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The Manager Interview Question That Exposes Real Leadership · The Science of Leading

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  Welcome to the show.
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  I'm Claire Monroe with Edwin Carrington,
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  and Edwin, I keep thinking about this very specific hiring tragedy: a
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  candidate walks into a manager interview,
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  speaks in clean sentences, says things like "I empower my team," makes
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  great eye contact... and somehow gets the job over someone who's actually
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  better at leading.
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  It's like we're rewarding presentation,
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  not performance.
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  That happens constantly.
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  Most manager interviews reward polish,
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  confidence, and familiarity with leadership language.
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  What they do not reliably test is judgment.
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  And managerial work is mostly judgment under pressure.
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  What do you do with a struggling employee,
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  a conflict between strong personalities,
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  or someone who delivers great work but cannot be relied on?"Judgment
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  under pressure" feels like the real job description.
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  Because when you ask something like,
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  "What's your management style?" it sounds thoughtful... but it's almost
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  impossible to evaluate.
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  Exactly.
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  That question invites branding.
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  It invites a slogan.
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  "I'm collaborative." "I'm a servant leader." That tells you very little.
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  A better question is grounded in reality.
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  Tell me about the last time someone on your team became unproductive
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  for several weeks.
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  What did you notice first?
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  What did you say?
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  What changed afterward?
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  Now you're working with evidence.
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  So the value is in the sequence.
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  Not just "I coached them," but what they saw,
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  what they did, and what actually happened next.
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  Yes.
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  Specific behavior, specific decisions,
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  specific outcomes.
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  The strongest manager interviews consistently probe a few core areas:
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  handling underperformance, resolving conflict,
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  delegating based on strengths,
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  and motivating different personalities.
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  Those are not abstract topics.
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  That's the daily reality of management.
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  Let's take delegation,
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  because that one gets oversimplified fast.
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  Asking "Are you good at delegation?" is useless.
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  Everyone says yes.
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  But if you ask, "Tell me about a time you had to reassign work because
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  the original owner wasn't the right fit," suddenly you're testing whether
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  they can actually diagnose talent.
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  And whether they're willing to act on
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  it.
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  Many managers hesitate because they confuse fairness with sameness.
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  Effective delegation is not equal distribution.
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  It's aligning the difficulty and importance of work with the capability
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  and development needs of each person.
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  That distinction alone probably filters
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  out half the "I'm great at delegation" answers.
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  And motivation is another one that sounds impressive until you actually
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  press on it.
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  "I inspire my team." Fine.
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  How?
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  Because motivating a driven top performer and motivating someone who's
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  burned out are completely different problems.
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  Exactly.
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  A useful question is, "How have you motivated two team members with very
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  different personalities?" Strong candidates will describe how they adjust
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  based on what drives each individual-autonomy,
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  recognition, stability, challenge.
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  If the answer is one-size-fits-all,
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  that's a warning sign.
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  It also shows whether they see people as individuals
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  or just... a category called "my team." And conflict is where this usually
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  breaks down, right?
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  Very often.
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  Ask, "Tell me about a conflict between team members that affected performance.
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  What did you do?" Then listen carefully.
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  Did they address behavior directly?
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  Did they stay neutral?
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  Did they push toward a workable resolution,
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  or just try to keep the peace?
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  Someone who says, "I stayed positive and let them work it out," may be
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  pleasant, but not effective.
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  Pleasant and ineffective is a risky combination
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  in a manager.
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  Let me try a scenario.
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  A candidate says, "I had an underperformer,
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  so I checked in more and offered support." That sounds fine on the surface.
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  What are you listening for next?
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  I would ask,
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  "What was the performance gap,
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  specifically?" Then, "What expectation did you set,
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  by when, and what happened?" Because "more support" is vague.
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  If they say, "Response times were averaging 72 hours,
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  we needed 24, I set a two-week plan and reviewed daily,
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  and by day ten we were at 18 hours," that's concrete.
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  If they can't get specific, they may not manage with precision.
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  That level
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  of detail changes everything.
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  It shows they can define a problem,
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  not just talk around it.
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  And maybe that's the bigger pattern here-behavioral questions force people
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  to bring actual proof.
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  Precisely.
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  Past behavior is not perfect, but it is far more informative than abstract
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  self-description.
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  Another useful question is, "Why do you want to lead?" Not because passion
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  guarantees success, but because motivation matters.
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  If someone is drawn to authority or status,
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  it tends to surface.
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  Stronger answers focus on responsibility,
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  developing others, and improving outcomes through people.
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  So the real
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  question isn't "Can this person sound like a leader?" It's "Can this person
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  show how they've led when things weren't clean or easy?"Exactly.
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  And once you have the right questions,
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  structure becomes critical.
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  A manager interview should not be a free-form conversation guided by
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  instinct.
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  That's how charisma wins.
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  Structure ensures that each candidate is evaluated against the same competencies,
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  with the same level of rigor.
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  Let's make that practical,
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  because "structure" can sound bureaucratic.
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  What does that actually look like for a frontline manager role?
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  It can
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  be quite simple.
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  Define a small set of competencies-coaching,
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  conflict resolution, delegation,
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  accountability, communication.
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  Then weight them.
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  For each one, use a consistent scale with clear definitions.
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  A high score in accountability might mean the candidate sets explicit
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  expectations, tracks follow-through,
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  and addresses missed commitments with real examples.
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  A low score means they speak in generalities without evidence.
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  So instead
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  of "I liked her," you're comparing candidates across the same dimensions,
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  with the same standards.
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  That's a very different kind of decision.
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  It is,
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  and it protects against being overly influenced by confidence.
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  Some candidates are highly fluent.
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  Fluency is not the same as competence.
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  What about measuring success?
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  That's another place where answers can stay very high level.
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  "I drive results." Okay... how are those results defined?
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  Ask directly:
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  "How do you measure success for your team?" Strong answers include both
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  outcomes and operating metrics.
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  Not just revenue or completion,
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  but quality, cycle time, retention,
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  error rates-whatever is relevant.
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  Then ask, "What do you do when those numbers decline?" That follow-up
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  matters because many candidates know how to describe success,
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  but fewer can describe how they handle failure constructively.
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  And that's
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  where you see whether they default to pressure or avoidance.
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  I've seen both.
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  Either everything becomes a crackdown,
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  or nothing gets addressed clearly.
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  Neither builds trust.
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  Trust comes from clear expectations and consistent follow-through.
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  For example, one manager might say,
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  "We value responsiveness," while another says,
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  "Every request gets a response within two hours,
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  and we review exceptions weekly." The second approach is measurable and
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  actionable.
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  That kind of specificity makes an answer believable.
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  But there's another side to this.
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  Candidates need context to answer well.
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  Absolutely.
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  Interviewers should provide enough detail about the role,
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  the team, and the challenges to make answers meaningful.
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  If the team is burned out or the expectations are high-pressure,
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  say that.
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  Structured interviews are not about trapping candidates.
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  They are about creating a clear and relevant test.
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  And that makes it a
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  two-way process.
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  You're not just asking, "Can this person impress us?" You're asking,
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  "Can this person succeed here?" And the candidate is evaluating the same
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  thing in reverse.
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  Exactly.
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  And if you're thinking about how to apply this in practice-how to bring
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  more structure and clarity into hiring-that's where tools can help.
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  It's a practical way to make hiring more consistent and more predictive.
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  Which
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  is really the goal.
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  Not just a polished interview-but a better decision about who can actually
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  lead.
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  The interview should not be a stage for slogans.
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  It should be a window into how someone behaves when others depend on
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  them.
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  That's a good place to leave it.
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  Thanks for listening to The Science of Leading.