow. Like if they were able to, like, he can cameo anybody now. technically speaking, based off of their lore. So Nick: That's true. Julz: there's he can come in at any time they want to, just for any type like a jump scare moment or anything. Cause it would have to be them being like like soups being like, hey ma'am, are you okay? And it's just just it just he just gets big and you know, muddy. And so and then just roars at him. And then you know soups can just freeze him and then fly away. Or however he chooses to deal with him. I don't know. But that Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: I can see it happening because he he it was established that he travels. It's also established he can be anyone he wants. Nick: Yep. Yep. Yep. He can turn into a man, woman. Julz: Who is to say right. And who's to say he doesn't start turning into different other things? Nick: Like what? like objects or heroes? Julz: Like items, objects, yes. Nick: true, true, true. I mean, hey. We Julz: Or heroes. That that's also one. But it would be it depends on which hero. So but Nick: Yeah, 'cause he's not he's he's not like morph. He's he can't take their powers but he's like mystique. 'Cause he Julz: Right. Nick: can he's he's nice with the changing, he knows when to change. Julz: Right. So what's your what's your ten out of ten final score for those? Nick: I think I give it a eight. I give yeah, I give it because I gave it a four on letter box. I'll give it a eight, eight out of ten. very solid, very good stuff. really good what I will say, very good performances by both Matt Reese Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: and Na Naomi Aki, I believe. Naomi Aki Yeah, Julz: Think you are right. Nick: Naomi Aki. Naomi Aki's great. I'm sorry, Julz: She is. Nick: y'all. I'm sorry. She's been she's been in a couple like Julz: feel I've seen her somewhere else too. Nick: She was in that Channing Tatum movie a couple of years ago, where he's like this influencer who does all the who also the head of a cult or something like that. that was really it's like don't blink or something. Julz: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. I remember that. That who that was crazy. That was a good Nick: Yeah, she was great in that. That was crazy. That was crazy. Julz: movie though, but no, that Channing Tatum movie was wild because I was Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: like dude Mm, that something feels off. But it was very off. It was very bad indeed. Nick: Yeah, no, she yeah. She was very off. but yeah, she's great. So I love the performances. I love you know, the body horror elements and stuff. And like, I don't know, just like the bot the creativity of the use of body horror in this was great. So I give it a eight out of ten. Eight out of ten. And w yeah, it wasn't Julz: Right. So okay. Nick: perfect, but yeah, again I mentioned the thing about the you know, the his like kind of turn d his descent into madness and stuff. That was probably my biggest problem. There's some small things too, but overall, eight out of ten. What about you? Julz: I'm gonna go same with the eight out of ten. I actually hold on. I'll go nine because for me, I like clayface because you know, and I liked how you know, like we were talking about the Harley Quinn show. I really liked him from then, so I was like kind of like him being an actor was like still up this clayface's alley because he's like always saying like I'm an actor, singing and all that. So Nick: Yeah, yeah. Julz: like I think that it'd be funny if He, I I just can't I wanted to see how he was gonna do things and it being a horror, it was still really cool to see the different ways he was able to use his powers for evil, clearly, but like Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: or his own self-needs. Cause like, you know, at the end of the movie where he's like and we're all like, No way she went down there, and then it's Nick: Bro, bro. Julz: just him to just make it out with himself. I was just like, That's clayface right there. That's Nick: I literally, literally, cause I was like Julz: I was like that's clear. Nick: And honestly, you now that you say that in relation to the Harley Quinn show, it makes it so much so much funnier, bro. Cause I wasn't even thinking about that that version of Clayface. Yeah. man. And Julz: Yeah, that's but I had that in my head the entire time, just the yellow eyes, the teeth, and then him just sped it around. And I was just like Nick: bro, and that scene that like I thought that was a really str a good way to finish it off because Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: it's like The that whole scene, you really think that she's like or you you think that he might that she might have actually popped up on him and you're like, shoot. is he r is he g is he really about to end this with a happy ending? is he is that really how this is gonna go? And why Julz: Right. Nick: would she choose to do this given that he just, murdered her fiance and all this stuff and blah blah blah? But then you just Julz: fiance. Because then it's like, she's really disturbed. Nick: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then you realize, no, he's really j really disturbed. He's really just, imagining this and he doesn't even know. so Julz: He's crazy. Nick: Exactly. And that that's why I also think, we've gotten all these more we've gotten Morbius, Madam Webb, all these Venom movies, all this stuff. This is probably the best and maybe aside from Joker, like I said earlier, the bet might the best villain origin story that we've gotten in a while. that like Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: actually like he's not really an anti he's not an antihero by the end of this. He might be an antihero at some point in the movie, but by the end, he is a villain. That's a bad guy. So Julz: Yes, indeed it he is. Indeed he is, because it's crazy that like It's just insane how they did that. But I I I think that it's it was done great. I have no problem. So, obviously nine out of ten. But like I think that, you know, moving forward wherever we see him is gonna be very good. And they'll use him sparingly, but they'll use him wisely, I feel. Like where it's like the jump scare moments or anything like that, I think that's what we're gonna get. But yeah. Nick: That'd be tough. Just a the a movie you don't even think clayface is gonna be in and then he just pops out he somebody some random person just changes starts transforming and shit. You'd be Closing the book Julz: yeah. Nick: on horror, horror film number one. Opening on number on horror show. Number one. Carrie. So we both watched Carrie a couple weeks ago. Great show. Julz: Perfect. Loved it. Nick: What okay, yeah. Just before, you know, before we get into it, tell me your you know thoughts. Thoughts on the show. Julz: I felt like so basically I heard that Stephen King's like all his books are like all interconnected. And then once I heard that, I did some digging. I found out that the I think it's called like there's the Dark Tower, I think, which is the last book. And the things that hold up these dark towers is called like pillars or something like that, maybe. And basically the breakers is is about a group of psych telekinetic, you know, kids or people who are trying to who can break these pillars to bring down the dark tower. That's what I heard the lore is. So that being said, as watching this, I'm looking for these things. And then lo and behold, we get it. And I'm like, Hmm. So does that mean in seas if we get season two of Carrie, 'cause they left that there, and if Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: they just end it like that, that's fine too. But if they don't, we are in business. Because I think that if they can somehow incorporate every all these books, somehow, we're gonna get really good content from it. So Nick: Hmm. Julz: I'm here for Nick: Okay. Julz: it all the way. You know, I loved how they were like the interviewer was the person who they was, you know, like wiping mind wiping people and stuff like that. Like I thought all that was cool. Nick: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Julz: Like everything was super cool. But go ahead, what did you think? Nick: Yeah. I thought it was I thought it was really good too. no but that you saying that gives me an idea. I feel like obviously we already have the carry show, but I feel like if they hadn't done the carry show, maybe a dark tower show would have been tough. If they just Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: did the dark tower and then throughout all this so let's say they do two or three seasons throughout all the seasons you have all these different ties to other Stephen King stuff so that you could have them also some in the show in a way. But all but Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: either regardless, that just that just gave me that I I was that I think that'd be cool. But I thought it was great. I thought it was really good. the you know the original carry story is like r you know one Julz: Course. Nick: of those ones that kinda stays with you and you kinda know I haven't it I haven't seen it that many times but I you know the beats that are supposed to happen but the fact that that was kind of adapted for you know present day the way that this was I thought that was done like very very well because it's like Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: you can't really you know can't portray in the same way that Stephen King wrote it back in what the 80s or whatever or whatever came out because of you know, shit's just not the same. Like you can't like Julz: It's not. Nick: the bullying does not go down the same way in schools as it does as it did back then. And it's like it's always changing. So like I think they did Julz: It is. it Nick: that beautifully. Julz: the cyberbully stuff is very big, you know, like, you know, market or target for like, you know, writers right now as far as like how what you can come up with because like social media is powerful, it's damning. What you put out there is out there forever, so watch what you put out there. There's a lot of stuff. Nick: So for those that have not seen it or who those you know, this is just some some some quick facts, key info about the show. It's eight episodes on Prime Video. the show is show ran, written and directed by guess who? Mike Flanagan, yet again. This man has been busy in the horror space and hey, he's been eating. He's been eating, okay? So we love Mike around here. Also got the exorcist Julz: We love Mike around here. Midnight mask. Nick: exorcist martyrs coming out. Julz: Yep. Nick: next year or later this year, I believe. so we love mu love some Mike Flanagan round here. Is framed as a true crime documentary, style that's intercut with the police and survivor interviews that are tracking the aftermath of a catastrophic disaster in Chamberlain, Maine. So this structure actually pays homage to Stephen King's overall novel structure of the original book, which was, you know, which also kind of cut in back in between those interviews and things like that. So, you know, that we didn't get that in the movies because we didn't have time, but now that they got the time, Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: they're kinda bringing that back a little bit. But yes, but it's for Julz: They're paying the homage. Which is cool. Nick: a different Different read it's yes, it's cool and for a different reason, which we'll get into toward the end of this a little bit. So in the first first few episodes, we we see Carrie lose her father in, you know, an accident that happened while he was working, which causes her to have to attend public high school for the first time, you know, after she's been homeschooled her entire life, raised by parents who were, you know, pretty much you know, very anti-establishment, anti-government, very off the Grid, didn't want to involve her in any of that. But now that that she lost her dad, she's forced to now that CPS has stepped in and made sure that the living conditions are right for this girl. So following a horrifyingly public locker room panic over her first period, you all know it, school popularity, school popular bully Chris Harginson creates an anonymous Julz: Mm-mm. Nick: Instagram account called Carrie Red. the account leaks embarrassing photos and targeted harassment at other students. not only Carrie, but it turns Carrie herself into kind of a social pariah as she is the face of this account. So Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: Carrie discovers also throughout just kind of the stress and all, you know, anxiety that is starting high school, she realizes that she has telekinetic abilities and begins to study these abilities. through books and and whatnot, which is encouraged by a fellow student, Emmeline. So, those first three episodes were crazy just because like she we see her get pulled out of like you know, we d we pretty much get like we see like this innocent student like you know, kid get put into like not only she's taken out of one toxic environment f from her parents and put into another one with Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: just like your everyday high school Who just has just so happens to have Chris Harginson, who's just the the biggest raging fucking what you've ever seen. So it's like Julz: That's that's as mean girl as a mean girl can get. To the b almost to the very end. But Nick: Mm-hmm. that that girl could probably bully your favorite bully. Julz: So Chris Harkinson's friend, I can't remember her name at the moment, but Sue, Nick: Sue, I think. Julz: yeah, Sue. Sue basically convinced Chris to be a little bit nicer to Carrie. Sue or Chris invites Carrie to a party, re-traumatizing her. Once Chris's role well, actually, she got her she drugged her and got her drunk. And then Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: and then, you know, once Carrie's role in the Carrie Redd account is exposed by Sue Snell and Mrs. Desh Jarden. Chris's wealthy father sues the school. Following the insult from Kis, Carrie uses telekinesis to break her nose. So this is like during their mediation. Nick: Crazy scene. Julz: Chris, Carrie's just like, Why can't you just say sorry? I don't want to I don't want this to go anymore because, you know, now the parents are involved. you know. Her mom is like, not happy with how the school's handling it. Nobody's happy with how the school's can handle it. But the the school's just like, well, if she just shows us her phone, we can end this. Cause if it's not her, it's not her. But if it is her, Nick: Literally. Julz: she needs to say, you know, we need to handle this. And Carrie Nick: Is that easy? Julz: and Carrie was upset, you know, rightfully so, and used telekinesis to break her nose. After Chris per is permanently expelled, you know. So school wide riot breaks out where, kids are people are getting hurt, things are getting broken. you know, the Nick: I was not I was not expecting that to go down like that. Like Julz: Yeah. Nick: obviously the whole Carrie Red thing was like affecting the school as a whole, but Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: for riots to go out like that after she got expelled, I was like, bro, what? Like Julz: And then one of the teachers hung himself because he was messing with Chris's sister in law or no sis stepsister. She was living with so Chris's stepsister was sleeping with the teacher and that got exposed and he hung himself. So which the teacher another teacher found him. Who he slept with also. Nick: Bro, and that just goes, bro. Mm. That just goes right. Yeah. That just goes right back to Chris, Chris Argenson, bro. you are such a terrible person. You couldn't even be cool to your, your sister-in-law or your stepsister who like like I bro, I don't know, I don't I don't even know. obviously Julz: why don't you tell the parents, maybe, versus like, let me throw this on social media. Every I just told everybody. Nick: No, literally, bruh. Mm. Mm. And I th I I saw like a clip on Twitter talking about like Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: you could in in episode one, when Carrie first walks into the classroom, in the background, you can see what's her name talking to the teacher, and he's like sitting all up on the desk, like kind of leaning close to her. Like so they're the they like Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Julz: Mm-hmm. no, I've seen that. I did seen that. I've seen that. Nick: they're they're like little chit chatting even in the you know, but in the background a little bit before before we actually find out. Julz: Yeah, no, they were they were very they did not hide it. So it was it Nick: No, that was a nice touch. That's a nice touch. That's a Julz: was a nice touch 'cause on a rewatch I caught that too and I was like, but it was it was cool. And then at some point, you know, Carrie uses her telekinesis to overpower her mom, locking her in the prayer closet for the first time. And this is where we see Carrie kind of step into her own and you know, she's openly using telekinesis in front of her mom to flaunt it in front of her and let her know. And at the same time, her mom is trying to figure out everything she can find about this. And also she's trying to figure out whether or not it could be turned off. And then unwittingly Nick: Yeah, yeah. Julz: gets herself involved in with these gr groups, a group of negative people who want to kill teleconnect people. So Nick: And there let's let's let's take a second to talk about Carrie's mom real quick. Cause she, bro, Julz: Yeah. Margaret. Nick: man, she is crazy, dog. Like and I I feel like in this compared to the original movie, you know, in the original movie, her mom seems kind of just like, you know, she's just like abusive and like, you know, yeah. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Julz: And disheveled and all that. Just she looks like a Bible thumper. But this one is like it's it's different. And not saying Bible thumpers are bad or anything like that. I guess a gnat got in here. But not that there is anything wrong with that. But I find it kind of funny. Just a little bit. That we're get that like, you know, it was the like, like poisoning the water. They're doing this. They're trying to say that was the crazy. And I was just like, mm, I don't know about that. That's not crazy. That's true. But Nick: Nah, right. It yeah, exactly. Cause it like in this, they actually kinda go there's depth to her character. So it's not just that she's like, Julz: Yes. Nick: this Bible thumping crazy person. It's like they 'cause in the first in the first couple episodes, I'm like, I hate her, da da da, whatever. But then by a certain point, about halfway through the season, even though she's still doing crazy shit, you're still you're you're Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: like she she has to she gets in positions where she has to speak up to she has to Front people the principal of the school, other parents, Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: whatever, and you're like, damn, she's kind of right, in a bit of a sense. It's just the way, you know, she's going about it in a super extreme way and whatnot, but it's just like, yeah, you know, she your your daughter is getting treated like you know, treated like shit, and like y'all they do need to do better. But you need to do better too. You don't need to throw in the prayer closet every time you think that she's she's on some shit. So Julz: Right. I think that and I think that, her getting that upper hand again or you know, was very important to her character, so much so that she put her daughter and herself in a lot of danger. Because probably the the whole thing that like at prom might not go down like it went down had she just been on board. And like can you imagine if she was there protecting them instead of not being there. Chris Harkinson and never gets in. She wins prom queen in front of her mom and they never figure it out. And Chris Harkinson just loaded the ballot box for no reason. And then on top of all that, she probably would have clocked the lady she met and been like, yo, she needs to leave. She's crazy. And then which those other two probably don't get in either. So so if she would have been on board go ahead. Nick: That's facts. That's facts. The only my only true. My only argument there is I think that Chris and the boy and the boyfriend dude still would have got in just because they hit up the was the other girl to c to come Julz: shorty. Yeah. Nick: and let her in. But which she was a nut just we're not we don't have time to get into all yeah every character, but like that the look that little friend yeah Julz: That that character made me mad. She made me mad. Nick: Because bro she really had no reason to be like doing like she was trying to be like Chris Julz: Chris Harkison. Nick: but better than Chris at the same time. it does like I'm like bro you just chill. Just chill. Just chill. Julz: It's it got real real, real caveman for a second on who's who's you know, the top dog and the pecking order. It was like Nick: No, literally. Julz: guys, come on, let's not Nick: facts. But yeah, and then Julz: So Nick: we, we get to the the last last three episodes and, after after Chris has been expelled and, you know, the prompts coming up. so Chris Chris and you know, her boyfriend Billy, who that we you know, we've been like kind of seeing a lot of all season, who's been like you know, he's like his own Bad boy, the bad boy in his own right, I guess, but not, he whatever. He's just weird dude. But they plan a reven, you know, they a revenge plot to rig the prom queen vote in Carrie's favor and prepare, you know, the iconic pig blood prank. and then so you know when the prank triggers or triggers Carrie, you her telekinesis tears through the whole high, you know, the whole gym, everybody, you know, Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: but or you know, she starts going crazy. She loses Loses it, but she also Julz: Well Nick: gives control to what's her name? To Emily yeah, Emiline. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, we find out Julz: Emiline. Who who we found out to be the daughter of the of the crazy lady who was you know, who tried to kill her daughter. Nick: right. We find out which I I I I guess I've never thought about like this till you just said it, but we find out that the girl that Carrie has been talking to all season is the daughter of the woman that Julz: Her mom was talking to him. Nick: what's her name w has also been talking to for a few episodes and and and for basically different reasons the email is trying to get carrie to use her powers and to try to become more powerful and she's like forget about all these people you could just you could ball out and leave and then the mom Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: is like nah they gotta be put down like you don't understand you don't understand how powerful these girls are like they need to they need to die okay so it's a tricky situation but then I eventually Carrie just lets Emmeline take the Take the wheel, and she, electrocutes everybody in the gym damn near. we, we lose we lose principal Matthew Julz: Was crazy. That was crazy. Nick: Lillard, who was I loved Matthew Lillard in this show as the principal. Julz: Shaggy Nick: Bro, come on. He just wanted he just wanted justice for all the kids for real. he didn't do a great job the entire time, but he just wanted justice for all kids. Julz: He didn't. He did a horrid bull job, but he did his best, He did his best. He himself was gonna have Nick: Yeah. He did what yeah, he did Julz: to resign at some. Nick: Yeah, exactly. But I would have rather he resigned than Julz: Because 'cause literally, that teacher, like, when you really think about it, like that was the biggest thing that came out of it. And like they had a point in being like, well, it exposed something. And this is for the listeners, even our younger listeners, like when you put stuff on social media instead of going about it by the right channels, things like crazy things like this can happen. This doesn't mean someone in your school's rocking around with telekinesis. This means that treat each other you would want to be treated. And not, Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: 'cause you don't ever you never know what someone's going through. Cause her outrage could be, someone getting hurt in a fight because you picked on the wrong person and didn't know they had a whole bunch of something pinned up and then it just came out on an unexpecting person who it was probably never intended Nick: Never know. Julz: to come out at. So always keep that in mind. But I think that Nick: You never know. Julz: they did a great job, I think that they did the d they did it justice and when they leave at the end and then, we have the Carrie's mom trying to kill her, and then, Carrie brought the house down on her, and then we see Carrie's mom hold up the piece of house and then it falls on her. And then at the end, we see Carrie's mom survive. And then them talking. And then the lady erased her memory, or whatever it was, or killed her, I think. I can't remember. Did she kill her? Yeah, she killed her. Nick: She yeah, she killed her. She killed her. Damn. Julz: Yeah, she stopped her heart. That's what it was. That's crazy. That power is crazy. That power is wild. That's like Nick: Which was yeah, that was yeah, yeah. which yeah. And that part, that part, okay, that part pissed me off. Julz: That's Professor X like. Nick: Yeah, no, low-key, low-key. she was just literally just slowing down, slowing down, slowing down until she's just gone. and honestly, that pissed me off because I thought it would have been interesting to like if we're gonna get a season two exploring all this power shit, Julz: Mm, mhm, mhm. Nick: I would have liked to see what Carrie's mom maybe could have could have fucked around and done because I she Julz: Me too. Nick: ate she had enough it but in her still to be able to hold up the thing, to stop it from falling on her. And then, so but she maybe she's not dead. Maybe she just kept her as like a vegetable or something like that. I don't I don't I don't know. Julz: Who knows? We'll maybe we'll find out. Maybe Carrie will find her. But what's your what was your final score for that? Nick: Final score, Also give it an eight out of ten. I thought it was very Yeah. Julz: I'm I'm at a eight out of ten for it too as well. Nick: Very, very strong. you know, I thought I really good character writing, honestly. Like from you know, obviously Carrie and the and and her mom, that dynamic was probably the most important to me for the show. But then just Julz: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Nick: all these other characters that when you do find out what they got going on, you're like, damn, Chris, obviously, Chris is a bully, but the whole her whole family Julz: Right. Nick: situation is crazy. same with the what's her name? The girl we were talking the friend we were talking about, Susie or whatever. What was her name? Yeah, Sue Julz: Sue. Sue, yeah, Sue. Sue. Nick: Sue. Yeah, s Sue Julz: Sue Snell. Nick: and then Sue's boyfriend who ends up taking carry to the prom. bro, Julz: Which was funny. Nick: I was he just wanted he just wanted to be a nice dude. Like he just like he was he never Mm. Mm-mm. Mm. Julz: He was. And then my man bled out underneath the thing, seen the stars. Nick: Bro, bro. His head got bashed by like something. Bro, bro, justice. Anyway. so yeah, eight out of tens. For Carrie here. before we wrap it up here, Jules, do you have anything that you are excited about? Julz: as of right now I'm pretty excited for I've been playing this Modern Warfare for ready to I'm almost done with the campaign. I think the story's pretty good. And Nick: The show. Julz: I'm also excited for the Vision Quest coming to its, you know, conclusion at some point. I think that it's just, you know, it's it's getting really good and I can't wait to see what they do. five and with episodes five and six. And so I think that, you know, it'll be it'll be a great a great thing. Like I think that, you know, we'll we'll probably see, you know, Dr. Carrington kinda step into her own in her Ultron esque look. And I feel like now that, you know I I just think it's gonna be good. So but that's Nick: Yeah, yep. Julz: that's what I got though. How about you? Nick: I feel it. I feel it. Also excited for Vision Quest. I'm excited. I another movie that I saw in the past week was or a couple weeks ago actually, was You Can See Everything, the new Nathan Fielder, Elizabeth Holmes documentary that's in theaters right now. if you've heard about this or or if you you know, i if if you've heard about it and haven't seen it or if you heard about it and like have no idea what it's about, It's it's just a very interesting story, just about, following the story of Elizabeth Holmes and who was just the this this the a C CO of this company Theranos that was trying to come up with this device that could test people's blood with only one drop. Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: and so basically we find out or before the documentary, we had found out that like they were lying and the device could never do that. So, Julz: Mm. Damn. Nick: yeah, so like this is this is you know, Nathan Fielder who's like a very kind of He's very smart, but he's very unorthodox Julz: Right. Nick: and weird in the way that he does things. taking Julz: Right. Nick: having him take the reins on this with and she is like a very like she's a known liar. she's probably she'll probably go down in history as one of as one is world the world's like greatest liars, just like just off of Julz: Damn. Nick: what she's accomplished from lying. And so like putting those two forces up against each other is literally just like An insane kind of spectacle to watch and Julz: Okay. Nick: for lit for I shit you not three hours. It's a three-hour documentary. But for anybody Julz: Damn. Damn. Nick: that hears that and might have any doubts, the movie opened at $15 million and it made $19.5 million in its second weekend, which means it increased by 25%. Julz: Take Nick: in the the the in the second weekend the last time a movie increased in the in its second weekend it was obsession so this and and obviously this isn't gonna Julz: Okay. Nick: do this probably won't do as big numbers as that because it you know it's a documentary at the end of the day but that's still huge for you know documentary film as a whole and people it is the it is currently sitting at the highest rated film on letterbox of all time at a four point eight average rating And it could be the first documentary ever nominated to win best picture at the Oscars. So there's there's a this this this has a lot going for it. I recommend, see it if you if you can. if you are interested in the lore and all of that, I recommend before you see it, watch the dropout, which is the Hulu limited series starring Amanda Seifried. Trust I can't tell you why. And you, you usually you don't need homework to watch a documentary, but I can't tell you I and I can't I can't say why. But you the experience will be better for you if you watch the show before you watch the movie. Obviously, you might not not have time to do that. You might not even want to do that. If these are either of those are the case, that's fine, just go see it. But I guarantee you you will not regret watching the show first if you decide to do that. But that's my that's my soapbox. That's what I'm excited about. Julz: Okay. Okay. Noted. Noted. He said that's my that's my soapbox. I think that, you know, it'll be that's interesting then. I I kinda I'm excited to see where, you know what that what that looks like. So, you know, and I think that brings us to our conclusion, everyone. that wraps it up. For the end of the and that's another episode of the concession stand. Let us know what you thought about everything we talked about today and what you're watching or looking forward to next. And be sure to like, subscribe, and follow the show so you don't miss the next episode. But until then and until next time, grab a refill and meet us back at the concession stand. Nick: Peace. See y'all next time.