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The Transformative Power of Angel Tree Camp · That KEVIN Show

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  Speaker 3: And it's one of those days friends. You know the
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  Speaker 3: the best of times, it was the worst of times.
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  Speaker 3: That was the start of my day. Today. I woke
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  Speaker 3: up and I'm trying to see, well, what happened in
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  Speaker 3: China overnight? How did the negotiations go, What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Did Trump get some big piece of news done? And
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  Speaker 3: I see that the White House has released I have
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  Speaker 3: a summary statement online about what all happened. And as
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  Speaker 3: I was reading through it, I was very excited because
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  Speaker 3: it sounded like a lot of good things did in
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  Speaker 3: fact happen. And when I got to the one part
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  Speaker 3: towards the end of the statement, I was very excited
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  Speaker 3: it said this. President g also made clear China's opposition
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  Speaker 3: to the militarization of the Strait of Horrormus in any
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  Speaker 3: effort to charge a toll for its use, which is
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  Speaker 3: what Iran has been floating. And he expressed interest in
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  Speaker 3: purchasing American energy to reduce China's dependence on the strait
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  Speaker 3: in the future. Huh who was talking about that? The
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  Speaker 3: last couple of weeks who floated that idea. Who was
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  Speaker 3: sitting there saying to every person that I could talk
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  Speaker 3: to on this show about it, Hey, here's an idea.
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  Speaker 3: And I heard most of them say back to me, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they're not going to do that because they're cheating the
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  Speaker 3: markets with getting the really really, really really cheap stuff
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  Speaker 3: from Iran and Russia. Well, I said, well, what if
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  Speaker 3: they want to be back in the good standing of
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  Speaker 3: the global community, a good partner, offering them a low
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  Speaker 3: price helps them re emerge as a as a good nation.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, so I saw that that was said, I
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  Speaker 3: circled it, I highlighted it. I fired it off to
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  Speaker 3: my friend Katie MacFarlane, who's the only person that said
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  Speaker 3: what I thought was even remotely possible. And I said,
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  Speaker 3: I think someone's been listening to our conversations, and she
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  Speaker 3: wrote back, I wouldn't be surprised if it was DJT himself. Personally,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, you gotta be kidding me.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it might be possible. The President has read
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  Speaker 3: my column, he has made notes about them and sent
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  Speaker 3: them to me. The scariest thing I've ever had is
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  Speaker 3: to pick up the phones. It's the Secret Service, so
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  Speaker 3: we need your address. Go okay, But it was because
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  Speaker 3: they wanted to mail me something. And I got a
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  Speaker 3: hard copy of my column back from the President. I
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  Speaker 3: had written about the fact that if he wanted to
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  Speaker 3: run again, it was his choice and not the parties
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  Speaker 3: and not anybody else's, and I laid out all the
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  Speaker 3: things that he needed to still accomplish, and he wrote
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  Speaker 3: back with a note in his own handwriting on top
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  Speaker 3: of the column. We do have a lot to work,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of work to do, Kevin, and I will
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  Speaker 3: give it everything I've got. Sincerely, DJT. So I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, maybe someone in the President's office is in
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  Speaker 3: fact listening to what we're talking about here on the
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  Speaker 3: show on a regular basis. I wouldn't be surprised if
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  Speaker 3: that was the case. I mean, evidently Katie McFarland wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: be either. But here's the great thing about it. If
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  Speaker 3: that happens, if we sell, if we develop an economic
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  Speaker 3: alliance with China, then we're going to have a boon
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  Speaker 3: to domestic energy production in America. That's going to help
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  Speaker 3: our economy in a big way, and it helps keep
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  Speaker 3: them in check. On the other end of it, so
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  Speaker 3: I'm hopeful that this summit will yield some good news yet,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that they're off to kind of an
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  Speaker 3: in interesting start. But that was the happy part. Then
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  Speaker 3: I'm going through my morning, get my kids to all
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  Speaker 3: the things that they got to go to because it
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  Speaker 3: is Maycember. Everything is happening that happens in May. And
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  Speaker 3: I get a note from Tom Tradup at Salem Headquarters
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  Speaker 3: and he says call me, and I call him and
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  Speaker 3: he says, Kevin, I don't know how to tell you this,
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  Speaker 3: but we have not yet sent our first child to
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  Speaker 3: Angel Try Camp. And I'm thinking to myself, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.
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  Speaker 3: This is now Thursday. We've lost three days. There's one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and sixty two kids that need camp this summer
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  Speaker 3: that don't, under any circumstances, have the financial resources to
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  Speaker 3: do it. But for only two hundred dollars, some a
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  Speaker 3: good Samaritan can say, hey, I want you to know
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  Speaker 3: about Jesus. I know your parents are in prison. I
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  Speaker 3: know one of your parents committed a crime. I know
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  Speaker 3: that they've gone through the Redemptive Bible study in prison,
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  Speaker 3: and that they've asked that you have the chance to
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  Speaker 3: know about Jesus too, and I know that that Angel
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  Speaker 3: Tree Camp will make the gospel center in what you're
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  Speaker 3: going to learn, and that this would be a life changing, transformational,
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  Speaker 3: maybe salvation inducing experience for you. I can't. I do
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  Speaker 3: not want to be the host of the show where
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  Speaker 3: the audience goes, no, we're not giving that to kids
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  Speaker 3: this summer. Friends, I am not hopeless. I am hopeful,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm a little surprised. And here's here's what I
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  Speaker 3: want to do, just just in the effort of being
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  Speaker 3: doing everything that we can. Would there be five people
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  Speaker 3: this hour of this show that would step forward and say,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to see to it that at least one
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  Speaker 3: of those kids gets to camp, at least one of
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  Speaker 3: these children will get to Christian care this year and
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  Speaker 3: hear the gospel. Would you be that one person, that
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  Speaker 3: first person to do that. It's two hundred dollars, you
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  Speaker 3: can do it, fifty dollars a month for four months,
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  Speaker 3: you can do it two one hundred dollars a month
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  Speaker 3: months and whatever. But if someone would do that right now,
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  Speaker 3: I will match it. In fact, for the first five
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  Speaker 3: people this hour that sponsor children for Angel Tree, me
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  Speaker 3: Kevin McCullough will match those number of kids going to camp. Personally,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not asking anybody else or in the organization or
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  Speaker 3: anything else to do that. This is how important I
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  Speaker 3: feel it is that we get these kids to camp.
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  Speaker 3: There are one hundred and sixty two of them on
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  Speaker 3: the list. All one hundred and sixty two live in
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  Speaker 3: crummy situations. Their parents one of their parents, if not
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  Speaker 3: both of their parents, are in prison. They're living with
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  Speaker 3: a relative or someone who doesn't always look out for
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  Speaker 3: them the best, but their parent has gone through the
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  Speaker 3: Bible training program in prison. They've asked specifically that they
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  Speaker 3: be given the chance to come to know Jesus at
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  Speaker 3: camp themselves. You're you're you're gonna be a part of
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  Speaker 3: bringing that family to faith in Jesus because of your generosity.
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  Speaker 3: I need five brave warriors. They're going to say, we're
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  Speaker 3: not letting these kids rot this summer. I do not.
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  Speaker 3: I refuse to believe that this audience wants these kids
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  Speaker 3: souls condemned to hell. I think that we are the show.
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  Speaker 3: I think we're the audience. I think we're the people
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  Speaker 3: that we're gonna let one hundred and sixty two kids
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  Speaker 3: just kind of rot rot on the vine this summer.
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  Speaker 3: We can't do that. We can't do that. Friend. We
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  Speaker 3: these mothers from scripture that really, I think give us
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  Speaker 3: a very cool kind of definition and pique into what
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  Speaker 3: a godly mother's life looks like. But they don't all
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  Speaker 3: start in godly places. Bathsheba is on your list, and
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  Speaker 3: she was a hottie that a king wanted married to
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  Speaker 3: someone else. What's her story?
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  Speaker 9: Well, I think you know, our ideal of motherhood is
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  Speaker 9: shattered with Bathsheba. I mean it started very badly. It
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  Speaker 9: started very badly. The king was on the roof, she
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  Speaker 9: was bathing on her roof. We can make some conjectures
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  Speaker 9: about that. Whatever it was, it wasn't wholesome.
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  Speaker 10: Uh.
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  Speaker 9: An affair ensued and the result of the affair was
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  Speaker 9: a pregnant mom and then uh, you know, the doing
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  Speaker 9: away with that Sheba's husband, and.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's very as bad as it gets, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I've got a fair pregnancy and murder like it's.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, I'm I'm trying to think, if I
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  Speaker 9: if I've even you know, seen a seen an advertisement
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  Speaker 9: for a soap opera that way, And ironically her name
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  Speaker 9: means daughter of oath and she didn't keep her her
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  Speaker 9: marriage vows. The crazy thing is her dad Ilium was
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  Speaker 9: one of David's mighty men as well as was Iriah.
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  Speaker 5: And and she.
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  Speaker 9: Loses her first child with David, and I'm sure that
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  Speaker 9: was incredibly painful, painful for him. He fat trying to
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  Speaker 9: get the Lord to save the baby's life. But then
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  Speaker 9: she has another child with David named Solomon, and Solomon
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  Speaker 9: becomes the wisest man in the world, gives to us
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  Speaker 9: the Book of Ecclesiastes on on on how to live life,
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  Speaker 9: and gives us the Book of Son of Solomon about
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  Speaker 9: how to love. And then she herself, Sheba makes it
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  Speaker 9: into the genealogy of Jesus, but not quite the way
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  Speaker 9: you would you would think. She's referred to not by
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  Speaker 9: name but as as as the wife of Uriah. But
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  Speaker 9: she's there in Jesus's genealogy. And the takeaway I think
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  Speaker 9: for me for her is that you know, you can
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  Speaker 9: start this whole thing with motherhood badly. You can. You
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  Speaker 9: can have an unexpected pregnancy, you can have a situation
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  Speaker 9: where you are in an affair, or you are not
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  Speaker 9: married to the person that you you you are having
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  Speaker 9: a baby with. But that doesn't mean God's grace can't prevail.
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  Speaker 9: Doesn't mean that we have to seek those problems situations.
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  Speaker 9: But God is greater, greater than our sin. He's greater
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  Speaker 9: than our failures. And certainly in Aesheba we see our
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  Speaker 9: God redeeming even that horrible situation.
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  Speaker 3: That's the great hope for all of us, because the
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  Speaker 3: truth is, none of us have sinned any more or
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  Speaker 3: less than Bathsheba did, and His grace still reaches us.
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  Speaker 3: The next mother on your list is Elizabeth, the aunt
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  Speaker 3: of the Christ. Why did she make it?
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  Speaker 9: Because she number one? She's older and now that I'm
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  Speaker 9: I'm older, I don't call people who are old or old,
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  Speaker 9: I say, I use the biblical term. She was advanced
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  Speaker 9: in years and she wants a child. And her husband
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  Speaker 9: has been going up doing his priestly duties every year,
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  Speaker 9: probably praying for a child. And this time UH he
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  Speaker 9: goes uh and and and offers the incense UH for
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  Speaker 9: the for the daily UH sacrificial system that he's part of,
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  Speaker 9: and gets word that she's gonna a child. And in
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  Speaker 9: her old age, she bears a child. Miraculously, she bears
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  Speaker 9: a child. She was probably UH in her early fifties.
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  Speaker 9: She she knows the sadness of being infertile, and she
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  Speaker 9: miraculously conceives. And who does she give birth to. She
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  Speaker 9: gives birth to and raises the forerunner of the Messiah,
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  Speaker 9: John Baptist. She's and she's the one who initially names him.
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  Speaker 9: His name is gonna be called John and and and
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  Speaker 9: and the people say no, no, no. And then Zachariah writes
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  Speaker 9: on a tablet that that's what the baby's name is
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  Speaker 9: gonna be. And I wrote in here that that maybe
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  Speaker 9: we got to think of it this way. You're never
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  Speaker 9: really too old to be a mom, maybe physically to
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  Speaker 9: be a biological mom.
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  Speaker 5: But moms come in all ages, all, you know. When
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  Speaker 5: we have that.
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  Speaker 9: Mothering instinct, you can be a mom atuite quite an
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  Speaker 9: old age.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that brings us to the most well known
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  Speaker 3: mom of the Bible.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, Mary, the mother of Jesus, who is shocked to
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  Speaker 9: find out that she's pregnant or she's going to be pregnant.
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  Speaker 9: You know, it tells us in Luke one thirty one
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  Speaker 9: and thirty two. And behold, you will conceive in your
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  Speaker 9: womb and bear a son, and you shall call his
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  Speaker 9: name Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: He will be great.
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  Speaker 9: He will be called the son of the Most High
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  Speaker 9: and the Lord God will give him the throne of
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  Speaker 9: his father David. She's a teenager, maybe as young as
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  Speaker 9: fourteen fifteen, we were not sure. Her name is Milliam
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  Speaker 9: in the Hebrew, and it means a mirth or a
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  Speaker 9: sweet smelling spice. She found favor with God by living
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  Speaker 9: the life that she lived. It's just, you know, we
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  Speaker 9: have so many other situations like Bathsheba where God's grace abounds,
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  Speaker 9: and surely God's grace abounds in the life of Mary.
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  Speaker 9: But she was trying to do the right thing. And
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  Speaker 9: in spite of in spite of the fact that her
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  Speaker 9: reputation would be soiled, in spite of the fact that
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  Speaker 9: she might lose her family. Her parents could not have
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  Speaker 9: been thrilled, and the story would have been a little
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  Speaker 9: strange to everybody. And in spite of the fact that
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  Speaker 9: her fiance or her espoused husband you know, might have
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  Speaker 9: ditched her. She surrendered to God's will though there were strong,
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  Speaker 9: strong consequences, and she gave birth to and raised the Messiah,
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  Speaker 9: our savior, Jesus. She was not only entrusted with carrying
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  Speaker 9: Jesus in the world, she was entrusted with raising Jesus,
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  Speaker 9: her and Joseph and they raised him as a good
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  Speaker 9: Jewish young man. But I find her story fascinating in
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  Speaker 9: that she's so she's doing the right things, and she's
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  Speaker 9: so surrendered to God. And I would that my heart
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  Speaker 9: was as surrendered as Mary's.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and there has to be I would love to
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  Speaker 3: know more about Mary's experience, because we've done a lot
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  Speaker 3: of things in Christendom, from nearly deify her to sometimes
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  Speaker 3: I think, basically forget the role that she played. And
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  Speaker 3: can you imagine having the task of trying to mother
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  Speaker 3: the child of God, the Son of God, the co
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  Speaker 3: equal with God. I just there's got to be a
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  Speaker 3: level of intimidation. There's got to be a lettle level
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  Speaker 3: of how can I possibly be the one that you've
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  Speaker 3: called to this job. I mean, I look at how
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  Speaker 3: my kids speak back to their mom, and I think, Wow,
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  Speaker 3: it's hard enough doing it with imperfect kids. Imagine if
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  Speaker 3: you had one with propose was always right. You know
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 9: You know, the most interesting story to me about Mary,
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  Speaker 9: it shows first of all her humanity, is when her
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  Speaker 9: and Joseph lose Jesus on his twelfth when he's twelve
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  Speaker 9: years old, and and and you know, they find him
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  Speaker 9: finally at the and the temple, and it's like, why
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  Speaker 9: did you do this to me?
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  Speaker 1: Why did you do this?
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  Speaker 9: And he goes, didn't you know I was about it?
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  Speaker 9: I was supposed to be about the father's business.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 9: She loses him and and he kind of rebukes her
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  Speaker 9: for not knowing what he was about. But you know,
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  Speaker 9: she also notices knows she needs a savior. She magnifies
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  Speaker 9: the Lord and what is called the Mary the Magnificent,
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  Speaker 9: and she rejoices in God, her savior. Though she's honored
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  Speaker 9: those she's favored, she understands her limitations and that she
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  Speaker 9: herself needs Jesus as her lord and save.
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  Speaker 3: These are three very distinct and different women than from
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  Speaker 3: each other and from one another, but also a strong sampling, friends,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: of what scripture has to say about what motherhood looks like.
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  Speaker 3: Tomorrow we're going to talk about two women that get
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  Speaker 3: singled out as having done it really well by the
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  Speaker 3: Apostle Paul, and we'll figure out what he liked so
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  Speaker 3: much about what they did and why it was so important.
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  Speaker 3: Pastor Dave Watson, thank you for everything that you're doing
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  Speaker 3: and thank you for being with us. Kevin, thanks so
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  Speaker 3: much for having me. It's great privilege.
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  Speaker 9: Please have an amazing thing.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I got it.
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  Speaker 3: And NYC shepherd dot com is where you can go
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: for all Pastor Dave's resources. Kevin McCulloch coming right back
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: to uncle Way.
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  Speaker 12: Let's stick around for more of fat Kevin next.
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  Speaker 13: Here he is from New York. That Kevin Kevin McCullough Kelln.
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  Speaker 3: Mckella hid you with us. I hope that you are
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  Speaker 3: planning to have some fun this summer. Maybe you're gonna
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: take the family on a vacation. Maybe you're gonna come
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: with us to Italy in September October. We've got that trip.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be fun. Listen, before you do, do
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  Speaker 3: me a favor. Take a look at your at your
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  Speaker 3: budget and what you've got planned, and think about the
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: joy that you're going to have with your family doing
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: the fun thing that you're going to get to do.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: It's probably gonna be thousands of dollars to go do it,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: even if it's a short trip. It's probably gonna cost
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: you a couple of grand to get the family away
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: and take the trip and buy the food and do
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: all the things. Well, what if you took ten percent
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  Speaker 3: of that and just said, you know what, maybe maybe
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: we're we'll cut out something here or there, but we're
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  Speaker 3: going to take ten percent of that same amount and
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  Speaker 3: we're just going to bless one kid with a trip
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  Speaker 3: this summer that's going to blow his mind and completely
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  Speaker 3: catapult him to a different place in life emotionally, spiritually,
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  Speaker 3: maybe intellectually, maybe relationally with other people. I mean, one
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  Speaker 3: of the things I remember about growing up and going
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  Speaker 3: to a Christian summer camp was that I developed friendships
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  Speaker 3: with people I would have never had the chance to meet.
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  Speaker 3: And to this day, some of those people are still
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: very close friends of mine fifty six years later. Like
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  Speaker 3: this is not this is not a pie in the
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: sky kind of idea. You're touching these kids in a
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: very real way, and relationship is just part of that.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Tom Traddap is back with us to talk about the
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  Speaker 3: amazing program of the Angel Tree Camps. You've been working
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: with them longer than I have, Tom, and you've seen
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  Speaker 3: it up close. But when you're talking about even some
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  Speaker 3: of the counselors at some of the camps in all
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  Speaker 3: fifty states, they are former Angel Tree Camp recipients that
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  Speaker 3: went to camp. Somebody paid their way, and now they've
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  Speaker 3: come back to help this new generation of kids find Jesus,
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  Speaker 3: know the Lord, get their life straightened out, and have
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  Speaker 3: an experience that is unforgettable. I mean, it is such
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: a joyous thing to see this kind of unadulterated good
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: that is going on with Angel Tree Camps.
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  Speaker 14: You raised two things that were great aspects of the
• 23:27
  Speaker 14: Angel Tree camping program. One of them is that you
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  Speaker 14: made these friends who you still stay in contact with,
• 23:34
  Speaker 14: whether they're pen pals or they're sending emails or you
• 23:36
  Speaker 14: get on the phone with them. There's a little boy
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  Speaker 14: named Joseph who we've heard from. He's so excited. He's
• 23:43
  Speaker 14: going back to Angel Tree Camp this year. It'll be
• 23:46
  Speaker 14: his second time at camp, and he said four of
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  Speaker 14: the kids who were in my cabin last year are
• 23:51
  Speaker 14: also coming back, so they stay in touch and they're
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  Speaker 14: all going to be in the same cabin with the
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  Speaker 14: same counselor. So that kind of that's special. It really
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  Speaker 14: makes something that they look forward to all year long.
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  Speaker 14: And secondly, when you mentioned the part about the counselors,
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  Speaker 14: there's a lot of people who started out as an
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  Speaker 14: Angel Tree kid, a boy or girl who went to
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  Speaker 14: camp on a scholarship like you were asking listeners and
• 24:16
  Speaker 14: viewers to come forward with. But then they went on
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  Speaker 14: finished college, or went to finished high school, went on
• 24:22
  Speaker 14: to college, finished college, and then they come back and
• 24:26
  Speaker 14: work with Prison Fellowship. It's a great nonprofit organization started
• 24:30
  Speaker 14: by Chuck Colson years ago, and they become a counselor,
• 24:34
  Speaker 14: and in a couple of cases, people that I've talked
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  Speaker 14: with have become camp directors.
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  Speaker 2: So they have devoted their lives.
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  Speaker 14: To the Angel Tree program because not only does it
• 24:45
  Speaker 14: help kids during the summer, but there are also sports
• 24:48
  Speaker 14: camps at other times of the year. At Christmas time,
• 24:52
  Speaker 14: Angel Tree provides a Christmas gift from the incarcerated parent
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  Speaker 14: with a special note from them and a Bible attached.
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  Speaker 14: It's a wonderful, wonderful program with great people who have
• 25:03
  Speaker 14: a heart for Jesus and they just look forward to
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  Speaker 14: molding these children from introverted, unhappy kids who are trapped
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  Speaker 14: in a hot city or a bad neighborhood into a
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  Speaker 14: happy summer camper. And if they get to spend a
• 25:18
  Speaker 14: week in the fresh air horseback riding or swimming, or
• 25:21
  Speaker 14: archery or the other things. Hugh Hewitt always mentions lanyards.
• 25:27
  Speaker 14: I never made a lanyard in my life, nor do
• 25:29
  Speaker 14: I want to know what one is.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: But he goes every year, he goes crazy. It got
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: a lanyard, a camp make it. It's an experience I
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: can'll never forget.
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  Speaker 14: So trust me, it's an opportunity to turn a child's
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  Speaker 14: life around from being part of potentially the criminal justice system.
• 25:48
  Speaker 14: If they don't break that cycle of crime, they end
• 25:51
  Speaker 14: up repeating their parents' footsteps. This is a chance to
• 25:54
  Speaker 14: really turn things around and bless them with a gift
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  Speaker 14: that won't harm you financially. You maybe have to tighten
• 26:03
  Speaker 14: your belt a little bit, as Kevin said, but it
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  Speaker 14: will truly bless them for eternity.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I happen to live in maybe one of
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  Speaker 3: the most expensive places in the country, So if I
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: want to have a date night with my wife, it
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: is very uncharacteristic if we can ever come out of
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: date night at under two hundred dollars for just a
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: nice dinner in the city and some time together. And
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: that's just a gas and that's that, and that's why
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: we only do it about once a month because we
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: have to live on a budget. But friends, I'm saying
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: you consider that, and you think about well, for instance,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: if I drive my kids through the drive through of
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Chick fil A on a weekend, which is only Saturdays
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: because they're not open on Sundays. But if we do
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: the drive through Chick fil A, I think it costs
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: us getting what everybody their normal order is. I think
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: it costs us exactly forty eight dollars and fifty nine cents.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: And I know that it cost us forty eight dollars
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: and fifty nine cents because I've paid exactly that amount
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  Speaker 3: on my credit card many weekends in a row going
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: through the Chick fil A drive through, paying forty eight
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: dollars and fifty nine cents. Well, for two more dollars
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  Speaker 3: and four weekends where we maybe stay home and have
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: peanut butter in the middle of the day on Saturday
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: instead of going to the Chick fil A drive through
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: one for one month, we could make a kid's camp
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: dream come true. So I don't. I've never thought it's
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: about whether or not someone can. It's a matter of friends,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Let's be very honest. It's about where our priorities are
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: and what we want and if we want to send
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: a kid to camp. We want to for them to
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: experience the joy of knowing Jesus and having this experience,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: then let's make a way to do that. Here's the
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: phone number. It's eight eight eight two oh six two
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  Speaker 3: seven ninety four Triple eight two o six two seven
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  Speaker 3: ninety four. Or you can go to that kevinshow dot com,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: click the Angel Tree banner at the top, that kevinshow
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: dot com. Click the banner at the top of the page,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: or go to eight eight eight two o six two
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  Speaker 3: seven ninety four. Kevin mccallach coming right back.
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  Speaker 15: Here.
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  Speaker 8: He is from New York, that Kevin. Kevin McCollough, welcome back.
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  Speaker 3: It's that Kevin Show, that kevinshow dot Com from Times
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  Speaker 3: Square every day. But Times Square is not what I
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: want you to focus on right now. I want you
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: to imagine going to the beautiful great outdoors, breathing fresh,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: clean air, seeing stars at night, feeling the sunshine warm
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  Speaker 3: your skin in the middle of the of the wonderful
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: spring and summer season that we are embarking upon, and
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: imagine for a child that's never experienced any of that before.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Steve Collins is with us from Angel Tree Camping and Steve,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: we were talking off air that for many years you
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: have actually worked in an area of Christian camping and
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: seeing children respond to this, and I have to think that,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: you know, for someone like me that grew up in
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: the Burbs, camp was a big deal. Was all I
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: lived for in the second half of the school year
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: was to get to summer and get to go to camp.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I can only imagine how much more intensified that is
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: for kids that grow up in public housing projects basically
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: concrete brock block apartments with a lot of heat and
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: a lot of dysfunction and everything else. To get out
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: of that environment and to be at a camp for
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: the first time. What's been your personal experience in terms
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: of what you see from these kids and why is
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: that first visit so special? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Kevin.
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  Speaker 15: It's amazing with kids get outside of their normal environment,
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  Speaker 15: which for most indistry kids is an urban environment and
• 29:43
  Speaker 15: get into the outdoor setting. It really has a tremendous
• 29:48
  Speaker 15: impact on the way they think about themselves, the way
• 29:52
  Speaker 15: they think about their future, and the way they think
• 29:54
  Speaker 15: about God. And so you get these kids coming out
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  Speaker 15: into this outdoor setting where they're experiencing things that they've
• 30:01
  Speaker 15: never experienced before, you know, just even hiking through the woods,
• 30:05
  Speaker 15: swimming in a lake, some novel experiences like riding a
• 30:09
  Speaker 15: zip line or horseback riding. These types of things studies
• 30:13
  Speaker 15: have shown really have a tremendous benefit on the brain
• 30:19
  Speaker 15: function in child development, and it starts to unlock new
• 30:24
  Speaker 15: things in their mindset where they realize that I don't
• 30:28
  Speaker 15: have to just be this way and I don't have
• 30:30
  Speaker 15: to just follow this course for my life, but there
• 30:33
  Speaker 15: are other possibilities available to me. And that is kind
• 30:37
  Speaker 15: of a key point in opening up the opportunity to
• 30:42
  Speaker 15: redirect a life into something beautiful that God's design.
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  Speaker 3: Well you're describing it. It almost sounds like it's a
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  Speaker 3: neural pathway that they did not previously knew was available
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: to them that they're now sensing and experiencing stuff through exactly.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, and so out were setting those new environments. And
• 31:01
  Speaker 15: then the other key thing is just being loved, experiencing
• 31:05
  Speaker 15: the love of God at camp. It opens up these
• 31:08
  Speaker 15: new pathways and kids start to recognize, oh, I can
• 31:13
  Speaker 15: think about my life a little differently. I don't have
• 31:16
  Speaker 15: to follow the same course maybe that I've seen in
• 31:20
  Speaker 15: my family. I can choose a different route from my life.
• 31:24
  Speaker 15: And there's just all kinds of studies that show that
• 31:28
  Speaker 15: this is really effective in helping kids to embrace a
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  Speaker 15: beautiful future.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: That is the data put on your camp director hat.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Take us into a moment where you've been managing camp
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: directing a Christian camp and you had an experience with
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: a child that really spoke to you in terms of
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: how much it impacted the way they viewed God or
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: the way they viewed themselves, or maybe both.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, I'll never forget this one particular child when
• 31:59
  Speaker 15: I was when I was actually a camp director and
• 32:02
  Speaker 15: we had an angel try child that came to our
• 32:04
  Speaker 15: camp and he was a big guy, bigger than me was.
• 32:09
  Speaker 15: He was probably fifteen years old, and he loved camp,
• 32:14
  Speaker 15: just embraced everything about camp. It just was provided just
• 32:18
  Speaker 15: a great sense of joy for him. And one evening,
• 32:21
  Speaker 15: we were wrapping up our chapel message and we were
• 32:25
  Speaker 15: dismissing the kids, and this camper came up to me
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  Speaker 15: and he just wanted to shake my hand and thank
• 32:31
  Speaker 15: me for the message. And as I took his hand,
• 32:34
  Speaker 15: he put his head on my shoulder and just began
• 32:37
  Speaker 15: bawling and crying, and I thought, what is going on?
• 32:41
  Speaker 15: And so once the chapel room kind of cleared out,
• 32:44
  Speaker 15: we sat down together, his counselor and I with him,
• 32:47
  Speaker 15: and he began to open up about the pain that
• 32:49
  Speaker 15: he was carrying due to his father's incarceration, you know,
• 32:53
  Speaker 15: and how that that absence, you know, it was just
• 32:57
  Speaker 15: a heavy burden for him, and really in some way
• 33:00
  Speaker 15: there was a lot of shame and things. He tried
• 33:03
  Speaker 15: to keep that hidden from other people. And so we
• 33:06
  Speaker 15: were able to process with him. You know how God
• 33:08
  Speaker 15: is a father who loves him, who will always be
• 33:10
  Speaker 15: there for him, and God restores and heals families, and
• 33:15
  Speaker 15: God has a plan for his life. And we were
• 33:17
  Speaker 15: able to pray together, and he left that room with
• 33:20
  Speaker 15: a renewed sense of hope for his future because he
• 33:23
  Speaker 15: recognized he didn't have to carry this heavy burden. He
• 33:26
  Speaker 15: could just embrace everything that God has for him. And yeah,
• 33:30
  Speaker 15: his dad was still incarcerated, but he walked out of
• 33:33
  Speaker 15: there and left camp that week with a renewed sense
• 33:36
  Speaker 15: of purpose.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Have you stayed in touch with him over the years.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Do you have any update on his story?
• 33:40
  Speaker 15: Since you know, once I stepped out of camping, I
• 33:43
  Speaker 15: did lose touch with him, but we did keep in
• 33:45
  Speaker 15: touch for a little while. He continued coming back to
• 33:48
  Speaker 15: camp until he aged out of the program. But yeah, yeah,
• 33:53
  Speaker 15: just the next year he came to camp again and
• 33:55
  Speaker 15: just was so thankful and for all that Camp had
• 33:59
  Speaker 15: done in his life, you know, and the experiences that
• 34:01
  Speaker 15: he had there, and his relationship with God was continuing
• 34:04
  Speaker 15: to grow.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: And so it's just that it's so exciting. Friends, if
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: you're listening to what Steve's saying and you say, well,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: how can I provide that for an Angel Tree child
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: this year? And again? Friends, that is that's the goal.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: That's that's getting them to a place that's beautiful and
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: having great experiences is a good thing, nothing wrong with that.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Love that, But if we don't pour Jesus into them
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: while they're there, we miss an opportunity. And so that's
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: what I love about Angel Tree camping. It is the
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: primary ingredient of what they're doing that these kids feel
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: loved by Jesus. They understand what he's done on their behalf,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: they understand what he's done on their parents' behalf. Angel
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Tree is not just in the business of getting prisoners
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: saved or getting children, you know, cared for. It is
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: in the business of reconciliation, of bringing families back together,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: of reuniting them with the God who made them, reconciling
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: their hearts to one another. It is a beautiful thing.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: And I just love everything that they do, and this,
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: this camping program is a big, big piece of that puzzle.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Eight eight eight two O six two seven nine four
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  Speaker 3: Be as generous as you can when you call eight
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  Speaker 3: eight eight two o six two seven ninety four triple
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  Speaker 3: eight two zero six two seven ninety four, or go
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: to that kevinshow dot com and click the angel tree
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: banner at the top of the page. Either way, it
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: shouldn't take more than two minutes to make your gift.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Send a kid to camp and then pray for that
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: that child whoever. You may not know their name or
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: anything else about them, but you know that your two
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars will take a kid to camp this summer.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Pray for them throughout the summer that God would work
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: in their heart, work in their life, and bring them
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: to Him. Eight eight eight two O six two seven
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  Speaker 12: Here, let's stick around for more of that. Kevin next
• 36:04
  Speaker 12: serving it up with a no drink mint. It's that
• 36:09
  Speaker 12: cabinet the show.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Welcome back, Kevin mcfella. Glad me with us.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: I coming up at the end of the show. I've
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: got some thoughts on something that happened last night that
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: I want to I just want to make sure that
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: I say because I've been thinking it all year and
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: it's one of those things where I've complained so badly
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: about some of the things that have gone so wrong,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: particularly in culture, particularly in entertainment, particularly in the music arena.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: That something happened last night that was incredible as it
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: was happening, and then the end result was just as incredible.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: And I'll bring some clarity to all that coming up.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: I do want to say that we cannot get one
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: hundred and sixty two kids to Christian camp this year
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: without your help. And you're gonna hear me whax eloquent
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: about this in the days to come. My friend Tom
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Traddap is on with me today. I am so grateful
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: for so much that happened in my life because of
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: the ability to go to a Christian camp to be
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: able to be taught about what understanding Jesus, who he was,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: and what he accomplished, and what his will is for
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: me and all the rest of that. That's a big
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: part of it. But in addition to that, this idea
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: that the relationships I made, the moments of study that
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I had to just not learn biblical passages or read Versus,
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: but then to sit in God's beauty, in God's nature
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: and reflect upon what that meant in the world around me,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: and to see the beauty of his setting sun, to
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: see the beauty of his creation, the beautiful lake and
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: forest and trees and stuff that I that I, you know,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: growing up in the suburbs. I wasn't a stranger to nature,
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: but it wasn't what I lived in. And if that's
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: true for me, friend, I just have to tell you,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: if it's true for me, it is doubly true for
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: the kids that Angel Trees trying to help because they
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: are growing up many times in an almost incarceration existence themselves. Yeah,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: it's their parent that has committed the crime and is
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: behind bars, but growing up in public housing, growing up
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: in run down neighborhoods, growing up in buildings with no
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  Speaker 3: air conditioning, growing up with just an existence that almost
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  Speaker 3: excludes nature to some degree, to then have the chance
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  Speaker 3: to get on a bus and drive to the country
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  Speaker 3: and see grass in blue sky and stars at night.
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  Speaker 3: There are literally kids that have gone to Angel Tree
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  Speaker 3: Camp who never saw stars before their first night of
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  Speaker 3: camp in their whole life. This is one of those
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  Speaker 3: things where I just hope you catch the vision for it,
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  Speaker 3: and we just have real quickly dozens of people that say,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, I can sponsor one, two, three, five
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  Speaker 3: kids at camp, and I want to do that and
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  Speaker 3: jump right in right now. A thousand dollars would take
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  Speaker 3: care of a week of camp for five children. For
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  Speaker 3: about one thousand dollars, I can send my kids away
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  Speaker 3: to sleep away camp one of them. I can send
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  Speaker 3: one of my kids away for a week of sleep
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  Speaker 3: away camp for about a thousand dollars. For a thousand
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  Speaker 3: dollars to Angel Tree, you could help maybe a brother
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  Speaker 3: and sister, or an entire family of kids, or maybe
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  Speaker 3: two families of kids have a week of camp that
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  Speaker 3: they would not have otherwise. And the best part of
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  Speaker 3: all of it is that they're going to be discipled
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  Speaker 3: by counselors who are not only Christians, who are not
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: only Christian counselors who want to help children, but that
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  Speaker 3: are children that came out of their some of their
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  Speaker 3: same backgrounds. Some of the counselors are kids started out
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  Speaker 3: going to Angeltree Camp, had their lives changed, became believers,
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  Speaker 3: dedicated their lives to Jesus, and are now participating with
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  Speaker 3: Angeltree to help the next generation of kids come to
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  Speaker 3: know Him. I just think it's an amazing thing, and
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  Speaker 3: Calm for everything related, including the opportunity to blow a
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: kid's mind. Literally, these kids that we're talking about, they're sad.
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  Speaker 3: They don't have much to look forward to. Summer's coming
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: up and it's not going to be a wonderful thing
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  Speaker 3: for them. It would likely be a very hot series
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  Speaker 3: of days in public housing and concrete boxes and all
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: kinds of things that are just so unattenable in terms
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: of like what you would think for you know, proper childhood.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: But the idea, the opportunity of sending these same children
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: instead to a Christian camp to experience nature, to see
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  Speaker 3: God's beauty, to activities they've never done before. That is
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: the miracle of Angel Tree Camp, and it is one
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: of the reasons why I am so excited to tell
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  Speaker 3: you about it, and joining me now is Betsy Wright,
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  Speaker 3: who is overseeing much of Prison Fellowship's operations with Angel Tree,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: and the whole emphasis Betsy of reaching these kids. Really,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: I tell people all the time, Prison Fellowship isn't just
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: about reforming people. It goes so far beyond that. It's
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: bringing people spiritual transformation and family reconciliation and connecting parents
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  Speaker 3: and kids that are otherwise separated by no fault of
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: the kids, but many times by the faults of the parents.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: But there's such a redemptive aspect of the inmates going
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: through the Bible studies, understanding their relationship to Jesus, many
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: times coming to faith requesting their kids be given an
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Angel Tree gift at Christmas or Angel Tree Camp in
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: the summer, and it's just there's few things that warm
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  Speaker 3: my heart as much as what you guys are doing.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, I am privileged to be able to get to
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  Speaker 10: do what I do at Prison Fellowship serving these families.
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  Speaker 10: You know, God redeems any story, and it's so great
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  Speaker 10: to be a part of his redemptive work of relationships
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  Speaker 10: that are broken between the person and our heavenly Father,
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  Speaker 10: but also within families, and so it's amazing to see
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  Speaker 10: those come together.
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  Speaker 3: Talk to us about Angel Tree Camp specifically for you,
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  Speaker 3: why is it so special?
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  Speaker 10: You know, I'm sure a lot of your listeners have
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  Speaker 10: probably been to summer camp and know that that is
• 44:42
  Speaker 10: just a special week of the summer to go hang
• 44:44
  Speaker 10: out with your friends, do the fun things. You're out
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  Speaker 10: of the house, you're away from parents. It's just a
• 44:51
  Speaker 10: fun time of just having fun. It's relating with friends
• 44:55
  Speaker 10: and just making those connections. But to children with incarcerated parents,
• 44:59
  Speaker 10: a lot of time, it's not part of their vocabulary.
• 45:02
  Speaker 10: It's not something parents grew up doing, it's something they've
• 45:05
  Speaker 10: never done. But when we can take a child out
• 45:10
  Speaker 10: of their experience, because these kids karrie a heavy burden,
• 45:17
  Speaker 10: not just a lot of times it's a single parent
• 45:19
  Speaker 10: home or they might be living with grandparents, and so
• 45:21
  Speaker 10: funding is so tight, they don't have access to a
• 45:26
  Speaker 10: lot of the fun things that normal kids would get
• 45:29
  Speaker 10: to do. And just the burden of having a parent
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  Speaker 10: who's incarcerated, that loss, that shame that comes with that
• 45:37
  Speaker 10: is a very lonely and isolating journey for these kids.
• 45:41
  Speaker 10: And so when we can take them and put them
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  Speaker 10: out in God's creation, surrounded by loving adults who are
• 45:50
  Speaker 10: going to love them and accept them as they are
• 45:53
  Speaker 10: and get to show the love of Jesus and the
• 45:56
  Speaker 10: hope that we find in Jesus, it is life informational
• 46:00
  Speaker 10: for these kids.
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  Speaker 3: That's so well said. And I'm thinking, you know, I
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: grew up my parents were law abiding. We didn't my
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: parents didn't smoke or drink or anything. I mean, we
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: were like you know, fundamentalist Baptist kids, Like we just
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: just stayed on the straight and narrow. But even in
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: a Christian home and a Christian environment, as a kid
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: from the suburbs, going to camp, Christian camp advanced my discipleship.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: It reinforced a commitment to the love of Jesus, that
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: he had saved me and that he had a plan
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  Speaker 3: for my life. And I remember how potently emotional camp was.
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  Speaker 3: When I when I got to the end of my
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: time at camp, it was I didn't want it to end.
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  Speaker 3: It was it was something so special and so connecting
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  Speaker 3: me to so many important aspects of my life and
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: what I really wanted my life to be. And I
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: have to think that for a kid in the suburbs
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: who didn't really have any major needs or anything like that,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: that they walked away with that kind of experience, that
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: for kids that are in these circumstances, and a lot
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: of them in very hard living situations. I mean, these
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: kids get so many messages that are the opposite of
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: anything I experienced growing up. I can only imagine that
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: the camp experience is going to be something that explodes
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: their heart with love and emotion in ways that it's
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: very hard for some of us to even imagine.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think sometimes we discount the experience, the spiritual
• 47:38
  Speaker 10: journey that kids go on. I mean that we think
• 47:41
  Speaker 10: as it oh, where their kids they don't really understand
• 47:45
  Speaker 10: wait till they get older. Then they can make an impact.
• 47:48
  Speaker 10: But God does amazing things in calling children to Him
• 47:53
  Speaker 10: and bringing healing to kids. Whether it doesn't matter where
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: they grew up, right, doesn't matter if they grew up
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  Speaker 10: in a Christian home or a broken home.
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  Speaker 2: I'm God.
• 48:05
  Speaker 10: The Holy Spirit within the spirit within us talks to
• 48:08
  Speaker 10: the Holy Spirit. You know, there's communion there and he
• 48:12
  Speaker 10: comforts these kids. And it's amazing to see that they
• 48:20
  Speaker 10: begin to lead at home. You know, they come back transform.
• 48:25
  Speaker 10: They come back having encountered our Heavenly Father at camp
• 48:29
  Speaker 10: and their spirit is changed and they start to lead
• 48:32
  Speaker 10: in the home in that way and bring that message home.
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  Speaker 10: Like I hear all the times the kids come home
• 48:38
  Speaker 10: singing the songs, right, they're fun songs that the message
• 48:41
  Speaker 10: in those songs stick with you and you remember through music,
• 48:45
  Speaker 10: they're reading their Bibles and so the parents are seeing
• 48:48
  Speaker 10: this change behavior. The child is completely different from when
• 48:53
  Speaker 10: they left, and it impacts that and the child's like,
• 48:56
  Speaker 10: I want to go to church. And so they're leading
• 48:58
  Speaker 10: in those spaces and they can be the voice that
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  Speaker 10: changes a family.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Every one of the one hundred and sixty two kids
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  Speaker 3: that are on the list of names that we're asking
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  Speaker 3: you to help get scholarships for for camp. Every one
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  Speaker 3: of them have a parent in prison. Every one of
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: them have gone through the prison program and requested that
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: their child be given the opportunity to be considered. And
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: every one of these kids, friends, are children that I
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  Speaker 3: believe desperately need the Gospel, and once they interact with
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: it and feel it at work in their life, it
• 49:39
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  Speaker 3: hopelessness and kind of decay about society and life to
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  Speaker 3: one that you just heard Betsy describe, takes on new hope,
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  Speaker 3: So glad to have you with us at that Kevin Show,
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• 51:27
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  Speaker 3: Ja dash Pende was there, but we had such a
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• 51:42
  Speaker 3: you the little bit that we got to in between
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: the sessions and that evening for the event. You are
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  Speaker 3: a policy analyst for independent women, and you really hone
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  Speaker 3: in on the educational issues. And recently there was something
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  Speaker 3: called the Yale Report on Higher Ed Reform. What what
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: were they looking at?
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, so Yale basically put together a committee and they
• 52:06
  Speaker 16: decided to look at They called it the Report of
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  Speaker 16: the Yale Committee on Trust in Higher Education, and they
• 52:13
  Speaker 16: acknowledged that trust has died the public, that the public
• 52:17
  Speaker 16: does not trust universities anymore, and.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Specifically they were looking at its impact on them too.
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  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, absolutely, But it was both right.
• 52:25
  Speaker 16: It was it was that they were looking at the
• 52:27
  Speaker 16: impact on universities, but they were also really considering public trust.
• 52:31
  Speaker 16: Like I don't think it was just a oh no,
• 52:35
  Speaker 16: the Trump administration is coming after us. I think there
• 52:37
  Speaker 16: was just a real sense of like, yeah, we've spent
• 52:40
  Speaker 16: the past.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Fiftye we lost our way kind of thing.
• 52:43
  Speaker 16: Yeah, And I think it's I think for the first
• 52:47
  Speaker 16: time in god knows how long, honestly, I mean, there's
• 52:52
  Speaker 16: there's some real semblance of reform coming through in higher education.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Well what did the what did the report find?
• 52:59
  Speaker 16: Well, so the report found that, you know, it's not
• 53:02
  Speaker 16: even necessarily things like ideology, although ideology is part of it.
• 53:07
  Speaker 16: There are so many factors going into the decline of
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  Speaker 16: trust and higher eds. So you can look at, for instance,
• 53:14
  Speaker 16: the cost of admissions. I mean, I'm the cost of tuition, right.
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  Speaker 16: So the public has lost trust and higher ED in
• 53:21
  Speaker 16: large part because.
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: Tuition is crazy.
• 53:25
  Speaker 16: You know, when when a four year degree is running
• 53:28
  Speaker 16: kids straight out of high school into hundreds of thousands
• 53:32
  Speaker 16: of dollars of debt. You know, the average debt is
• 53:34
  Speaker 16: about thirty thousand in America, So it's not it's not
• 53:39
  Speaker 16: as bad as it could be. Some of those those
• 53:41
  Speaker 16: higher end numbers are skewed, but thirty thousand is still
• 53:43
  Speaker 16: a lot of money to to sort of, you know,
• 53:46
  Speaker 16: start out, you know, in life without.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: And you're tag with yeah, exactly. And I think some
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: people think that that's especially true when they look at
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: the endowments of places like Harvard and Yale and some
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: of the especially and they've got millions and millions in
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: endowment and they're still charging insane costs for a product
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: that essentially doesn't really change, like there's it's not like
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: they're making more advanced technological pieces of machinery or something
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: where you need more rare earth minerals or something that
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: increases the price of it. This is this is education.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: A lot of these are tenured professors that just come
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: back year after year. They're teaching the same course. You know,
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: places like Liberty University have figured out if you digitize
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: these things, you can actually reduce rates in the cost
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: of kids studying the courses and enroll a lot more kids,
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: you know, universally through you know, virtual programs. I think
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: the university model generally is not a bad business itself,
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: but I don't think people trust it when the prices
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: keep going up.
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  Speaker 16: And I mean, the funny thing is right, especially when
• 54:54
  Speaker 16: it comes to Elie collegis like Yale, these ivs with
• 54:58
  Speaker 16: multi billion dollar in dowmonds, they're actually the ones that
• 55:02
  Speaker 16: cost the least. So if you're, like from a middle
• 55:04
  Speaker 16: class family earning less than two hundred thousand dollars, you
• 55:07
  Speaker 16: are not paying anything in Yale tuition. That is, that
• 55:10
  Speaker 16: is how their tuition pricing works. The problem is the
• 55:14
  Speaker 16: lack of transparency, right, and so what ends up happening
• 55:18
  Speaker 16: is that students don't actually know how much they're going
• 55:21
  Speaker 16: to pay, and they don't understand that the price tag
• 55:25
  Speaker 16: isn't necessarily they're what they're actually with their family will
• 55:29
  Speaker 16: actually have to pay.
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: But it doesn't matter necessarily.
• 55:34
  Speaker 16: That they're going to get this discount after all this
• 55:37
  Speaker 16: you know, convoluted fafts, fa you know work and you know,
• 55:41
  Speaker 16: typing in all their parents' assets and you know, debts
• 55:44
  Speaker 16: and this and that that that matters less than the
• 55:48
  Speaker 16: price tag itself psychologically for people. So psychologically people care
• 55:52
  Speaker 16: more about the number that says, oh yeah, like tuition,
• 55:55
  Speaker 16: room board, and food are all going to cost, you know,
• 55:59
  Speaker 16: one hundred thousand. When people see that, they're like, that's crazy,
• 56:02
  Speaker 16: even if they would be paying zero at a place
• 56:06
  Speaker 16: like Yale. I actually think places that are non elite colleges.
• 56:11
  Speaker 16: So you have these very small liberal art college liberal
• 56:14
  Speaker 16: arts colleges shutting down increasingly around the country, and they're
• 56:18
  Speaker 16: shutting down because they actually have the real financial problems.
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: Places like Yale aren't.
• 56:23
  Speaker 16: But the places like Yale are the ones that define
• 56:26
  Speaker 16: public perceptions.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: Places like Yale and Harvard do, though, have presidents that
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: went before Congress and defended heinous actions by faculty and campuses,
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: especially when it came to anti Semitism and some other things.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Over the last couple of years. Do you think those
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: those testimonies given kind of in public injured the view
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: of universities generally speaking.
• 56:53
  Speaker 16: I one hundred percent think they do. And listen, I mean,
• 56:55
  Speaker 16: the Yale report also goes into free speech, so you know,
• 56:59
  Speaker 16: they're are saying finally that, yeah, we should care about
• 57:02
  Speaker 16: free speech.
• 57:03
  Speaker 7: That's art, that's part of our mission as university.
• 57:06
  Speaker 16: But when you look at what happened with the anti
• 57:09
  Speaker 16: semitism hearings, you know, a couple of years ago at
• 57:12
  Speaker 16: this point, and those were like I think the really
• 57:15
  Speaker 16: bad ones were Columbia, MIT and Harvard. If those were
• 57:21
  Speaker 16: the presidents who like really goofed Yale.
• 57:24
  Speaker 7: Yale was not involved in that stuff.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: I don't think they could have done worse. Let's put
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: it that way.
• 57:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they could have done worse.
• 57:29
  Speaker 16: And I think, I mean, beyond the Israel Palestine issue,
• 57:33
  Speaker 16: beyond the anti Semitism issue. Even I think the sort
• 57:37
  Speaker 16: of crazy thing for the American public to watch with
• 57:40
  Speaker 16: those presidents was like not only how out of touch
• 57:43
  Speaker 16: they are with reality, Like they just clearly had never
• 57:46
  Speaker 16: been confronted with any form of criticism before, which which
• 57:50
  Speaker 16: was very apparent in how they spoke to you know, Congress,
• 57:55
  Speaker 16: to the to the people's you know, to Congress. Yeah,
• 57:59
  Speaker 16: to the repersentives of the people. But I think it
• 58:03
  Speaker 16: also came out in terms of this was the first
• 58:05
  Speaker 16: time they started saying, oh, but we care about free speech.
• 58:08
  Speaker 16: And it's like, okay, well fine, but you have not
• 58:11
  Speaker 16: cared about free speech for decades, right like you. You
• 58:15
  Speaker 16: have marginalized conservative voices. You have marginalized anybody who dare
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  Speaker 16: say that a man is a man and a woman
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  Speaker 16: as a woman. You have marginalized. I mean so many
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  Speaker 16: people who you know, were falsely accused of sexual harassment,
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  Speaker 16: who were accused of racism on sort.
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  Speaker 7: Of very trumped up charges.
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  Speaker 16: I just think when people see these university presidents suddenly
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  Speaker 16: caring about free.
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  Speaker 7: Speech, it's like, well, no, you don't.
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  Speaker 16: You're just kind of trying to save your you know,
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  Speaker 16: you're trying to save your all.
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  Speaker 3: L Let me ask you this, what about the curriculum.
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  Speaker 3: Was there anything that the Yell Report looked at by
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  Speaker 3: way of actual courses themselves or you know, ideology within courses.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean they talked about they have a section
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  Speaker 16: on politics and intellectual pluralism, and they have a section
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  Speaker 16: on the classroom.
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  Speaker 7: So they do really talk about, you know, a lot
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  Speaker 7: of work, they.
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  Speaker 16: Say, you know, I'm trying to read directly from the document.
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  Speaker 16: Our committee spoke with hundreds of Yale students, faculty, alumni,
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  Speaker 16: and administrators about the issue of ideological conformity. No subject
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  Speaker 16: we took up was more contested. Many students who self
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  Speaker 16: identified as conservatives said they had found a real home
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  Speaker 16: at Yale, both in the classroom at Beyond and Beyond,
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  Speaker 16: but they also said there were classes in communities at
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  Speaker 16: Yale where they felt their perspectives were not welcomed or respected.
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  Speaker 16: We heard similar concerns from alumni, and so they did. Actually,
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  Speaker 16: they were quite they're quite honest about that. I think
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  Speaker 16: that's one reason that the report has broken through. That
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  Speaker 16: it's not it doesn't seem like it's just sort of
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  Speaker 16: like a political you know, signaling to save their next
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  Speaker 16: like the Claudine Gay hearing from several years ago from
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  Speaker 3: I think, see, what do you think the results of
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  Speaker 3: this report are going to be amongst their peers? Have
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  Speaker 3: they have they heard from universities taking a look at
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  Speaker 16: I think so yeah, I mean I think this report
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  Speaker 16: has been widely covered in the mainstream media, obviously in
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  Speaker 16: about higher education.
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  Speaker 7: So I do think.
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  Speaker 16: I mean, when you see something like this getting that
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  Speaker 16: level of breakthrough, that that does say something to me.
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  Speaker 16: I also think in general, you know, this is potentially
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  Speaker 16: Yale leading the way for other elite institutions, and then
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  Speaker 16: as elite institutions go, so does everyone else.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm honestly optimistic.
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  Speaker 16: Somebody was asking me last night at you know, this
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  Speaker 16: event on higher education, you know, how are you feeling
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  Speaker 16: about all this, and said, you know what, at least
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  Speaker 16: we can kind of agree broadly, despite like regardless of
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  Speaker 14: One of the things that they tell me is that,
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  Speaker 3: we've we've never dealt with this type of issue before.
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  Speaker 11: That's right, Kevin, This this is new. This is a subject,
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  Speaker 11: a topic that a lot of parents are uncomfortable talking about.
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  Speaker 11: There's a lot of shame, but it's really quite quite normal,
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  Speaker 11: especially developmentally for young children. It's about hitting. What do
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  Speaker 11: you do when your child hits, hits their siblings, hits you,
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  Speaker 11: hits their friends. And today we're talking about young children, toddlers,
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  Speaker 11: you know, two, three, four or five year olds. In
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  Speaker 11: future discussions we'll talk about teens and that's a whole
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  Speaker 11: different thing and middle school kids, but today it's the
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  Speaker 11: young ones. So key points, Kevin. Young kids big emotions,
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  Speaker 11: really huge emotions, and they just don't know how to
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  Speaker 11: handle it. They don't know how to regulate how they're feeling.
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  Speaker 11: Your staying calm is the most crucial. That is key.
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  Speaker 11: And also being a great role model, Kevin. I know
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  Speaker 11: you were a fabulous role model with your kids, I
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  Speaker 11: have no doubt about it. And you don't want to
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  Speaker 11: hit your kids in response to seeing them hit. So
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  Speaker 11: those are the basic kind of rules of the world.
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  Speaker 11: And by the way, to get those long conversations about
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  Speaker 11: we don't hit and blah blah blah, you're great, but
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  Speaker 11: not in the middle of a meldown. Your toddler can't
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  Speaker 11: hear you. They've lost it. These are the conversations you
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  Speaker 11: have during the week on a regular basis. They're important,
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  Speaker 11: they're wonderful, but not in the middle of the meltdown.
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  Speaker 11: So why are your kids hitting? Just some basics again,
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  Speaker 11: inability to communicate. The research shows that late talkers have
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  Speaker 11: the highest incidents of temper tantrums and hitting other children
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  Speaker 11: because they can't express their feelings. So sometimes just the
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  Speaker 11: inability to communicate is what's setting your child off. Lack
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  Speaker 11: of self control. They don't understand how to delay gratification,
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  Speaker 11: they haven't learned it yet. They want it now. They
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  Speaker 11: can't understand why it is they have to wait for anything.
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  Speaker 11: Sometimes it's the need to feel powerful. They see an
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  Speaker 11: older child in the playground who gets what they want
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  Speaker 11: by grabbing that toy, and they're thinking, Oh, I guess
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  Speaker 11: that's what you do. It might also be that your
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  Speaker 11: child is hungry or over stimulated or just playing tired.
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  Speaker 11: Could it be childhood trauma. Could it be that there's
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  Speaker 11: physical or sect will be something going on at school
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  Speaker 11: with a caregiver at home without question, and this might
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  Speaker 11: be your child's way of letting you know something is very,
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  Speaker 11: very wrong. And in this case, mom and dad, you
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  Speaker 11: need to be a detective and fast. But today again,
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  Speaker 11: we're talking about the garden variety. You've got that toddler
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  Speaker 11: and they're just lashing out because they want that toy,
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  Speaker 11: or they don't want to leave the playground and they're
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  Speaker 11: hitting you, they're hitting another child, or they're hitting your sibling.
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  Speaker 11: So what do you do to stop your child from hitting?
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  Speaker 11: Number One? Act early. Look for that sign in their
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  Speaker 11: body language or in their eyes that something is going
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  Speaker 11: to happen. You want to really try and intervene before
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  Speaker 11: they hit once, and you can do this. You can
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  Speaker 11: do this by distracting them, changing the subject, introducing a
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  Speaker 11: new game, leading them into another room, suggesting that they
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  Speaker 11: go for a walk. But once they reach that critical
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  Speaker 11: place where they they're now hitting mom and dad, you
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  Speaker 11: have to immediately intervene immediately and let them know that
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  Speaker 11: hitting hurts, and I won't let you do this. Validate
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  Speaker 11: their feelings, let them know, I know you're angry. I
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  Speaker 11: know you're really angry. You want that toy. I know
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  Speaker 11: you're really angry. You're hitting because you don't want to
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  Speaker 11: leave the playground. But it doesn't mean that there aren't consequences.
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  Speaker 11: The consequence can be for one or two minutes, you
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  Speaker 11: remove them from the situation, you know, you walk them
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  Speaker 11: out to another room. What you can do during the week,
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  Speaker 11: not in the middle of a meltdown, but during the week,
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  Speaker 11: is to talk about why hitting is not good, Explain
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  Speaker 11: what a gentle touch is, and then give your children
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  Speaker 11: all the things that they can do when they get really, really,
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  Speaker 11: really mad and they want to hit. You can talk
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  Speaker 11: about hitting the pillow, clenching their fists and roaring like
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  Speaker 11: a lion, hugging themselves an adult to tell that they're
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  Speaker 11: so mad they're going to hit somebody, talking to their
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 11: stuffed animals. But these are the kinds of things you
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  Speaker 11: do not in the middle of a meltdown, but in
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 11: conversations on a regular basis throughout the week. Make sure
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  Speaker 11: that you have enough one on one time with your kids,
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  Speaker 11: because sometimes kids are hitting because they're not getting enough
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  Speaker 11: attention and they're angry and they're mad, but they're mad
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 11: that they want more of you. And make sure that
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  Speaker 11: you praise your kids enough because to give them, you know,
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  Speaker 11: positive praise for all the great stuff they're doing, so
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 11: not just bringing attention to when they're acting out. Don't
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 11: try to reason with that child again in the middle
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  Speaker 11: of the meltdown. A great book, a great love. I
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  Speaker 11: love this book What to Do When you feel like Hitting.
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  Speaker 11: That's by doctor Kara Goodwin, and they give you tons
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  Speaker 11: of things that you can model for your child, you know,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 11: like clenching your fists and roaring like a lion, singing,
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  Speaker 11: going into your tent in your room, and holding your
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 11: stuffed animal. And a great web website for additional suggestions.
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  Speaker 11: Kevin mommm mom junction dot com how to Stop a
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  Speaker 11: Child from Hitting had some great suggestions. Kevin.
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  Speaker 3: Your thoughts, Well, this is really practical, and I think
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: that if you have kids on the spectrum that are
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: already noncommunicative or other things, that you may have some
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: of these symptoms show up. We didn't necessarily have kids
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  Speaker 3: that hit other kids or hit us, But my oldest,
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  Speaker 3: my Latin math science, chemistry nerd genius kid, he when
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  Speaker 3: he was very little, he didn't engage kids in conversation.
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  Speaker 3: He would go up and chest bump them, and it
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  Speaker 3: was that was his way of saying hello. He'd chest
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  Speaker 3: bump you, and he'd bump into you and he'd and
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  Speaker 3: the kid would look at him like, what'd you do
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  Speaker 3: that for? And he was he just didn't communicate well,
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  Speaker 3: he communicates great. Now we got him some good help.
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  Speaker 3: But that physical activity does replace the verbal ability, especially
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  Speaker 3: to be clear when they're confused about feelings and so forth.
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  Speaker 3: But I think these are all really, really helpful. And
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  Speaker 3: I think that the thing that you said that I
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  Speaker 3: agree with the most is distraction. I think if you
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  Speaker 3: can turn their head onto something else, get them thinking
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  Speaker 3: about something else, it just works out ten times better
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  Speaker 3: every single time.
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  Speaker 11: I agree with you, Kevin, Distraction is key with toddlers.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, all right, Shelley, thank you so much, have a
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  Speaker 3: great week. We'll talk to you again next time.
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  Speaker 11: Thank you, Kevin.
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  Speaker 3: Kevin McCollough coming back from Times Square. It's that Kevin's shows.
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  Speaker 12: Stick around for more of that, Kevin next, serving it up.
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  Speaker 12: That's a no drink mental. It's that the show.
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  Speaker 3: All right, friends, Kevin McCullough. Glad to have you with us.
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  Speaker 3: Just a few minutes left in today's show. And I
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  Speaker 3: just want to reiterate what I said earlier. If there
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  Speaker 3: are five of you that will stand with us today,
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  Speaker 3: that will say I am not going to let these
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  Speaker 3: precious kids who have nothing working in their favor. They
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  Speaker 3: don't have a stable home life. They don't have two
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  Speaker 3: parents that aren't in prison. They don't have so much
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  Speaker 3: in life they are robbed of, and yet they have this.
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  Speaker 3: They have all of this in common. They have a
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  Speaker 3: parent who's in prison, who has gone through the Bible
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  Speaker 3: Study program for Angel Tree Prison Fellowship and in prison
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  Speaker 3: for the prison Fellowship Angel Tree program. Once they've completed it,
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  Speaker 3: they have asked. They've been given the opportunity, and they
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  Speaker 3: have re quested. They have nominated, if you will their
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  Speaker 3: child to be allowed to go to a prison Fellowship
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  Speaker 3: Angel Tree camp this summer in all fifty states, for
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  Speaker 3: the one closest to them to be able to go
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  Speaker 3: to an Angel Tree camp this summer, so that they
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  Speaker 3: can experience Jesus, so that their child can know the
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  Speaker 3: God who made them, so that they can begin to
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  Speaker 3: learn about how God loves them and why it's so important.
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  Speaker 3: And friends, my earnest pleading with you is that today
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  Speaker 3: we would help at least five children, that five of
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  Speaker 3: you would be courageous enough to say, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: care about these kids that nobody else cares about. The
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  Speaker 3: rest of the world has given up on them. Their
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  Speaker 3: parents are in prison, they're getting what their family deserves.
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  Speaker 3: That's how everybody else thinks about it. We as followers
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  Speaker 3: of Jesus, we should be thinking about it from the
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  Speaker 3: perspective of what does Jesus want for these kids? What
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  Speaker 3: if one of them turns out to be the Billy
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  Speaker 3: Graham of his generation. What if one if one of
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  Speaker 3: these Angel Tree kids this year finds Jesus and spends
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  Speaker 3: eternity in Heaven in ways that they don't even understand
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  Speaker 3: or realize could be possible. Now, friends, it's so vital,
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  Speaker 3: and that's why I put the challenge out there. I
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  Speaker 3: will match the first five children that we send to
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  Speaker 3: camp today at eight eight eight two o six two
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  Speaker 3: seven nine four eight eight eight two o six two
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  Speaker 3: seven ninety four. I'm going to match you child for child. Personally,
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  Speaker 3: I need five of you to go and say, take
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  Speaker 3: a name off the list. I'm taking care of that
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  Speaker 3: child's scholarship to camp. The only way these kids get
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  Speaker 3: to camp is through scholarships because they don't have money.
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  Speaker 3: And Angel Tree understands how expensive camping is. If you
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  Speaker 3: go to a commercial camp, you're paying five hundred to
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  Speaker 3: one thousand dollars for the week of sleep away camp.
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  Speaker 3: For that kid. They're doing it for two hundred dollars
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  Speaker 3: per child in all fifty states. Kids whose parents are incarcerated,
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  Speaker 3: who under no fault of the child at all, find
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  Speaker 3: themselves living in a situation that's horrible. You rescue them
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  Speaker 3: out of that. You take them to the beautiful outdoors.
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  Speaker 3: They ride a horse, they swim, They learn about Jesus,
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  Speaker 3: They open their Bible, they begin a relationship with him.
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  Speaker 3: They make friends with other kids that have had similar circumstances.
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  Speaker 3: They wrote when they show up thinking nobody's gonna like
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  Speaker 3: them because their parents are in prison. Friends, this is
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  Speaker 3: such unadulterated good. How can we not help? How can
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  Speaker 3: we not help when the future the salvation of these
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  Speaker 3: children hang in the balance. Friends, my plea with you is,
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  Speaker 3: will you join me in this effort and I will
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  Speaker 3: put my money where my mouth is. I need five
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  Speaker 3: people to stand up and say, yes, we will help
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  Speaker 3: a child today. Kevin, We've been listening to you for
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  Speaker 3: the first three days. Now it's time to take action.
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  Speaker 3: When we're ready to go, Friends, there's one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: sixty two kids on my list. I want all of
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  Speaker 3: them to be sent to Angeltree Camp this summer. Please
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