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Demonic Encounters · Walk Talk: Faith in Motion

• Randy: All right, and here we are back with another episode of the Walk Talk with your hosts Randy Dupree and PJ Verdin. How's it going today, brother? Pj: Good, good brother, how are you man? Randy: ⁓ man, I'm hanging in there. It has been one heck of a week. ⁓ if I'm being honest with you, it's it's been tough. I will s I will say spiritual warfare is real. Pj: I hear that man. super real and I think it's probably a result of whenever you do things like this and you start exposing it and bringing it to light, It's a spiritual warfare. We wrestle not against flesh and blood, man. It's real. Randy: It it is real and and s it's so easy to forget that. You know, like you said, we do wrestle against, you know, principalities and powers and high places, and it isn't always against flesh and blood, although sometimes it is and sometimes it's both. ⁓ but it's so easy to forget that. You know, we had a conversation not too long ago where, you know You you know me, I default to is there like a practical reason for why something's happening when there's audio issues and it things sound distorted, while other people might be quick to say, Hey, those are demons that are messing things up. I'm like, ⁓ I think there might be something in the AI settings or, you know, something in the in in the feedback loop between the microphone and the, you know, the ⁓ speakers that's causing something. I'm I I try to be find the practical reason. Pj: Yeah. Randy: And it's easy to forget that even though there are practical reasons, there is a spiritual war that's happening. Pj: Yes. 100 % and I mean I think it's fair to say that that you know kind of like you you know it a little while ago sometimes it's Could be both. You know, I mean it could be one or the other or sometimes it could be both man ⁓ You know, so but yeah and I mean, you know, dude I mean you have to think about the the context of Of our last episode and and some of the things that were brought to light man. I mean that's it's you know Randy: Yeah. Right. Pj: So you, I mean, don't get me wrong, know, we know, ⁓ scripturally, you know, it says that the battle was already won, but, you know, or also no weapon formed against us will prosper, but that doesn't mean it won't form. And that doesn't mean that we won't have to battle, man, you know, so. Randy: Right. That's right. Just because the battle's already won doesn't mean that we won't be fighting in it still, right? We still have to fight battles even if they've been won. And and you're right, you know, ⁓ last episode. So for anyone who maybe is not up to speed, our last episode, we, you know, had our first guest. We interviewed Gina, who talked all about how she, you know, went from the occult to Christ and how she, you know, left a very dark world and, you know. Pj: Absolutely. ⁓ Randy: stirred up a lot. And I believe that, you know, just that conversation and just giving her the the airtime and just us talking about it stirred up even more. And I feel like that's been a battle that's been ongoing this week. Pj: Absolutely. Yeah. And I mean, you know, it's one of those things, man. You know, it was an awesome conversation. You know, it was I feel like for our first episode with the guests, you know, we it was awesome. I enjoyed the episode. I love hearing people's testimonies. I do believe that, you know, they're powerful and, you know, there was, you know, had a very unique twist, you know, coming from the occult world. And and like we've talked about before, seeing the influx of people who are coming out of those strongholds, out of that culture and coming to Christ. And you know, man, I do hope that people found it helpful and inspirational, you know, as I did. But I will tell you this, you know, definitely wanted to give her all the time that we could to share her testimony and her heart with people. But man, there was a lot of things for me that it brought up that I really I was like, man, you know. Randy: Yeah. Pj: There's some similarities in stories and experiences, I kind of just wanted to hold on to that and let her talk. Randy: And I felt and I felt the same way. There was there was tons of things that she said that made me think of, you know, my own stories, you know, from from my past. And some of them, you know, you're aware of and and I think it's worth discussing. But yeah, I wanted to give her time to talk about it. ⁓ but you know, looking back over this past week and you know, I'll and I'll just say, you know, just keep me in prayer, man, because you know, without getting into all the details and the specifics, you know, I definitely, you know, it's been a struggle this week. I've definitely been, you know. Fighting a spiritual battle. And, you know, not only that, but if you look at, you know, some of the comments that some of our ⁓ shorts and our clips have been getting, I would say we've gotten more engagement than ever before. And yeah, even in our comments, there have been a lot of, you know, I would say you you could see that there's like a spiritual battle that's happening even there as well, with some of the comments that people are leaving. Some, some, some not so nice comments, some negative comments. ⁓ some disbelief, all sorts of different things that people are saying. At the end of the day, I'm happy for the engagement and happy to, you know, drive conversation. But it's just obvious that yeah, there is, you know, a spiritual component here and there is an attack. And and, you know, you know the saying, right? Like you only get shot at when you're over the target. You're not you don't get flack when you're when you're off in left field. It's only when you're over the target that you start to catch flack, and we are catching flack. Pj: Absolutely, But I mean, we, you know, not not to say we pick the fight, but, know, people people don't like being exposed, man. You know, the things that people are whispering about and back alleys and, know, and bringing bringing that spiritual that spiritual battle to the forefront. You know what mean? Like so many people think that that they can escape it just by being like, oh, I don't believe in that. I don't mess with that. I don't like. Randy: Right. Pj: And whether you believe in it or not, believes in you and it's happening all around you. You know what mean? And it's. Randy: Yeah, whether you believe it or not, it is happening. And you know, you could either pre be prepared for it and, you know, ⁓ be ready and and you know, and and actually participate actively as a combatant, or you could, you know, be a victim and you know, be victimized by this spiritual warfare as you're being attacked and you know, kind of become ⁓ you know ⁓ in the sideline where you're not even actually actively participating. So Pj: Absolutely, absolutely man, but yeah, so again good episode Thank you to Gina for for coming on and sharing her testimony with us and you know, I'll be honest I that's part of the reason why I don't I don't necessarily look at all the comments, you know I usually wait until we'll do like a recap episode because I mean I know that it doesn't really matter what what you're doing, you know, there's just some people that that just like to try to you know, be negative just to Randy: Right. Pj: for whatever reason, so I'm like, hey man, I try not to even get involved in all that. Randy: Yeah. I and I usually don't look at them at all either. It's just that ⁓ I'm with you. I usually wait till we do our recaps. It's just that there's been so many that have popped up in my alerts this week. And then like I'll see like just a few words in the alert and I'm like, ⁓ well, let me see what this says. And that it they've caught my attention, you know, a little bit more this time around. But again, at the end of the day, it's it's like you said, it's like we're we're not out here to pick a fight or start a fight or stir stuff up. Pj: Yeah. Randy: But at the same time, if if speaking truth and allowing people to tell their story and give their testimony stirs stuff up, then I mean, then that then so be it. I mean we're not we're not picking a fight, but we're also not, you know, running away from a fight either. Pj: Well, I mean, and there are a lot of people who find truth offensive and that's just the nature of it. You know what mean? And I think, you know, the Bible, I think I want to say it's in Romans where, you know, it talks about how, you know, God will give people up to their own foolish thoughts or whatever, you know, not necessarily. That's the gist of it. It's like, you know, if you you know, God, you know the truth, but you still want to deny them. He's like, OK, well. Go ahead with your foolish way of thinking, you know what I mean? And I think that that's basically what we're seeing firsthand. It's like, I mean, I don't understand how there could be so many negative comments for somebody sharing their own personal experience. Like, how are you going to tell somebody that what she's experienced is not correct? It's wild to me. Randy: Yeah. Right. Right. It is wild. So so let's get into it. So let's let's get even more wild here with some of the experiences that we've had. Because yeah, I think for both of us, ⁓ you know, as we were hearing her tell her story, we both, you know, had some memories stirred in our mind regarding some of our own stories that you and I have experienced personally, ⁓ as well as other stories that we've heard from, you know, our family members and Pj: Absolutely. Randy: And look, anyone out there who's listening, you gotta understand we come, you know, we're from southern Louisiana. ⁓ it's a place where, you know. Pj: Right Evil is very prevalent around these parts. Unfortunately. Yeah, it's well known for evil, you know Randy: It it's yeah, it's well known for, you know, people who practice like voodoo, for example, and all sorts of like witchcraft. It's like an area that it's those sort of things are very common. And, you know, it's also an area where go ahead. Pj: I say it's like part of the culture almost, right? It's like, you know, that it just is here. It's, yeah. Yeah. Randy: It yes, yes. It's part of the culture, it's part of the history of the area. I mean, New Orleans was a major port where most of the slaves in the country were brought in through the US. So there's already like a lot of evil and wickedness, you know, because of just that, right? And just because of the age of the place. Because I mean, you know, when it when you think about it, the history of our country. Like a lot of it goes through New Orleans. Battles, ⁓ you know, a lot of ⁓ a lot of negative things, a lot of different cultures have mixed there, where there was Haitian cultures and and you know, Catholic and Protestant and Christian and and paganism and you know, Indian tribal customs, there's like a lot that's just mixed in in southern Louisiana. Pj: Yeah, I mean, I think it's there's a pretty good pretty good reason why the majority of like the Like scary movies and stuff like that, you know, New Orleans is nine times out of ten in them involved in them You know what mean? That's you know that there's Randy: Yeah, I mean Anne Rice has half the world convinced that vampires are real and they live in New Orleans, right? And and who knows? I mean, there is like a whole culture of people who call themselves vampires that live in New Orleans and actually Pj: Right. And drink blood. Yeah, they legit, yeah, they legit drink blood. They've had their teeth filed. I mean, you go to New Orleans and you could find just about anything, any body. I mean, there's people who, you know, are tattooed and have ⁓ body augmentations where they have horns underneath their skin or they've dyed their eyes black. mean, there's people with split tongues that look like reptiles. I mean, you name it, you could find it in New Orleans. It's just ⁓ in the culture. Yeah, it's wild. Randy: Right, right. It it is, it is. So so one story that we kind of talked about a little bit, just to recap, you know, because we did share a little bit ⁓ in that episode, but you know, I I don't remember if you and I actually had talked about this, but and again, I'm not gonna say any names, but someone so so Gina had mentioned that she saw people's eyes transform into the eyes of like serpents, right? And you know, especially right now with the UAP topic that we've been discussing and all the disclosure that's happening. There's been talk of like reptilian races, which I personally believe are demons. And and it just made me think about the story that I had heard from a very close friend of ours whose you know I shared a little bit about, but he said that his dad told him that no kidding, in a meeting, he saw a guy transform into what he said was a demon, but he described As basically a reptilian, you know, lizard type of person. And I know you know who I'm talking about. And his dad is the most like dry, straight, you know, straight and narrow guy that you would ever meet. And for him to describe, you know, seeing a person transform. Now, whether whether it was a physical transformation that took place that other people had they been in the room would have seen, or if it was just like a veil. being pulled back from his eyes to see, you know, what this person was really like underneath. I don't know, but I I believe that he whatever he described seeing, he actually did see. And he says that he saw this person transform into a lizard person. Pj: Right. Yeah, and so just to add context, this was 30 years ago. You know what mean? This was this was so so this is not like how now they're talking about the four different races of aliens and stuff like that. I mean, this is way back. And mind you, whenever Randy says like this, this is the type of guy who like didn't mince words like this might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but he was the type of dude who wouldn't say it's raining cats and dogs outside because he's like Randy: Yeah, it was yeah, exactly. Thirty plus years ago. Right. Pj: he's not that figurative. You know what mean? He's like, listen, yeah, right. Correct. Correct. So he's just very straight up. Like, I mean, it's not like I saw something that looked like this dude, you know, had a long tongue like a lizard. No, he was talking about this dude was a reptile person. Like, you know, yeah. Randy: Because that would be an exaggeration and you could call him a liar because he there's not actual r cats and dogs and you don't want to be accused of lying. He transformed into a demon that had the appearance of like a reptile. And yeah, so I mean, so this, I mean, and look, this there's there's been thousands of people who have seen things like this and reported it. This one is very close to home to us, and and I don't believe everything that I hear, but when I hear someone say that they've seen someone's eyes transform, it just reminds me of that story. Pj: of a reptile, Whoa. 100%. And I think, you know, I guess, ⁓ you know, we've also had that and many other different kind of encounters with supernatural things and things, I guess, that people would consider, you know, evil or demonic or the occult or whatever. And so ⁓ maybe that's why we having this conversation with Gina for us was like, ⁓ no, yeah, like, you know, and to other people, I mean, I'll be honest with you, and my wife is is one of those people. Randy: Yeah. Pj: where she's skeptical about everything. She has to see to believe for the most part, not with her faith or whenever it comes to God, but she's just very skeptical about everything. it's like, us on the other hand, I feel like we grew up with this just kind of, not even just necessarily from being from where we're from, but we've had family members just to add some meat to this bone. Randy: Yeah. Pj: our mom's grandmother legit worshiped the devil. Had a shrine and would legit and did some evil things. We grew up hearing these stories, these firsthand accounts. We've lived in houses where we've experienced things. Randy: Right. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I and I've experienced things firsthand. I've heard stories of, you know, other siblings of ours who have seen and heard things. ⁓ but yeah, I mean, it you know, our our mom, you know, will be the first to admit, like you said, that her grandma worshiped the devil and she placed curses on people and what whatever you believe about curses, there is something to it. I don't know how it works. I don't claim to know how it works. Is it Sending a demon to torment a person and and follow them around, or is it something else? I don't know, but I know that there is something to it. I don't claim to understand it fully, but I do understand that it it's something that actually happens and it's not just a psychological phenomenon because in some of these cases, like the person who was cursed didn't even know about it until after all kinds of things were happening, which you know brings me to another thought that you know. Pj: ⁓ 100%. Randy: I I do believe that houses and places could legitimately, you know, have you know be haunted, quote unquote haunted, and whether that's like demonic spirits or the spirits of, you know, people. I I don't want to really get into all that, but I also want to say that I definitely think people could be haunted. And that's that's partly what happens when some sometimes when a curse is placed on someone is a person. Pj: ⁓ yeah. Randy: And and I think personally, you know, when a person is haunted, they're probably being followed around by some sort of demonic, demonic entities, whether it's a demon or a Nephilim or whatever it is, it's some sort of demonic, you know, presence that's following them around and tormenting them. Pj: Well, so, I mean, to go back to the conversation with Gina, I mean, she, you know, she made sure to clarify that, you know, that they were doing spells, but they weren't hurting people, which means that obviously there are spells that you can do to inflict harm on someone. And then I think about, you know, the first place my mind goes here, and what you just said is, you know, the Bible talks about it pretty clearly, like, you know, people who had these unclean spirits or had to have demons cast out of them, like the things that were happening. I mean, Randy: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Pj: I think that that's all it is, is almost like somebody basically utilizing something in a way that gives an evil spirit consent to be more active in somebody else's life, even though they did not try to open any doors themselves or engage in anything. I think that that's something that can be unleashed on it. I mean, you think about the Pharisees, you know, It's crazy that their argument whenever Jesus is casting demons out of people is not like, he didn't really have a demon. He had a psychological. He's like, no, you're casting out demons by demons. So it's like that just goes to, right. Right. So that just kind of goes to show you that it's probably ⁓ pretty commonplace. And even the way it nonchalantly ⁓ Randy: Right, right. They weren't denying that something was happening, they were just denying the source. Yeah. Pj: Remember there's I don't remember where I said in the Bible, but it talks about you know Mary Magdalene who had seven demons cast out of her just like you know just like oh that's who she was Mary Magdalene that had demons in her that that got cast out yeah, that's her like you know I mean, so I mean it's It it kind of you know gets thrown around a little bit flippantly but I mean you know so it cuz I mean I feel like even in today's age we think we're so smart and there's so many things that we figured out and Randy: Yeah. Pj: and this that the other, there are people who are just like, ⁓ that's just a bunch of hocus pocus stuff. That's not, you know, and it's like, well, I don't know. Randy: Right, right. Well well, I will tell you, you know, one of the reasons why I became such a, you know, strong believer in God was because I first believed in the devil. And I first believed in evil. And it was partially because of my own personal experiences that made me believe there were evil forces and and and there therefore the devil had to be real. And you know, therefore, you know, God had to be real. And so I will I will tell you, and I and I don't know if I've ever shared this story with you. I think I have, but Pj: Mm-hmm. Right. Randy: You know, I'll share it again because it's one of the stories that came to mind to me when I was listening to Gina talk last week. But ⁓ I remember, you know, we lived in Wagaman and ⁓ I remember I I had to be around nine or ten years old, something like that, maybe eleven at the oldest. And ⁓ I just remember it was like late at night and I couldn't sleep, and I got up and I just went and sat in the living room and I just turned on the TV. And I turned on the TV and I just remember there was this really weird, like animated movie that was playing on the TV. I'm pretty sure it was the movie Heavy Metal. If anyone has ever seen it, it's kind of like a pornographic cart cartoon, but it's like I don't even know what it's about, honestly. There it's just it's called heavy metal. I'm pretty sure that's what was on, but it was like on MTV or something like that. Late at night, I just turned the TV on and just sat there and just started watching TV. ⁓ anyway, after just a few minutes, I don't I don't think it was more than two or three minutes of sitting there, I heard footsteps coming from the hallway that ⁓ you know where our bedrooms were. And I got up to go see what it was, and it was one of our sisters, and I won't even say her name, but it was one of our sisters who, like me, couldn't sleep, and so she was going. To the living room. And so I asked her, said, Hey, what do you want? And she's like, ⁓ I I just need some water or something. And so I was like, Okay, we'll get some water and then go back to bed. It's late. You know, I don't want us to get in trouble. So she got some water and like I went with her in the kitchen. She got some water and then I walked with her back in the hallway and she went back to bed. And then I turned around to go back into the living room where I was just sitting and watching this movie. And as soon as I turned around and looked at the couch that I had just been sitting on. The couch had moved. It had moved like a few feet. And I remember just thinking as a kid, like I I know like we used to move our furniture. It seemed like we were always rearranging the living room. I mean, partly because we moved a lot, but then partly because, you know, it seemed like there was, you know, we were always changing things up. And so I remember standing there just looking at the couch and thinking, Am I just crazy? Was the couch, you know, did we did we recently move it around? And that's why I'm confused as to why the couch looks like it's In a different spot, or did the couch actually move in the time that I walked with, you know, our sister to the kitchen and then back to her room, did the couch move, which it had probably only been like two minutes? And so, like, I remember just going and sitting on that couch and just kind of like in a daze, like just thinking about this. And then when I looked back towards the hallway where I was just standing, like I saw these like two like yellowish green like eyes. Just glowing, just staring at me in the hallway. And like I was a little kid and I and I freaked out because I had heard of stuff like this. I had never seen anything like this. But I s I swear to God, like, you know, this is what I remember seeing. And I just freaked out. And so I started like yelling and crying for everybody to wake up. And ⁓ I think I started turning on lights, and then you know, mom woke up and and and and I don't even remember who all was there, you know, if if all of us were home or who all was there or not. But I just remember, like, you know, mom took it seriously. Like she was like, Yeah, I believe that you did probably see something. Now look, I was 11 years old. Could it have been like I was sleepwalking or having some sort of night terror? I I don't know. It it very well could have been something. But at the time it was real to me. And I thought that you know I really had an experience and I and I still do. I don't, you know, it could have been something else and I'm open to that. But I also think that I actually did see something. And it wasn't just because of this instance, it's it was because of so many other instances that were similar that had happened to not just me but other people in our family that made me think that I actually did see something. And I just remember, you know, mom saying, Look, you need to write out a prayer and just pray to God. And and this was like, look, none I would say none of us at the time were, you know, right with God or following Jesus. And so, you know, mom was telling me to do the best thing that she knew for me to do, which was Pj: Right. Randy: Write out a prayer is what she said. And I was like, I don't even know what that even means. I don't even know what I would write. ⁓ but I remember that being the thing that I was told to do. And like from that point on, like, you know, that was just one of several experiences that I had. But that was one that really like caught me off guard because it came out of nowhere. ⁓ you know, and like I said, I just saw like I I don't even remember honestly if there was like a silhouette. Like in my mind, I kind of picture just those eyes kind of floating there. But I want to say there was a hint of a shadow around them, but it was such a dark hallway I couldn't even see. It was like black on black, right? It would have been like a shadow in the dark, which is almost impossible to to differentiate, you know, between the the two where one stops and the other starts. But I remember that that instance very vividly. And I remember how I felt, which was like this crazy, like eerie. like just fearfulness that just like, you know, exploded in me really out of nowhere. ⁓ and and that was it. That that's that's really that's, you know, I I wrote out my prayer and that was the end of it. And I didn't see anything like that ever again. But that instance really, you know, it really shocked me. Pj: ⁓ yeah. Well, and I mean, we we've had like so whenever we moved to Colorado, you don't remember like how many pictures we had with like like little figures that you can make up. Like I remember that that part that went upstairs. So like whenever you walked in from the main door, remember how there was that level and then there was a kitchen and you can either go down a level or can go up a level. Well, those stairs like right there, like where our rooms were. So whenever we lived in wide for whenever we first moved to Colorado. Randy: Which which house which house was that? Okay, yeah, yeah. I remember that one, yeah. Pj: Right? So you would walk in the door and then not too far, like the stairs would go up to our rooms and stuff like that. And I remember there was a picture of like a little girl peeking around that corner and stuff like that. mean, we used to have legitimate and maybe mom still does pictures of these kinds of things where you, we didn't even realize what we had captured until after the fact or like, you know, Randy: Yeah. Right. Pj: So I will get to you know I talked to mom after that episode with Deena aired and and ⁓ she oddly enough same thing for her. She she brought up a story that you know we had heard before but she's like I hadn't thought about that in years and years and years but she's like that's what it you know he kind of brought back from her made her think. So I'll get to that in a second. But but I was just going to say man like I remember seeing this picture myself. I don't know if you've ever seen it. I'm sure you had to have. But there's a picture. ⁓ of mom sitting on a couch pregnant with you in her belly and there's your face in ⁓ a lamp. Have you seen that picture? I've seen it. Randy: Yeah, man, that's a picture I hadn't I haven't seen it or even thought about it in a long, long time. But I do remember seeing that picture, you know, when I was really young. Yeah. Pj: So 100%. So just for all of you guys listening out there, I've legitimately, my mom had this picture of she was pregnant with Randy sitting on a couch. And ⁓ there's a face of a baby glowing inside of the lampshade. it was years before she, Randy had to get to be like three or four years old. Before she was able to even tell that it was his face because before that she didn't even recognize she's just like ⁓ look there's a little face in here like and it's not like some kind of blur like it's very like you you can see I believe whenever she showed me the picture She showed me the picture and a baby picture of Randy and like you know what I mean? You can you can see the similarities. It's it's it's crazy and mind you you know it was she was pregnant with Randy and the face in the picture was him at like three or four years old. So, you know. Randy: Yeah, I I remember seeing that picture. ⁓ it's been a long time though. Yeah, I I haven't I hadn't even thought about that or remembered that, but you just reminded me of another similar story. I don't know if you ever heard the story about our, you know, our papa, but he, you know, was actually born, they say, and I don't even know exactly what this means, with two front teeth and a veil over his face, which I'm not even sure what that was, but in his culture, you know, he's you know was like full blooded Indian, you know, grew up on the reservation and everything. And like to them and their culture, that was like ⁓ I don't know, it was a ⁓ what is the word I'm looking for? Like an omen. Yeah, like an omen. ⁓ Pj: Omen. Omen. And just for context for y'all listeners, Paw basically means grandfather or something like that. That's yeah, that's that's what we call it. But go ahead. Randy: Right. Yeah. Yeah. S it's similar story, just the fact that, you know, just because, you know, you brought up, you know, you know, infant, you know, being an infant and papa, I remember, you know, ⁓ you know, having something similar, you know, with him being born kind of unusual. ⁓ you know, and I don't I don't know what that means. I don't if so if anyone out there's listening, you know, have has heard of something similar and you're like, hey, I know exactly what this means, please let us know. Pj: Right, right. Yeah, well, and look, man, I remember, you know, whenever I was living with my grandmother who, you know, she was very devout, devout Catholic was basically trying to I mean, she had me go into Catholic church and all that stuff. I mean, she it's again, very I guess, and I'm not even sure if it's just in the area, but it's very like second nature, like it's very it's not even like a question. mean, they believe in so much of this stuff, like in the same way that they believe in God. They're just like, yeah, it's just Randy: Right. Pj: It is what it is. And man, remember like, you know, and I wouldn't say that, you know, I can kind of feel like some people would say, ⁓ well, maybe, you know, kids sometimes just have an over ⁓ active imagination. Well, I don't, you know, like, so there was too many instances where, like, I would see things and I would know things that there was no other way of seeing or knowing unless I had experienced them, right? You know, I had a great grandmother. Randy: Right. Pj: who I don't even remember remotely at all. She died whenever I was very young, I believe still a baby. And all I ever heard was that I was one of her favorite like she, you know, apparently just was drawn to me. I don't remember her. ⁓ Anyways, I mean, there was multiple, multiple times where I would, I'd saw her. And like, I would see this, this woman wearing it like a purple nightgown. by my door, like I would catch her like watching me and I'd freak out. And I knew it wasn't my grandma because I didn't I lived with my grandma, but I didn't recognize this lady. And like and and I would I saw her multiple times and I was just like I was afraid to even say anything about it. You know what mean? I was just just kind of kept it to myself until, you know, one day I brought it up to my grandmother. I was like, listen, I, you know. Randy: Mm. Yeah. Pj: I think, matter of fact, I think I went and asked her if I can go sleep in her room because it just got to this point where I'm like, feel like I keep seeing this thing. so I ended up telling her, I'm like, yeah, I keep seeing this lady in purple and I'll catch her just watching me. And then whenever she sees me see her, she leaves or disappears. But it wasn't just a poof. She would pull away from the door and then I'd go out there and there was nobody there kind of thing. Randy: Wow. Pj: And so she basically she was like, oh, apparently my great grandmother died in the room that I was staying in in my grandmother's house. You know, whenever she had gotten sick, they were taking care of her. And yeah, the room that that she passed away in was the what now was my room. And I was like seven, eight years old at this point. You know what mean? So she had been dead for a while. And I never knew because I didn't I didn't really know her like that. But but yeah, man, I mean, there's been. And so was just, hearing these kind of things was kind of like par for the course. You know what I mean? And yeah, I mean. Randy: Right, right. Yeah, I mean a hundred percent. And ⁓ I I think I remember you telling me that story or sharing that story, you know, maybe with ⁓ a group of us at some point. Did I did did I ever share the story with you before that I shared earlier about ⁓ about the eyes that I saw floating in the highway? No? Is that the f Pj: No, No, no, and yeah, that was the first I remember hearing that. And actually, I thought you were going to talk about ⁓ one of our sisters whenever she saw the Grim Reaper thing and and it remember wanted her to go outside. I think we were staying in Mississippi at the time. Randy: Okay. So so yeah, so there's a lot of stories there. So when we lived in Mississippi and I forget, I think I w do you remember were we in Bay Saint Louis or Kilne? We were somewhere around in that area. That Pj: ⁓ Yeah. So that's what I wanted to ask you. Where were we living at whenever that story you just told happened? Okay. Oh yeah. You did say that. Sorry. Randy: That was in Wagaman. So that was in Wagaman. So but but there were lots of stories from when we lived in Mississippi. So so when we lived in Mississippi, and I forget, I think I think I think we were we were in Kiln is where I believe we were, K I L N. and you know, we lived, you know, our street was maybe, you know, a mile long and maybe had four or five houses on the whole street. So we weren't like totally isolated. But there was lots of farms around us and lots of woods around us. And we were definitely, you know, we definitely had a lot of like space and a lot of what's the best way to say it? there was just a lot of opportunity for weird stuff a around that area. But but in the house that we lived in, and I believe that that house was owned by our stepdad's uncle or something like that, who was letting us live there. I personally had Pj: Yeah. Randy: an experience. I know our siblings had experiences there where people saw and heard things. We even we even knew of our neighbor who was having experiences. But I'll start with sharing one that I had personally because it ⁓ it leads into you know what our sister had because in this one was a pretty minor one, but like I just remember like at the time my bed was literally a mattress on a box spring on the floor. There was no frame. There was nothing, you know, under the bed. There was no under the bed. No, no way to be scared of a ghost under the bed because there was no under the bed. ⁓ and I remember just one night going and laying in in bed, and just as I was about to fall asleep, the whole bed shaking. Like someone just grabbed it and shook it. Which, how could it be shook in when it's on the floor? There's nothing to shake, right? The whole house would have had to shake. But I I remember it as clear as day. Pj: Right, right. All right. Randy: That it it shook, which again, it's a very small minor thing. Could be a figment of my imagination if it wasn't for the fact that other things happened. So you alluded to our sister ⁓ you know, seeing things, and I'll I'll let you kind of explain that one and I'll maybe chime in if I remember anything that you don't, but I do remember, you know, one of our sisters at least, ⁓ having some pretty crazy experiences. Pj: Well, yeah, and I just remember because, you know, she told it to me hysterically at the time. And then after she he was telling other people. I mean, it was just I'm like, holy cow, like what what is going on? And so and I remember mom having, I guess, a conversation with the neighbor and them having a similar experience with one of their children. I can't I want to say I was their daughter as well. But anyways, from what from from what I was told. Randy: Mm. It was. Pj: by our sister is that she was sleeping on the sofa bed with our other sisters and she got up to go get some water. Well, whenever she got up to go get some water, she was in the kitchen and the kitchen door had like a glass like four pane window in the door and you could see outside. And she said whenever she was drinking water that she saw what she described is what you would expect the Grim Reaper to look like, right? Black cloak over a white skeleton face. And she said that it was like motion in her like to come outside. So she said she freaked out. She bolted back to the living room, jumped back in the bed with her sisters and pulled the covers over her head. And she said she was just waiting, just in fear, just waiting there, but she was with her sisters. And she said, She like peeks out from underneath the covers and she's kind of looking around to see if if it's in there. And she said she didn't see it. But she said whenever she looked up, she said the ceiling opened up of the house and she said she can see like the stars like she's looking up, laying in the living room, looking up and there's no ceiling there. She can see the stars. And she said this this grim reaper figure was ⁓ just huge and was basically like this. And she said she felt like she was starting to lead, like go towards him. And she said she started screaming and freaking out. And then, you know, next thing you know, like people start, ⁓ you know, waking up and like what's going on and what's going on. And it's gone. He's gone. Sealing is normal. And she's just freaking out. And she was like, you know, hysterical mom. wanted me to go with him. He kept saying, come with me, come with me, you know, and this, that, the other. And then So I remember all this happening and then mom talking to a neighbor and them telling mom that they've like found their daughter outside their house like walking towards these woods and that somebody told her like, hey, come with me, come with me. So yeah. Randy: Yeah. Well, yeah, see, I remember that a little bit different. ⁓ I and and maybe mom could clear it up because I remember her saying that she saw the neighbor girl walking outside by herself at night. And I believe she said she asked her about it after Kristen had or after our sister had said that, you know, told us the story, right? And and I if I remember correctly, she asked the girl and the girl kind of like shied away and was just like Pj: ⁓ maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Randy: basically said something to the effect of like, you know, he told me not to talk about it or something like that. But but mom had actually seen the girl outside by herself, like she was with someone walking the streets at n like really late at night, like the early hours of the morning. So yeah, and this was a person that like we knew that like, you know, we played with, that like came over to our house and, you know, was, you know, not comfortable telling what was going on. ⁓ Pj: Yeah. All right. Yeah. Randy: But in that same house, I also do remember, and I believe one of our cousins was over at the time. I remember us all just kind of hanging out, and all of a sudden our younger siblings and our cousin come running into the living room freaking out because someone or something was staring at them through the window. Do you remember that? And I remember, you know, like us, yes, like a face to the window. And again, like our nearest neighbor, like if if Pj: Yeah, I do remember hearing that. Like right up face to the window, right? Yeah. Randy: In the time it took us to go outside to go and see what was going on, there's no place for them to have run to. They couldn't have got if it was our neighbor, they could not have gotten to their house in time because the houses were spaced so far apart. There was no place for anyone to go and hide. But we went outside looking and there was nobody there. But they swear that they saw someone with their face against the glass looking at them. Pj: Man. So I'll tell you this, and this is legit, probably the most terrifying thing that's happened to me. And it happened to me as an adult. And I mean, to the extent that I'm pretty sure somewhere in a Facebook memory, I legit put a post that said, if something happens to me and I don't wake up, tell my kids that I love them. Like, dude, it was wild. ⁓ So I was. Randy: Wow. So that sounds recent then. Pj: Yeah, I mean, this was so my my oldest would have been, I think. Yeah, well, he would have my oldest would have been two, two or three. Yeah. So, I mean, this was about, I mean, 12 years ago. But I mean, I was a grown man. You know what mean? And I was staying with my aunt. just I think I want to say I just moved back down here. And so I was staying with with my aunt at her house and her house has been notorious for paranormal activity. I mean, she's had. like, I mean, she's had it blessed because, you know, I believe she's Catholic and she was Catholic at one point, like priests have come and blessed it. mean, she's had people who come to put in Internet and they're like, man, my my machines are reading crazy. If I'm standing within like the, know, like like in on the side of your house, like it goes crazy if I step off. She's like, anyway, just all these things happen. That's beside the point. So anyways, so you said face in the window. Randy: Sure, sure. Pj: So I had ⁓ I'd just gotten off work and I had worked nights and and so this was early in the morning and I was just I wasn't I wasn't tired yet. Right. So I was playing on my phone and and I was laying laying in my room, laying on my bed, playing on my phone. And, you know, I was just like, ⁓ man, I know I need to get some sleep. And so whenever I clicked my phone off, like to like I mean, need to stop playing on this thing. You know how? It just turns black, but it's like a reflection. So there's a window above my bed right behind me. And I see this thing pressed up, like looking at me through this window and in the reflection of my phone. So dude, my first instinct is to throw my phone down and look behind me. And whenever I go to, I can't, I feel it push on me. Like it's just got me pinned and I couldn't move. I couldn't scream. I couldn't do anything. And I was just like... Randy: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. ⁓ my gosh. ⁓ my gosh. ⁓ my gosh. Pj: I was trying so hard to get it out and I couldn't and I want to say that that lasted for like two or three minutes where I'm just like trying to scream and try to get off me and I can't move and then all of a sudden like it let up and dude I freaked out I bolted I went I lived and mind you like I said I'm I was probably dude 30 years old almost 30 years old I I went sleep in the liver room on the couch and I made that Facebook message like I don't know what just happened to me Randy: Wow, that's crazy. Pj: but like I'm afraid to go to sleep. Like I don't even know if I'm going to wake up. Randy: Okay. All right. So so you know what that reminds me of. I don't know if Papa ever told you this story, but did he ever tell you the story about Aunt Jemima? Pj: It sounds familiar, but I don't readily recall. Syrup, yeah. Randy: Okay, so you know Aunt Jemima, like the the syrup lady, right? The syrup lady. And he this is how he described it to me, right? But he told me, and again, just for everyone listening, picture like he grew up like on a reservation. He lived out in the swamps, like on camps, like no one around for miles, just dark woods with trees with moss hanging on them. You know, he had to take a ⁓ a boat to school. Right? He he didn't even have a way to get to school other than like a ferry that took them across the bayou to school. He told me that when he was a kid, him and his siblings, if they were bad, quote unquote bad, they had a window in their living room with the couch up against the wall, with the window behind you as you sat on the couch. And when they were bad, their mom, dad, whoever made them sit on the cut couch and While they were sitting on the couch, they could see in the mirror across the living room what he described as something that looked like Aunt Jemima show up behind him in the window. And that was their punishment for being bad kids. Was they would have to sit on that couch until this thing showed up and basically freaked them the heck out to where they never wanted to be. Pj: That's wild. Yeah. Randy: misbehave again. And I'll be honest with you, I never knew how to take that story. Like, you know, we you know, you hear those kind of things as a kid and it's like, okay, is this just, you know, someone's trying to scare me straight so that I'm not bad or whatever. But it sounds very similar to what you just said. And I never heard you tell that story before. And it and it honestly gave me goosebumps as you were telling it because as soon as you started to before you even said when my phone went black, I saw the reflection before you even said that I knew exactly where it was going because it reminded me of Papa's story. Pj: ⁓ no. Yeah, dude, it was wild. There's not a whole lot of people that I told that story because it shook me. It really did, All these things, like, so I will, since I prefaced it earlier, had a conversation with mom and, ⁓ you know, so... Randy: Wow. Well hold on, hold on. Before you before you tell that story though, I just want to go back real quick, quick. Can I go real right back to to Mississippi? Because so much stuff happened in Mississippi. I just wanted to just ⁓ one more thing I want to say that happened there. So when we were when we lived in Mississippi, I had a friend that lived down the street from us. It was probably like ⁓ I don't know, a half a mile walk to his house. And he lived in an A frame house. I will always remember he lived in an A frame house. Don't know why that stuck out of my head. Pj: Yeah, absolutely. Go ahead. Randy: But we did this very stupid thing, which was we used to like mess around with the Ouija board, he and I. And some days after school, I would just get off at his bus stop and we would just hang out. Some days, you know, I'd get off at our bus stop and I'd walk over to his house later on. This particular day, we wanted we had the Ouija board. We're talking about it on the bus and we wanted to go play with the Ouija board. So we got off the bus and we went to his house, and his parents weren't home. But he didn't have his key. For whatever reason, the dude had forgot his key. So we were gonna go do the Ouija board in his house. No one was gonna be around. It was just gonna be him and I kind of messing with this thing. And instead, we're doing it out on his porch because we his he doesn't have the key to his house. So we're literally just doing it on his porch, messing around with this Ouija board. And I kid you not, man. While we were sitting on his porch messing with this Ouija board, we started hearing. all kinds of noise in his house. Like someone was just like tearing his house apart. Just it I mean you could just do you remember me telling you this? And and his par and and we were freaking out. We're like, what is going on there? But you know it started off kind of subtle and then it kind of like increased and then finally we got to the point where we're just like all right we'll we put we put this thing away. We're not going to mess with this thing anymore. And then so we went I remember we walked across the street to another friend's house and we went and hung out with him until we saw the dude's parents get home. Pj: ⁓ Yeah, I remember, yeah. Randy: When we saw his parents get home, we walked back over because they had the key to let us back into the house. And so we all went into the house. And I just remember his kitchen, like all his cabinets were open. Pots and pans and dishes had just been pulled out. Some of it was thrown on the floor, some of it was just like broken, laying on the table. Like it was just a mess. Like someone had gone in there and just was like, and so the parents thought like somebody had like broke into their house and vandalized it. And we were just like, ⁓ my gosh, like we either a someone was in there doing that while we were sitting on the porch, or B, this was something spiritual that was happening. To this day, I don't know. Is it possible someone broke into their house and we just didn't hear them and they were looking for something? And and then when when we heard them, you know, making a racket, making a mess, you know, we got the heck out of there. Sure, that's that's absolutely possible. Is it also possible that we were stirring up something in the spirit world and it was manifesting itself ⁓ to scare us. Well, if that's the case, it worked because it it it did scare the crap out of us. Pj: Right, right. Yeah, I do remember you telling me that one. Yeah, like, yeah, that's wild, man. And see, I that's one thing. Like, I felt like I was very aware of Ouija boards as a kid and what what that led to, because I knew multiple people who had this like similar stories, I would at least say, about the things that that Ouija boards opened up. and so ⁓ so, yeah. Getting back to this story with mom and I mean we had heard this you know ⁓ story whenever we were kids and I guess you know based off of Gina kind of talking about you know I guess there's more along the lines of being able to shape ships right which is what I would say it appears that these reptilian people have the ability to do ⁓ Randy: Well, and this story that you're about to tell also took place in Wagaman, which is where I saw my first, you know, entity that I described earlier. Just a different house, different house, but not very far from where my incident occurred. Pj: Yes. Right. Right. Right, right. And so ⁓ basically from from what I remember, mom and I can't remember who was who I was with her. Do you remember? know because I know that there was like at least one or two other people was there with her. so, yeah. So, yeah. Well, but no. So there was multiple. They all saw the same thing. So they were sitting on this couch and they were watching this scary movie. There was, you know, like I said, her and. Randy: I don't remember. I just remember what she saw. Yeah. Pj: one or two other people and they were sitting on the couch watching this scary movie. And she said, in this scary movie, there was this creature with like red hair and crazy eyes and like fangs. And I guess it was like attacking people with some kind of like, know, creatures, a monster movie. And she said that they were sitting there watching this and she said, all of a sudden, the same creature that they were watching on the TV, like pops up and stands up. Randy: Mm-hmm. Pj: from behind the TV. She said it looked exactly like it looked in the show. She said it had the blood running down its mouth like it had just eaten something and it it looked at them and then bolted out the front door. And she said they were screaming hysterically, freaking out, freaking out. And ⁓ and she was like, you know, she was like, very, very vivid. I remember she telling us that, you know, whenever we were younger. And she said that's the story that ⁓ that, you know, Tina's ⁓ testimony made her think about. And so it's just it's wild man. Like, you know, again, there's so many things that that we grew up hearing and, and I feel like, you know, now walking with God, I feel like, you know, it adds some validity to it, because it does make you aware of the spiritual realm, man. And you know, the thing the thing about it is for me, like, I remember I believed in Randy: Mm. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Pj: all these stories because I mean, you the people who were telling us our own experiences. And I remember again, like our neighbors telling us like, ⁓ like this thing was telling like there was so many people in our circles that were, you know, having these same experiences or had these, you know, I mean, how many people have heard ghost stories? And if you've never experienced it, yeah, you write it off. But it's like, it's like, man, you know, like kind of like you said, nobody questions. Randy: Right. Right. Pj: you know, if you had these experiences, don't question whenever somebody is telling you their experience. And I just, you know, I kind of find it funny that even in those same pockets, like you have people who still kind of question the existence of God or, you know, or the spiritual realm, and it's just wild, man. Randy: Yeah. It it it is, man. It is. And and let me just say this too that you know I had a lot of experiences and people close to me had a lot of experiences. And I I tend to, you know, always default despite my skepticism, despite my rationality. I I believe people see something, whether it is what they think they saw or something else. I believe that people most people are not just making up this stuff. I know I'm not making it up. And I always leave the room that sure, yeah, it could have been something else. But I just from what I saw and the way I it made me feel, I think that it was X and not Y. But it very well could have been Y. But let me just say this, you know, I I I I got saved at 16 years old. You know, when when I and I know that despite that being over, you know, thirty plus years ago, I know. Well, actually, no, it's not 30 plus years ago. I'm not that old, but it's it's it's getting it'll be 30 years in a few years. but it's been a long time. It's been a long time. And and I know beyond a doubt that I was truly saved and that the Holy Spirit came inside of me at 16 years old because I I know that my mind has been different ever since and and that I've felt different inside ever since. And, you know, even though I still sin daily, even though I'm far from perfect and I still have a lot of growth. Pj: Yeah, I was like... Randy: ⁓ ahead of me, I know for a fact that I've I am saved and that I've been saved and that, you know, I'm sealed by God. And I could honestly say that since that has happened, I've not had any of those experiences happen to me since. ⁓ have there been times where yeah, I maybe heard something, I'm like, ⁓ what is that? You know what I mean? Like that couldn't quite explain little things that maybe have happened. Sure, there there have been. ⁓ I I could think of one in particular, you know. A few years after you know we first got married, I remember looking for a hat of mine, like looking around my house for a hat that I wanted to wear, and I could not find it anywhere. And then I left and came back home. And the hat that I had been looking for was like sitting on the table. And I'm like, there is no way I would have missed that hat. I was looking for it so diligently. Pj: Right. Randy: And here it was, like as soon as I walk in the door, right in like my line of sight. And I'm like, ⁓ and I asked, you know, everyone like, hey, did anyone put it there? Did someone find it? No, nobody did. Okay. That's kind of weird. You know what I mean? That's kind of weird. Is it also possible I just didn't see it? That's also possible. ⁓ and there might have been one or two other instances where maybe there was a sound that, like, you know, I'm in the house by myself, but it sounds like someone's walking. Things like that. Very few and far between though. Nothing like what we experienced growing up at all. Nothing even close to it. And the only thing that I could attribute it to is, you know, greater is he who is in us than he who is in the world. And, you know, we when you got God inside of you, then you know, it doesn't mean you're not going to be attacked by demonic forces. There is that battle, but I think it's different. I think that it's different. They're they're Pj: Right. Randy: ability to stay and torment you is is limited, I think, ⁓ because you have God inside of you. Pj: Well, 100 % you know, I mean, Jesus said it, I think it was in Matthew, whenever he was like, you know, basically, I'm going to cast these demons out you. And unless you, you know, basically receive this, spirit, you know what I mean? Or, you know, keep yourself clean, then more demons are going to come into you and they're just going to find your house well swept and whatever, and they're going to be more whatever, you know? So the point of the messages like, Yeah, if you get rid of all that demonic stuff and you don't allow the Holy Spirit to fill up that space, then it's just they're vacant waiting for something else to occupy it. You know what mean? And I will say that I kind of feel like I've had different experiences, supernatural experiences. But I would say that there are things there where I would explain it as being I'm still aware. Randy: Yeah, yeah. Pj: That something is something is different. Something is off. But what I can tell you is, is it hasn't felt like an attack like it had in the in the past. You know what mean? Like I didn't feel like like this thing was was actually ⁓ coming at me or affecting me. But I was able to be aware of things that are going on and kind of be like, man, you know, like where as before, I very much. Yeah, I guess maybe because I didn't have that the Holy Spirit. Randy: Right. Pj: there to fight that battle for me. And it was just kind of like me. I guess you can say I felt a lot more vulnerable in those situations. ⁓ But yeah, man, I can I can agree with that, that I haven't really felt that. Yeah, man, it's it's just, you know, it really is the spiritual realm is around us. And it's crazy to me that that people will or more inclined to acknowledge and accept. Randy: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Pj: the demonic side than they are the holy side. know what I mean? It's like, you know, like you never, I mean, I know that there are some people out there, but it's like, you know, you don't really hear a whole lot of people. You don't hear as many people questioning the existence of the devil or demons or anything like that as you do for God. You know what I mean? It's just wild. I guess, you know, it's just. Randy: Yeah. Right, right. It and it makes sense 'cause I mean you just you don't have to look far to find the worst kind of evil and it's just so hard to believe that this is, you know, not the product of some sort of evil spirits, entities, you know, the devil, whatever you want to call it. It it's there's just so much evil that exists, right? And so yeah, so I think that's ⁓ that's a big reason why people Pj: Right. Randy: Seem to, you know, they seem to struggle with believing in God, but not the devil, because yeah, it's like God, it's like, you know, the world it testifies that he's real, but you have all this negative, you know, stuff that's happening that, you know, is just so tangible and you feel so viscerally that you know, it it makes you feel like, man, yeah, there's definitely something evil out there that definitely is real. ⁓ but yeah, it's Pj: I don't care. Randy: And it and it's all real. At the end of the day, it's it's all real. And what I would just say to anybody out there who feels like they are being haunted or they're being tormented or you know, they live in a haunted place, a haunted house, whatever, I would just say, you know, call out to Jesus. You need you need Jesus, and you know, Jesus will come into you and and that will change everything. ⁓ the Holy Spirit inside of you will definitely, you know, ⁓ help you to Pj: ⁓ yeah. Randy: fight those battles and if it doesn't completely come to an end, ⁓ it will definitely, you know, be minimized and you will definitely have the strength to deal with it because God will be, you know, fighting the battle with you. And like we said at the beginning, you know, even though the battle's won, it doesn't mean we don't have to fight it. We still have to fight it. Pj: 100%. Yeah, I mean, David still had to pull out his sling, you know what mean? And slay Goliath, you know, God gave him the victory, but he still had to fight. I would look, I would also just say, you know, generational curses are real. That's a real thing, you know, you know, and those things have to be broken. And I would say in my personal opinion, that that's part probably of why we had some of the experiences we had. I know You know, mom has talked about how her grandmother cursed them for years and years and years. mean, like you said, people can be haunted. We moved all over the place. We moved like once a year, even all the way to Colorado. Got completely out of this area. So we've lived in Louisiana. We've lived in Mississippi. You can say, same, same. You know what mean? A lot of similar history, lot of similar background. We went all the way up north to Colorado and still had these experiences because it wasn't necessarily the places that we were staying. Randy: Mm. That's true. Pj: you know, we were we were haunted. We had, you know, these things from from family members dabbling with stuff. You know, we have a grandmother who who read tarot cards and, you know, played in the occult stuff. Now, we ourselves personally weren't involved in the occult. And I want to make that clear, like you don't necessarily have to be involved in occult practices for, you know, these kind of things to to play a part in your life. And I mean, I think that it just goes to show it's like, you know, whether you invite the evil in or not, it's there and it's real and it can affect your life. So, you know, all the more reason to give your life to Christ and at least have Him guiding you and guarding you and protecting you and fighting these things with you. Otherwise, mean, you're basically in the lions den at all times and you don't know like the things that are circling you, you know, in your naivety, just walking around thinking, ⁓ these things don't exist. And you're just, you know, you're you're just prey in the middle of a of a war of predators. It's crazy. Randy: Yeah, 100%, man. Well very well said. Very well said. Well, I think, ⁓ at least for me anyway, ⁓ those were the things that came to mind as we were listening to Gina give her testimony ⁓ last week. I'm glad that we got a chance to get together and kind of just share our experiences because I mean, I think we both shared some stuff with each other, even that we had not shared before. But ⁓ listening to her, you know, definitely jog some memories loose in our minds. So Pj: Yeah. Randy: ⁓ appreciate the conversation and being able to kind of review these with you. Pj: Absolutely. Yeah, and you know, again, there are so many other stories. And I would just encourage everybody out there, you know, I'm sure that many of you have had your own, ⁓ you know, stories or encounters with things that you didn't quite understand or you know somebody. And so just food for thought, like, you know, and thinking about those things like, you know, where do you sit with it? And if you're willing to entertain the idea of those encounters with any kind of supernatural spirituality to be real, then how much more should we believe in God if you don't? Or how much easier should it be to explain to somebody or tell somebody about God? you have a scary thing that happens to you, you're like, guys, you're never going to guess what happened to me. I heard things going bump in the night. But then whenever it comes time, you're afraid to tell somebody, hey, listen, you know what? The creator heaven and earth loves you and he wants you to save your soul and stop you from going to hell and hell is real and demons are, you know, it's like just, just, I don't know. That's just kind of what it would, makes me think, man, you know, it's like, if it's easy to share the bad stuff, then how much more encouraged should we be to share the good news, you know? Randy: Amen amen, man. I totally agree. All right, brother. Well, hey, what do think? Pj: I think that's a wrap for this one, man. Randy: I think so too. I think so. So ⁓ I think that's it for this episode of the walk talk. Thank you guys so much for listening. If you haven't already, make sure to like and follow and subscribe to show. And before you go, let us know what you think in the comments down below. God bless. Pj: God bless. Randy: My ⁓ batteries.