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Patriots Unfiltered 9/15: Week 1 Leftovers, Rehashing the Offense, Team/League Updates · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, presented by Toyota.com.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome back to hour 13 of the Patriots Post Game Show.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm a Seattle fan, I loved your questions.
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  Speaker 5: Who would you rather be this morning? It's a great question.
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  Speaker 5: I don't have an answer for it. That's why I
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  Speaker 5: ignored it.
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  Speaker 6: You were right.
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  Speaker 1: You got it.
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  Speaker 5: You were right.
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  Speaker 7: Paul.
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  Speaker 5: You were right. I was wrong.
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  Speaker 1: You were right.
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  Speaker 2: Guess what?
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  Speaker 8: The team was not prepared, and they weren't focused.
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  Speaker 5: You were right.
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  Speaker 2: No, Paul.
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  Speaker 9: You want to make it about... Okay, great.
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  Speaker 10: No, you were right.
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  Speaker 5: What do you want me to tell you?
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  Speaker 11: You were right.
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  Speaker 1: Week one, and, you know, we just.
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  Speaker 4: You need to have a little bit of, like, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not going to quite jump off the bridge, trade Drake May, and,
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  Speaker 4: you know, go back into a cocoon for the next
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  Speaker 4: seven years.
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  Speaker 10: Hey, guys.
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  Speaker 9: How y'all doing?
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 9: How y'all doing?
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  Speaker 2: Especially the quarterback position. They call it whizzing off, at
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  Speaker 2: least where I come from.
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  Speaker 5: This is Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 2: Presented by Toyota.com.
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  Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 12: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here at Gillette Stadium.
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  Speaker 2: And boy, we've got some work to do here because things,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of people are really worried. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we're among the 16 teams that didn't start off with
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  Speaker 2: a win. So we've got We've got some work to
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  Speaker 2: do here, but I'm going to tell you right now,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to make an early prediction. I know we
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  Speaker 2: do our picks on Thursday, but I am so adamant
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  Speaker 2: about my pick this week that I'll give it to
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  Speaker 2: you right now. Pittsburgh going to pay. They're going to
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  Speaker 2: pay for our pain. I'm telling you, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a whomping on, hey, listen, I was the only
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  Speaker 2: one to be 100% right on the Patriots last week.
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  Speaker 1: Right? You picked him to lose, but you picked him
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  Speaker 1: with the spread?
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 11: I think I picked the same.
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  Speaker 2: So don't get into the old Homer thing with me
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I picked Seattle to win the game. I think
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  Speaker 7: Evan had Seattle in the Patriots. I had Seattle to cover.
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  Speaker 7: I didn't know the quarterback was going to get hurt,
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  Speaker 7: but I should have because it was the Patriots' plan.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, I have a feeling for the team, as we
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  Speaker 2: all know, and they are going to stomp off.
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  Speaker 1: In fact.
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  Speaker 2: Not that I wish injury on anyone, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if Aaron Rodgers.
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  Speaker 1: Is going to finish the game. I thought he looked
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  Speaker 1: pretty good.
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  Speaker 4: Couldn't really throw the ball down the field. Yesterday we
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  Speaker 4: heard Vrabes say that he moved around a little better
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  Speaker 4: than he did last year.
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  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is Aaron Rodgers, but I'm just telling you,
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  Speaker 2: as a team, we're going to step all over Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 1: I think they need it, Fred. I think they need it.
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  Speaker 1: You asked me this morning.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's a little bit of a crisis in
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  Speaker 4: confidence because they've, you know, what is this, five straight
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  Speaker 4: games that, you know, it hasn't looked great. It's been
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  Speaker 4: tough sledding. Admittedly against some good teams, most of it
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  Speaker 4: in the playoffs. You play the Super Bowl team twice, but...
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  Speaker 4: I think you need to get back on that. All right,
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  Speaker 4: we believe in Drake May. He looks like an MVP candidate.
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  Speaker 4: Right now it feels like a little bit in the blender.
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  Speaker 13: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: Cover two, playing high, guys, not letting him play the
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  Speaker 4: way he wants to play. Can he learn to take
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  Speaker 4: the easy stuff?
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  Speaker 1: We don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't on the post-game show. I wasn't here for
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  Speaker 2: Thursday's show. So you tell me, like, is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: your own sentiment and the sentiment of the people. Was
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  Speaker 2: the game a disaster, or were there things to be
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  Speaker 2: taken positively out of the game?
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  Speaker 5: I don't think the game was a disaster.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 7: I thought it was a disappointing result. I think they
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  Speaker 7: had the game.
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  Speaker 5: I.
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  Speaker 7: Was obviously being snarky, but when Darnold goes out, that's
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  Speaker 7: a game you really should win. So now you don't
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  Speaker 7: have to score a lot of points to.
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  Speaker 5: Win the game. I thought they got a little... conservative.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't love the game plan.
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  Speaker 7: I didn't love the fact that they wanted to go
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  Speaker 7: in and, and run so much on early downs, but
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  Speaker 7: you guys did hear from, from Mike and I, I'm
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  Speaker 7: more concerned, uh, are more interested in, in hearing from
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  Speaker 7: Evan and you, because we didn't get you a take. I, I,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, that, that's kind of the way it, I mean,
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  Speaker 7: we all know they lost the, they had a game.
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  Speaker 7: I don't want, I don't want to say the game
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  Speaker 7: was in hand. It was only 10, nothing, but You know,
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  Speaker 7: you turn the ball over three times in a quarter,
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  Speaker 7: you're probably going to lose.
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  Speaker 5: And they lost.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 5: You know, to a really good team on the road,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it's a disaster. Seattle's, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's kind of how I feel.
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  Speaker 2: That's very good. I'm less like, like, obviously, Darnold goes out,
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  Speaker 2: and you're bringing in Drew Locke, and you're like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: here we go. But then I was thinking about it, like,
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  Speaker 2: toward the second half, and I'm like, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: Going into this game, I wasn't worried about Seattle's offense.
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  Speaker 2: I was worried about Seattle's defense in our offense. And
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  Speaker 2: how are we going to be executed? Are we going
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  Speaker 2: to have a repeat of the Super Bowl? Or this year,
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  Speaker 2: this time around, are we going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: execute our offense better than we did in the Super Bowl?
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  Speaker 2: And so I'm like, okay, so you can say, well,
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  Speaker 2: Darnold goes out. There's no way you should lose. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: there is a way you can lose this game if
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  Speaker 2: you can't operate your offense. I think that, and I
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  Speaker 2: think that was the story. I think the story was
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  Speaker 2: Seattle's defense was, Just shutting us down in the second half.
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  Speaker 2: So even though we only let up 13 points, even
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  Speaker 2: though we only let up 13 points, we couldn't score
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  Speaker 2: in the second half. And I think that was the difference.
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  Speaker 2: And like you said, Paul, you throw three interceptions in
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  Speaker 2: the fourth quarter of a tight game, you're going to lose.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to lose. So that, to me, the story.
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  Speaker 2: And then I think that bleeds into Drake May. We
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  Speaker 2: have to talk about Drake May and what we saw
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  Speaker 2: and what you think that means going forward.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Evan.
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  Speaker 14: I understand that we've been waiting seven months for the
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  Speaker 14: Patriots to play football again.
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  Speaker 11: And this is the.
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  Speaker 14: Game finally rolls around. There's a lot of anticipation and excitement.
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  Speaker 14: The overreaction to them losing one football game has been
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  Speaker 14: classic week one. And I also don't think it helps
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  Speaker 14: that they have 11 days off in between games now.
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  Speaker 14: So there's a lot of time to talk about this
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  Speaker 14: game and marinate in this game. I thought this was
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  Speaker 14: a game that they had won for three quarters. And
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  Speaker 14: I actually, I understand some of the criticisms that Paul
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  Speaker 14: brought up about the play calling and about the conservative approach,
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  Speaker 14: if you want to call it that. I thought they
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  Speaker 14: played the game the way they thought they needed to
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  Speaker 14: play it to win the game.
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  Speaker 2: I agree.
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  Speaker 14: And so I thought for three quarters, they did exactly
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  Speaker 14: what they set out to do game plan wise. And
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  Speaker 14: then just calling a spade a spade, Drake May threw
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  Speaker 14: the game away. He threw the game away. He threw
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  Speaker 14: three picks on three consecutive drives, trying to push the
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  Speaker 14: ball down the field, doing exactly what they were telling
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  Speaker 14: him all night not to do, which was just take
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  Speaker 14: the profits, take what the defense has given you, take
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  Speaker 14: the easy money. And he decided to push the ball
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  Speaker 14: down the field, three straight drives, three straight picks.
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  Speaker 11: Seattle wins the game.
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  Speaker 14: If you just stick with the game plan and kept
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  Speaker 14: checking the ball down like he had in the first
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  Speaker 14: three quarters, they win the game.
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  Speaker 2: The one he threw after the Dobbs dropped was a
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  Speaker 2: frustration one. He kind of forced it into three people
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  Speaker 2: because he was still thinking about the drop, I think.
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  Speaker 14: I think he said it himself. He got impatient. I
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  Speaker 14: don't think it's any more than that. I understand everybody's
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  Speaker 14: trying to do an autopsy and figure out all these
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  Speaker 14: different reasons why they lost this game.
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  Speaker 11: They had the game in hand. They had control of
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  Speaker 11: the game.
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  Speaker 14: And they were at the Seattle 45-yard line on second
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  Speaker 14: and nine, and he tries to force the ball into
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  Speaker 14: a tight window down the field against a good defense,
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  Speaker 14: and they pick him off. And the game from that
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  Speaker 14: point on, on the Dobbs pick, just kind of unravels
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  Speaker 14: on him from there. And he has Corey Kiner on
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  Speaker 14: the check down right in the flat for a nice eight,
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  Speaker 14: 10 yard game. Like they've been doing all game long.
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  Speaker 14: And that completely changes the course of the game. Like
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  Speaker 14: if he throws the ball down to the Kiner there,
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  Speaker 14: you know, do they just kick a field goal?
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  Speaker 11: Now it's 13 to three again. And now you got
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  Speaker 11: a 10 point late.
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  Speaker 2: You got your two score game.
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  Speaker 14: So it, I understand, I'm not saying that it's all 100%
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  Speaker 14: Drake Mays' fault, but this felt like one of those
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  Speaker 14: games where it was very clearly like the quarterback turned
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  Speaker 14: the ball over three times in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 14: And we don't have to overcomplicate it.
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  Speaker 2: And like you said, Josh McDaniel's got a lot of criticism. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: he's being too conservative. He's doing this. I think... What
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  Speaker 2: he was doing started to show fruits in the second half.
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  Speaker 2: The runs were a lot better in the second half
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  Speaker 2: than in the first half.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't see that.
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 7: I saw two good runs on the last drive when
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  Speaker 7: they're playing hurry up to try to go down the field,
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  Speaker 7: and they caught him a couple. I think they had
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  Speaker 7: a 10-yard run and an 8-yard run.
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  Speaker 5: On the last drive. It wasn't really the only two
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  Speaker 5: good runs of the night.
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  Speaker 14: The bigger thing to me, though, isn't necessarily about the
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  Speaker 14: body blows and them wearing down Seattle. It was managing
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  Speaker 14: the pressure by the Seahawks. So on the one hand,
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  Speaker 14: we can sit here and say the offensive line and
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  Speaker 14: pass protection looked a lot better. Well, they dropped back
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  Speaker 14: past a lot less. than they did in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 14: So when Drake only has to drop back 32 times
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  Speaker 14: instead of 47 times in the Super Bowl, that has
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  Speaker 14: a cause and effect on the offensive line and the
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  Speaker 14: pass protection. So I think they tried to stay balanced
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  Speaker 14: in this game. And maybe they were running into a
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  Speaker 14: brick wall, but it allowed them to control the pace
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  Speaker 14: of the game.
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  Speaker 7: So I think they did a lot of that in
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  Speaker 7: the Super Bowl in the first half. And I think
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  Speaker 7: the reason why they had so much trouble... Sustaining offenses
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  Speaker 7: because they kept setting up second and eight. And I
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  Speaker 7: don't have any problem with the number of runs that
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  Speaker 7: they had.
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  Speaker 5: I think they had.
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  Speaker 7: 14 first down runs. I just wanted to change that
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  Speaker 7: a little bit. More balanced on firsts.
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  Speaker 5: Down.
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  Speaker 2: And the other thing, yes, Seattle lost Sam Darnold, but
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  Speaker 2: we lost A.J. Brown. And that had a trickle effect.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry it did.
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  Speaker 7: But they didn't really do anything offensively when he was
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  Speaker 7: in the game.
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  Speaker 2: But they didn't really have a chance to get things going.
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  Speaker 2: They lost him in the second quarter.
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  Speaker 1: The third quarter.
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  Speaker 11: First drive of the third quarter.
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  Speaker 2: First drive of the third quarter. You know, so, you know,
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  Speaker 2: right now the state of that wide receiver room is
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  Speaker 2: basically you lost Diggs and you lost Booty and you
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  Speaker 2: lost Brown and you've picked up Romeo Dobbs. That's the
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  Speaker 2: state of the room at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: At the moment.
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  Speaker 2: So they've got some work to do. wide receiver-wise going
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  Speaker 2: forward for at least the next four weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you just hope.
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  Speaker 4: That this is an opportunity now for Drake May to
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  Speaker 4: build that connection with especially a guy like Kyle Williams.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Chisholm's probably going to get in there a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. Is there something.
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  Speaker 4: You know, developing that connection because I think Chisholm is
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  Speaker 4: pretty good at the underneath stuff. And is he going to,
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  Speaker 4: you know, could he develop into a piece that Drake says, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I got this guy who's going to be open underneath
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  Speaker 4: always so I can start to develop. But I would
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  Speaker 4: just say in terms of what everything you guys are
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  Speaker 4: talking about, I agree with Evan's point.
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  Speaker 1: I like how they did it.
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  Speaker 4: I don't also think it's not too much to expect
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  Speaker 4: them to be better than 32nd in TV away and
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  Speaker 4: rushing off.
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  Speaker 1: They can be more efficient than that. It was terrible.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry to cut you off, but this is my.
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  Speaker 14: Biggest gripe right now with Josh McDaniels. Not the play
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  Speaker 14: calling or the approach to the game against Seattle. Since
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  Speaker 14: it started 2025, they're 26 in rush EPA offensively. They've
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  Speaker 14: been explained what that is. So expected points added it's
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  Speaker 14: efficiency metric. They're 26 in the league in it. So
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  Speaker 14: like this takes into account down in distance situation of
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  Speaker 14: the game. So like yards per carry is obviously just
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  Speaker 14: a rod number, right?
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  Speaker 11: This bakes in all this other stuff.
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  Speaker 14: So Mike Vrabel at the owner's meetings earlier this off
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  Speaker 14: season said, we need to be more efficient running the
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  Speaker 14: ball that some of those long runs by Travion Henderson
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  Speaker 14: were inflating the, our yards per carry number. I don't
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  Speaker 14: know if they're using EPA exactly, but it jived with
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  Speaker 14: what EPA is telling you. So they were last in
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  Speaker 14: week one across the league and EPA per rush. They
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  Speaker 14: were 25th in the league last year. So they haven't
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  Speaker 14: been able to run the ball now for two years.
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  Speaker 14: And at some point, if teams are going to play
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  Speaker 14: with the two high safeties and they're not going to
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  Speaker 14: let Drake make.
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  Speaker 2: You got to make them pay.
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  Speaker 11: You got to be able to run the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 14: And I'm getting kind of sick and tired of watching
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  Speaker 14: them run into a brick wall every single week.
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  Speaker 7: I think maybe Henderson getting back out at practice, you know,
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  Speaker 7: on Monday, maybe you get him back in the, in my.
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  Speaker 2: And I will say this about Stevenson. I like him
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  Speaker 2: as a player. But I do think the worry of
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  Speaker 2: fumbling affects his running style, especially if he had flashbacks
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  Speaker 2: of early season last year. I think he doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: the ability to kind of move like he would if
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't so worried about covering up the ball and fumbling.
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  Speaker 2: I do think it has affected his running style.
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  Speaker 7: I didn't say that thing about Henderson as a shot
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  Speaker 7: at Stevenson. I thought, remind me, Stevenson was one of
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  Speaker 7: the better players the other night. I mean, it didn't
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  Speaker 7: show it statistically, but I thought he maximized everything he
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  Speaker 7: could get. It's like Evan said, they're running into a
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  Speaker 7: brick wall. He's getting hit in the backfield on half
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  Speaker 7: of his carries. Um, I thought even some of the
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  Speaker 7: short throw, I think he had six catches and he
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  Speaker 7: got walloped on virtually every one of those too. Um,
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  Speaker 7: so this was not a shot at Stevenson. I, first
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  Speaker 7: of all, you guys know, I wouldn't take shots at
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  Speaker 7: my boy. Um, but I just wonder if maybe you
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  Speaker 7: get one of those 10 yard runs that Stevenson has,
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  Speaker 7: if Henderson has a similar kind of opportunity, does he
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  Speaker 7: get to the second level?
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  Speaker 5: Does he run away from somebody?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe.
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  Speaker 7: To Evan's point, that might just mask the problem a
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  Speaker 7: little bit, but it might give you some chunk plays, too.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, if nothing else, Henderson is an upgrade over Kiner.
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  Speaker 2: Let's face it. Your number two option goes up exponentially
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  Speaker 2: this week, assuming that Henderson can play.
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  Speaker 4: If they can get him on some of those checkdowns,
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  Speaker 4: maybe some of the screens that they weren't really able
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  Speaker 4: to execute that well, but I think, getting back to
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  Speaker 4: what Ev was saying, like, what's frustrating is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you added the fullback this year. I know they lost
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  Speaker 4: Julian Hill, but they made strides to improve the run game.
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  Speaker 4: And that's just the bottom line, that it's becoming a
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  Speaker 4: trend now with Drake May, where if he can't throw deep,
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  Speaker 4: he's going to get antsy, and he's going to throw
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  Speaker 4: you up one. And if you can't run the ball,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it just seems so connected to me that
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  Speaker 4: this offseason you should have said, we absolutely have to
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  Speaker 4: be able to run the ball when teams play two
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: high safeties and they have a light box. And if
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: we can't take advantage of that, you know, our offense
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: is really going to struggle and be in a pickle
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: for most of the year.
• 14:52
  Speaker 11: It just sets up everything else. Sets up play action.
• 14:55
  Speaker 14: You have to bring the safety down because they're running
• 14:58
  Speaker 14: the ball on you. Now those one-on-ones on the outside
• 15:00
  Speaker 14: are now presented again for him to throw the ball
• 15:03
  Speaker 14: down the field. And if they can't run the football
• 15:06
  Speaker 14: effectively and can't make teams pay for being in those
• 15:09
  Speaker 14: two high shells, then why would they play you any differently?
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, just look at Kansas City last night, right?
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: They're running all over the Broncos. Mahomes doesn't have to
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: really do as much.
• 15:16
  Speaker 11: And I mean.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: That's probably an outlier, the way that they ran all
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: over them.
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: But still, I think that's a great example of you
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: could just take some of that pressure off of Drake.
• 15:25
  Speaker 14: Just imagine what we know Drake may can do. Passing
• 15:29
  Speaker 14: the ball.
• 15:30
  Speaker 11: If he didn't have a bottom five rushing offense.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:33
  Speaker 14: If he had some semblance of a running game as
• 15:35
  Speaker 14: a compliment to him.
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: We got to stack the box. We got to get
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: guys up front. And now you're opening yourself up to
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: everything that he does.
• 15:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: It has to be a priority to improve that running game.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: No doubt about it. But I don't want to. you know,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: dismiss the fact that Drake May did not have a
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: good game, even before the picks.
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: I agree, Fred.
• 15:54
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 15:54
  Speaker 7: And I think that part has been glossed over a
• 15:56
  Speaker 7: little bit. He didn't look great to me.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: He didn't look great.
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: Throughout the game. He made some good plays. Don't get
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: me wrong. It wasn't, again, this is not a disaster.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
• 16:05
  Speaker 7: He made some plays and he made some plays in
• 16:07
  Speaker 7: that last drive too.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Listen, I think he still has visions of that last
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: game against Seattle. I read some places and maybe you
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: would back it up that he vacated the pocket a
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: little too early on some plays, you know, Yeah, I
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: think there was a.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: That's another.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: I think we're talking about the real stuff, but slightly
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: less real to me is what you're saying, Fred. The
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: leftover from the Super Bowl, the weight of the game,
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: you know, just remembering what they did last time and
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: you're sewing your own head and you spent all offseason
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: talking about that game and previewing this game. It's just
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: nice to get on to a different defense and maybe
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: that'll help him, you know, break that kind of cycle
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: because I think that's something that's standing out to the fans.
• 16:44
  Speaker 11: I thought it was fine for the first three quarters.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: And here's some good news. We know from last year...
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: that Drake May is not a mistake repeater. For the
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: most part, he learns from his mistakes. And we saw
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: that last year, that something happened in one game, it
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: didn't happen in the next game. I hope that most
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: of all, he learns to just, as Evan would say,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: take the profit, not be as impatient. He came out
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: of that locker room after the game, and immediately that
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: was his explanation. I was impatient. He didn't just get
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: that from himself. I'm sure the coaches told him that. That,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: you know, you were impatient. You didn't take some of
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: the things that were there. And I hope he learned
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: from that. And if he did, then I think he's
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: going to be okay. I really do. I think we
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: still have our quarterback.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know how much you guys remember last year's
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Pittsburgh game, but there were some similar kind of like, no,
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: don't do that kind of moments where, you know, just
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: get down.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: And what happened in that game? They had like five turnovers.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: They had five turnovers, and we'll get into Pittsburgh.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously they have a disruptive front, but it
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: was just a Drake May early in the season thing.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: You're getting a sample size now to get to know
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: this player and know what his ins and outs are.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: But I'd also just say that I'm taking the long
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: view on this kid because it took us a while
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: to find him, and I'm invested in him, and I'm
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: invested in his development, and I didn't expect him— to
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: have an offseason and then come out here and.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Be like, oh, he knows what Seattle's doing now.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: I maybe didn't expect it to be quite as sloppy
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: at the end as it was, but this is going
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: to be a little bit of a process with this guy,
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: and he set a high bar last year with his performance.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: And I give Seattle a lot of credit. They do
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: have a good defense. They were the faster team. And
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: like I said, going into this game, I'm a scared
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: a little bit of McDonald. I think he's a damn
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: good coach.
• 18:36
  Speaker 11: I won't have to play him again.
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: And I agree with you, Fred, because even with those
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: guys missing, they did it in a little bit of
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: a different way because they had to cover up, you know,
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: for missing all those safeties. And I, I, I agree
• 18:49
  Speaker 7: with that point wholeheartedly. I came away very impressed again
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: with the way.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: They play defense.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: They do.
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: And I, again, I think I said in the post
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: game show, I, It's one of the only times I
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: ever kind of wished I was in Evan's shoes.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: What is this scheme?
• 19:04
  Speaker 7: I don't know enough about the X's and O's to
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: know exactly what he's doing, but I know enough about
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: watching football to know that not every team does that stuff.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: They seem to consistently.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: confuse.
• 19:16
  Speaker 14: People yeah the way that they play they do a
• 19:18
  Speaker 14: really good job like what they're so they sit in
• 19:20
  Speaker 14: a too high structure they play at 80 percent of
• 19:23
  Speaker 14: the time more than any other team in the league
• 19:25
  Speaker 14: but they have different change-ups of their too high coverages
• 19:28
  Speaker 14: so sometimes it's quarters sometimes it's cover six and you
• 19:32
  Speaker 14: don't don't really know which way it is like, you
• 19:36
  Speaker 14: almost have to play them like looking for open space
• 19:39
  Speaker 14: versus like, let's try to read the coverage. Cause you're
• 19:41
  Speaker 14: not going to be able to read the coverage. So
• 19:43
  Speaker 14: they kind of do a good job of like blurring
• 19:45
  Speaker 14: the lines between those different coverages, but they also do
• 19:48
  Speaker 14: a great job up front. And the fact that they
• 19:51
  Speaker 14: can stop the run as well as they can playing
• 19:53
  Speaker 14: with light boxes is just a Seattle thing.
• 19:56
  Speaker 11: It's a Leonard, Leonard Williams, Byron Murphy thing.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Great players.
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 20:00
  Speaker 14: And so that, that's a big, the players deserve a
• 20:03
  Speaker 14: lot of credit for how good they are at stopping
• 20:05
  Speaker 14: the run.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: You know, And they're just fundamentally sound. For example, they'll
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: send a corner on a blitz, and Drake May will
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: see it, and he'll dump it over his head.
• 20:14
  Speaker 15: Boom.
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: Tackled.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Someone sliding over to fill that space immediately. You
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: go back to preseason for us, and I get it.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: It really wasn't our defense out there. But I think
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: it was that last game or the last home game
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: we had where we got burned like three times in
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: the same play. It was that play where we blitzed,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: they'd throw it over it, but there's nobody there to
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: fill that gap.
• 20:35
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: You know, they do that so well.
• 20:39
  Speaker 14: They play with great eyes, great eyes and coverage. And so,
• 20:42
  Speaker 14: you know, the flat corner has got eyes in the
• 20:45
  Speaker 14: backfield because he's zone dropping. And so when Drake May
• 20:48
  Speaker 14: throws the ball into the flat, he can just fall
• 20:51
  Speaker 14: off the receiver and just jump the flat because he
• 20:53
  Speaker 14: knows that the ball's already out. So he's not at
• 20:55
  Speaker 14: risk there. So it's just a bunch of different things.
• 20:57
  Speaker 14: You know, McDonald is fantastic. They don't blitz a lot.
• 21:01
  Speaker 14: but they time up their blitzes perfectly. And when they blitz,
• 21:04
  Speaker 14: they get home. So the scheme is really well done
• 21:07
  Speaker 14: in terms of the concepts of the blitzes that they're running,
• 21:10
  Speaker 14: but they're also, their timing is impeccable.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: The best way I could say it with, with, with them.
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: When I watch is it, it seems like they kind of,
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: I don't know what the right word is. Bait you
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: into doing what they want you to do. Like they
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: want you to throw those little short passes because they're
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: ready for them and they're going to tackle.
• 21:28
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: And, That's why.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: And if you don't, we're going to sack you.
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: That's why when you said, like, I thought Drake May
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: was fine.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: I think he was fine just taking what they were
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: giving him.
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: You know, he's like 10 for 12 in the first
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: half for like 66 yards.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: Like, and they scored one touchdown.
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: You know, and I understand, like, 40 yards of that
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: doesn't count on the yards because of the interference.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: The flea flicker was there. It was a bad throw.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: It was there.
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: And it should have been just a touchdown. The numbers
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: would have looked a little bit better. But I don't
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: think that was the one outlier to me in the
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: first half. That was their one really good drive. And
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: then the second half, really their only points were set
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: up by a roughing the punter. This is why I
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: came away from the game frustrated. I think Seattle's defense
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: is tremendous, and they.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: Played really well. But they also, as a team, were
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: really sloppy in this game. Seattle was.
• 22:26
  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: They had a lot of penalties.
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: They lost their quarterback, and they self-destructed numerous times, and
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: you still let them off the hook. This was an
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: opportunity to go to Seattle and get really a huge
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: win to open the season that a lot of people
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: weren't really expecting, and you probably should have had it.
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: That's what I think the frustrating part is.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: It's disappointing. We lost 13-10 to the world champs.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Get one half of A.J. Brown and then see you
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: in November. We lost A.J.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Brown. So it's disappointing. But listen, we lost to the
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Raiders last year in week one. In 2024, we beat
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: the Bengals and we thought we were going to the
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl. How did that turn out? So it's week one, folks.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: It's week one. It's not good. We're... things are going
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: to be on the rise.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Did you watch any other games this weekend, Fred, that
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: maybe changed how you viewed the Patriots' loss?
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I can't help it as a fan
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: just looking at how some of these offenses came right
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: out of the gate being able to score points.
• 23:24
  Speaker 11: They all play Seattle.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Well, Chicago, that was freaking nuts.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: We put them on.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: The field in Seattle.
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: But somebody played a defense that's Maybe a notch below Seattle.
• 23:37
  Speaker 11: Texans. Texans.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: Even though his career is over.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: That first game, Texans and Buffalo, both teams.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: C.J.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Stroud is not supposed to be good anymore. But they
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: were scoring points left and right. And obviously Josh Allen
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: is Josh Allen. And he looked in prime form on
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: week one.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: My big takeaway from that game is I thought immediately
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: of Mike.
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: I'm watching red zone. First drive comes up. They get
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: a couple of first downs. Then it's like third and seven.
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: And they call like a designed run. And I'm like,
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: they can't help themselves. Like, we're not going to put
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: him in harm's way anymore. We're going to try to
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: be a little bit more cerebral about what we do
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: recklessly with Josh Allen. And it's like one drive into
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: the season, and he's already.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: Taken on linebackers. I don't know. The guy's like a cyborg.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: I don't know how he even survives.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: And the other thing is now they've got Brady calling
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: the plays, also the head coach. And, you know, they
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: were talking about, you know, maybe last year, In critical times,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: McDermott might have put a governor on Brady, and now
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Brady can do what he wants to do and be
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: a little bit more. offensive with his offensive playing.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: It looked like prime Josh Allen. I mean, and then
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: an absolute, I.
• 24:46
  Speaker 11: Was going to say almost threw the game away.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: I think that was a miscommunication, but he threw it
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: right to last year.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: You've got to pick that off.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: So you've got a lot of teams with some of
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: the better quarterbacks coming right out of the gate and
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: scoring points.
• 24:59
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: And so I get it. Fans are like, why not us?
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Why can't we do that?
• 25:03
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: And then that goes back to Josh McDaniels, you know,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: in the style of offense that he likes to play.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: One thought that occurred to me about how we handle
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: wide receivers on this team, and I get it. Not
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: every wide receiver doesn't have the skill set of, you know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: they don't all have the same skill set. But sometimes
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: with that position, maybe you treat them like football players
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: instead of pieces to a puzzle. And just say, yeah,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: we can run booty over the middle sometimes. He doesn't
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: always have to be a boundary wide receiver. I just
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: worry that we pigeonhole guys into certain things and we're
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: afraid to just let them be football players, particularly at
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: that position. I don't know. It's just a thought that
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: occurred to me.
• 25:52
  Speaker 14: I don't have very much concern about their passing game. Uh,
• 25:55
  Speaker 14: I think their drop back passing game is, is really good.
• 25:59
  Speaker 14: One of the best in the league, their concepts are sound. They'd,
• 26:02
  Speaker 14: It all makes sense to me when you watch it
• 26:05
  Speaker 14: and everything like that. Their run game, I think they
• 26:08
  Speaker 14: need to be more creative with how they run the football.
• 26:10
  Speaker 14: There needs to be more deception. There needs to be
• 26:12
  Speaker 14: more motion. There needs to be more eye candy.
• 26:15
  Speaker 16: To the defense.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying, but I'm going to be
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: really pissed if by halfway through the season, things just
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: don't look right with Romeo Dobbs. You know, that tells
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: me that, okay, what are we, because they looked okay
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: in green Bay.
• 26:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: I don't have a huge concern about that. I'm with Evan.
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: I mean, despite the fact that the passing game wasn't
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: great last Wednesday night, I don't really have many, you know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: and again, you guys can point to me and tell me, well,
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: you got this all wrong.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: I thought the Patriots were going to come off flying.
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: I thought they were going to be one of these
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: offenses that, that we're talking about with Chicago and Buffalo
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: and Houston that really look good coming out of the gates,
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: I think the passing game.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: Is going to be fine.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Even without A.J.
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: Brown?
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think they'll be fine. I don't really have
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: a huge amount of concern about Dobbs.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: Now, I'm not going to lie.
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: I have a little more concern today than I did
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: before the game. I thought everything looked great. sort of about,
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: I would say, maybe halfway in training camp, the rest
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: of the way.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: I thought everything looked great with Dobbs, and then he
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: dropped a pass.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: It happens.
• 27:24
  Speaker 14: They need to get him more involved earlier in the game.
• 27:27
  Speaker 14: His first target was, I think, was the drop.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: The drop.
• 27:30
  Speaker 14: And it was an enormous drop. I'm not dismissing it
• 27:33
  Speaker 14: as a bad play. But that's what, the third or
• 27:35
  Speaker 14: fourth quarter of the game? They need to get him
• 27:37
  Speaker 14: more involved earlier in the game to get him up
• 27:39
  Speaker 14: and running. But I think their passing game is going
• 27:42
  Speaker 14: to be fine.
• 27:44
  Speaker 11: Their run game.
• 27:45
  Speaker 14: It just feels like when you watch these other teams play,
• 27:49
  Speaker 14: they have a lot more window dressing in their running game.
• 27:52
  Speaker 14: There's a lot more deception to the defense. There's a
• 27:54
  Speaker 14: lot more motion. You know, the Patriots in week one,
• 27:57
  Speaker 14: 29th in the league in motion rate. they kind of
• 28:01
  Speaker 14: just line up and run at you. And for right now,
• 28:04
  Speaker 14: they don't have the blockers to just line up and
• 28:07
  Speaker 14: run at you.
• 28:08
  Speaker 11: So I don't know if that's being more exotic pre-snap.
• 28:12
  Speaker 14: I don't know if that's getting Drake May involved in
• 28:15
  Speaker 14: the running game a little bit more and using him
• 28:17
  Speaker 14: as sort of a leverage against the defense. But they
• 28:20
  Speaker 14: need to find ways to be a little bit more
• 28:24
  Speaker 14: creative in the running game.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: And the thing that we... we're not even really including
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: all the times that may did end up running, not
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: a design run, but because there was nobody open and
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: it was successful.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: But without those runs, where would they have been?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Well, no, that was, I mean, that was some of
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: his best plays.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: And you love to have that in the box, but
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: I just, I keep going back to Evan's point of,
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: it does feel like we've been watching the same three
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: yards in a cloud of dust for the last few seasons. And,
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: you know, we were watching the game with, with Troy
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: here and he's, you know, singing how great Ramond Ray is.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: And he just has never had the offensive line. And
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, Could we get them the offensive line?
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Is that possible?
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, can we get these guys going?
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: For now, do we need the pass to set up
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: the run? Do we need to throw on early downs
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: a little bit more? High percentage.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: That's just a tough way to live, though.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: You know, you want to be a team that is
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: physical and tough and your run game travels and you
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: can feel confident in it no matter.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Where you're playing.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: That's why I said for now.
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: No, I think this is perfectly fine. And I would just, again,
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: this is, we overreact to everything we see in week one.
• 29:26
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: But I did feel like when they did that, when
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: they did what you're talking about, Fred, they had success.
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: When they threw it on first down, they averaged over
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: seven yards of play. Now it was only like seven times.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: That's okay.
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: And when they ran it on first down, I think
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: it was four times. like two yards of play.
• 29:42
  Speaker 11: It was 16 for 2.6. That was close enough.
• 29:45
  Speaker 14: It was 11 drop backs. He scrambled on two of them.
• 29:48
  Speaker 14: He averaged over six yards of pass. It was like
• 29:51
  Speaker 14: nine attempts for like 60-something.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: So, again, when they had their reasonable.
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: Production, offensively, they had a couple of sustained drives here
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: and there, the one for the touchdown. I think they
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: were consistently in third and three instead of third and nine.
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: I don't think they converted a third down all night
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: that was beyond eight yards. Now, on the last drive,
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: they were forced to convert a couple of fourth downs
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: after the third down. I think there was a third
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: and long that they got almost all of it, and
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: then they got the fourth down. Fourth and two, I
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: think Drake scrambled and ran for the first down on
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: the last drive. But again, you can do your thing, Fred.
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: I don't think that makes you.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: Like, oh, we're not men.
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: We're not manly enough because we're not telling you that
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: we're going to run.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Let's just win the game.
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: Not a lot of teams can just line up and say,
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: we're going to run and you can't stop us. There's
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: not a lot of teams in the league that can
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: do that.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: I'll forfeit the man card for a game if we
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: can beat Seattle. I mean, that's fine. I don't care
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: how we do it. Let's just win.
• 30:48
  Speaker 14: Are you at the point where the horizontal passing game
• 30:52
  Speaker 14: can be your running game?
• 30:54
  Speaker 11: If you can't run the ball. Is he at that
• 30:56
  Speaker 11: point great?
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you my concern about that.
• 30:58
  Speaker 11: Because Brady's played like that before.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Is it too late to order food? I'm hungry.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: Get Fred some food. I don't want him.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I'm going to pass out.
• 31:09
  Speaker 11: He needs his Snickers, I think.
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: But I would say, Fred, you made a point early
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: in the show about Drake May. He has shown the
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: ability to put sort of Bad performances or bad decisions
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: behind him. He learns quickly, doesn't necessarily repeat. But there
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: is one area that I think he has consistently. I
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: don't want to say every game, but it's the same
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: kind of mistakes consistently, and that is the impatience. And
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: I thought it was really interesting to listen to Mike
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: Grable yesterday when asked about something like that. Grable said,
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: We got to prevent him from being bored.
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: He can't get bored. And I think.
• 31:48
  Speaker 14: Same goes to the fans. It's a boring way to play.
• 31:51
  Speaker 14: It's a five-yard passes and run game.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: I don't think he wants to play that way.
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: And that is a minor, like very, very small C
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: concern with Drake May with me. Is he maybe a
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: little bit more Drew Bledsoe than Tom Brady?
• 32:06
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Because Drew absolutely is many.
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: Good things, as I'll say about Drew, he drove me
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: crazy by doing that. I have this arm, and I
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: want to show it off, and I don't want to
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: win that way. I want to win this way.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: It's backyard football.
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: It's a different style because Drew never ran around like
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: Drake May, but he wants to push the ball down
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: the field.
• 32:24
  Speaker 14: If you're Mike Grable and Josh McDaniels, don't you say
• 32:26
  Speaker 14: to Drake May, you'll get your opportunities to throw the
• 32:29
  Speaker 14: ball down the field. If you play this way, right?
• 32:32
  Speaker 14: Because this is the blueprint of what teams are doing
• 32:35
  Speaker 14: against you. And I think these last five games, they've
• 32:38
  Speaker 14: played the best defenses in the league. And there's been
• 32:40
  Speaker 14: a lot of tape for these teams to watch of
• 32:43
  Speaker 14: what Josh McDaniels and Drake may are doing.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: There's a fair point. There's a blueprint.
• 32:47
  Speaker 11: They, they have.
• 32:48
  Speaker 14: Found a blueprint of how to slow down the offense.
• 32:50
  Speaker 14: So if you're Josh McDaniels and Mike Rabel, you have
• 32:53
  Speaker 14: to say to Drake may, in my opinion, Hey, We
• 32:56
  Speaker 14: got to throw the short stuff.
• 32:57
  Speaker 11: We got to run the football.
• 32:59
  Speaker 14: Then they're going to walk the safeties down, and then
• 33:01
  Speaker 14: you can throw the ball over the top.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: So last year, the numbers said this was a really
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: good offense. Yeah. Right?
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: It was a good offense.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: But was it too dependent on the X plays?
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: No, I've never heard that before.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: I mean that in a weird way because they were
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: excellent at that, and that was their bread and butter.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: You always think of those as the thing that puts
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: you over the top, not the thing that makes your
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: offense go bad. I think you might be onto something.
• 33:27
  Speaker 14: I think that David, his efficiency throwing the ball down
• 33:30
  Speaker 14: the field was not going to be repeatable.
• 33:32
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 33:33
  Speaker 14: No, like the amount of, the amount of completions that
• 33:35
  Speaker 14: they had down the field was, that were difficult catches
• 33:40
  Speaker 14: and throws was not going to be repeatable. But I,
• 33:44
  Speaker 14: I think that the bigger thing that's happening right now
• 33:46
  Speaker 14: is that teams are making them March. Like they are,
• 33:49
  Speaker 14: they want them to go 12, 13 plays. I think
• 33:52
  Speaker 14: the last drive of the game was 15 play drive
• 33:54
  Speaker 14: before he threw the pick.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Two fourth down conversions.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: That's the way I see.
• 33:58
  Speaker 14: That's the way that they, that they want to force
• 34:00
  Speaker 14: this Patriots team to play because of the, the threat
• 34:03
  Speaker 14: of the X place.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:05
  Speaker 11: So can they do it the other way? like that's
• 34:07
  Speaker 11: the chess match.
• 34:08
  Speaker 14: So I think from September on, you know, to like,
• 34:12
  Speaker 14: let's call it December, the Patriots kind of came out
• 34:16
  Speaker 14: like gangbusters, like Drake May and Josh McDaniels. And you,
• 34:19
  Speaker 14: then what happens is these defensive coordinators, these coaches are smart.
• 34:23
  Speaker 14: They watch a lot of tape, they figure out what
• 34:25
  Speaker 14: you're doing and they find answers to it all off season.
• 34:28
  Speaker 14: That's what all the Patriots opponents have been doing is
• 34:30
  Speaker 14: watching Drake May tape to figure out what he did
• 34:34
  Speaker 14: to light the world on fire last year. Now it's
• 34:37
  Speaker 14: Josh McDaniels and Drake Mays' turn to counterpunch.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 11: You know, what's the counter?
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: I think Paul is interesting because I was wondering, is
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: this a maturity thing? Is this just the young kid
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: who's got the big arm and this is how he's
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: won in college? And, you know, can that, over the
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: course of time, leave him? But you mentioned Drew.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Did it ever leave Drew that, like, I got a
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: big arm. Screw it. I'm chucking it. You know, like,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I've been watching the 96s and see plenty of that.
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: But even look at, like, the 2001, like, the clip
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: that everybody remembers in the Super Bowl.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: Right before the last drive.
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: And, you know, they're talking to Brady and telling Brady
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: to do this, this, and this.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: And Drew says, F that.
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: Go up there and sling it.
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: Because that's the way Drew would have done it. Now,
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: the difference between Brady and Drew is Brady slung.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: It to the right guy.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: To the open guy who would catch it. Again, sorry, Drew.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: You know, I love you. But that was the difference.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: I think Drew was good. Brady was great.
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: And right now, I think May has... far more just
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: God-given ability than Drew did. Like, Drew had the arm.
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: Drew probably had a better arm than Drake May, but
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: that's it. Everything else, Drake May has over Drew Bledsoe
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: in spades. So I think he can learn it, but
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: I do worry if that's how he wants to play.
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: I'm going to get a little defensive of Drake May
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: now from the game. So, Evan, you brought up the
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: point of, you know, like those chunk players, those opportunities,
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: if you play this way, those will present themselves differently
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: I could understand. I'm not saying that this is what
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: Drake May did, but I could understand if he looked
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: at it and said, I've been checking it down all night.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: For three quarters, I've been checking it down.
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: We're not moving the ball because we didn't have any yards,
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: and we're not scoring any points.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: Because we only have 10. And all of a sudden,
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: they are.
• 36:20
  Speaker 13: Right?
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: So now it's the fourth quarter. We're not moving the ball.
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: I've got to do something different.
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: Did he have to do something different, though?
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying. I said I'm trying to defend him
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: a little bit.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: He's getting into his head.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to get into his head. Maybe he looked
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: at it and said.
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: We can't score doing it this way. We've done it
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: this way for three quarters. We have 10 points. He's
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: obviously wrong. We know what happened. He threw three interceptions.
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: But they were also winning the game.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: And that's why I said he was obviously wrong. Because
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: they were winning the game. But I can understand if
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: he was thinking, I've got to do something.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: To put this game away.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: He said he was impatient. He was. Like I said,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: he's not the only one that came up with that conclusion.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I haven't tried.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: About the first one to Dobbs.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: That was the real, like, everybody's, any high school player
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: knows the last one can't happen, right? You've got to
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: either throw the ball away or something.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: You can't throw a pick.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: You never wrong long.
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: When you're in field goal range and you can go
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: to overtime, everybody saw what happened. But I agree with
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: Evan's point on the first one. It's just like, you're
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: on the 45-yard line.
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: It's second and nine.
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: Even if you don't take the check down to Kiner,
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: just throw it away.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: He's kind of like.
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: I thought when I saw it live, Ev, I thought
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: it was one of your honey hole shots. Like, I
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: thought if he drilled it in there, right, he might
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: have been able to get it to him on the sideline.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: He floats it to the inside.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Like, that can't happen.
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: And you're probably one first down away from a field
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: goal that restores you to a score lead.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: That one is really tough.
• 37:54
  Speaker 11: That one was really tough. Changed the whole momentum of
• 37:56
  Speaker 11: the game.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Agreed.
• 37:57
  Speaker 11: And I.
• 37:59
  Speaker 14: on that play that the underneath corner Pritchett, I think
• 38:01
  Speaker 14: is the one that actually ended up picking it off. He,
• 38:05
  Speaker 14: he carries Dobbs's vertical route underneath Dobbs. So he's playing
• 38:08
  Speaker 14: the flat and cover too, but he actually got an
• 38:11
  Speaker 14: insane amount of depth and carries the route all the
• 38:13
  Speaker 14: way down the field.
• 38:15
  Speaker 11: So like, it would have been a whole shot if
• 38:16
  Speaker 11: he had stayed in the flat.
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: Okay.
• 38:18
  Speaker 11: But instead the corner carried the route.
• 38:21
  Speaker 14: So the space is now the check down and Kiner
• 38:23
  Speaker 14: is just in the flat, just with nobody within 10
• 38:26
  Speaker 14: yards of them.
• 38:27
  Speaker 11: You know, waiting for the check down.
• 38:29
  Speaker 14: So it's just, I think everybody needs to come to
• 38:33
  Speaker 14: terms with the fact that last year was a very
• 38:36
  Speaker 14: entertaining brand of football that they played throwing the ball
• 38:39
  Speaker 14: down the field like that and making the plays down
• 38:41
  Speaker 14: the field that they made is just an awesome brand
• 38:44
  Speaker 14: of football. But what everybody's trying to get Drake me
• 38:47
  Speaker 14: to do is play boring football. And I think that
• 38:50
  Speaker 14: a lot of these guys, Alan Mahomes, they've had stretches
• 38:54
  Speaker 14: where this is what teams have done against them is
• 38:56
  Speaker 14: we're going to play the two high safeties and we're
• 38:58
  Speaker 14: going to turn you into check down.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: Charlie Mahomes played pretty boring football last night.
• 39:02
  Speaker 14: Didn't complete a single pass over 10 yards in the
• 39:04
  Speaker 14: air last night and won the game 31 to 10.
• 39:06
  Speaker 11: Yep.
• 39:07
  Speaker 14: So, you know, these are the messages. If I'm Mike
• 39:09
  Speaker 14: Rabel that I'm saying, do you see my homes last night?
• 39:12
  Speaker 14: Didn't complete a single pass over 10 yards, not a
• 39:15
  Speaker 14: single one. They scored 31 points and they won the
• 39:17
  Speaker 14: game going away.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: If I'm Drake, like, okay, let's have a guy that
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: can run for 180 yards.
• 39:23
  Speaker 14: But in theory, they should be able to because of
• 39:26
  Speaker 14: the way the defense is playing them, right?
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 39:29
  Speaker 9: I know.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: The whole thing.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: But he's a special walker. The speed in which he
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: hits the line is elite. And his vision, he doesn't
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: need to because his vision is fluid. So it's just boom.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: He's going to go where he sees the crack, and
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: he hits it so fast that the defense doesn't have
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: time to react. I want to dissect what you guys
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: think the loss of A.J. Brown means for at least
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: the next four games.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: Huge challenge for Drake May. There's nobody he trusts with
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: the confidence he had in Stephon Diggs. I thought this
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: year was going to be harder. I thought there'd be
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: more injuries. The schedule's going to be harder. Everything's going
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: to be more difficult. It hit immediately, and I feel
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: like it's all on Drake May. I'm taking the point
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: of view of hopefully this is the thing that's going
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: to help him get over what Evan's talking about to
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: ascend because he doesn't have that guy now. It might
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: be tough sledding. I really don't know what we're going
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: to see with this unit. It goes back to a
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: couple years ago. That's what you're kind of looking like
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: with the kind of weapons that are around him left now.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: There's a lot on him.
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: I still think he has plenty to work with, and
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: I don't really have a lot of concern.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, losing A.J. Brown is huge.
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: But I think with Dobbs, Hollins, and Douglas, there's enough
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: to work with there. Like, there's no Demir Byrds.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I think Hollins is Hollins. He's consistent. He's dependable.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: And I think Drake thinks that.
• 41:02
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: As you saw in the fourth quarter.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Do you think that Williams and Douglas, if they played
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: to the level they played last year, this year, is
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: that enough?
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Douglas, no.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: Williams, sure.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: So.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: This is kind of what I'm getting at.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: I don't think Williams is going to see a huge uptick.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: So in order to make up for the loss of A.J. Brown,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: guys like Douglas have to step up.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: I thought Douglas was pretty good the other night.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, too. But he has to be better
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: than he was last year.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: Yes, and he was last night.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Kyle Williams has to be better than he was last year.
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: I think he's a very specific role player. I think
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: they're going to send him on. On some go routes,
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: they're going to take some shots with him, and he's
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: not going to play.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: A huge amount.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Certainly.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: Your guy Chisholm might play a little bit.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Certainly, Romeo Dobbs has to be better than he was
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: last week.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: He's got to be comparable.
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: I'm not talking about the efficiency, because that's out of
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: the realm of possibility. He's not going to complete. He's
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: not going to catch 85% of his targets like Diggs did.
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: But he's got to be comparable to Diggs. He's got
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: to develop into something that Drake May feels really good
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: about throwing him the ball.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: And I still have faith in that. It's one bad game.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: I can overlook that.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Hunter Henry too. I just more on him. I mean,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: you know, that's going to be Drake's. I think, I
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: think we're that hospital.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: We're all the Hunter Henry still hurts me.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: My kid was like, did you see Hunter Henry get
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: lit up? I mean, my God, I was glad he wasn't.
• 42:23
  Speaker 14: Could have protected him, thrown him like open on the
• 42:26
  Speaker 14: back shoulder so that he could duck.
• 42:27
  Speaker 11: I just, it was the right read. Like it was open.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: It just, you know, but I, I do have a crash,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: a small C concern with the loss of, because I
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: really thought that him being on the team is going
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: to raise the level of everybody else.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: I think that's the point.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: And he's going to open things up for everybody else.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: And now you're a defense in, I hate to say it,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: but are we back to becoming... Easy to defend.
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: Can you double someone, whether it's Hollins or Dobbs, and
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: then sort of live with the.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: Yes, that's a concern.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 42:59
  Speaker 14: I mean, there's no doubt it's concerning to not have A.J. Brown,
• 43:02
  Speaker 14: but I think the hope would be that you play
• 43:05
  Speaker 14: a little bit more balanced, where... he's spreading the ball
• 43:08
  Speaker 14: around to five, six, seven different guys.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: He's got to. He's got to.
• 43:11
  Speaker 11: Which was kind of how he played last year.
• 43:13
  Speaker 14: And I know Diggs was the go-to guy in passing situations,
• 43:18
  Speaker 14: but I think overall they'd spread the ball around pretty
• 43:22
  Speaker 14: well last season, and I think that that's now back
• 43:26
  Speaker 14: to that approach.
• 43:27
  Speaker 11: Just throw the ball to the open guy.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Do you think that at this point it's kind of
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: a good thing that Drake May doesn't really have a binky? Because,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: like you said, he's never been a guy that just
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: focused on one guy. But this year, like you said,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: he's going to have to spread it around. Otherwise, we're
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: going to be too easy to defend.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: I hope we can say that Romeo Dobbs is becoming
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: his binky. I hope he shows that kind of confidence
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: in him. But I'm concerned. I just think it's a
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: lot on Drake. And to ask him to get through
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: all the progressions and spread the ball around... Get some
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: good defenses. Look, these are three AFC playoff teams. Jacksonville
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: next week. Blue Doors, too.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: You want the bag next year? This is what you're
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: going to have to do, Drake. It's, you know, this
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: is being a franchise quarterback. And not to be a
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: negative Nelly, but how good is A.J. Brown going to
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: be when he gets back? Like, when are we looking
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: at A.J.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Brown, A.J. Brown?
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Is that, you know, and is it going to matter?
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: Is it going to be enough by mid-December that, oh,
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: now he's rounding.
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: In the forms, you know?
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: That's a big injury. That's a, like, High ankle sprains
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: for wide receivers are no joke.
• 44:32
  Speaker 14: It's a big injury for the team. But I think
• 44:34
  Speaker 14: that They can get by if they stay balanced. If
• 44:39
  Speaker 14: they are now all five guys on the field are
• 44:42
  Speaker 14: a threat to catch the football, I think that they
• 44:45
  Speaker 14: can get by. They don't have that singular dominant player anymore.
• 44:49
  Speaker 14: They're easier to defend, no doubt about it. Like when
• 44:52
  Speaker 14: you're going into the Tuesday game planning meeting as the
• 44:55
  Speaker 14: opposing coaching staff, there's not a lot that keep you up.
• 44:59
  Speaker 11: At night about it.
• 45:00
  Speaker 14: But I don't know if they went into the season
• 45:02
  Speaker 14: last year and thought that the Patriots had this you know,
• 45:06
  Speaker 14: deep stacked receiver room and they, they were able to
• 45:10
  Speaker 14: figure it out.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: So.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Got it going for you. No, go ahead.
• 45:15
  Speaker 11: Excuse me.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Do you think that you cough? Well, do you, do
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: you guys think though that, I mean, Paul, you kind
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: of hinted at this. Do you think that there'll be
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: more of a spike for Chisholm filling in for Matt
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: Collins snaps as Matt Collins maybe moves into a different role?
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Or do you think there's more snaps for Kyle Williams
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: kind of filling that role? Are both those guys, do
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: you think one gets more attention?
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: I think Hollins is going to be the one that
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: gets the spike. And I think you saw it. I
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: think in the fourth quarter when he.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Needed a play.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. You called it. That was the guy.
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I did.
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's the only thing I got right the
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: whole night because nothing else went the way I thought
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: it was going to.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: That was funny.
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: But when he.
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: Had the guy to have a play, I was like,
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: this is Mac Hollins because that's the guy that he
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: feels the most comfortable with.
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: Out of the people that are available.
• 46:02
  Speaker 11: And he was the guy getting open in the game.
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: He came through, but I kind of knew he was
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: going to be looking for Matt Collins. I think he'll
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: be maybe a little bit more in the A.J.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: Brown role.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Less blocking?
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: I think Kyle Williams, would he get 12 snaps?
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: I don't necessarily think that that's going to raise all
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: that significantly. But I think they might dial him into
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: the offense a couple of times, and.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: They didn't really do anything for him.
• 46:30
  Speaker 11: He was clearing out the whole night.
• 46:32
  Speaker 14: I think the one thing I would say with Chisholm is, like,
• 46:35
  Speaker 14: if teams are going to be playing 75%, 80% zone
• 46:38
  Speaker 14: against the Patriots.
• 46:38
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 46:42
  Speaker 14: Does he have a little bit better feel in the
• 46:44
  Speaker 14: slot for some.
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: Of those things?
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Finding that hole.
• 46:47
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 46:47
  Speaker 14: And finding the soft spots and knowing how to, you know,
• 46:50
  Speaker 14: settle into voids. And, uh, you know, when they do
• 46:53
  Speaker 14: blitz from the slot, like knowing, you know, how to
• 46:55
  Speaker 14: get open quickly to be an option for Drake may
• 46:58
  Speaker 14: out of the slot. Pop is a great man coverage separator.
• 47:02
  Speaker 14: He's one of the best in the league in terms
• 47:04
  Speaker 14: of the metrics that separating against man-to-man coverage. But we
• 47:08
  Speaker 14: all know that he's had some of his issues against zone.
• 47:11
  Speaker 14: And if this is how teams are going to play them,
• 47:12
  Speaker 14: I wonder if Chisholm's just kind of cerebralness would be
• 47:17
  Speaker 14: a better fit at times in the slot. Now, there's
• 47:20
  Speaker 14: no doubt that Pop is a more explosive and dynamic.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Player, but.
• 47:26
  Speaker 14: Is there just a stylistic thing that maybe lends itself
• 47:28
  Speaker 14: a little bit to Chisholm?
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: And even just having two guys that sort of can operate.
• 47:32
  Speaker 17: Sure.
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: You know, and I agree with Evan about the man
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: and the zone differences with the two players. But having
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: two guys, you know, almost like the Edelman and Amendola.
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: Because I think Chisholm kind of a little bit more
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: Amendola to me. And maybe you get some volume from that.
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: Like Evan said, you're going to have to start spreading
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: it around a little bit because you don't have that
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: one guy.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: So maybe it's strength in numbers.
• 47:54
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: All right, so health-wise, A.J. Brown out. Spillane was not
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: at practice yesterday?
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: No, but he talked. I think that might be the
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: main thing. Because we need him.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I think he had a good game.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Lead them.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe not in coverage, but he was filling. Run
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: fits was pretty good.
• 48:15
  Speaker 11: That scramble, the 14-yard scramble was tough.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Well, he's not fit.
• 48:19
  Speaker 11: But the the okay.
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: He was he was finally he wasn't why they lost
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: he wasn't terrible yeah i don't want to make that
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: i just i think.
• 48:27
  Speaker 18: It's a great game you need them no yeah you
• 48:30
  Speaker 18: don't have anybody but uh but travion was back out
• 48:33
  Speaker 18: there yesterday and ben brown was back out there which
• 48:35
  Speaker 18: was you know good sign um and just a bonus
• 48:38
  Speaker 18: day for the patriots you.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: Know i mean usually monday you're wrapping things up you're
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: putting a pin on or putting a bow on last
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: game so Hopefully they got something out of that session yesterday.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: All right, so let's go to the phones, 855-PASS-500. But
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: before I do, programming note. Starting next week, starting next week,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: we have a new time for Patriots Unfiltered. Obviously, we're
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: now in our in-season, Tuesday, Wednesdays, and Thursdays. But we're
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: going to be going from 11 to 1 every day.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: instead of 12 to 2. And the reason for that
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: is the schedule of the Patriots practice in availability in
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: the locker room. We need to get Paul into the
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: locker room. So the locker room opens up at around 115.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: So we're going to be going 11 to 1 Tuesday, Wednesdays,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: and Thursdays for Patriots Unfiltered. Catch 22. It's going to
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: change up. Now, have you talked to your counterpart yet?
• 49:35
  Speaker 11: I did talk to him.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: And is he amenable to this?
• 49:38
  Speaker 11: Yeah, we might need to, like, you know, get.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: A sweet talk him a little bit.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: The plan for Catch-22 is instead of one show for
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: two hours on Wednesdays, we're going to do two shows
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: for one hour on Tuesdays and Thursdays from 10 to 11. So, Catch-22,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Tuesdays and Thursdays, 10 to 11. And Evan is really
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: excited about this because he's going to treat Tuesdays as
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: your recap show and Thursday as your preview show. And
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: they can dedicate that and they don't have to switch
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: gears in the middle of the show. Catch 22, 10
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: to 11, Tuesdays and Thursdays. P.U., 11 to 1, Tuesday, Wednesday,
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: and Thursday.
• 50:25
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I'm still working on Barth because Tuesday, he doesn't
• 50:29
  Speaker 14: come here normally on Tuesdays.
• 50:31
  Speaker 11: But I think that for in the long run. What
• 50:32
  Speaker 11: else has he got to do? Right, seriously.
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: Is he hanging out with his girlfriend?
• 50:35
  Speaker 11: Wow.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: There's no college football on Tuesday.
• 50:37
  Speaker 14: I think in the long run, this will be better
• 50:39
  Speaker 14: for Catch 22, though, because of what Fred said.
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: I thought you were going to say what Paul said.
• 50:44
  Speaker 14: Preview show recap show twice a week being, you know,
• 50:49
  Speaker 14: we're usually like one foot in one door, one foot
• 50:51
  Speaker 14: in the other. It's kind of confusing. So this will
• 50:54
  Speaker 14: be a, this will kind of be more efficient.
• 50:56
  Speaker 10: Yep.
• 50:57
  Speaker 13: Okay.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: So I just wanted to do that before we get
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: to the phones. 855-PATS-500. Phones are stacked up. Now, Paul,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: did you get into it with someone, one of our callers?
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: Generally, yes. I mean, I don't know who you're talking about.
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: My answer will just be yes.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: It's Christian in L.A. What's up, Christian?
• 51:15
  Speaker 16: Hey, you guys.
• 51:16
  Speaker 9: Hey, you guys. Hey, you guys.
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: Hey, Fred, welcome.
• 51:19
  Speaker 9: And welcome to week two of the NFL.
• 51:22
  Speaker 8: So as they say, you know, week one is a liar.
• 51:25
  Speaker 9: Week two, hopefully you catch fire.
• 51:27
  Speaker 8: I was angry the other day, but I didn't put
• 51:30
  Speaker 8: too much stock into it. I re-looked at the game.
• 51:32
  Speaker 8: For me, everything for the season boils down to what
• 51:36
  Speaker 8: I thought was the good and the bad from the game. Yes, Paul,
• 51:38
  Speaker 8: you and I got into it. Yes, we will once again.
• 51:41
  Speaker 9: The good was this. For me, guys, we didn't get out-talented.
• 51:46
  Speaker 8: We didn't get out-talented.
• 51:48
  Speaker 9: We didn't get out-muscled.
• 51:49
  Speaker 8: We probably got out-disciplined and probably out-prepared for that particular game.
• 51:54
  Speaker 8: But we didn't get out-talented because even with the loss
• 51:58
  Speaker 8: of A.J. Brown, even with the, I guess, that undisciplined
• 52:02
  Speaker 8: play and maybe the questionable play calling of Josh and
• 52:05
  Speaker 8: even the two interceptions of Drake May, with less than
• 52:08
  Speaker 8: a minute left, we were in position to win the game.
• 52:12
  Speaker 8: And that's got to say something about just the makeup
• 52:15
  Speaker 8: in general and the constitution of this team. It doesn't
• 52:18
  Speaker 8: say anything about the discipline of it. It doesn't say
• 52:20
  Speaker 8: anything about anything else. But it says something about the
• 52:22
  Speaker 8: constitution of the team.
• 52:23
  Speaker 15: That, to me, was the good.
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: Here comes the bad, and this is where, Paul, you
• 52:28
  Speaker 8: and I are going to get into it because I'm
• 52:29
  Speaker 8: going back to the well. The man in charge of
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: this team is supposed to have the future of this
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: team and the future player of this team as his
• 52:40
  Speaker 8: best and only focus and interest.
• 52:42
  Speaker 9: It is very clear.
• 52:43
  Speaker 8: Now after game one that the unfocused, distracted, undisciplined Mike Rabel,
• 52:50
  Speaker 8: instead of choosing a backup tackle in the draft, should
• 52:54
  Speaker 8: have known that the future of this team is running
• 52:56
  Speaker 8: the ball, as you guys said, when the team's trying
• 52:58
  Speaker 8: to play too high safety against us, and he should
• 53:00
  Speaker 8: have taken the biggest, meanest, nastiest run-blocking.
• 53:04
  Speaker 9: Guard that he could have got in the offseason. Once again,
• 53:08
  Speaker 9: the undisciplined, unfocused Mike Bray.
• 53:11
  Speaker 11: No, stop.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Undisciplined, unfocused. I think you're being a little dramatic, Christian.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly.
• 53:17
  Speaker 13: No, no, no.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Honestly.
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: This is what the answer is. You're right.
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: No, no.
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: That's what he wants.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: He's just giving what he wants.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Listen, you can make the argument you don't like to pick,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: but because he's undisciplined and unfocused?
• 53:31
  Speaker 15: No.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: First of all... Elliot Wolfe has as much to do
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: with that as anyone else. And I think all his
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: focus was on the draft. That's all he was focused on. So,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: and come on, let's not be overdramatic, but I do
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: like his first point. The fact is the team was
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: in position to win the game at the end.
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: They were driving the other team's quarterback out.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: They were certainly already in field goal range to tie it.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: And I think they were set up to, to go
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: the distance had, you know, the interception not happened. So I, I,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: That is encouraging, right?
• 54:05
  Speaker 14: Yeah, besides the preamble about Mike Vrabel putting that to
• 54:09
  Speaker 14: the side for a second, I kind of agree with
• 54:12
  Speaker 14: his Caleb Lomu point, and I said.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: It at the time.
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: Oh, you've always been on that point.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Like I said, you can argue the pick.
• 54:18
  Speaker 11: I'm arguing the pick, to be clear.
• 54:21
  Speaker 14: Their first-round pick was sitting on the sideline with his
• 54:24
  Speaker 14: helmet off for the entire game. Their first-round pick was
• 54:27
  Speaker 14: their lead running back. Both these teams picked at the
• 54:30
  Speaker 14: end of the first round. So you're telling me that
• 54:35
  Speaker 14: who they drafted in the first round, if they hadn't
• 54:38
  Speaker 14: drafted a project long-term play in Caleb Lomu, couldn't have
• 54:43
  Speaker 14: helped them in that game on Wednesday?
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: You might be singing another tune if Morgan Moses gets hurt, right?
• 54:49
  Speaker 14: Okay, so in case of injury, we have this guy
• 54:52
  Speaker 14: waiting in the wings is what we're going with.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: No, but it's not just that. We've got a guy who...
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: How old is Morgan Moses?
• 54:58
  Speaker 11: 35.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: That's why.
• 55:02
  Speaker 11: I understand why they did it.
• 55:04
  Speaker 14: I understand that they're doing it as a succession plan
• 55:06
  Speaker 14: to Morgan Moses and all that stuff. Paul and I,
• 55:09
  Speaker 14: at the time, this isn't revisionist history. This is what
• 55:12
  Speaker 14: we were saying in April. We're saying that this roster
• 55:15
  Speaker 14: is not ready for... like luxury picks, like taking tackles
• 55:20
  Speaker 14: or looking ahead, you know, like this isn't looking ahead.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 55:24
  Speaker 11: You know, they, that, that's a luxury pick.
• 55:26
  Speaker 14: They picked it in order to, they already had two
• 55:28
  Speaker 14: starters at tackle. They picked the third tackle in the
• 55:31
  Speaker 14: first round is something that bill Belichick used to do
• 55:34
  Speaker 14: when they were going to the super bowl every year
• 55:36
  Speaker 14: and winning 14 games and deuce got bored.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: You know, like that, that, that was.
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: What fairness was 12 and four.
• 55:43
  Speaker 14: That's what they were doing in the peak of the
• 55:44
  Speaker 14: dynasty was drafting Nate Solder. Not one year into rebuilding
• 55:51
  Speaker 14: the roster.
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: No, it's fair, and I wouldn't have gone with a guard,
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: but I'd even look along the defensive line right now
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: where you finally went out and signed Daquan Jones, but
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: I think they do have a lot of different needs.
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: I'm not lamenting the Lomo pick as well because I
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: feel like he's going to be in there sooner than later,
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: and I feel like we're on borrowed time with Morgan
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: Moses as it is, but I get the point.
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: And I understood, and I still understand why they picked Lomo.
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: They felt like they needed to tackle both for the
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: possible presence in the future. So I understand why. I
• 56:25
  Speaker 7: think I probably would have gone in a different direction,
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: but I understand the mindset. I know what they were thinking. And,
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: you know, I don't know. I mean, I have to
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: go back and look specifically. I don't know what else
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: was available. Would they be happy if they took Price,
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: the running back that had a good game? I would
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: say not a great game, but a good game for Seattle.
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: I don't know that people would have been... I certainly
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: don't think people would have been happy if they took
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: a guard.
• 56:54
  Speaker 16: No.
• 56:54
  Speaker 14: I'm more talking about just the overall impact that that
• 56:57
  Speaker 14: player could have made.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: On the team.
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: And that's very fair.
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: I just think that I understand that they don't look
• 57:03
  Speaker 7: at it as like, My goal isn't to get a
• 57:05
  Speaker 7: guy who's going to make an immediate impact in week
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: one of his rookie year.
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: My goal is to get the best player. Yeah, right.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Who fits our style of play, too. And that's, you know,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: I think the low move. I don't know.
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: No, well, that's certainly open for interpretation.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: I know that that's the point I'm trying to make
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: is that it's a little bit feels like a little
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: bit of a stretch because.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: He was the last guy.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: Left, and he's not exactly the glass-eating kind of dude
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: we want. I mean, Will Campbell, his personality, that's a
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: Mike Vrabel guy through and through. And nothing against Lomo.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: I think he could still be a good player. But,
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: you know, I think, though, if they had taken, say,
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: a defensive lineman, that you're like, that's not a big need.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: He's one of their dudes.
• 57:42
  Speaker 7: Speaking of defensive linemen, did you happen to see the
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: fullback last night for the Chiefs? Same fullback that the
• 57:47
  Speaker 7: Patriots had last year. Tonga got a couple of snaps.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't see that. I missed that.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: You mentioned Daquan Jones. They signed him after the first game.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Why do you think they waited? Or is there something
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: that they saw... Is there some evidence that they saw
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: in the game and say, okay, we need to do this?
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: I'll let Mike take it. Not guaranteed salary. He's not
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: on the roster. Week one's a part of it.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: I didn't need to see week one to think that
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: they needed another 320-pound guy on the roster.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: I think we've been waiting for it to happen.
• 58:20
  Speaker 7: In fairness, I think that money might have had something
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: to do with it, but I think the bigger thing
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: was I think they wanted to see do we have
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: these solutions on our roster? Is Corey Durden, Joshua Farmer,
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: Lenny T, are these guys good enough? Because ideally, you
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: want those guys to fill those roles. Young guys that
• 58:45
  Speaker 7: you've developed, right? And I think they saw in week one,
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: were probably not good enough in those roles, because I
• 58:52
  Speaker 7: thought they did get run on in this game, and
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: I would have been curious to see how well they
• 58:58
  Speaker 7: ran throughout if they had the ability to throw the ball.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Do you think he's going to be available for this week, Jones?
• 59:04
  Speaker 11: I think so.
• 59:04
  Speaker 14: He played for Vrabel in Tennessee for three years.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: I just mean physically.
• 59:10
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't know.
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: They worked him out a while ago, too. My guess
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: is that he's been.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: They're not going to need that much out of him, too.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: He can be a very specific kind of player this week.
• 59:21
  Speaker 14: I think we talk a lot about depth as in
• 59:23
  Speaker 14: injury depth in case of injury, but the good defensive
• 59:27
  Speaker 14: lines have.
• 59:28
  Speaker 11: hockey lines.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Of guys, especially Seattle. Right.
• 59:32
  Speaker 14: And so I think that's the biggest issue with the
• 59:34
  Speaker 14: Patriots defensive line is that Milton Williams and Christian Barmore
• 59:38
  Speaker 14: are your two studs and they got to play a
• 59:40
  Speaker 14: lot to, in order to really have an impact on
• 59:43
  Speaker 14: the game. Uh, I feel like they could have a
• 59:46
  Speaker 14: bigger impact if maybe they could play a little bit
• 59:48
  Speaker 14: less and rotate a little bit more inside. I don't
• 59:52
  Speaker 14: think they feel great about their depth to be able
• 59:54
  Speaker 14: to rotate those guys more. So I think a guy
• 59:57
  Speaker 14: like Daquan Jones can now rotate with Corey Durden. Now
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 14: you kind of have four guys maybe that you feel
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 14: good about inside that can rotate and take some of.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 11: The load off of those two.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: Kind of like your thing with the old Patriots was
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: a six for four at the linebacker position.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: They had three inside guys and three outside guys back.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: When they were truly a 3-4.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: It's a good mix of draft picks, veterans.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: That's the point they've got to get back to.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: All right, phones are burning up here. Merv is in Connecticut.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 11: What's up, Merv?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 17: Hey, gentlemen.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 19: How we doing?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: Hey, Merv.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 19: First thing, people have got to stop thinking that Caleb
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 19: Lomu is a first-round pick. Lomu is a reach pick.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 19: And he was a third-round talent. And once again, this
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 19: entire franchise waited until the last possible moment instead of
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 19: trading up to get.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 9: An actual tackle at that spot.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 19: The second point I want to make is this goes
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 19: back to probably the second half of last year's second
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 19: Bills game and Drake May having a difficult time with
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 19: cover six. The entire first half, first three quarters... They
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 19: didn't show a lot of cover six. And then, of course,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 19: in the fourth quarter, Seattle pulled out all the stops,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 19: went cover six, and that's when all the problems happened.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Murph.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 14: Definitely in the blueprint, part of the blueprint that teams
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 14: are using. And I don't know what it is because
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 14: his numbers against cover two and his numbers against quarters
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 14: are both pretty good. But then when they play cover six,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 14: which is a combination of quarters and cover two, it's
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 14: They're not good. So it doesn't make sense to me
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 14: why that is.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Explain the difference between cover six and quarters.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 14: So cover six is quarter, quarter, half. So one side
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 14: of the field is playing it like quarters. The other
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 14: side of the field is playing it like cover two.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: And when you say quarters, what does that mean?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 14: Cover four, quarters, four deep across the field. So one
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 14: side of the field is quarters. So they have the
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 14: corners playing a fourth and the safety is playing a fourth.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 14: The other side of the field is quarters. cover two
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 14: so the half field safety is over the top of
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 14: that side and the corner is playing in the flat
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 14: so they're clouding one side of the field by having
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 14: the flat corner uh have a safety behind him so
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 14: like let's say you know he obviously didn't play and
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 14: isn't going to play moving forward but they can cloud
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 14: aj brown side of the field and have a safety
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 14: over the top of aj brown and they can play
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 14: quarters to the other side of the field of the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 14: passing strain so it just really is like a one
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 14: side's quarters, one side's cover too. That's the easiest way
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 14: to think about it. And for some reason, it's been
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 14: a kryptonite of Drake Mays. Like his numbers against it
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 14: are some of the worst in the league. Last year,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 14: it was 32nd out of 33 quarterbacks in EPA.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: So as a quarterback, is it possible to recognize what's
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: happening there? You know, Or is it really difficult for
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: any quarterback to see that difference?
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 14: Yeah, it's definitely possible. I think the problem that you
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 14: run into when you play... teams that play cover six
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 14: is that you have to guess right of which side
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 14: of the field they're playing, which coverage. And then you
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 14: have to hope that you have a concept that beats
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 14: that coverage. So like, it's a, it's a, it's a
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 14: game of dice, right? Of like, okay, not only do
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 14: we have to anticipate that we're there, you might call
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 14: cover six. We also have to figure out which side
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 14: of the field is the quarter side and which side
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 14: of the field is the cover two side. And do
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 14: we have a concept to that side that beats that coverage?
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 14: A lot of times, like you kind of just, In
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 14: my opinion, unless they're going to really start spamming cover
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 14: six and play it like 20 times a game, you
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 14: kind of just need to check the ball down and
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 14: live to say another play.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: I was just going to say, go underneath.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 14: Yeah, like, okay, so they got us on this one.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 14: How can we profit? How can we maximize the profit
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 14: here and just move on to the next play? It's
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 14: been their issue, though.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 11: It's been their kryptonite, no doubt.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: How much of it is, though, and this might be
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: hard to tell, is it they're just playing cover six,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: but they're actually getting to it And it's not just
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: that they're playing cover six, but he's having trouble breaking
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: down the rotation.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: I saw one breakdown for one of Evan's acolytes talking
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 7: about they did a good job of disguising it, make
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 7: it look like cover six on the second interception, the
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: DeMario Douglas one.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: It was cover six.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: And they thought that Julian Love just made a really
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 7: instinctive play on that.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of that going on.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 14: So I would say that this was a very good
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 14: ball-knower debate of whether or not that was three-cloud or
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 14: that was cover six, and we were going back and
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 14: forth about this for, like, days.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 11: I think we all settled that it.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 20: Wild parties i think we all settled on this being
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 20: cover six we talked to some of the guys yesterday
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 20: about it they all felt like it was cover six
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 20: as well and in this particular coverage uh julian love
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 20: was playing what's called a poach technique so his eyes
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 20: are actually inside to the other side of the formation
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 20: and his responsibility is a crossing route coming from the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 20: other side of the formation So he's sitting there with
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 20: his eyes on pop Douglas, just reading pop Douglas's release
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 20: of where he's going to go.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 11: And he's just jumping that route.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 14: And so in Drake may through it, he was just
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 14: read him like a book and was all over it.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 14: So it's, it's, It's something that I don't really have
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 14: a great answer to. I actually asked Brian Hoyer about
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 14: it for the piece that I wrote about Drake going
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 14: into the season. Like, what would you do against cover six?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 14: And he gave me the answer of, I'd kind of
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 14: just live another day. Like, if I see that, like,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 14: just take the open, you know, check down and let's
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 14: just move on to the next play.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 11: They got us on this one.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: I see some of those ball-knower parties, like, almost like
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: the framers of the Constitution, you know, debating the Constitution.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: I see.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: You know, that same type of intensity with their gatherings.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: It was a great conversation.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Where do these take place? Whose basement do these take place?
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: Whose mother's basement do these take place in?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: Are there snacks?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 14: I would say that they start in the group chat, right?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 14: The group chats pop in.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: This is virtual.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 14: Yeah, so this is like going on while we're all
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 14: watching Y'all 22.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 11: And then they usually continue in.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 14: The locker room and the media work room and stuff
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 14: like that once we get back.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 11: Boots on the ground.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 14: And then usually me and Taylor, Kyle's, we just look
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 14: at each other.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 11: And go, why don't we just go ask?
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 14: So then we just go up to the players and
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 14: then we, Hey, this is what everybody's talking about.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 11: Like, what do you guys see? And then usually they
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 11: give us, you know, their, their two cents.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: All right. We'll do one more call. Then we'll take
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: a break. I see you, Brian, Marty, Todd, Ben, but
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: we're going to go to Eldred before the break. If
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: I can get this damn cursor to work. What's going on? Oh,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: there we go.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Eldred, what's going on?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: Hey, nice.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 9: Hey, fellas.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 16: How y'all doing?
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 13: Good.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 11: What's up, Big E?
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 16: Evan, you're going to get mad at me. I don't care.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 16: That was North Carolina Drake May Wednesday night.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 16: It should have been 31. It should have been 31
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 16: to 13. Because you had three touchdowns. You underthrew Brown.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 16: And if he hit up, when he threw that last
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 16: touchdown to Matt Collins, Pop breaking across the middle, wide open,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 16: nobody there.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 11: He ain't wide open.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 9: Your boy Nick Cato.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: Oh, I'm going to ignore that then.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: I just wanted, you know, these little things are sticklers
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: for me.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: Okay, so if he doesn't underthrow A.J. Brown.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 9: That's a touchdown.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: How many more points do they have?
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: None.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Fred.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 19: Seven.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: You've passed the test.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: No, they got the seven.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 7: On the very next play, they scored a touchdown. Because
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: the ball got moved to the two-yard line.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 16: Because they got the P.I.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 9: Right. But instead of the P.I., they had seven.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: No, but they got seven anyway. You can only get
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 7: seven on a possession.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Or eight. On that possession, they got a touchdown.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: So they didn't lose it. The very next play, they
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: scored a touchdown. They didn't lose out any points on that. Yeah,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: because he.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: Got the P.I.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 16: If he didn't overthrow, if he didn't underthrow Brown, it
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 16: would have been a touchdown and end zone.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 7: Right. I know, but that doesn't give you 14 points, Eldred.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: You said they should have been 31 points.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: They still would have had the same amount of points
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: on that possession.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: If they just kicked a field goal on the last drive. Yeah.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: You can't just add random touchdowns.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 16: Okay, I just gave you another one. Instead of throwing
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 16: to Matt Collins, you should have thrown to Pop.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 11: He's not open, Eldridge. He's not open.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: He was, too.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 14: Eldridge, they're dropping zone defenders. He's running a slant right
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 14: into the linebacker, dude.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 11: He's not open.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: He's not that way.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: But I hear what you're saying, because a lot of
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: people have said the same thing you said, that this
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: was North Carolina Drake May. This was not coming out
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: of him in Carolina.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 11: Yeah, different argument.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 14: But I've seen the pop thing going around, like we're
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 14: screenshotting it when Drake May is like, yeah, right, let's
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 14: layer it in there like this is Madden, and we
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 14: can just make it, it's not open.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 16: I didn't say it's Madden, dog.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 11: It's not open.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: It's not open.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 7: The Drake May North Carolina thing has definitely made the rounds.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 16: When he was throwing the pop at the interception, all
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 16: they do is hit Steve on the corner.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: He was wide open.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 9: But he didn't.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 16: Like I said, he got impatient.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 9: He does that sometimes.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: The ball is a great quarterback. I've got to give
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: it to him.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 16: But sometimes, like you said, he's just got to take
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 16: the chance.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: We've got to beat that out of him. We've got
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: to do that. All right, thanks, Eldred. I'm hungry. I've
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: got to eat.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: You know what I think he hates the most?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 11: Thanks, Ian.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 7: I think he hates throwing the ball away, almost more
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 7: than anything. He's even taken sacks instead of throwing them.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: He took one the other day. The other day. Now
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: it's like eight weeks ago, it feels like.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:09:40
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  Speaker 24: I mean, we're looking at, you know, trying to install
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  Speaker 24: you know, I don't know how much we want to
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  Speaker 24: tweak things. We'll go through our game plan and, you know,
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  Speaker 24: just like we did when AJ was out there, it
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 24: was sometimes he was the X, sometimes he was the F, uh, Z,
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  Speaker 24: you know what I mean? We'll have to move guys around, uh,
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  Speaker 24: different positions.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 17: I heard you mention on the radio today that talking
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  Speaker 17: about Drake, I believe in something about you can't get
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  Speaker 17: bored doing things, right?
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  Speaker 24: Well, just the little things you can't get bored. Um,
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  Speaker 24: you know, taking what they give you. Um, and that goes,
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  Speaker 24: that goes for everybody. I mean, we're, we're, big fundamental
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  Speaker 24: emphasis here today uh technique has got to improve you
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  Speaker 24: know all these little things that uh can can help
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 24: you win football games so um you know if the
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  Speaker 24: defense you know gives you something and the ball is
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  Speaker 24: supposed to go somewhere then then then put the ball
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  Speaker 24: there and if we're supposed to be you know a
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  Speaker 24: look where we're supposed to can the play then then
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  Speaker 24: can it or alert it or whatever that may be
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  Speaker 24: defensively you know our checks and everything else and build
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  Speaker 24: on some of the good stuff on special teams.
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  Speaker 2: How are A.J. 's spirits?
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  Speaker 11: How's he handling the disappointment?
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  Speaker 24: Everybody's disappointed for him, and he's disappointed. He wants to play.
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  Speaker 24: He's a competitor, and we'll have to get him back
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  Speaker 24: as quickly as possible, obviously the four-game window, and make
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  Speaker 24: sure that he's ready to go mentally and physically when
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  Speaker 24: he does get back.
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  Speaker 6: What did you guys see in Daquan?
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  Speaker 10: Good question.
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  Speaker 24: I think we've had some experience with him in Tennessee.
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  Speaker 24: We got to see him most recently in Buffalo. I
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 24: think a veteran interior player that I think still has
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  Speaker 24: some good snaps.
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  Speaker 17: Ahead of him.
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  Speaker 5: Travion Henderson?
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  Speaker 24: They'll probably do some stuff today, yeah. Ben and Travion
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  Speaker 24: will probably try to do some stuff today.
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  Speaker 5: And see where they are.
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  Speaker 1: Was that a top element?
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  Speaker 7: I know Romandre played a lot of snaps the other night.
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  Speaker 7: I was not having was that a tough kind of
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  Speaker 7: element to not be without i guess.
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  Speaker 24: We kind of knew what it might have been and
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 24: we'll have to be prepared for you know a lot
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  Speaker 24: of guys throughout the season that aren't out there um
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 24: and you just got to get the guys ready that
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 24: that's step up in their place and but obviously we
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 24: would love to have travian we'd love to have everybody.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 19: I'm curious how you might be able to generate some
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 19: more interceptions when you look at it is there a
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 19: common denominator or sort of a common thread that you
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 19: can pinpoint in order to move?
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  Speaker 24: We always talk about working together to create ball disruption. And,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 24: you know, one, we can catch, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 24: Gonzo can catch the one that he, you know, had
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  Speaker 24: a great play on. He knows that. I mean, that's
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 24: not a secret. You could tip some balls at the
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  Speaker 24: line of scrimmage. You know, that's one place to start.
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  Speaker 24: Those usually get intercepted. We talk about those all the time.
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  Speaker 24: you can force the quarterback to get rid of it
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  Speaker 24: maybe a little quicker than he would want or then
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 24: have the ability to, in zone coverage, break on the ball. And, again,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 24: where the rush and the coverage marry, and we've talked
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 24: about this quite a bit, but the whole idea of
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  Speaker 24: working together to create ball disruption, somebody making a tackle,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 24: somebody coming in and hammering and all those different things
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  Speaker 24: that we want to try to do.
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  Speaker 15: What type of things, if any, do you say to
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 15: him after maybe a less-than-ideal start?
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  Speaker 24: Drop the pass. I mean, guys, everybody drops the pass.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 24: Everybody misses a tackle. You talk to him the same
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 24: way you always talk to him, like figure out a
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  Speaker 24: way to make a play to help us win and
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 24: did a lot of great things during camp just like
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 24: a lot of everybody did.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 6: And so.
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  Speaker 24: I know he's excited to get back out there and
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 24: get to work and to find a way to help
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  Speaker 24: us win. Mike, do you have anything to add?
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  Speaker 11: Some of the rookies, some of the young players showing
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 11: up and playing well on Wednesday.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: Are there any other things? Not well enough.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 24: Nobody did anything well enough for us to win, but
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 24: I appreciate it. Again, it was good to see them
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 24: out there. When we lose, everybody can coach a little
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 24: better and everybody can play.
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  Speaker 2: A little better.
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  Speaker 24: But go ahead.
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  Speaker 25: I'm sorry to interrupt.
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  Speaker 11: Were there other things that jumped out to you and said, like, oh,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 11: I like this?
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  Speaker 24: And again, knowing you didn't win the game, were there
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  Speaker 24: other elements of your play that you liked on Wednesday that.
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  Speaker 11: Stood out to you?
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  Speaker 24: Well, I mean, I think that to go out there
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 24: and not have negative plays, not have penalties, not look
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 24: out of whack with substitution offensively, I mean, again, the
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 24: execution wasn't good enough, but I felt like we gave
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 24: ourselves at least a chance to get into the football
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 24: game by not, you know, standing there while the ball
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  Speaker 24: snapped and a guy standing there in a stance and
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 24: some of those crazy things that can kind of when
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 24: you're in that environment and, you know, crowd noise and
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 24: opening night and all those other things. You know, I
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 24: think that, you know, defensively there were moments of, you know,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 24: good defense. You know, our ability to get off the
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 24: field on third down was positive.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: It was very positive.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 24: You know, like I said, I thought we covered kickoffs well,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 24: and we have to improve on some of those kickoff
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 24: return opportunities that we get.
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  Speaker 1: What did you see from Matt Collins?
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 11: It seemed like he really stepped up after A.J.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 10: Went down.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 24: Matt's always taking advantage of his opportunities. I think that
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 24: the quarterback knows he's going to be in the right
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 24: spot when he's supposed to be there. He's a competitive player.
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  Speaker 24: He plays on special teams for us. Just ready to
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 24: go and ready to take advantage of the opportunities. You
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 24: kind of go in thinking here's the plan. I may
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 24: play X amount of snaps. Something happens and then that
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 24: all of a sudden gets changed. So Mac's been through
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 24: that a lot, and we're comfortable being able to move
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 24: him around as well in those multiple positions. Do you
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 24: sense Kyle's role standing?
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 19: Sure.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 24: With AJ, we want to get Kyle involved. I've tried
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 24: to talk about that. But, yeah, I'm hopeful that Kyle can–
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  Speaker 24: Find a role for us and find a way to
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 24: help us and use his speed and catch and run
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 24: opportunities like we saw last year at times or some
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 24: shot type plays. Just like everybody else, not good enough
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 24: for us to win. We like where Jared's at and
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 24: his comfort level of operating with the quarterback and communicating
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 24: and Again, he had some good plays and had some
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 24: plays that we'd all like to have back. But I
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 24: think Jared's only going to continue to get better. When
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 24: it comes to the ground game, where's the line between
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 24: wanting to just line up and run the ball versus
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 24: wanting to use different presentations and maybe motions to create some.
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  Speaker 25: Type of advantage?
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  Speaker 24: Well, I think that's great. We've been through a lot
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 24: of different scenarios, and as long as you know where
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 24: they're going to be when you motion out of there,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 24: are they going to go with you? Are they not?
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  Speaker 24: You know, where's the where's the mic point? Where is
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  Speaker 24: the line going to where they push into? You know,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 24: so again, I think we saw, you know, at the
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 24: end of the end of the game in the last drive,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 24: our ability to to be able to hit some plays.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 24: And it wasn't anything magical. It was the same thing
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 24: we were running. We just were able to block some movement.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 24: We were able to get to the second level, cover
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  Speaker 24: them up. You know, I think we had a couple
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 24: of runs there that that were pretty positive.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: Do you believe in sort of the body blows, you know,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: mindset in the run game? Like, you know, wear them
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: down over time?
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  Speaker 24: I mean, I think we just have to be, you know,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 24: what we believe in is trying to run as many
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 24: positive plays and stay in as many more advantageous downs
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 24: and distances, you know, to stay balanced. And, you know,
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  Speaker 24: that's what we believe in. I mean, again, there's, We
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 24: don't want to just say we have to run it
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  Speaker 24: so many times. We don't want to throw it. Again,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 24: we can throw it 45 times, but there's an interesting
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 24: stat on that. When you throw it 45 times, unless
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 24: you're Tom Brady, you win about 20% of the game.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 24: We all know what that stat looks like. I'm just joking.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 24: We want to be balanced and we want to be sound. Again,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 24: we want to be able to run the football and
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  Speaker 24: be able to set some things up off of it
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  Speaker 24: so that, again, there's not just a drop-back pass. There's
• 1:21:34
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• 1:21:36
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• 1:21:39
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  Speaker 24: a team that is in split safety. They're in split
• 1:21:58
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  Speaker 7: The first game on the Wednesday night in Seattle did
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  Speaker 2: This is from Tucker in Virginia. Headline, Drake May got Belichicked.
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  Speaker 2: Couldn't help but thinking the Seahawks played the game exactly
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  Speaker 2: how Bill Belichick would have wanted. Force the teams to
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  Speaker 2: play dink and dunk football, don't give up any big plays,
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  Speaker 2: and then wait for them to make a mistake, especially
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  Speaker 2: against a quarterback like Drake May, who feels the need
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  Speaker 2: to make big plays. The good news is that it
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  Speaker 2: seems like the Patriots coaching staff recognizes that, and hopefully
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  Speaker 2: Drake May can learn from it. Although Josh Allen is
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: still making the same mistakes, he just got lucky that
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: his end zone pick was dropped.
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  Speaker 5: He did get lucky.
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  Speaker 2: So, is McDonald off the Parcells tree?
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  Speaker 20: No.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, he's not?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 13: No.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I know he came from the Ravens.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, I guess you consider him a Harbaugh tree guy,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 14: if that's a tree that exists.
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  Speaker 2: John Harbaugh.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He came from.
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  Speaker 7: michigan did he not uh michigan baltimore he was with
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  Speaker 7: jim harbaugh then he went to baltimore okay with john
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  Speaker 7: that's why.
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  Speaker 1: I said harbaugh yeah okay uh i was backing you i.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 14: Don't know if that's a tree that exists yet i
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 14: don't know if we they but jesse minter is coming
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 14: off that.
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  Speaker 1: Tree too wink martindale i.
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  Speaker 14: Would say like the blitz package is wink yeah winky
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 14: martindale uh winkish uh wink but they play with a
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 14: lot more structure than Wink Martindale did. Wink Martindale blitzed
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 14: on every play. See what Brian Flores did the other day? Yeah,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 14: he also blitzes on every play. But I would say
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 14: that the Seahawks play a lot more structure, just like,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 14: you know, coverage than Wink Martindale did. But their blitz
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 14: package is birthed from the Wink Martindale.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: It's getting harder to discern trees.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: Like, I know when Vrabel's squad got here, we were
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: all trying to, like, figure out what the tree was.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: And I think it's kind of a mishmash, but you know,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: even Flores, like what he's doing is not really what
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: Belichick was doing.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 11: Flores is on his own Island.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 11: Like Flores is doing Flores. I don't know what Flores
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 11: is doing. Some of the things that.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 14: They were running with zone, like some of the, I
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 14: watched some of the dropbacks just for fun. And that's like, what,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 14: I don't even know what this is like, what, what
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 14: are we doing? Uh, but like, I would say McDonald, um,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 14: you know, Jesse Minter, all these guys are playing styles
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 14: of defense that really stem from Vic Fangio.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 11: And then they're adding more.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 14: Exotic blitz packages, which is kind of like the Wink
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 14: Martindale stuff. But really, I would say the godfather of
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 14: all of this is Fangio.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 7: So I agree with the overall point that it was
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 7: a Tucker, the emailer. I do think that Seattle kind
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 7: of did what Belichick would do. I also think Rabel
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 7: coached in a similar fashion. The other team has their
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 7: backup quarterback in. We don't need 30.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: To win this game. Let's run the ball. Let's wear
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: on them and lean on them.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 7: And obviously it didn't work because, as we all said
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 7: for an hour and a half now, Drake made three
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 7: interceptions in the fourth quarter, and that kind of sabotaged
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 7: your game plan.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: But I do agree with his point.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 7: I think that's the way McDonald approached the game was
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 7: very Belichickian.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: Marty's in Melbourne on the hotline, 855-PASS-500. What's up, Marty?
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 7: Marty.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: Marty.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 25: Marty.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: All right, he's gone. He couldn't last through the break.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: All right, let's go up to Maryland with Brian. What's up, Brian? Brian.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: And Brian is gone. Okay, two down. Let's get down.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: Now we'll go from Maryland to New York. Ben, what's up,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: Ben in New York?
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 11: Hey, guys.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 25: Just a new listener here.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 9: I've been really enjoying the show. I got put in
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 9: by a friend.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 6: So I do have a question, though, a little kind
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 6: of as I've been watching, like, these games. And you
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 6: go on Twitter and you can see these responses. I
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: do think football is the biggest discrepancy in between what
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 6: experts are viewing it and how a fan views it.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 9: Because for the most part, fans are viewing maybe 15 games.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 25: A year, 17 games, plus if they're lucky.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 6: And you kind of.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 9: See it listening to these podcasts.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 6: Julian Edelman talked about these harsh round picks that come
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 6: in and you're waiting for their superpower. And you'll read
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 6: about this person on Twitter and Twitter will be like, hey,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 6: this person's terrible. To go back to the offensive line,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 6: I do think looking back at that game, there's a
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 6: lot of things that went bad. But I felt Will
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 6: Campbell looked pretty good. Did you guys see any signs
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 6: this summer? You guys get the opportunity to go see
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 6: these guys kind of in training camp, which gets kind
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 6: of inside edge on these guys.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 15: Do you guys see any signs in training camp.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 6: That this is really where his direction is going? And
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 6: he might have found that first round superpower?
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. Oh, okay. Go ahead.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: Or.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 6: No, no, no.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 9: Or is this kind of like a one-off?
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: No, I think in training camp, everybody's was, he's looking
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: pretty good, but let's see what happens when things get real.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: And I think he looked pretty good in the game.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 14: Yeah, a couple penalties that they got to clean up.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 14: The holding was iffy. I thought that that was borderline, but.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 5: I didn't like the holding.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, that was a terrible call.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 14: Yeah, the two penalties were really the only... They still
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 14: got to figure out how to pick up stunts over
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 14: the left side. That's been a problem all summer long,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 14: but for him, like one-on-one pass blocking, uh.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 11: Significantly improved.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 11: I did.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 14: I only didn't have him with a single pressure allowed
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 14: in this game. He allowed some people thought he allowed
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 14: 14 in the super bowl. So to go from, you know,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 14: whatever that number was in the super bowl, you know, high,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 14: whatever it was to one or two in this game,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 14: depending on, you know, who you trust, uh, That's a
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 14: pretty good improvement.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: There was another holding call last night in the game.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: I think it was on a wide receiver on the edge,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: and it was just a terrible call.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: So it was on a different player than the replay
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 5: they showed.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, was it?
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 7: They announced it as Cortland Sutton in the end zone,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 7: and then off camera they corrected it to number 13,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 7: and they never showed it.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 9: Oh, okay.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: But Sutton's block in the end zone was nowhere near holding.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: No, but this was the one I saw was near
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: the line.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was right at the line on like a,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 7: I think it was a quick, Quick screen or something?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Near the end zone. Oh, okay.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: He ended up in the end zone.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: He was blocked.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 7: I think it might have been the play that Nick
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 7: scrambled and fumbled, and they got lucky because the guy
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 7: was out of bounds. Snead, I think, had a foot
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 7: out of bounds when he was recovering the fumble.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: Todd's in Gardner. What's up, Todd?
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 15: I want to start by saying I loved the pre-
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 15: and post-game this year. It's been just amazing, so thank
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 15: you for.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 9: Fixing up, Fred.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 15: And I've got two little things that I've got some
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 15: concern about. One, I'm going to argue with our friend
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 15: down in L.A.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: I think he's wrong.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 15: I think Loma was a good pick because we didn't
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 15: know if we were getting our left back. We didn't
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 15: know if Will was going to come back from the injury,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 15: how far he'd get, what his progress would be. So
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 15: we needed to back that up. We have Moses on
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 15: the other side.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 9: It was a solid pick.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 15: You know, you can't get ahead of yourself. You can't
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 15: get over your skis when you're trying to build a team.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 15: And the other thing that I've got is I'm worried
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 15: about not, not Dobbs physical capability to catch the ball
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 15: or even run a route, but his ability to run
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 15: the routes according to McDaniels. Oh, I don't know if
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 15: he's got it in him to understand, you know, what
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 15: to do, how to adjust himself. And I don't think
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 15: he was in that game. I just felt like he
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 15: was just a little bit out. I know he wears
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 15: the helmet on them and I know he didn't have.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 10: A concussion or anything.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 19: I just, I didn't worry.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 15: I got concerned about that guy. That's my two points.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 15: And again, thanks for the pre and post game.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: Thanks.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 14: I don't have concerns about him understanding route conversions. I
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 14: have concerns about his confidence.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 11: And about his mental makeup.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: Not to worry about that.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, in this day of social
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: media and these young kids... in mental wellness and all
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: this stuff. I think sports psychiatry has a bigger role
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: in pro sports than it ever did. And you look
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: at Dobbs during training camp and when he had a
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: good play, like he'd really be demonstrative. He'd throw the
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: ball in the air and like, you know, if you do,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: if you're that excited about the good plays, how are
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: you feeling about the bad plays? And so that is
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: something that maybe the team has to look at and say, Hey,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: you know, let's try to aim for more of an,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: rather than highs and lows.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: I thought that's where he was going.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 14: Because I think physically I have no concerns about Romeo
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 14: Dobbs being a good football player, routes, anything. I have
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 14: concerns about maybe him mentally.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: I didn't have concerns of him getting open. I had
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 5: concerns about him catching the ball.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 7: I think the route was... I mean, that was a
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 7: big play. 10-10... You know, Drake is rolling out. They
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 7: dialed something up.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 5: He's open.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: In space.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 5: In space.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You've got to catch the ball.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 14: You knew that they had that in the game plan, too. Like,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 14: the dash pass, the whole concept, you knew they were
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 14: waiting for a time to call that exact play.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 11: They dialed it up. It worked exactly how they thought
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 11: it was going to work, and then he just dropped
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 11: the ball.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: The dash pass.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 13: Yes.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I left that part out.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: I thought that was what you put in your dashboard
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: to get through the tolls.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 11: No.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 15: No?
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 14: The rollout.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: That's easy.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: Dashing.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: You can put it in your dashboard. I'm going to
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: call it dash pass from now on.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 11: When you roll. The rollout.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: The design rollout.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 11: Call it a dash pass.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: Pay by plate.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: Uh is there a place where you get all this
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: information like this is what you call this.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: That's the dark it's the dark web yeah this is.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: Like really dark web deep web i mostly just google
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: stuff if i don't know or i ask somebody that
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: will so if you run the play and put it
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: in co-pilot say what is the name of this play
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: will co-pilot.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 11: No i have i have playbooks The playbooks.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: Plural.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 11: I have one from.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 5: Many let their bound.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 14: I have, like, ones from different trees. I have a
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 14: West Coast offense playbook. I have.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 11: I have another playbook.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 14: I have, you know, I have different playbooks, and, like,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 14: I can go through the playbooks and look at the
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 14: concepts and look at the.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: And do you buy these on the black market? Like,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: how do you meet somebody behind Stop and Shop and.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 11: You know... You know.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 16: Hey, man.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: You look up for playbooks?
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 10: Our.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 14: Our ball miller friends, you know, guys that are in
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 14: the league or were in the league, sometimes we'll share drives.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: They share the stuff around like contraband.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: I have the Patriots one. I don't know if I
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: still have it.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: I have an old Patriots one. I think it's like.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: Is that the one that was allegedly left in the
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: copy machines one day?
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: Back when we had.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: Sort of different relationships. Little insider. Back in the day,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: this is still in this stadium, but Where my first
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: office was here, it was next to a copy room.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: Small little closet with a big copy machine. And every
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: once in a while, football would come in and use
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: that copy machine, and they'd leave stuff everywhere. They're lucky
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: I'm a loyal soldier.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I would never, like.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 14: post the actual playbook i just use it for my
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 14: course you wouldn't i just use it for my own
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 14: knowledge your own edification yes correct and i don't i
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 14: try not to pass yeah i try not to like
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 14: call the route concepts what they actually call them you know.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: Just be careful evan Just be careful. Just be careful.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 5: We're all worried about you.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: Don't give it all away.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: You can just download them at footballxos.com.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some good ones in there.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Some old ones. I mean, they're all not a good site.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 14: Yeah, you can download some of them, but most of
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 14: them are limited in terms of like.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: And you don't know if they're real.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 14: Yeah, that too. But I'd say they're limited. Like, they
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 14: have like certain sections.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 11: It's not the whole thing. Like, they might have like.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 14: Sean McVay's drop-back menu, but they don't have his play-action
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 14: passes and his runs and all the different things.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: The 0-3 one they have, it's only even pages. You
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: only get.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: Half of everything.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: Weird stuff like that.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: Noah's in Toronto. What's up, Noah?
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 4: Hey, guys.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 17: I wanted to ask a little bit about the run game.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 17: Last year, they were 25th in the league in rushing efficiency.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 17: They struggle all training camp. They come out week one
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 17: Seattle's begging them to run the ball, like, basically exclusively,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 17: playing too high. They rank 32nd in the league in
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 17: rushing efficiency. And I just don't feel like personnel-wise they
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 17: should be this bad. Moses, I'm going to bear it, Tucker. They've, like,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 17: been proven run blockers in the league. Campbell is known
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 17: more for his run blocking than his pass blocking coming out.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 17: And they bring in Gilliam, Stephenson's a solid back. I
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 17: just don't understand why they can't run the ball. And
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 17: maybe the ball knowers there can elucidate that. But to me,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 17: it seems like something about McDaniel's game is just not,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 17: not working. And like, when you watch them, it's not like, Oh,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 17: every play, it's the same guy who is messing up.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 17: It's like every play, there's a different guy. So I just,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 17: I mean, the tight ends are pretty bad, but other
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 17: than that, I don't know how they sort of get
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 17: around this and what's going on. All right.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Noah. So when Ramondre gets hit in the backfield,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: like Noah said, it's not one guy screwing up. What
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: is going on where they're getting that type of penetration?
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 14: Well, it's a combination of factors, you know. Like, sometimes
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 14: the defender's unblocked. That was a big problem in this game.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 14: Julian Love was just... So, communication. That, to me, is
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 14: on the quarterback.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: On the quarterback.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 14: The quarterback's got... They have a can system. So, like,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 14: usually you can can from run... to run or a
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 14: pass to run. But, you know, based off of where
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 14: the defense is aligned, you can look at it pre-snap
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 14: and say, okay, they have six guys over here and
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 14: we only have five blockers. So if I run this
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 14: run into this front, then this guy's going to be
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 14: unblocked and Ramondre is.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 11: Going to have no place to go.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 14: So in theory, you would want to try to can
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 14: that run or even flip it to the other direction
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 14: or do something to try to account for that defender,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 14: you know, bring a guy in, block that guy, dig
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 14: them out, you know, whatever the case may be, but
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 14: you can, there's a million different ways that you can
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 14: get answers to that. So that was one problem. Another
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 14: problem is just losing one-on-one blocks. Like Byron Murphy just
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 14: blows up Jared Wilson and four yards in the backfield
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 14: that that's just execution. Like that's not mental. That's just
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 14: physically getting beat at the point of attack. So I'm
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 14: with the color. Like it's a frustrating thing to me
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 14: because they can't run the ball and they haven't really
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 14: been able to run the ball for years. Like different coordinators,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 14: different coaches, different personnel. So we got the last time
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 14: I think they had a good running game was maybe
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 14: 22 and Like maybe 21, honestly. And so that's frustrating.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 14: And I think in their histories as coaches, Mike Rabel
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 14: and Josh McDaniels have always run the ball.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: So like what?
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 5: Certainly in Tennessee.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: Can they get there? That's where I'm at. Can this
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: offensive line gel?
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: And I think there's a little bit of time at
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: the beginning of season where you allow some space for
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: that to happen, but. can that combination of them playing
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 4: better together and Drake recognizing when he needs to get
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: out of different plays.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I was looking for this year.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: It wasn't great in week one, but hopefully he can
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 4: get to that point where he can recognize these things.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: And like in Vrabel, Vrabel was so quick on that.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: He's like, can it quarterbacks got to can it.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a good question. I think it's all of
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 11: the above.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 14: If he just plays better.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 11: Right, yeah, I think it's all of the above.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 14: The third and five draw that everybody's harping on and
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 14: on about, about the call itself, I thought there was
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 14: more yards there. Ramondre just ran right into Barrett Tucker's back.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: He took some responsibility yesterday when we talked to him.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 14: So I think that was one that you could look
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 14: at it as the running back. Like I thought that
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 14: there was more space there than what the yards that
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 14: he picked up. If they pick up three or four
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 14: yards on third and five, do they now go for
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 14: it on fourth down?
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 14: Instead of, instead of punting there, you know, those are
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 14: the little margins.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: Um, Eric, uh, on the topic of the offense, any
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: chance we can introduce 21st century offensive concepts to an
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: athletic quarterback, to our OC one, one, Man in motion, please. Two,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: RPO concepts. Three, lose the stupid slow toss plays. They're
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: way too slow. It's not 2002. Four, how about our
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: wide receiver patterns that differ from north to south? Crosses, please,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: like the rest of the league. Five, design runs one
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: time per quarter for our quarterback. Six, how about go
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: empty so you can identify blitzers quickly and get the
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: ball out to the wide receiver in space? Stop playing
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: the game in a phone booth. Does any of that
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: resonate with you guys?
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 5: Some of it does for me.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 11: I think the motion thing is legit.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 14: I think when you watch other good running games around
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 14: the league, I was watching the Jaguars ran all over
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 14: the Browns.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 11: There's a lot of deception. There's a lot of motion.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 14: The motion isn't just to pull guys out of rushing
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 14: lanes and things like that. It's also to create favorable
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 14: angles in the blocks, too. So you can bring guys
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 14: in motion. Now, a, they have momentum going into their block.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 14: So they have a headed steam going into the block,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 14: but they are also creating better angles to fit the
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 14: block that they're trying to make as well.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 11: So like those things can all help.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 14: It's like, I think motion, a lot of people think, oh, well,
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 14: you're motioning a guy out of motion.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 11: The fit, right?
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 14: You're going to motion a guy from left to right
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 14: to get this defender out of there. Some of that's true,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 14: but some of it is also just doing it to
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 14: create better blocking angles and a better, you know, ability
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 14: to fit the run. I think that was probably the
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 14: one thing out of that entire list that I would say, like, I,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 14: maybe you could involve Drake more, a little bit more
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 14: in the run game. I don't know if that's his strength. Like,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 14: I think he's more of a scrambler. I don't, I
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 14: don't think he's Lamar Jackson.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: You just save the naked boots for the fourth downs and,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, aside from something like that.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 11: Or, like, a goal line package or whatever.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 7: Because that's a designed run, right? Like, if you design
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 7: a naked boot, I have no problem.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: I agree with Evan.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 7: I don't think he runs zone reads as well as, like,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 7: Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. You know, and stuff like that. Like,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 7: design runs like that. He's a better scrambler. The one
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 7: thing I did was kind of get to how I
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 7: was a little critical of Mike Rabel's game plan in
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 7: this game. Like, to just pound the ball. on early
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 7: downs constantly, I kind of like his idea. Maybe let's
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 7: spread them out a little bit and see if their
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 7: backup safeties can cover and see if we can put
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 7: some pressure on them by putting four and five receivers
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 7: into routes. And again, I don't want to live like
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 7: that against Seattle. I don't want to open up the
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 7: door for that pass rush, like as Evan says, dropping
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 7: back 45 times. I didn't want to do that. The
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 7: number of times they ran and threw is fine with me.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 7: The balance that they have, I just thought that maybe
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 7: they can do it backwards.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: Timing.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: Anthony says, was the last pick Matt Collins' fault? I
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: saw a breakdown where the person who broke the play
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: down said Matt was supposed to run to a goal
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: run a go to the end zone. That would have
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: cleared space for the out route Hunter Henry ran. When
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: Mack didn't, it allowed his defender to stay in the
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: vicinity of where Hunter's route was going. Drake froze, then
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: got pressured and threw the pick. So obvious Drake has
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: to throw it away, but is there credence to the
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: notion that Mack made a big mistake?
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 14: So I would say that that whole play was like
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 14: kind of a calamity. Like Morgan, most supposed to cut
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 14: the end. He doesn't get Dexter Lawrence on the ground.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: So that's problem.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 11: Number one.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 14: So now Dexter Lawrence is in the passing lane. Matt
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 14: Collins is right. I don't know if this is how
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 14: they coach it. This is just my interpretation. He releases inside.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 14: So when you release inside, like that, you're causing a
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 14: spacing issue with the stick route, with the route that
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 14: Hunter Henry is running. So Matt Collins, his job there,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 14: in my opinion, is to release outside and then get
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 14: run the corner off so that the corner that's sitting
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 14: outside in the flat can't jump Hunter Henry's route. So
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 14: Drake may is holding the ball, waiting for that corner
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 14: to declare. Is he going to sit in the flat
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 14: or is he going to carry Matt Collins deep? So
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 14: I think that whole thing just kind of was a
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 14: cluster and, Now the solution is just to hit the
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 14: player or lift to play another day. Hit the tuba
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 14: player in the 10th row, right?
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: The ball, right?
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 11: That's the solution.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: Miller's defense.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 5: He does say that it's on Drake to throw the
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 5: ball away. And he didn't.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 7: And I know a lot of people have said, he
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 7: looked like you tried to, I don't think so. I
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 7: think he was trying to give his guy a chance
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 7: to make a.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: Play and he shouldn't have. Yeah. But it was a
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: great pick.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, the guy getting his feet in bounds, but.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: The ball was underthrown. And it was not thrown away.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: It was in play.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: Like I said, even if he thought he was going
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: to make a play, you've got to throw that longer.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: Matt Collins has to be the only guy that has
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: a chance to catch that.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 5: So you think it was probably supposed to be something
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: quick to Henry?
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 11: So Henry was open.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 14: They were running Henry on a stick, and he had
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 14: the safety whoever was covering him. had inside leverage, he
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 14: was breaking out on the stick, and he would have
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 14: been open. But the other two errors, I think, was
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 14: what kind of caused the play to start to be
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 14: a train wreck, and then Drake made a bad play
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 14: worse by throwing the ball into harm's way.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Christian's in Denver. Is this Chris with the T-I-A-N?
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 5: Danvers.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 10: Yes, it is.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: What's up, Christian?
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 10: Well, pretty worried about the A.J. Brown injury, and I
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 10: just can't see him looking.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 10: Are resembling anything that we hoped we were going to
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 10: get out of him the rest of the year based
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 10: on this injury. Like, I hope I'm wrong, but like
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 10: everything you read and everything I hear, it's like he
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 10: would have been better off breaking.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: So, you know, let me ask a question. I'm not
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: going to hang up on you yet, Christian, but with
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: the IR. He can't come back until after four games.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: After four games, how long does he have to come back?
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: As long as they need. Until they start practicing.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 14: Yeah, once he starts practicing is when the window, the
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 14: clock starts ticking.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 11: So as long as they don't return him to practice.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: So there's no window after. Well, if he doesn't play
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: by this time, you have to put him on.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 11: Unless he returns to practice.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: Okay. Go ahead, Christian. I'm sorry.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 10: So, you know, that to me, okay, I look at
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 10: it as if I'm the team, I'm like, I got
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 10: to go forward with, you know, with, with, with, with
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 10: dogs and, and, and really make him the one now.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 10: And then all the other guys around him are going
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 10: to have to pick up the slack. Like that's how
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 10: I would, if I'm looking at it, And everybody in
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 10: that building knows with injuries, especially this type of injuries,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 10: like what that means, right? You can't really push off
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 10: on it. Again, I'm just going by what I read,
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 10: what I hear on the radio. I've never had the injury.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 10: I have no idea what it's like. you know, I think, like,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 10: the mentality is totally going to have to change, and
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 10: it seems like it's almost going to be a lost year. Again,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 10: I hope I'm wrong, but, like, that's the feeling I'm
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 10: getting from it. I'm glad it happened early that it happened.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 10: At least it happened early. Like, am I going to
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 10: be calling in December and saying he went for six
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 10: at 120 against KC.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 25: Monday night, December?
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 6: Hopefully.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 9: You know, I don't know.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 10: But I just, it's just a real bummer, and I just,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 10: I don't know. Like, Pop Douglas and Eftim Chisholm, time
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 10: to get off the park, guys.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 9: Don't get off the park.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 25: Let's see what you got.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 10: Enough with the camp specials and the preseason dollies. And
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 10: the same goes for Kyle Williams, too, by the way.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 10: I don't care that he's in year two. And I
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 10: want this kid in there running down the field catching
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 10: some deep balls and, you know, trying to take the
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 10: top off the defense and give these guys some room underneath.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 9: A little heated.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 10: Sorry about that.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 11: That's all right. All right.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: I like the passion.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 7: I would just say I think it's premature to suggest
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 7: that it's a lost season for A.J.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: Brown.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm not diminishing the injury. I'm not downplaying
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 7: it at all. I think it's significant. But let's see
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 7: what it looks like when he does come back. And
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 7: then how long from there might he be able to
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 7: do some of the things that Christian said he could do?
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 7: I don't think it's a loss of it, per se.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: They've classified it as a high ankle injury, high ankle sprain.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: Are there various grades of that?
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 11: So there are.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 14: Most medical professionals would say a high ankle sprain is
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 14: a tear. of the tendons in your ankle. Now they,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 14: they call it a sprain, which is kind of like
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 14: a gray area. I would just say this one sounds
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 14: like it's not going to need surgery.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 11: So you can do surgery.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: Because I remember with Mac Jones, that was a debate.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 14: Especially the tightrope. And this one sounds like they're not
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 14: going to have to do that. So I'd say that's semi-positive.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 14: It's a severe high ankle sprain, but not severe enough
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 14: that they feel like he needs the tightrope or some
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 14: sort of surgery.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: Well, that's my question. Do we know it's a severe
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: high ankle sprain?
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 7: So I think, in Christian's point, Mike and I leaned
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 7: on Troy Brown a little bit on this the other night.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 7: And when he said that some people think you're better
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 7: off breaking it, Troy kind of fell into that camp.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 7: Like the fact that it's a high ankle sprain is
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 7: something that if it's not the surgery, like the tightrope
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 7: surgery that Evan just talked about with Mac Jones, like
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 7: sometimes it can just linger. And I do think it's
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 7: one thing for an immobile quarterback like Mac Jones to
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 7: come back from that in three or four weeks like
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 7: he did.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 5: So he can get by. He's not running around.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 7: Wide receivers are relying on their ability to cut and
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 7: move on every single play.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 5: So I do think it potentially is going to impact him.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 7: Now I will say this, we've heard all these horror
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 7: stories about high ankle sprains and guys, you know, a
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 7: lot of people say Cooper cup has never been the
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 7: same since he had a high ankle sprain. I would
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 7: say that AJ Brown is starting at a level of
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 7: far greater ability than, you know, some of the other
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 7: guys that have been, but this I'm not, again, I'm
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 7: not trying to dismiss it. It's, It's a significant injury
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 7: for a wide receiver.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: Hopefully, he's able.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 5: But.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 7: I don't think it's... I think it's premature to suggest
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 7: that you're not going to get anything out of him
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 7: with 16 more games to play. Like, you should be
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 7: able to get something out of him.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: It's not going to be easy. Yeah.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: The question is, can they... hold the fort.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 11: I think that's the bigger question.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: Stay in position.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 14: Cause I, even like last year, I know they didn't
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 14: have a host of injuries, but like Will Campbell and
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 14: Milton Williams got hurt when they already had 12 wins.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 14: So like they already had this, this kind of margin
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 14: for error built up when those guys did get hurt.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 14: They were able, they were already in the playoffs basically
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 14: at that, at that point. So this is different.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: They got to go without him. Let's go to B
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: in Baltimore. What's up, B?
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 5: What up, B?
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: What's up, B?
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: Hey, how you guys doing?
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 9: So I want to know, do you guys think McDaniel's
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 9: offense is kind of predictable? It's like every time you
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 9: bring a fullback in, they run in the ball. It's
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 9: like there's no eye candy for the defense to look at.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 9: It's just straightforward. There's nothing– There's nothing going this way,
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  Speaker 9: going the opposite way.
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  Speaker 2: It's just predictable.
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  Speaker 9: It's like the same offense he's been running. He's got
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  Speaker 9: to get up to date with the day's NFL.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, other than the flea flicker, it did look
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  Speaker 2: a little bit vanilla. You know?
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  Speaker 11: It is week one. Yeah, the starters didn't play any preseason.
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  Speaker 9: But the offense was the same pretty much last year.
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  Speaker 14: Well, I mean, yeah, the offense was second best offense
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  Speaker 14: in the league, so.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, if you don't.
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  Speaker 9: Have good separators, why we don't run a lot of
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  Speaker 9: stack so we can get free releases?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Instead of getting pressed all the time, run stack so
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  Speaker 9: you can get the guys that can't separate free releases
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  Speaker 9: and get open.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't see guys getting open as a problem Wednesday night.
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  Speaker 15: No?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't. Okay. B, I hear what you're saying. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: for the call.
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  Speaker 7: I like their passing offense. I think, Evan, you said
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  Speaker 7: this early in the show, and I would co-sign on it.
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  Speaker 7: I think their structure of their passing game, I don't
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  Speaker 7: have a lot. I think they do a lot of
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  Speaker 7: different things to get guys open, and it generally works. Again,
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  Speaker 7: Romeo Dobbs is wide open for a 20-yard completion, and
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  Speaker 7: he dropped the ball. That was a really nice passing
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  Speaker 7: game concept. that worked to perfection. They, he can't go out.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, not to steal Giselle's line. He can't catch
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 7: it too. Like at some point players have to play. I,
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  Speaker 7: I think all the things that you're saying be about
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 7: the running game and sort of helping it out. I, again,
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  Speaker 7: would co-sign with Evan. Maybe they need to do some
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  Speaker 7: different things in the running game, motion angles, and, you know,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 7: you know, help the blocking out a little bit. And
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  Speaker 7: I do think they got a little predictable. I think
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  Speaker 7: they ran the ball on a predominant amount of first downs.
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  Speaker 7: And I think all they did was set up second
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  Speaker 7: and nine, you know, throughout the game.
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  Speaker 14: I would say that, you know, there's a lot going
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 14: around about like their their personnel being predictable, like the
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 14: fullback or Mac Collins being on the field.
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  Speaker 11: It's run plays with Mac Collins. I think every.
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  Speaker 14: Team has personnel that they use in certain situations that
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 14: you could probably develop tells like that or like kind
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 14: of trends like that. We just like hyper fixate on
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 14: the ones with the Patriots.
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  Speaker 5: Like why blame you on your milk?
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  Speaker 14: If you went and studied another team's offense, every time
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  Speaker 14: they brought in their blocking receivers or their second tight
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  Speaker 14: end or their fullback, I'm sure they run the ball 75%
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  Speaker 14: of the time, too, with the fullback on the field.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 14: We just hyper-fixate on the Patriots, and so that's what
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  Speaker 14: it is. But I agree with all of what he's
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 14: talking about in terms of the scheme of the run game.
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  Speaker 14: I think they need to be more creative with how
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 14: they're running the football.
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  Speaker 2: And you've always been a proponent of motion.
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  Speaker 5: He loves the eye candy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's just hard. It makes it hard to defend.
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  Speaker 4: Was that 22 or 23 where it was like motion
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 4: rate was our big like.
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  Speaker 1: That was the bugaboo. Yeah.
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  Speaker 14: And I think motion, you know, there's positive and negatives.
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  Speaker 14: I think one of the hard parts about motion is
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 14: it's all on the quarterback to get all that kind
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 14: of stuff started. Like you have to like time it
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 14: up with the play clock and the cadence and all
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 14: this different things. So there's some guys that are, that
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  Speaker 14: bogs them down. That makes it, it's too much responsibility
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 14: and it makes it harder. Like Aaron Rogers is one
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 14: of those guys that hates motion. Like, he says, you know, well,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 14: I'm not doing it because it's just too much maestro-ing
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  Speaker 14: before the ball is snapped.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not doing it.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: I won't do it. All right, let's clean up the phones.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to leave because I've got to call. Mark's
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: in Connecticut.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: What's up, Mark?
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  Speaker 3: Hey, guys. How are we doing today?
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: Hey, Mark.
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  Speaker 5: Hi, Mark.
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  Speaker 3: So I just feel like, you know, it's been a
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: while since the James Devlin heyday of when we could
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: just play big bully football and just run it up
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: the gut. And I thought bringing in Reggie Gilliman was
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: going to bring us back to those days. And I just,
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: the first game, I didn't really see him much. And
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: I'm just wondering, is there something going on with why
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: they're not running with him a lot? It just seems,
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: like the other caller said, very predictable. You know, they're
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: always trying to run it into our own guys. Like, literally,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: the running back is running into their own guys. and
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: I just don't see any off-tackle runs, any wide-zone runs.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: I'm just not seeing any... kind of explosive run plays
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: at all. So I just wanted to get your guys'
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 3: take on that.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Mark.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 14: I think they did do some off-tackle, wide-zone stuff in
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 14: this game. Obviously, they run a lot of duo. Gilliam
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 14: didn't play a ton. I didn't think this was a
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 14: great debut from him. It's going to fly under the
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 14: radar compared to, like, Romeo Dobbs, obviously, who is the
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 14: full-back blocking well, is not really high on the list
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 14: of things people are watching.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 11: Didn't play a ton. In this game, I thought there was.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: Do you know snaps? How many pins?
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 11: It was like.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: I want to say it was like.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 5: 14?
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I wanted to say like 15.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: You're watching this game coming up.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 11: I wanted to see a little bit more out of him, too.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: We're going to be the hammer. Sal's in Hartford. What's up, Sal?
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 9: Hey, how you guys doing?
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 25: I'll be quick. I know the show's winding down. Evan,
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 25: by the way, regarding the playbooks, as an attorney, I
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 25: would advise you to take a fifth and don't say
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 25: anything more than you already said.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 25: Now, regarding Dobbs, You know, everything has been about the
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 25: fact that he dropped that ball, and obviously so. My
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 25: concern with him is, you know, is he soft? I mean,
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 25: in Boston, New York, Philly, the media is a lot
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 25: more aggressive than it is in Green Bay. I always
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 25: have these visions of, like, Edgar Renteria coming to the
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 25: Red Sox and then failing in Boston under the heat,
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 25: goes back to St. Louis and does well again. Do
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 25: you think he can fight back? Do you think he's
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 25: tough enough to deal with the pressure?
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 5: He's not the first person to bring this up.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about it earlier in the show. I
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: think the Patriots management coaching step needs to recognize that,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: and I think they need to sit down with him
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: and talk about, like I said, the equilibrium. You know,
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: the lows shouldn't be so low and the highs don't
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: need to be so high. Kind of keep it in
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: the middle there. And like I said, I think sports
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: psychiatry is more important now than it ever was in sports.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 14: Bought a loud mouse on Twitter that you didn't have
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 14: 20 years ago.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: What a noise. Right.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: There's a way.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 5: A lot of noise.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: More ways for fans to get to you.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: That was some choice that is that a lot of
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 4: guys aren't used to how here it's relentless.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: And you turn on that radio, you never know what
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: you might hear.
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  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: Alright, that's going to be it for this edition of
• 1:58:32
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• 1:58:36
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• 1:58:37
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• 1:58:42
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