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Avoiding the Comparison Trap in Ministry | FT Jonathan L. Woods Sr. | EP66 · Jess Ask

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  Speaker 1: Yo, it's your girl, Jessica as Smith, and you already
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  Speaker 1: And then you know it's about to get real, So
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  Speaker 3: For another day. Hey, hey, I know we could be
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  Speaker 1: Jesus listen, y'all, listen, you just entered the safe space,
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  Speaker 1: Go ay ay, that's all right, that's all right, that's
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  Speaker 5: Yet again?
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  Speaker 2: Right now, it does, thank you, because I'm getting there.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, man, but we're gonna do the this is okay,
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  Speaker 2: We're about to do it. Man does a ray. I'm nervous,
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  Speaker 2: and listen when I tell you, I already feel God.
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  Speaker 2: I ain't lying either.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you in along, it's dress.
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  Speaker 2: Oh we got so all, we got some all in here.
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  Speaker 2: If y'all know that lamp. Y'all know I've been not
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  Speaker 2: two thousand people.
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  Speaker 4: Let's be right now.
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  Speaker 2: Let's be right now, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: So before I get into into introducing him, you you
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  Speaker 2: And we're doing some different things here. It just ass
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  Speaker 2: we're switching it up.
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  Speaker 1: When God gave me, uh some words, some language last
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  Speaker 1: year at the podcast I'm in twenty twenty three and
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  Speaker 1: I thought it would. I know it's gonna go beyond
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  Speaker 1: be transparent, and you get to learn different things. Now
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  Speaker 1: when I tell you, Holy and Spirit will be here, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I already feel the tremblings of Bahard because it's man,
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  Speaker 1: they say what two or three aregether? And man, it's
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  Speaker 1: building he is d is the pastor of none other
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  Speaker 1: than All Nations Church fair Field, our very all, our
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  Speaker 1: our leader, our voice, none other than Bishop Jonathan L.
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  Speaker 5: What what's up?
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  Speaker 2: Listen? Do y'all see how you first of all youthfulness.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, do you see the skin as some that is
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  Speaker 1: not a skin regimen?
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  Speaker 2: That is all Bishop was.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, listen, y'all see we match you go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and get the match.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all see the hat, I got the jacket.
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  Speaker 1: It's you know, your a little sweat going on in here,
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  Speaker 1: like scripted, just just here.
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  Speaker 2: So I know it's about God. It's about to be good.
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  Speaker 5: I'm supposed to being here. I'm supposed to be present
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  Speaker 5: and learn, you know, what I need to do to
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  Speaker 5: be better.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna what is that iron shoppers?
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  Speaker 5: All right?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Iron?
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  Speaker 2: So how you feeling Bishop?
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  Speaker 5: I'm feeling great. I'm feeling great.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 5: This is a great season of my life, a pivotal time,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm just feeling great and just celebrated blah my
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  Speaker 5: forty fourth birthday.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, somebody, y'all celebrate them.
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  Speaker 2: We love we love it that you're still here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna kno this mic there, but we're excited that
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  Speaker 1: you're here.
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  Speaker 5: I'm glad to be here. I was excited about it
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  Speaker 5: when I got the call, and I just knew he
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  Speaker 5: was gonna cook up some great stuff today. So I'm really,
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  Speaker 5: really excited to be here. Thank y'all for having me then.
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  Speaker 5: But yes, when I said I was like, oh, oh
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  Speaker 5: my goodness. Most just don't know I get excited, like
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  Speaker 5: they just like, oh, they think, no.
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  Speaker 1: You the celebrity for me. You are not like you
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  Speaker 1: and me on the map. Right, this is gonna put
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  Speaker 1: us on the map. Listen, I'm so honored because of
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  Speaker 1: there is Oh I'm trying not to speaking tall, so
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna if a talal come out, y'all, I don't.
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  Speaker 5: Talk on you, but I speaking tall.
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  Speaker 2: I'm speaking. I gotta think it later. But there is
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  Speaker 2: so much.
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  Speaker 1: Evidence when you walk into a space and it's just
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  Speaker 1: so it's so mind blowing being in your your atmosphere.
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  Speaker 1: I'm even like trying to contain my spirit, my like,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like my spirit is leaping. And it's evidence
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  Speaker 1: in what you've been doing. You've been you've been in ministry.
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  Speaker 1: What since a young a young boy?
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  Speaker 2: How old were you when you started?
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  Speaker 5: I started preaching at the age of twenty m And
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  Speaker 5: you know the backstory to that is I wasn't looked
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  Speaker 5: at as a person that would preach or you know,
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  Speaker 5: my father's a bishop. I grew up in church. I'm
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  Speaker 5: a PK. But uh, I was a little you know,
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  Speaker 5: I was a little troublemaker in my team, not you Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I got a little trouble you know. I was a
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  Speaker 5: church musician, you know. Oh yeah, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If y'all don't know, some of these church musicians need
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more sheese.
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  Speaker 2: So were you want to be?
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I just I had a few complications.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it was it was.
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  Speaker 2: A little complicated.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well we're gonna take no complications.
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  Speaker 5: You know, most of my siblings, I'd say most of
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  Speaker 5: my siblings were pretty spiritually in tune, you know, growing up,
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  Speaker 5: especially around them, you know, fifteen sixteen years old, they
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  Speaker 5: kind of linked in. But me, you know, I was
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  Speaker 5: more slow with my spirituality. You know, I developed at
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  Speaker 5: a young age, God bless me tremendously on the instruments,
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  Speaker 5: organ keys, all that, and uh became a real popular
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  Speaker 5: kid back then playing music, and uh, you know, got
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  Speaker 5: into some things and went through some challenges. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: I'm from the era where they set you down in church.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if you know anything about that.
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  Speaker 1: I've been sat down before you you Oh, I hadn't
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  Speaker 1: been sat down before. Now, I'm not the church that
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  Speaker 1: I got set down here, but.
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  Speaker 5: I got I figured you was just one of the
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  Speaker 5: Holy angels, you know, posing as Yeah, I'm gonna need
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  Speaker 5: you not to leave me out here by myself. But yep,
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  Speaker 5: so that happened. But I grew up really fast. You know.
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  Speaker 5: When I turned twenty, which was the year two thousand,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I came into that year, you know, playing
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  Speaker 5: for a church, playing for the Yeah. Yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 5: know if you remember that y two k scared.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember.
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  Speaker 5: I was doing a lot of repentance on that day,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the last day of the year, December thirty first,
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  Speaker 5: I was like, God, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm scared.
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  Speaker 5: You know. By town three o'clock rolled around on the
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  Speaker 5: next day, I was like, I'm good, you know. So
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  Speaker 5: I went back to doing my own thing, you know.
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  Speaker 5: But literally that was the year that changed my life.
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  Speaker 5: You know. I came into that year. I was talking
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  Speaker 5: to a few different girls, you know, things of that nature.
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  Speaker 5: Met my wife in April of that year, started dating
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  Speaker 5: her in May, married her in August. Started preaching in.
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  Speaker 1: This Wait wait, wait, don't go past it. Don't go
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  Speaker 1: past it. Don't don't go past it.
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  Speaker 5: In fact, I need to tell somebody, don't try that. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: you heard it from the horse. We made it, We survived,
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  Speaker 5: but it was by the grace of God. Don't do that,
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  Speaker 5: trust me.
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  Speaker 2: But so you said that you met her and this
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  Speaker 2: is two thousand.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you met her in April, Yes, and got married Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: in May, August, August and August. So you got I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why I was trying to speed it up.
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  Speaker 1: But okay, so how did did you just have a
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  Speaker 1: awareness or what she was? Just like you finna put
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  Speaker 1: a ring on it because it some of us be
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  Speaker 1: like that, Bishops like, some of us are little aggressive
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  Speaker 1: as she was. She agres or she was just like
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  Speaker 1: y'all just knew.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it was organic, you know. Everything about us was mutual,
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  Speaker 5: you know. And I've never been in a relationship like that.
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  Speaker 5: You know, usually when I was with a girl. In
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  Speaker 5: the back of my mind, you know, I just did
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  Speaker 5: it for the moment, but I was compromising something that
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  Speaker 5: I wanted in a woman. But I was like, I'll
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  Speaker 5: just do this for now, but I know this is
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  Speaker 5: not gonna be my forever.
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  Speaker 1: When you say something you was compromising, something was that
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  Speaker 1: something normally your spirituality.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes yes, yes, you're already in the spirit, the prophetic
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  Speaker 5: is flowing. Yeah, yeah, because you know, in my mind,
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  Speaker 5: I was like, you know, one day I'm gonna serve God.
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna serve it for real. And I at least
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  Speaker 5: wanted a woman that had that sensitivity to God. She
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  Speaker 5: didn't have to be like a prophetess or incessor or
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  Speaker 5: just gung hole. But I needed someone that would really
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  Speaker 5: when it was time for me to make that move
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  Speaker 5: or whatever, that they would be willing to make that
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  Speaker 5: move with me. And that was a lot of it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, sometimes I would if I liked the face,
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  Speaker 5: but I didn't like the attitude. I'd tolerate the attitude
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  Speaker 5: because of the pretty face. Hey we look good in
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  Speaker 5: public together. But I knew, like I'm not. This is
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  Speaker 5: not my forever. You know, it's too much bickering, too
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  Speaker 5: much arguing. But when I met my wife, you know,
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  Speaker 5: she was just checking all the boxes. You know, we
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  Speaker 5: both were at a pivotal place. This is so good,
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  Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And we were like our
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  Speaker 5: first conversation was straight, candid. If you're about games, I
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  Speaker 5: want to talk to you I want my faver.
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  Speaker 2: And you said you were twenty at this point.
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  Speaker 5: Yep, yep, yep. I was twenty. She was nineteen. And
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  Speaker 5: you know we both were young, but we had experienced
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  Speaker 5: a lot in life. You know, at a young age,
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  Speaker 5: you know, going through trying to find yourself, identity crisis,
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  Speaker 5: rejection issues, You're reaching, reaching, reaching, trying to fill voids.
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  Speaker 5: And so when we met each other, man, we was
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  Speaker 5: just ready. We was ready. But we were ready. And I
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  Speaker 5: say that lightly because we thought we were ready.
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  Speaker 2: Because well, because the.
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful thing about marriage, well for what I understand, because
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  Speaker 1: you know I'm not deal yet, we're gonna play.
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  Speaker 2: We pray for that. We're gonna pray for that.
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  Speaker 1: Don't make me prophesized, Okay, it makes so you get
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  Speaker 1: it on the camera.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I wait on God, then I wait, glory.
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  Speaker 1: Look. So, so the beautiful thing about marriage is that,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, I say ready lightly, But at that moment,
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  Speaker 1: what you knew to be ready was what you took
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  Speaker 1: hold of and then went forward.
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  Speaker 2: What kept you motivated to stay married.
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  Speaker 5: That's a wonderful question. Easy to answer for me because
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  Speaker 5: I tell married couples all the time, like be sure,
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  Speaker 5: be sure even in your dark seasons. Being sure will
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  Speaker 5: carry you. What carried me through my dark seasons, my
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  Speaker 5: challenging seasons, ups and downs in marriage, was that I
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  Speaker 5: know I married the right person. You know out there.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't experiment with it. It wasn't taken again there.
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't trying something. I was like, I know she's
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  Speaker 5: my person. All of this other stuff that we got
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  Speaker 5: to work through, will figure it out. But that kind
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  Speaker 5: of gives fuel to your fight. But if you're not sure,
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  Speaker 5: then your fight is not gonna be as committed. You're
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  Speaker 5: only committed to what you're sure about. Just like if
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  Speaker 5: you say God told you start a church, but if
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  Speaker 5: you stay.
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  Speaker 2: Right right right, I can't take your world.
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  Speaker 5: I'm with you, I can't. Maybe this is for an
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  Speaker 5: inspiring pastor out there, you know, because I've noticed that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the pioneer does not awaken to the level
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  Speaker 5: that it needs to if that person is just trying something.
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  Speaker 5: Just like when I started ministry, I was like, I'm
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  Speaker 5: doing this. I ain't gonna try it. I'm doing it.
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  Speaker 5: If I die trying to get it right, I'm not
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  Speaker 5: gonna quit. You know what I'm saying. And that's exactly
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  Speaker 5: what you know carried me through to where we are
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  Speaker 5: today in my marriage to my beautiful wife that I love, love, love,
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  Speaker 5: do you so much? Yeah, she is.
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  Speaker 1: She is beautiful and very poised. Like it's a grace
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  Speaker 1: to be the first lady. Oh, it's It's a grace, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: from the looks of what I see, because I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a part of the flock, but I just be nosy
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  Speaker 1: people visit. But from what I've seen is there's a
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  Speaker 1: grace and elegance that she upholds. And man to have
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  Speaker 1: someone that supports you in that way, because like you said,
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  Speaker 1: your PK, I wi PK and I thank God for
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  Speaker 1: my bonus mama, because who the the look you I'm stuttering.
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  Speaker 2: The life of a.
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  Speaker 1: Preacher, the life of a pastor, it's something something serious.
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  Speaker 1: So when you started ministering at twenty when did you
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  Speaker 1: start pastoring?
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  Speaker 5: I started pastoring at twenty eight? Okay, twenty eight, So
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  Speaker 5: I started preaching. I preached my first messa in December
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  Speaker 5: of two thousand. Yeah, so I was still twenty and
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  Speaker 5: it was the worst preaching you ever wanted to hear
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  Speaker 5: in your life. You know what I'm saying, You know
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  Speaker 5: what you know you putting David, you know, in the
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  Speaker 5: lines then and you know, Noah, No, you know, you
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  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Noah, part of the Red Sea.
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  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. You know, that's you know,
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  Speaker 5: my wife would argue with me on that, because she's
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  Speaker 5: one of my biggest fans and supporters, so she'd be like, no,
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't that bad, but it really was. It really was.
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  Speaker 5: And then once I started actually getting a word, I
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  Speaker 5: grew up Neil Pentecostalism, you know, holiness, and so my
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  Speaker 5: whole focus was on just getting people to live right.
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  Speaker 5: So I was real dogmatic. You know. Every message was
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  Speaker 5: on sin, you know, and I wanted to make sure
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  Speaker 5: I let you know how terrible of a sinner you were,
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  Speaker 5: you know. And my pastor pulled me to the side
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  Speaker 5: and say, you're anointed and you're gifted, but your ministry
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  Speaker 5: is going absoluutely nowhere if you don't change your approach
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  Speaker 5: to ministry. So that was a segue into me, you know,
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  Speaker 5: preaching more of a of a loving gospel, more of
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  Speaker 5: a balanced gospel, not not permissible, but intentional with discipleship
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  Speaker 5: and evangelism and not trying to castigate and humiliate.
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  Speaker 1: So oh that is so good because it's sometimes well
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  Speaker 1: with social media, it's so tangible to see, yeah, people.
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  Speaker 2: Sin, shame.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that I'm a big person that would
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  Speaker 1: say a big on this, especially in this season. God
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  Speaker 1: will love you out of something and love you into something,
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  Speaker 1: right and so and so with you, just with you
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  Speaker 1: saying that what was the process and the stuff that
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  Speaker 1: you took to change it from a sin? Because obviously
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  Speaker 1: you were like, I'm convicted. Everybody need to be like that.
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  Speaker 1: Was that your thought process or did you tell to
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  Speaker 1: learn how to allow God to love you so that
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  Speaker 1: you could teach the love of God?
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  Speaker 5: Well, because I had learned salvation through a works based theology,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, when I got married, I left all
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  Speaker 5: the girls alone. I went full fledged into God. You know,
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  Speaker 5: in my own personal estimation where I was, I felt
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  Speaker 5: like I was pretty moral moral God. So I was
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  Speaker 5: preaching from my place of personal morality, and it wasn't
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  Speaker 5: until I started messing up that I started learning grace.
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  Speaker 5: You know, just in in various areas of your life.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you're you're going through things on your job,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you tell a little white lie here you know,
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  Speaker 5: you rob God a little bit with your tithes. You know,
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  Speaker 5: you get into arguments, disputations, you know, you're and your
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  Speaker 5: wife start going through situations, all kinds of stuff happening,
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  Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And then you you know,
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  Speaker 5: after you've been with God for a little while, you
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  Speaker 5: may sneak and watch your little porn every now and then,
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  Speaker 5: you know, things that I had totally stopped doing. I
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  Speaker 5: kind of started sneaking and you know, doing here and
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  Speaker 5: there and just wasn't as devoted as I once were.
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  Speaker 5: Was rather, and that's when I discovered the love of Jesus,
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  Speaker 5: not just the laws of Jesus. And and then I
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: noticed that, you know, times when I missed, when when
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  Speaker 5: I missed God, he didn't take his spirit from me.
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  Speaker 5: He still used me. He still opened doors for me,
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  Speaker 5: you know, because I had this phobia like if I
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  Speaker 5: ever sin on any level, he's done. You know, he
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: ain't rocking with me anymore. And it was through that
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  Speaker 5: process it grew me and taught me a different side
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  Speaker 5: to the God that we see, and that got me
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  Speaker 5: to preaching a different way.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying not to scream.
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  Speaker 1: Right now because it's a transparence that I ask people
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  Speaker 1: to be with me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm working on that.
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  Speaker 1: When I tell you, oh, Deli Ray, we should have
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: got Tissan, we should have we should have got I'm
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: trying to fight these fears there because that just spoke
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  Speaker 1: to my soul so much, because I feel like I
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: am there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thirty two.
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  Speaker 5: Wow. Yeah.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And one of the things that I battle with Bishop
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: is that knowing, Okay, I'm this woman of God. People
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: regard me as this woman of God, and that I
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: see where God has taking me. But I feel so
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: low at times because I feel it's not even I
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: feel undeserving. I know I'm undeserving and experiencing the the obstacles, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: of life, and still being being aware of the oil
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: and appreciating that that is that is a skill.
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  Speaker 2: How did How did you get there?
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: Man? Trial and error? You know, time with God. And
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: I think it's important for everyone to understand that ministry
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: is a by product of relationship. Ministry is not your
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: relationship with God. It's a by product of that. And
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: we're on a journey with God. It's and the destination
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  Speaker 5: is heaven. So in reality, this is something that we
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: will be in for the rest of our lives. And
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: it's it's journeys, it's seasons, it's experiences, it's books read,
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: its prayers prayed, it's encounters with God, it's having to
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: battle the giants within, whether it's in poster syndrome, rejection, insecurity,
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: low self esteem, lust, you know, whatever it is, I
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  Speaker 5: believe the Lord allows us to manage those imperfections in
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  Speaker 5: order to show us different revelations of who He is,
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  Speaker 5: even down to our financial challenges, because sometimes the enemy
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  Speaker 5: will try to use where you're not financially to discredit
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  Speaker 5: who you are in the kingdom. But we have to
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  Speaker 5: remember that what we do and who we are is autonomous.
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  Speaker 5: You know, your vocation in the Kingdom has its own autonomy,
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: and your character has its own autonomy. They both correlate
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: at some point because Paul says in one scripture, he says,
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  Speaker 5: we are to walk worthy of the vocation where we
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  Speaker 5: are called. But we've got to understand that sometimes our
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: vote cation is walking at a faster pace than our
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: development and who we are. You know, you know, the
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: vocation is in fifth gear, but the character is in two,
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  Speaker 5: you know, which is sometimes why God will in his
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  Speaker 5: grace and his love and how he walks with us.
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  Speaker 5: He will only bring us into certain measures of success
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  Speaker 5: in certain seasons, as we fought and conquered certain goliaths.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: You know, I was sharing this with my son. You know,
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  Speaker 5: the Old Testament is a microcosm, a physical microcosm of
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: what we deal with in this New Testament context spiritually.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: You know, Goliath represents something spiritually that we deal with today.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: You know, the Amalekites, the Midianites, you know, all those
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: heights that you know, the people God had to deal
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  Speaker 5: with represents the things that we have to deal with now.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: You know, whatever it is like some of those things
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  Speaker 5: called out, those are and you know, go life was
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: killed in one day. Yeah, but then David's fight with
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: the household Saul lasted for many, many years. So that
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: was just one enemy. But he had many enemies, and
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: oftentimes is the enemies that we fight. The enemy himself
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: will use to try to make us feel like we're
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: not qualified, or we're not valid, or you know, and
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: he'll try to whisper those things in our in the
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: back of our minds when we're flowing in what God
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: has called us to do. But the truth of the
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: matter is We're not the essence of the call, you know,
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: we're the conduit of the call. We just transmit God
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: to people, and sometimes the conduit is thwarted and broken
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: and going through a process of development and mending and healing.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: And we have to always remember that so we won't
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: allow the enemy, you know, to play those games with
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  Speaker 5: our minds.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Man, you, I feel like we're in two right now,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: because I was just about to ask you about the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: with you being in ministry, what I understand and what
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I've experienced because I've seen it, but I'm experiencing now
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and I think me and desil Ray have talked about
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  Speaker 1: this even in our relationship, the that C word comparison. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and just in my mind visual like, ain't nobody like
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: visc or what like, you know what I'm saying, It
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  Speaker 1: ain't nobody got the saunces.
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  Speaker 5: Of drill like you.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: I know about two thousand of your members gonna say
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: amen for that, But like I really I really know
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: a different level because of the ministry. It's like that
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: that comparison word always come up when I'm not even
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: gonna say if because I can guarantee you because of
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: how great you are you dealt with that comparison?
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: How did you deal with that? Capture that and move
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: forward because.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: You have a thriving Like when I say thriving, I
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: mean that in all capital levels to God vis glory. Man.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: Listen, you're unpacking some major stuff. The comparison conundrum, let
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: me call it that. Man. It's a lot a lot
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: of red tape to that conversation because you know, I
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: have to reach back to the origin of my religious affiliation.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: You know, growing up in Pentecostal Apostolic you know, given
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: these models of ministry where they're more cosmetic oriented, like pants,
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: no pants and no makeup for the ladies. Guys couldn't
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: wear certain things. You know, the appropriate attire for church
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: is a suit, you know, church clothes. And you know,
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: so you come out of that type of context and
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: you get compared to your your colleagues that grew up
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: with you in that regard. You also, you know, go
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: through the comparisons of your originality versus others and what
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: they're doing. And then of course you have those individuals
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: that kind of treat you in some instances as the
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: example of what others should be. So with comparison, there's
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: the temptation to become prideful, and with the comparison, there's
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: the temptation to become insecure. Insecure because as blessed as
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: my church is, there's another church that's doing bigger things
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: than mine, and they're more well known than my church.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: And so that type of that challenge is ever pressing.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: But we gotta know that comparison kills. Comparison kills originality,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Comparison kills creativity, Comparison kills faith. It hinders patience because
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: a lot of times we're trying to pace ourselves with
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  Speaker 5: the pace of others, and then sometimes if that if
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: they're far behind us, it can make us be too
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: complacent with where we are because, man.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Look at what I've achieved.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: But God is saying, yeah, but that that ain't all
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: that I've got for you. You know, you're you're a
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: five talent girl. You you know you need to be
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: at ten. You're at eight. You're doing good, but you
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: need ten, you know, And so just overcoming that it
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: takes a lot of prayer. And it also it's very
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: important that we are intentional about the circle that we
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: keep around us. We have to have people around us
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: that that do not get us in that conversation, that comparison,
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: in that competition, we have to resisted, you know. And
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: I look at myself honestly as I realize that when
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: I walk in a room, I'm there to bring something,
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: not just to get something. So I try to operate
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: in the duality of getting and bringing. And so one
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: of the things I see in ministry amongst so many
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: preachers is comparison. So I try to bring my authenticity
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: into the room, my love into the room, and my
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: honor into the room for everybody, regardless to their demographic
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: and their contextualized situation. And I try to model that
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  Speaker 5: before other pastors so that others will kind of let
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  Speaker 5: down their God and say, you know what, it's okay
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  Speaker 5: for us to not get to know each other vicariously
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: through what we've achieved, which is people. That's so I mean,
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: I want to tell people like bro, I don't care
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: who you think you are, You're just the person you know.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: And the truth of the matter is, I'm keenly aware
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: of the fact that what God has done for me
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: is a grace on my life. And I can be
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: as intentional as I want to be in trying to
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: teach somebody how to do it the way God showed
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: it to me. But the truth is people cannot produce
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: what they're not grace to produce. And their grace, whatever
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: the grace looks like from a metrics perspective, it does
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: not speak to the context of your worth.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: That's what he said.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: That's so good because that's what That's what comparison. That's
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: why you say comparison kills, because it kills the value
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the perception. It was like, I'm doing it, I'm doing
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: even that if it's not a new thing, I'm doing
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: a thing. I'm doing a thing. Do you not perceive it?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: You can't perceive it because your perception of somebody else
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: is so blinding to your development.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: Listen, humility must be the portion of anyone in ministry,
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: anyone in life. And what does that look like in
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: this this context of what we're talking about. We've got
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: to learn how to to accept the accolades that we receive,
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: but wear them loosely. You know, Uh my, I have
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: people who know me know that. You know, most of
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: the time, if you say anything good about me, I'm
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: gonna say to God be the glory.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Say that every time.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: It's crazy. You know some people that come to me
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: and say you're the city's pastor. And but if I
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: say I'm the city's pastor, I just corrupted myself because
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: that's just their opinion, you know. But if my opinion
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: gets like I'm the man. Yeah, and like one of
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: the one of my munchras is there are too many
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: people walking around here trying to be the best instead
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: of their best.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: He's just gonna keep them silencing us. Huh, delarray, I'm
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: gonna point out you ain't. You can't see the Woman
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: of God the way I can see it. But she
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: even over there speaking and.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: It's somebody.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I was like, a woman of God. You gotta stir
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: over there that you have to release. Go ahead, you
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: got a mic, your camera, you got a mic. What
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: was what was your stir up over there?
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Because if you got a question, I'm trying to get
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: you from He.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Just you know, I just sit here and I just
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I just be listening, just taking it all in some
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: self evaluation. You know what I'm saying, want you over
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: the self evaluating the Man of God is hensation that
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: we had about about your teaching.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, I just.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Not that, not that, not that one. The comparison conversation,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: you know, Jessica. Now we're gonna go there because we
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: use our relationship as an example all the time. And
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: we had a conversation not too long ago regarding we're
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: both are in different levels of ministry, right, and God
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: calls her to do certain things. God calls me to
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: do certain things, and God calls both of us to
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: do certain things together.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I eat this podcast, right.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: And so it's hard to work with somebody so great
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: and so oily.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: And I'm talking about Delia Ray and she's tell again.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: It's all on her. Yeah, yes, it's it's in her presence,
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: it's in her posture, like she carries major oil, and
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: the creative grace on her life is humongous. Like this
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: is just not even a snippet of what God's gonna do.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: It's it's it's huge, it's huge. It's a wait to carry.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: But you're equipped equipped. I'm glad. I know you now
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: don't forget us.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, man, I thank you for that.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: And I was gonna, you know, pause my friend, BABYZ
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: because it's if we can catch up, we can be
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: captivated with the comparison and then missed out on the
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: blessing of the relationship. Absolutely, and so I'm glad you
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: said that. And it sounds like you you went through
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: that process. So from twenty to twenty eight, right in
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: that gap, you learn how to not only minister, but
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: you know how told you built your character in that time.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: And so when God blessed you, you've always been in
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: A and C.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: Right, yes, well, well so this is how this happened. Right,
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: And I'm I'm gonna be as quick as I can.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: You're fine, you got okay. So in twenty twenty, let's see,
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: two thousand and eight, I received a call at my
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: job from my middle sister and she's a nurse. She
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: works with I'll declare the end from the beginning. Sister
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: Linda Jones, who was my personal assistant. Excuse me, we
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: call that SJ. SJ had heard me preach at a
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: church in Birmingham. I didn't know her, and that was
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: a church that she used to attend that she no
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: longer was a member of, but it needed a pastor.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: The membership had dwindled down to like sixteen people, with
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: about eight faithful. Her brother was the head deacon. They
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: were without a pastor for about two years and they
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: were in search of someone, and she heard me preach
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: here in the city. And she knew my sister because
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: they worked in the medical field together, and she said,
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: I know a church that I believe your brother would
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: be a great pastor for this church. And my sister
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: called me about it, and that's how this thing happened.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: So I started preaching there with the permission of my
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: then pastor. I was the minister of music at that church,
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: so he would allow me to go whenever they called.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: And that started in two thousand and seven. I'm sorry,
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: excuse me. In two thousand and seven, that's when that started.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: That process started. They called me as pastor in two
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: thousand and eight. June of two thousand and eight, they
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: voted me in. It was about sixteen votes. I believe
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: it was took over the ministry. The ministry had some
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: legal things going on. When I got there, there was
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: a mortgage that had been taken from the former administration,
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: and the people said that they did not agree to
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: have the church mortgaged because it had been I think
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: paid off originally, and so they refused to pay the mortgage.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: So we were in a court case. Wow. We lost
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: the court case. I was able to renegotiate the mortgage
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: with the bank to get it to where we could
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: afford it, but the people still refused. So the building
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: was foreclosed on within six months of me coming to
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: Birmingham and we went to another location first Sunday there
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: it's like fifteen people in church. That was the day.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: That was the first Sunday in two thousand and nine.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: January two thousand and nine, SJ joins the church that day.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: She's my first member of the new year. Right. And
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: our attorney meets with us the following year and he says,
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: it's too much red tape around this ministry. I have
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: to dissolve it and start your own. So I dissolved
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: that church. It's no longer in existence.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: And the Lord blessed me to found my own church.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: And then the first name of it, we called it
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: Worship and Deliverance Ministries and we were affectionately known around
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: the city as WDM for quite some time. And then
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: in twenty fifteen, the Lord gave me a dream about
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: the next phase of the vision for the church, and
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: he showed me thousands of people blah blah blah blah blah.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: And in the dream, the spirit said, I want you
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: to call it All Nations Church. And when he said church,
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: it was so loud in my sleep I woke up.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: I was in tears, speaking in tongues. My wife grabbed
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: me in the middle of the night, like, what is
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: wrong with you?
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yea, yeah, exactly exactly.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: Have you lost your mind? That type of thing. But
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: I had to tell her, like, baby, I'm good. God
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: just showed me the next phase of our vision. I
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: had never heard of All Nations, so I googled All
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: Nations Church on my phone then and I didn't see
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: any All Nations church. I saw All Nations Worship assembly.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: And so in twenty sixteen, we purchased a property where
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: we are now. We close on a December the thirtieth,
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, and we moved in in February, and we
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: moved in as all Nations.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, that last statement was so weighted. I was
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: going to ask you what we moved in as.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yeah, God told me. God told me, don't
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: go in with the old glory, go in with the
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: new glory, you know. So I met with our church
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: and I say, hey, you know, I've been holding this
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: trump card for about a year plus. Now. God gave
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: me another name for our church, and I told him
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: our church will be the name of it will be changing.
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: That was no rebuttal. Everyone was unanimously on one accord
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: and we got everything change our five oh one c three,
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: our articles of incorporation. We went in with everything changed
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  Speaker 5: to all Nations Church.
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  Speaker 1: The power statement in it, and it's ability to change
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  Speaker 1: for me like you at this point. So, how many
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  Speaker 1: years were you pastor at this point? From so you
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  Speaker 1: said two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight to
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. So you've been doing this for eight years. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to not shout right now because I'm having
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  Speaker 1: so much revelation. Our conversation is ridiculous. So you're doing
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  Speaker 1: this for eight years? God gives you a dream, one
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  Speaker 1: circumstance that changes the trajectory.
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  Speaker 5: Yes of the next yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: And so not only that, no one buked against you
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  Speaker 1: to do that. I think this is why I'm gonna
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: go ahead and give you my opinion.
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  Speaker 5: Bishop, you ready forward, I'm ready.
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  Speaker 1: There's something that is consistent about you. Wow, there's a
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  Speaker 1: reason why your membership keeps growing. And the reason why
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: is because you know how to evolve.
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  Speaker 5: You gonna make me cry now.
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  Speaker 1: No, there is a stubbornness in the in churches that
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  Speaker 1: when it's time to grow and go that we don't
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  Speaker 1: get to.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: They say, what is this? This generation? This babe?
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I see all types of generations at A and C
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: and it's like, you go, it's a melting pot.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: There.
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  Speaker 2: There's one white white girl. She's so pretty. I don't
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: know what her name is.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: She came to Profetica on one day and I didn't
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: realize she was a member, but she's really popular on TikTok.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah you know, yeah, beautiful young lady. But she's so
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: out for God. And I'm like, you're bringing different different backgrounds,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: different races, different.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Age groups to one nation, to all.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Nations, and it's like the reason why God can trust
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  Speaker 1: you with all nations because you had the art of evolving,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Like you learn the art of that. And so it's like,
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  Speaker 1: I think that people have an opportunity because they can't
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  Speaker 1: compare something where they're not willing to do.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's the danger of comparing something like somebody I
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: ain't no possible, but if I was.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: You know, he's saying that.
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  Speaker 1: If I am that person right, comparing myself to you,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: do I have the grace or the grit enough to
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: alter when God says go.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: I say this to pastors all the time. I've I've
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: experienced a tremendous amount of criticism down through the years.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: It has been one of the hallmarks of my ministry.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: It's something that I've seemingly not been able to get
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  Speaker 5: away from people that will not just sit down and
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  Speaker 5: have a conversation. But you know, it's not It's not complicated.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: You know, though it is complicated, it's not. I tell
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  Speaker 5: every pastor, every business owner, every leader, anybody doing anything,
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: You've got to have the courage to obey what God
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: says and every point in your life and not be
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: so wrapped up into the collateral damage. You know. Of course,
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: we try to do things in a methodical and strategic way,
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: but like you said, there are a lot of pastors
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: who are anointed, but they're not sensitive to what God
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: is saying. We will place. We will place a case
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: in point. There was a rock that followed Israel through
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: the wilderness. We know in the New Testament. The rock
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: was Jesus. But when the children of Israel god thirsty.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: The first time, God says to Moses, have you paid
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: attention to the rock that's been moving with y'all? And
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: Moses is like, yeah, I kind of noticed that. He
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: was like, I need you to hit that rock with
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: your rod, and Moses goes in. He hits the rock
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: with this rod. Right fresh water came out, quench the
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: thirst of the people. A second time, they got thirsty,
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: same rock, but God says, this time, Moses, don't hit it,
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: speak to it, and the fresh water will come out. Moses,
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: for some reason, was not able to pivot in that moment,
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: and he hit it again. And the issue with a
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: lot of people, a lot of passes, is that they
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: did what Moses did and noticed this. When Moses hit
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: the rock, the water came out. But in that moment,
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: simultaneously God disqualified him. And a lot of pastors are
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: doing the same thing that God told them to do yesterday,
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: and they're getting some results, but their ministries are on
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: a downward spiral because the disqualification factor is there, and
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: it's because they're not going with God. They're going with methods.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: The method becomes the golden calf.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, some of my listeners are not as deep into
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: the words, So can you explain the idea of the
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: golden calf real quick?
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, the golden calf is the thing that replaces the
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  Speaker 5: invisible God when we start. It's it's something tangible. We
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: know that the golden calf emerged when Moses went up
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: to the mountain to get the instructions from God. The people,
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: because Moses was taking too long, convinced Aaron to make
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: them something that they could see, something that they was tangible,
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: that they could rely on to make a God out of.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: And oftentimes we fall in love with the methods that
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: God gives us because you know, of course, the goal
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: that they had, it came from God, you know, the
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: king it was. The goal was the reward that God
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: gave them for getting out of Egypt. He said, don't
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: leave empty handed. Take this with you. And they took
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: the blessing of the Lord, and they replaced God's God's logos,
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: God's rayma with God's blessings and God's methods. And a
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: lot of people are doing that today out of flesh,
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: out of frustration, out of leaning to our own understanding,
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: you know, out of just sheer disobedience, you know. And
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: that's been one of my challenges and one of my
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: motives with pastors to say, listen, honor God's voice, even
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: if the city trashes you. God's voice. I'm not saying
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: gimmick your way into greater. I'm saying follow the voice,
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: because there are some people that are employing gimmicks and
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: they're getting a response. Come on, but that response is
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: not producing transformation.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: You just you said something.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: When you said the response, what I heard was they
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: might be getting a response, but they're not getting the reward.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: And a lot of times we think the response of
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: man is the reward, and God will allow that to
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: be our reward.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: He will allow that.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Like even when we talk about David coming up with Saul,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: was he wanted the response. He was so sold into
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: those response of people and not sold out for God,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: so that God gave him back to the people.
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: He was addicted to people of validation. And it's impossible
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: to be loyal to God and a people pleaser.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: God, please take me for being the people.
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: Please.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: That's a struggle. I ain't even act like that one
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: for me.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, at some point this is what we don't
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: like in our god journey, A lot of people don't
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: like this is that God will give you moments of
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: highs with people and the crowd and everything. But everybody
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: goes through the litmus test. Everyone. No one escapes this
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: litmus test where you have to decide between the crowd
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: and Christ, where you have to make a decision that's
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: gonna make you unpopular, where you have to get what
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: I now call where you have to get bad press.
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: And if you are intertwined and wrapped up into the
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: validation of people, the approval of people and their co
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: signature and them off on you that you're a good girl,
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: a good guy, that can become a hinderance to bonafide obedience.
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: You know, Jesus had his moment. You know, the crowds
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: were coming. He was preaching, he was healing folks. But
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: then he had to say hard things like if you
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: don't eat my flesh and drink my blood, you won't
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: have any part with me. And Scripture says many walked
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: away from him. He had to say certain things, and
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: then when it came to the cross, all the disciples
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: left him. You know, nobody gets to get away from
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: that litmus test. So we have to decide do we
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: want people or do we want purpose? And are we
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: willing to sacrifice purpose in the name of people? And
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: that's why you have to watch you your date, who
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: you marry, what kind of brands you bring into your life.
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: You need people in your life that know who you are,
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: not just on a common level, but on a sacred level,
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: so that when you have to make hard decisions, they're
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: not antagonizing you.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: You just came into my house. You definitely just came
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: into my house because I'm at at that market point.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Of will you choose me this day?
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Like the things that you thought were good in this season,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: there's a cut off point for that is the only
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: thing that's eternal, has eternal life, is me and realizing
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: that and coming into agreement is with that. It's one
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: thing acting on the knowledge.
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: Yish will be all.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Day talking and I'm just like you. You didn't You
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: didn't feed my brain with that one.
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: Yes, well, you got to lose to win, you know.
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: I think Fantasious said that, you know, it's it's some
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: it's some prophetic alle on that. Yeah, you know, let
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: me just tell you something. What people say all nations
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: have come with a price, and we are in another shift,
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: you know, as a church. And you know, I've had
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: to make hard decisions even as of recent that have
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: not been popular and been painful for me. You know,
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: I'm collateral damage in it because again yours, you're you're
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: in that paradox or will you be loyal to God
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: or will you be loyal to they're liking you? Then
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: you know, we don't do things intentionally to be disliked,
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: like weed around here trying to just stir the pot,
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: you know, But God says, I always want to know,
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: at whatever level I take you to, that I have
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: your heart. I always want to know that I can
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: trust you to carry out the assignment. That was. That
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: is what distinguished David from Saul is that whatever God
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: said do, he was gonna he was gonna execute to
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: the t. And he wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna intermingle
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: his own personal preferences in that. I was just telling
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: one of my spiritual signs this week, I said, and
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: I told my children that, I said, if you if
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: you're gonna be emotional, if you're gonna let your emotions
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: affect your ministry, then get out of ministry, be emotional,
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: but at the end of the day, be about the
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: agenda of God in spite of the emotions.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I was about to let you go, but you just
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: said something.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I and I said, I'm not gonna ask him that, Lord,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: and He's like, no asking this, So I'm gonna ask
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: you this. This is kind of a pity because when
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: you said spiritual son, this is an open door, okay,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna let me preference this question as we
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: stayed it before p K recognized PK. And one of
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: the things that I identify as an adult is the
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: strain that being a p K put on the relations
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: the daughter father daughter relationship.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Of me and my dad. And I didn't know how
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: to just be his daughter. I only knew how to
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: be the servant.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: And so I'm curious to know your your expertise in
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: that area of not only being a PK, but being
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: a pastor, and you having children who are beautiful, by
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: the way, so proud of the.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Lord, like I'll see her phones and I was like,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: oh my god, she's doing so good. How has that?
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: How has have you developed as a father or I
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: wish you have could have done better in certain areas
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: being the pastor that you are, because you carry a
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: lot away that I know, they kind of like made
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: to touch the area.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: But I was like, I don't know if I want
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: to touch the.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Area, but I'm about to see.
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think I had a little advantage
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: on other leaders because I am a p K and
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: that kind of shaped and formed my view of parenting
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: in a more positive way because I know what it's
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: like to feel rejected and neglected in the name of ministry.
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: If you know, there's always room for improvement in anything
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: that we do, right, but if there's anything, I I
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: probably neglected ministry more to be a family man. You know,
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: I probably could have, like our church as well, over
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: a thousand members now, but you know, to be told it,
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: i'd probably be at five or six thousand if I
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: had to just But I don't feel bad about it,
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: because you know, I was sharing this with some people
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: this week, like, and I asked my children when they
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: got of age, I said, you know, have you ever
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: felt slighted by me when it came down to ministry
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: God Church? And they like unanimously said absolutely not. But
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: the truth of the matter is that was a sacrificial
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: grind that I had. So I'm that guy that will,
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: you know, take you skating, take you to the movies,
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: and get home at eleven o'clock and then study before
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: in the morning. I sacrificed myself, but I did not
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: sacrifice my family. So you know, the main thing is,
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: I think we get to a certain place in life
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: when we like what you were saying, like you wanted to,
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: you know, be a spiritual daughter basically and make sure
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: you were serving you know, your father's vision or whatever.
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: And I get that, and now my children are they
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: are flowing it more into that thing. Now ministry has
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: become their thing because I think the thing I just
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: said this last night that the thing that I that
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: I wish I could have done different is including my
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: children more in ministry, growing up like they were there,
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: but developing them and utilizing them. They had gifts and
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: talents and skills. And because you know, we were going
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: to ministry, so we were trying to put out our
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: best singers, our best dis Yeah, and it led to
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: the neglect of them. But you know, it's really about
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: being developing the framework of a father daughter relationship where
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: that that framework is more centered around us doing life together,
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: not just doing ministry. You know. So my daughter and
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: I we have a great relationship. My son and I
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: have a great relationship we form with my kids. I
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: talk to them all the time, you know, calling or whatever,
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: and you know, talking to them about life, money, dating.
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: And I'm a listener, you know, that's one of my things.
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: I've done a lot more talking today than I usually do. Yea,
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: you are, You're pulling it out of me, because even
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: when people get me on the phone, they just want
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: to talk, you know. So I'll just listen, you know,
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: and I and I and I get that I've gained
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: a lot of wisdom through listening. But just really really
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: it that that relationship takes a lot of intentionality because
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: there are a lot of different barriers there, you know.
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: And you know kind of how our families were sculpted
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: and molded emotionally. I don't know how it was for you,
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: but you know, it was a very affectionate in my house,
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: you know. And my parents they regret a lot of
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: that stuff, you know, they regret that we were in
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: church so much. You know, Uh, they regret a lot
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: of things now that they've gotten older. But I was
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: just intentional, you know, about spending time. And I prayed
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: for that too, you know, I prayed for God to
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: give me a clite, a tight and close relationship with
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: my children, and he did that. When they get in trouble,
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: they called him daddy.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: That's that's beautiful.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Listen me, and doesn't Ray have talked about it and
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: that the Lord is forcing us into it. And I
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: love my dad like my dad is amazing. He is
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: so amazing, and but we did recognize that, and he
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: even said that, he was like, I'm done missing out
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: on my family time because I'm so caught up in
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: the church and the church. Now this might not be
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: your church, but I'm talking about his experience. The church
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: doesn't value him enough to reciprocate that, and so now
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: he's depleted as a man because he's put everything into
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: an organization and mismanaged the development of the family. And
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: so he's the one that brought that to me. I
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: was afraid to say it to him. Was for a
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: long time. I'm like, heyb no, you know, I only
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: know this. I only know these areas and I only
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: know how to be a doer because I was a
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: pastor kid. You know what I'm saying, but learning myself
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: outside of that. But also he didn't know better, you
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and giving him that grace of that.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: So I'm glad God led us to that because I
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: feel like some pastors need to reevaluate the development of
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: how they manage their family versus the church.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: Absolutely can't. We can't preach and teach this enough. I
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: think this is a very huge part of ministry. Family,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: you know, marriage, parenting, and really focusing on developing healthy families.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: You know, And a lot of pastors don't know because
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: you know there are resources out there, but you don't
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: get inundated with those resources right away on how to pastor.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: And so a lot of pastors are pioneers. They're just
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: jumping on the job and going at it. They don't
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: want to fail God, they don't want to fill the church,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: and so they're on it, on it, on it. And
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: then in Western culture there have there have been these
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: misnomers and these misrepresentations of the Biblical definition of a pastor.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: And so now there there is the there are these
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: unspoken demands and these expectations that God never put on
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: a pastor. So what helped me was reading that Bible
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  Speaker 5: and saying, wait a minute, this is the job of
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  Speaker 5: a pastor. Now, you know, every church needs to have
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  Speaker 5: systems of care, because if you don't have systems of care,
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  Speaker 5: you're gonna have just gone on members. But that doesn't
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  Speaker 5: mean that the pastor have to show up. It means
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  Speaker 5: that the pastors. The pastor implements it, he trains it.
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  Speaker 5: Because I've seen a lot of pastors that did a
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  Speaker 5: lot of catering and then people left him because they
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  Speaker 5: didn't have much word. They Yeah they were at everybody's bedside. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: they was at everybody's baby shower. And then the pastor
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  Speaker 5: ends up bitter. But yeah, I can't get a fresh
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  Speaker 5: revelation if I'm at your every beckoning call. I can't
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  Speaker 5: if I'm always on the phone, you know. But the
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  Speaker 5: pastor's job, according to scripture, is to feed with knowledge
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  Speaker 5: and understanding. And according to Acts chapter six, I believe
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  Speaker 5: it is when the apostles had the murmuring in the
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  Speaker 5: church because it had grown so much, they appointed seven
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  Speaker 5: men to handle the business. They said that we may
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  Speaker 5: give ourselves continually to prayer and the ministry of the
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  Speaker 5: Word and the and then what I love about that
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  Speaker 5: that chapters it says the Word of God increased and
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  Speaker 5: the number of disciples multiplied. And I came up with
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  Speaker 5: the mantra out of that, when the word gets better,
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  Speaker 5: the church gets bigger. That's so good, you know what
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  Speaker 5: I'm saying. But the pastor has to have that that exclusivity,
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  Speaker 5: excuse me to a certain place so the development and
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  Speaker 5: the evolution can keep taking place. Because you can't take
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  Speaker 5: people further than where you are.
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  Speaker 2: That's so good.
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  Speaker 5: You can be a nice and loving guy, but shallow
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  Speaker 5: in the word because you don't have time with God.
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  Speaker 5: You got to you need time to pray, fast, innercede,
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  Speaker 5: read study, go to school because that's gonna really continue
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  Speaker 5: to make disciples and draw people. And then you set
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  Speaker 5: up systems to where people are taken care of so
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  Speaker 5: that you can have time with your family.
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  Speaker 2: That was good.
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  Speaker 1: That was good right now everything, But I feel like
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  Speaker 1: this space has created for you was to not only
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  Speaker 1: you know, participate in this podcast, but just bring ministry here.
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  Speaker 1: And I love this because we talked a lot about
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  Speaker 1: the Leader the past, and I know you have a
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  Speaker 1: heart for the Leader, and so I'm grateful for this
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  Speaker 1: opportunity for you to pour and this being our first
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  Speaker 1: episode for this series, for you to pour into those leaders.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to.
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  Speaker 1: Say thank you, bister Woods, like I don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be your last time here.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're gonna be your curring.
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  Speaker 5: I'll pay y'all to come by.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I love it, deil Ray before bere, we can close
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  Speaker 1: this saying God, what you got to say? I think
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  Speaker 1: the reoccurring thing that it's in my heart my spirit
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  Speaker 1: is just go with God. You know, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: people pleasing is a real thing. But at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, it's like, what did God say? And
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  Speaker 1: you can you can do like like Saw did. He
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  Speaker 1: did what people was asking, but God then took his
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  Speaker 1: hand off him. You know what I'm saying, And so
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to be me. So I'm going God, Amen,
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  Speaker 1: Jesus Yo, this this man. You dropped what you call
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  Speaker 1: the mantras. You dropped so many montress gonna watch this
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  Speaker 1: like mantraumer.
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  Speaker 2: Oa. So at the end of our our time together.
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  Speaker 1: I always ask my guests if there if there was
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  Speaker 1: anything that was missed today, if they didn't hear nothing else,
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  Speaker 1: give them a final word. Would you what would you say,
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  Speaker 1: and I also, after you say your final word, would
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  Speaker 1: life for you to pray?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely? Wow. Let me let me just say what's on
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  Speaker 5: my heart right now is reminding people to run their
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  Speaker 5: own race, to not allow social media to speed you up,
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  Speaker 5: and never live vicariously through your calling. Seek to be
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  Speaker 5: a whole individual intentionalized healing wherever you're sick. If it's relationships,
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  Speaker 5: if it's emotional intelligence, if it's financial, if it's ethical,
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  Speaker 5: let that be your primary focus. Getting healed, having a
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  Speaker 5: healthy soul, having a real, real healed life, and being
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  Speaker 5: in alignment with God. And then live from that vein.
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  Speaker 5: That will affect your business, that will affect your ministry,
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  Speaker 5: and that will, you know, affect every other demographic of
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  Speaker 5: your life. So be selfish in a good way. That's
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  Speaker 5: what I'd say.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're about to get some all.
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  Speaker 5: I get my pressure all real quick.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna let his voice be the last voice. But
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  Speaker 1: y'all already know what this is. This has been another
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  Speaker 1: episode of just ass the beyond the pull pit addition,
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  Speaker 1: and we're super excited. But remember, but if anything else,
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  Speaker 1: life could be much more simple if you just ask
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  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna leave it to Bishop Woods.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Let's pray, Man, Father God, in Jesus' name, Lord,
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  Speaker 5: we are so thankful for your goodness, were so thankful
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  Speaker 5: for this conversation that you have allowed and ordained. God,
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  Speaker 5: you said the steps of a good man I ordered
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  Speaker 5: of the Lord. I thank you God that you have
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  Speaker 5: ordered our steps today. And Father, I pray for anyone
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  Speaker 5: watching us that if they are confused misguided, Lord, in
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  Speaker 5: a place of decision making, I pray that you give
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  Speaker 5: clarity to them. Now. I pray, Father, God, that you
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  Speaker 5: would redirect and realign our focus on what's the most
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  Speaker 5: important things in our lives. And God, I thank you
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  Speaker 5: right now that every promise you've made us will come
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  Speaker 5: to pass. God, every plan that you have for us
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  Speaker 5: will come to fruition. And Father, I thank you that
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  Speaker 5: even the negative experiences we've had are going to work
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  Speaker 5: for our good. Lead us, guide us, bless us, prosper us,
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  Speaker 5: use us, keep us, anoint us, elevate us, and most
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  Speaker 5: of all, God, get your glory out of us. In
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  Speaker 5: Jesus' name, we pray, Amen, Amen.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in to this week's episode.
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  Speaker 2: Since you've made it this far.
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  Speaker 1: You might as well connect with us on all social
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  Speaker 4: Smith. I know I won't see you back until next week,
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  Speaker 4: but until then, remember to love always yourself and always
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  Speaker 4: thank thank God.
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  Speaker 2: For on another day.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, hey, I know we could be another way. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: pray thank God for another day. Hey hey, I'm just
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  Speaker 3: thankful another day. Hey hey, another day, another day wise,
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  Speaker 3: another day to get it right, another day to rise up,
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  Speaker 3: another day living another day with loved ones. I always remember,
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  Speaker 3: hold it down for a ball one y