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DESPERATE SEARCH FOR MISSING WARREN MOM OF 2, CAR ABANDONED: WHERE'S ASHLEY? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the desperate surge for a
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  Speaker 1: missing Warren mother of two, her car found abandoned. Where's Ashley?
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  Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories, Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. A mom of two vanishes without a
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  Speaker 1: trace after leaving her apartment. Family pleads for help. Where
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  Speaker 1: is this beautiful Warren missing mom of two? Her mother
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  Speaker 1: is tipped off, as we have seen most recently, with
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  Speaker 1: a very odd series of texts that don't sound like her.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 3: Just after the New year, Ashley Elkins leaves home early
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  Speaker 3: in the morning. Her family sees her leave wearing a
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  Speaker 3: long black coat with fur around the hood and black
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  Speaker 3: leggings with light freckles on her fate. Just ten minutes
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  Speaker 3: after Ashley leaves, her mother, Monica arrives.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the mom arrives just after she leaves.
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  Speaker 1: How many times have I heard witnesses family say I
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  Speaker 1: just missed her or him, and that chance miss makes
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  Speaker 1: all the difference. Listen, thanks her.
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  Speaker 4: I had a dream of her car being stolen, and
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  Speaker 4: she replied back, all men, which is weird to me?
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  Speaker 4: So I Facetimer, She answered.
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  Speaker 1: Well, talk about a mother's intuition. That's where my friends
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  Speaker 1: at w x y Z in Detroit. So mom, believe
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  Speaker 1: it or not, has an eerie premonition type dream for
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  Speaker 1: her daughter's car. It gets stolen, so she tries to
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  Speaker 1: go immediately visit to visit the daughter, she misses her
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  Speaker 1: literally by minutes.
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  Speaker 2: She wants to tell her about the dream, so she.
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  Speaker 1: Texts her and gets this odd response, going, oh man,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like her daughter at all, so listen.
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  Speaker 5: Monica Elkins arrives wanting to tell Ashley about a dream
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  Speaker 5: she had, having just missed Ashley. Monica sends a text
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  Speaker 5: to her daughter about the dream she had involving Ashley
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  Speaker 5: taking her mom's truck while leaving her car in the driveway.
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  Speaker 5: Ashley replies to the description of the dream, writing oh man.
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  Speaker 5: Monica feels this is a strange and uncharacteristic response for
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  Speaker 5: Ashley and attempts a FaceTime call immediately upon receipt of
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  Speaker 5: the text from Ashley's phone, but Ashley doesn't answer the
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  Speaker 5: FaceTime joining.
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  Speaker 1: Me an all star panel including family of Ashley's first
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  Speaker 1: I want to go to brianfa Is Gibbons joining me,
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  Speaker 1: Director Operations USP, a nationwide security leading a team of
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  Speaker 1: investigators to find missing people. And not only that marine
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  Speaker 1: an Iraqi war veteran, Brian, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody knows a child, and this is a grown child, Ashley,
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  Speaker 1: this gorgeous young mom of two, like your own mother.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody knows you like your mother. The mom has this
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  Speaker 1: eerie premonition dream and she doesn't just call. She goes
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  Speaker 1: over to the apartment to Ashley's place to tell her, WHOA,
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  Speaker 1: I had this crazy powerful dream. As she's not there,
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  Speaker 1: she texts and then gets a text that she thinks
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  Speaker 1: is off. How many times, Brian does the law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: God bless them, they're the I'm the best witnesses ever
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  Speaker 1: on the stand. Ignore hunches or intuition. I don't ignore it.
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  Speaker 6: We see it all the time, Nancy, in a number
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  Speaker 6: of cases that you and I have discussed.
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  Speaker 7: In this case, Ashley's mother was immediately able to recognize
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  Speaker 7: something that was deviating from Ashley's normal pattern of behavior.
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  Speaker 7: That tech the lexicon used in that text, not answering
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  Speaker 7: the FaceTime very concerning.
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  Speaker 1: Also joining me Scott Iiker, founding member of the FBI
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  Speaker 1: Cellular Analysis Survey Team. Let that say Ken founder founding
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  Speaker 1: member of the FBI Cellular cell Phone Analysis Survey Team
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  Speaker 1: Homicide detective twelve years missing People currently with precision Cellular
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  Speaker 1: Analysis Scott, Isn't it true that the lexicon of vernacular
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  Speaker 1: used in text can raise a red flag?
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  Speaker 8: Most definitely. That's one of the first things that we
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  Speaker 8: try to do when we're dealing with a missing person
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  Speaker 8: is deal with the last people that have talked to them.
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  Speaker 8: Things that are important are is the phone ringing to
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  Speaker 8: directly to voicemail? Is it going through a bunch of
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  Speaker 8: rings and not being answered? I agree that that, you know,
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  Speaker 8: not answering a FaceTime in an odd text back. We've
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  Speaker 8: seen that hundreds of times.
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  Speaker 1: Well recently we saw it in a heartbreaking case of
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  Speaker 1: Gabby Petito.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 5: On August twenty seventh, Potito and Laundry get into another
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  Speaker 5: dispute in public. A witness says Gabby is crying and
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  Speaker 5: Laundry is visibly angry. August thirtieth, Gabby Potito's mother gets
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  Speaker 5: a text message where Gabby refers to her grandfather by
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  Speaker 5: his name Stan. This text message was considered odd by
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  Speaker 5: petita mother, Nicole Schmidt. Schmid tells police that Gabby never
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  Speaker 5: calls her grandfather by his first name, and it doesn't
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  Speaker 5: sound like Gabby calls to Gabby or in returned. On
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  Speaker 5: September first, Brian Laundry arrives in Florida without Gabby Battito.
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  Speaker 5: Gabby is missing, Laundry isn't talking. Patito's body has found
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  Speaker 5: September nineteenth. She died from strangulation.
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  Speaker 1: I mean joining me right now, is longtime colleague, investigative
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  Speaker 1: reporter Alexis terrestruck crimeonline dot Com Alexis, come on, you
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  Speaker 1: know my dad and my mom. What I've ever said,
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  Speaker 1: ever said, Hey, mother, where's Walter Malcolm Gray Senior?
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  Speaker 2: Of course that's not her texting.
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  Speaker 9: No, and that's what her mother knew immediately. Ashley's mom,
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  Speaker 9: she knew that when she centered this thing. And it's
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  Speaker 9: sort of a desperate message. I had this terrible dream
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  Speaker 9: and the dream was so bad that I've come to
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  Speaker 9: your house.
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  Speaker 2: You're not here.
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  Speaker 9: She missed her by ten minutes. Instead of running back,
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  Speaker 9: you know, oh, Mama, that's I'm fine, I'm safe, don't
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  Speaker 9: worry about it, and I have my car. All she
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  Speaker 9: gets back is manned. That's not something that she would
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  Speaker 9: ever have heard.
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  Speaker 1: Well, here's another problem with sis. I better throw this
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  Speaker 1: to our veteran trial lawyer, Ben Powers joining us. He's
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  Speaker 1: at Legal Powers LLC. Hey, Ben, you know it would
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  Speaker 1: be a cold day in HG DOUBLEL that I tried
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  Speaker 1: to introduce something in front of a jury I couldn't prove.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I've never even considered psychics, even though many
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  Speaker 1: of them have actually helped find dead bodies and missing people.
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  Speaker 2: They have, but to tell a jury that.
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  Speaker 1: They would possibly discount the whole state's case.
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  Speaker 2: If one of them is a non believer.
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  Speaker 1: Same thing with premonitions or dreams like mom had, but
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  Speaker 1: been powers. In this case, I think I'd bring it
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  Speaker 1: on because not only did the mom have this premonition
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  Speaker 1: dream about her daughter, she woke up and went, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going over there. That's real.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just something she made up.
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  Speaker 1: Later she got in the car and went over there
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  Speaker 1: to warn her daughter.
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  Speaker 2: It was that strong. I believe I would let that
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  Speaker 2: into evidence.
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  Speaker 10: So I think that statement alone, Probably it is not
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  Speaker 10: a good idea to bring into evidence by itself, but
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  Speaker 10: it certainly tells the story and humanizes the story. You know,
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  Speaker 10: it's a concerned mother. She has a bad feeling. She
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  Speaker 10: texts her daughter. She gets an odd response. Ten minutes later,
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  Speaker 10: her daughter's gone. And so then you anchor that to
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  Speaker 10: the rest of the story through admissible proof, admissible evidence,
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  Speaker 10: possible forensics. Selled out a I wouldn't make the whole
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  Speaker 10: case a premonition case, but I would anchor that premonition.
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  Speaker 1: It would make the whole case a premonition case. I said,
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  Speaker 1: I would, Hey.
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  Speaker 11: O J.
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  Speaker 1: Simpson case, the timeline started with a dog akda wailing
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  Speaker 1: in the background. The neighbors described it as a plaintive. Well, okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's when the timeline started. Okay, in this case, when
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  Speaker 1: the mom goes over there, goes to the daughter's place
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  Speaker 1: after a bad dream, it was so vivid. That's where
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  Speaker 1: I would start my timeline right there. And uh, do
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  Speaker 1: you recall the name Kelsey Beareth ben Powers. Do you
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  Speaker 1: know that name? Just be honest, I don't know that name. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I will never forget it because Kelsey Beareth, I believe,
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  Speaker 1: was not only a murder victim, but her phone had
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  Speaker 1: been taken by the purpse and a series of fate
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  Speaker 1: messages were sent.
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  Speaker 5: Listen, Patrick Frasey receives a short text from his fiance
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  Speaker 5: Kelsey Beareth's phone that simply says do you even love me?
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  Speaker 5: Phrasey replies, why would I bend over backwards and stand
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  Speaker 5: behind you through everything if I didn't? So to answer
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  Speaker 5: your question, yes I do. Turns out those messages were
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  Speaker 5: and sinned. Three days after Patrick Frasey had murdered Kelsey Beareth,
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  Speaker 5: and he was in the middle of covering up the
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  Speaker 5: crime with the help of his mistress turnstate's witness, Crystal Lee.
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  Speaker 5: Prosecutors proved Phrasey beat Beareth, his fiance and mother of
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  Speaker 5: his child, to death on Thanksgiving Day. He has sentenced
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  Speaker 5: to life without parole.
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  Speaker 1: In joining me is doctor Chavon Scott, doctor Scott's psychotherapist
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  Speaker 1: and author of the Minds of mass Killers, Understanding and
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  Speaker 1: Interrupting the Pathway to violence. If that didn't give you
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  Speaker 1: a nightmare, I don't know what would, But doctor Scott,
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  Speaker 1: aside from the mom's premonition, I'm moving on. Why do
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  Speaker 1: people believe they're the smartest one in the room. They
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  Speaker 1: can now smart everybody. I go into the room thinking
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  Speaker 1: these people know more than I do about this topic. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's a given, But why do people think Three days
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  Speaker 1: after Kelsey goes missing, they can send a series of
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  Speaker 1: fake text messages and fake everybody out. Why are people
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  Speaker 1: that arrogant? Yeah?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, you're really describing somebody with what we call the
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  Speaker 12: cluster B disorders, right, and that's somebody with a criminal mind,
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  Speaker 12: and they do tend to be very arrogant. You see
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  Speaker 12: this with so many different kinds of murderers, including the
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  Speaker 12: serial killers, where they really think they're going to outgame
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  Speaker 12: everybody and get away with it. So it really is
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  Speaker 12: an aberrant type of personality that, unfortunately, we see in
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  Speaker 12: these kind of cases all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Well, mom doesn't just knock at the door and then
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  Speaker 1: go back to business as usual.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 13: During the day of January second, family members reach out
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  Speaker 13: to Ashley Elkins with minimal success. Hours after sending a
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  Speaker 13: text but not answering a FaceTime call from her mother,
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  Speaker 13: another family member gets a text from Ashley saying she
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  Speaker 13: is going to a beauty supply This isn't the way
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  Speaker 13: Ashley Elkins usually communicates with the family, and her mother says.
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  Speaker 13: Ashley's phone is turned off after the text about going
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  Speaker 13: to the beauty supply store, before it is turned back
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  Speaker 13: on again.
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  Speaker 1: This beautiful young mom of two I mean, she's gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't even look real. She's so beautiful. Where is Ashley?
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  Speaker 2: So Mom beside herself.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, So I said, how you know, just be mindful
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  Speaker 4: of watches around and your pants where you're going. And
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  Speaker 4: she didn't call back. That's not like her has She
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  Speaker 4: never called back and she never takes back.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how mom is even able to speak
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  Speaker 1: right now, Ashley gone, can't find her.
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  Speaker 2: The two little children want mommy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, that's where our friends at WXYZ Detroit.
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  Speaker 1: So let's move forward. She goes to the house, knocks
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  Speaker 1: on the door. She can't find Ashley. The family joined
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  Speaker 1: together to start looking for Ashley.
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  Speaker 2: This is so uncharacteristic. Listen.
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  Speaker 5: Monica Elkins gets a text reply from her daughter Ashley,
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  Speaker 5: but the text isn't consistent with the way Ashley texts. Later,
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  Speaker 5: when another text is received from Ashley's phone is not
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  Speaker 5: sending the way Ashley normally text. Family members are concerned
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  Speaker 5: when they can't get Ashley to answer the phone, so
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  Speaker 5: they use the find my iPhone app to locate her phone.
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  Speaker 14: According to Ashley's phone, her last known location was in
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  Speaker 14: the twenty nine hundred block of Pinehurst Street in Roseville.
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  Speaker 14: By the time family members drive by, there is no
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  Speaker 14: sign of Ashley Elkins or Ashley's twenty ten gray Chevrolet Malibu.
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  Speaker 1: So what exactly is a ping? What does it mean?
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  Speaker 1: And how reliable is it? Scott Iiker, founding member FBI
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  Speaker 1: Cellular Analysis Survey Team.
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  Speaker 2: What is a ping and how reliable is it?
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  Speaker 1: Pings are things that you can see.
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  Speaker 8: Well, let's start with find my iPhone, because that's very important.
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  Speaker 8: People can do that for their family members if they
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  Speaker 8: have that set up, that's very important to get a
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  Speaker 8: more quicker look at it before they get the police involved.
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  Speaker 8: If they're just trying to find their friend or family member.
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  Speaker 8: You can get pings from the phone companies themselves. Now
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  Speaker 8: that takes a quarte order, that takes information that someone's
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  Speaker 8: missing or endangered, but we can get that also. Now,
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  Speaker 8: the accuracy of the pings does depend on the terrain
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  Speaker 8: and what type of systems being used to do it.
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  Speaker 8: So sometimes they're very accurate. They use GPS, we can
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  Speaker 8: get it down to like ten meters, very accurate. Sometimes
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  Speaker 8: those pings are very large, thirteen hundred meters stuff like that.
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  Speaker 8: So it really just depends on the type of technology
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  Speaker 8: is being used, and where the phone is at that
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  Speaker 8: point in time. Of course, it has to be on
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  Speaker 8: to be able to opin it.
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  Speaker 1: Where is this gorgeous mom of to her family? Distraught
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  Speaker 1: and speaking of family joining us right now?
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  Speaker 2: Is her uncle.
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  Speaker 1: Maurice Morton coincidentally a former Wayne County homicide prosecutor. Mister Morton,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Ashley's family mom, siblings
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  Speaker 1: get in touch with you almost immediately.
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  Speaker 2: What was their state of mind at that time?
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  Speaker 11: They were fransic. I mean they were very upset. You know,
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  Speaker 11: Ashley was missing. At this point. They were asking me
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  Speaker 11: about the forty eight hours, right, They're like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 11: you know, we know that after forty eight hours, you know,
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  Speaker 11: things tend to go south. And they had a lot
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  Speaker 11: of questions about, you know, these type of investigations. They
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  Speaker 11: wanted my assistance at that time dealing with the police
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  Speaker 11: and the media because at that point, you know, the
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  Speaker 11: police weren't convinced anything had occurred, and the media.
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  Speaker 1: Was not no, no, no, mister Morton, please don't tell
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  Speaker 1: me when they contact police that police say, oh, she's
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  Speaker 1: just off with her boyfriend, or oh she's a single mom.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe she needed alone time. We don't think she's really missing.
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  Speaker 1: Did they do that? I almost hate to ask the question.
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  Speaker 11: They absolutely did that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm gonna need an aspirin. Guys, what happens next?
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  Speaker 1: The mom's so distraught about Ashley being gone, she reaches
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  Speaker 1: out to brother, attorney Maurice Morton. The family now taking
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  Speaker 1: the search into their own hands.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 13: After failing to find Ashley Elkins or even have a
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  Speaker 13: meaningful communication with her, on January second, her family reports
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  Speaker 13: her missing in Warren, Michigan. On January third, investigators confirmed
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  Speaker 13: her last known location is Roseville and say they are
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  Speaker 13: canvassing area businesses for video and using digital forensics in
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  Speaker 13: the case to try to track her whereabouts. Ashley Elkins
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  Speaker 13: is a thirty year old mother of two young boys.
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  Speaker 13: She is five foot two to five foot three, a
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  Speaker 13: black woman, weighing around one hundred and fifty pounds, and then.
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  Speaker 2: What they think is going to be a break listen.
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  Speaker 5: Conducting video, canvases and examining digital evidence, Investigators are interviewing
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  Speaker 5: friends and family members as they try to locate Ashley Elkins.
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  Speaker 5: On Tuesday, January seventh, authorities find Ashley Elkins car abandoned
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  Speaker 5: a few miles from her ex boyfriend's Roosevelt apartment. After
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  Speaker 5: locating Ashley's twenty ten Chevy Malibu, investigators go to Booker's
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  Speaker 5: apartment with a search warrant.
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  Speaker 1: The discovery of a missing person's car usually is a
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  Speaker 1: huge break in the case.
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  Speaker 2: What if anything will it reveal?
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  Speaker 1: Is their blood?
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  Speaker 2: Is their fingerprints?
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  Speaker 1: Is the car simply out of gas or with a
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  Speaker 1: flat tire that could indicate where is Ashley? We just
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  Speaker 1: covered this in the case of missing mom Niki Chan. Listen.
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  Speaker 5: Eight days pass from when Niki Chang Sale McCain was
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  Speaker 5: last seen by her family and the day her truck
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  Speaker 5: was found abandoned into Hamma County. The two thousand and
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  Speaker 5: two avalanche is found on the side of the road
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  Speaker 5: in a remote area, doesn't appear to have suffered any damage.
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  Speaker 5: Investigators aren't saying as the vehicle was operational when abandoned,
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  Speaker 5: or if it simply ran out of gas.
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  Speaker 1: Alexis terreschut. In our case in chief, Ashley's car is found,
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  Speaker 1: where was it?
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  Speaker 9: Her car was found about a six minute drive away
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  Speaker 9: from her home, so about three miles away.
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  Speaker 1: Still this we're saying, Brosefield.
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  Speaker 9: This is a suburb of Detroit. Detroit is a very
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  Speaker 9: big city, just a few miles away from a lake.
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  Speaker 1: This is but still a very urban center.
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  Speaker 9: Found there. But you know what was not found in
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  Speaker 9: her car. Her pocketbook was not found in her car.
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  Speaker 9: Her cell phone was not found in her car. But
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  Speaker 9: her car was found back.
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  Speaker 1: To Ash's uncle, Maurice Morton joining us. Maurice, so her
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  Speaker 1: pocketbook and cell phone missing from the car. Let me
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  Speaker 1: ask you a couple of questions regarding Ashley's car found
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  Speaker 1: about six minutes away from her home.
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  Speaker 2: Did I have a flat tire?
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  Speaker 7: No it did not.
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  Speaker 1: Was it out of gas?
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  Speaker 11: No it was not.
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  Speaker 1: Had it been in a fender bender or any accident
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  Speaker 1: at all, No it had not. So six minutes away Ashley,
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  Speaker 1: we're supposed to believe Ashley just gets out of her
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  Speaker 1: car and walks away. I mean, her mother must be
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  Speaker 1: like a knife in her heart. Ashley would never do that, Maurice,
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  Speaker 1: just get out of the car and walk off.
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  Speaker 11: No, she wouldn't. And the mother was very clear about
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  Speaker 11: that that all of these actions, you know, would have
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  Speaker 11: been uncharacteristic of Ashley. She always kept in touch with
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  Speaker 11: her family. She had a ten year old and seven
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  Speaker 11: year old children who she cared for regularly. In fact,
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  Speaker 11: the seven year old is autistic. Ashley loved her children
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  Speaker 11: to death. She was always there.
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  Speaker 1: She would have never done this.
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  Speaker 11: She would have never just walked away.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: And you know, Ben Power is joining me veteran trial
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: lawyer at legalpowers dot com. You said, can't build a
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: case on the mom's premonition about the car, Well, I
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: think you have to introduce that at the get go,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: because the car is a recurring thread in this. Now
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: we've got the car abandoned on the side of the right.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with it, not out of gas, no
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: fender bender, no flat tire, nothing. So you think Ashley
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: just got out said hey, I think I'll go for
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: a little walk.
• 21:05
  Speaker 10: Bs, I think you're gonna need to be able to
• 21:07
  Speaker 10: establish why she and the car are no longer connected.
• 21:11
  Speaker 10: You know, why the car is six minutes away from
• 21:13
  Speaker 10: her house, and who or what caused her to leave
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: her car if she didn't leave voluntarily. Otherwise it's speculation
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: as to why her car is by itself.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you just tell that to a jury.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: You ask any woman on that jury, she's gonna park
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: her car on the side of the road and take
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: a walk. Okay, you're gonna get nowhere with that Crime
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Another question for Maurice Morton. This
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: is Ashy's uncle joining us. Maurice, what about the keys
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: to the car? Were they ever recovered?
• 21:52
  Speaker 11: You know, we don't know that at this time. So
• 21:55
  Speaker 11: we know that we heard that the keys were not
• 21:57
  Speaker 11: in the vehicle, but we don't know if they were recovered.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: To Ryan Fitzgibbons, I want to talk to you about
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: potential evidence found in a car. And to Scott Iiker,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going to bring up the specter of Alex Murdoch
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: and what all we learned from his vehicle, the suburban
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: he drove away from a murder scene the night his
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: wife and son were murdered by him. But to you,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzgibbons joining us a veteran, veteran when it comes
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: to searching for missing people, normally you can get.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: A treasure trove of evidence from a car.
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, Nancy and police are going to be pretty tight
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: to the chest with this. You know, they are likely
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: finding a tremendous amount of forensic evidence in there.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: This could be fingerprints, this could be DNA evidence, This
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: can be items that corroborate a timeline or refute statements
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: made by the family or those texts. So there's going
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: to be quite a bit of information gathered from this vehicle.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm thinking about blood.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Maurice Martin, let me know, were their forensic forensically viable
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: probative they proved something fingerprints, blood, hair, sign of a struggle.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Was the front seat pulled back too far? I know
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: that you recall Maurice the case of missing teacher Tara Grinstead.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: In her case, her car was found right where it
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: should be, parked in her garage. But she, Maurice was
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: neat nick, complete neat nick. When I went into her home,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: it looked like a model home out of a magazine.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: But then her mother took me out to look at
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: her car. You know those cars that people keep smelling
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: like a new car. Her car smell like a new car,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: but the sides were covered in mud and the front
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: seat was reared back, so somebody six feet or taller
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: could drive, and Tara was very petite.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: So there's all kinds of evidence you can get from
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: a car.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Do we know if the driver's seat was pulled back
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: for a taller person.
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: We don't know. Unfortunately, you know, the police have not
• 24:10
  Speaker 11: given us a whole lot of information about the vehicle.
• 24:13
  Speaker 11: What they have this said, though, interestingly, is that there
• 24:17
  Speaker 11: is substantial evidence. And they use the words substantial without
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: getting into detail, and they use those words quite a bit.
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: So you know, we're you know, we're guessing that there
• 24:28
  Speaker 11: was you know, possibly quite a bit of evidence.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Scott Iikerr, you're hearing what Bryan Fitzgibbons and Maurice Mortner's saying.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: But I want you, founding member of the FBI Cellular
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Announced team, I want you to think about what else
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: we can learn from this car. This car was of
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: a model and make that should have some sort of
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: NAV system, navigation system in it. As you recall from
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the Alexi murda On double murder trial, learn more about
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: NAV systems than we ever wanted to know. For instance,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: we know exactly when Alex Murnaud cranked up his suburban
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: and left the murder scene. We know that he scratched
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: off that he and we learned all this from the
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: nav system, that he lowered the window electric electric windows
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: right where Maggie, his wife's cell phone was thrown out
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: on the side of the road, let up the window,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: then floored it.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: We know when he reached his mother's house.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Which she used as an alibi, when he put that
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: car in part turned it off, and when he got
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: back in to go back to the murder scene and
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: find the two dead bodies. I can tell when he
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: put it in park, reverse drive, you name it.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: So what can I learn from Ashy's car, Nancy?
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: There's a ton of stuff you can learn from the car.
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: As you said, the vehicle telematics, a lot of programs
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: that we can use to download the data from the
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: car itself. Just plug it in like a mechanic does,
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: and it downloads all this information. Like you talked about
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: in those other cases, it's very accurate and very helpful
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: in cases. A lot of the cars also have cell
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: phones in them. That's helpful to us too. We can
• 26:20
  Speaker 8: ping a car. We can use tower information to help
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: us track a car over time. There's tons of information
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: you can get from a car, not only the physical
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: evidence and as you mentioned, but the vehicles information when
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: brakes were applied, you know, when an accident occurred. All
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: that information is recorded in some of these cars.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: What more do we know? We know that, in addition
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: to feeling someone had been following her as she drive
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: her car, there were a lot of red flags no
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: one really knew how to interpret.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 26:56
  Speaker 13: DeAndre Booker and Ashley Elkins have been dating long enough
• 26:59
  Speaker 13: that mother and other family members think the two will
• 27:02
  Speaker 13: be getting married in the future. Booker is smart and
• 27:05
  Speaker 13: really good with computers, but there are a couple of
• 27:08
  Speaker 13: red flags popping up. Ashley Elkins has developed a career
• 27:11
  Speaker 13: as a hairstylist and is able to maximize profits by
• 27:14
  Speaker 13: working out of her home until DeAndre Booker doesn't like
• 27:18
  Speaker 13: men coming to Ashley's home to have their haircut, so
• 27:21
  Speaker 13: Ashley spends the money to rent a facility to conduct business.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: What okay, hold on just a moment, Maurice Morton is
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: joining me Ashley's uncle.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: You're a practicing lawyer.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: That would be like my husband saying, you know what,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I don't want you in the courtroom because there's too
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: many male lawyers and defendants. I couldn't practice law for
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Pete's sake. So the boyfriend tells her he doesn't like
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: men clients coming to her home salon that cuts out
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: about fifty percent of her business.
• 27:54
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's true. I mean, you know, that was an
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: early on red flag about him and his personality. Obviously
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: he was controlling, very jealous type, and the mom and
• 28:08
  Speaker 11: Ashley began to see that about him. This is someone
• 28:11
  Speaker 11: who they embraced, who she had around her children, and
• 28:17
  Speaker 11: who everyone liked. And you never would have thought but
• 28:20
  Speaker 11: he You know, that was one of the first red
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: flags of how controlling he was.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Doctor Chevon Scott joining us renowned psychotherapist author of the
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Minds of mass Killers a doctor Chevon controlling doesn't necessarily
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: mean killer. But when I look back at cases I've handled, prosecuted,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: and investigated, very often it's the reverse. I have seen
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: so many cases where the per boyfriend or husband, lover,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: ex lover has also been controlling. The converse can very
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: often when we say he's controlling, what does that mean?
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: You heard Maurice Morton, who knows Ashy, knows, the boyfriend,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: knows the family, say he was controlling.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: That in itself is not a deal breaker.
• 29:14
  Speaker 12: But it's not good. No, it's not good. It's definitely
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: a red flag. A couple decades ago, I was a
• 29:20
  Speaker 12: director of counseling and a domestic violence women's shelter, and
• 29:24
  Speaker 12: that was really the standard was these jealous, controlling men,
• 29:29
  Speaker 12: and they're very seductive.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 29:31
  Speaker 12: That's the thing I can't under emphasize, is how seductive
• 29:36
  Speaker 12: they can be and how charming, because if that was
• 29:39
  Speaker 12: the only thing the woman ever saw, of course they
• 29:43
  Speaker 12: would recognize this is a dangerous, unsafe relationship. But often
• 29:48
  Speaker 12: there's an undercurrent of the control, and it's layered with
• 29:53
  Speaker 12: things that are very nice about the relationship, so the
• 29:56
  Speaker 12: women get confused.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: You're giving me a headache.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I don't want to tell you why. If I thought
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I had to go through my husband's text messages and
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: find them on Life three sixty and blah blah, I'd
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: shoot my foot. I try to read his messages one time.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: They were so boring my eyes just started bleeding. Why
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: do people stay in relationships where they don't trust the
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: other one? There's all these red flags.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: It's exhausting, Doctor Chavn.
• 30:28
  Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, and it becomes like an addiction sometimes, particularly
• 30:33
  Speaker 12: for these men that you know, when we think of love,
• 30:37
  Speaker 12: we think of giving and nurturing and wanting the best
• 30:40
  Speaker 12: for the other person. But I think for men like this,
• 30:44
  Speaker 12: the woman is an object and his sense of ownership
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: for her takes precedence. And often there's this mix of
• 30:51
  Speaker 12: desire and hostility. And it's very confusing to be the
• 30:56
  Speaker 12: female partner in a relationship like that, because very often
• 31:00
  Speaker 12: he's wonderful. And they also know how to manipulate their vulnerabilities.
• 31:05
  Speaker 12: Younger women in particular, can have a lot of vulnerabilities.
• 31:09
  Speaker 12: They can have low self esteem, and these men know
• 31:12
  Speaker 12: how to manipulate that well.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Speaking of red flags, listen to this man. Ladies, if
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: you hear something like this about your boyfriend, even your husband,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: you run for the heels as if you had seen
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: a monster. Listen to me, take a listen.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Booker shows off his computer skills by creating fraudulent documents,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: but the final straw that breaks the relationship is when
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Elkins discovers Booker has been creating profiles of people online
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: and using the fake profiles to comment on his own
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: posts on social media, as well as track Ashley's online behavior.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Elkins and DeAndre Booker break up in September.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, wha wait, so he creates a fake online
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: persona to comment on his posts. Do I have that right,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Alexis Terestchuk.
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: Yes, he has been doing this. This is something he creates.
• 32:07
  Speaker 9: He has his own website, you know, his own social media.
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: Then he creates other people to say, oh, you know,
• 32:11
  Speaker 9: you're so great with this guy, things like this, just
• 32:13
  Speaker 9: to make himself.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Seem so much much better.
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: Then she finds out that he's been that he has
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: been doing this. She sees, oh, it's not just you. You
• 32:21
  Speaker 9: are the one that is creating all of these people
• 32:23
  Speaker 9: commenting on this, and she fully breaks up with him.
• 32:25
  Speaker 9: She ends the relationship.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, what a wack of doodle, I see, chauvon Scott,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: doctor Scott just shuddering that. But there's no other way
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: to put it.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Maurice Morton, you're her uncle.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: So she is involved, and this guy's around her children,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: that's making up fake uh people on multiple fake IDs
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: online so they can comment on how great his posts are.
• 32:50
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it just it just doesn't sound like a reasonable person.
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: It did say a lot about him. And then at
• 32:58
  Speaker 11: that point, you know, Ashley and the mom began to
• 33:02
  Speaker 11: really question. You know, mom was very clear she thought
• 33:05
  Speaker 11: he was a fraud and this was someone that she adored,
• 33:08
  Speaker 11: and eventually she said, Hey, she thought he was a fraud.
• 33:12
  Speaker 11: They didn't know what to believe about him, what was
• 33:14
  Speaker 11: real or wasn't.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Just because you delete something off of your computer doesn't
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: mean it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Doesn't exist in the cloud.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Or somewhere deep buried in your computer. Take a listen
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: for someone known as computer savvy. Investigators were able to
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: retrieve some of the basic Internet searches that included answers
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: to the question what to do while on the run.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Booker also allegedly wants to know if blood is traceable,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: fastest routes from Flint, Ohio, how to beat a polygraph test,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: and what he probably should have started with deleting Google
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: search history. Okay, the word idiot springs to mind crime
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace to Maurice Mortin, this is Ashley
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Elkins's uncle.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: What more, if anything, do you know.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: About these damning computer searches on Booker's devices.
• 34:19
  Speaker 11: Yeah, when we when we saw that, it was very alarming.
• 34:23
  Speaker 11: At that point, when you see that, you're you're figuring that, hey,
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: this this guy was planning to commit a crime, and
• 34:30
  Speaker 11: and and so it really raised, you know, the concern
• 34:35
  Speaker 11: within the family of what he was planning to do.
• 34:38
  Speaker 11: Or what he had done because we had been aware
• 34:41
  Speaker 11: of these, uh search the search messages since that Friday
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: after she was missing.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: It brings to mind a case it's going to be
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: proven almost entirely based on damning Google searches. I'm talking
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: about another missing mom. Up to Boys and a Walsh husband.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Brian Walsh's computer a treasure trove of incriminating evidence.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: Bryan Walsh begins the first day of a new year
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: at four fifty five am by searching the Internet for
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: a quote how long before a body starts to smell?
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: He follows that by searching how to stop a body
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: from decomposing? Ten ways to dispose of a dead body
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: if you really need to, how long does DNA last?
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: How to remove blood from a wooden floor, can you
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: identify a body with broken teeth? And finally, can you
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: be charged with murder without a body?
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: One of the searches conducted by x Booker is what
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: to do while on the run. Much like Scott Peterson,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: he did go on the run. Explain Alexis Tereschuk, it.
• 35:49
  Speaker 9: Come to her house on New Year's Eve Deceummer thirty. First,
• 35:52
  Speaker 9: he actually booked an appointment with her but not as himself.
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: So remember we said he pretends to be other people,
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: he uses different identifications. He even did this to her,
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: So he booked an appointment at her home salon the
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: one that he didn't like her to have, and showed
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: up at her house. She saw him from out inside
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: the home and she had people over house, showed everybody
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: to be quiet. He knocked on the front door, he
• 36:13
  Speaker 9: knocked on the side door. Everybody stayed inside and didn't
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: make a work sound, and then he left. So then
• 36:20
  Speaker 9: people try to find him. Nobody can find him. He
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: is just as missing as she is for a couple
• 36:26
  Speaker 9: of days. Then police are finally able to find him.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: The day Scott Peterson is arrested. His dyed his brown
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: hair blonde and grown out of goateee. His Mercedes stuffed
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: with survival gear, camving gear, several changes of clothing, two
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: driver's license, He has his and his brothers, four cell phones,
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: fifteen grand in cash, and twelve Viagra pills.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: See, you have been powers much like Scott Peterson with
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: his blonde hair. This guy Booker goes on the run.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: That's evidence of guilt. Flight while your girlfriend, your ex
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: is missing, you suddenly decide to go on the run.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: It's damning.
• 37:07
  Speaker 10: I mean, he's allowed to travel. It's not running from anything.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: At that point.
• 37:11
  Speaker 10: He's allowed to go from one place to another. They
• 37:13
  Speaker 10: would have to establish that he knew he was the
• 37:16
  Speaker 10: subject of an investigation and that he fled that investigation.
• 37:20
  Speaker 10: But there's nothing unlawful. We actually have a right to travel,
• 37:23
  Speaker 10: and so he's free to move about as he wants.
• 37:26
  Speaker 10: They're going to have to tie that to knowing that
• 37:29
  Speaker 10: he was under investigation and fleeing that investigation.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Speaking of red flags, what about a rap sheet?
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Listen dedre Booker served in the United States Army, but
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: was removed from the military with a less than honorable
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: discharge after going a wall in twenty seventeen. This happened
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: after he was charged the previous year with several other crimes,
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: including larceny and possessing fake identification documents while still serving
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: on active duty in the Army. He went a wall
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: after the charges and then was given his less than
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: honorable discharge.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I'm starting to see a course of conduct that repeats itself.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: He goes a wall in the army, and now he's
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: a wall during the search for his love interest Ashley
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Ashley Elkins, Maurice Morton had actually had any idea that
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Booker had a rap.
• 38:19
  Speaker 11: Sheet was that came as news to the family about
• 38:22
  Speaker 11: his background with the military and him being a wall
• 38:25
  Speaker 11: absolutely had no idea.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Maurice Morton joining me Ashley's uncle. What led police to
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: go to a landfill?
• 38:34
  Speaker 11: Well, when they conducted the search of Deandre's apartment, they
• 38:40
  Speaker 11: indicated to us they found substantial evidence without telling us
• 38:44
  Speaker 11: what they found. They also hauled away a dumpster, and
• 38:47
  Speaker 11: you know, they indicated to me that there was also
• 38:49
  Speaker 11: substantial evidence in there. So we kind of gleaned through
• 38:53
  Speaker 11: the lines that they found blood evidence also that dumpster
• 38:57
  Speaker 11: apparently had been dumped on that stat day after she
• 39:01
  Speaker 11: went missing, and so you know, reading between the lines,
• 39:04
  Speaker 11: we figure they kind of then went to the landfield net.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons joining me, Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security leaves
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: a team of investigators trying to find missing people. Brian,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: you and I both have been involved in grid searches
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: at landfills and dump sites.
• 39:24
  Speaker 15: Very difficult, absolutely, and this one was made more difficult
• 39:29
  Speaker 15: with the cold temperatures that Michigan has been experiencing, so
• 39:33
  Speaker 15: they were able to narrow it down to a six
• 39:36
  Speaker 15: to seven acre location at the landfill, a plot of
• 39:41
  Speaker 15: area about seven acres square. So that's going to be
• 39:45
  Speaker 15: a difficult search as they go grid by grid.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: The family on pins and needles as the search for
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Ashley leads police to a Macomb County landfill.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Back to Ashley's uncle, Race Morton, joining us.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I understand, mister Morton, that DNA has been obtained.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: What's the source and what can you tell us about it?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, police indicated to us that from evidence they collected
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  Speaker 11: at his apartment and from the dumpster, they wanted to
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  Speaker 11: collect some samples to do a DNA match, so they
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  Speaker 11: did do swabbing of the mother and her children in
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  Speaker 11: order to get a DNA match. We have not gotten
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  Speaker 11: the results back from that DNA sample.
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  Speaker 1: Mister Morton. How is the family holding up? Who has
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  Speaker 1: Ashy's two little boys?
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  Speaker 11: Her boys are staying with their father and grandparents. The
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  Speaker 11: families are, you know, coming together to support them. You
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  Speaker 11: can imagine, Nancy, this has been really tough. And you know,
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  Speaker 11: someone asked me the question. Being a former prosecutor, you know,
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  Speaker 11: how does it feel to be on the other side, right,
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  Speaker 11: you know, but they actually asked the question. But it's tough,
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  Speaker 11: and I dealt with victims all my life. But to
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  Speaker 11: be on this side, you see the pain, You see
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  Speaker 11: the heartache, you see all the questions. You see how
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  Speaker 11: difficult it is dealing with the media of police trying
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  Speaker 11: to get answers, fighting for answers because you want your
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  Speaker 11: loved one back home. It's very difficult.
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  Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything. Maybe you
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  Speaker 1: saw her car, maybe you saw her, Maybe you saw
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  Speaker 1: DeAndre Booker driving her car. Please dial Warren PD five
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  Speaker 1: eight six five seven four four seven eight four or
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  Speaker 1: Roosevelt Police Crime Stoppers toll free eight hundred. Speak up.
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  Speaker 1: That's eight hundred seven seven three two five eight seven.
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  Speaker 1: Her boys want their mother. One of them unable to
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  Speaker 1: understand what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: He's autistic. Let's stop and remember an American hero, Jacqueline
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  Speaker 2: Montenero US Department Homeland Security, who died trying to save
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  Speaker 2: her own daughter from a fire. Served over sixteen years
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  Speaker 2: with Homeland Security, leaving behind husband now widower, William, and
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  Speaker 2: daughter Elena. American hero Homeland Security Jackie Montenero
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, Goodbye friend,