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Episode 110: An Analysis of the Duel Between Obi-Wan and Anakin on Mustafar in Revenge of the Sith · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there, it's time for most things Kenobi.
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  I prefer all things Kenobi, but I suppose that's not the Jedi
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  way, as long as it's not all things Anakin.
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  Hi everyone. Welcome to another episode of
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  Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and all
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  things Star Wars. I'm your host, Lauren.
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  And I'm your host Leanne and this.
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  Week we are talking about the duel at the end of Revenge of
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  the Sith and I can't wait. My favorite subject?
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  Obi Wan and Anakin at their peak.
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  The Peak. It's crazy shit and there's so
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  many ways we could analyze this. I feel like this could be a
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  multiple part episode because of how many different ways you
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  could approach it and like how long the duel is.
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  Yeah, yeah, and our goal is to get to the following episode.
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  The next is to compare this duel to their duel in the Kenobi show
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  when they yeah. Me to gain it's.
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  So good. I I can't wait because there's
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  so many cool parallels and like opposites kind of in a in a way
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  and. And you, you have a more trained
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  eye for this, so I'm gonna let you talk more than I am going to
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  talk. I think we came at it from
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  different approaches, right? Because you were reading the
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  novelization? Yeah, I decided to go back and
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  see how that because it's been a long time since I read Revenge
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  of the Sith novelization. It's one of my favorites, if not
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  my favorite. We should do an episode just
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  about the novelization because Kenobi Wolf gifted us the audio
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  book, so we can. This is true.
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  This is true. I I went paperback form for this
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  one because that's all I had on me.
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  But I mean, at the time I was doing this at work, but I was
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  flipping through and I was reading.
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  Just kind of my favorite moments, but I I wanted to hone
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  in on the duel itself, and it's so crazy to go back and read the
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  novelization after seeing the Kenobi duel.
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  Because I texted you and I was like, there has to be something
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  here. Did they reference it or is it
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  just that beautifully tied together?
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  Because I have some quotes that I'm going to sprinkle in through
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  this episode and I'm going to resprinkle them.
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  Again when we go over the Kenobi duel, because they could
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  literally be discussing the exact same moment.
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  That's so cool. So I was not expecting that.
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  I just decide I'm like, oh, I haven't read this in a while.
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  I'll go back and read like how it was written and I was like,
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  oh shit, this is great. No, I haven't watched Revenge of
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  the Sith since the Kenobi series came out, so that it was
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  actually really interesting to to rewatch and.
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  And I got emotional at the end, which I don't normally like.
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  I do watching the Kenobi series, it makes me cry every time.
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  And I I don't normally cry. And Revenge of the Sith like I
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  feel it. It's so heartbreaking.
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  But I'm not moved to tears at this time.
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  I really was, because putting it into context with Clone Wars.
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  Anakin again. Was painfully.
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  I don't think I've watched it even since.
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  Season seven of Clone Wars came out, so it was just like, oh, it
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  hits a lot harder now. Yeah, I I just, I got to say
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  this and I say this every fucking time.
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  And I need to say it now. The way that Hayden handles A
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  lightsaber, it does things to me, but he is so excellent.
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  Yeah, him and you and are like perfect.
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  I just don't know. It's so wonderful to see them
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  back again at the in the Kenobi show.
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  But like, you know, there's always those bad, those behind
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  the scenes shots of them practicing and they're kind of
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  goofing around and then you see how intense they like turn it on
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  for the movie. Of course, you know, that's an
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  actor's job, but it's literally like the friends we know from
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  Clone Wars fighting. Yeah, that's what that moment
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  when he says I hate you, it's. Just oh, it's awful.
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  It hits so much harder now after you've watched everything
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  they've been through, all the challenges they've, you know,
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  conquered together, and then the loss they've both felt
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  especially like with the Soca leaving and everything, it just
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  adds this extra layer of being kicked while you're down.
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  Totally. Well, that whole sequence is
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  thrilling and exciting. It's also devastating at the
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  same time, just like the Kenobi series.
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  You know, I don't want to jump into that too early, but it's
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  the same thing where you're like, ooh, this is going to be
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  good. But also, yeah, it's going to
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  rip my heart out. We guess that is Star Wars,
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  right? Yes, it's greatness and terrible
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  pain. So where do we start?
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  I don't even know I. It's so epic.
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  It's my favorite. I know a lot of people love Obi
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  Wan, Quigon and Mall, you know, the Duel of the Fates.
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  But this one, I think The Revenge of the Sith is my
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  favorite. It just, it's so visually it
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  just it's the comment, the emotion and culmination, the
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  fiery, explosive. And of a friendship, it's like,
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  perfect. I don't know, Mustafares.
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  I know they needed a fire element to like, melt Anakin,
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  but it's really good symbolism for the explosion and decimation
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  of a friendship and a relationship of how many years
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  you know. Yeah, I think that's a good
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  place to start as the environment, because it is an
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  absolute symbol like you said. Yeah, it's not even subtle.
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  No. And it it shouldn't be.
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  This is it. Like, this is where it all comes
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  down to. This is it.
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  And actually I have, you know, the beginning of the Revenge of
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  the Sith novelization. It's like so perfect.
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  Everyone knows the beginning of that novelization if you don't
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  go read the first like 10 paragraphs.
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  But my favorite line is though this is the end of the Age of
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  heroes. It has saved its best for last
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  and. That's the beginning of the
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  novel, and literally that could be the introduction to their
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  duel. This is the best.
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  They saved their best for the last because this is it for
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  them. They had to bring their best
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  form, their best skill to fight each other.
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  They knew each other so well that this was the top of the top
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  of the top of what they brought. To fight against each other,
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  it's so devastating. I love it.
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  We've done some episodes kind of like adjacent to this subject in
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  the past. We did one where we talked about
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  how Obi Wan says to Yoda send me to kill the Emperor or the
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  Chancellor River, like he says the word send me to kill him.
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  Like don't send me to do this to Anakin and.
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  People always talk about OK, well, like, he's a cinnamon bun
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  and he's really not. He's not.
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  He's absolutely not. But I do have quotes from the
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  book, which I'll get to when we get to that part.
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  Yeah, I think that there's some interesting ways to look at
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  this, right? So I took the approach of kind
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  of like cinematography a bit, and then I used a lot of fencing
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  references. Yes, yes.
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  Did research on sword fighting and it's not a great example of
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  it, honestly. OK.
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  But the it's kind of interesting because you can use a couple
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  different approaches. I've listened to multiple
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  swordsmen, I guess is how you say it, analyzing the fight.
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  And they all say it's really not great as a sword fight, but they
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  all love it because it's fun and it's got so much symbolic energy
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  to it, but there's different ways you could look at it,
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  right? So I was just kind of go through
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  a few things that I I came across.
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  Some of the biggest complaints they have is when they swing,
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  they're not actually aiming for each other, they're aiming for
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  each other's lightsabers. And yeah, fencing, you don't do
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  that and and like a lot of times.
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  Sword fights are actually in. Realistic sword fights are over
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  and one to five moves. That's true.
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  That is very true. And they often don't stand very
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  close together. They're actually pretty far
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  apart and you thrust forward. There's no thrusting in Revenge
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  of the Sith, but they do use High Guard a lot where they have
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  their their blades like above their head, which is actually
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  realistic, and it's because you're swinging for the head is
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  the most vulnerable part. And it keeps your legs out of
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  the way when you're fighting that way, that's true.
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  So, like, that's all very realistic.
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  But they said there's like multiple opportunities where
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  Obiwan could have killed Anakin. Like when when he's below him,
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  actually, there's a few times where Anakin jumps at him and
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  tries to kick him and Obiwan is a blade in his hand and they're
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  like, he literally could have just cut him in half.
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  Yeah, right. True.
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  Something that I think is kind of interesting is yes, OK, maybe
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  it's bad sword fighting. It's very entertaining, that's
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  for sure, but. What if this is?
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  Yeah, this is just cinema. I love it.
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  Everything about it is, yes. But let's turn it on its ear and
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  use that as a narrative analysis.
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  Yes, they're swinging for each other's lightsabers.
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  Everyone's not taking the opportunity.
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  If you look at it narratively, he maybe he's not really wanting
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  to kill his friend and he's trying to just match him and
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  like maybe somehow still beat him down enough that he'll
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  listen to reason. Yes.
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  And it becomes clear that's never going to happen at a
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  certain point. No, no, it becomes clear.
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  But now I will supplement with the book.
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  Yes. And what is written, because it
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  it is literally what you're describing, the quote goes like
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  this. I love this part.
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  The quote goes like this. This was not Sith against Jedi.
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  This was not light against dark or good against evil.
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  It had nothing to do with duty or philosophy, religion or
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  morals. It was Anakin against Obi Wan
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  personally. Just the two of them and the
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  damage they had done to each other.
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  Then it goes on to describe Obi Wan back flipping, leaping.
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  They're spinning. They're, you know, all this
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  stuff. Then it says, and this is this
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  is the this is the part. He was countering strikes from
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  this creature of rage that had been his best friend, suddenly
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  comprehended and unexpectedly profound truth.
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  The man Obi Wan faced was everything that he had devoted
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  his life to destroying, Murderer, traitor, fallen Jedi,
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  Lord of the Sith. And here and now, despite it
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  all, Obi Wan still loved him. Isn't that, like, so awful?
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  And then I just want to sneak this in here.
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  Think of the Kenobi duel. This is so heartbreaking.
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  Yes. Oh my God.
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  It's like a parent's pain, you know?
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  Like your child can do all the worst things in the world and
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  you'll still love them. What a lesson, What a lesson.
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  I know I'll be 1 to To realize you can still love something
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  that isn't. I mean, that is the that is so
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  Kenobi, right? Like that.
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  It is, it's. So Obi 1 to.
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  To still be able to care and like have that empathy and love
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  and compassion for something that is so far from what you
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  believed was right. Yeah, yeah.
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  And it, I just want to read a little bit more because it
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  supplements, it kind of wraps it up.
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  Yes, please. It goes on to say Yoda had said
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  it flat out allow such attach attachments to pass out of one's
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  life. A Jedi must.
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  But Obi Wan had never let himself understand.
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  He had argued for Anakin, made excuses covered for him again
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  and again and again. All the while this attachment he
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  denied even feeling had blinded him to the dark path his best
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  friend walked. Obiwan knew there was in the
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  end, only one answer for the attachment.
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  He let it go now. How many times has poor Obiwan
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  had to let it go before? Oh my God, it's so good.
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  And this is probably the hardest one, right?
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  And it won't be the last time he has to do this.
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  Yeah, I'm going to reread this entire thing when we get to the
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  next episode because it's so mind boggling to me how the
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  parallels and truly that is why we love Obi Wan.
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  He is this Jedi. He does follow the code.
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  He he has suffered tremendous loss and he still has to like
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  deal with the fact that his best friend is going, he's fighting
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  him. It's like you said, he's trying
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  to just wear him down, right? Anakin's throwing everything
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  he's got at him. He's going to tire.
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  Obi Wan's just on the defensive the entire time.
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  They're doing their forms perfectly.
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  Anakin's throwing all offensive form 5, right?
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  Obi wants all defensive Form 3 so they could go for hours like
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  this, you know? And Obi Wan is just like, let
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  him expend all of his energy and then like you said, maybe I can
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  talk to him or. Talk some sense or try one more
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  time. Because I don't think Obi Wan
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  wanted to kill him until he had to say there was only one answer
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  for this attachment and he had to let it go.
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  Yeah, and that is probably the hardest part of that entire
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  battle, his internal battle well.
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  Just we'll talk about this next week.
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  Just the very fact that he's standing there while his friend
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  is in agony, screaming and he. He doesn't.
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  We've done an episode about this.
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  He doesn't kill Anakin, which maybe would have been the more
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  merciful thing to do. It's like he brings himself
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  right up to the brink and still, like doesn't want to deliver
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  that death blow. And granted Anakin's
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  incapacitated, he has no weapon. A Jedi is not supposed to kill.
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  You know, somebody who's. Indefensible.
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  You know it's wrong. Leaving him there like that is
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  cruel in and of its own way. I think Obiwan thought he died,
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  Obviously. We kind of get that sense right
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  in the Kenobi series. He thought Anakin died on
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  Mustafar. Right.
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  But he walks away before he's dead and like to have, first of
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  all, if you've ever, like, had a bad breakup or anything like
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  that where you have to walk away while you're in so much pain and
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  it's like, you know, it's the right thing to do, but you still
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  have to do it, you're both damaged by the whole experience.
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  Like, I don't even know how he was able to carry on
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  conversations within a few hours of window of this, You know,
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  it's like. I mean.
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  What followed this is he had to go then take care of the kids
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  that Padme was birthing and then dying like it's just one thing
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  after another after another. And at this point he thinks that
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  Yoda has also died because he can see a Palpatine ship showing
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  up on Mustafar. Oh, does it say that in the
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  book? Yeah, in the book.
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  And he said, oh, my friend must have failed.
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  There's nothing left. So he walked away thinking Yoda
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  was dead. But of course he finds out.
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  Sooner rather than later that that's not the case, but he sees
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  Palpatine ship and says like, shit, I might be the only one
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  left. God, that's so interesting.
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  I I also have this entire quote saved because it was also quite,
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  I mean you you segwayed perfectly into it.
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  It was the it's the last piece of of the duel quote.
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  In the end there was only one choice.
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  It was a choice. That Obi Wan had made many years
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  before when he had passed his trials of Jedi Knighthood and
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  sworn himself to the Jedi forever.
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  In the end, he was still Obi Wan Kenobi and he was still a Jedi
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  and he would not murder a helpless man.
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  He would leave it to the will of the Force.
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  He turned and walked away. After a moment, he began to run.
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  He began to run because he realized if he was fast enough,
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  there was one thing he could still do for Anakin.
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  He could still do honor to the memory of the man he had loved
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  and the vanished order they both had served, and that was to go
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  save Padme. Oh my.
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  God. Wow.
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  So again, the purpose driven man that we all talk about love on
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  this show had found another purpose in that immediate
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  moment. To drive him forward and out of
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  that terrible moment which is into another terrible.
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  Moment. We've seen it, right?
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  Like over and over again with Qui Gun.
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  His reason to keep going is to care for Anakin.
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  With the teen, his reason to keep going was because he had
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  his duty and like she wouldn't have wanted him to give up on
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  who he was. Just like over and over all of
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  this heartbreak, he somehow finds a reason to keep going.
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  And some people, like I've heard people scoff at that when people
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  hit. Hardship and they finally, when
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  they say there's a you know, there's always a reason behind
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  why things happen. Some people laugh at that idea
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  laugh at it all you want. Shouldn't we take what we can to
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  keep going. Absolutely.
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  We have to. There's always hope.
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  Yes, why would you give up on hope?
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  Why would you throw your hands up and say, I guess this is as
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  good as it's going to get, like you could always.
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  Find a reason to keep going, just as much as you could find a
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  reason to give up. Jenny has this quote she says
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  all the time. But what if it all works out?
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  Yeah. I mean, you're 50% the glass is
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  what, half full and half empty. It'd still be half full.
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  You could still make it out. You could still try.
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  Right. It's just he's an amazing
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  character. He's really an inspiring
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  character because of that. I don't know, just this is might
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  be a really dumb question. But did all we want get used to
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  having to do this over and over? Does is it possible for a human
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  to to have to do? Am I ignorant for asking that?
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  I don't think so. I don't think it's ignorant at
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  all. I think it depends on the
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  person. I think some people are really
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  worn down by these experiences and other people recognize like,
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  oh, this is one of those things where I'm going to have to use
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  use one of my coping mechanisms, you know?
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  Right. And no one's right or wrong for
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  how they deal with trauma and and pain or any situation, but I
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  can't help but think of Obi Wan's fighting style.
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  You and I have talked about it before.
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  He learns from his previous battles and I think you can also
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  apply that to emotional battles you learn from.
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  You know the previous hurt you had to let go, Let's say Satine.
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  You know, the most recent before Anakin?
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  I guess you would know like, OK, well this worked for me last
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  time. Maybe if I just refocus my
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  energy on something, a purpose. And that's why I think Obi Wan
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  was always able to push forward because he always made sure that
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  he had. Purpose external to himself,
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  which we'll see again. And yeah, talk about this later
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  on, like, because that's the next tool.
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  He's altruistic. He is always for the greater
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  good. That's why he even join like
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  stays a Jedi when multiple times he has the opportunity to turn
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  his back on it. If he wanted to, he doesn't
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  because he believes in that greater good.
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  Yeah, I think it's. He's such a character I would
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  aspire to be like. So I would not want to live his
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  life. Right.
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  I just to have the amount of grace every single time, every
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  challenge like just that maybe just take a chip of that off,
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  you know? Yeah, there's a couple of things
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  in the cinematography I'd love to talk about if you're gay.
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  Yes, please. I love your point of view on
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  this stuff. You've got the eye for it,
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  you've got the training for it. Well, there's.
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  It's not as lyrical, I would say, as some of the
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  cinematography. It's pretty, pretty
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  straightforward for the most part on all the stuff.
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  But there are certain things that I found really interesting,
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  like obviously the environment right, is burning lava.
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  It's basically this volatile, precarious environment where
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  like not only is it explosive and dangerous and representative
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  of Anakin, but it's also Obi one on this precipice, right?
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  Like it. Yes, yes, you're right.
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  Any moment it is like there's danger that could just swallow
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  him up without, you know, the environment could swallow him
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  up, you know. One false move thing, whether it
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  be emotionally or physically, and it all goes to shit, yes.
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  Exactly. It's it's cool.
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  And this all like because of the environment, it ties into the
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  color scheme that's going on. And yes, again, it's not subtle
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  at all. There's obviously red.
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  Which is anger, violence, passion and love.
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  Because Padme is there, that's all part of that as well.
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  And then there's obviously a lot of black, which is grief, fear
• 21:13
  and evil. So it's really dangerous
• 21:16
  environment. Oh yeah, it's awful, but.
• 21:19
  Something I love is they're lightsabers are blue.
• 21:23
  Right. And it's this tiny little
• 21:25
  winking light most of the time, especially from far away.
• 21:28
  Like, especially when they're on the.
• 21:30
  I don't even know the pillar, you know that falls into the
• 21:33
  lava and you see them from really far away.
• 21:35
  All you see is their lightsabers, just this color,
• 21:38
  like winking in the the crazy red environment.
• 21:43
  The blue lightsaber is a is a protector.
• 21:46
  That's the symbolism, defense, defense of good protection of
• 21:50
  all that and. And in cinema cinematography it
• 21:56
  represents calm. It does, yeah.
• 21:59
  It can also represent like cold and like depression and
• 22:02
  isolation, which also definitely.
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  Like I mean at that moment. Yes, like tie into that
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  completely. But it's also like if it if
• 22:10
  you're looking at the calm perspective, it's like Obiwan is
• 22:13
  the calm in the storm even though he always.
• 22:15
  Has been in this. Tumult.
• 22:18
  He is still this centered person and you see it in like Anakin's
• 22:22
  face, right? He has this look of
• 22:25
  determination but really he's so passionate he's vulnerable.
• 22:29
  Yes, yes, yes. And everyone has this look on
• 22:32
  his face, like he's constantly trying to solve a puzzle the
• 22:35
  whole time. Like, he's like.
• 22:36
  He's totally right. He's.
• 22:38
  Thinking he's anticipating he's trying to like match Anakin
• 22:43
  without killing him, you know, and it's it's really interesting
• 22:47
  and I I love the Force push. Moment where they're in that
• 22:52
  equal force push. Because I've said this before
• 22:54
  that some people have said that everyone's just deflecting
• 22:57
  Anakin, but if you watch it really closely, they do it at
• 23:00
  the same time. And so it's showing that they
• 23:04
  can't really get the upper hand on each other and in the same,
• 23:08
  same sequence where they're like standing there twirling and the
• 23:12
  lightsabers are just like twirling, twirling, twirling.
• 23:15
  It's the meme. Yes, exactly, I've heard.
• 23:20
  People shit on that a lot as it's absolutely ridiculous as a
• 23:24
  as a fencing technique. But the cinema or the
• 23:27
  choreographer, I've heard explaining that they're
• 23:30
  readjusting to get an upper hand on each other and neither one
• 23:34
  can do it and. That makes sense.
• 23:38
  The point there is that, like again, they're so evenly matched
• 23:43
  that Anakin isn't actually more powerful than Obiwan.
• 23:47
  It's just that he trained him, he taught him, he knows all of
• 23:51
  his little tricks, you know. And so it's I really loved
• 23:54
  seeing the representation of their equality in in, in all of
• 24:00
  this. And also I just have to say that
• 24:01
  little sequence where they go through the hallway.
• 24:04
  Yes, that's probably my favorite.
• 24:06
  The outside going in, It's so Empire Strikes Back.
• 24:10
  Yeah, I I really love it. It's probably my favorite part
• 24:13
  of that whole duel. It's always been that hallway
• 24:15
  was always like, yeah, oh, here it comes moment.
• 24:18
  And then, I don't know, I have a thing for Vader and hallways.
• 24:23
  Shit, I didn't make the connection till now.
• 24:27
  God, I have a type again. That's so funny, but they kind
• 24:35
  of they mirror it in the next. We'll talk about the next
• 24:38
  episode. They mirror that because it's
• 24:39
  not a hallway, but it's a narrow passage that they go through
• 24:42
  between all the rocks. And again, like the blade is
• 24:45
  hitting every side as they go through it and it's this like
• 24:48
  claustrophobic idea of. Not only are they coming from
• 24:52
  the outside platform, they go through this tunnel, which of
• 24:56
  course, tunnels are symbolic in their own sense.
• 24:58
  It's a period of transition, you know, And they go into this
• 25:01
  inner environment where they're closed in and they're stuck and
• 25:05
  it's claustrophobic. And then then when they, they
• 25:07
  leave the exterior, that is where it's the most dangerous.
• 25:12
  You know, it's like inside Mustafa now.
• 25:15
  There's nowhere to retreat. It's so dangerous.
• 25:17
  And they're in the belly of the beast, you know, I just.
• 25:20
  Yeah. That's all I've so good.
• 25:24
  It's so good, though. It's.
• 25:26
  I really, I don't know. It's tops to me.
• 25:28
  I you have to walk through fire, right?
• 25:30
  To get to the end. And that's literally what Obi
• 25:33
  Wan's doing. Yeah, I guess Anakin is too, but
• 25:37
  I mean, he's not the victor. Well, it's kind of what we said.
• 25:41
  I think it was the last episode when we said, yeah, we're
• 25:45
  talking about Attack of the Clones and how Anakin.
• 25:48
  Runs and does all this crazy shit and Obi Wan walks and they
• 25:51
  arrive at the same place at the same time, but everyone hasn't
• 25:54
  expended all of his energy to get there, and you're still
• 25:57
  seeing that here to this day. It's a really cool
• 26:00
  representation of their characters.
• 26:03
  And we see it again in the series multiple times, not just
• 26:07
  in their dual. Yeah.
• 26:09
  But Obi Wan is I mean. They go back.
• 26:13
  These two go back and it's evident and it's that's really
• 26:17
  sad. But I just love can I, can I be
• 26:21
  shallow for two seconds, please. I love how sweaty Hayden is
• 26:28
  during all this. Like when he's doing the he's
• 26:31
  pushing the lightsaber into like he's trying to get it to like
• 26:34
  Obi Wan's neck or his face or something and.
• 26:37
  Yes. It reminds me a little bit.
• 26:40
  When they're getting to Kadavo and he's got the lightsaber
• 26:44
  pointed at the the pilot of that ship that him and and Asoka's
• 26:49
  like Asoka's like Ana can't like you know, yes there's no Asoka
• 26:55
  there. Yeah, there's nothing holding
• 26:57
  him back anymore. Obiwan has seen all this.
• 27:00
  Obiwan wasn't in the ship that day, but I'm sure that's not the
• 27:02
  first time, you know. He's had to be like Ana can get
• 27:06
  that lightsaber away from his neck, you know?
• 27:10
  But in the book, and this is what I I forgot all about this
• 27:14
  part. And I you know, my love for
• 27:16
  metal arms and hands. It's described of him like
• 27:21
  flicking his finger and opening up the medal of Anakin's hand to
• 27:25
  release his grip. Oh, how fucking cool is that?
• 27:29
  Yeah, I I vaguely remembered that because it turned me on
• 27:32
  when I first read the novelization, but like, but.
• 27:38
  It's a it's a fantastic, like like a moment.
• 27:42
  He had clarity enough to be like, I can do this move to
• 27:45
  unlock his hand because it's the metal and he's not relying on
• 27:50
  the force necessarily to hold that grip.
• 27:53
  So that's his hand. That's his sword hand.
• 27:57
  Yeah. So he opened it because I I just
• 27:59
  love it. Everyone's a thinker.
• 28:01
  He remains calm. He has clarity.
• 28:04
  Even despite the emotional turmoil of the entire incident
• 28:08
  and the onslaught that Anakin's bringing physically, Obi Wan
• 28:12
  still has. What can I do to to get one up
• 28:14
  on him? Well, and that's this is really
• 28:17
  hot to me. Like the the fact that Obiwan
• 28:20
  has faced how many siths and always holds his own against it,
• 28:25
  like exception, you know the beginning of the Kenobi series
• 28:28
  he has some trouble but otherwise like.
• 28:32
  Understandable. Yes, yes, He's been out of
• 28:35
  practice. He's a little rest.
• 28:37
  Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I love that
• 28:40
  about him and. He's not a cinnamon.
• 28:41
  Roll. He's not a cinnamon roll, but
• 28:43
  he's like people kind of forget how powerful he actually is.
• 28:47
  Like as a he wasn't a teenager. I guess he was in his early 20s,
• 28:50
  defeated mall. Yeah, wild.
• 28:53
  I mean the amount of mental what's the word?
• 28:57
  I don't want to see gymnastics, but it's like the mental
• 28:59
  fortitude. Yeah.
• 29:02
  To do this over and over and over, I mean we could go back to
• 29:06
  the episode in The Clone Wars where he and Adi Gallia and she
• 29:11
  dies and he has to move on to take on Mall and Savage and the
• 29:17
  poor man. I love the cinematography talk,
• 29:21
  some of my favorite stuff because it just ties it all
• 29:24
  together with a Pretty Little depressing bow.
• 29:30
  It's true. And honestly, there's even
• 29:32
  better cinematography in the Kenobi series.
• 29:36
  I can't wait to talk about that for next week because I don't
• 29:39
  know, it just like everything we just talked about, colors,
• 29:42
  environment, everything is opposite.
• 29:44
  And it's it's really, really deliberate.
• 29:48
  To wrap this up, I'll just reiterate the first sentence.
• 29:51
  So this is the end of The Age of Heroes.
• 29:53
  It has saved its best for last. Join us back here next week.
• 30:03
  We are going to dive into the second-half of this
• 30:05
  conversation, where we analyze the final duel from the Kenobi
• 30:10
  series and we'll show you how it ties into Resvenge of the Sith.
• 30:14
  And it's gonna be freaking awesome.
• 30:18
  Last week we talked about leadership in Star Wars and some
• 30:21
  of the leaders we talked about. We didn't get to all of them,
• 30:25
  and one of the ones I wanted to get to was Han Solo.
• 30:29
  And our dear friend Kenobi Wolf brought up that he would follow
• 30:33
  Han Solo circa Return of the Jedi.
• 30:37
  Han Solo, yes, and I couldn't have agreed more because the
• 30:41
  point I wanted to bring up. In the episode was there's a
• 30:45
  there's a leader hiding in Han. He just had to like break
• 30:49
  through his his imposter syndrome we'll say, to let it
• 30:53
  out. And I think Luke saw that in
• 30:56
  him. Leia saw that in him.
• 30:57
  Kenobi Wolf sees that in him. We all see that in Han.
• 31:00
  And it only took Han seeing it in himself to become, you know,
• 31:05
  someone that people really trusted look towards and he was
• 31:09
  able to lead in some of the most crucial moments of the battle
• 31:12
  for the Galaxy and. Thank you, Kenobi Woolfer
• 31:15
  bringing it up because he was on the list and we didn't get to
• 31:18
  him. There's so many, there are so
• 31:19
  many examples of great leadership in Star Wars and Han.
• 31:22
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• 31:25
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• 31:28
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• 32:03
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