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GORGEOUS PARALEGAL MOM OF 2 VANISHES: RING DOORBELL LAST PHOTO · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous young San Antonio
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Speaker 1: mom leaves the home she shares with her mother and
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Speaker 1: two little boys, racing out to work as a paralegal.
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Speaker 1: It's all caught on ring doorbell cam, but she's never
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Speaker 1: seen again. Where is Chrissy? I mean, Nancy Grace? This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and Serious x one eleven where we
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Speaker 1: still care about missing people, especially children and unsolved homicides.
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Speaker 1: What can we do to bring Chrissy home to her
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Speaker 1: two young boys as young as three years old. First
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Speaker 1: of all, take a listen to this unknown are just
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Speaker 1: the scariest parts. So many scenarios are playing out in
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Speaker 1: the mind of Lauren Lea. And she's not just a friend,
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Speaker 1: she's a sister. Her friend, Chrissie Powell, whom she's known
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Speaker 1: all her life, is missing. Leale is speaking on behalf
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Speaker 1: of the family. It's just been really hard to kind
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Speaker 1: of wrap her minds around where she might be, what
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Speaker 1: could have happened. Lea says, this is not in her
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Speaker 1: friend's character to just vanish, calling this disappearance bazaar, police
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Speaker 1: and the family. Have you even checked the jail and hospitals.
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Speaker 1: We just want you home. You were just hearing our
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Speaker 1: friends at Kae and S five and the very best
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Speaker 1: friends speaking out, and there's more. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at Living Love you to Laura listen. I
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Speaker 1: actually have the next door app and I reached out
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Speaker 1: to her mother personally because she did post a thread
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Speaker 1: on there about her daughter, Chrissie Powell. And this is
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Speaker 1: from her mother. She let me know. Her name is
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Speaker 1: Christina Powell. She left my house in Apple Creek ten
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Speaker 1: thirty ish Tuesday July fifth, heading to work driving a
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Speaker 1: black Nissan Rogue. Her office is around Eye ten Advanced Jackson.
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Speaker 1: She never showed up to work. Can you imagine so
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Speaker 1: desperate you're reaching out on Facebook, Insta, Twitter, trying to
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Speaker 1: get the word out about your missing girl. You are
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Speaker 1: hearing from the best friend. But the mother desperate calls police.
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Speaker 1: It takes them three days before they report Chrissie missing Hawai.
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Speaker 1: First of all, let's get to the facts with me
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Speaker 1: and All Star panel to make sense of what we
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Speaker 1: know right now. I'm going to straight out first two
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Speaker 1: special guests joining me, Stephanie Pagonas, crying reporter with Fox
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Speaker 1: News Digital Stephanie, thank you for being with us. And
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Speaker 1: I can't stress the urgency because every hour chicking by
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Speaker 1: and a missing person's case makes it more likely will
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Speaker 1: never find her alive. Start at the beginning. Thank you, Stephanie.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, thank you, Nancy. Yes, that's right. So, as
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Speaker 1: you just mentioned, Chrissie Lee Powell lived with her mother.
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Speaker 1: She woke up that morning she was running late. She
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Speaker 1: told her mother. She runs out the door at the time,
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Speaker 1: as you can see in doorbell footage. Her mother says
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Speaker 1: she said I love you and be careful before she left.
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Speaker 1: But her daughter left behind some of her belongings, namely,
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Speaker 1: according to family in reports, her cell phone, which she
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Speaker 1: left on her bathroom counter. She also left behind medication,
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Speaker 1: and family later determined that they believe she left behind
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Speaker 1: her Apple watched as well. They believe that because when
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Speaker 1: they went to go track down the watch later on
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Speaker 1: after her daughter had not come home, they determined it
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Speaker 1: was actually in the vicinity of the home. Hey, Helvall,
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Speaker 1: just a second. Stephanie paganis joining me from Foxnee's digital
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Speaker 1: special guest today. I want to go quickly to doctor
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Speaker 1: Angel Arnold, now psychiatrist joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at angela Arnold MD dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie, quick question, have you ever been on vacation? Okay?
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Speaker 1: And you come back and just having us. We took
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Speaker 1: the twins on vacation. We came back our race in
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Speaker 1: the kitchen to make the twins of breakfast and for
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Speaker 1: my mom and I turned to my husband, did you
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Speaker 1: feed the cat and the dog? At He goes, Oh,
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Speaker 1: my goodness, I'm out of my routine. The point is
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Speaker 1: she had just come off the July fourth break She had,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe Thursday night, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. This
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Speaker 1: is Tuesday morning, July sixth She's like, oh, dear Lord
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Speaker 1: in Heaven, I'm late for work. Very responsible, never late,
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Speaker 1: never misses work. That's important regarding behavioral evidence. She even
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Speaker 1: calls the job to say, I'm on the way here,
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Speaker 1: I come, I'm late, I'm sorry, jumps into her Nissan rogue.
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Speaker 1: I believe it was a twenty twenty Stephanie, but got
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Speaker 1: us correct me out these facts and I've got any
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Speaker 1: of them wrong and takes off and mom sees her
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Speaker 1: leave to go to work. Fifteen minute drive seven miles
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Speaker 1: right I think she forgot her iPhone and her didn't
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Speaker 1: put on her Apple watch because she was in a
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Speaker 1: rush and she was out of her routine a little
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Speaker 1: bit because of the break. What do you think? I
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Speaker 1: agree with you, but I'll tell you something, Nancy. One
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Speaker 1: of the first things that came to my mind was
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Speaker 1: that it also sounds like she could have been distracted something.
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Speaker 1: She could have been distracted, She could have had something
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Speaker 1: on her mind that none of us know about. Someone
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Speaker 1: could have contacted her. I don't know, but it sounds
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Speaker 1: to me like she also could have been distracted. Okay, well,
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Speaker 1: number one, is there anybody on this panel that's not distracted?
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Speaker 1: But I understand what you're saying. Something out of the ordinary.
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Speaker 1: But that leads me to another issue. Jason Campo, Chief
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Speaker 1: Prosecutor Cameron County, Texas, five years in the DA's office
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Speaker 1: regarding family violence. I mean, I could go on renowned
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Speaker 1: lawyer in that jurisdiction, Jason, a lot of I'm really upset. Now.
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Speaker 1: This is in San Antonio, and it's in a really
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Speaker 1: low crime and neighborhood of San Antonio. I believe it's
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Speaker 1: Apple circle or apple orchard, apple apple, what or apple Creek,
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Speaker 1: Apple Creek. Thank you for the wrong information, Jackie, yet again,
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Speaker 1: Apple Creek. And the reason I'm saying that is because,
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Speaker 1: let me just throughout New York City, Okay, where I've
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Speaker 1: lived for so long. There's Manhattan, and there are there's
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Speaker 1: the Upper east Side, there's an Upper West Side where
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Speaker 1: all the rich people live. Then there are other areas
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Speaker 1: that are high crime. This area Apple Creek. On a
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Speaker 1: cold decac I mean, this might as well be Beaver Cleaver.
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Speaker 1: Leave it to Beaver. I'm sure you remember that there's
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Speaker 1: no crime there. It's not like some the carjacked her
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Speaker 1: as she's driving out of the driveway. Help me out here,
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Speaker 1: throw me a bone, Jason Campo. Is anything that could
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Speaker 1: have happened to her that morning? She only worked fifteen
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Speaker 1: twenty minutes away from there. I'm familiar with that area,
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Speaker 1: being here in Texas anyhow, going to San Antonio a
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Speaker 1: regular basis. But there's nothing in that neighborhood that would
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Speaker 1: make you think anything suspicious would happen right there in
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Speaker 1: front of her house. As far as leaving her watch
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Speaker 1: and her phone behind, I think we've all been in
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Speaker 1: that situation where we're running late for work and We're
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Speaker 1: just trying to grab everything that we can, and we
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Speaker 1: leave things behind. You know what I thought on Jason Campo,
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Speaker 1: one time in ten years, I was like to a
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Speaker 1: calendar call. I was humiliated and mortified. My car started
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Speaker 1: smoking out from under the hood at a red light.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not good, and I managed together really slowly.
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Speaker 1: I parked the car on the street and racing without
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Speaker 1: any of my files. Jason Campo, you know what I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about. This was an arrayment calendar call with one
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty one hundred and seventy defendants all felony
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Speaker 1: on it waiting for me. I got in there. The
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Speaker 1: court room was totally silent. Everybody was in place. The
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Speaker 1: judge was sitting there, God bless him. He never said
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Speaker 1: a word and I started court. I'll never forget it.
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Speaker 1: So that is just in my mind. Because this woman
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Speaker 1: does not run late. She's a paralegal. You cannot be
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Speaker 1: late if the lawyer has a court date or something similar, Jason.
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Speaker 1: Normally we try our best. My paralegal was hardly ever late,
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Speaker 1: but every once in a while something might come up.
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Speaker 1: You might oversleep, missing alarmed, especially coming off the long weekend.
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Speaker 1: Your schedule is off and your mind is just not
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Speaker 1: back in the place where it needs to be to
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Speaker 1: get back to work on time. And another thing, Paul
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Speaker 1: Seyton joining me former police commander in Albuquerque domestic homicide
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Speaker 1: and author stop him from killing them on Amazon. Paul
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Speaker 1: another complication. And I don't want to refer to the
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Speaker 1: children as a complication, because it got the joy of
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Speaker 1: her life. But when you have children, a three year
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Speaker 1: old and a twelve year old, you've got a lot
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Speaker 1: to do before you could get out the door. If
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Speaker 1: one of them says, mom must die my heart, you've
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Speaker 1: got to deal with that before you can leave it. No,
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Speaker 1: when I she left her iPhone, it makes a lot
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Speaker 1: of sense that she would be in a rush, and
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Speaker 1: you know I was saving kids myself. You know, there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts. It's almost like a small business.
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Speaker 1: But I will say that when she left that morning,
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Speaker 1: she did have her purse on her shoulders. Sure it
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Speaker 1: is as she answered, and that just leads me to
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Speaker 1: believe there could be a little more to the leaving
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Speaker 1: the iPhone, possibly in the eye watch behind its only
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Speaker 1: trackable means that there would have been and those were
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Speaker 1: left behind. That's slightly concerning. I'm also interested in her
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Speaker 1: car twenty twenty Nisan Roade black in color, and we
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Speaker 1: researched to it soon as I found out that Chrissie's missing.
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Speaker 1: You have to buy the NAV system, which is you know,
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Speaker 1: chewing practically every car. You know, how you buy a package.
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Speaker 1: Do you want serious XM? Do you want this? Do
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Speaker 1: you want that? Do you want carpet or leather as
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Speaker 1: part of the package. And I don't know if Stephanie
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Speaker 1: paganis she had that NAV system. We don't have a
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Speaker 1: cell phone, we don't have an Apple Watch to track her.
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Speaker 1: I was thinking, does her Niecean have a NAV system?
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm put in the cart
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Speaker 1: before the horse Stephanie Pagarnas, I cut you off at
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Speaker 1: the pass picking back up. This is July six, it's
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Speaker 1: ten thirty four a m. We know that because of
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Speaker 1: the rain camera. She lays, I've watched it fifty times.
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Speaker 1: She's walking out very like, you know, walking down the
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Speaker 1: hall to the courthouse. She's on her way, not dawdling.
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Speaker 1: Jumps in the car and mom sees her leaf. Then
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Speaker 1: what happens. So that's correct. So this was actually July fifth, Tuesday, July,
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Speaker 1: thank you. Around ten thirty five in the morning, she
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Speaker 1: walks out the door, like you said, Mom sees her
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Speaker 1: driving away. Mom said it seemed as though she was
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Speaker 1: going to work. She said her mother believed that she
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Speaker 1: was going to work. And not only that, but her
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Speaker 1: mother said she believed her daughter believed she was going
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Speaker 1: to work. But then around noon that day, or I
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Speaker 1: should say more, around lunchtime, one of her colleagues shows
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Speaker 1: up at Chrissie's home. Her twelve year old son answers
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Speaker 1: the door and they said, as her mom home, we
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Speaker 1: haven't seen her. Apparently the coworker wants to check in
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Speaker 1: to see if her mother might have or to see
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Speaker 1: if Christie might have fallen back to sleep. Twelve year
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Speaker 1: old though, went to check him sure, and of course
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Speaker 1: Christie was not home. The next day, Christie's mother called
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Speaker 1: the police called on just to say just to say,
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Speaker 1: he just says something that's very, very critical in my mind,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie. The office the law firm where she worked,
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Speaker 1: realize it. It's so unusual for her not to be there.
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Speaker 1: They despatch a female colleague that goes to Chrissie's home.
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Speaker 1: Is your mom here. It's so unusual. I mean, when
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Speaker 1: have you seen that happen? Not a lot that the
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Speaker 1: office sends somebody to the home. And I got to
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Speaker 1: tell you, the relationship between a lawyer and the paralegal
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Speaker 1: is very close. They work hand in glove. I compare
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Speaker 1: it to my investigator, Ernest. We did everything together, We ate,
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Speaker 1: lunched together, we suffered together, we did everything together. We've
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Speaker 1: been at the Georgia Supreme Court and strip clubs together
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Speaker 1: trying to find witnesses and make our cases. So when
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Speaker 1: you're paralegal doesn't show up, that's a big red flag.
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Speaker 1: And it was so unusual. She's so reliable. The actually
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Speaker 1: sends somebody to the house. They don't just call the house,
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Speaker 1: they send somebody, you know, Nancy. The other question that
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Speaker 1: I have about this also is has this ever happened before?
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Speaker 1: Because isn't it isn't it odd that she asked, is
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Speaker 1: your mother still asleep? Yeah, nobody would ever think obvious
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Speaker 1: sleep at ten thirty four in the morning. What do
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Speaker 1: we know about that, Stephanie, Because if she's never missed,
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Speaker 1: I'd been late to work before or skipped out on
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Speaker 1: work totally. You know, I don't see any any indication.
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Speaker 1: But I did notice the question wise, is your mom asleep?
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Speaker 1: What did they say? Is your mom here? So that's
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Speaker 1: a good question. So this is coming from Christie's family
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Speaker 1: who say that the coworker came to the house because
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Speaker 1: they thought she might have fallen back to sleep. Interesting. Interesting,
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Speaker 1: something might have been lost in translation there. But if
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Speaker 1: if mother did tell me that it is unusual for
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Speaker 1: her daughter to be late and rushing in the morning,
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Speaker 1: I mean when you says Stephanie lost in translation? For
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Speaker 1: all I know, the coworker said, hey, is your mom here?
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Speaker 1: And the little boy said no, she said, let me
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Speaker 1: make sure she didn't fall back asleep. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how that guy gon to mix. Guys, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friend. Isis Romero k E n S five
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Speaker 1: The search for a missing mother who could be in danger.
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Speaker 1: Chrissy Powell called the law firm where she works last
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Speaker 1: Tuesday to say she was running late. On that day,
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Speaker 1: Powell was seen on video rushing out of her home,
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Speaker 1: but she never showed up to work. Since then, there
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Speaker 1: has been no sign of the mother of two. Leyall
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Speaker 1: even went down the route her friend would have taken
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Speaker 1: to work to see if maybe she crashed, but nothing.
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Speaker 1: Chrissy Powell has wavy shoulder length hair. She is five two.
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Speaker 1: If you know of her whereabouts, contact police at two
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Speaker 1: one zero two zero seven seventy six sixty. You know,
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Speaker 1: we know the female co worker came to Chrissie's home
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Speaker 1: around one pm, so she probably came right after her
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Speaker 1: lunch break. So Stephanie Pogonis, when did mom? And I
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Speaker 1: find this interesting that she lives at home with her
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Speaker 1: mother and her children, literally on a cold sack in
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Speaker 1: Apple Creek neighborhood in San Antonio. Jason Campo with me,
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Speaker 1: chief prosecutor out of Cameron County. Jason, you said you're
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Speaker 1: very familiar with the Apple Creek area. Tell me about it.
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Speaker 1: It's a it's a kind of a small community there
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Speaker 1: in the heart of San Antonio, and like the bigger city,
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Speaker 1: it feels like you're kind of in a smaller town.
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Speaker 1: It's quiet, trees lining the sides of the roads. It
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Speaker 1: feels like everyday American down that doesn't feel like it's
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Speaker 1: part of the big city, but is also right there
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Speaker 1: attached to it. I'm very familiar with it. My first
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Speaker 1: cousin lived there forever as a cowhand, Okay, running a
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Speaker 1: ranch near San Antonio, beautiful area. And why I keep
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Speaker 1: saying cold to sac And I say that, Paul's like,
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Speaker 1: because you ever drove down in could sac and you
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Speaker 1: get to the very end, you think, wow, if I
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Speaker 1: lived here, I live on that last house on the
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Speaker 1: cul de sac. Absolutely no traffic. Yeah, it's not a
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Speaker 1: cut or a cut through to get from the shopping
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Speaker 1: center to the grocery store. You know, it's not a cut.
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Speaker 1: There's not a lot of traffic. You can't cut through
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Speaker 1: a coul de sac. You don't have a lot of
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Speaker 1: back and forth traffic there. And here she is at
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Speaker 1: the end of a cul de sac in Apple Creek neighborhood,
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Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, where nobody people could probably leave their
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Speaker 1: doors unlock, which I do not advise. And that is
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Speaker 1: significant here because there's nobody hiding behind a bush to
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Speaker 1: carjack her at the mailbox. No, And there's no piece
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Speaker 1: of information that would even suggest that. Certainly right off
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Speaker 1: the bat, I would the fact that no money's taken
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Speaker 1: from her account. I think the financial aspect of that
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Speaker 1: is taken out. Even low level criminals will you know,
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Speaker 1: if they're going to take your gunpoint. You know, they're
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Speaker 1: going to take you to ATM. They're going to make
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Speaker 1: you take money out, They're gonna you know, they're going
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Speaker 1: to pursue what they want as money, you know, obviously
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Speaker 1: to buy drugs. And the second real concerning issue is
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Speaker 1: the July third text message threats that have been mentioned
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Speaker 1: with her actor, you know, Stephanie Pogonis. Paul Zyke joining
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Speaker 1: US out of Albuquerque brought up an interesting point that
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Speaker 1: nothing taken out of the ATM, which suggests to him
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Speaker 1: a random carjacker didn't grab her and for sort of
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Speaker 1: go to the bank to withdraw money. But it also
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Speaker 1: indicates something else if you think about it. The flip
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Speaker 1: side of that is, if she were just going to
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Speaker 1: walk away from her beloved children that she took care
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Speaker 1: of it and loved and lived with, she hasn't withdrawn
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Speaker 1: any money to live off. What is she going to do?
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Speaker 1: What go forage in the forest. That's not happening. So
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Speaker 1: that's a double edged sword, right there. Is there any
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Speaker 1: indication she took any money with her Stephanie so far,
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Speaker 1: her mother hasn't said whether she has actually taken money
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Speaker 1: with her, But what her mother has said is that
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Speaker 1: while they have been able to determine no money has
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Speaker 1: been taken from her debit account, they have had trouble
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Speaker 1: and faced resistance in obtaining information about her credit accounts.
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Speaker 1: They say that when they contacted the powers that be
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Speaker 1: to get that information, they were told that it can't
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Speaker 1: be provided to them because Christie is an adult. So
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Speaker 1: that's something that remains to be determined. More left by
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Speaker 1: her family. They are worried about her, they're trying to
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Speaker 1: figure that out, but so far they have been unable
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Speaker 1: to do so. You know, Jason Campo, Chief Prosecutor, joining
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Speaker 1: us out of the Texas jurisdiction. That is total b
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Speaker 1: S technical legal term, because I know there's some jurisdictions
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Speaker 1: there are special laws that have been passed to quickly
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Speaker 1: get cell phone records, quickly get bank data when someone
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Speaker 1: is missing, and all it requires is the police subpoena.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know what the hold up is here,
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Speaker 1: but we know this. The mother has her cell phone.
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Speaker 1: We know there's been no ATM activity, but that is concerning,
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Speaker 1: and that brings me to the major point that police
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Speaker 1: sat on their thumbs. San Antonio PD. I'm calling you
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Speaker 1: out set on their thumbs for three days before they
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Speaker 1: reported Chrissy as a missing person. What. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if they put out a bolo for her before those
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Speaker 1: three days, if they or just to be on the
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Speaker 1: lookout for her. It's not a missing person you put
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Speaker 1: out a bowl. I want to escape you from the jail, please,
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Speaker 1: that's correct. Sometimes they do that in the first couple
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Speaker 1: of days of a missing person case, two to just
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Speaker 1: be on the lookout, especially when there's nothing that shows
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Speaker 1: right from the beginning that there's some kind of foul
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Speaker 1: play if they're starting the investigation. So I don't know
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Speaker 1: if maybe that's what they were doing, and then once
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Speaker 1: that led to nothing, that's when they switched it to
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Speaker 1: a missing person case. But on top on top of
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Speaker 1: the money not being moved, I think even if she
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Speaker 1: wanted to walk out, she would have at least taken
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Speaker 1: her medicine with her, right because that's not going to change,
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Speaker 1: And so I think leaving the medicine that she needed
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Speaker 1: at home too, just says that she was planning on
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Speaker 1: coming back that day after work. I agree. I agree completely,
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Speaker 1: and I want to talk about her two children. But
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Speaker 1: first take a listen to our cut eight our friends
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Speaker 1: at crime online dot com. Family members say they have
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Speaker 1: checked Pale's bank account and there's been no spinning activities
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Speaker 1: or withdrawals. Her mother was able to access the account
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Speaker 1: from the phone that was left behind. They have been
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Speaker 1: unable to look into her credit card activity, however, Her
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Speaker 1: route to work has also been checked. The distance from
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Speaker 1: her home to work is roughly seven miles and takes
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Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes to drive. Powell's friends and family have
21:18
Speaker 1: retraced the possibilities looking for a possible crash. Local hospitals
21:23
Speaker 1: and the county jail have been covered too, but no
21:26
Speaker 1: sign of Chrissy Powell. I've made a polist of what
21:29
Speaker 1: I think cops should be doing. And remember, people, I've
21:33
Speaker 1: already told you this, this ain't no tea party at
21:35
Speaker 1: High Grow. We're not sitting across with Queen Elizabeth and
21:38
Speaker 1: her corgis jump in. This is why I've determined they
21:43
Speaker 1: need to be doing. Number one, get other ring doorbells
21:47
Speaker 1: in off that cul de Sac. You know they've all
21:50
Speaker 1: got them leading all the way out of the cul
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Speaker 1: de Sac and then red light camps if they exist,
21:56
Speaker 1: parking garage or parking a lot evidence at work? Did
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Speaker 1: she make it that far. Did someone accost her when
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Speaker 1: she got there and take off in her car? Check
22:08
Speaker 1: intersections for evidence, including evidence that her car may have
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Speaker 1: been hit. You know there is a scam where somebody
22:19
Speaker 1: will run into your car, you get out to check
22:22
Speaker 1: on it, and then they car Jackie with the car.
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Speaker 1: That's possible. I would be checking those intersections and the
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Speaker 1: entire route along the way when I circled back to you.
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Speaker 1: Stephanie Pogona is joining us from Fox Digital. I understand
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Speaker 1: the family retraced her route to work and found nothing.
22:36
Speaker 1: But you need a crime scene analyst going out there,
22:40
Speaker 1: possibly even a reconstruction an accident reconstructionist to look to
22:46
Speaker 1: see if there is any tail lights or broken glass
22:51
Speaker 1: or broken plastic that they could find from that sort
22:54
Speaker 1: of an attack. Also, was she a moving target? Did
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Speaker 1: someone somehow jump in at a red light? Jump in
23:05
Speaker 1: at a stop sign? Also? Is there any keycard information?
23:09
Speaker 1: Did you try to get into the building but couldn't?
23:13
Speaker 1: Also is there nav information? Navigation information that we could obtain?
23:19
Speaker 1: Also gas station information, fast food joints along the way.
23:24
Speaker 1: Did she drive through Starbucks to get a coffee? Also?
23:29
Speaker 1: Tag grabbers, Tag grabbers, there are those little poles you
23:32
Speaker 1: see on the side of the interstate of the road
23:35
Speaker 1: with a metal horizontal strip. They're grabbing your tag license,
23:40
Speaker 1: and thank Heaven they exist. Those are just a few
23:43
Speaker 1: things that I want to throw out, But to you,
23:46
Speaker 1: Stephanie Pogonis, could you address that please? Yes? Absolutely, And
23:50
Speaker 1: I do want to point out that one of the
23:52
Speaker 1: things I found I noticed in this case, I should say,
23:58
Speaker 1: in the missing endangered adult flyer that police released, at
24:03
Speaker 1: least the one that they sent to me, they did
24:05
Speaker 1: not even include information regarding the kind of car she
24:09
Speaker 1: was driving. Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, you know I
24:14
Speaker 1: love Andy of Maybury, but what is is Barney five?
24:17
Speaker 1: What you've got to put the car in there? I mean,
24:20
Speaker 1: there's a great picture for standing by the car, but
24:23
Speaker 1: normally they do a knock a lock up. Stephanie Pagonis
24:26
Speaker 1: that make and model that year in that color as
24:30
Speaker 1: best as they know it, with a big picture of
24:33
Speaker 1: the tag number which I have written down pe Pennsylvania.
24:37
Speaker 1: Why yellow Jay Joy eight five six four, p y
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Speaker 1: J eight five six four, black Nissan Rogue, that's what
24:48
Speaker 1: we know. That's a good catch. Stephanie Pagonis, this girl
24:52
Speaker 1: is no dummy. Take a listen to our cut nine
24:55
Speaker 1: our friends at crime online dot com. Chrissy Powell's originally
24:59
Speaker 1: from Newhaven, Kennetti. She graduated with a degree in psychology
25:02
Speaker 1: from the University of Texas at San Antonio and works
25:05
Speaker 1: as a paralegal. News reports looking at Pal's social media
25:09
Speaker 1: posts say that Pal is the mother of at least
25:11
Speaker 1: two boys, ages three and twelve. Pal's longtime friend, Lauren Lele,
25:15
Speaker 1: says she took pride in being a mom. In twenty eighteen,
25:19
Speaker 1: Pal posted a photo promoting domestic violence awareness, but her
25:23
Speaker 1: latest social posts are on a more happy note, posting
25:26
Speaker 1: a puppy update with photos of her two dogs, Oliver
25:29
Speaker 1: and Chevy. So, this woman has a psychology degree at
25:33
Speaker 1: University Texas, San Antonio, she's originally from Newhaving, Connecticut, and
25:38
Speaker 1: she's made a real life for herself. It's not like
25:41
Speaker 1: she's out turning tricks and buying crack on the corner.
25:45
Speaker 1: That means a lot. Doctor Angela Arnold explain why her
25:49
Speaker 1: lifestyle is significant. It sounds like she's a very responsible person,
25:55
Speaker 1: and of course we don't know a lot of her background.
25:58
Speaker 1: It it seems if we don't know a lot of
26:00
Speaker 1: her background, her different relationships that she's been in. But
26:04
Speaker 1: she certainly seems very responsible at this point because, like
26:08
Speaker 1: you said, Nancy, I'm not sure how many people are
26:10
Speaker 1: aware of how the kind of job that a paralegal does.
26:13
Speaker 1: But it's a very important job and you have to
26:16
Speaker 1: be really good at that job for somebody to keep
26:19
Speaker 1: you around, because the lawyers depend very heavily on their paralegals.
26:23
Speaker 1: That's my understanding. So she's got two children, she's living
26:27
Speaker 1: with her mother, she's got a new car, she's got
26:31
Speaker 1: a full time job. She's got a good degree from college.
26:35
Speaker 1: It's not easy to get a psychology degree. Okay, So
26:40
Speaker 1: all of these things indicate a stability in her life. Okay.
26:44
Speaker 1: I was waiting for you to make the connection to victimology,
26:48
Speaker 1: Jason Cambe. What I'm looking for. Everything that Angela Arnold
26:51
Speaker 1: said is true, but it all equals to one thing,
26:55
Speaker 1: low crime risk. But absolutely, she seems like a low
27:00
Speaker 1: crime risk type of a victim. She is somebody that
27:03
Speaker 1: is reliable. She's somebody that you can count on. The
27:05
Speaker 1: fact that they sent somebody to her home tells me
27:08
Speaker 1: that she's worked there long enough that they think that
27:12
Speaker 1: it's odd or out of her behavior that she wouldn't
27:15
Speaker 1: come in. We do the same thing here at our office.
27:17
Speaker 1: If we can't get a hold of somebody by nine
27:20
Speaker 1: o'clock nine thirty in the morning and we haven't heard
27:23
Speaker 1: from them, we send an investigator or somebody to their
27:27
Speaker 1: home to check and find out what's going on. Because
27:30
Speaker 1: in order to maintain these jobs, I think you have
27:32
Speaker 1: to be a reliable type of a person, and when
27:35
Speaker 1: you do something like that, it sends up red flags
27:37
Speaker 1: right away. Time stories with Nancy Grace. You know who's
27:58
Speaker 1: making me mad? Is h Lill right now? Sherry Peppini?
28:05
Speaker 1: Why because you heard Paul zyke as he rightfully should.
28:09
Speaker 1: Because this is always an avenue of investigation. Say, hey,
28:13
Speaker 1: you know, maybe she went off on her own. I
28:15
Speaker 1: don't think she did, because she's so attached to the
28:18
Speaker 1: three year old and to the twelve year old. But
28:21
Speaker 1: Sherry Peppini has forever muddied in the water because this
28:26
Speaker 1: young soccer mom takes off and basically leads us all
28:30
Speaker 1: on a wild goose chase. Although a lot of her
28:33
Speaker 1: the story didn't fit together at the beginning, but she
28:36
Speaker 1: shows up Thanksgiving Day, beaten up, branded, her body has
28:42
Speaker 1: been branded, her haircut off, she's lost like thirty pounds,
28:47
Speaker 1: her bones broken, claiming that she has been held by
28:52
Speaker 1: two female sexist falters. Really none of that fit together.
29:00
Speaker 1: She is forever tainted. No well, because now whenever a
29:05
Speaker 1: mom goes missing, they go, h she's pulled up Appini.
29:08
Speaker 1: I don't think she has stefinitely begonis. Another thing that's
29:13
Speaker 1: very troubling is this. Take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 1: ten our friends at crime online dot com. New information
29:20
Speaker 1: shows that Chrissie Powell and the father of one of
29:22
Speaker 1: her two children argued over tax messages. Powell had left
29:26
Speaker 1: her phone at home the day she disappeared. Her mother,
29:28
Speaker 1: Claudia Mobley, told the son that her daughter had argued
29:32
Speaker 1: with the father of the three year old. Mobley says
29:35
Speaker 1: she doesn't know what the pair were arguing about, but
29:38
Speaker 1: she adds that it wasn't unusual. Mobley says that she
29:41
Speaker 1: doesn't think the X could have hurt her daughter, and
29:43
Speaker 1: he has spoken to the police. I also suspect stephaniely
29:47
Speaker 1: Peguanus that he has the three year old because I
29:49
Speaker 1: understand that Chrissie's mom is taking care. Had both the
29:54
Speaker 1: children when Chrissie went missing, but now the most releasent
29:59
Speaker 1: report is that she's taking care of the twelve year old.
30:02
Speaker 1: Where's three year old? Yes, so as of recently, I
30:05
Speaker 1: would say as much as long as over the past year,
30:10
Speaker 1: Christie's ex has had the three year old in his care.
30:13
Speaker 1: So at the time of her disappearance, it was the
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Speaker 1: twelve year old at home, and the twelve year old
30:18
Speaker 1: is in Christie's mother's care while the three year old
30:21
Speaker 1: is in Christie's x's care. So they bet you they
30:25
Speaker 1: were arguing about custody and visitation. Because I can't stress enough.
30:31
Speaker 1: They've just come off the July fourth weekend, you know.
30:36
Speaker 1: To you Jason Campo, one of my best friends is
30:39
Speaker 1: a female defense attorney and her specialty, I'm embarrassed to say,
30:44
Speaker 1: is drugs. One headed cry to a drug lord. That's
30:49
Speaker 1: her thing. She says she would rather try a drug
30:53
Speaker 1: lord for murder than get involved in a domestic argument.
30:59
Speaker 1: And we know of these two were arguing via text
31:03
Speaker 1: and it had to be about the three year okis
31:05
Speaker 1: what do they have to argue about other than they
31:08
Speaker 1: don't live together, they've been separated for some time. What
31:13
Speaker 1: else do they have to argue about. I mean, you
31:15
Speaker 1: get between a mother and her baby, fur is gonna fly?
31:21
Speaker 1: Can I just say that, Campo? It definitely is a
31:25
Speaker 1: correct statement. It's one of the things that you know,
31:29
Speaker 1: everybody always says, like, oh, criminal law is difficult, and
31:32
Speaker 1: aren't you worried about, you know, working in criminal law
31:34
Speaker 1: and putting criminals in prison? And I always tell everybody,
31:37
Speaker 1: you know, I would much rather do what I do
31:39
Speaker 1: than do family law and get in between a parent
31:43
Speaker 1: and their child, right, because that seems way more dangerous
31:46
Speaker 1: than working in criminal law. I mean, Paul's right, former
31:49
Speaker 1: police commander. I've told my husband a million times, David,
31:52
Speaker 1: I love you, but nothing can compare to the way
31:56
Speaker 1: I feel about my children. I mean, don't even so
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Speaker 1: if they're arguing and they've got nothing else to argue about,
32:04
Speaker 1: it's got to be about the three year old boy.
32:06
Speaker 1: You know. Nancy definitely agree with that. It's going to
32:09
Speaker 1: be something involving custody or visitation, something along those lines.
32:14
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you one thing that really rings true
32:17
Speaker 1: in this and in many cases, is people do unexpected
32:21
Speaker 1: things when you mix kids custody. Uh, you know, interpersonal
32:25
Speaker 1: relationship dynamics. You find people, you know, kind of going
32:30
Speaker 1: off the deep end. So when somebody like her mother
32:33
Speaker 1: says yeah, they argue a lot me. You know, it's
32:35
Speaker 1: not really alarming, it's kind of it's kind of normal. Yeah,
32:38
Speaker 1: that might be normal for the last two years. But
32:41
Speaker 1: one uh, you know, conduct inhibitor, which I like to say,
32:45
Speaker 1: is one big thing like you're never going to see
32:47
Speaker 1: your kids again, or you're I'm taking you to chord
32:50
Speaker 1: for full custody or anything like that can trigger an event,
32:54
Speaker 1: and that very well could be what happened in this incident.
32:57
Speaker 1: Very astute analysis guys, listen to our cut seven our
33:01
Speaker 1: friends at crime online dot com. When Chrissy Powell didn't
33:04
Speaker 1: show up at work, one of her colleagues went to
33:06
Speaker 1: her Apple Creek home to check in on her. Powell's
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Speaker 1: oldest son, twelve years old, answered the door. When asked
33:12
Speaker 1: if his mom was home, he replied, she's at work.
33:16
Speaker 1: In a span of just three hours, Chrissie Powell disappeared.
33:20
Speaker 1: Claudia Mobley says her conversation with her daughter that morning
33:23
Speaker 1: was nothing out of the ordinary. They exchanged morning greetings
33:26
Speaker 1: followed by I'm leaving, I'm late and be careful, I
33:29
Speaker 1: love you. Mobley saw her daughter drive away after the
33:33
Speaker 1: colleagues's visit, and when her daughter didn't return home, Mowbiley
33:36
Speaker 1: reported her daughter missing with the San Antonio Police Department
33:39
Speaker 1: the next day. You know, it's interesting about that will
33:42
Speaker 1: so many things. Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists, joining us
33:45
Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction and you can find her
33:47
Speaker 1: at angela Arnold MD dot com, Doctor Angie. The dichotomy
33:52
Speaker 1: of it being a normal morning, grabbing your stuff, running
33:55
Speaker 1: out the door, you're late, saying bye, I love you,
33:59
Speaker 1: be careful. It just brings back to mind the day
34:03
Speaker 1: I learned my fiance have been murdered. I had been
34:06
Speaker 1: in a statistics exam and I walked out and inside
34:10
Speaker 1: it was an old building at Mercy University, and it
34:13
Speaker 1: was dark in there in the hallway, and I walked
34:16
Speaker 1: out and it was sunny and bright and beautiful. I
34:20
Speaker 1: thought wow, and started walking to work. The dichotomy between
34:25
Speaker 1: what feels to me a normal day and then all
34:28
Speaker 1: of a sudden your world blows up. Nobody is ready
34:32
Speaker 1: for this. That mother and those two children are not
34:35
Speaker 1: ready for this. It changes everything. Well, it knocks them
34:40
Speaker 1: off their guard also, so first they're in shock about
34:45
Speaker 1: what's happened, and they're kind of learning what's happened all along. Right,
34:50
Speaker 1: It's not like you go, oh my god, she's been kidnapped,
34:52
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's run away. No, every day they're
34:55
Speaker 1: wondering in their mind, oh, what in the world happened
34:58
Speaker 1: to her? Why would do this? So people are trying
35:02
Speaker 1: to gather evidence, but at the same time there's a
35:05
Speaker 1: level of shock that's going on with the family. I
35:08
Speaker 1: want to talk about those angry texts to Stephanie Pagonas,
35:11
Speaker 1: crime reporter with Fox News Digital. On Twitter, you can
35:14
Speaker 1: find her at step underscore Pegonas Stephanie the X The
35:20
Speaker 1: father the three year old boy has spoken to police,
35:26
Speaker 1: is my understanding. That's what reports say. Yes, although I
35:29
Speaker 1: have not gotten a better idea from police about how
35:34
Speaker 1: much they have spoken with this man or what he
35:37
Speaker 1: has shared with them. Police. When I reached out to
35:40
Speaker 1: them yesterday, they wouldn't tell me much in terms of
35:43
Speaker 1: when she was reported missing or anything along those lines.
35:46
Speaker 1: I'm hoping to get get a better idea today. I
35:49
Speaker 1: also just want to say, Nancy, from what I'm told
35:53
Speaker 1: from the family there are Christie's two sons have different fathers,
35:57
Speaker 1: although I believe that the father of the twelve year
36:00
Speaker 1: his son is not any picture. So it sounds to
36:03
Speaker 1: me like the twelve the father of the twelve year
36:06
Speaker 1: old is ruled out, and we are dealing with the
36:09
Speaker 1: father of the three year old. The fact, to you,
36:13
Speaker 1: Paul Zyke, that he has we think, cooperated with police,
36:18
Speaker 1: I find that significant. I don't know the level of cooperation,
36:22
Speaker 1: but the fact that he spoke to them at all
36:25
Speaker 1: is encouraging. Well, if he had any any reason to
36:28
Speaker 1: do this, and if he had planned this out and
36:31
Speaker 1: in fact was involved, he's probably gonna have a pretty
36:35
Speaker 1: clear path in his head of what he needs to do.
36:38
Speaker 1: He can't say, you know, look, I won't I won't
36:40
Speaker 1: talk to you. He's gonna end up being a number
36:42
Speaker 1: one suspect. And he knows that the reality is that
36:45
Speaker 1: if you have a missing female, you look for the
36:48
Speaker 1: male that she's either in a relationship with, was in
36:51
Speaker 1: a relationship with. There's some male point of contact that
36:56
Speaker 1: is probably going to lead you to where she's at,
36:58
Speaker 1: and he would know that. So I'm not impressed with
37:01
Speaker 1: he's cooperating with long and again we don't know the
37:04
Speaker 1: level of cooperation. I mean, has he submitted to having
37:09
Speaker 1: his home searched, his car searched, has he submitted to
37:13
Speaker 1: letting his cell phone data be accessed? In other words,
37:17
Speaker 1: triangulated where was he at the time she goes missing.
37:21
Speaker 1: I mean I would be on that like a cheap suit,
37:25
Speaker 1: not because I know anything bad about him, but statistically, statistically,
37:31
Speaker 1: Jason Campo, you look first at the lover boyfriend X.
37:37
Speaker 1: It's always where you start. That's where you always start.
37:40
Speaker 1: And he's got to acknowledge that because statistics are just
37:43
Speaker 1: too overwhelming. Also, the ratio of stranger on stranger attacks
37:50
Speaker 1: is much lower than attacks by somebody you know. Would
37:54
Speaker 1: you agree with that, Jason, Absolutely? It almost always it's
37:59
Speaker 1: a nine percent of the time it's somebody that you
38:01
Speaker 1: know when there's an assault. Even if it's just a
38:04
Speaker 1: friend on friend or somebody that you've been having issues
38:08
Speaker 1: with over time, there's always that link. I think there's
38:12
Speaker 1: so many things in this case that we don't know yet.
38:15
Speaker 1: Is there how long have they been separated? How long
38:21
Speaker 1: has she been in a relationship with somebody else since
38:24
Speaker 1: she was separated with him? And is that a person
38:27
Speaker 1: that we should be looking at. There's so many different
38:29
Speaker 1: things that we just don't know yet. The answer is
38:33
Speaker 1: the car. In just seven miles, this young mother of two,
38:39
Speaker 1: Chrissie Powell, seemingly disappears. Find the car and we'll know
38:44
Speaker 1: what happened to Chrissy. If you have information, please dial
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Speaker 1: zero and Rember. No one has been named a suspect
39:03
Speaker 1: or even a person of interest in this case. The
39:06
Speaker 1: field is wide open, but I can guarantee this mother
39:09
Speaker 1: did not walk off on her own. We wait as
39:14
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