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Ep. 18 | In The Beginning | Working From Rest, Not Working for Rest · The HighDive

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SPEAKER_00: You brought your Bible today.
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SPEAKER_00: I have my Bible with me.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow, this is gonna be an exciting episode.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh week three in Genesis.
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SPEAKER_00: But before we get in, like uh did you guys vacation this summer at all?
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SPEAKER_00: We did.
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SPEAKER_00: We went down to Florida.
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SPEAKER_01: Sweet.
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SPEAKER_01: Took a week down there.
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SPEAKER_01: I got to play golf.
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SPEAKER_01: Nice.
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SPEAKER_01: It was nice.
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SPEAKER_01: The weather was great.
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SPEAKER_01: Just rested.
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SPEAKER_01: How's the golf swing?
0:31
SPEAKER_01: Uh, considering that was like the first time I've really played golf in like a decade, it was great.
0:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Still have room to improve.
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SPEAKER_00: I uh I don't know how you guys are, but we we actually we went vacation into the summer.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Everybody's back in school.
0:47
SPEAKER_00: That's when we like to go.
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SPEAKER_00: We went down to Florida.
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SPEAKER_00: It was extremely restful.
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SPEAKER_00: But we we're already talking about what we're gonna do for vacation next year.
0:57
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
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SPEAKER_01: Brenda and I take a husband wife trip getaway every November.
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SPEAKER_00: And we're already like thinking about it, putting it on the calendar, marking the dates.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, for us, sometimes that's because it's financial.
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SPEAKER_00: We like how much is that gonna cost and how much do we need to start saving?
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SPEAKER_00: But also, like if we don't put it on the calendar, it's just not gonna happen.
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SPEAKER_01: Correct.
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SPEAKER_00: It just gets your the the calendar gets eaten up with other things.
1:24
SPEAKER_01: True, yeah.
1:24
SPEAKER_01: So believe it or not, I think that has a lot to do with Genesis.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh it has a lot to do with how it starts and how chapter two begins.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we're actually going to talk about that today, not just about vacations, but about rhythms, about rest, about um cadence and all the things.
1:44
SPEAKER_00: So, Moadim, that'll be a word that we come back to later.
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SPEAKER_00: Moadim.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:49
SPEAKER_00: So, with that being said, consider that the hook.
1:52
SPEAKER_00: You have been hooked.
1:54
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
1:55
SPEAKER_00: Uh, welcome to the High Dog Podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: We're so grateful that you were here.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm Ricky.
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SPEAKER_00: This is Alan.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, we're pastors here at Calvary Baptist Church.
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SPEAKER_00: High Dog Podcast is a ministry of Calvary Baptist Church.
2:06
SPEAKER_00: We're walking through Genesis.
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SPEAKER_00: And this past week on Sunday, we looked, we kind of really zeroed in on Genesis 114.
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SPEAKER_00: And there's some things about that that we really didn't have time to get into.
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SPEAKER_00: So today we're gonna talk a little bit about numbers, not the book, but the actual numbers, numerology.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: We're gonna talk a little bit about literary devices and more importantly, kind of the big idea of rhythms, cadence, yes, rest and celebration, and all those things.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's gonna be a fun episode.
2:42
SPEAKER_00: Let's start with numbers.
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SPEAKER_00: Like when you first hear about numerology or numbers in the Bible, where does your brain go first?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I go to the book of numbers.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I go to like these ages of things that are like years and years old.
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SPEAKER_01: Those are some numbers.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, and then I go to things like Ten Commandments, okay, seven days of creative.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, there's lots of numbers all throughout the Bible.
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SPEAKER_01: You're more spiritual than me.
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SPEAKER_00: I went to like uh triggering trauma, maybe.
3:17
SPEAKER_01: Oh okay.
3:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've I've got that's in a compartment in the brain that has a lockbox on it.
3:23
SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, I might unlock quicker than yours because in our independent Baptist fundamentalist church, which I'm extra grateful for.
3:32
SPEAKER_00: Yes, uh extremely grateful.
3:33
SPEAKER_00: That's a foundation for stuff 100%.
3:35
SPEAKER_00: Yes, but you know, we would we would hear things, and maybe this wasn't the intention, this is just the way I received it as a child.
3:43
SPEAKER_00: Yes, but it was kind of like more correlation of the study of numbers in the Bible to Da Vinci code, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Like they were like clues.
3:53
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
3:53
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, like this number was this thing and this number was that thing.
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SPEAKER_00: And it kind of is, but it kind of planted in my mind like now we could gotta crack this code and we can figure out when God's coming back.
4:04
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because of it can be used improperly, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh that being said, though, there is intentionality to numbers in the Bible because there are some numbers like uh three, seven, yes, ten, forty.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, like there are some numbers that keep coming up, correct?
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SPEAKER_00: And they're more than just they are a little bit of a key.
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SPEAKER_00: There are a little bit of a clue for what the numbers symbolically represent.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so so we see some of those in Genesis.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, what are some numbers that you see in in Genesis one specifically?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, in Genesis one, the number seven is a important hyperlink in terms of how that the whole chapter is put together.
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SPEAKER_01: The number 10 is an important number in terms of how the chapter is put together.
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SPEAKER_01: And the number three.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, those are those three numbers, three, seven, and ten, are baked in structures to the text.
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SPEAKER_01: They're not they're necessarily explicitly stated.
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SPEAKER_01: The number seven, the number ten, the number three.
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SPEAKER_01: But the way in which the text is structured, the structure of the text is really highlighting those values.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, almost as if they're patterns.
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SPEAKER_00: Like there's yes, that's a great way to think patterns of three, patterns of seven, patterns of ten.
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SPEAKER_00: Like even I dropped a little clue, I think now two weeks ago in the sermon about this podcast episode when we were reading all the way through, I think verses three through twenty four, and I said, uh, did you notice how many times it says according to its kind?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's ten.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
5:53
SPEAKER_00: Oh, why does that matter?
5:55
SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna get into that a little bit today.
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SPEAKER_00: So there are ten, and God says in the text.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think uh, like let's let's at a high altitude um patterns of three, like there's there's threeness of God, like in creation, God, the word, and the spirit, yes, we see in verses one and two this pattern of threeness of God, which is isn't explicitly talking about Trinity, but we see the concept of the Godhead right out of the first two verses, which is beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, you where else do you see patterns of three?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, you've got you've got the Tovu Vavohu.
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SPEAKER_01: The great job.
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SPEAKER_01: The formless and void, and we see that there are three days of one and three days of the other.
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SPEAKER_01: And so that triad of days both create order and fill.
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SPEAKER_01: So there's a triad three.
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SPEAKER_00: And they start to they start to hit each other.
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SPEAKER_00: One goes with four, two goes with five, three goes with six, but they're in groups of three.
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SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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SPEAKER_00: So we have a triad of that.
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SPEAKER_00: So there's a pattern, right?
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SPEAKER_00: I like triad.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, what about seven?
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SPEAKER_00: Where did we see that pattern in Genesis one?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, we got seven days of creation.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, you miss this in the English, but it's there in the Hebrew.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, Genesis one is seven words.
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SPEAKER_01: That's amazing.
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SPEAKER_01: Long.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, Genesis one and two is 14 words long.
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SPEAKER_01: A try, a die a dual set.
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SPEAKER_01: We're getting intervals up.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: So we're getting multiples of seven.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and so those are important ideas.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, seven times Genesis one says, and it was so.
7:42
SPEAKER_00: And it was so, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Or seven times it specifically says, and God saw.
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SPEAKER_00: So we're seeing, we're seeing a pattern right there.
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SPEAKER_00: So we've seen patterns of three, we've seen patterns of seven.
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SPEAKER_00: Where do we see patterns of ten?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, as we've mentioned, um there are ten and god saids, and God said, 'Let there be,' and God said, 'Let there be.' And God, there are ten of those.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, there are okay, interesting though.
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SPEAKER_00: In that, in that ten of the God saids, three of them, God says that about people, seven of them, God says that about create created creatures.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So even within the ten, we see three and seven again.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: And then um there's one, uh my brain, I should pull it up, where you get the and God says on each day, but then there are two days where he says there's an and God says twice.
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SPEAKER_01: So there's some emphasis on those days.
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SPEAKER_01: Emphasis on those on those, yes, that's right.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, so though those two numbers are woven in the text almost like it was intentional.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
8:53
SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh, there's more like uh ten times a God uh to make is used, ten times let there be is used.
9:02
SPEAKER_00: And so there's there's a pattern, and I rather than viewing that necessarily as a Da Vinci code, there is some emphasis, there is some rhythms, almost suggesting maybe there's some poetry happening.
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unknown: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Um do you think uh I didn't prime you for this question, but do you think some people have a hard time processing that there's poetry involved here?
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SPEAKER_00: Is that create could that create a problem for people?
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SPEAKER_01: I think I think if if you're not aware of Hebrew poetry and you read it, you don't necessarily pick up on it that it's poetry, because it's not like it's rhyming, you know, it's not like it's not like pr particular meter, because you lose that when it translates into English, right?
9:54
SPEAKER_01: So you lose those things.
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SPEAKER_01: So you kind of have to have some helpful expertise, commentaries to kind of help highlight right some of that poetry.
10:02
SPEAKER_01: But it I think that in the English we kind of miss some of it, although if you read it over and over again, you begin to see how it is created in this rhythmic pattern, which is consistent with how we understand and think of poetry.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think there's two two things that are starting to connect.
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SPEAKER_00: We started with numbers, the numbers themselves have meaning.
10:25
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: There is uh, and I don't want to chase this rabbit.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll just maybe this is a nugget that somebody could explore later.
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SPEAKER_00: But in the Hebrew language, there is consistent symbolic references to what the number three means, what the number four means, really every number up to 10, and then intervals of tens onto the hundreds and thousands, which is why 40 matters and a thousand matters.
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SPEAKER_01: Um sometimes the numbers aren't necessarily designed to give you an actual number as much as they're using a number to give you something symbolically, correct.
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SPEAKER_01: That that is true, that happens throughout the Old Testament because the writers are trying to tell you something and they're using numbers to help communicate what they're trying to tell you.
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SPEAKER_00: Or even uh this is an example, this is a move or a teaser, even when you move into the New Testament and you see where Jesus would go um into the decapolis and what or the in the garrison on the other side of the sea, the that 10 and what that ten number represented in their culture.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Something to tease for you to explore.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think for the point of this conversation, though, in Genesis, where all right, so we're seeing these patterns, so each of those numbers have a symbolic meaning, but they're also referencing poetry or a literary device, and ultimately they're trying to help us start to maybe have the framework to see a specific literary device used all throughout ancient literature, not just Hebrew literature.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, and it's the idea of something that is a chiasm.
12:14
SPEAKER_00: Well talk to us about what that is and why that matters.
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SPEAKER_01: So a chiasm is a literary structure that has repeating patterns that are designed to draw your attention to a central or a core idea.
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SPEAKER_01: So you'll see patterns where repeated phrases happening on both sides of the chapter, so at the beginning of the chapter, at the end of the chapter, you'll have similar vocabulary and similar words.
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SPEAKER_01: And then more internally, you'll have similar words or similar vocabulary, and then you'll kind of get to the middle of that, and there'll be a thought or an idea that the writers are really trying to draw your attention to.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So a chiasm is a literary device, it is a it is a way of writing a story or a way of writing information to really draw the reader's attention to what is the point or the lesson or the most important thing I want you to get, or what is it that I'm structuring this to really draw to your attention.
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SPEAKER_01: And so the way you recognize it is by looking for repeating words and repeating patterns within a text.
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SPEAKER_01: And some chiasms are easy to see, some of them are kind of buried because they're really tied to the Hebrew and you miss them in the English.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, some chiasms are really difficult to see, and you need an expert to kind of help guide you, which is why commentaries become helpful and important that thing.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, but when you discover a chiasm, especially in the Old Testament, it it should be like light bulbs have gone off, and there's a there's a flashlight on that central point of the chiasm to say, this is what I want you to understand.
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SPEAKER_01: This whole story is pointing to that thing.
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SPEAKER_01: And when you see them and you begin to uncover them, uh it really helps draw the message of scripture out, which is why the chiasms are the kind of are the kind of evidence that reinforces the idea that we say Old Testament especially is meditation literature.
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SPEAKER_01: Like you just don't read it and get the story and be like, I'm done.
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SPEAKER_01: No, no.
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SPEAKER_01: The authors, what the whole through the Holy Spirit is guiding us to see things more deeply.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's part of the Jewish historical sort of literary style as you you dig, you dig, you dig.
14:38
SPEAKER_01: You talked about this, I think, last week or the week before, of how you kind of dig below the surfaces until you just sort of keep finding this nugget of really deep truth that becomes precious to you.
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SPEAKER_01: And so a chiasm allows you to sort of identify that.
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SPEAKER_01: And they're basically um they run in parallel.
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SPEAKER_01: So there's an inverted.
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SPEAKER_01: So if we used um letters, A, B, C, so if you read a paragraph or a group of text and you have um a phrase A, and then at the bottom of the text you see the A again, whatever that word may be, rest and rest.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it's and then you move in, you have B and B, and then C and C.
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SPEAKER_01: And what those things are doing, they're trying to draw your attention to what the most important part of that chapter or that passage is.
15:23
SPEAKER_00: Using your letters, that would then be D.
15:25
SPEAKER_00: That would be D, right.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that's an idea of an inverted chiasm.
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SPEAKER_00: Sometimes they run parallel, like A, B, C, and then we repeat it, A, B, C.
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SPEAKER_00: And then you go for the thing, what was in the middle between those two.
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SPEAKER_00: Right, and maybe that's the main idea.
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SPEAKER_00: I I thanks for explaining that.
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SPEAKER_00: Here's a couple of ways as I receive that is they can be tricky to see, uh, but they're very intentional and they're meant to be seen.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
15:55
SPEAKER_00: I think kind of going back to that trigger that I mentioned a minute ago, I think a good comparison would be this is not intended to be like the Da Vinci code, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Where only a few people can find this, or you're not really meant to find it.
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SPEAKER_00: It's more of like um, I don't play video games as much as I used to, but I do like movies.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
16:19
SPEAKER_00: And um sometimes in video games or in a movie, especially if like if Marvel does this a lot, there'll be like this little Easter egg that's planted, like it may be a prop in a room, and it's oh, they want you to see that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's not it's it's not hiding, it's there, right?
16:39
SPEAKER_00: But you can miss it and still get the story.
16:43
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
16:43
SPEAKER_00: But oh, if you get that, I was like, oh, I see what they're doing there.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, so it pushes to a deeper meaning.
16:54
SPEAKER_00: That's correct, yeah, and that's the idea.
16:56
SPEAKER_00: So I think the chiasm in Genesis 1 is much easier to see.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because because I at first pass I may miss this three days I'm forming, three days I'm filling, but this is crazy.
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SPEAKER_00: If you're studying this in the Hebrew, it's this clear.
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SPEAKER_00: If you add up all the words in the Hebrew and you divide them in half, it points to the middle word.
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SPEAKER_00: The middle word, yeah, which is in verse 14.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
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SPEAKER_00: If you take the more obvious structure, A B C days one, two, three, and then four, five, six, and I if I folded a piece of paper in half, the middle is the beginning of day four, which is verse 14.
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SPEAKER_00: So uh Genesis 114 is the middle of the fold.
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SPEAKER_00: If I total up all the words in verse 14, there is a Hebrew word Moadim, which some translate this as seasons, some translate it as uh sacred times.
18:09
SPEAKER_00: So what does what does your ESD translate?
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SPEAKER_01: All right, so Genesis 114, and God said, let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons.
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SPEAKER_01: Seasons.
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SPEAKER_01: Maodine, right?
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SPEAKER_01: That's the word, right?
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SPEAKER_01: For signs and seasons.
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SPEAKER_01: That's the middle word of the chapter in the middle verse of the chapter.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: So there's an opportunity for the listener for you today, like maybe explore more about the the symbolic meaning of numbers used in ancient Hebrew.
18:46
SPEAKER_00: Uh, there's the idea to maybe tease and explore further on chiasms and where they are and what they mean.
18:54
SPEAKER_00: But let's let's dig into this one this morning.
18:57
SPEAKER_00: Uh, are you familiar with the word Moadim?
18:59
SPEAKER_00: I'm familiar with it, but please explain.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm not a I'm not gonna pretend to be a Hebrew scholar.
19:05
SPEAKER_00: I'm just yeah, I'm not an requirement experts to help us understand.
19:08
SPEAKER_00: That's correct.
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SPEAKER_00: So um there are traditionally four different words that are translated throughout the Hebrew narrative for Sabbath.
19:24
SPEAKER_00: The idea of Sabbath.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh one of those words is Shabbos.
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SPEAKER_00: Shabbat.
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SPEAKER_00: So that is the literal Sabbath, which is applied to um in every Saturday in the Hebrew culture.
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SPEAKER_01: Sunset Friday to sunset Saturday.
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SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
19:43
SPEAKER_00: There is there's another word that's sometimes used that literally means like stop.
19:48
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
19:49
SPEAKER_00: Cease what you're doing.
19:50
SPEAKER_00: Cease.
19:50
SPEAKER_00: Cease.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, cease what you're doing, which we'll talk about this in another sermon, helps us understand how we apply and practice Sabbath today as a non-Jews.
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SPEAKER_00: Um there's another word uh that would be used for Sabbath, and it's more the idea of rest, and it would it would more specifically apply, let's say, if there's a Jewish holiday that we were supposed to Sabbath rest, but it's not Shabbat.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, which has yeah, maybe maybe there's a a feast day that happens on a Tuesday, right?
20:26
SPEAKER_00: Then we would use a different word for what's not Shabbat, but it's still we're supposed to do the verb of Shabbating or resting, but it's not the Shabbat.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
20:37
SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like uh uh what is it, a common name versus a popular name, proper name.
20:44
SPEAKER_00: There you go.
20:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I knew it started with a P.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: And then now we come to the Kayam.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: There's the Moa or Moa Deem.
20:51
SPEAKER_00: This is more the idea of um seasons, and it's a word that would tie to we're gonna stop and celebrate something.
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SPEAKER_01: Like we're gonna stop and have a party.
21:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:05
SPEAKER_01: Um feast days.
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SPEAKER_01: It's yeah.
21:07
SPEAKER_01: Um, you happen at the Day of Atonement, and you have these Pentecost Day Pentecost seasons.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna stop my work and we're gonna Moadim.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna, we're gonna stop the thing that we're gonna do, and we're gonna celebrate spiritually like what God has done here.
21:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:27
SPEAKER_00: So uh let me ask you a question.
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SPEAKER_00: Why, let's go back into the mindset of the original audience who would have received this.
21:37
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
21:38
SPEAKER_00: Why do you think this message would have mattered to them?
21:42
SPEAKER_01: Well, they literally have spent 400 years in bondage, and their day consists of, as you mentioned this in in sermon last Sunday, Sunday week ago, um their their day consisted of how many bricks did you build today?
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SPEAKER_01: You construct today.
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SPEAKER_01: Like there was no day off.
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SPEAKER_01: They worked and made bricks six days.
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SPEAKER_01: Like this was their life, brickmaying, brick making.
22:11
SPEAKER_01: And so this concept of rest or ceasing or sabbath is foreign to them in every aspect of their life.
22:21
SPEAKER_01: So this would not be something that would be part of their daily practice or their weekly rhythms or whatever.
22:27
SPEAKER_01: They have been in slavery and brickmaking has been their identity.
22:31
SPEAKER_00: And I think this is a a major shift in their worldview, where, as I said in that sermon that you referenced, God had done the miraculous work to get Israel out of Egypt.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: Now he's got to help get Egypt out of Israel.
22:47
SPEAKER_00: And so, no, guys, you your value and worth is not tied to your production.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: Your value and worth is tied to who I am, who I've called you to be.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: So that means uh I need you to rest in that.
23:03
SPEAKER_00: I need you to trust that every day.
23:08
SPEAKER_00: And I need you to stop and celebrate and have a party from time to time.
23:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:12
SPEAKER_00: You know, and he he even wove this further into the Torah than, you know, you think about it.
23:18
SPEAKER_00: He established, he established a weekly Shabbat.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: Six days you shall work, seven you shall rest.
23:29
SPEAKER_00: He established uh feasts, festivals all throughout the year.
23:35
SPEAKER_00: Like, okay, now it's time for you to plan to stop, slow down, celebrate, and rest.
23:43
SPEAKER_00: Not just take a day off from your work, but more importantly, to reflect back on what God has done, see where God has brought you, and celebrate that.
23:55
SPEAKER_00: Yes, absolutely.
23:57
SPEAKER_00: I I think I think it it just reinforces that uh we're not valued based upon what we produce, but on who God is and who he has called us to be.
24:07
SPEAKER_00: It's kind of yeah, uh, I'm borrowing something I said a couple weeks ago.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: Uh, we're human beings, not human doing.
24:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, so I think that's important.
24:16
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: I think it's uh then learning how to have that weekly Sabbath rest, learning how to plan regularly for that vacation, right?
24:30
SPEAKER_00: Uh for that party.
24:33
SPEAKER_00: And I'll be honest with you, I have a really hard time doing this.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: I have a hard time turning turning work mode off, even when I am in the middle of what should be a rest.
24:47
SPEAKER_00: Right.
24:47
SPEAKER_00: And I just want to affirm you, I think you do this better than most.
24:51
SPEAKER_00: Like how have you personally created and maintained this priority of a weekly or even seasonably rest?
25:04
SPEAKER_01: So years ago in our family, we placed a few boulders in our world.
25:12
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
25:13
SPEAKER_01: And this language, boulders and stones, is a conversation I had years ago with Michael King.
25:18
SPEAKER_01: But um, these boulders are in my life, which means everything else about my life has to go around them.
25:25
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: Like, so these are just set structurally.
25:29
SPEAKER_01: And my wife works as the middle school principal, I work on church staff.
25:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, our off days are different.
25:37
SPEAKER_01: She works Monday through Friday, I work Saturday through Thursday.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: Like, so our off days are different.
25:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, we had a raising a son who's also in school, and this so it was it became important to us that we had a day that was protected.
25:52
SPEAKER_01: And because of our rhythms, that that fell on a Saturday.
25:56
SPEAKER_01: And so we put a big boulder in the waters that said Saturday is the Smith Family Day.
26:02
SPEAKER_01: Nothing gets over it, nothing takes it unless we all agree that we need to do that because it's a priority.
26:10
SPEAKER_01: And so it just became a day that we stayed home or we would go do something together somewhere.
26:17
SPEAKER_01: Um, and when we were invited to do things, we would always recommend some other day of the week.
26:23
SPEAKER_01: Can we do that Sunday?
26:24
SPEAKER_01: Can we do that Thursday?
26:25
SPEAKER_01: Um, because Saturday became a protected day for us.
26:30
SPEAKER_01: And then we created two yearly rhythms, one with my wife.
26:36
SPEAKER_01: This came out of a men's Bible study that we did a decade ago or so now.
26:40
SPEAKER_01: And every November, I my wife and I go away, just the two of us, even when we had Eli when he was a toddler, he would, he would have to go to the grandparents for the weekend and we would go away.
26:51
SPEAKER_01: And it just became it's set in stone.
26:53
SPEAKER_01: That's going to happen.
26:55
SPEAKER_01: Matter of fact, we just sent Eli off to college.
26:58
SPEAKER_01: And so um Rand and I were talking about this the other day.
27:00
SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, when are we going to do our, you know, well, he's he's gone, he'll be home this week, he'll be home this week.
27:05
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to, I don't want to be out of town when he is home.
27:07
SPEAKER_01: I go, no, no, no, no.
27:07
SPEAKER_01: She's like, so maybe we can just do that on January.
27:10
SPEAKER_01: I said, we could do that on January, which would mean we did not do it this year.
27:14
SPEAKER_01: And we're doing it in 2026.
27:17
SPEAKER_01: We can do it in 2027 too, but we're not missing this weekend.
27:21
SPEAKER_01: And uh, so it's a boulder in our life, and everything else revolves, moves around it, and we flex accordingly.
27:28
SPEAKER_01: So what we've tried to do is be dogmatic about that principle, that there are some things that are part of our rest, part of our rhythms, that are intentionally about us having time just to rest and breathe and do nothing other than spend time together, right?
27:48
SPEAKER_01: Or to just get some sleep or to just unplug from devices and just spend time together.
27:56
SPEAKER_01: And so it has been a priority for us.
27:59
SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, I I admire it.
28:01
SPEAKER_00: I affirm, I affirm your your discipline to do that.
28:05
SPEAKER_00: And I think it this is a discipline issue.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: It is a uh I think in many ways it is, okay, Lord, I hear you.
28:14
SPEAKER_00: Now I'm going to obey and do what you say.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: And I confess this is really hard for me.
28:17
SPEAKER_00: It's something I'm actively working to do better.
28:21
SPEAKER_00: I I think the uh there's also some tension for us.
28:26
SPEAKER_00: It would be it would be risky but potentially easy for a Christ follower to, well, then now I'm just gonna start to practice this in a legalistic way, like a Jew.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: And like go back and read the latter part of Acts.
28:46
SPEAKER_00: Like, that is not uh the Jerusalem Council settled that.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: Like that has not been a the whole Torah Levitical law is not been something that is placed on us.
28:57
SPEAKER_02: Right.
28:58
SPEAKER_00: So I've got to learn how to how to principally live that out in a way that is faithful to God's design.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: I think principally, I think there are a couple of things that we can see going back to Genesis one, that I think first and foremost, pinpoint the heart of the gospel, secondly, establish some rhythms for us.
29:22
SPEAKER_00: Um you mentioned this when we were talking about the chiasm of when we see that to me, this is where the gospel clearly points to starting in Genesis one.
29:34
SPEAKER_00: A lot of times, uh every vacation Bible school song that I've ever heard, or uh we how do you present the gospel?
29:43
SPEAKER_00: Well, A, admit to God that you're a sinner, B, believe, C, confess.
29:46
SPEAKER_00: And that's good.
29:47
SPEAKER_00: I mean, certainly someone can understand and come to Christ.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: That starts the gospel in Genesis three.
29:53
SPEAKER_01: Correct.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: When it clearly starts in Genesis one, and where we see that is if we believe that God is sufficient and transcendent and sovereign, complete, lacking nothing.
30:11
SPEAKER_00: In the beginning, God God existed outside outside of space and time.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: He didn't need us.
30:20
SPEAKER_00: He chose to create this beautiful expression of his glory.
30:25
SPEAKER_00: So uh simply stated, God came out of perfect rest.
30:34
SPEAKER_00: He uh created for six days, and when we go back through that rhythm of we're reading the text, and the evening and the morning, first day, evening and morning, evening and morning, we get to the second day, there is no evening and morning.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: It just says, and on the seventh day, God rested.
30:56
SPEAKER_00: Right.
30:56
SPEAKER_00: And I think this suggests that God came out of perfect satisfaction and rest.
31:02
SPEAKER_00: He created, he entered right back into that place of okay, and this is good.
31:10
SPEAKER_00: Very good.
31:11
SPEAKER_00: This is very good.
31:12
SPEAKER_00: Yes, and now he's he's left us as his creation to be fruitful, be multiply, produce, continue to develop, continue to be a part of actively participating in my creative order, but I am now in rest, which gives great weight to when Jesus then later says, Hey, come to me, all you who are weary and heavy laden, I'm gonna give you rest.
31:39
SPEAKER_00: Take my yoke upon you, learn of me, for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest unto your soul.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: Like the invitation of the gospel is to rest in who God is.
31:54
SPEAKER_00: Maybe another way is to trust God's plan, trust God's purposes, trust God's God's ways, and rely, lean on to that, to kind of sit back in that for a little bit.
32:08
SPEAKER_00: And I think as we there's a glimpse of the gospel of what he's invited us to, he wants to experience that soul-level rest.
32:18
SPEAKER_00: Uh right, wrong, and different.
32:22
SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
32:22
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
32:23
SPEAKER_01: I mean, when you when you go all the way to the last, the last book of the Bible, you get down to Revelation, and that that is that is how it, how we are described living with him forever in his rest.
32:34
SPEAKER_01: And so we are to perfect rest perfect rest.
32:37
SPEAKER_01: Like, so the way that we started this with Genesis 1 is the ideal.
32:43
SPEAKER_01: Chapter 3 is where it is fractured, and the rest of the story is explaining what God had to do in order to make it possible for us to return to that state of rest and position with him.
32:56
SPEAKER_01: And then we get to see it glorified in Revelation in its completeness.
33:00
SPEAKER_01: So when you look at chapter one, it starts with God at rest, he works, he ends at rest, and the middle word in that chiasm is about Shabbat, rest, Sabbath seasons.
33:13
SPEAKER_01: And so the you can argue, and I think you can make a really compelling argument, that part of the one of the main points of chapter one is how can we enter and be a part of his rest?
33:25
SPEAKER_01: Yes, he started at rest, he ended at rest, and then he created things to remind us to rest.
33:31
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
33:32
SPEAKER_01: And so I think that's that's a core concept of what Jesus is doing, while God is doing it.
33:37
SPEAKER_01: Chapter one.
33:37
SPEAKER_00: I think, I think the text gives us some insight then on how to practice that because all of our the Romans 12, one, the pattern of the world is to think that it's dependent on me.
33:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:52
SPEAKER_00: And so if I think it's dependent on me, I live in fear, I live in anxiety, and I just grind, grind, grind.
33:58
SPEAKER_00: I I get on that treadmill or that hamster wheel and I just keep going.
34:02
SPEAKER_00: I gotta get more, I gotta grind it out, I gotta fix it.
34:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
34:06
SPEAKER_00: Well, if we're called to be transformed by the renewing of our mind, and I'm and I'm looking into Genesis 1, there are some clues on how we do this here.
34:18
SPEAKER_00: I think I think the first clue is the evening and morning thing.
34:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:22
SPEAKER_00: Because that daily.
34:25
SPEAKER_00: Take up your cross daily.
34:26
SPEAKER_01: There's a rhythm there.
34:27
SPEAKER_00: Well, and I think the rhythm is we we think the opposite.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: We think morning in the evening.
34:33
SPEAKER_00: Like I get up, I start my day, I I work just so I can come home, and then I can kick back and relax.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: Well, what if we could learn to just reprogram our day?
34:47
SPEAKER_00: That what if we started with our evening and we viewed right now, we think about how we end the day.
34:56
SPEAKER_00: What if we could just reprogram our day and know that we're actually starting our day?
35:00
SPEAKER_00: And so if what if we uh the last thing that we did before we lay down for the evening was to pray or to read scripture.
35:14
SPEAKER_00: So rather than doom scrolling my phone and letting the last thing that enters to my brain to be that email I read that's stress-inducing, or the doom scrolling, which leads me invariably to compare myself to others, right?
35:30
SPEAKER_00: If I if I am starting with time in the word, time in prayer, time with those that I love close, we're playing a game, whatever it may be, and then I go to sleep.
35:46
SPEAKER_00: If that in my mind is starting my day, and then I get up from my rest and I go to work, I'm starting to create this mindset that I'm working from rest rather than working for rest.
36:01
SPEAKER_00: Yes, absolutely.
36:02
SPEAKER_00: And it's just uh it's the same 24 hours in the day, it's just a shift in my perspective, hardwiring of my perspective.
36:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:11
SPEAKER_00: So I think there's one clue on how to do it is that evening and morning rhythm.
36:16
SPEAKER_00: I think the other clue on how to do that is it helps me then understand why God later commands on six days you shall work and on the seventh you shall rest, or why this chiasm folds to seasons.
36:34
SPEAKER_00: So I've in the spirit of obedience, okay, I need to slow down one day a week and I need to stop.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: I need to rest, not just to take a nap, although I love a good nap.
36:49
SPEAKER_00: It's an it's a thoughtful perspective of who is God?
36:53
SPEAKER_00: Why should I trust him?
36:54
SPEAKER_00: It's a reminder that this is not dependent on me.
36:58
SPEAKER_01: Right.
36:58
SPEAKER_01: So it's not about laziness.
37:00
SPEAKER_01: No, no, it's not about being lethargic and calling that rest.
37:05
SPEAKER_01: There's intentionality.
37:07
SPEAKER_01: Like there is intentional expectations and act, it's active, it's not passive.
37:14
SPEAKER_00: Right.
37:14
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so if you are engaging in rest, you're doing things that are going to help you mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually to reconnect to whom you are and to the father.
37:26
SPEAKER_01: So it's not when we when we talk about the idea of rest, it's not like, well, I'm just gonna be in my PJs all day and sleep and be a lazy bum.
37:34
SPEAKER_01: It's not that's not that's not the description of rest as much as it is finding that connection to who you are in your relationship with the father and re-energizing and connecting yourself back to him.
37:48
SPEAKER_01: And there's activity there that it's not passive and it's not lazy to find rest.
37:54
SPEAKER_01: I think that's a misnomer.
37:56
SPEAKER_01: I'm just resting all day.
37:57
SPEAKER_01: Um it's not laziness, this is intentional.
38:00
SPEAKER_00: I I think I think I'm and I'm I'm not texting, I'm searching something as I brought my phone today instead of my laptop because uh maybe there's another clue here of how we can live this out.
38:13
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
38:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, because I agree um there is intentionality to it.
38:20
SPEAKER_00: I think the obvious intentionality, as you just shared in your story, is like, okay, I could put a rock on one day a week.
38:30
SPEAKER_00: We're not Jews, it doesn't have to be Saturday.
38:32
SPEAKER_00: Maybe your weekly rhythm.
38:34
SPEAKER_00: I think for the the average listener, it may be Sunday.
38:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:40
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm gonna go to church, I'm gonna go to worship, etc.
38:44
SPEAKER_01: Spend time with the family.
38:46
SPEAKER_01: Be very intentional.
38:48
SPEAKER_00: Here is uh here's an interesting thing.
38:51
SPEAKER_00: Maybe this is another way.
38:54
SPEAKER_00: Uh so if I if I had this weekly rhythm, if I had a daily rhythm, yeah, my evening is my evening and morning.
39:06
SPEAKER_00: So or maybe maybe another way without just a dramatic shift, if we still used our normal language, but the last thing I did before I went to bed, if it was meditative, spiritual, restful, and reflective.
39:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
39:23
SPEAKER_00: I'm not working right up till bedtime.
39:26
SPEAKER_00: I I maybe I put a I put a timer on my phone.
39:29
SPEAKER_00: I'm not checking my email after X time.
39:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
39:33
SPEAKER_00: Uh and I'm maybe I'm doing my time with the Lord in the evening rather than the first thing I wake up.
39:39
SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
39:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:40
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
39:40
SPEAKER_00: So I think there's a daily rhythm, there's a weekly rhythm.
39:43
SPEAKER_00: I even think if we go back to Moadim, like feast and festivals and seasons to celebrate, I think it would be intentional if rather than we thought I'm gonna take a vacation once a year, what let's go back to where we started and to the numbers.
40:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
40:01
SPEAKER_00: What if we did it in intervals of seven, every seven weeks or every seven months?
40:07
SPEAKER_00: Here's here's what I was Googling.
40:09
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
40:10
SPEAKER_00: I asked the uh AI, the AI expert.
40:14
SPEAKER_00: Yes, in ancient Jewish calendaring, what was the rhythmic frequency of calendaring feasts and festivals?
40:23
SPEAKER_00: And would you imagine seven comes up again?
40:27
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
40:28
SPEAKER_00: So there were some um they would sometimes every every seven weeks or every seven months would hit uh a fast a festival or a feast.
40:47
SPEAKER_00: So like the the Passover, the unleavened bread, the first fruits, those were annual.
40:56
SPEAKER_00: Some of them would last for seven days.
40:58
SPEAKER_00: Seven days, that's right.
40:59
SPEAKER_00: Um seven weeks after the first fruits, we get Pentecost, um Tabernacles is seven days, sabbatical every seven years.
41:12
SPEAKER_00: Like, so if we just played with that rhythm and looked at our calendar, and if we thought, okay, what if every seven weeks I'm going to celebrate this thing, and I'm gonna sell maybe that's another uh I'm gonna use a borrow a different word from Shabbat.
41:32
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be a Moadim day.
41:34
SPEAKER_00: Like every seven weeks is gonna be a Moadim day, and I'm gonna I'm gonna celebrate something.
41:39
SPEAKER_00: Or if my vacation for the week was not once a year, it was every seven months.
41:46
SPEAKER_00: Um, I just think maybe we could, without becoming legalistic about it, we could maybe just shift and practice some of these rhythms.
41:56
SPEAKER_00: And my speculation would be if we did, the sense of burnout and anxiety would probably decrease.
42:03
SPEAKER_00: Without a doubt.
42:04
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, it would decrease.
42:06
SPEAKER_01: Um because we would be then living out a rhythmic pattern that our bodies, our mind, our souls have been made for.
42:17
SPEAKER_01: Right.
42:18
SPEAKER_01: And and I think when we, especially in a western culture, my goodness, we we are uh obsessed with some things that I think are unhealthy from a work balance.
42:30
SPEAKER_01: But um I think by by programming ourselves into a cycle and rhythms of rest periods and celebration periods and time to reflect on things, um, it would it will help us tremendously physically, it'll help us tremendously spiritually, emotionally.
42:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, but it would just it would require us to be intentional on it.
42:54
SPEAKER_01: It's not an it doesn't happen accidentally.
42:56
SPEAKER_01: No, it requires intentionality.
42:58
SPEAKER_01: You got to put these large boulders in the in the river and make everything roll around them.
43:02
SPEAKER_01: Um and you have to be willing and able to say no to things, and I'm not gonna do this good thing so that I can do the better thing.
43:11
SPEAKER_01: And it just requires us to be intentional on that.
43:14
SPEAKER_01: But if we can be people who operate out of a place of rest as opposed to people who operate as a as a way to find or get to rest, um there's a there's a difference in living when you live from rest as opposed to living to get to rest.
43:31
SPEAKER_00: Agreed.
43:31
SPEAKER_00: I I think it's uh it's reflective of the gospel.
43:35
SPEAKER_00: It points us back to the first page of the Bible.
43:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, it's certainly more healthy, but I I do think it's it's also the last thing I'm I think the last thing I will say.
43:47
SPEAKER_00: It's not just a matter of um when to schedule rhythms to take time off.
43:56
SPEAKER_00: As more important, it's rhythms to take time to remote.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: Reflect and to celebrate.
44:02
SPEAKER_00: That's going back to the Moadim, the central word.
44:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:06
SPEAKER_00: So it's every day, uh, every day, and uh, if I'm starting in the evening, it's I'm reflecting on what the Lord has done and I'm thanking him with gratitude.
44:17
SPEAKER_00: Ever uh every uh one day a week, I I'm breaking my pattern so that I'm forced to slow down to God, thank you for what you're doing, thank you for who you are.
44:28
SPEAKER_00: In those in those celebrations, it may be we're celebrating uh our in our family, but I'm expressing gratitude, I'm giving glory to God.
44:38
SPEAKER_00: Like I'm I'm going back to the goodness of the Lord and the glory of the Lord and what he has done and who he is.
44:45
SPEAKER_00: And those are moments that we can disrupt our rhythm with intentionality.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: That's the word that you used, to go back to remind ourselves of the origin of this story.
45:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and how can I trust that rather than get caught up in the chaos and the pattern of the world?
45:06
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
45:07
SPEAKER_01: I think that's uh that is a gospel approach to living.
45:12
SPEAKER_00: I agree.
45:13
SPEAKER_00: And I I will say uh just for those of the listeners, like I am I am learning this, right?
45:24
SPEAKER_00: And so these these are reminders for me where the Lord humbles me to be like, yeah, I know I'm a pastor, I got a lot to learn.
45:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, and there have been some like I want to give credit to where credit's due, like some people or some resources that have helped me learn this along the way.
45:42
SPEAKER_00: Like uh the Bible Project podcast has been helpful to me, uh Ray Vanderlawn and um Dust of the Rabbi stuff has been helpful for me.
45:51
SPEAKER_00: Bima has been helpful for Marty Slaughter and the Beamba podcast.
45:54
SPEAKER_00: Like there, there have been a couple other resources, and again, I I want to I want to give credit to them.
46:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:01
SPEAKER_00: Also with some guardrails for you.
46:03
SPEAKER_00: If you go to I am not by even mentioning those, I want to kind of appropriately cite sources without fully endorsing sources.
46:12
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
46:12
SPEAKER_00: Don't agree with everything they say or do, but goodness gracious, grateful insights.
46:15
SPEAKER_00: I hope you don't agree with everything I say.
46:17
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
46:18
SPEAKER_00: Right.
46:18
SPEAKER_00: Um I tell my son that.
46:20
SPEAKER_00: Let scripture be the thing that we're relying on.
46:22
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
46:23
SPEAKER_00: But there are helpful things to just stretch our perspective.
46:26
SPEAKER_00: And so anyway, anything else to add for today?
46:30
SPEAKER_00: I think we've uh we've covered a lot in 48 minutes.
46:33
SPEAKER_01: No, I think that's great.
46:34
SPEAKER_01: I think if we can all get into some rhythms of rest, it'll transform our relationship with the Father.
46:39
SPEAKER_01: It'll transform our relationship with our families, it'll it'll be transformative.
46:43
SPEAKER_00: And further emphasizes that Genesis and Genesis 1 is way more than how God created the world.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's not just about how old is things.
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SPEAKER_00: It's there's a lot there.
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SPEAKER_00: But we are going to talk about that in a couple episodes.
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SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be fun.
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SPEAKER_00: We may have to get into like, you know, day age theory, gap theory, theistic evolution, and all that stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: That's to come.
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SPEAKER_00: So we'll hope you'll stay in tune to the High Dodd podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: But uh be reminded this is the Minister of Calvary Baptist Church in Columbus, Georgia.
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SPEAKER_00: I hope you're being encouraged.
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SPEAKER_00: So thanks for the time.
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SPEAKER_00: Glad to be here.
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SPEAKER_00: And until then, bye.