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Credlin | 1 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Krandland Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, day two of the campaign, at least the
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Speaker 2: first formal week feels like it's been going rare for
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Speaker 2: hasn't it? All Right, Let's get into the show. He's
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Speaker 2: what's coming up tonight on Kredlin. Darton takes on both
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Speaker 2: Victorian and federal state labor over the two hundred billion
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Speaker 2: dollar suburban railroad. It's a controversial project in Victoria, in
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Speaker 2: a state that's drowning in debt.
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Speaker 1: Both leaders.
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Speaker 2: Tonight too in Melbourne as we cross into the campaign
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Speaker 2: traveling teams and get you the latest plenty of polling
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Speaker 2: data out there too. So tonight we've got to bring
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Speaker 2: in the leading labor polster, cause Samarus to go through
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Speaker 2: the detail. Plus a little bit of perspective for me
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Speaker 2: in a moment on exactly where the coalition sits in
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Speaker 2: this race.
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Speaker 1: A bit of.
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Speaker 2: History here because trumpst be it's a lot closer than
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Speaker 2: some would believe. Plus Malcolm Turnbull won't be campaigning for
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Speaker 2: the Liberals, he says, and he remains coy on who
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Speaker 2: he's even going to vote for. Well, I'll be joined
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Speaker 2: by a proud Liberal Tony Abbott. He's out there campaigning,
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Speaker 2: not afraid to say he's a liberal either, A better
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Speaker 2: Darton too, laying down the gold feller to the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: challenging him to a series of debates.
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Speaker 3: We offered four debates. We haven't heard back from the
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Speaker 3: Prime minister. The Prime Minister is now committing to one debate.
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Speaker 3: I think. Is it committing to a second debate or.
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Speaker 1: A third or a fourth?
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Speaker 3: I don't think so.
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Speaker 2: But first, a whole lot of issues I want to
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Speaker 2: get through tonight, especially now that both leaders have made
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Speaker 2: their way to Victoria for the first time in many years.
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Speaker 2: The state will be a key decider in the election
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Speaker 2: today off the back of various polls, though there's a
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Speaker 2: lot of analysis and some handbrigging from liberals too. So
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Speaker 2: right now, let's have some history and perspective, because while
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Speaker 2: the political class obsess over the polls, the last thing
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Speaker 2: they should do is let poles drive policy. All that
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Speaker 2: polls persuade supporters that they can't win. Back in twenty
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Speaker 2: in my first election as chief of staff to the
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Speaker 2: opposition leader, Tony Abbott was behind in every poll that year,
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Speaker 2: but he went on to win more seats to the
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Speaker 2: twenty ten election than Labor then led by Julia Gillard. Now,
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Speaker 2: as I often say to people, in that election, we
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Speaker 2: won the seats, but we lost the negotiation and with
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Speaker 2: the support of those disreputable former Nationals Oakshott and Windsor,
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Speaker 2: Gillard then got into bed with the Greens and we
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Speaker 2: ended up with that infamous hung parliament in twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 2: Who can forget that Scott Morrison, Well, he too was
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Speaker 2: behind in every poll that year, but he went on
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Speaker 2: to win his miracle victory. Other people in the media
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Speaker 2: love to tell you what they think about the polls. Well,
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Speaker 2: here's what I know as a campaigner. Polls don't drive results,
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Speaker 2: its policy and performance. It drives political outcomes. And that's
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Speaker 2: what coalition candidates and supporters should be focused on right now. Now,
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Speaker 2: not fretting because the Laatest News polls turned a narrow
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Speaker 2: Coalition lead into a narrow Labor one.
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Speaker 1: Both.
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Speaker 2: Of course, this poll is in because this pole is
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Speaker 2: within the margin of error.
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Speaker 1: But let's have a look at the others.
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Speaker 2: Resolve, Well, that's got the neck and neck fifty to fifty,
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Speaker 2: and then there's a freshwater pole that's got them in front.
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Speaker 1: Let's go back to the history again.
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Speaker 2: A month out from the twenty ten election, not long
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Speaker 2: after Labor had swapped out Kevin rud for Julia Gillard,
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Speaker 2: the coalition was behind in News poll forty five fifty
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Speaker 2: five a fortnight, and then a week before polling day
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Speaker 2: we were still behind forty eight fifty two. Now at
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Speaker 2: the time I can report people questioning to me saying,
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Speaker 2: just how hungry was aver to win?
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Speaker 1: Did you really want to win government?
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Speaker 2: So he answered them with that remarkable burst of energy,
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Speaker 2: the forty eight hour continuous campaign that took us right
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Speaker 2: up to polling day. And it was that blitz that
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Speaker 2: brought home the soft vote that's won, the working class vote,
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Speaker 2: Abbots way and the fighter result. As I said, seventy
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Speaker 2: two Labor, seventy three to the Coalition, and of course
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Speaker 2: Gilli then did that deal to save her skin with
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Speaker 2: the cross Bench. And that's the nearest of first term
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Speaker 2: governments ever come to losing in nearly a century, or
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Speaker 2: at least so far. Fast forward to twenty nineteen. At
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Speaker 2: the start of that campaign too, News poll had the
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Speaker 2: Coalition again behind forty eight to fifty two, and right
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Speaker 2: up to polling day did it was on polling day
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Speaker 2: that the final News poll had the Coalition still behind
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Speaker 2: forty eight point five to fifty one point five.
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Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't just use Pole too.
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Speaker 2: Every single poll in that campaign had the Coalition behind
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Speaker 2: for the entire duration. Yugov, Essential, Lipsos and Morgan. It
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Speaker 2: famously Morrison had his come from behind win, partly because
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Speaker 2: Labor had its big target tack and retirees and uncosted
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Speaker 2: emissions reductions policies, but mostly because Morrison was relentlessly focused
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Speaker 2: on how Labor would hurt your finances and drive up
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Speaker 2: your power deals. Now, it's worth noting that whenever the
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Speaker 2: Coalitions fought power prices and made climate change an economic
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Speaker 2: issue rather than a moral one, it's done well. It's
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Speaker 2: only when it's effectively me too Labour's climate and emissions policies,
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Speaker 2: as it did with turbul in twenty sixteen when he
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Speaker 2: threw away fourteen seats, and again in twenty twenty two
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Speaker 2: when Scott Morrison signed the Coalition up to net zero.
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Speaker 1: That the Coalition's gone backwards today.
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Speaker 2: One or two Coalition MPs indulged themselves to become commentators,
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Speaker 2: offering free advice rather than prosecuting the case as to
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Speaker 2: why the cost of living crisis is Labour's fault. A
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Speaker 2: cost of living is issue one, two and three in
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Speaker 2: this campaign. You've heard miss say it's cost of living,
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Speaker 2: then it's daylight and it's this Prime minister that's causing
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Speaker 2: the hurt in your household. It's Labour's renewables only energy
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Speaker 2: policy that sends your power bill through the roof. In
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Speaker 2: its own budget papers, they say but for the unsustainable
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Speaker 2: federal and state subsidies, so payments that you make as
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Speaker 2: tax payers back to yourselves or power prices would be
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Speaker 2: forty five percent.
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Speaker 1: Higher than they are now.
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Speaker 2: Labour's emissions obsession will get worse if they're re elected,
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Speaker 2: particularly if if they're relying on the Greens to survive
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Speaker 2: in the new parliament. It's Labour's big Australia record numbers
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Speaker 2: in its immigration policy that's depressing your wages, making housing
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Speaker 2: unaffordable and clogging up our roads. Again, all of this
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Speaker 2: will get worse if Labor is sustained by the Greens
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Speaker 2: in minority government. It's Labour's spending addiction that's stopping the
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Speaker 2: Reserve Bank from cutting interest rates and that's adding around
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Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars a year to the average mortgage. And
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Speaker 2: that's Peter Darton's clear message. If you want real cost
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Speaker 2: of living relief, you must change the government.
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Speaker 3: This government has made an economic disaster of the last
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Speaker 3: three years and families, Australian families are paying the price.
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Speaker 3: And so we will always manage the economy.
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Speaker 2: More effectively, he says, You'll get more gas into the system,
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Speaker 2: He'll end the nuclear ban, you'll make it easier for
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Speaker 2: young people to get a deposit for the first time,
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Speaker 2: and he'll cut immigration hard that too, and he'll cut
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Speaker 2: the petrol tax in half. Now, this is my ninth
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Speaker 2: election campaign. Is either a staff or a commentator, and
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Speaker 2: none has been as important as this one for the
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Speaker 2: future of our country. Labour's policies are destroying our economy,
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Speaker 2: especially industry, manufacturing and the resources sector, and they're weakening
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Speaker 2: our society via out of control migration with no emphasis
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Speaker 2: at all on Australian values. Labour's emissions madness will threaten
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Speaker 2: our energy security and with that our national security at
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Speaker 2: a time with the world has not been this uncertain
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Speaker 2: or unstable in decades. If Labor is re elected, if
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Speaker 2: this week Prime Minister gets another go, we will be
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Speaker 2: poorer and more divided than ever before. And that's why
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Speaker 2: I say, don't I that this election matters as much.
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Speaker 1: As it does?
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Speaker 2: Right, there's a bit of a reality check there from
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Speaker 2: polling in the past. Let's go now, though, to Peter Dunton,
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Speaker 2: who moved into Victoria today for the first time in
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Speaker 2: the official campaign period.
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Speaker 1: He was in the set of Carwell.
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Speaker 2: Now that's fairly safe labor territory, but today it was
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Speaker 2: all about funding road and rail and that big fight
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Speaker 2: that is now pulled on with state and federal labor.
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Speaker 2: He wants to cut two one hundred billion dollars. He
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Speaker 2: won't cut, Sorry, he won't go ahead with Labour's two
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Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars spend on that much beligned suburban rail loop.
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Speaker 2: But in that spend was also a billion dollars to
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Speaker 2: upgrade one only train station in the suburbs of Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: This is for the new Airport rail line. Dutton's rejecting both.
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Speaker 2: He says, we'll do something with that train station, but
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Speaker 2: we're not going to spend a billion.
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Speaker 1: Dollars on it.
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Speaker 2: We'll scrap the suburban rail loop and he'll put that
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Speaker 2: extra money.
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Speaker 1: It'll stay in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: But he'll put that extra money into new roads and
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Speaker 2: pothole something that's desperately needed.
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Speaker 1: I know as a Victorian.
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Speaker 2: Let's crossing now to his traveling media pack and speak
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Speaker 2: to our camera reporter Can Redd and Can welcome. I
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Speaker 2: say this is big news because I tell you what.
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Speaker 2: That rail loop in Victoria, the suburban rail loop two
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Speaker 2: one hundred billion dollars Jesus, been controversial.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and there was a two point two billion dollar
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Speaker 4: commitment at least as part of that. Peter the Peter Dutton,
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Speaker 4: as you mentioned, wants to put to other things. He
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Speaker 4: says that this would never be delivered anyway, so why
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Speaker 4: is their money going towards it? The Allen government, we
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Speaker 4: know this was a feature of Daniel Andrews's time as
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Speaker 4: the premier in Victoria. He had a decade's long vision
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Speaker 4: of getting the suburban rail loop up. Ever since that
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Speaker 4: was rolled out, it's been controversial here, Peter Dutton calling
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Speaker 4: it a cruel hoax, which of course he is also
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Speaker 4: used to describe Labour's promise on power bills and the
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Speaker 4: tax cuts, so that's where it ranks in his view
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Speaker 4: when it comes to Victorian's You mentioned that we were
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Speaker 4: in the seat of Callwell today. That's up in the
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Speaker 4: northern suburbs of Melbourne. The local member there for Labour
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Speaker 4: is retiring, not really one that we're expecting to change hands,
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Speaker 4: but a little further south in Mkew and some of
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Speaker 4: those other seats in the outer suburban ring is where
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Speaker 4: the Coalition is really targeting. There was a slightly lighter
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Speaker 4: moment in amongst all of this. Peter Bridget McKenzie, the
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Speaker 4: National Senate Leader, the Shadow Transport spokesman for the smokesperson
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Speaker 4: for the Coalition. She was there with a big prop,
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Speaker 4: a big map. We love a prop on a campaign.
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Speaker 4: There was only one little problem. The map wasn't big
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Speaker 4: enough for her to show us exactly where we were
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Speaker 4: standing and the rest of the rail line.
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Speaker 5: I managed to get there in the.
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Speaker 4: End with her, though eventually go I can see you've
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Speaker 4: got a prop there, you've got the map here. I
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Speaker 4: know you how to go at this before can you
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Speaker 4: just point out where are the set of Call Well?
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Speaker 4: Exactly where are we on the map at the moment?
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Speaker 1: Well, Call Well, where we're we're up here in the north,
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Speaker 1: So where's the airport?
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Speaker 4: So there's the airport on the map.
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Speaker 5: Where are we looking?
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Speaker 6: You saw Cam, the planes were flying that way when
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Speaker 6: we were out here before. So Airport's over there, Melbourne's
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Speaker 6: over there, geelongs over there where I live, Wodonga, way
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Speaker 6: up the Hume.
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Speaker 5: Very good, I got it.
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Speaker 1: All right, Cam, I'll over there.
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Speaker 2: I suspect you in Melbourne overnight, but we'll see where
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Speaker 2: you are tomorrow. We'll see if the PM stands next
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Speaker 2: to the very unpopular Labor premier in Victoria. Let's go
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Speaker 2: now to the Prime Minister's camp joining us and now
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Speaker 2: of course from Melbourne too. He's moved there late this afternoon.
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Speaker 2: I've seen your political reporter Tritty Macintosh.
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Speaker 1: I made the point that you've landed back in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: It will be the first time he's campaigning here in
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Speaker 2: the official campaign, like the opposition leader. But she started
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Speaker 2: off the day in the very marginal seat of Boothby
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Speaker 2: in South Australia. He then moved into Karrenga MIT. This
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Speaker 2: is in Victoria, but it's down towards Geelong out on
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Speaker 2: the surf coast. It's held currently by Labor. This is
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Speaker 2: the seat of Karenga MIT. We've got Boothby up there
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Speaker 2: on the screen. But the seat of Karenga, mine's interesting.
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Speaker 2: My mum lives down that way and there's a challenger
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Speaker 2: on there against Libby Kocha by a former SAS soldier,
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Speaker 2: Darcy Dunster, and I think he's really going to take
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Speaker 2: the fight up to her.
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Speaker 1: It feels truly to me.
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Speaker 2: But this is about the last couple of days at
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Speaker 2: least trying to sandbag the seats that Labor currently holds.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Ethony ibneas heniece to soundbag Peter. That's the truth.
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Speaker 7: He's got a slim majority and he wants to keep it.
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Speaker 7: He does not want to have to be in a
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Speaker 7: position of a hung Parliament where he's then going to
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Speaker 7: have to try and negotiate to get confidence and supply.
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Speaker 7: We saw that though this morning in Adelaide, the seat
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Speaker 7: of Boothby, as you say, held by Labor just since
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Speaker 7: the last election. The Liberals are confident that they can
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Speaker 7: flip that with the former MP there, Nicole Flint. He
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Speaker 7: also though on the offensive today he went into Sturt,
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Speaker 7: the seat that's been blue ribbon Liberal for a long time,
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Speaker 7: Christopher Pine territory, if you want to put it that way.
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Speaker 7: But the margin is way for thin just zero point
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Speaker 7: three percent, three cornered contests there, the Prime Minister just
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Speaker 7: taking the cameras there for a coffee and then flying
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Speaker 7: here to Melbourne. The contests in and around Melbourne, as
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Speaker 7: you know though, are so vital for labor, Peter.
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Speaker 1: And that key question is tomorrow do we see.
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Speaker 7: Anthony Albanezi alongside just Into Alan the premier here. It's
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Speaker 7: going to be strange, to be honest, if she's not
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Speaker 7: there because the last two days he stood shoulder to
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Speaker 7: shoulder with the labor premier when he's been in that
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Speaker 7: state capital. We saw it with Peter malanowskis today Roger
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Speaker 7: Cook in the West. There will be questions if just
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Speaker 7: Into Allen is not there alongside Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 1: We don't know yet. We'll find out soon enough.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I suspect he'll give you pictures, so we stopped
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Speaker 2: talking about it. But he won't have a Q and
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Speaker 2: a why she's there. And I don't think we'll see
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Speaker 2: her much during the campaign, but he'll do it to
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Speaker 2: quarterize the commentary from people like us, Trudy, but we'll
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Speaker 2: we'll see a doct you tomorrow night. Okay, let's get
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Speaker 2: into some broader political themes. Here we join now and
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Speaker 2: by Sky's political editor who's also been on the road.
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Speaker 2: He's down in Melbourne tonight, Andrew clanel Hey, I must say,
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Speaker 2: made a big win for Sky News the Daily Telly
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Speaker 2: today confirmation we'll host the first of the leader's debate
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Speaker 2: in this campaign. It'll be one of our famous People's
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Speaker 2: Forums Western Sydney next Tuesday night. Cam asked Peter Datton
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Speaker 2: about this today.
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Speaker 1: Here's what he said.
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Speaker 4: What's your strategy going into that night and are you
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Speaker 4: ready to take questions from undecided voters.
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Speaker 3: I wrote to the Prime Minister what must have been
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Speaker 3: a month or so ago, we offered four debates. We
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Speaker 3: haven't heard back from the Prime minister. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: is now committing to one debate. I think is he
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Speaker 3: committing to a second debate.
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Speaker 1: Or fourth?
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Speaker 3: I don't think so.
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Speaker 2: Well, you and I know there's a lot of back
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Speaker 2: and forth that goes on behind the scenes with party
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Speaker 2: organizations and a whole lot there, but Gauntland, the gauntlet's
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Speaker 2: being laid down by Peter Dutton. Do you think we'll
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Speaker 2: get more of them?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well you'd hope so.
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Speaker 8: But having said that, ours is the best, So who
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Speaker 8: really cares?
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Speaker 5: The main thing is we've.
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Speaker 8: Got one with a daily Telegraph there, Peter, I think
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Speaker 8: ours is the best ordinary voters, ordinary voters essentially asking
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Speaker 8: the leaders questions, not just journos like may I get
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Speaker 8: to do it all the time, don't I?
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Speaker 5: And don't they love it? So I think it will
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Speaker 5: be a big test for both leaders. I think Peter
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Speaker 5: Dutton's got an advantage there.
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Speaker 8: He's got a three year record to attack anthy Aberanezi
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Speaker 8: last time had various problems in a nine year record
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Speaker 8: to attack of the previous government.
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Speaker 5: So he should be winning that.
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Speaker 8: He'd be disappointed if he didn't, and if he does,
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Speaker 8: maybe it can give him some momentum.
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Speaker 5: So it comes at a key time in the care campaign.
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Speaker 8: I might also note Peter that Melbourne has given us
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Speaker 8: by far the best weather.
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Speaker 5: Of the campaign. There's just it's a no contest sunning Melbourne.
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Speaker 5: Great to be here.
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Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, I would love to have a People's forum
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Speaker 2: with a Herald sundown in Victoria because I think that
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Speaker 2: the anger from Victorians has been pent up for a
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Speaker 2: long time.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that might happen?
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Speaker 8: Look, I'd love to see it happen, but there's usually
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Speaker 8: only one that we get, let's face it, and there
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Speaker 8: are other networks jostling for it. I think the situation
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Speaker 8: in Victoria is quite worrying for federal labor. I mean,
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Speaker 8: if you look at them losing their majority, it only
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Speaker 8: takes three seats, you'd really expect that to happen here,
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Speaker 8: Like that's definitely they're definitely losing three seats here. Can
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Speaker 8: they lose up? Can Peter Dutton went up to six
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Speaker 8: or seven including Teals. I think it may be possible
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Speaker 8: because the state government's.
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Speaker 5: On the nose.
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Speaker 8: Peter Dutton was out at a community crime for him today,
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Speaker 8: crime is a problem. We know inflation has been a problem,
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Speaker 8: the perceptions of the state government have been a problem.
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Speaker 8: And if there is anger in an electorate, ironic really,
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Speaker 8: given Dan Andrews dominance a couple of years ago, it
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Speaker 8: would be the Victorian electorate. So yeah, I think he
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Speaker 8: would face a tougher time here than he might in
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Speaker 8: Western Sydney. Anthony albinezy, but I'm not suggesting that that
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Speaker 8: will be particularly easy for him either.
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Speaker 2: I'd be interested when you're out and about just to
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Speaker 2: be looking at the collateral that's out there with campaign teams.
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Speaker 2: We see him out there on the hustings with Roger Cook.
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Speaker 2: Of course, I don't think he'll ever go west unless
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Speaker 2: he stands next to the WA Premier. He was out
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Speaker 2: there yesterday with Peter Malanowskis. I made the point, yes,
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Speaker 2: he's probably going to stand next to just Into Alan tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: That's only to shut us up. I don't think he'll
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Speaker 2: take questions with her there. But interestingly, we know that
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Speaker 2: there are campaigns, labor campaigns where they do not want
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Speaker 2: a visit for the Prime minister. And I also myself
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Speaker 2: picked up some material in the seat of Boothby. In Boothby,
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Speaker 2: Malanowskis is on the brochure, not the Prime Minister, and
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Speaker 2: Luisa Lafrost there in the seat is fighting to hang on.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of ease?
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Speaker 8: Well, that's extraordinary, isn't it. I mean it's one thing
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Speaker 8: for the leader not to be on there. That often
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Speaker 8: happens when the leaders don't have great approval ratings, let's
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Speaker 8: face it. But to check the premier on there and
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Speaker 8: to be honest, that's why the Liberals are worried about Stert.
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Speaker 8: One Liberal source said to me, look, we might win
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Speaker 8: Boothby and lose Stt because of the Malinowskis factor. So
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Speaker 8: I guess from Anthony Albanezi's point of view, of course
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Speaker 8: he's going to play on that and there will be
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Speaker 8: one time he's in Perth with it.
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Speaker 5: Well maybe Roger Cook will be there as well.
18:46
Speaker 8: That's his launch. He's decided to launch him Perth again.
18:49
Speaker 8: That was revealed on the front page of The West
18:51
Speaker 8: Australian today. I believe it's April thirteen and about a
18:55
Speaker 8: week and a half and that took.
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Speaker 5: Me by surprise.
18:57
Speaker 8: I thought he'd do it over east where he needs
18:59
Speaker 8: to retain seats. The perceptions is going a bit better
19:02
Speaker 8: in the West, so it is an intriguing decision to
19:05
Speaker 8: do it again over there.
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Speaker 2: Well, he won't be going well over there if he
19:09
Speaker 2: brings back the nature positive plan as he said it would.
19:13
Speaker 2: I'll get to that bit a bit later on the show.
19:15
Speaker 2: Hey the Independent, the seat of Mayo. This is the
19:18
Speaker 2: old downer seat in South Australia in the Adelaide Hills.
19:21
Speaker 2: Rebecca Sharky. She has said she'll call Peter Dutton first
19:24
Speaker 2: in the case of the hung parliament. Now doesn't surprise me.
19:27
Speaker 2: She needs traditional liberals to keep voting for her to survive.
19:32
Speaker 2: But all the other tials there're a bit coy on
19:35
Speaker 2: who they might support. Now, surely they've got to come
19:38
Speaker 2: clean before they vote.
19:43
Speaker 8: Yeah, what's an interesting statement from her, But she knows
19:45
Speaker 8: very well that if she supported labor, she'd be gone.
19:48
Speaker 8: As you say, so a lot of self interest at
19:50
Speaker 8: play there. I think the interesting quandary for the tials
19:56
Speaker 8: in other seats if they get up, is out of
19:58
Speaker 8: Liberal and Labor. A lot of them would want a
20:01
Speaker 8: lot of the voters would want them to go with
20:04
Speaker 8: the Liberals, but their policies are so different to Peter Dunton's.
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Speaker 5: How can that occur?
20:11
Speaker 8: But surely if he got to a situation where he
20:14
Speaker 8: won more seats and the two party preferred, they'd look
20:19
Speaker 8: pretty silly if they went any other way. So that
20:23
Speaker 8: would be an intriguing situation. I have to say at
20:25
Speaker 8: the moment, the polls don't reflect that. The polls the
20:29
Speaker 8: pole suggests that Anthony Albaneese would get seventy or seventy one.
20:33
Speaker 8: But we've really got a long way to go, and
20:35
Speaker 8: momentum matters, particularly over these next couple of weeks, and
20:38
Speaker 8: that's why Tuesday night at the People's for him is
20:41
Speaker 8: such an important night in this campaign.
20:44
Speaker 2: Peter I made the point of the top of the show, Andrew,
20:47
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have heard it. But we ended up in
20:49
Speaker 2: twenty ten with seventy three seats. Labor had seventy two.
20:53
Speaker 2: Now we lost the negotiation, but part of the reason
20:56
Speaker 2: we went through that seventeen day dance was there were
20:59
Speaker 2: two seats held by former Nationals with very conservative electorates
21:03
Speaker 2: who had to go through the motions. They had to
21:06
Speaker 2: look like they were negotiating with Tony Abbott. They had
21:08
Speaker 2: no intention of doing anything to assist him to hold on.
21:12
Speaker 2: They are absolutely and always were backing in Julia Gilla
21:16
Speaker 2: and I think that's the dance that some of these
21:18
Speaker 2: independents may do. The tials will not support the coalition.
21:23
Speaker 2: Maybe sharky, but the others no way known. What do
21:27
Speaker 2: you make of what's happened today in Bradfield? It was
21:29
Speaker 2: revealed on Radio two GB with Ben Fordham, but the
21:33
Speaker 2: TiAl candidate there banned from a hairdresser over a really
21:37
Speaker 2: inappropriate sexual comments she made to a young female apprentice.
21:43
Speaker 2: Now I have to say, if you had said that
21:47
Speaker 2: or a male Conservative MP had said that they wouldn't
21:51
Speaker 2: just apologize, you'd have lost your job.
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Speaker 1: Is this going to hurt her in the seat?
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Speaker 8: Yeah?
21:56
Speaker 5: Game over? Yeah?
21:58
Speaker 8: I think it will. Yeah, I think it will. I
22:00
Speaker 8: think the issue is a woman to a woman, you
22:04
Speaker 8: could have a joke like that, maybe, but not really
22:07
Speaker 8: to a nineteen year old, to be perfectly frank about it,
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Speaker 8: that looks completely inappropriate. And so yeah, if that seat,
22:15
Speaker 8: there's two or three percent in that seat and that
22:17
Speaker 8: could swing it. I've seen it before. I've seen these
22:19
Speaker 8: sort of things happen before. Monique Ryan two with a
22:22
Speaker 8: husband and the sign. If it's a tight race in
22:25
Speaker 8: a particular seat, people often vote for the candidates in
22:28
Speaker 8: the seat these days, particularly when they're not inspired by
22:31
Speaker 8: the major parties.
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Speaker 5: That could really that could finish it. We'll see.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think the comment's creepy and it's completely out of line,
22:40
Speaker 2: and I do hope it is well understood by how electric.
22:43
Speaker 2: Thanks Andrew and Joy Melbourne. All right, let's move today
22:46
Speaker 2: to the meny of the Reserve Bank and the decision
22:48
Speaker 2: has predicted to keep the cash rate on hold at
22:51
Speaker 2: four point one zero percent. Joined me now to discuss
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Speaker 2: this Judobank's economic advisor, Warren Hogan.
22:58
Speaker 1: No surprises here, Warren.
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Speaker 2: The Bank noted that conditions are still quite still and
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Speaker 2: I quote restrictive. There was quite a decent exchange with
23:08
Speaker 2: the Governor Michelle Bullock after the decision. She went into
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Speaker 2: some of the reasonings. She made the point it was
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Speaker 2: a consensus decision. What did you make from her comments today?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, good evening, Peter.
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Speaker 10: Very very big swing from the sort of decision around
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Speaker 10: a rate cut six weeks ago. And I think, of
23:26
Speaker 10: course this is further evidence that there's not a series
23:30
Speaker 10: of rate cuts coming, which does beg the question about
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Speaker 10: why they did the rate cut in the first place.
23:36
Speaker 10: But the restrictiveness that they're identifying our rates are higher
23:39
Speaker 10: than neutral is all you need to know in terms
23:44
Speaker 10: of economic management, and that is we are seeing rates
23:48
Speaker 10: remain elevated above neutral because government policy is propping up inflation.
23:54
Speaker 10: And if there was a different fiscal strategy then I
23:57
Speaker 10: think rates would be lower. That's the mess. I think
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Speaker 10: the political message from this this, even though the RBA
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Speaker 10: Governor ourself has done everything today to stay out of
24:05
Speaker 10: the political line of fire.
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Speaker 2: And do you think that they would have poured over
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Speaker 2: the budget and seen there was no strategy there, there
24:15
Speaker 2: was still out of control spending.
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Speaker 1: There was no debt strategy.
24:18
Speaker 2: There were deficits as far as the eye can see.
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Speaker 2: Are they the sort of things that would have been
24:23
Speaker 2: on the table in today's discussion.
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Speaker 10: Well, I think the fact that they were not on
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Speaker 10: the table speaks volumes. The Governor did actually say pretty
24:33
Speaker 10: much the budget as it came out was factored into
24:35
Speaker 10: their forecasts from February, which is to say, record levels
24:39
Speaker 10: of government spend, record levels of government spending growth outside
24:43
Speaker 10: of times of crisis. And of course the government had
24:47
Speaker 10: an opportunity to sort of shift or at least not
24:51
Speaker 10: its new spending and tax cuts, and they didn't. So
24:54
Speaker 10: the fact that nothing changed is that message that they're
24:56
Speaker 10: not helping us bring rates down.
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Speaker 1: Gotcha.
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Speaker 2: So we warned you we wanted to see some action.
25:04
Speaker 2: We didn't see it. So we're being forced into this
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Speaker 2: whole position. Hey, talk to me about the coalition's policy today.
25:09
Speaker 2: They've made a pledge to shake up home lending rules,
25:13
Speaker 2: particularly relevant to young Australians. This is about the serviceability
25:17
Speaker 2: the loan buffer. Currently it's three percent. They say it
25:20
Speaker 2: should come down to two point five percent. What's your
25:24
Speaker 2: thoughts here.
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Speaker 10: Look, I'm not sure it's going to do much. I mean,
25:29
Speaker 10: it may let a few more people in. This is
25:32
Speaker 10: all about having the ability to access a loan. The
25:36
Speaker 10: reality is these sorts of measures increased demand that only
25:41
Speaker 10: puts upward pressure on house prices. We know the solution
25:44
Speaker 10: is that we have to get about building a further
25:46
Speaker 10: coalition to focus on sort of putting pressure on state
25:50
Speaker 10: and local governments to increase housing supply.
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Speaker 2: We saw a story today that a whole lot of
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Speaker 2: your economic brethren are concerned in the swag of demands
26:01
Speaker 2: from the Greens that if they are in a position
26:04
Speaker 2: to negotiate with the governor in the event of a
26:06
Speaker 2: hung parliament, their wish list runs to some one hundred
26:11
Speaker 2: and ten billion. They want to hike taxes on billionaires,
26:14
Speaker 2: on miners, on so called excessive profits of big corporations.
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Speaker 2: I have no doubt, Warren, the death duties and all
26:23
Speaker 2: the other holy grails of the left will also be
26:25
Speaker 2: on the table too.
26:28
Speaker 1: What did you make of this.
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Speaker 10: Well, I think this just shows you how out of
26:33
Speaker 10: touch with economic reality the Greens are. It's just massive
26:37
Speaker 10: overreach from a party that has no sort of fundamental
26:40
Speaker 10: understanding of the economy and the consequences. I mean, for
26:43
Speaker 10: a start, you cannot raise one hundred billion dollars a
26:46
Speaker 10: year by taxing billionaires, I mean all large corporations. And
26:50
Speaker 10: I'm all for people paying their share and getting more
26:53
Speaker 10: money out of particularly global enterprises. But then mobile they
26:57
Speaker 10: will leave if you tax them too much. You're never
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Speaker 10: going to raise that kind of money out of them.
27:02
Speaker 10: And the fact that they're out there trying to put
27:03
Speaker 10: this forward shows you just how they have no concept
27:07
Speaker 10: of reality. And of course it's a scary concept to
27:09
Speaker 10: think that they are going to be potentially governing with
27:12
Speaker 10: some influence, yes, in the next term of parliament.
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Speaker 2: And also underscore that point you made about capital being mobile.
27:22
Speaker 2: We've already got a corporate tax rate in this country
27:25
Speaker 2: that's set to be double what it will be when
27:28
Speaker 2: the cuts come into the United States, which makes us
27:30
Speaker 2: it completely uncompetitive. Then factor in their cheaper energy, cheaper
27:34
Speaker 2: labor costs, we're out of the game.
27:37
Speaker 1: Just quickly.
27:38
Speaker 2: Thursday our time, we're going to see this new announcement
27:41
Speaker 2: for the President in the.
27:42
Speaker 1: US about tariffs.
27:44
Speaker 2: There's talk of media bargaining codes our PBS, what are
27:49
Speaker 2: you hearing.
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Speaker 10: Look, it's really unclear. We've got to wait and see
27:54
Speaker 10: what happens, and even tomorrow we may not get a
27:58
Speaker 10: full picture of this. But you know, this is a
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Speaker 10: world that is shifting and it's a world that's clearly
28:04
Speaker 10: going to be very different and challenging for us, and
28:06
Speaker 10: that means we need to have our budget in order,
28:09
Speaker 10: we need to make sure our economy is operating efficiently.
28:13
Speaker 10: I don't think there's any pending doom for the Australian economy.
28:15
Speaker 10: We're well placed, but of course we just don't know
28:18
Speaker 10: what it's going to do to the rest of the world,
28:20
Speaker 10: and that will eventually affect us. But it is highly uncertain.
28:24
Speaker 10: This is as uncertain as it gets in terms of
28:26
Speaker 10: the economic outlook.
28:29
Speaker 2: All right, well they were there at costs. We're in, Hogan,
28:32
Speaker 2: thanks very much. Cos of Mars is joining me. Have
28:35
Speaker 2: to break his top of mine now I'm a bit
28:37
Speaker 2: keen to see what he's picking up in focus gripts
28:40
Speaker 2: in the middle of the campaign. And the other bloke, well,
28:43
Speaker 2: he can't help himself. Kenny Malcolm Turbull today casting doubt
28:46
Speaker 2: over Orcus a whole lot more, including how he's going
28:50
Speaker 2: to vote at the coming election after the break. Welcome
28:58
Speaker 2: back still the can Tony Abbitt will join as August
29:00
Speaker 2: comes under attack from one time Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull.
29:05
Speaker 2: Now to yesterday's news poll springing labors step.
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Speaker 1: We can see it there.
29:09
Speaker 2: Already primary vote improving, but across the several poles it's
29:13
Speaker 2: a bit of a mixed bag, labor either just ahead
29:16
Speaker 2: or just behind in one pole even even with the coalition.
29:21
Speaker 2: All of them two are within the margin of era,
29:23
Speaker 2: which highlights just how tight things are week one in
29:26
Speaker 2: this election campaign. So how patch you the polls, how
29:29
Speaker 2: soft the vote and are the margins movie in the
29:33
Speaker 2: seats that matter? To discuss this and more, Joining me
29:36
Speaker 2: now Red Bridge director cos Samaris, because welcome to the campaign.
29:40
Speaker 2: I know you love these things as much as I do.
29:42
Speaker 2: It's hectic, but we're in the box seat here to
29:45
Speaker 2: get into some of these numbers. What's your assessment both
29:48
Speaker 2: of the campaign right now thus farther that the battle
29:52
Speaker 2: for the narrative, if I can call it that, and
29:54
Speaker 2: how much the soft vote is in this early.
30:01
Speaker 9: Well let's start with a second bit, because the vote
30:03
Speaker 9: is extremely soft and it still is to this day.
30:08
Speaker 9: Half of Labour's vote is soft. A third of the
30:12
Speaker 9: Coalition's vote is soft. And so what's going on right
30:15
Speaker 9: now with the Poles is the bounce around a bit.
30:19
Speaker 9: There is there is a skew towards Labor because they
30:22
Speaker 9: are successfully bringing back some of those voters that they
30:25
Speaker 9: lost over the last eighteen months to minor parties. There
30:29
Speaker 9: is some exchange between the two majors, that's there's no
30:32
Speaker 9: doubt about that, but it ain't significant and it's regionally based.
30:37
Speaker 9: And then of course the Coalition is losing some votes
30:40
Speaker 9: to its flanks. Now that will bring that. I think
30:43
Speaker 9: they'll bring that back, you know, once the campaign is
30:46
Speaker 9: in full swing in it you can see buttons now
30:48
Speaker 9: out in the hustings and filling that that gap that
30:53
Speaker 9: was created over the last few weeks. So I think
30:56
Speaker 9: it's very much in the margin of error and much
31:00
Speaker 9: doing play.
31:03
Speaker 2: I made the point of the time of the show,
31:04
Speaker 2: you know, we need a bit of perspective here in
31:07
Speaker 2: the twenty ten campaign. For the entire year of twenty ten,
31:11
Speaker 2: and indeed the entire campaign, Abbott was a long long
31:15
Speaker 2: way behind Gillard.
31:17
Speaker 1: He ended up with more seats than Herbert.
31:19
Speaker 2: Obviously, we ended up with hung Parliament out of that,
31:21
Speaker 2: out of the negotiation. Scott Morrison too behind right up
31:25
Speaker 2: until an including poling day he won. Of course we
31:28
Speaker 2: know that now, So right now it's about trying to
31:31
Speaker 2: get that early momentum and keeping it, isn't it.
31:35
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right. And look, I'll make the other point
31:38
Speaker 9: about how people interpret poles for us, when we talk
31:42
Speaker 9: to people about our data, it's a diagnostic tool. It's
31:46
Speaker 9: not a fortune cookie, right, And much of the inter
31:50
Speaker 9: polling industry makes the really critical mistake of trying to say, well,
31:53
Speaker 9: this is what the result's going to be, Like, well,
31:55
Speaker 9: we don't know. Right to your point, in four weeks time,
31:58
Speaker 9: you and I might be having an absolute different conversation
32:01
Speaker 9: with regards to the numbers. Yeah, we're still seeing the
32:05
Speaker 9: sort of volatility out there that should worry both major
32:08
Speaker 9: parties but particularly incumber governments. That's still there, and it's
32:13
Speaker 9: there in very big way in Victoria.
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Speaker 1: A reality check too.
32:19
Speaker 2: You know, I was at the gym this morning and
32:22
Speaker 2: one of the guys that I talked to there quite
32:23
Speaker 2: a bit is a trainer. You know, basically it runs
32:26
Speaker 2: a small business, so is not uninformed, I said, was
32:31
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to be able to make one of
32:32
Speaker 2: the days this week. He said, oh, why is that.
32:34
Speaker 2: I said, well, the elections on mate. He said, oh shit,
32:36
Speaker 2: have they called it yet? I went, yeah, they have,
32:39
Speaker 2: And I thought that is such a reminder. You know,
32:43
Speaker 2: we need deeping this stuff. The real world is only barely.
32:46
Speaker 1: Waking up to what's going on.
32:49
Speaker 2: Give me a sense of where the groups are, what
32:51
Speaker 2: people are saying to you in the groups.
32:54
Speaker 9: Yeah, and this is the important point you just made.
32:56
Speaker 9: So when we're surveying people, we are aware that the
33:00
Speaker 9: people that are completing our surveys are are not the
33:03
Speaker 9: person you spoke to this morning. People who don't really
33:06
Speaker 9: care about politics don't engage in political surveys, so you
33:09
Speaker 9: have to really factor in that skew. And these days
33:13
Speaker 9: it's skews to the left with online panels. So that
33:19
Speaker 9: will part that for the moment. I mean, there's a
33:20
Speaker 9: methodological challenge there which the industry has to always overcome.
33:25
Speaker 9: Then of course you've got what a voters telling us
33:28
Speaker 9: in groups where you are able to have and now
33:30
Speaker 9: and a half conversation with people like the person who
33:33
Speaker 9: spoke to this morning, and they're basically still in the
33:36
Speaker 9: same space. They are largely think that the system is
33:41
Speaker 9: stacked against them. They think that the economy is not
33:43
Speaker 9: working for them. And you know, I'm talking about largely
33:47
Speaker 9: people under the age of forty five, you know, particularly
33:49
Speaker 9: young mums in the our sabers and regions. They're still
33:53
Speaker 9: quite agnostic about the world around them, as in the
33:55
Speaker 9: political world around them, and they're not really tuned in yet.
33:59
Speaker 9: So that's where it's at.
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Speaker 2: And what about the younger voters and the point you've made,
34:08
Speaker 2: I think on social media recently about the trust deficit.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, it's huge. So younger people in this country,
34:17
Speaker 9: and I think across most of the Western world have
34:20
Speaker 9: a really big issue with trusting institutions, thinking that the
34:26
Speaker 9: economy is working for them. And I may say that
34:29
Speaker 9: younger people are extremely difficult to poll and can be
34:35
Speaker 9: quite volatile for incomement governments right now, So if there's
34:40
Speaker 9: a and why was that?
34:41
Speaker 1: Because why are they hard to poll? Why are they
34:44
Speaker 1: hard to poll?
34:44
Speaker 9: Explain that you can't get him on the phone. It's impossible,
34:48
Speaker 9: you know, like they won't answer their phones. And then
34:51
Speaker 9: if you're trying to get him engaged in political poll
34:53
Speaker 9: and they're uninterested. They because if their anti establishment, and
34:56
Speaker 9: this is some of the recesses that we've done, they
34:58
Speaker 9: think the systems stack to get instant. There are anti establishments,
35:01
Speaker 9: so sometimes commentators will misconstrue them as being right wing
35:06
Speaker 9: because they are gravitated to people like Trump or Wilders
35:10
Speaker 9: in Holland. But at the same time, if you're anti establishment,
35:16
Speaker 9: you're not going to fill in a polling survey because
35:19
Speaker 9: you think it's part of the problem, part of the system.
35:22
Speaker 9: So very difficult.
35:24
Speaker 5: Cod to talk to you.
35:27
Speaker 1: And also next week going on to talking to you
35:29
Speaker 1: about this.
35:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, next week I on to talk to you about
35:33
Speaker 2: influencers too, because they are I think the big game
35:36
Speaker 2: changer in this campaign in a way we haven't seen
35:39
Speaker 2: at this scale for four twenty twenty five.
35:42
Speaker 1: We'll leave it for next week.
35:43
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there cos thank you as always. After break,
35:47
Speaker 2: Tony Aviatt joins me out campaigning today in South Australia
35:51
Speaker 2: as another former Liberal PM says they's not going to
35:54
Speaker 2: campaign for the Liberals this election.
35:56
Speaker 1: Plus a bit later.
35:57
Speaker 2: On yet another bungle for labor around the whole issue
36:00
Speaker 2: of foreign criminals. A major leguer loophole exposed Welcome back
36:10
Speaker 2: the farce of Chris Bowen's batteries promise, just twenty in
36:14
Speaker 2: operation despite the promise of over four hundred and a
36:18
Speaker 2: spend of two hundred million dollars. But First former Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Malcolm Turnbull renewed his criticism of ORCUST today in
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Speaker 2: an address to the National Press Club in Canberra.
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Speaker 11: In recent years, our influence in the region has been
36:32
Speaker 11: diminished by the perception that we are just a rubber
36:35
Speaker 11: stamp for Washington.
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Speaker 5: I've heard this.
36:37
Speaker 11: Directly from leaders and foreign ministers in the region. UCAS
36:40
Speaker 11: did not help in that regard, as it was seen
36:42
Speaker 11: in the region as US running back to our former
36:45
Speaker 11: and current imperial masters.
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Speaker 2: Joining me out to discuss this and more from the
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth RSL Club in South Australia. Former Prime Minister Tony
36:55
Speaker 2: Abbott well Tony in The Australian Today, spy Boss, our
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Speaker 2: former Defense Department Chief Ambassador of course to the United States,
37:05
Speaker 2: Dennis Richardson, he accused Malcolm Turnbull of undermining ORCUS.
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Speaker 1: Now what's his real.
37:11
Speaker 2: Beef here, Tidy The fact that Malcolm didn't think of
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Speaker 2: Aucus himself.
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Speaker 12: I think that's right. He still wedded to the French
37:22
Speaker 12: submarine deal and the folly of the French submarine deal
37:26
Speaker 12: is that it was going to take an existing French
37:30
Speaker 12: nuclear submarine and spend fifteen years redesigning it and rebuilding
37:35
Speaker 12: it in Adelaide to give us a sub less operationally
37:39
Speaker 12: capable than something that exists now. So it was never
37:43
Speaker 12: a good idea. And thank God for Ugus because August
37:48
Speaker 12: will give us first of all three and maybe five
37:51
Speaker 12: Virginia class submarines for America and then we'll get the
37:55
Speaker 12: successor to the British student class. And I think this
37:59
Speaker 12: is going to give us the strategic deterrent that we
38:03
Speaker 12: need in these very difficult times. I just wish the
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Speaker 12: Orcus subs were coming now and not in ten years time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wish the Prime minister former Prime Minister
38:14
Speaker 2: decided to voice his concerns earlier than leave it for
38:18
Speaker 2: the middle of the election campaign. I note that you're
38:20
Speaker 2: on the election campaign trial today. You were out with
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Speaker 2: a good friend of this show, former IPA deputy director
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Speaker 2: Dan Wild. He's a candidate the Liberal set of Spence.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull was asked today would he also be campaigning
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Speaker 2: for the Liberal Party. He had this to say, are
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Speaker 2: you planning on campaigning at all for the Liberal Party?
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Speaker 11: No, I think it looks no I have no, I'm not.
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Speaker 11: I'm not campaigning for anyone voting Liberal vote. I'm secret ballot.
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Speaker 2: What about the fact you know he was asked the
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Speaker 2: question will vote for the Liberals and he says a
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Speaker 2: secret ballot at In fact, he won't even commit to
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Speaker 2: voting for his former party, sorry, his current party, he says.
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Speaker 12: Peter, No former Liberal prime minister should ever be bashful
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Speaker 12: about who he's voting for. Simple as that.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's I'll leave you there to be gracious.
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Speaker 2: Good on your Tony Abbott. What about and Adam Band
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Speaker 2: who has come out to say that Israel's to blame
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Speaker 2: for the latest atrocities committed by Hummas in their crackdown
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Speaker 2: on the protesters. This is obviously a brave individual in
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Speaker 2: Gaza who was campaigning against Hummas tortured and kill. It's
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Speaker 2: all Israel's fault, says Adam Band.
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Speaker 1: And surely is disqualifies.
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Speaker 2: Him from leading any political party, even the Greens.
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Speaker 12: And look, what I think is most appalling is that
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Speaker 12: the Labor part is still going to give the Greens
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Speaker 12: their preferences ahead of the Coalition, whereas Peter Darton, to
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Speaker 12: his credit, is going to preference Labor ahead.
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Speaker 1: Of the Greens.
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Speaker 12: I mean, this sympathy for her mass that the Greens
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Speaker 12: have and which sections of the Labor Party is just outrageous,
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Speaker 12: as shown by the fact that a mass have just
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Speaker 12: butchered in cold blood at least six of the people
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Speaker 12: who had the temerity to protest in favor of freedom
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Speaker 12: and to stop the war.
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Speaker 2: I want to ask you about this Chinese spiship of
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Speaker 2: our coast. The Australians reported the Defense Force has passed
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Speaker 2: on responsibility for monitoring it to Australian brought a force,
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Speaker 2: so not our Navy, not other intelligence services.
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Speaker 1: It'll be brought a force now.
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Speaker 2: The PM, when asked about it this week, has been
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Speaker 2: pretty timid in his response. He said, well, I'd prefer
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Speaker 2: it wasn't there. I mean, surely we've got to have
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Speaker 2: a stronger response to what's happened on our coastline over
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Speaker 2: the past couple of months.
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Speaker 12: There's a couple of problems here, Peter. First, we don't
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Speaker 12: have enough Navy ships. That's why the Navy's not doing
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Speaker 12: this job. And second, there's got to be more of
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Speaker 12: a tit for tat response to these acts of intimidation
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Speaker 12: from Beijing. Why doesn't our navy do live fire exercises
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Speaker 12: off the coast of China? Why don't our oceanographic ships
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Speaker 12: do these sorts of things in the South China Sea.
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Speaker 12: A serious country does not put up with being bullied
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Speaker 12: and pushed around, and unfortunately we have been bullied and
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Speaker 12: pushed around by Beijing under the current government.
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Speaker 2: I just want to say tonight, you know there's a
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Speaker 2: few despondent liberals as the poles have been bouncing around
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Speaker 2: at the last couple of days starting this campaign, behind
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Speaker 2: in news poll aheaded another nil or draw it another poll,
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Speaker 2: desperate as they are level supporters for a change of government.
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Speaker 2: I'm made the point at the top of the show.
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Speaker 2: When you were their first time as opposition leader in
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Speaker 2: twenty ten, you were behind every single day that year,
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Speaker 2: including a campaign, but one more seats in the race
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Speaker 2: against Julia Gillard Scott Morrison, similarly one in twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 2: being behind in the polls the whole time.
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Speaker 1: If you could send a message.
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Speaker 2: To coalition supporters tonight and candidates, what would it.
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Speaker 1: Be, Well, just push on.
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Speaker 12: I mean there is a cost of living crisis in
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Speaker 12: this country, and Anthony Alberizi is to blame because his
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Speaker 12: government has made it worse. And as far as I
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Speaker 12: can work out, Peter Dutton has a very simple message.
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Speaker 12: You'll get more gas into the system, you'll end the
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Speaker 12: nuclear ban, You'll make it easier for first home buyers
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Speaker 12: to get a deposit. He'll cut immigration hard. And here's
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Speaker 12: the beauty. He's game to take fourteen dollars off the
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Speaker 12: cost of a tank of petrol. Now I've been out
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Speaker 12: in Spence today. It's the most car dependent seat in
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Speaker 12: the country. Seventy two percent of the people in this
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Speaker 12: seat and out of Metropolitan Adelaide use their cars to
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Speaker 12: go to work. Fifty four percent have two cars, twenty
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Speaker 12: percent have three cars, ninety eight percent have internal combustion engines.
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Speaker 12: These are the beneficiaries of a coalition win and I
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Speaker 12: think it's all there for the taking.
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Speaker 1: There you go.
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Speaker 2: I know you love to get out on the hustings.
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Speaker 2: I know you love a campaign, so I'll leave you
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Speaker 2: to get back to it. In South Australa, Tony Abbitt
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Speaker 2: thank you after the Rag Labour's let us foreign criminals
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Speaker 2: blunder class, Roger Cook well, he's gone a bit rogue
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Speaker 2: with Labor very angry that the nature positive plans are
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Speaker 2: coming back. If Albanese's reelected, welcome back. Let's bring in
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Speaker 2: my panel from the campaign trail in Western City, in
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Speaker 2: the seat of werrowa senior fellow at the Mensies Research Center,
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Speaker 2: columnists at Australian Nikata and the chief executive at the
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Speaker 2: Page Institute, Jered Holland. Gents welcome this loophole. I cannot
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Speaker 2: believe it in relation to foreign criminals. It turns out
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Speaker 2: that there is no mandatory minimum sentencing. As the bloke
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Speaker 2: allegedly involved in that shooting over the weekend in Melbourne,
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Speaker 2: he's back out on bail. He's had five bail releases today.
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Speaker 2: This is Doneber six. They rush this legislation through Nick.
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Speaker 2: They've got powers in it that they have never used
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Speaker 2: and now we find a soft judge can drive a
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Speaker 2: truck through the legislation.
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Speaker 13: It's extremely poor legislation, Peter. And if you remember, as
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Speaker 13: I do, when it went through the Parliament, it only
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Speaker 13: went through the Parliament because Peter Dutton insisted that it
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Speaker 13: did and Labor was shamed into doing it. They didn't
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Speaker 13: want to do it. And my understanding is actually called
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Speaker 13: on Peter Dutton's people to help them draft it at
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Speaker 13: the last minute. It was rushed through. It was not
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Speaker 13: what Labor wanted to do. They did it because of
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Speaker 13: the tremendous outcry there was at the time. They have
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Speaker 13: not made any attempt to improve or to make sure
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Speaker 13: it's applied properly, and we are seeing the results and
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Speaker 13: people are very angry.
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Speaker 2: Stay on Immigration and the departments involved here, if I
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Speaker 2: can jured, it's been revealed that Home Affairs automatically registered
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Speaker 2: a whole in a migration agent that they suspected of
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Speaker 2: criminal activity and then they dismissed without investigation hundreds of complaints.
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Speaker 2: Now this is the same area, the same department that
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Speaker 2: say trust us. We vetted all the three thousand people
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Speaker 2: that came to Australia from Gaza.
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Speaker 1: I don't buy it.
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Speaker 14: Exactly right, Peter. As I understand it, less than ten
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Speaker 14: percent of complaints were actually followed through an investigated and
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Speaker 14: forty percent of these migration lawyers were suspected of criminal
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Speaker 14: activity were waived right through due to the way that
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Speaker 14: the system works. And we've brought in forty thousand new
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Speaker 14: public servants since labor has taken government and they're clearly
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Speaker 14: not doing their job, and people are losing trust in
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Speaker 14: their institutions because the institutions are no longer serving them
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Speaker 14: in the way they should be.
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Speaker 2: Hey, it might have been happy Families Dick when they
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Speaker 2: stood together just the other day. But Roger Cook, the
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Speaker 2: Premier in Wa, he's gone rogue now. He's really angry
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Speaker 2: at the thought that the Prime minister who's made an
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Speaker 2: announcement is going to bring back those very controversial nature
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Speaker 2: positive laws.
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Speaker 1: He's not stupid, Roger Cook.
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Speaker 2: He knows that these laws were really hurt the economy
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Speaker 2: in Wa. I don't think it's going to be as
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Speaker 2: friendly when they meet again.
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Speaker 13: No, I don't think so. Peter Dutton's onto this.
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Speaker 5: Of course.
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Speaker 13: He's promised to expand the browse base in thirty days
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Speaker 13: if he becomes prime minister. You see, this is the
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Speaker 13: important thing, isn't it, Peter. For the future prosperity of
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Speaker 13: our country, we need to be developing these sort of
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Speaker 13: things now. And of course these nature positive laws are
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Speaker 13: they affect farming, they affect the resource industry. They will
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Speaker 13: affect gas, So the gas that we desperately need right
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Speaker 13: now will take even longer in coming if it comes
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Speaker 13: at all, if these laws go ahead, So you have
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Speaker 13: a clear choice at this election, I think between a
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Speaker 13: pro resources, pro prosperity government and one that is deep
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Speaker 13: in the pockets of the Greens.
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Speaker 2: That King clown, Chris barn was out there today, not
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Speaker 2: a big press conferences, a little bit of social media
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Speaker 2: announcing or opening formally opening. I think it was one
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Speaker 2: of those new community batteries. But it just then reminded
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Speaker 2: us to look into the detail of the project. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he promised four hundred of them. He's got twenty of
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Speaker 2: them out there. He's just announced one, so number twenty one.
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Speaker 2: I'm up there and kicking a two hundred million dollar cost.
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Speaker 1: Jeret Peter.
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Speaker 14: It's an astronomical cost. And the other thing to remember
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Speaker 14: is these batteries will only power about one hundred homes
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Speaker 14: each for two to four hours, and they rely on
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Speaker 14: the excess energy being generated from solar panels on people's
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Speaker 14: homes in order to then recharge them again. The fact
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Speaker 14: is that there is no better peaking fuel then gas
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Speaker 14: batteries cannot do the job, and there is no better
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Speaker 14: baseload power source than colon nuclear and the entire strategy
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Speaker 14: that the government has been running at for the last
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Speaker 14: couple of years is why power bills continue to rise
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Speaker 14: and will continue to rise unless we have a really
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Speaker 14: quick change.
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Speaker 2: Of course, Nick, our race Discrimination commissioner, says that linking
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Speaker 2: the housing shortage, as I do often to the surge
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Speaker 2: in migration, isn't I quote bile, the bile of racism.
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Speaker 1: It's not. It's an economic reality.
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Speaker 13: You've heard the expression having to do a man with
49:03
Speaker 13: a hammer, Everything looks like a nail and I think
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Speaker 13: if you're the race commissioner, everything looks like racism.
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Speaker 5: Of course it's reality, Peter. You can just do the numbers.
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Speaker 13: You know, you bring in a million people, every one
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Speaker 13: of them presumably wants a home to live in. It's
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Speaker 13: going to put pressure on the housing market. So I
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Speaker 13: think it is absolute nonsense what he's saying.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm here in.
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Speaker 13: This part of the world and where were people of
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Speaker 13: saving up going to get a new block of land
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Speaker 13: which have been made available and they're suffering all the
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Speaker 13: mortgage stress for that. People naturally want houses and good
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Speaker 13: on them. But I think that this is just nonsense
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Speaker 13: from the Race Relations Commissioner, who I Gather is a
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Speaker 13: labor lawyer from a long time back.
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Speaker 1: I'll over there, Gens. Just before we go, Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 2: The very Interestingly, she's been paid half a million dollars
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Speaker 2: despute to real estates on the Gold Coast in a
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Speaker 2: couple of months time.
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Speaker 1: Unbelievable. That's it for me. Cenamo ninited six. Here's Andrew