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2/13/26: Epstein Goldman Sachs Lawyer OUT, "Zohran" of North Carolina Primaries Democrat · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 4: Indeed we do.
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  Speaker 5: Indeed we do.
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  Speaker 3: So we've got more Epstein News, more more of our
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  Speaker 3: you know associates going down today. We've also got US
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  Speaker 3: strangling Cuba, Mexico SENDI Navy ships.
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  Speaker 5: We also have some more Ice.
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  Speaker 3: News with Tom Homan ending the Minneapolis incursion.
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  Speaker 5: What are they calling it? What was it?
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  Speaker 3: The Raider Metro Surge Operation. Metro SERD has completed its
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  Speaker 4: Its insurgeons have been victorious.
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  Speaker 6: That's right, Yes, the battle, the battle has been won.
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  Speaker 3: We've got a little maya couple for me on some
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  Speaker 3: James fishback stuff going down in Florida that I'd love
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  Speaker 3: to talk to Emily about. And we also have don't laugh,
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  Speaker 3: And we also have a congressional candidate, Ryan at ten.
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  Speaker 5: Who do we got?
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  Speaker 7: We got Nita Alam who in twenty twenty two I
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  Speaker 7: covered this race. It was her against Valerie Fouchet. Actually
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  Speaker 7: I think it's Fushi. We'll ask, well, ask Nita. And
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  Speaker 7: Apak threw something like seven plus million dollars into this race.
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  Speaker 7: She was a county commissioner, and it seemed like basically
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  Speaker 7: because she was Muslim, there was some criticism of Israel,
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  Speaker 7: but it seemed like pretty heavily coded, like let's make
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  Speaker 7: sure we don't get any more Muslims into the capitol.
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  Speaker 7: And she lost by something like four thousand votes. After that, Fushi,
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  Speaker 7: Valerie Fushi was critical of Israel like gently a couple
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  Speaker 7: of times, and so the district has been redrawn. It's
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  Speaker 7: actually a little bit more favorable to Nita, who was
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  Speaker 7: more progressive. And if the election like unfolded exactly as
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  Speaker 7: it did in twenty twenty two, Alama actually probably wins
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  Speaker 7: this time. But this time it seems like there's no
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  Speaker 7: APAC support coming for Valerie Fushi because of this very
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  Speaker 7: gentle criticism that she had that she had offered. You know,
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  Speaker 7: when the political tide turning started turning very heavily against
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  Speaker 7: Israel for what it was doing in Gaza.
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  Speaker 4: Last night, a.
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  Speaker 7: Superpack came in in support of Nita alam Drop apparently
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  Speaker 7: dropping five hundred thousand dollars worth of ads supporting her.
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  Speaker 7: We don't know who's funding that, alum. You know, probably
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  Speaker 7: doesn't either. If she does, maybe she'll tell us. But
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  Speaker 7: it's an interesting kind of turn of events because now
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  Speaker 7: APAC might end up losing this seat that they spent
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  Speaker 7: you know, seven million dollars four years ago to win.
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  Speaker 3: It's beautiful and when could you what's this gentle criticism, like, well,
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  Speaker 3: could you give me an example like we have seen.
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  Speaker 7: On the show, because I don't know, stop killing children.
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  Speaker 7: You know, it was like a little nudge in the
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  Speaker 7: right direction. Let's we can, I can look it up.
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  Speaker 5: But it was.
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  Speaker 4: It was very mild, but it was.
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  Speaker 8: It was.
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  Speaker 7: It was eyebrow raising enough because I think she might
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  Speaker 7: have even cast like a vote against one of the
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  Speaker 7: resolutions that APAC wanted everybody to support, which I remember
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  Speaker 7: was eyebrow raising because she had taken the apack. You know,
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  Speaker 7: she'd taken all this a PAC money, and then she
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  Speaker 7: took the APAC trip to Israel and then voted on
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  Speaker 7: something that didn't change anything, but you know, didn't vote
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  Speaker 7: with them on something.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, oh, that's this is interesting. What's going on here?
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  Speaker 7: And apparently APAC not a not very forgiving and and
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  Speaker 7: Fushi has said she will quote will not accept a
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  Speaker 7: PAC money in twenty twenty six. So I think so that,
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  Speaker 7: you know, after taking seven million dollars of it at
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  Speaker 7: throw a superpack four years ago, now she's saying she
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  Speaker 7: won't take it and she might lose as a result.
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  Speaker 7: Bring twenty twenty five, she said, y'all know that I
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  Speaker 7: took the money from a pack, but checked to see
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  Speaker 7: how much I've taken since that time, and check my
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  Speaker 7: voting record to see how I have voted and what
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  Speaker 7: I have voted for as it relates to the people
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  Speaker 7: of Gaza, and she this was in response to somebody
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  Speaker 7: saying if she regretted taking all this money from a
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  Speaker 7: pack and taking this a pack trip and so a
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  Speaker 7: pak did not taken kindly to that.
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  Speaker 6: Mmm.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, well, we'll learn more about that from Nita in
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  Speaker 3: just a little bit excited to hear that. But once again,
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  Speaker 3: we've got a little bit more Epstein news coming down
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  Speaker 3: the pike this morning. Uh In, Goldman Sachs's general counsel,
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  Speaker 3: Kathy Rumler, a former top Obama administration lawyer, is out
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  Speaker 3: at Goldman Sachs after email showed a friendship with the
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  Speaker 3: sex offender Jeffrey Epstein spanning many years now, Ryan has
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  Speaker 3: Kath has.
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  Speaker 5: She shown up in your investigations at all? In your
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  Speaker 5: jmail searches, She's.
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  Speaker 6: In like every email. If you search the inbox, it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: Rumbler's on this one?
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  Speaker 5: Is she BC Seed? On everything?
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  Speaker 4: She was?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, she was general counsel for Obama and so she
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  Speaker 7: was and we've reported this. She so she the Arianda
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  Speaker 7: Rothschild was a clan of one of the firms that
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  Speaker 7: she was with. She was on the ross Child account
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  Speaker 7: She then ended up becoming the kind of the middle
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  Speaker 7: attorney between Epstein and and the.
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  Speaker 4: Roths Child account.
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  Speaker 7: What was known as the Epstein was what was known
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  Speaker 7: as the gatekeeper for the ross for the Arianda Rothschild
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  Speaker 7: account and the Edmund of Rosschild Bank. She's the She's
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  Speaker 7: the first roths Child to run the banking operation who
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  Speaker 7: was not born a Rothschild. She's like born in El Salvador.
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  Speaker 7: Is it central? She's from Central America, married into the
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  Speaker 7: family husband I just died and then shews. She became
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  Speaker 7: boss of this and Epstein and her were very close
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  Speaker 7: and so Rumler managed that operation.
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  Speaker 9: Uh.
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  Speaker 7: He also tried to connect her with Gates Bill Gates.
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  Speaker 7: That didn't pan out as a as a client situation,
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  Speaker 7: but Rumbler helped to then negotiate the settlement between the
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  Speaker 7: ross Child Bank and the US over some corruption and
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  Speaker 7: money laundering. Helped he helped negotiate a settlement between the
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  Speaker 7: Rothschild Bank and Israel over tax tax fights because the
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  Speaker 7: Rothschild banking operations like, we don't owe you anything. We
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  Speaker 7: we literally financed the creation of the state of Israel.
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  Speaker 7: You think, how do we owe you anything? Is was
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  Speaker 7: like no you're a nonprofit and you are supposed to
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  Speaker 7: live up to your nonprofit obligations to fund these education
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  Speaker 7: UH programs and other initiatives, and you're just not doing it.
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  Speaker 7: And so Epstein helped negotiate a settlement around around that.
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  Speaker 7: We have a couple other stories coming about other things
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  Speaker 7: that Epstein and Rumbler Rumler did, which I'll hold for
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  Speaker 7: hold for later, but I guess it just became too
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  Speaker 7: much of a distraction at Goldman with all this.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you know, the the tightness of the relationship.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, this is she's this clo She's a chief
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  Speaker 6: legal officer of one of the biggest and most powerful companies,
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  Speaker 6: one of the most world and they stood by her
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  Speaker 6: over and over again. She is constantly copied on emails.
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  Speaker 6: She's in conversations with Steve Bannon, those conversations that Michael
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  Speaker 6: wolf appears to have leaked. It's Steve Bannon, Jeffrey Epstein,
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  Speaker 6: Michael Wolfe, and Kathy Rumler strategizing about public relations. Essentially,
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  Speaker 6: she was a participant in that. We still don't understand
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  Speaker 6: exactly what was happening in those conversations. She in one email,
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  Speaker 6: brags to Epstein about getting a top award from the
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  Speaker 6: CIA by John Brennan, which is very important because Kathy
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  Speaker 6: Rumler was dispatched when she was GC of the Obama
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  Speaker 6: White House to deal with the fallout from the snowed
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  Speaker 6: in weeks, meaning groups like I would say, the Brennan
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  Speaker 6: Center and the ACLU were concerned about the contents and
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  Speaker 6: Rumbler was the one then dealing with it. There are
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  Speaker 6: calendar invites for Kathy comma NSA signal intelligence between Epstein
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  Speaker 6: and Kathy Rumler are mentions.
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  Speaker 7: Which apparently that's related to our story about Yeah, I
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  Speaker 7: think it is biohacking rather than what people think of
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  Speaker 7: signals intelligence as intercepts of signals. He's using it in
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  Speaker 7: a way I don't quite understand, but it's a reference
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  Speaker 7: to bioengineering and biohacking rather than intercepting.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway.
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  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, no, I think that's he's what sounds like
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  Speaker 6: is he's thinking of code breaking. And he would be
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  Speaker 6: asked by one person the genome ya right, yeah, and
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  Speaker 6: someone would say what are you talking about? Hackers are
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  Speaker 6: code breakers? And he would say code breakers. So anyway,
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  Speaker 6: we don't fully understand the complete picture of what Kathy
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  Speaker 6: Rumler was doing. With Jeffrey Epstein. She was getting lavish
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  Speaker 6: gifts from him and referring to him as uncle Jeffrey.
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  Speaker 6: Very disgusting by the way, referring to him as uncle
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  Speaker 6: Jeffrey when he would shower gifts on her. She did
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  Speaker 6: go to the island. He was giving her all kinds
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  Speaker 6: of fancy stuf and keeping her around very clearly. They
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  Speaker 6: talked about her romantic situation together. He said he wanted
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  Speaker 6: to see her DC one day, her version of DC
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  Speaker 6: one day, CIA NSA. So still don't fully understand what
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  Speaker 6: that means. Some people have said it means that Epstein
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  Speaker 6: wasn't CIA, or wasn't NSA, didn't have any connection with
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  Speaker 6: the intelligence agencies. I don't know that you can jump
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  Speaker 6: to that because we don't know what he told Kathy
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  Speaker 6: Rumbler and what kind of game he was playing overall.
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  Speaker 6: But it's Goldman stood by Kathy Rumler for years. This
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  Speaker 6: has been dogging her for years, and the emails made
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  Speaker 6: it untenable because she was clearly, so intimately intimately connected
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  Speaker 6: with Jeffrey I've seen sharing her innermost thoughts and secrets
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  Speaker 6: about her romance life.
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  Speaker 7: She was a.
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  Speaker 6: Participant in these big picture schemes, as dropsite has reported
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  Speaker 6: and as Ryan has been all over, so it would
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  Speaker 6: be absurd to keep kat Rummler on. It was already
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  Speaker 6: absurd enough, but this took down the clo of one
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  Speaker 6: of the most powerful companies in the world.
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  Speaker 7: So I think I think the legal world and SAX
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  Speaker 7: in particular, stuck Buyer partly because everything she knows, but
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  Speaker 7: also lawyers are loath to ever and for good reason,
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  Speaker 7: blame the lawyers for the client's behavior. If you do that,
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  Speaker 7: every every defense attorney is then associated with the depravity
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  Speaker 7: and criminality of whatever defendant, whether they're a murder or
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  Speaker 7: a pedophile or you know, politician, And so they want
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  Speaker 7: to draw a bright line that like look, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 7: a lawyer is giving legal advice and is not morally
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  Speaker 7: or ethically culpable for the behavior of the client.
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  Speaker 4: Otherwise, though she.
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  Speaker 5: Was asking for dating advice from Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Speaker 7: And so these emails getting leaked in like with that,
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  Speaker 7: with that boundary being so heavily blurred with some of
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  Speaker 7: those emails, then I think that's why they're finally like, okay,
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  Speaker 7: we we gotta, we gotta throw her overboard.
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  Speaker 3: Why are so many people asking for relationship advice from
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  Speaker 3: like a known predator and like, Oh, that's the guy
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  Speaker 3: who's gonna help me with my date.
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  Speaker 6: It does keep coming up over and over again from
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  Speaker 6: women and.
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  Speaker 5: Men, so very bizarre.
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  Speaker 6: It's all over. I don't know if rain you've seen
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  Speaker 6: a lot of this, but I just like going through
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  Speaker 6: you know, someone that's not newsworthy, but you're looking at
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  Speaker 6: like why is this person pouring out their heart over emails?
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  Speaker 6: Larry Summer's great example.
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  Speaker 3: So she's stepping down to her going back to a
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  Speaker 3: private life, to her whatever five houses or whatever she's got.
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  Speaker 3: Is there any like legal potential here to charge her
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  Speaker 3: with anything or is this kind of like what you're
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  Speaker 3: saying where a she has that sort of loyally defense.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, so so far, like she's just now it
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  Speaker 7: sounds like they had a friendship and in a business relationship,
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  Speaker 7: And if she's not involved with trafficking or aware of it,
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  Speaker 7: there's no reason Like if you're a Jeffrey Epstein, you're
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  Speaker 7: not going to tell your like Goldman Sachs level lawyer
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  Speaker 7: about your trafficking.
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  Speaker 4: Like that's like.
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  Speaker 7: You've got shadier people that you're going to I think
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  Speaker 7: like loop in on that well.
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  Speaker 6: In fact, like what they were working on in those
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  Speaker 6: PR sessions, like these PR bull sessions, was he was
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  Speaker 6: maintaining this was a witch hunt and they were helping him.
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  Speaker 6: So maybe they genuinely believed him, or maybe they just
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  Speaker 6: wanted the money. But that's a question that Steve Bannon
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  Speaker 6: is going to get as well, because he wasn't just
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  Speaker 6: documenting Epstein. He was actively actively participating in a strategy
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  Speaker 6: and this isn't their text as well, and a strategy effort.
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  Speaker 7: Cultural context is useful to remember too. By twenty not eighteen,
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  Speaker 7: twenty nineteen, this is the the height and the crest
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  Speaker 7: and then the downside of me too. People in the
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  Speaker 7: Upper east Side, the powerful people in the Upper east
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  Speaker 7: Side at that point were sick of me too, like
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  Speaker 7: they were like they were done with it because they
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  Speaker 7: saw it as this mob democratic check.
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  Speaker 4: On on their power like that.
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  Speaker 7: The Upper east Side set like they want to call
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  Speaker 7: the shots of who gets to be in and who
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  Speaker 7: gets to be out, not public anger.
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  Speaker 6: Not the shitty medium men list, not that, not.
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  Speaker 7: That medium men list. They don't want anything other than
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  Speaker 7: themselves to dictate who gets to be in the rooms.
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  Speaker 7: And so by this point in time, those elites are
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  Speaker 7: completely fed up with this, uh, with this, with this
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  Speaker 7: moment in time, and so they were I think probably
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  Speaker 7: willing to defend all right, Harvey Weinstein. We threw him overboard.
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  Speaker 7: They were starting to circle the wagons.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, bias ease because.
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  Speaker 7: They because they they they look at that and they're like,
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  Speaker 7: they can see where this goes, Like wait a minute,
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  Speaker 7: public anger at what we're doing. Okay, right now, it's
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  Speaker 7: what we're doing to women, but it could evolve into
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  Speaker 7: what we're doing to workers, you know, what we're what
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  Speaker 7: we're doing to the country, what we're doing to you know, children,
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  Speaker 7: And and the way that there were producing anxiety and
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  Speaker 7: across the board. And if people get anger and that
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  Speaker 7: anger can translate into accountability and consequences, that's that's not
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  Speaker 7: good for us. And so they started to have some
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  Speaker 7: class solidarity, and so I think that their defense of
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  Speaker 7: him has to be understood also in that in that
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  Speaker 7: growing class solidarity, which is like frankly inspiring, Like if
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  Speaker 7: if the workers of the country had the level of
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  Speaker 7: class solidarity that they have, it would be over for them.
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  Speaker 3: Ms lessons to learn for the proletariat. And now speaking
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  Speaker 3: of this elite class solidarity. Jmail has put together this
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  Speaker 3: really handy graphic that I wanted to put up screen
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  Speaker 3: right now.
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  Speaker 5: They worked with the.
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  Speaker 3: Economist to analyze one point four million emails from the
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  Speaker 3: latest Epstein foul drops and this kind of shows the
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  Speaker 3: different sectors that we've seen so far from top five
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  Speaker 3: hundred Epstein correspondence. Now if you're just listening on podcasts,
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  Speaker 3: it's broken out into kind of these squares. We've got,
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  Speaker 3: you know, finance, media, entertainment, tech, law, real estate, business, politics,
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  Speaker 3: academia and of course girlfriends, slash x's and yeah, just
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  Speaker 3: looking at this on a grid is just kind of shocking.
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  Speaker 4: It is.
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  Speaker 7: There's also and this is not shaded Jmail. It's more
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  Speaker 7: the Economist because I love Jmail. We're working with them
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  Speaker 7: on building this product. But good to have some countries
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  Speaker 7: in there too, you know, for sure that might be
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  Speaker 7: a second Grochia Africa not or you break it down
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  Speaker 7: every coast Nigeria, you know, like that would be that
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  Speaker 7: would be interesting just to just to kind of have
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  Speaker 7: a heat map of the globe to show that the
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  Speaker 7: way that power and wealth are flowing around the globe.
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  Speaker 4: But well, maybe I'll talk to them. We'll do that
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  Speaker 4: one next.
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  Speaker 6: That's a good drop site thing. Could you put that
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  Speaker 6: back up on the screen actor screen? Actually, because there's
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  Speaker 6: a really important number while we're talking about Kathy Rummler.
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  Speaker 6: If you if you look at that graphic girlfriend slash
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  Speaker 6: X's one of them has forty one thousand emails. That's crazy.
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  Speaker 6: That looks to me like it's the highest number of
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  Speaker 6: emails on the chart. But Gallaine Maxwell's at ten thousand,
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  Speaker 6: Kathy Rumbler is over eleven thousand, and Kathy Rumler wasn't
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  Speaker 6: even introduced to Epstein until later in this time in
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  Speaker 6: this timeline, so right, like a lot of the Gallain
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  Speaker 6: emails go back to like two thousand and five, but
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  Speaker 6: it seems like they didn't meet until twenty fifteen as
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  Speaker 6: far as we can tell. So the sheer volume of
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  Speaker 6: messages back and forth, I mean, look at Deepak Chropra
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  Speaker 6: fifty three hundred. As you're going through the inbox, you
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  Speaker 6: do see just the patterns of his communication, and I
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  Speaker 6: think it's just that number when you're looking at all
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  Speaker 6: these other important people that he was talking to all
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  Speaker 6: the time, and then you see Rumbler at eleven thousand
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  Speaker 6: emails in a matter of like four years. That should
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  Speaker 6: tell you something about why Goldmantzach suddenly got very nervous.
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  Speaker 6: The only other thing I wanted to add about Rumbler
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  Speaker 6: is that clearly if she's getting behind the scenes Cia
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  Speaker 6: Medal and has implied to him in somewhay or the
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: other that she's involved with NSSAY. And we know she
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: was involved with the fallout from the snowed and leaks,
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: so it makes sense. Also she was White House General counsel,
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: she might have felt confident about some level of immunity
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: formal or otherwise.
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and also yeah, absolutely, and also like if I
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: were going to be her, like if I were going
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: to defend her on this, Yes, is like a world
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: historical villain at this point, as we understand it, at Golds,
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: at Goldman Sackson, at the top law level, everyone you're
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: defending is a world historical villain. Like these are all
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: bad people. So like from herbicyclem She's like, wait a minute,
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: all of a sudden, like I can't like work with
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: bad people, Like do you understand the like occupation that
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: I'm in, Like this is a social scene where you
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: look around and you've got you know, Henry Kissinger over here,
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: you got.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Like you.
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, all in the same room, literally, in the same
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: at the same parties, like these are all of the
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: villains and oh isn't that isn't that like a current dictator.
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: Oh that's a former dictator, like he ran death squads
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: financed by us.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Like so you're supposed to look around this room and
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: be like, oh, but that.
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: Guy is off limits, Like they're all rotten, and it's
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: it's just kind of bad luck that for her that
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: this is the one that got plucked out and was like, oh, actually,
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: it turns out you're right at the center of this
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: sex global sex trafficking scheme.
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: Uh.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: And so.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: I suppose it's also possible she was a handler or something.
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: I don't know. It's it's hard to hard to figure
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: any of that out.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: I like Ryan's defense. Ryan, you have a future at Goldman, so.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: There's a there's a big opening, so you're his days
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: are numbered for the Friday shows. But we have more
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: from Rocanna. This came from Rocanna yesterday. This is a
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: new email that was redacted. Rocanna says, I saw this
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: email at d OJ today. This is a political figure
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: who shouldn't have been redacted. It's a direct violation of Rep.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Thomas Massey and my Epstein file is Transparency Act. And
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: I'll read a little bit of the email. Very this
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: is a very interesting So this is to Jeffrey Epstein.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Uh subject, I beat Bush? Hi, Jeffrey, I got more
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: votes than Jeb Bush in Iowa and I only had
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: one congressional district.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: He had four. It's so funny to me, totally embarrassing
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: to him. Still like Trump and might be a delegate
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: to the Republican Convention. Was in Saint Thomas for a
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: couple of days. Did call this island but never heard back.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: When scuba diving off Saint jeff and it was beautiful.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: Would be totally funny to me, at least if you
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: put a big fake shark or statue under the water
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: where the divers go, love youa redacted loveya.
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: So the Internet's assessment is that this is Marco Ruby,
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: and I'm just joking that it's gwendolen Beck, twenty fourteen
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: congressional candidate. And Todd blanche is saying that they that
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: Rocan is wrong and that the person counts as a victim.
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: But this gets into a very dicey territory because you
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: know that they've tried to call you know, no, they
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: called Scaramuccia victim, like they redacted Scaramucci's Like what what
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: was tell us about the much's victimization?
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Like what's going on?
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Fraud?
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: Is that their argument? Fraud?
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: Don So.
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: What was what was Beck involved with? Like that's that
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: we want to like, how is she a victim? Like
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: there's no evidence that she is a victim here? So
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: why are you redacting your name? You can't can't just
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: redact every woman's name?
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: Who's in here?
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: Tell us?
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: What's that?
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: Tell us who she is?
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Why we're a this?
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: She ran for Congress and she's close with Epstein clearly,
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: so what like what what was her role?
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Like, what's going on here?
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: Just a Republican because this was it was sent the
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: day after the Iowa Yes.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: Seen February twenty sixteen.
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, so she was a she was a Gwendolen
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: Beck uh independent, she was an independent.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: Hitting all quadrants here.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Well, you know she got there and twenty votes as
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: an independent.
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: Very incredible to be Jeb. That's a huge accomplishment. I
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: too would be bragging to all my billionaire friends and.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: She only ran yeah, right in Virginia's eighth district.
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: It was for a second, it did, before all of
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: this came to light. It was like, okay, so try
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: to figure out I was asking ai, which Republican candidate
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: in twenty sixteen has posted about scuba diving before. Obviously
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: it wasn't Chris Christie. It wasn't. It didn't seem to
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: me like it would be Ted Cruz. So it was
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: a little bit of a mystery. It felt like Agatha
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: Christie for a while.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, who left the scuba gear at the Epstein Island?
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: So uh Epstein clue, oh.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah and Epstein, yeah that one.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, now, Emily, you mentioned Steve Bannon earlier, and a
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: new Steve Bannon thing came across my desk, and I
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: don't know if you've seen this one, but I wanted
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: you to react to it. Here this person says that
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Steve Bannon's war room was Jeffrey Epstein's idea so that
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Steve could avoid registering under FARA, a Bannon friend of
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: the pod. So here in this it says Steve Bannon
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: says excellent. Then there's redacted name says Yorgy Schwartz real
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: name of George Soros was careful not to register under
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: FARA NGOs were carefully structured. My reading is that you
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: can form a media company and make the umbrella exemption.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Steve Bannon says on it, then redacted says the media
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: co has lots of advantages, source privilege, etc.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: So, Emily, what do you make of this?
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: Well, first of all, this was like one of the
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: only times I've looked at an Epstein piece of advice
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: and been like, well, I guess people, we're actually getting
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: decent guidance from him, because that's quite a loophole that
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: Epstein was steering step Bann into it. Now, I don't
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: think that necessarily means war Room itself is a creation.
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: My understanding of Steve Bannon is that he's had a
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: lot of companies over the years and is one of
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: those people that manages different things.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, although he didn't create Brightbarton, it wasn't like his
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: own thing, but yeah, he had I think he had
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: a film company called like Victory Films, and he's had well,
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: I don't know if he created a separate entity where
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: he was getting, for example, money from his sources in
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: the kind of populist right in Europe. And I don't
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: know the date on this. I meant to look it
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: up last night. But maybe he was. He was getting money,
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: and then maybe that's a pastor entity to war war Room,
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: or maybe it's just a separate entity where he's taking
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: money from these people and then it goes into war Room,
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: and maybe potentially maybe he never created this media company
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: that Jeffrey Epstein was referring to, and war Room is
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: like some I don't know how it's formally incorporated. It
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: could be different. But Bannon is Boy, does this man
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: have a lot to answer for, because these messages are
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: strategies to help Epstein, to coordinate with Epstein, to have
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: Epstein help him to infiltrate the Trump circle. There's a
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: point where they're going back and forth over whether Bannon
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: should try to bring Jared Kushner into the kind of
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: populist world. And Bannon and Kushner have always been at
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: each other's throats, so Epstein is like encouraging him to
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: get in with Kushner, which is interesting for UAE purposes.
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: So this is just it. It's there are a million
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: pieces of this puzzle. I actually don't even know how
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: many pieces there are to this puzzle. I just know
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: that there's a million of them on the ground, and
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: none of them look particularly good for State Bannon.
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and it seems like Bannon is using Epstein to
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: try to get leverage over Trump, like he feels burned,
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: you know, the Trump world better, but feels burned by
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: getting pushed out of the White House.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: He wants to kind of be.
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: The guy who is the you know, colonel of the
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: Maga army on the on the outside, and he's there's
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: some one very revealing message where Bannon says something like Trump,
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: you know, keeps Trump up at night, knowing, knowing that
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: we're so close to each other, which is not true
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: because Trump doesn't sleep, so nothing keeps him up at nights.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Just up.
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: He's just TV keeps him up at night, up at night.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Keeps him up.
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: But clearly what he like, he's getting inside and information
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: about Trump that that he feels like he can use
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: his leverage against Trump at that point to like lidify
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: his position in the Maga world. The fact that he's
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: maintained a position in the Maga world despite that knowledge
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: being out there is kind of wild. Like you would
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: think you get caught doing that, A proper mob boss
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: is like, Bannon, how could you do this to me?
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: Like you're you're gone, but no, like, which I think
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: speaks to his significant grassroots support that remains. He is,
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: like he has an independent power base at this point.
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: He is somebody who Ryan you probably listen to more
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: warroom than I do. When he's somebody who, over the
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: years will if there's an issue up in the air
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: and people like I don't know which way MAGA is
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: going to come down on this, Steve Bannon has the
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: pulse of the sort of people who are going to
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: go to Trump rallies, or maybe people don't even have
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: enough money to go to Trump rallies. Like the hardcore
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: grassroots populist MAGA. Steve Bannon just instinctively under stands and
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: to some extent, I think he understands it better than
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: almost anyone, with the exception of Donald Trump, who has
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: other concerns. You know, he knows he can shoot someone
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: on Fifth Avenue and the BASI is going to so
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: like when it comes down to economic populism, nat sek,
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: foreign policy, all of that. Steve Bannon, because he is
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: from Bright bar tea party world, and he's like an
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: ideological he's ideologically aligned with that world. He's able to
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: be the real like Mago Whisperer. And so what it
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: looks like he was trying to do is use other
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: very powerful wealthy people to consolidate the power of the grassroots,
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: to be as powerful as like to be a Maga
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: general in a way where he could direct behind the
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: scenes no matter what Trump was doing.
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: And speaking of the financial precarity of his audience, have
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: you noticed what kind of ads the band show plays.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: On the war room?
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: Mostly no gold credit, plenty of gold credit card, debt consolidation.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you have tax bills that are way overdue.
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: You need to fight the I R S. Sulfuric acid
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: and then of course get Her, which I think to
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: this day is still advertising that you can get Charlie
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: Kirk's thoughts if you download the Getter apps.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Put a new ad in there.
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: Guys, just record another one.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I.
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: Think you're talking about silver solution Griffin, not sulfurc acid.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Well, what did they shift to the island. What do
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: they burned the bodies furic acid?
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: Oh they did. Oh, I thought you were talking about
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: like cringe ad on.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: I was talking about the gallons they sent, uh you
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: know what they what they put in the tub, and
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: like breaking bad to burn the body.
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: There you go, there you go.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Well, I just want to say I wanted to move
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: on to Cuba next, but I did just want to say,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: we're going to keep uncovering all the intricate details of
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: this and this weekend I really came to appreciate, uh,
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: the work that it happens on this show and from
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: drop Site, because we were at a media event over
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: the weekend with people that kind of imbibe a little
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: bit more of the mainstream coverage of the Epstein. And
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: when I talked to people at our at our media
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: table that Epstein potentially was associated with Massad and former
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: PM who Barack, people looked at me like I was
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: fucking insane, which goes to show you there's really two
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: there's kind of two narratives kind of happening. One that's
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: very surface level in the mainstream media, and one where
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: you're going to get a lot more of the details
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: and paint a much broader and filled in picture at
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: places like Dropsite and what we try to do here.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: So I was proud of the show, and very embarrassed
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: at dinner because people thought I was crazy.
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: I was trying to think this morning, like if if
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: we weren't doing the work that we're doing, like what
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: the media landscape would look like when it would when
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: it came to the coverage of Jeffrey Epstein. Not that
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: we are remotely the first one to go down this path,
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: like Whitney Webb has done terrific work on this for
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: many years at this point, and plenty of you know,
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: plenty of others in the like independent space have done it,
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: but among those who are kind of read in the
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: and viewed and with a mass audience. Because if you
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: wanted to tell your aunt or your uncle, no, no, seriously,
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: there's something to this, go read this ex news article
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: or go watch this video that lays it out without
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: breaking points of drops. I'd be like, what exactly would
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: you send them that they would be able to read
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: and be like, oh, okay, this is credible and I
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: understand this. Twitter threads, Yeah, you know, nobody wants Twitter
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: threads like, especially Twitter, like the way that they're putting
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: this stuff out. Yeah, it's not good, and people screenshot
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: it and that then it's disaggregated from the source, and
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: then people make fake ones and like, and now DJ
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: has taken down like most stuff, Like they've taken down
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: a ton of zip files just in the last like
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: twenty four hours. So right now you basically have to
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: go to either jmail or Distributed den Aisle of Secrets
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: to see to get like the actual files, Like you
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: can't even go to doj for a lot of it
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: anymore to prove that it's real.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: So mess and just like offering any of the details
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: from these shows at your at your dinner table, at
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: your social function, they're almost designed to make you sound
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: like a nut, right, yeah, like the way that if
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: you were to talk about these details, so you know,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: to the audience, we've been considering doing a long form
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: like three four hour entire you know, encapsulation of everything
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: we've learned about the Epstein thing, and maybe that can
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: be a resource for you to share it to your
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: friends and family so you can look a little less
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: like a kook. So if you think that's a good idea,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: let us know in the comments, And we're heavily considering that.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: But that will bring us to our next topic, Ryan,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: which is Cuba.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: What's going on with Cuba right now?
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: We're strangling the island and it seems like the administration
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: is kind of panicking a little bit. I wanted to
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: put this up on screen. Several sources tell the Economists
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: the United States is considering sending small quantities of fuel
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: to the island, gas for cooking and diesel to keep
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: water infrastructure running. Rubio could easily end up as the
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: public face of an induced humanitarian crisis.
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: It's really eerie how quickly and seamlessly the US moved
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: Gaza policy over to Cuba. Like, in fact, they are
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: still withholding the humanitarian aid life essentials from Gaza. Like
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: they're supposed to be letting in six hundred trucks a
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: day into Gaza as part of this quote unquote ceasefire,
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: and they're also supposed to stop killing Palestinians. They've done
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: neither of those things. They're still restricting aid. They won't
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: even let like new tents in, Like the people living
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: in tents that are now like two years old and
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: completely destroyed from from the weather. The conditions are absolutely unspeakable.
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: There's like a there's a there's like this fierce like
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: respiratory illness that is like rocking through the Godza strip
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: at this point, and they haven't even ended that before.
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: They now replicate a version of it over in Cuba
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: and cut off everything and then become the the power center.
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: That's going to like, that's going to loosen the chokehold
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: a little bit. So like first first you choke them
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: completely to the brink of death, some people to death.
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: If you look at uh, child cancer cancer fatality rates
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: in Cuba, because we're not allowing in the equipment and
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: the supplies that you need to treat cancer, children are
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: dying of cancer at a much higher rate than they
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: were pretty so we're already killing people in the most
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: torturous kind of gruesome way. But now what they're suggesting
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: is uh oh, because somebody just posted an aerial photo
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: the island's like almost completely black. They're like, oh, we
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: are going to induce like a humanitarian crisis for these
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: nine million people that used to be like twelve or
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: so before Biden and Trump smashed the population down to nine.
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: That is going to be horrific. And we and like
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: with the healthy.
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: Assist from the Cuban government that was beating something.
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: And it's like, okay, Israel was like October seventh, October seventh,
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: October seventh, what did Cuba do? What on earth are
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: you doing to Cuba for why? Like did Cuba do?
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: Like nineteen fifty nine, like really like and it's also
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: so crazy to be like to just have finished and
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: we're not even finished. But over in Israel, it's like
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: nineteen forty eight. They talk about it a lot, and
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: the Israelis will say it's over, forget about it.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Nine forty it happened.
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: There's no right of return, like we're a state, now,
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: get over it, Like we're now the state of Israel.
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: We have a right to defend ourselves. We have a
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: right to exist. Anybody who is bringing up nineteen forty
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: eight is insane now over here like no, nineteen fifty nine,
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: eleven years later, that somehow is a reason to starve
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: millions of people in twenty twenty six, like can we
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: even can we get an ounce of consistency in our
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: in our like barbaric behavior toward toward people apparently not so?
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: Putting the US in the position of loosening the chokehold
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: then gives them this power over life and death in Cuba,
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: and the idea is, and you had my camera as
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: a diplomat in Cuba going around like door to door
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: handing out supplies. So like you starve everybody and you
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: hand out a little bit of stuff that gives you
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: control over their lives.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: And then the idea is then you can then replace.
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: You become government effectively, like if you're the one that's
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: keeping people alive, you are the government. So it's like
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: a it's like a regime replacement, subtle regime replacement without
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: doing the just don't let them, don't even worry about
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: them collapsing, like, just completely starve them, and then what
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: are they at that point?
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: And Emily, what's the conservative perspective on this? You know,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: is is there like a threat from the Cuban government?
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is ninety miles off the shore of America. Like,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: what is the conservative perspective on the need to do
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: regime change in Cuba?
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I don't agree with the policy prescription,
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: but one of the places where Ryan and I probably
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: disagree is that the Cold War rationale for taking Cuba
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: extremely seriously as a threat is that it's obviously right
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: for the picking of a hostile foreign actor to you know,
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: launch surveillance operations, potentially nuclear weapons and other types of
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: weapons like missiles, all those types of things when you're
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: so close to the United States and there have been
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: incursions or there have been efforts from places like China,
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: obviously still Russia, maybe a little Iran. But who knows
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: what to believe because all of this is from, you know, propaganda.
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: You don't totally know what's propaganda and what's not. But
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: the potential for it to be co opted by a
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: hostile foreign actor is there. And obviously the Cuban government
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: works heavily with other countries that haven't been friendly with
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: the United States for various reasons. I'm not saying it's
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: all just because they're you know, they're they're inherently bad
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: people and we we're just perfectly innocent. But Cuba has
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: a government. I think it's a little bit on like
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: Gaza in that respect that like they do have a government,
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: they have government infrastructure. Yes, it's true the blocka it
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: has been very problematic for them, but I think it's
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: also that they bear some of the blame. That said, Conservatives,
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: in my mind, are wrong to continue this policy of
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: just blockading starving, trying to do what Kissinger said to
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: Nixon about Allende and what nineteen seventy three make the
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: economy screen, and then you'll be able to do your
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: regime change. Has not worked in Cuba for decades, is
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: not currently working in Iran either. I mean, we'll see
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: what happens. But to keep recycling that playbook when you have,
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: especially a country like Cuba that is right off of
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: your coast and that you now have a significant amount
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: of leverage over and could genuinely try to thaw the
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: relationship with in a way that is better for everyone,
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: is better for the Malnur's children, who if you don't
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: want kids like let's just say you're the most conservative
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: person in the world, and you don't want kids starving
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: under socialism, that's what you see happening in Cuban. You
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: don't want that to happen anymore. There's actually a better way.
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: There's actually a better way. There's actually a better way.
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: The United States has relationships with all kinds of different
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: countries that have all kinds of different governments, And if
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: you want to stop suffering in Cuba, you at some
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: point probably can do that. And now is a great
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: time actually to do that because of the amount of
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: leverage that exists. So to just act like this is
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: a stand against socialism is obviously absurd. And right now
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: there's a pathway to ending suffering or alleviating suffering that's
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: better for both the United States and for the people
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: of Cuba. I know a lot of conservatives disagree with that.
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: But if if Venezuela is any example, if you want
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: to take the Trump playbook and you want to recycle that,
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: there might be some way whatever it looks like if
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: you're conservative. So that's something they think about.
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the Cubans have said they'll what do you want
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: to negotiate, democracy, human rights, direct foreign investment, tourism, like
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: what like we're put it on the table, let's talk.
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: It is very true what Emily said that the conservative
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: argument is that Cuba is some sort of a threat.
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: I feel like that's rooted in this like nineteen sixties
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: seventies understanding of Cuba. If you look if you look
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: at say drug in addiction and migration, like the country
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: that is the most helpful to the United States than
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: any other country in the hemisphere is Cuba when it
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: particularly when it comes to drug in addiction, like now
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: it's cut off right now because the US is trying
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: to destroy them. But they have said any any moment
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: that you want to get back to doing drug in
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: addiction in normal way, like where we go up to
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: the boat and like search it and then if it's
• 42:47
  Speaker 7: not carrying drugs, we let it go rather than execute
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: them from the sky.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: We're happy, We're happy to do it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: They're like, we don't believe in executing people from the
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: sky on a suspicion. But there's like, any moment you
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: want to go back to this drug in a and
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: you know, Cuba's well positioned to do this counter narcotics
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: work that they've been doing with the US for many years.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: I think people don't really understand.
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: That that's but that's like the US government will say
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: that out loud, like that nobody has been a better
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: partner on countering drug trafficking than Cuba. So but then
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: you get this nineteen seventies sixties era Cuban misuspisis thing.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: It's like, wow, we have to nuke them.
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: Well, I was going to ask, actually, like if there's
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: anybody so if people are wondering why this seems so
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: mad It's similarly with Venezuela. It's that you have people
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: who have poured decades of their life since the Cold
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: War into these movements and are sort of stuck. They
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: would just be ad money like yeah, exactly, yeah.
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: The year of building an industry toward this, and you
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: get shouldn't be surprised, Yeah, you.
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: Get stuck in this loop, which is that you have
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: dedicated so much to the ideological goal of total incomplete
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: regime change that, like the Bay of Pigs, at some
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: point there are enough Cubans to rise up and obviously
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: didn't work done, but there are enough Cubans will rise
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: up top of the regime and bring back the next
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: Batista and everything will be great and happy. But if
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: ever there was somebody who could break that pattern and
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: shock people out of the loop, it's Trump. I mean,
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: look at what they did in Venezuela. It's a little
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: baby step in a better direction by well, I don't
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: know if it'll be better or not, but by keeping
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: Delcia Rodriguez like a direction that was not what the
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: hardcore Hawks wanted to have happened. So anyone could like
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: shake people out of this loop where Cuba is still
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: nineteen sixty. I think on principle, it's still very important
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: that you don't have China getting a foothold in Cuba.
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: That's obviously true. But if anyone could shake people out
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: of the idea that squeezing their economy and their people
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: is the way to prevent China from getting a foothold
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: in Cuba, it would be Donald Trump. So the time
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: is ripe.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: And what is Rubio's end goal here?
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: The article seems to state that Rubio is getting nervous
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: that he's going to be the face of a humanitarian crisis,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: but this does seem to be exactly what he's wanted
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: for a really long time. And maybe you disagree, but
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: is the is the end stage goal here to strangle
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: the island until it becomes like a US colony or.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: What is like the file goal here?
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he said a couple of weeks ago, we want
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: to see the regime fall because like that's not exactly
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: our what we're doing, but like we would love to
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: see that. He would love to see that, and he'd
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: love to see it replaced by some Boo Kelly like
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: right wing figure.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Right and now they're just like just like Gaza history
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: repeating itself. There is a flotilla being planned to break
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: the siege, much like there was a flotilla going to Gaza. Now,
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: what are the chances that this flotilla will have a
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: better chance at actually getting to Cuba or will it
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: just be like the idea where where America swoops in
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: and stops them in the ocean, Like what.
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: Is the what does that look like?
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: The problem is that like Gaza needed the things that
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: the flotilla was bringing, Now they need a lot more
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: than the flotilla was bringing, but that was real the
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: kinds of things they needed. What Cuba needs is fuel
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: and so unless the flotillas can bring oil tankers, it's good.
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: And it's nice to bring lentils and and beans and
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: you know.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: With yeah, it's yeah.
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: It's an island, like you're gonna like people are cooking
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: with wood, Like you're going to completely DeForest that island
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: in a short amount of time, and deforestation is insanely
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: difficult to overcome, and then you start getting mud slides
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: and like like if you look at Haiti from the air,
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: you know it's completely deforested on the Haitian side because
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: of this, and it's and you look at the other side.
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: You know, it's green, so good, you know it's good
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: to raise awareness and like put political pressure, but they
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: need fuel, all.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Right, Well that will lead us to our congressional candidate.
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: Last update from Newsside, Russia has basically said they're not
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: going to challenge the US and bring fuel.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: Mexico has capitulated.
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: China is the only one that is saying they're still
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: going to send as much fuel as they can, so
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: we'll see what kind of conflict that brings. China is
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: also bringing solar panels, and they've tried to accelerate accelerate
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: the installation of these solar panels. I think they're now
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: up to twenty percent of energy from renewables and solar.
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: So when in solar, so it's nowhere near enough and
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: you can't do it fast enough. You need fuel to
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: like power this through the transition. But so that's the
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: that's the state of play. China is like the only
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: one saying they're going to have we'll see what they
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: actually end up doing.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I read that the Mexican Navy sent two boats with
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: some supplies. I'm not sure if there was.
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: Any rentals beans, like right, not oil.
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: They don't want to be. Yeah, I mean this is Mexico, Ryan,
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: kirct me if around. Mexico is the largest supplier of
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: fuel to Cuba, and so that's a really, really significant
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: consequence of the American Empire. Honestly.
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: Yep, all right, Ryan, who do we got coming up next?
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: Well? I got Nita Alam can it for a house
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: in North Carolina running against Valerie Fushi.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: She here, I shall be here in just a moment.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: We'll just wait for her at this point, and.
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: Ryan, maybe you can while we wait tee it up.
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: I know we talked about this at the beginning of
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: the episode, but give us some of the backstory in
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: case people are just tuning in for this part about
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: why we're talking in today.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: So, Nina Lamps is from Dorham County. She was a
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: Dorham County commissioner. The way she got into politics though
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: that some of her friends were the victims of very
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: high profile hate crimes in Dorham Dorham County, and that
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: inspired her to say, I'm going I want to get
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: into public office, and she became this Durham County commissioner
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: and then in twenty twenty two ran for Congress. Was
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: very popular locally and was expected to win that race,
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: and instead APAK came in through their superpack, spending more
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: than two million dollars to try to tear her down
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: and lift up a rival candidate, Valerie Fushi. Fushi ended
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: up winning by something like four thousand votes, and so
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: has been a member of Congress now for a couple
• 49:53
  Speaker 7: of terms. Fushi though, so this is twenty twenty two,
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: you know, So it's January of twenty twenty three is
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: when Food she has sworn in, the combination of anger
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: from her constituents at having gotten in on the back
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: of all this a PAC money, combined with what Israel
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: did after October seventh, twenty twenty three, led her to
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: be a little bit more, a little bit critical of
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: Israel and probably more critical. And she also took it
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: like an APAC funded tript Yahoo like the whole did
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: the whole thing.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: So she was.
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: Probably more critical of Israel than anybody else elected with
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: two million, at least two million dollars of a PAC money.
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: So it's not as if she was out there joining
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: the squad or joining others in like denouncing in a
• 50:45
  Speaker 7: really you know, confident way, what Israel was doing, but
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: raising real questions about what they were up to. And
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: then in twenty twenty five spring she set it a
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: town hall. She's like, I'm not taking a PAC money
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: and that and implied that she she had like she
• 51:00
  Speaker 7: was asked if she had regrets about it, she said, yes,
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: I took a PAC money at the time, but I'm
• 51:06
  Speaker 7: not going to take it again, you know, so I
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: want you to trust me when on that score. And
• 51:12
  Speaker 7: so now Alam is running against her again and so
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: it looks like she's not going to have the APAC
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: support and they end up losing her seat, which you
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: know it it creates complicated politics around it because you
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: do want people, right when they get in office to
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: break with a pack so that they can so that
• 51:36
  Speaker 7: they can you know, present their their own vision, like
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: whatever they think that you should do and whatever their
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: voters want them to do, Like that's what they should
• 51:45
  Speaker 7: be doing, not like what a special interest is telling
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: them to do. You do that, that's that's better for
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: democracy than doing what a super PAC tells you to do.
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: And we've got it right here Ryan, by the way.
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, on the other hand, she came in with two
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: plus billion dollars of a PAC money and ni Alam
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: is a you know, much more progressive candidate in the race,
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: not just when it comes to Israel Palestine.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: And she's about to get on the stage in just
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: a few minutes to a rally with Bernie Sanders, and
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: she so graciously offered to join right before that rally.
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: Let's welcome her to the show.
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: Hi, how are you welcome to Breaking Points?
• 52:27
  Speaker 10: Yes, I'm good, Thanks so much for having me.
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: So where's the where's the Bernie rally? Is it going
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: to be live streams? Can people watch it?
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 52:36
  Speaker 10: So it's going to be on the Bernie's live stream.
• 52:40
  Speaker 10: I think we're also going to be cross posting it,
• 52:42
  Speaker 10: but we're having it at the Convention Center in downtown Durham.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: So I don't know if you were able to hear
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: the intro as you're as you're awaiting, but it looks
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: like Valerie Fushi is probably not going to get at
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: least a pack outside support.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: We don't know, we'll see.
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: When is the when when does voting start and when
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: is the election?
• 53:05
  Speaker 10: Early voting started yesterday actually and it's running through the
• 53:10
  Speaker 10: twenty eighth, and then election day is March third, So
• 53:12
  Speaker 10: we're in the thick of it right now?
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: Did she get crypto money in twenty twenty two? Was
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: it because there was a lot of this APEC crypto overlapped.
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: Do you remember was she one of those she.
• 53:24
  Speaker 10: Had Sam Bakman Freed, She was one of the protect
• 53:27
  Speaker 10: our future, Sam BigMan Freed got like things.
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: Going right for person, So he's not coming to the rescue.
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: What what do you what are you seeing? What are
• 53:40
  Speaker 7: you seeing as the contest plays out? Because you're like
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: you said that we're just weeks away from the election
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: at this point.
• 53:47
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, we've been the only campaign that's been
• 53:49
  Speaker 10: out knocking on doors, talking to voters where they're at,
• 53:52
  Speaker 10: and also doing relational community organizing because what we're seeing
• 53:57
  Speaker 10: right now is that people across this country they're feeling
• 54:01
  Speaker 10: let down by our political systems. They're feeling like there's
• 54:04
  Speaker 10: no reason for them to vote. What's the purpose? The
• 54:07
  Speaker 10: systems have just failed them in so many ways. So
• 54:10
  Speaker 10: the way that we're doing things differently this race is
• 54:12
  Speaker 10: we're obviously doing the traditional like radio, male TV program,
• 54:17
  Speaker 10: but also we have our aunties and uncles in their
• 54:19
  Speaker 10: WhatsApp chats talking to each other, reminding each other to
• 54:23
  Speaker 10: vote because Ramadan is going to overlap with the election.
• 54:26
  Speaker 10: We're organizing the mosques to have if thars to the polls.
• 54:30
  Speaker 10: Holy is right after election Nay, but we're celebrating a
• 54:33
  Speaker 10: little early and going to do like adult to the polls,
• 54:35
  Speaker 10: have some music and Hannah and like bringing our community
• 54:39
  Speaker 10: together into this like way that it shows that we're
• 54:43
  Speaker 10: all accepted and we're all fighting for this same like
• 54:47
  Speaker 10: equality and dignity for everyone and.
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: Last one for me before and then Emi griff minocquestion.
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: So last night it was reported that there's a super
• 54:56
  Speaker 7: pack getting in to support you with almost a five
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: one thousand dollars add by. It's one of these pop
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: up super packs where it won't have to disclose kind
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: of who's funding it until until after the election. I
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: think you've been backed by Justice Democrats.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: Is that right? Yes, you have, you have their endorsement.
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: My first guest, I was like, maybe Justice Democrats to
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: organize this. Have you heard any rumors about who? Because
• 55:23
  Speaker 7: you're not supposed to coordinate, you're not allowed to coordinate,
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: I should say, yeah with super packs. Have you heard
• 55:28
  Speaker 7: any rumors about where this money is coming from? And
• 55:31
  Speaker 7: were you surprised by it or had you heard, oh
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: there might be this cavalry coming in.
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: No.
• 55:38
  Speaker 10: I mean, I'm proud to have the endorsements of so
• 55:40
  Speaker 10: many national progressive organizations, and we're actually the first campaign
• 55:44
  Speaker 10: of this cycle to have this coalition of progressive groups
• 55:48
  Speaker 10: all endorse one race of Sunrise, Working Families Party, Justice Democrats,
• 55:53
  Speaker 10: so many more, and then also Senator Bernie Sanders himself,
• 55:56
  Speaker 10: And I mean, for me, I'm looking at it, I'm like,
• 56:00
  Speaker 10: I highly highly doubt there's any sort of right wing
• 56:02
  Speaker 10: billionaire or corporation behind this, because I'm not going to
• 56:06
  Speaker 10: be any benefit to them.
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I wonder I'll see if I can do
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: some taking and figure it out. I would suspect that
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: it is the coalition of because that that coalition Justice Democrats,
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: Working Families Party, it's like they've done independent expenditures in
• 56:25
  Speaker 7: the past, usually they put their name on it or
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: not comparised like it's not it's not kind of harmful
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: to be supported by them.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: So so I don't know.
• 56:34
  Speaker 7: There's also this kind of pro Palestine super pac that launched.
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: Maybe they're trying to copy a pack.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 56:43
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think there's we're seeing a lot of progressive
• 56:47
  Speaker 10: energy and excitement, especially like posts Soaran's victory, folks have
• 56:52
  Speaker 10: felt like we were able to overcome ten million over yeah,
• 56:57
  Speaker 10: over ten million dollars of corporate spending in that race,
• 57:01
  Speaker 10: and then now even more excited from Anna Lilia Mehia's election.
• 57:05
  Speaker 10: And I'm proud that like with our campaign, we've been
• 57:08
  Speaker 10: running a grassroots race, or like our average contribution is
• 57:11
  Speaker 10: like fifty dollars or something, and it's coming from working
• 57:15
  Speaker 10: class folks in this district and across this country who
• 57:18
  Speaker 10: understand that I'm running for the fourth congressional district, but
• 57:21
  Speaker 10: I'm going to be a champion for everyone across this
• 57:23
  Speaker 10: country who wants to live with dignity, which is everyone.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: That's interesting because one of the things that divides the
• 57:31
  Speaker 6: populace left and right when there's a lot of overlap.
• 57:34
  Speaker 6: Because I remember when we were talking to Zoron when
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: he was really early, like right, this was before the
• 57:39
  Speaker 6: election had really taken off. He had just been out
• 57:42
  Speaker 6: talking to Trump voters, and one of the things that
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: they were agreeing on was it was sort of obvious,
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: like paying your bills, healthcare costs, all of that. But
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: one of the things that does divide populis left and
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: right is immigration. And I'm curious because to me, it
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: feels like what Obamacare did for the party movement, those
• 58:01
  Speaker 6: of us on the right, ICE is doing to the
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: progressive movement right now that it's become this real like
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: the fuel that is just driving people to organize and
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: get active. So I'm curious how you're thinking about all
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: of that right now.
• 58:20
  Speaker 10: Yeah, And I think, I mean, even in North Carolina,
• 58:22
  Speaker 10: we are seeing, like, obviously there's gonna be folks who
• 58:26
  Speaker 10: are just deeply xenophobic, who don't want immigrants and don't
• 58:30
  Speaker 10: want people who look like me to be in this country.
• 58:32
  Speaker 10: But if you look at there's a lot of people
• 58:35
  Speaker 10: also in this district, this state, this country that consider
• 58:40
  Speaker 10: themselves Republicans but are also deeply disturbed by the actions
• 58:43
  Speaker 10: of ICE and CBP because they're not just going out
• 58:47
  Speaker 10: and actually enforcing immigration of what their agency's title is,
• 58:52
  Speaker 10: they're going out and terrorizing our neighbors, and they're targeting everyone.
• 58:57
  Speaker 10: The folks that they've been killing in January have been
• 59:00
  Speaker 10: and US citizens. They've been innocent civilians who are protesting
• 59:07
  Speaker 10: or documenting and have been murdered. And that's using our
• 59:11
  Speaker 10: taxpayer dollars, and I think folks across party lines should
• 59:15
  Speaker 10: be and are enraged by that.
• 59:18
  Speaker 7: What is the issue that you're finding resonate the most
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: are when you know what is kind of what are
• 59:24
  Speaker 7: you leaning leaning into?
• 59:28
  Speaker 10: I mean, I think one of the overarching issues that
• 59:30
  Speaker 10: we're seeing in this district and across the country is
• 59:32
  Speaker 10: the issue of affordability. And immigration is really deep in
• 59:36
  Speaker 10: top of mind for everyone also right now in this moment,
• 59:38
  Speaker 10: and its personal to me as a naturalized citizen myself
• 59:42
  Speaker 10: the daughter of immigrants from Indian Pakistan. And when it
• 59:46
  Speaker 10: comes down to the affordability issue though, that's something to
• 59:49
  Speaker 10: Emily what you were saying, like being able to talk
• 59:52
  Speaker 10: to Republican voters unaffiliated Democratic voters, Like I'm a county
• 59:56
  Speaker 10: commissioner in the Bluest District, Bluest County and North Caro,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 10: but I've built relationships with Republican county commissioners across our
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 10: state because when we talk about building our budgets as
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 10: at the county level and the challenges we face of
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 10: the state not doing their jobs to fund public education
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 10: and how that creates a greater load on our counties
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 10: and we have to balance picking up that load but
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 10: also taking care of our residents and making sure that
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 10: they're able to have, you know, their snap benefits, their
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 10: social welfare programs, all of those things actually reaching them.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 10: And so I've built relationships with Republicans by taking away
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 10: the labels because so much of the policy that I'm
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 10: supporting and folks across this country, working class folks want,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 10: is common sense that I'll say where the Republican commission
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 10: is actually appointed to the North Carolina Association of County Commissioners,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 10: which is our board of all one hundred counties across
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 10: the state. I was appointed and by a Republican commissioner
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 10: to the board of directors because I talked to him
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 10: about like he's in western North Carolina, and we found
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 10: common ground that I want my residents to be able
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 10: to put food on the table. You want your residence
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 10: to be able to put food on their tables. You
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 10: want your residence to keep a roof over their heads.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 10: I want that for my residence. And if we talk
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 10: about these issues at that human level of taking care
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 10: of one another, the national noise that we hear it's
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 10: clouding those conversations, and that's what's hurting our families, and
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 10: we're able to build relationships and actually lobby for change
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 10: at the state level together at the federal level when
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 10: we're advocating for the dignity of working class folks.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: So, how is the go for a row?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Real quick?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 7: How's the AI and the advent of AI impacting politics
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: in North Carolina? Because you've got the resource triangle, so
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 7: I imagine it's like, you know, really shaking things up
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 7: on that front. But what and what about the kind
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 7: of production of the you know, the power behind it?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: Like, are are the data centers actually having growing a
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: political issue?
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 10: Yeah? They absolutely are. They We actually have an AI
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 10: data center that's being considered at the local level in Apex,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 10: which is in this district, and residents have been coming
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 10: out strongly against it because it's going to be built
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 10: basically like right outside their neighborhoods. And Duke Energy, which
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 10: essentially has a monopoly on our electricity grid here in
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 10: North Carolina, they are already negotiating renegotiating their energy rates
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 10: with the town of Apex and basically increasing the rates
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 10: for residents to take account for the fact that they're
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 10: going to need an increased load for these AI data
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 10: centers and infrastructure needs. And so we're already seeing the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 10: bill being passed on to our families and neighbors. And
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 10: that's why I'm the actually the only candidate, and this
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 10: came up in a town hall meeting, and I'm the
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 10: only candidate that's called to support Senator Sanders' national moratorium
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 10: on AI data centers. And it's not about hindering AI.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 10: AI is going to exist in our world. It's not
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 10: going to go away. But how do we make sure
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 10: there are proper regulations in place that things like what
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 10: we're seeing right now with the energy electricity costs being
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 10: passed down down to the residents, millions of gallons of
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 10: water being consumed and folks is across the country just
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 10: to run a data center for one day. If folks
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 10: across the country are starting to see their taps run dry,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 10: and we can't have that happen in our district, because again,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 10: who is going to pay for those infrastructure costs? Where
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 10: are we going to get alternate resources of water? The
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 10: town of Apex gets their water from Jordan Lake, which
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 10: is not an indefinite bottomless lake of water.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: Called it, it's a lake. Yeah, yeah, gotta be nerve wracking.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I had a one more ICE related question for you.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: I did some research on some of your haters online
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: that are calling you the zoron Mamdanie of North Carolina,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: which I don't know if that's a great attack. Seems
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: like people like that guy, but they were cifically saying
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: because you have helped citizens in North Carolina with ice Watch,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: alerting people to ice presence and things like that, and
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: there's currently this funding battle in Congress over the DHS
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: over how they're going to fund it. If you were
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: in Congress, what are like the clear demands that you
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: would make to say, we're not funding DHS until these
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: things happen.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 10: Look, ICE as an agency was created in the Bush
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 10: era in two thousand and three, in a post nine
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 10: to eleven world, to target my community, the Muslim community.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 10: It was an agency that was created to dehumanize us,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 10: to target us, to surveil us. And now we're seeing
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 10: it push to another level of extreme under Trump's administry,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 10: to murder innocent civilians in broad daylight. And I'm seeing
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 10: even in our incumbent in this seat is saying that
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 10: she's calling for reform of ICE as an agency that
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 10: body cameras and unasking them will somehow keep them in check.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 10: They're already being live streamed murdering innocent people in broad daylight.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 10: A body camera is not going to save our neighbors.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 10: And so I am clear in my stance that ICE
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 10: needs to be abolished. It's not an agency that's actually
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 10: making our community safer. That the way that we tackle
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 10: and address the issue of immigration is through investment in
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 10: safe and clear legal passageways for immigration, opening up our
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 10: visa programs and green cards. I'm a naturalized citizen myself.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 10: Most people who come to this country are either refugees
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 10: who are seeking refuge from honestly, most of the times
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 10: disasters that we the United States government has funded and created,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 10: or they're coming here like my parents did to achieve
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 10: the American dream, to raise me and my sisters, to
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 10: be able to seek opportunity and to have to dream big.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: Last last one for me, I've started to see a
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: lot of Democrats when it comes to question of immigration, say,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: you know what, we actually we made a mistake by
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 7: letting ourselves be labeled as open border democrats. Democrats that
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 7: we that we don't care come, everybody can come in.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 7: It led to Trump getting elected, and it led to
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 7: then this Jock Conian kind of reaction to it. We
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 7: need to focus on beating back ICE, abolishing ICE, rolling
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 7: rolling back CBPS abuses, and focusing on the way that
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 7: immigration enforcement is done internally. But we have to kind
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: of concede some ground on the on the border.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: Uh are you seeing that?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: And where do you fall down on that compromise? I
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: guess you would call it that Democrats seem to be
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: making or is it like no, no, no, Actually, Biden's
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: border policy is something that should be supported.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 10: I honestly don't think that immigration has been the issue
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 10: that has cost us elections. I do sincerely believe that
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 10: it is issues around affordability. And it's not just the
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 10: issue of affordability in this district, it's across the country.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 10: Is that working class folks want to hear what their
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 10: elected officials are going to do for them. Most people
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 10: in this country are unaffiliated voters, and so they just
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 10: want to see how are you going to fight for them,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 10: how are you going to lower their costs of living?
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 10: And I think that as Democrats, we haven't done a
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 10: good job of talking to every demographic and talking to
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 10: every voter. Because even in states like North Carolina, where
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 10: we're labeled red, but we're truly purple, we're a pretty
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 10: fifty to fifty state.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 10: Trump may have won the presidential here, but a Democratic
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 10: governor in the past three elections. And so what we
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 10: need to be doing is going into these areas and
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 10: these congressional districts that we take for granted and say
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 10: that they're read and talking to the everyday folks and
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 10: having conversations with them at that human level of like,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 10: we know that you're struggling to make ends meet, that
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 10: your wages have stayed stagnant. North Carolina's minimum wage has
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 10: not changed over twenty years. It's been stuck at seven
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 10: dollars twenty five cents. The cost of living here is
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 10: twenty four dollars an hour. And this is how we
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 10: as Democrats or just we as your elected leaders, are
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 10: going to fight for you to raise the minimum wage
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 10: so that you can that you'll only have to work
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 10: one job to take care of your family. This is
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 10: how passing Medicare for All is going to guarantee health
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 10: care for you so that you don't have to worry
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 10: about going to the doctor or paying your rent, and
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 10: having those conversations with folks face to face, through community
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 10: town halls, through relational organizing. That's what we've struggled and
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 10: failed with I believe as a Democratic party, is that
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 10: we've taken these votes for granted that they're they're red,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 10: they're going to vote read. There's no point in us
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 10: reaching out, but these aren't. We can't label our counties
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 10: and our districts as red or blue when it's all
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 10: working class folks.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: Awesome, Well we got we got anything else before we
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: let her go on to her very busy day with
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: that rally.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: Big day, Big day.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: Yes, we'll be watching, we'll be tuning in. We'll include
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: a link to your website in the description. Any any
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: final words before we send you off.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 10: No, just thank you, Ryan Griffin, Emily so much for
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 10: this opportunity. I think this election, you know, it's the
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 10: first primary alongside Texas, and we have the opportunity to
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 10: show that not only can Progressives win, they can win
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 10: in the South and we're gonna be able to prove
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 10: that come March third.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: All right, thank you so much for thank you so much. Thanks,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: talk to you soon. All right, that'll do it for
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: the first half of the show, and we'll see you
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: back here in just a moment. All right, we are
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: back in the second half of the show.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 10: Here.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: We're going to release the full show altogether publicly for
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: everyone today.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: And you know, we just talk.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 6: It's a little teased to see what you get with
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: the premium subscription. Sometimes we act as as business people
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: and we have business strategies.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: Oh that's so adorable. Wow.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: So we were looking at a certain race in the
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: South and North Carolina, but I had to turn our
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: attention momentarily to another race in the South. I'm talking,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: of course, about the Florida governor race with one James Fishback.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: Have you all been keeping track of the fish Back news?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 6: What happened?
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: He got suspended from Twitter? He got suspended from what.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: You have to do to get suspended from Twitter? My god?
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: Well, even worse, he got suspended from Tinder, which is
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: even more challenging. That's far, far more challenging.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 9: Me.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: Let me tell you.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 7: Harvesting votes on tender. I guess that could be a
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 7: term of service violation.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: He was reaching out to women, Yeah, he was reaching
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: out to female voters on Tinder is what he said.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: But girlfriend but he brings around with him.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 7: Well he well, he wasn't trying to know, he was
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 7: just trying to get their votes.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: That's all.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: I have seen people on dating apps like now posts
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: that they're like plumbers and stuff like people are just
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: posting jobs like on them now, being like hey I
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: can fix your I can fix your sink or whatever.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 6: Literally, oh, they're they're combining like task grab it with tender.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's so yeah. So look, if you're looking
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: for love, well maybe well you have a plumber. Uh
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: so in Florida. And I didn't want to offer a
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: mea culpa because a few episodes ago I said that
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: James Fishback had no motion and I was wrong, and
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: I'm here admitting it here on the show there is
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: some type of motion happening. And now I'm not sure
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: if this adds up to a successful political campaign, but
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: I did want to play a few clips here where
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: James Fishbeck seems to be generating some level of an
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: organic movement of young men down in Florida, and I
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: specifically wanted to highlight this clip where he referred to
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: cafeteria food as goy slop. So let's let's let's take
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: a let's take a listen to that.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 8: My view is our our high school cafeterias should be
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 8: run by great local businesses, small business restaurants that have
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 8: local labor, that use Florida cattle, Florida produce Florida fruit
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 8: and yes, Florida orange juice. They should take over our cafeterias.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 8: What's with the pop tarts in the Broward County public
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 8: schools in the cafeterias. I'm not saying that the test
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 8: scores are a results of the pop tarts, but if
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 8: you wanted kids to fail, if you wanted to set
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 8: up our kids for failure, you would feed them the
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 8: absolute goys slop in our cafeterias.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: And for those just listening, he put his hand over
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: his heart at the end of that. There emotional all right.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 7: As an old person, like, what what on earth does
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 7: he mean by goyslop?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: It also implies the existence of of of Michelin star
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: goy like like a high class goy food as well. Uh,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: you know it means well, it means it's like I mean,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: isn't isn't you never heard?
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: This is not part of your vernacular?
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 7: Ryan, I'm not I need I need a little bit
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 7: of education on this Okay, reddit confused about goislop. I'm
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 7: gonna read a thread while you guys discuss.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, please please elucidate the entire audience. I
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: want the I want the Webster definition.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 7: Let's see for well, it's like dog food, the food
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 7: made for a dog, goyslop slop for a goy for
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 7: the US And okay, so this I see.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: So it's.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 7: It's it's like playing into anti Semitic tropes that like
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 7: they're saying that the Jewish people only feed non Jewish
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 7: people dog food?
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 6: Is that?
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: Is that what the essentially?
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, essentially, and that's what got the pop from these
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: young Republican kids here now listen, I mean, outside of
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: the vernacular usage, it is hard to debate the fact
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: that we do feed absolute dog food garbage to our
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: children and we do not invest in the we do.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: And when when Michelle Obama tried to change that, she
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 7: was like presented as like this was like Mause Dun
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 7: coming back from the grave. Right, So forgive me if,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 7: like I don't have the most amount of patients for
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 7: this argument coming from from the right, Like like why
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 7: what was wrong with Michelle saying it, except I didn't
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 7: Michelle needed more anti semitism in in her presentation in
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 7: order to be acceptable to universalists.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: And non bigoted.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 7: Potentially, Okay, so we can get good food for the kids,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 7: but only if we like lace it with bigotry.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, right now it's laced with preservatives and right and additives,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: but it could use a little bit more of the
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: anti semitism.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 7: And you know, I mean, you've got to raise taxes,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 7: like property taxes, get that.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: Income tax in Florida. And I don't think he's uh suggested.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: That, right.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 7: It's more expensive to have a local business make the
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 7: food with than it is to have Cisco come in
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 7: and feed them slop like that's that's just a fact.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 7: I think that that'd be a good thing. I'm for it,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 7: but I'd like to hear how Fishbeck is going to
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: pay for that. I guess he'd say he's going to
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 7: use the Israeli bonds.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, potentially, And and you know it seems illiterate.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: But whatever.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: The outside of the.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: Specifics of the cafeteria food, which you know, I Ryan,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: I know you have kids, I'm not sure what the
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: food's like at their schools, but just like today pizza day, Sure,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: chocolate milk day.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: But you know what I said, which is kind of disturbing, Like.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so the chili is not goy slap,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: but everything else is. But you know, outside of the
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: specific vernacular, the larger picture here seems to be that
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: James Fishback is a new type of young Republican that
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: is activating young Republican voters by becoming the far right
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: meme come to life. I've got more footage.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: Here of being straight up anti semitic, yes, but.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: He's meme in all sorts of ways. You know, it's
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: not just the anti Semitism stuff. He claimed that someone
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: tried to burn down his home, so he came out
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: with an AR fifteen.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 11: If you threaten our campaign, if you lay hands on
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 11: a single one of our volunteers, if you come back
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 11: to this home and our staff, our volunteers are working hard,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 11: We're not waiting for the police.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 6: We're gonna shoot you with.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 8: An AR fifteen sight on scene five five six.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what we're doing.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: So he does that, and he also got into a
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: very heated debate over don Lemon recently with Tara Paul
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: Mary that I just wanted to share a quick moment
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: of as well to give you a full flavor of
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: this guy.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 12: If I had to go into a cave to interview
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 12: the Taliban? Am I co conspirator to interview them? If
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 12: there's a buyer inside of a church and I'm in
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 12: there covering it? Am I a co conspirator? Am I
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 12: the arsonists? Because I'm in there?
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 6: True?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 7: If the nine to eleven highjackers gave you a heads
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 7: up and you bore to the plane to cover the
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 7: nine to eleven high jacking, and yes, you and anyone
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 7: else involved should be publicly executed.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 12: Oh my gosh, why would I get into a plane
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 12: that's about to.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: So listen, it's not just anti Semitism, it's a little
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: bit of everything, Ryan.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 7: Her point is a fair one that she's got bigger
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 7: problems if she gets.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: Onto the into the natal line.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think sort those charges out later.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 7: You know, he's he's polling in the double titches and
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 7: how he was at like two percent.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I saw a pole that's had him at
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: like twenty percent with his opponent buyer in at like
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: thirty five or what have you.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 7: So the latest latest Paul is Donald's up fifteen. I
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 7: don't think it's a very reputable poll. But previous polls, Mason,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 7: there's a Mason Dixon pole which is more credible, that
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 7: has Donald at thirty seven and fish Back at three, and.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: That's the January poll.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 7: I like, that's much more credible than this Patriot polling
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 7: that are people are circulating. It's like A and Ryan.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: I've also heard rumors, and I haven't been able to
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: confirm this yet, but there are rumors that he's not
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: even eligible to run in Florida because he has not
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: lived in a Florida residence for seven years. There are apparently,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: allegedly some records that show that he had a d
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: C based home up to twenty and twenty five, which
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: wouldn't even make him eligible technically.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not gonna be other Byron Donald's internal polls,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 7: but still that like they have him no. Forty Donald's
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 7: forty seven, Fishback five.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: I think ultimately what I am seeing from this Fishback thing,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: whether this is a real race or not, is is
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: I guess the question. The larger question for me is
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: is this a lens into the future of activating young Republican.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: Voters to the means. It's interesting the memes in real life.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so far as not trans on the ground into votes, but.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: It is translated into these viral videos, these these crowd
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: clips or.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 7: What disconnect there, Yeah, which I think Republicans should pay
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 7: close attention to, Like is in doing it for you
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 7: unless you're just trying to grow an audience on the internet.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 7: Grow A lot of people are, But if you're trying
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 7: to win elections, went over the electorate, it's not happening.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, well that was my James fishback update. Just
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: wanted to keep everyone ahead of what's going on over there.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: There is another race, uh that we've been looking at
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: for a little bit, mister James Talerico h versus Jasmine
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: Crockett Ryan. What is going on with this Tallarico Crockett race.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: We've talked a little bit behind the scenes about it.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: But but what do you make of this? And and
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: who would you say has the better chance here between
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: the two?
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: If you were if you were voting in Texas.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 7: US you want to I want to poll some polling up,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 7: but see what we got the in the in the poll.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll play this video while, uh, while we look
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: for some polling here, because Talllarco, you know, does seem
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: to be imbibing some of the new democratic energy around
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: the oligarchy. He's been talking a lot about class warfare
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: in the such Let's take.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 7: A listen, and how is that not just like pushing
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 7: for class warfare.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 13: We already have class warfare in this country. It's the
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 13: billionaires waging war against the rest of us, and right
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 13: now the billionaires are winning. They've been winning for fifty years.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 13: Trickle down economics is not a theory. It is theft.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 13: For fifty years. For fifty years, the billionaires have been
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 13: stealing from the American people, stealing the wealth that we created.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 13: It's why everyone is so angry right now. It's why
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 13: no matter how hard you work, you can't seem to
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 13: get ahead. The American people are not asking for a
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 13: lot a job. We don't hate, a house big enough
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 13: to rape the family in and a little left over
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 13: so we can go on vacation every once in a while.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 13: That is a lot harder than it should be, harder
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 13: than it should be in America. So I'm not fighting
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 13: for class warfare. I'm fighting for the American dream.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: So that is Tallerico fighting for the American dream, and
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: that does seem to be like what he has been
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: kind of pushing over and over again, whereas the Jasmine
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: Crockett side seems to be solely around I'm going to
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: fight Donald Trump.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: I pissed.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: I triggered Donald Trump, and I'm the one that triggers
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump the most.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that was the first clip of his I saw
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 7: circulating more like, Okay, this guy's like all right, I'm
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: listening now, Okay, let's hear what else you got. I
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 7: still think he's got the problem that he kind of
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 7: looks like he's seventeen, not to be shallow, but like,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 7: you know, voting that matters to voters. So I'm looking
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 7: here at the time summary. There's been three polls that
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 7: are not internal polls in January. Two of them have
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 7: Crockett up. The University of Houston, the School of Public
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 7: Policy there has crocketted up eight. Slingshot Strategies poll Texas
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 7: Public Opinion Research has crocked up one, and then Emerson
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 7: College is good pollster sponsored by next Star, which is
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 7: the News Nation and local news conglomerate, has Tallerico up
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 7: nine over Crockett. So it feels like the polling is
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 7: basically tilting Crocket's way a little bit, but not in
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 7: a way that you would say that this race is
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 7: any anywhere near over.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: And this is after there was, you know, two weeks ago,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: and we covered on the show here what was supposed
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: to be sort of like an identity politics kill shot
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: on Tallarico where they said, oh, he called Colin Allred
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: a mediocre black man or whatever, you know, which potentially
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: maybe back in twenty eighteen that might have been it,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: but it doesn't really seem to have fully put the
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: you know, the holes in his tires.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 7: I you know, he denied it, and then all Red
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 7: and Crockett, you know, came in for some significant criticism
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 7: from National Democrats for kind of going in on it. So, yeah,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 7: that is a different state of affairs than would have
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 7: existed a couple of years ago.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: And you know, tall Urico seems to be, you know,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: he's catching the wave of the anti oligarchy. People are
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: mad at the billionaires or what have you, and he
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: says the billionaires are are what's wrong. But I just
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: had did a little bit of research and I had
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: to fla this political article dem Darling Tylarrico showered with
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: Miriam Addelson linked money. A group funded by Adelson was
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: the biggest donor to James Tallerco's campaign last.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 7: Year, his his like state legislative campaign, his and so
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 7: his defense of this has been it's kind of a
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 7: funny defense. It's like, this was not about Israel. This
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 7: was about gambling.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: Perfect.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 7: It was for this casino that Adamson Empire, uh, you know,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 7: wanted to build in Texas. So it's like, okay, all right,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 7: well the best we can do.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: I guess what one's gotta go, Israel or gambling. It's
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: your pig, Bryan, you can't have. But you can't have both.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 7: One of them is committing a genocide. The other is, yeah,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 7: utterly cutting like the entire like finances of country. I
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 7: would get rid of. The one doing the genocide will
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 7: not get rid of, but like have them end their genocide.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, so that's us. We're pro gambling now as long
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: as we can end the genocide. I feel really good
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: about that.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 7: He could also just say I'm not taking any super
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 7: pac money or any adults in money, no matter what
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 7: the cause is.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: I do think it's a sign that they're there.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 7: Obviously, she's not giving him money for a Senate campaign either.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: Right, but this is kind of a sign that there's
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: going to be a lot more centrist Dems that are
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: like I get it, yo, Like whatever Bernie's saying, anti oligarchy,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: sure whatever, just don't look into like any of my
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: past and like we're good. So we'll see how that
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: strategy works and if the DEM base is is cognizant
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: enough or or or shrewd enough to pick apart the
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: the I don't know the conflict or the hypocrisies laden
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: within some of these candidates. I think that leads us
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: nicely to the end. But we'll answer just a few
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: of your AMA questions from the audience. And Emily did not.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: I just want to tell Emily left. She didn't leave
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: because she was but she didn't leave because she was
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: scared of the Fishback conversation. She tells me. She says
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: her power went out. Coincidence, Huh. I was hoping for
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: a virulent defense of fish Back from Emily. I guess
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: we'll never know.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: I don't think we're going to get that. Yeah, I guess.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: We'll never know what she would have said there. But
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: let's get to some of these am a questions. First off,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: someone asked, what was your experience on the Peers Morgan
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: Show yesterday?
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: Ryan, how did that go?
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 7: It was usually when Pierce Morgan's reaching out, You're like, oh, God, like,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 7: so like it's gonna be some you know, shout fest
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 7: whoever can shout earliest and loudest. But they were like, no, no, no,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 7: like we just want you to come on and like
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 7: talk about your reporting when it comes to Epstein and
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 7: also Nenyaw's visit to d C. We did end up
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 7: having time for the Nenyaw who visit to d C,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 7: and then I left, I did my did my piece,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 7: and then Dershowitz and Boz Musev just got to go
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 7: at each other for half an hour over long.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: They went out each other.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 7: So that that's actually kind of a nice ideal situation
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 7: to be in. I like sharing the reporting and then
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 7: the other folks can hash it out. I was in
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 7: the trailer listing to Dershowitz. As I'm leaving, I'm like, oh,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 7: I kind of wish I was on for some of
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 7: these some of this nonsense. But I also don't want
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 7: to be there for that either. Like it's I'm very
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 7: much torn in both directions.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, they got to institute some sort of mute
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: button or something, but they liked the crosstalks.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm not going to tell the I'm not going
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: to tell the professionals what to.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: Do over there.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: They seem to have a good thing going. This next
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: one is from Jack ve'd beck. He says, would you
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: guys bring on Michael Tracy to debate Epstein stuff? I
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: always liked him and thought he was a good faith actor,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: even when I disagree with him, But his takes on
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: Epstein have been absolutely bad shit, and I would liked
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: it before Ryan response, We did do this already about
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: four months ago, before this new tranch of emails came
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: out between Sager and Tracy. So we've already had one
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: struggle session over this. But is it time for a
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: Michael Tracy return?
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: Definitely not.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 7: We also had him on, didn't we have him on
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 7: a Friday show? Probably he was arguing with No.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 5: Maybe it was a counterpoints like debate show back in
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: the day.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 7: Counterpoints Friday. We had him on arguing something. Now yeah.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 7: Last night he was also defending Jean lu Brunell, a
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 7: notorious sex trafficker who getting accused of rap going all
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 7: the way back to nineteen eighties, like a documentary about
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 7: it eight nineteen eighty eight, and then he continued abusing
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  Speaker 7: women for decades, and now you're also defending him. This
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  Speaker 7: this associate of Epstein's.
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  Speaker 3: Like, no, so yeah, I don't know. It's a lot
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  Speaker 3: to unpack with that, gentleman. I'll say that as well.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: Someone here asks s w Z says, can we get
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: a good News by Griffin weekly round Up? I think
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: it'd be a great addition to the Friday show. And
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: he's the one silly enough to deliver the endorphin boost
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  Speaker 3: amidst his bleak weekly gestures at everything. It is kind
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  Speaker 3: of tough, Like there was that show that John Krasinsky
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: did during COVID that was like some good news, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't it those always came off as like a
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  Speaker 3: little a little well, I don't know, unnecessary. I'm not sure,
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  Speaker 3: Like should we fit in a nuggative optimism?
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  Speaker 5: I mean we try to.
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  Speaker 3: I mean sometimes it's candidates that come on here, they
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: give a little bit of optimism, like we had one
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  Speaker 3: on today. I mean, but I mean, what do you
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: make Ryan, Should we be doing more good news on
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: the show.
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  Speaker 7: If you want to do it, you go for it.
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  Speaker 7: I think we're covering the news. If it's good, we'll
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 7: cover it. Unfortunately much of.
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  Speaker 3: It, Ryan, what do you make of the l Passo shooting.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: There's multiple people asking here about that, the l Passo
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  Speaker 3: air shut down and what is now the official story
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: that CBP has laser beams and shot down a birthday balloon.
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  Speaker 7: I know Saga is pretty suspicious of that, and his
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 7: UFO Radars is going off the idea that DHS would
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 7: be given a laser gun and immediately deploy.
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  Speaker 4: It in a de irresponsible way.
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  Speaker 7: It has something I find very credible, and maybe they're
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 7: like exploiting CBP and DHS's like low brand among the
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 7: public that like the whole public right now is like, oh,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 7: these idiots were acting recklessly.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that that track.
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  Speaker 7: So maybe maybe we're like the victims of a of
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  Speaker 7: a psyop because they know that we have the lowest
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  Speaker 7: possible opinion of the goons at CBP and ICE, so
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  Speaker 7: we'll believe anything.
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  Speaker 10: Oh.
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  Speaker 5: I like that theory, kind of like, oh, blame it
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  Speaker 5: all on them.
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  Speaker 3: But I also just totally believe it. Yeah, yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: it is I mean I believe it too. That that
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  Speaker 3: there was a misuse of a weapon by CBP is
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: the daily story. But I think what is scarier about
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  Speaker 3: that to me is guys that could not get a
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  Speaker 3: job being the mall security cop have laser beams.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: It's not ideal, not ideal at all. Powerful, like powerful
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  Speaker 7: enough to panic the FAA into shutting down the airspace
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  Speaker 7: for ten freaking days.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And honestly, I like I was talking to Crystal
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  Speaker 3: about this, like the people that from the FFA, they
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: probably just had to scramble like what the hell is
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: going on over here? And and okay, screw it, We're
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: shutting down the airspace for ten days. So I believe
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  Speaker 3: they were the adults in the room on this one, actually.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, so look forward to more laser related incidents
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  Speaker 3: in the future. I guess with these laser beams, Now,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: what's a laser beam weapon?
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  Speaker 4: Is this?
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  Speaker 5: Like, do you have you have you ever heard of
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  Speaker 5: this before?
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: They exist? Yeah, they exists.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's just like Star Wars or is this something
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  Speaker 5: a little bit more?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Cool? You can you can find.
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  Speaker 7: You can find demonstration videos of them, like on YouTube
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  Speaker 7: or something from different companies that trying trying to sell them.
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  Speaker 3: So I can get a laser gun, as assess, I
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: think you would need a serious license a license for that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Israel is talking about, you know, moving to these
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 7: laser defenses because the current like missile defense system costs
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 7: them you know, or sorry, costs us you know, billions,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 7: and so every time they get into a conflict with Iran,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 7: they have to spend billions launching these missiles to knock
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 7: down the Irani missiles. And so they're trying to develop
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 7: and claim that they have made serious strides in developing
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 7: a laser system that costs very little for each each shot. Incredible,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 7: incredible things happening over there. All right, Well now now
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  Speaker 7: I want to shoot it.
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  Speaker 4: Later.
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  Speaker 3: If the CBP guys are getting to do it, I
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: want to do it. Our final question is from lay MVP.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: They ask breaking points. Kyle Kolinski is the dark Woke Commander,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: Hassan Piker the Ayatola of Woke. What are the titles
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: of Crystal Ball and Ryan Grimm in the reawokening?
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  Speaker 8: Uh?
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  Speaker 7: Still, I'm still asleep Crystal's Uh, what kind of woke
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  Speaker 7: is she?
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  Speaker 6: Just?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know. What do you think?
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: Well, I think you're I think your professor woke perhaps or.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: And for her I mean something maybe Queen Chancellor, we
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: have to come up with it.
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  Speaker 5: I've had it. Ladies are obviously their own.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: Dark woke as well, So yeah, I mean, people really
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: liked when Kyle went on the Piers Morgan Show and
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: was very rude to one Daily Wire correspondent, and people
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: seem to get a lot out of that. He did
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: have sunglasses on, which is more conservative coded I think,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: using some of their visual language and aesthetic taking that
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  Speaker 3: back from.
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  Speaker 5: Them, which I like.
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  Speaker 3: But do do you think that dark woke is the
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: future to be? To be rude and crude on the
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: side of on the side of woke? Is that an
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: effective measure maybe.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: For a little while. I don't know.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 7: I think things are changing rapidly. Nothing nothing is stable,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 7: so seem like welcome that.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: I do already sense it. In the entertainment industry and beyond.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: There are podcasters and others who are starting to put
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: their fingers into the wind and feel things changing. So
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: it seems like woke was dead for about eight months,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: and now we've got Piers Morgan debating Megan Kelly about
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: the bad Bunny thing, and Piers Morgan is taking the
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: bad Bunny side. So it does seem like they had
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: a very very quick run on the Woke is dead
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: thing and Woke maybe returning very soon. So is that
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: some good news? I don't know, previous questioner, there's your
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: good news Woke return.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 7: There wasn't as much latent bigotry as the Maga world
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 7: that that wing of the Maga world expected there would
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 7: be because they have we now have permission to be bigoted.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 7: Everyone's going to be bigoted, I mean, and they look
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 7: around like, oh, a lot of people are just not
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 7: don't want to do that.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: And I think that buying Elon buying Twitter was actually
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: like a poison pill for the sort of reality distortion
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: of the of the cultural conservatism because conservatives went on
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: too x now and they see, oh, everyone agrees with me,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: everyone thinks it's hilarious when the DHS Gov posts an
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: as MR of an immigrant in chains and that everyone
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: likes would love it. So this is this is really
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: going to resonate with the public, and they're at the
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: top of the feed, and they're getting tons of quote
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: unquote engagement in views. So surely this must be the
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: feeling of the nation, and so we're going to stack
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: our White House communications with that energy.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 5: And most people.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: Have found that kind of revolting, including many of my
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: young MAGA friends. You know, I've talked to many of
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: my young MAGA friends that voted for Trump and they go, man, like,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: I didn't think I was voting for like, you know,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: ripping a mom out of her car, Like, I don't.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 5: Know what they thought they were voting for, but it
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: wasn't that right.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I think that's right.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: So that's something all right.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: And that's Hey, another good news story with do them
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  Speaker 3: All on the AMAS. That's gonna do it for us
• 1:38:36
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  Speaker 4: To you