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#0132_ STORY INSPIRE: When One Choice Changes Everything- Andy Stumpf · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast
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  by night. All day.
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  Speaker 2: Being a pacifist is the way. Avoid violence at all costs.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Joe? Look at you, dog.
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  You're a fucking author.
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  Speaker 2: Let's take it easy. I'm not an author until tomorrow, technically. No,
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  you're an author once it's written.
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  Speaker 1: I can read it, which makes you an author. I
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  have a book in my hand, which makes you an author.
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  Speaker 2: I tell you what, man. You had more of a
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  hand in that book than you would think. Before we started,
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  I had you sign one of the copies because I'm
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  going to keep it for myself. And the people's names
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  who associated themselves with that, who took a chance on
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  me and supporting me, they have just as much as
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  hands as the monkey who may or may not have
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  been sitting in front of the computer writing out the
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  words very slowly.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that the case with everything in life though? I
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  mean it's really who you know and like the people
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  that you associate with and what you learn from them
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  and their examples. With everything. There's no individuals that are
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  responsible entirely for their own life.
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  Speaker 2: There are individuals, though, that would tell you that they are.
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  Those are the.
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  Speaker 1: People that I don't hang out with. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I can't suffer being in the presence of somebody who
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  thinks that they had every idea and every right decision
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  was theirs. Because I look at my own life. One,
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  I can't compete with that because my life is defined
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  by its mistakes and idiotic things I've done. But two,
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  I just– I don't get it. I'm a product of
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  the people who I was raised by, the people I
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  was around, the people still in my life.
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  Speaker 1: I mean– 100 percent. We all are. If you don't
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  think that, you're delusional. You cannot have an exceptional person
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  that's surrounded by dipshits. They just won't– eventually they'll give
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  in to dipshittery. It's contagious. It's contagious. Negative people.
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  Speaker 2: You really got me thinking, though, if that is possible.
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  I'm trying to think of an example.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I probably shouldn't have said it's impossible. It could
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  be possible, but it's very highly unlikely. And also they
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  didn't achieve their full potential if that's the case. They
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  would have been even better if they had been surrounded
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  by exceptional people.
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  Speaker 2: Improbable at best.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, at best.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen an example of it. Again, maybe one
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  exists that I don't know about. But as far as
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  all the exceptional people that I know, they all associate
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  with other exceptional people.
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  Speaker 2: You know quite a few exceptional people. You have an
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  interesting job that has a Venn diagram that is incredibly
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  unique in the people you've been able to sit down with.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty fucking weird.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever think?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: First off, by the way, I try to point as
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  many people as possible to JRE number one because I
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  think it's a masterpiece.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good thing to see.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's terrible.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, wait for the snowflakes. And they go, what
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  the fuck are you talking about? I'm like, just wait.
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  It's amazing. I mean, could you have ever thought, though,
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  at JRE1, where I feel like that was you on
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  a laptop video.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. Yeah, 100%. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And to where you are now, where you were, like,
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  sitting down and talking to some of the most influential
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  people on the face of planet Earth.
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  Speaker 1: No. I mean, I think if I planned it out
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  like that, it would have never worked, you know?
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  Speaker 2: You would have tried too hard, maybe?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what I would have done. I mean,
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  I probably... would have been more careful, which would have
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  made it less fun, which would have made it less attractive.
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  You know, I think the two things that I've done
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  that are really important is not pay attention to much
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  online talk about me and just follow my interests and
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  my instincts. Like I, I booked the whole thing entirely
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  on instinct. I look at like the, the, all the
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  different suggestions that come in and all the different requests
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  to be on the show. And I go, no. Huh?
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  What was that? Huh?
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  Speaker 2: Purely on self-interest?
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  Speaker 1: A hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the way. What do you get per day?
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  Like ballpark people trying to get on your show?
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know because I have a really good
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  guy that filters out a lot of them.
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  Speaker 2: I bet it's got to be in the hundreds.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm sure. Yeah. But he filters out a lot
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  of them and it gets down to, you know, like
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  what I, he knows me really well. And so he,
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  you know, sends me like, Some physicist is working on
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  some new thing, some quantum thing, this, that, the other thing.
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  Like there's a new person that's doing this and there's
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  new research on that. And then there's– yeah, that kind
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  of shit.
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  Speaker 2: I think the difference between you and me is I
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  appreciate the fact you can hold a conversation with those people.
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  I would be sitting there listening to them with like
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  the scroll wheel on a pack. Do you have words
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  that are smaller that could explain that to me?
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  Speaker 1: Well, some of them I have to really prepare for. Like,
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  you know, if I have like a Brian Cox on
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  or something like that, I'll really prepare. You know, or,
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  you know, there's been a few people over time where
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  I knew they were coming on like three months out.
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  So I've read a couple of their books. I watched
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  a few of their lectures. I watched, you know. Yeah.
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  But then there's other ones like I could just hang
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  out with them. Like Evan Haver comes on. We just
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  shoot the shit.
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  Speaker 2: Angry small French painter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Fucking Green Berets.
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  Speaker 1: He's the best. I love that dude.
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  Speaker 2: I was with him at the Montana Grand Opening, Montana
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  Knife Company Grand Opening, their new HQ. We've been on
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  the road a bit. I think like two days ago.
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  He's one of my favorite people. Absolutely. He's so wee,
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  but he's one of my favorite people.
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  Speaker 1: He's an awesome human.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A very unusual human being. And, you know, he's one
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  of the ones that's suffering from that stupid fucking alpha
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  gal bite. He's got that tick. He got bit by
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  that tick that makes you allergic to red meat.
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  Speaker 2: Is it all red meat or processed red meat?
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  Speaker 1: It's animal meat. It's mammal meat. That's the thing. You
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  could eat some fish. Some people can eat fish. Some
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  people can eat chicken. He's broken it down to only
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  eating eggs right now. That's how bad it is. He's
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  getting all of his protein from eggs, which is a
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  great source of protein, no doubt.
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  Speaker 2: That's exhaustingly boring, though.
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  Speaker 1: Just go to dinner with him. It's crazy. The guy
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  has to eat vegetables and eggs. That's all he can eat.
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  Speaker 2: I would just mock him incessantly to his face.
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  Speaker 1: I know you would. Do you guys have a larger salad? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I would mock him that way because I
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  care for him so deeply. He is truly like one
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  of my closest friends. He is. He's an awesome dude. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so he's been battling this for a couple of
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  years now. So he got clear of it and he
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  was eating meat again and he was fine and he
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  thought it was over. And then it came back. He
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  came back with a vengeance. And it's a weird fucking
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  disease because I've– let's find out. Put this into perplexity.
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  What is the most– what is– as far as like
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  the documented cases of this alpha gal syndrome, when did
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  it first start occurring in the United States? Because I
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  had never even heard about it until Evan. When he
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  told me about it, I was like, what? You got
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  to– allergic to red meat.
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  Speaker 2: And how can a tick bite cause that? I mean,
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  Lyme disease is another one. Like, how does it do that?
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  A bite from a tick just jacks up the human body.
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  Speaker 1: Well, apparently Lyme disease has existed. There's been forms of
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  Lyme disease throughout history. But there's real solid evidence that
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  Lyme disease, which is named Lyme disease because of Lyme, Connecticut,
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  is related to Plum Island, where they were doing bioweapons
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  research on ticks.
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  Speaker 2: It's a historically good idea.
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  Speaker 1: And it's right there. It's like literally right there. And
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  then the prevalence of Lyme disease on the East Coast
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  is fucking outrageous. It's outrageous how many ticks carry this
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  fucking thing. I know so many people that have Lyme disease.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a lifelong one too, right? Like you're not
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  getting off that train? You can manage the system.
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  Speaker 1: You can cure it. You can cure it. People have
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  cured it. And they've particularly cured it if they get
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  on antibiotics very quickly. So one of the weird things
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  about Lyme disease is that the bite has like a
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  little target around it. It's weird. It's like it almost
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  looks like a bullseye because the infection, as it grows,
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  there's a red circle around the bite. But that goes
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  away within a few days. But if that's recognized, you
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  bring it to a doctor, they get you on antibiotics,
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  you can actually get off of it. depending on the
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  severity of your case, obviously. So here it is. Alpha-gal
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  syndromes appeared to have first emerged in the US in
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  the late 1980s, but was not recognized as a distinct
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  tick-related meat allergy until the early 2000s. So in 89,
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  clinicians in Georgia collected about 10 cases of delayed allergic
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  reactions to mammalian meat. Mammalian? Mammalian. Mammalian meat and linked
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  them to prior tick bites. These observations were not widely
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  recognized at the time. Allergy was first formally identified as
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  originating from tick bites in the U.S. by Thomas Platts
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  Mills in the early 2000s. Reports note this discovery process
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  beginning around 2002 and becoming clear by 2007. Huh. So
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  in the medical literature, it's first described in 2009 when
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  published work documented patients with delayed reactions to red meat
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  and linked them to IgE against alpha-gal. Interesting. So it
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  seems like it's in the 80s but really started being
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  recognized in the 2000s.
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  Speaker 2: Explain– I mean he has definitely– he's slandered down.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he's lost– I think he lost 10 pounds.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he was wearing his wife's pants at
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  the MKC event. They were very tight, very tight, unacceptably tight.
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  But that could be a benefit. If you're the same
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  size as your wife and you have just one wardrobe,
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  I'm here for it.
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  Speaker 1: That's nice. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's efficiency.
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  Speaker 1: Some of their shoes though are really hard to walk
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  around in.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you got to commit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: When I go places with my wife, I'm like, what
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  are you doing? You can't walk. This is a crazy
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  thing you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: It's not for walking. It's for what my daughter would
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  call the steez, which I think means style.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm actually not sure that I'm using it correctly. She
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  just teaches me words and I throw them out at
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  random times.
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  Speaker 1: But I think.
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  Speaker 2: Steeze means style, I think.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Steeze. Okay. Did you know about that one, Jamie? The steeze?
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  I've probably heard it.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I have never heard it until this moment. At least
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  I don't believe so. The steeze.
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  Speaker 2: Feel free to use it however you want to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, chicks wear stuff that they're so vulnerable in. You
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  can only take steps that are less than 24 inches
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  wide because you've got a dress that's like clinging to
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  your knees. Which is very odd. Like it's tight all
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  around here. So you've got these short steps. And then
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  the bottoms of your shoes are slippery. And then your
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  heels are elevated. And then the heel has a point
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  to it. So it gets stuck in the grass.
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  Speaker 2: Just waiting to snap at the most inopportune moment.
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  Speaker 1: It's the dumbest shit of all time. And they're fucking
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  crazy expensive. The whole thing makes no sense. Like what
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  are they doing?
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  Speaker 2: They're trying to look good for us.
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  Speaker 1: But they look good already. That's what they don't understand.
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  I think they're looking good for themselves. I think they
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  look good without that shit.
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  Speaker 2: I would agree.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A hot chick in flip flops. No one's going, God,
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  I wish she was wearing some shoes that you couldn't
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  walk around in.
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  Speaker 2: She might even be more approachable if she was in
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  flip flops because you'd be like, she's like maybe more
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  down to earth.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that's what they're going for. They're going for not approachable.
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  Trying to keep the fucking.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't that defeat the overall end, like long end around purpose?
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  Speaker 1: No. You're trying to get dudes that are, you know,
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  willing to take a chance. On what? On a gal
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  that's unapproachable. Like you have enough confidence in yourself that
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  you'll step up to an unapproachable gal.
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  Speaker 2: Nope, not me. Hard pass. Hard pass. Too much work.
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  I'm willing to do some things that people think are odd,
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  but yeah, that's a hard pass.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. But also it's like you're in line.
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  There's a lot of other dudes approaching that too.
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  Speaker 2: Probably.
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  Speaker 1: So now then it's like you're in an audition process.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck all of that.
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  Speaker 1: Boring.
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  Speaker 2: Life is way too short for all that.
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  Speaker 1: It's great for people who don't have anything else to do,
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  if that's all you want to do.
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  Speaker 2: Nope.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not interested in that either.
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  Speaker 2: Same. There's way too much other exciting shit out there.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, if you and your wife wore all the
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  same clothes, that would be an issue.
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  Speaker 2: A good issue or bad? I mean, if you're limited
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  on time, we're going to go on a trip. Let's
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  just bring a pair of pants.
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  Speaker 1: We'll switch. I wonder what people did in the caveman days.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they were wearing much.
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  Speaker 1: Right. But you're wearing like some kind of animal skins.
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  It's basically a one-size-fits-all tarp. Loincloth.
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  Speaker 2: That you throw over yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Loincloth to keep your dick from getting caught in thorns.
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  And then a tarp. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Cutting edge at the time.
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  Speaker 1: I was reading this story about these guys that were
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  exceptional marathon runners in Africa. And one of the things
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  that they did is this insane fucking rites of passage
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  where they would circumcise them. with this I don't remember
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  the process but it was a particularly brutal process they
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  sliced the tip of their dick off and then they
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  would make them literally crawl through thorns yeah the whole
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  idea is just like make you as hard as humanly
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  possible and these guys they were pointing to this one
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  tribe as developing exceptional marathon runners because these guys had
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  such high pain tolerance and such like willingness to go
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  through horrific ordeals what is it here it is initiation
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  okay um so he says he had to crawl mostly
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  naked through a tunnel of african stinging nettles then he
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  was beaten on the bony parts of his ankle then
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  his knuckles were squeezed together and then the formic acid
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  from the stinging nettle was wiped onto his genitals but
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  that was all just a warm-up early one morning he
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  was circumcised with a sharp stick that's what it is
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  a stick Stick. During this whole process, the crawling, the beatings,
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  and the cuttings. Try to say that guy's name. No.
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  Kip go. Kip go guy.
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  Speaker 2: Kip gogi.
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  Speaker 1: Kip go guy. Kip gogi was obliged. Sounds like a
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  Korean dish. Was obliged to be absolutely stoical, unflinching. He
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  could not make a sound. Indeed, in some of the
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  versions of the ceremony, mud is caked on the face
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  and then mud is allowed to dry. If a crack
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  appears in the mud. Your cheek may twitch. Your forehead
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  may crinkle. You get labeled a kebitet, a coward. You
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  get labeled a coward if your cheek crinkles and stigmatized
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  by the whole community. Manners say that this is enormous
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  social pressure placed on your ability to endure pain and
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  is actually great training for a sport like running where
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  pushing through pain is so fundamental to success. Circumcisions, he says,
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  teaches kids to withstand pressure and tolerate pain. Manner says
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  he thinks his distinct advantage conferred on athletic kids who
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  grew up in a pain-embracing society as opposed to Western
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  pain-avoiding one. Interesting. Where is this at? In Kenya? It's
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  a Kenyan tribe? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going to be honest with you, Joe.
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  If that's what they did to your people, I would
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  run pretty goddamn fast too because I would want to
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  get the hell out of there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's that, but I just think, you know,
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  you're joking, obviously, but imagine if that's the norm, if
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  that's your baseline, you're like accustomed to that. That's the
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  worst thing that you go through and you have to
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  do a completely stoic.
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  Speaker 2: At a young age.
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  Speaker 1: At a young age. You would develop some insane tolerance
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  to discomfort, which.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if one time is enough, though. I mean,
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  like what they're describing is horrendous, but true tolerance and
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  resilience and ability to work through that stuff. I don't
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  think it's a singular event.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Not that marathon running is an easy endeavor by any stretch.
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  So they're continuing to do that. I mean I get
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  what they're doing, that rite of passage, but holy hell.
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  I mean that's pretty gnarly.
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  Speaker 1: That's a thing that you will see from ex-fighters and
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  even ex-military guys. Like what they endured when they were
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  young was so brutal that as they get older, they
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  avoid any discomfort at all. They get fat and they
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  just want to drink and be lazy. And you're like,
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  how did you go from being that fucking beast– to
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  this slob and you know they still in their mind
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  they're still a beast you know because i did this
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  and i was a world champion and like a big fucking.
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  Speaker 2: Belly yeah they can't see their dick when they're naked
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  anymore weird uh it's i don't have any stats on
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  how but it's because they stopped doing it correct right
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  i mean laziness affects everybody right everybody thinks that you
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  come from the special operations world and you're defined by
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  discipline for the rest of your life no you're still
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  a human being at the end of the day behind
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  the curtain And, you know, gravity wants to keep guys
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  like that on the couch just as much as everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I think you realize the utility of not allowing
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  that to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Some people do.
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  Speaker 2: Some people do. I mean, that's true of every occupation
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  in life.
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  Speaker 1: Sure. You know? Yep. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it's a little bit more uncommon for people to
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  see those that came from one of those occupations. But, yeah,
• 16:54
  they're out there. Yeah.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: I think that's probably in everything in the medical world,
• 16:58
  I'm sure. There's guys that, like, really paid attention in
• 17:00
  college and then they're kind of half-assing it as doctors. Yeah.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: For sure.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like the difficulty of the grind. Sometimes
• 17:09
  you get through it and then you just go, I
• 17:11
  don't want to ever fucking do that again. Like I
• 17:14
  know guys who are former Navy SEALs will not get
• 17:16
  in a fucking ice bath.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm one of those.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Hi.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Nice to meet you.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Why would I consensually do that?
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: And I also wish that they could make a sauna
• 17:27
  that was just room temperature but had all the health benefits.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: See, sauna doesn't bother me at all.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I can tolerate that one way more than exceptionally cold water,
• 17:36
  which I understand the health benefit. I'm willing to pass
• 17:40
  on that particular health benefit. It's emotional for me. I
• 17:42
  just don't want to do that anymore.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah. I get it. But when I
• 17:47
  get to the cold plunge, the bitch in me is
• 17:51
  so loud. But when I get to the sauna, there's
• 17:54
  no bitch. It's like, just get in. It's like I
• 17:56
  know it's going to suck about 20 minutes in. It'll
• 17:58
  suck for the last five minutes. It's really going to suck.
• 18:01
  But the first 10 is easy.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: I just high-five my inner bitch at the cold plunge
• 18:05
  and turn around. Like, why don't you take a laugh
• 18:09
  at that thing? I'm done with it.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I almost don't do it every day. Every day, I
• 18:13
  almost don't do it.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's harder emotionally than it is physically.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: It's weird because after a minute, it's not that bad.
• 18:21
  After one minute, it's like you just kind of develop
• 18:24
  sort of a relaxation and you're cool. It's fine. Especially
• 18:28
  if you do it a lot. But the first... 10,
• 18:31
  15 seconds, you're just like, what am I doing? You
• 18:34
  just want to get out. You just want to quit.
• 18:37
  Get me the fuck out of this 34-degree water with
• 18:40
  ice up to my neck. Fuck this. This is so stupid.
• 18:44
  I don't have to do this.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you feel like you're having a heart attack.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: But then you just chill. And then when you get out,
• 18:49
  you're like, oh, you feel so good. It's so worth it.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Or don't do it. Just leave it empty. use it
• 18:58
  to store tennis balls or something other than ice cold water.
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  Apparently there's real data that it's harder for women. It's
• 19:43
  harder for women to tolerate extreme cold weather. Cold temperatures
• 19:46
  and water, apparently.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they even recommend... like women's cold plunges be slightly
• 19:52
  warmer than men's. Yeah. I don't know.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I wonder what that would be. I don't know. Something
• 19:59
  about their physiology that it might actually be detrimental to
• 20:02
  do 34 degrees that– see if we can find any
• 20:05
  data on that. You know who's a great– what's her name?
• 20:08
  Suzanne Soberg. She's the one who created the Soberg principle.
• 20:12
  She's the one Huberman cites all the time. But I
• 20:16
  think there's something to do– maybe it's less muscle mass.
• 20:21
  Your body has a more difficult time heating itself up
• 20:24
  and creating a thermal barrier. I don't know.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Huberman is an example of a guy that I deeply
• 20:30
  respect but struggle to understand what he's saying.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Here it is. Is this Suzanne's? Did you put this
• 20:36
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• 20:42
  Women tend to vasoconstrict faster and have larger drops in
• 20:46
  core temperature. Especially those in, I don't know what that is,
• 20:51
  luteal phase.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, their cycle.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: The cycle. Oh. When progesterone is higher, so extreme cold
• 20:58
  can be more stressful. Very cold plunges near ice, 35
• 21:02
  to 45 degrees, can cause big sympathetic and cortisol spikes
• 21:08
  that may disrupt menstrual regularity and thyroid function if overused. Oh, interesting.
• 21:14
  Animal and limited human data suggest cold can influence reproductive
• 21:17
  hormones and cycles women with heavy cramps, endometriosis, fibroids and
• 21:26
  or on HRT contraception should be cautious and talk with
• 21:31
  a clinician first. Good luck finding a fucking clinician that
• 21:34
  understands cold plunges, though.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: And there's a picture of me in the lower right.
• 21:40
  It's probably what I look like when I get my
• 21:41
  toe in. I just don't like it, man.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Don't do it.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Hydrophobic, I think, is the correct term.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: You suffer enough. You suffer enough. So this book, the
• 21:50
  title is Drown Proof. You were saying before we got started,
• 21:55
  How many Navy SEALs wind up drowning and that it's
• 21:59
  actually kind of shocking?
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: It would be for a community that is supposed to
• 22:03
  have their roots in a maritime environment. I mean, the
• 22:06
  SEAL community draws its origins from the UDTs and the
• 22:10
  scouts and raiders. And honestly, up until 9-11, it was
• 22:14
  one foot in the water and one foot on land.
• 22:16
  Like every operation would start in the water and then
• 22:18
  you could go onto the land, but you'd probably go
• 22:20
  back into the water. And almost all of the training
• 22:22
  we did 9-11 was based around water. Um, and I think,
• 22:26
  let's see, Jamie, you could look this up. Uh, two
• 22:28
  seals recently drowned on a ship boarding, a real world
• 22:31
  ship boarding. Uh, one guy, it seems like in the
• 22:35
  climb peeled off the ladder and went into the water
• 22:38
  and somebody saw him and went in with him because
• 22:41
  of the concept of being a swim buddy, never to
• 22:44
  be seen again. Oh yeah.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Um, and they know what, what happened to them? Like how?
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's, uh, yeah, 2024 in the Arabian sea. Uh, Oh,
• 22:54
  so he fell off a ship.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: So they were approaching a vessel. I mean, there's a
• 22:58
  couple of ways that you can get on a boat.
• 22:59
  You can come from a boat and you can climb
• 23:01
  up or you can go from a helicopter and fast
• 23:03
  rope down where they could land, depending on how big
• 23:05
  the boat is. So they were coming up alongside. It's
• 23:08
  called an underway or VBSS visit board search and seizure
• 23:12
  is the technical military term for it. And on the
• 23:15
  climb up the ladder, the guy peeled off, fell off
• 23:18
  the ladder. And another one went in with him as
• 23:21
  a swim buddy. If they immediately– and there was and
• 23:24
  maybe still is an ongoing investigation. From my understanding, they
• 23:28
  saw their head maybe one time up and then they
• 23:31
  were gone. Their bodies were never recovered. So that would
• 23:34
  seem to be that they were wearing negatively buoyant equipment.
• 23:37
  So they were drug down and they probably were not
• 23:39
  able to activate their life jackets in time, which is
• 23:42
  super unfortunate. But the water doesn't give a shit who
• 23:45
  you are and how much of a badass you are.
• 23:47
  I think it's one of the most gnarly environments on earth.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: It really is. Every time I go in the ocean
• 23:53
  and I swim in the ocean, there's this feeling like,
• 23:57
  I think I can make it to shore, but I
• 23:59
  might not be able to. Like if you jump off
• 24:03
  of a boat and you've got like a couple of
• 24:05
  hundred yards to shore, as you start swimming, you start
• 24:09
  swimming like, I'm fine. I'm fine. Oh boy, my heart
• 24:12
  is going pretty fast here. I'm breathing pretty heavy. That's
• 24:16
  a long way. I'm moving very slowly.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Like, what if I can't do this?
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: These are real positive thoughts to have mid-swim here, Joe. Yeah.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Not good. Not good. Yeah. It's only happened to me
• 24:29
  a few times. But my friend Greg actually had to
• 24:31
  save a woman. He was on vacation. He saw a
• 24:33
  woman getting caught in the tide and she was getting
• 24:36
  pulled out.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, like a riptide?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Those things will pull people out never to be seen again.
• 24:41
  People don't. So I live up in northwestern Montana and
• 24:44
  a lot of the Flathead Lake, the largest freshwater lake
• 24:47
  west of the Mississippi is right where I live. And
• 24:49
  Glacier National Park, tons of snowfall, and so it's glacially
• 24:52
  fed rivers that feed into Flathead National Forest. Or not
• 24:56
  Flathead National Forest, Flathead Lake. And boating is a huge
• 25:01
  summertime activity. And people travel from all over the world
• 25:04
  to come to Montana to see GNP, Glacier National Park.
• 25:08
  And every year people are drowning in these rivers. And
• 25:11
  I don't know– it's dangerous– But it can be avoided,
• 25:16
  but it seems as if they just do not have
• 25:18
  respect for even medium-moving water. They have no exposure to it.
• 25:23
  They're not used to being in that water, and they
• 25:26
  don't look at it and realize, like, that'll kill me
• 25:29
  so incredibly fast. And every year, people are going into
• 25:32
  that thing and dying.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Every year. Well, it makes sense also that it's so
• 25:35
  fucking cold. That water, you've got glacier streams. Yeah. It's like,
• 25:41
  Remy rescued a lady from that. You know Remy Warren? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 25:45
  Remy actually saw a boat that had capsized and saw
• 25:50
  like gear floating by and saw a woman that was struggling.
• 25:54
  And I believe her partner died. No, I'm sure her
• 25:56
  partner died. And he jumped in freezing cold river and
• 26:00
  rescued her. And he was like, there's a bunch of
• 26:02
  moments during there. It was like, I am not going
• 26:04
  to make it. I'm going to die trying to save
• 26:06
  this lady.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Which happens when people get close to that point. They're
• 26:12
  going to– in your best attempt to save them, they
• 26:13
  will try to use you as a life raft and
• 26:15
  climb all over you. The next thing you know, two
• 26:17
  people are gone instead of one. Yeah, the water will
• 26:20
  eat your lunch, man. It's wild. But you would think
• 26:24
  we spend so much time training in the water that
• 26:25
  it wouldn't happen. I mean there's diving accidents. There are
• 26:29
  deaths in training. How often does that occur, deaths in training? Oh,
• 26:34
  probably about every five years. And it sucks because– And
• 26:39
  what I'm about to say, people won't understand, but I
• 26:41
  also think it's essential. I don't want it to happen,
• 26:46
  but I think it probably is essential that it does
• 26:50
  every once in a while.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Because the training has to be so difficult that you
• 26:53
  get to the brink.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: You have to train people for the job that they're
• 26:57
  going to be asked to do. And the training standards
• 27:01
  need to be a directly downstream reflection of what the
• 27:04
  career is going to be. And I don't have the
• 27:08
  vocabulary to describe how bad I feel for the families
• 27:11
  and I'm not trying to minimize anybody's death. But you
• 27:14
  will lose more people in the real world execution of
• 27:17
  the job if you don't make training that difficult than
• 27:20
  you will by making it that dangerous, knowing that it's
• 27:24
  going to be that dangerous and that people will die.
• 27:26
  That will have a positive impact on people surviving the
• 27:29
  actual job itself.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: That completely makes sense. It's just the realities of life.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Some jobs are very unique and some jobs have
• 27:38
  very unique requirements and you have to train for that.
• 27:41
  Or it's going to either come for you on the
• 27:43
  front end of that or the tail end of that.
• 27:44
  That's the balance of which one of those are you
• 27:46
  going to focus on.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Which is why the lowering of standards is so fucking dangerous.
• 27:51
  And when it's talked about like the lowering of standards
• 27:54
  to make it fair for some applicants, like there's no
• 27:58
  fair in that job.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I've never seen a bullet change trajectory because– It noticed
• 28:05
  what you had between your legs and wanted to go
• 28:06
  be more fair and equitable to somebody else.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter in those moments.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Nor does the ocean give a fuck. No. Period.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: No, I don't believe it does.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: But it's so weird when we try to apply these
• 28:22
  workplace equity considerations to something that's– like I can't think
• 28:29
  of a job that requires more of you than war.
• 28:33
  Like there is– this is literal life or death and
• 28:36
  taking life. There's no job that requires more of you.
• 28:41
  And so you would just automatically assume the standards, especially
• 28:45
  for special operations guys, have to be the most stringent possible.
• 28:51
  You have to weed out all the bitches. Like you
• 28:53
  can't have any bitch in you at all. There's got
• 28:55
  to be none. No quit, no nothing. And that's– there's
• 28:58
  only one way to do that. It has to– you
• 29:00
  have to make a bunch of people quit.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: A lot of the times the people who are bottom
• 29:03
  lining the policy changes don't have a direct impact in
• 29:06
  the training pipeline themselves or the execution of the job.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Which is crazy. Yeah.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I mean the military is a bureaucratic system. Even in
• 29:12
  the special operations world, even at like the JSOC level,
• 29:16
  people would be– it never really makes the movie the
• 29:19
  amount of paperwork that you end up doing. Like you
• 29:21
  go on a trip and you have to collect your
• 29:22
  receipts and do your travel claim and all this other BS.
• 29:24
  It's all just shit blowing up and you throw a
• 29:27
  grenade and it's a fireball the size of a 55-gallon
• 29:29
  drum of gasoline and Yeah, and then there's two days
• 29:32
  sitting in front of a computer typing out all of
• 29:34
  your administrative stuff because of all the bureaucratic restraints that
• 29:36
  are still involved in all of that.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Exactly. seem smart.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: It's just the way the military system works.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Now, is that to somehow or another mitigate potential actions
• 29:49
  that should not have been done because you have to
• 29:52
  be so documented? Everything has to be so laid out?
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of– even like the equipment
• 29:58
  that you wear, oftentimes– well, almost all of it is
• 30:01
  going to be serialized. So you were issued that equipment.
• 30:03
  You're responsible for it. There's paperwork that goes for being
• 30:06
  issued that if you lose it, which does happen, and
• 30:08
  it's not going to be career-ending. Like if you went
• 30:10
  out for a week in a row and you're like, hey,
• 30:12
  I lost my night vision goggles again. I'm going to
• 30:14
  need another set of those. You might have a problem.
• 30:16
  But shit happens and people lose gear. But night vision, weapons, ordnance, ammunition,
• 30:21
  like a lot of that stuff is serialized. And so
• 30:24
  it's just the bureaucratic way– That even at that level,
• 30:26
  you still have to keep track of all of that stuff.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: You would think they should hire somebody else to do that.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: They do, but oftentimes you are in small units, very
• 30:35
  isolated by yourself. And so you still have to maintain,
• 30:37
  like even in the middle of nowhere, you still have
• 30:39
  to maintain the paperwork aspect of all the stuff that
• 30:41
  you take with you.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: God, that's kind of crazy. Yeah. That seems like an
• 30:46
  unnecessary distraction to an already very insanely difficult job.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying we do the paperwork well.
• 30:55
  I mean, come on, Joe. There's a reason why the
• 30:56
  DOD has never passed an audit, but I mean— Ever.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I know. The Pentagon, like how many years in a
• 31:03
  row has the Pentagon failed their audits? Like 700. It
• 31:08
  really is kind of bonkers. I believe the.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Marine Corps is the only branch of the military that
• 31:12
  has ever actually done a legitimate audit and passed.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Those guys are tightened up, man. Those guys are— God,
• 31:19
  I love Marines. They are the best.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Shout out to the Marines.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: They are the best, man.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Wow. They're the only guys who pass the audits. That's crazy.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: The rest of us are just out there like, I
• 31:30
  think I got it with me.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: But the problem with that is once you don't pass
• 31:35
  audits and there's a history of you not only not
• 31:38
  passing audits but not being punished for not passing audits,
• 31:42
  that opens up the door. No, the Pentagon has never passed,
• 31:48
  never passed a full, clean, department-wide financial audit as of
• 31:53
  the latest audits. Defense Department is the only one of
• 31:56
  24 major federal agencies that has never passed a full
• 31:59
  financial audit.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: So it's only been going on since 2018. So no
• 32:05
  big deal, guys. It's only eight years.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's only a few trillion dollars. Whatever, whatever.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: It's fake money anyway. They just make it. That's pretty crazy.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Well, the budget is interesting in the military. So they
• 32:19
  go off a fiscal year from October 1st.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Hold on. We have this statistic. The Pentagon's own audit
• 32:27
  materials have pointed to a target of around 2028 financial
• 32:31
  year to achieve– to finally achieve a clean department-wide audit.
• 32:35
  Contingent on fixing longstanding accounting and systems problems. Imagine if
• 32:40
  the IRS calls you up and says, Andy, you didn't
• 32:43
  pass your audit. I think I can get it in 2028.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I'm on a lower trajectory towards this target you want
• 32:50
  to be at. You want me like this? I'm like this.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I can get there in about two years. Okay.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: That's reasonable. Let's just take all your money between now
• 32:58
  and then.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: No, we don't need to do that. Let's give you
• 33:01
  a bigger budget to work with.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I wonder if that answer takes into account what's going
• 33:06
  on currently in the world because I feel like we're
• 33:08
  running through some inventory that might have to be tabulated.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: It seems like there's probably a lot of ordinance that's
• 33:13
  been– A lot of it does sit around for a while.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: So there is an argument to expending it. I am
• 33:18
  not in any way, shape or form– It.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Could go bad. It's like tomatoes. You got to eat them.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Not exactly like tomatoes. I suppose a grenade is slightly
• 33:28
  tomato-shaped but– A JDAM looks nothing like a tomato.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: What do they– I mean just– I don't know if
• 33:34
  this has ever happened. What do they do if– whether
• 33:38
  it's missiles or any weapons have been sitting around too
• 33:42
  long and you– is there an expiration date?
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: There probably is. And I mean I've been there when
• 33:49
  we have literally burned like rifle ammunition, large stockpiles of
• 33:53
  rifle ammunition.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah. Because if it's sitting around too long, there
• 33:57
  comes the possibility that it's no longer effective.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Uh, man, this was a while ago. I think it
• 34:03
  was more that once we got issued it, we were
• 34:04
  expected to expend it all. So we were not allowed
• 34:07
  to take it back to base with us.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: So we were, Oh, that's hilarious. Oh, that's even dumber.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: You want some funny stories? Talk to Evan sometime. I
• 34:14
  bet you he's had this experience. So there's a, uh,
• 34:18
  a weapon called the Carl Gustav that if you shoot
• 34:22
  too many of these things, it's in the manual, it'll
• 34:23
  start separating the lining in your lungs from your body
• 34:26
  because you're just, it is just this massive projectile. And
• 34:31
  you'll go out and do these training evolutions and they'll say, yeah,
• 34:35
  here we are, the Carl G. Do not stand behind
• 34:37
  this bad boy when it goes off.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: So how many can you shoot before it separates the
• 34:42
  linings of your lungs?
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I believe the warning is somewhere around six. Jesus Christ. Oh, Joe,
• 34:48
  you'll go out to training evolutions and there'll be five
• 34:50
  guys and there's a pallet of ammunition and they'll say
• 34:53
  you're not leaving here until all.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: These are shot. Oh, my God.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: And you're cracking off Carl G's until you have a nosebleed.
• 35:00
  Or you'll go out– they have like law rockets or–
• 35:05
  when I first went through, it was M60 ammo. They're like, yeah,
• 35:07
  but you guys– the training is not over until you
• 35:09
  guys shoot all this. I'm like, yeah, but we totally
• 35:11
  did everything we're supposed to. We understand that. But just
• 35:14
  go ahead and lay down on the line and shoot
• 35:15
  these thousands of rounds of ammunition at whatever you want
• 35:18
  to because it's been issued to you. So now you
• 35:20
  need to go expend it.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Can you show me one of those things going off, Jamie?
• 35:26
  Carl G's. I want to see what it looks like.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk my wife into naming our next
• 35:31
  dub Carl G.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I shot a. 50 caliber once. Like a Barrett? Yeah.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: How'd that feel?
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: Boom!
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Like your whole body just goes boom!
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is a two-man evolution here. Look at
• 35:45
  the size of that bad boy.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Holy shit.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Close it. Lock it. He's checking the back blast. This
• 35:51
  guy's like, fuck, I'm about to lose my teeth.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Here we go. Oh, did he shoot it? Yeah. I
• 36:00
  didn't see it.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be essentially recoilless. Why didn't they show it?
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: They did. Show it again?
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: That's the back blast right there.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, so he doesn't even move.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, when he was pulling the trigger, that wasn't loaded.
• 36:13
  That was a fake shot of him showing how you
• 36:15
  pull the trigger.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. We'll see if there's more video. I just
• 36:20
  want a better shot of it actually going off in
• 36:22
  his arms. Let me see what it looks like. Ready
• 36:25
  for fire! Here we go.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Back blast area clear.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Boy, he looks fucking nervous. Yeah. Look at him breathing.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Firing, firing, firing.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Ooh. Oh, my goodness. Oh, yeah, airburst.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: You can set these suckers. You can twist the warhead
• 36:44
  to set a delay on the thing. You can have
• 36:45
  it airburst, like if they're trying to play hide and
• 36:47
  seek with you on a wall.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: See, this is the argument for those little robot dogs,
• 36:51
  because you put one on one of them little robot
• 36:53
  dogs and have that thing shoot it, and that way
• 36:55
  you don't have to lose the lining of your lungs.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know if a robot dog could handle that thing.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Really? What about one of them big robot dogs?
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know if the answer is just make it bigger.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Probably.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a size of robot dog that could
• 37:07
  handle that.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, you would imagine.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: But then you would need a friendly other robot dog to.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Reload it for him. Right. But that would be possible.
• 37:15
  That would totally be possible. Or the robot dog has
• 37:17
  like arms in the back that can do it.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: That was a training round. Nice little rifle barrel.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's crazy. That's cool to see. What a great shot.
• 37:27
  Imagine standing there taking that shot, though. Fuck all that.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: As a dude loading around into it.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, that.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Reach the camera over for that one.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Good Lord. Yeah.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: No, next time you're sitting down with Evan, ask him, like, hey,
• 37:41
  did you ever, at the end of training evolutions, ever
• 37:45
  have extra ordnance and ammunition that you had to dispose of?
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Crazy. They just make you blow it up.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. His answer will be yes and he'll just start laughing.
• 37:54
  So if you have to do it outside of shooting,
• 37:57
  how do you do it? You can blow stuff in place.
• 38:00
  Like you can make a large pile of stuff and,
• 38:02
  you know, layer it.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Watch something at it? Or do you light it on fire?
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: You can actually light ammunition on fire. It'll go off.
• 38:09
  In what direction? Well, outside of it being compressed in
• 38:12
  the chamber of a gun, which, you know, if you
• 38:16
  think of like an AR platform rifle. When the round
• 38:19
  is in the magazine, it gets pushed forward by the bolt,
• 38:21
  and it's being held by all sides except for down
• 38:24
  the barrel. So all of the pressure is pointed in
• 38:26
  that direction, which is what propels the bullet down the barrel.
• 38:29
  If you remove that, it kind of just explodes in place.
• 38:31
  I'm not saying it's safe to, like, stand around and, like,
• 38:33
  have a beer while you're watching, like, from me to you. Right.
• 38:36
  We would be on the other side of a burn,
• 38:37
  but it sounds like popcorn going off.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: And then for other stuff, you can layer explosive charges
• 38:43
  on top of it and probably get all of it
• 38:44
  to go.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: God, it seems insanely wasteful. It seems like you should
• 38:49
  be able to say we achieved what we needed to
• 38:52
  achieve in our training. Here is our excess ordinance that
• 38:55
  we could use in the future.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you just haven't spent enough time around the military.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Well, that's been explained to me about budgets, that if
• 39:04
  you do not. meet your budget, you get in trouble
• 39:08
  because then they can't ask for the same amount of
• 39:10
  money next year.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: So I heard that every year when I was in.
• 39:12
  And September was a fantastic month to be in the
• 39:14
  military because that's when they– because the budget year is
• 39:17
  October 1 to October 1. So September, the bean counters
• 39:21
  really start taking a look at what they have left.
• 39:23
  And they'd say– I was a supply rep for a
• 39:26
  short period of time, meaning I was a little cog
• 39:28
  in the wheel of supplying stuff to the guys. They're like,
• 39:32
  you need to spend $ 100, 000 in the next three hours
• 39:34
  on shoes. Which, let me tell you, REI is happy
• 39:40
  to take your money. REI.com will run that card. And
• 39:44
  you always would hear this. If we don't spend it,
• 39:46
  we're going to lose it. But I never actually saw
• 39:48
  that tested. I don't know if you actually would get
• 39:51
  in trouble. They just always assumed that you would. So
• 39:54
  you ran that sucker down to bankrupt and then October 1st,
• 39:58
  you're good to go.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: So here's a good question in terms of like shoes.
• 40:03
  When your missions involve a bunch of different types of terrain,
• 40:07
  a bunch of– like how Is it– do they favor
• 40:11
  a lighter weight shoe that's more of an all-purpose shoe?
• 40:15
  Because like I couldn't imagine you would be wearing like
• 40:18
  a crispy mountain boot with like high leather. Yeah?
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Well, so it depends.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: So you'd vary.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: You got to have a wardrobe, Joe.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Being good at your job is second only to looking
• 40:28
  good while doing your job. So we– trust me. I've
• 40:31
  sent people back to– like your top and bottom are matching.
• 40:34
  We're not doing this. Go change.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You have to look the part. It's equal to
• 40:39
  your professionalism and tactical ability.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe perhaps I was a little bit picky on that,
• 40:45
  but I don't want to clash on the battlefield. You
• 40:47
  need to look good. You can't have everybody looking awesome
• 40:52
  and then you look like shit. Go change your outfit out.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have orange boots on, dude. What are you doing? Yeah.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: The boots, you could... I mean, you take a Pelican
• 41:01
  case or a box. You have a tool for every job.
• 41:04
  So if you're going to go up in the mountains,
• 41:05
  if you're going to go... Like northeastern Afghanistan, you're going
• 41:08
  to wear a different type of shoe for sure. If
• 41:10
  you're in Iraq in an urban environment, you're going to
• 41:12
  wear probably the lightest weight, like the– I forget who
• 41:16
  makes them, but like the Speed Cross shoes. And those
• 41:20
  things are– I mean you might get two months out
• 41:22
  of those. So you bring a couple pair. You're going
• 41:24
  to bring some footwear that if you needed to go
• 41:26
  into the water, like not swim around in the water
• 41:28
  but pass through water.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Are those like Solomon's? Is that what the Speedcross is? Yeah,
• 41:31
  the Salomon Speedcross.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: And the soles on those things, they don't last very long.
• 41:35
  But again, when you get $ 100, 000 to buy shoes for
• 41:37
  three hours, you can buy extras for people. So you
• 41:41
  kind of have a– it's just like all the rest
• 41:43
  of the gear. You have cold weather gear. You have
• 41:45
  desert gear. And the coldest I've ever been is actually
• 41:47
  in the desert because of the super high, high and
• 41:49
  then the super– that swing was way colder than like
• 41:53
  in mountainous terrain.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: It's like the moon. Yeah. Yeah.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, so when you lay out your stuff,
• 41:56
  like before every deployment you get ready to go on,
• 41:59
  you're laying your stuff out. You probably have two tables
• 42:01
  like this with all– like desert, woodland, cold weather, layering system, shoes,
• 42:09
  different load-bearing equipment, different– and then you just lay it
• 42:12
  all out, put it into a bag, and then you're
• 42:15
  doing the best you can. Then you're kind of just
• 42:17
  packing for what comes up in front of you.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: And you're just ordering stuff from REI for real? Sometimes, yeah.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Not everywhere. The conventional teams are very limited in their
• 42:26
  ability to do that. At a JSOC level, you have
• 42:28
  a little bit more room and flexibility to source from
• 42:31
  outside vendors.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: So you would go for the best possible tool for
• 42:35
  the job.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: 100% of the time.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Instead of just get military issue. Correct. I got
• 42:42
  the dumbest question for you about Afghanistan. Tell me more.
• 42:46
  This is the dumbest question. Have you heard of the
• 42:50
  story of the Kandahar giant?
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Are we talking about an actual giant? Uh-huh.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: No.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: How did you hear the story about a Kandahar giant?
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: There's a crazy thing called the internet.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I may spend less time on the internet than you guys.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: And if you have a good algorithm, and by good,
• 43:13
  I mean retarded, you get... Oh, my.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: This is a visual representation, obviously not an actual picture.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: So there was a story that– what is the guy's
• 43:24
  name that was on Jesse Michaels' podcast recently? Tim– I
• 43:28
  don't remember. I'll check. So supposedly there was a giant
• 43:36
  that engaged U.S. troops in Kandahar, Afghanistan, and in a
• 43:42
  very remote area. And this guy was shot and killed.
• 43:46
  And medevaced out of there or helicoptered out of there.
• 43:50
  And they're a 12-foot giant. Tim Alberino.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: And he was– was he telling this story as if
• 43:56
  he was there or he heard this?
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: There's never a guy who was there. Damn it. There's
• 44:02
  apparently one guy who has his face covered up in
• 44:05
  one of these videos that I watched. It's like one
• 44:07
  of the blurry– like a witness to a mob scene. Yep.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: That's how you know they're legit.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I think the same way. That's why I sent it
• 44:16
  to all my friends. But he was telling the story
• 44:19
  from people that he talked to that were there.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: See, and here's the thing. I want stories like that
• 44:24
  to be true.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: I still am just waiting. Same thing with aliens. God,
• 44:28
  I so deeply want it to be true. I just
• 44:30
  need somebody to hold up an actual piece of evidence
• 44:34
  and say this is what I'm talking about. Instead of
• 44:37
  I saw– I know somebody who was read into. I
• 44:41
  had a buddy who got engaged by a giant or
• 44:44
  they– like, OK.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Where is it? Right.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: And until then, I got a real hard time believing that.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm with you. But I also want to believe,
• 44:53
  which I know clouds my vision.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I just think it makes you hopeful.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: It gets me to a certain point and then the–
• 45:00
  like there's a point where my logic kicks in and
• 45:03
  I'm not willing to go any further and that's Bigfoot.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: With Bigfoot, I'm like– I know too many guys that
• 45:10
  are in the woods all the time.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: And let's not forget the game cameras they often leave behind.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Like millions of game cameras.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: At this point, like I could have bought it in
• 45:19
  the 1960s. Like maybe. Who knows? Before drones, before satellites,
• 45:24
  before this, before that. And, you know, there's good arguments
• 45:28
  that you wouldn't find the body because like you and
• 45:31
  I have hunted in the mountains many, many times. I've
• 45:34
  never seen a mountain lion skeleton. Have you? No. No. No.
• 45:39
  I don't know anybody who has. I've seen mountain lions.
• 45:41
  I've never seen a mountain lion skeleton. I've never seen
• 45:43
  a bear skeleton. I'm sure people have found them. Yeah.
• 45:46
  But I haven't. And we know there's a shit ton
• 45:49
  of mountain lions and a shit ton of bears. So
• 45:51
  if there was a very small population of primates, it's
• 45:54
  not inconceivable that you wouldn't find their body, especially if
• 45:59
  they were in some way advanced to the point where
• 46:02
  they were burying their dead, which is, you know, it's
• 46:05
  not outside the realm of possibility if they have a
• 46:07
  language of like, Who knows what these things are? But no,
• 46:12
  I just, that doesn't, I think it used to be real.
• 46:14
  And I think there's real evidence of that.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I want it to be.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: No, there's real evidence. There's a thing called Gigantopithecus. It
• 46:21
  was a eight foot plus tall bipedal hominid that existed
• 46:26
  in Asia. And it's in the orangutan family. And there's
• 46:29
  like recreations of what it looks like standing next to
• 46:32
  a human. It's huge. But that just makes sense. I mean,
• 46:34
  there used to be giant woolly mammoths. There used to
• 46:37
  be giant sloths. The idea of a giant primate is
• 46:41
  not inconceivable. It's like size is all relative anyway. Our
• 46:45
  idea of what's big compared to a fucking giraffe or this,
• 46:48
  it's all– it doesn't– if you have enough resources and
• 46:52
  there's enough food for these things, they live in a
• 46:54
  lush tropical environment or a lush wilderness environment. It's not
• 46:58
  impossible to think that something would get way bigger than
• 47:00
  a gorilla. But for that thing to exist today– Oh, God. Yeah,
• 47:05
  that's what it used to look like. So I think
• 47:08
  that is probably what all these ancient myths are based on.
• 47:15
  That's probably what used to exist. So it was bipedal,
• 47:18
  which is also interesting. And that's based on its jaw structure.
• 47:23
  Here's a question for you, the species burying themselves. These
• 47:26
  are intrusive thoughts that I have and can't get out
• 47:27
  of my head. Why don't we bury people vertically to
• 47:31
  save space? That's a good question.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you get more square footage?
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: A lot more.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: It would be harder to make a six-foot tall hole
• 47:38
  or for a tall person.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: I feel like they make oil drills that could– I
• 47:42
  mean I'm not saying.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: That would look– They do now.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: But back in the day, it would be easy to–
• 47:45
  if someone is laid down, just roll them over into
• 47:47
  the hole. I mean– Because a six-foot deep hole that's
• 47:51
  like six feet long.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Joe, I'm not saying it's easy. I'm just saying– In today's.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: World, yeah. I think we can evolve. Well, here's even weirder.
• 48:00
  You have to embalm people before you cremate them. Why? Exactly.
• 48:07
  My friend Joey Diaz says it's a racket because he
• 48:10
  knew a guy who ran a funeral home.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: The big embalming market?
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Well, it's all a racket. The whole funeral home thing
• 48:15
  is a racket. They know– look, your family member dies.
• 48:18
  You have to bury your family member. You're in grief
• 48:20
  and then they try to sell you on some fucking
• 48:22
  fancy coffin. They sell you on this and sell you
• 48:24
  on that. But the embalming is– it's mandatory.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I did not know that.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: At least for some places. Because I know that some
• 48:32
  people are trying to do what they call natural burials.
• 48:35
  I don't know what the regulations are on– like let's
• 48:38
  find that out.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: There are upright– they call it upright burials.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: It is a thing. They do exist.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: In the US though or is this some like Nordic country?
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: There's a cemetery that does it already. I was trying
• 48:48
  to look up more information on it.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Probably a bunch of cheapies who don't want– One already
• 48:52
  that I can give them space.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about like most of them have fences.
• 48:55
  So like maximum square footage utilization.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Right. That makes sense. Yeah.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: The gravity is an issue a little bit. keeping it
• 49:01
  in the... I don't know.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Gravity's an issue.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Gravity's not going to be an issue. First off, once
• 49:05
  you're in that coffin, nothing good's happening. Right. Vertically, her horse.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense. What kind of gravity is he...
• 49:12
  Just drop them in the hole?
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I think the family.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Like it'd be like this. Like slide it down that hole.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: I think they're saying the family doesn't like the idea
• 49:20
  that they're going to be compressed into a small amount
• 49:22
  in the bottom of the coffin.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: It's not like a science issue, I think.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Well, they're fucking dead. You know the most gnarly way
• 49:29
  they bury people or the most gnarly funeral.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Well, they're still alive?
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: No. Well, they're dead.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying that would be the most gnarly.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Right. The most gnarly postmortem. Is the Tibetan sky funeral.
• 49:39
  Do you know how they do that?
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: No.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Vultures. They literally break the body up, chop it up
• 49:47
  into chunks, and the vultures know it. And so they prepare.
• 49:50
  So the vultures are all hanging around waiting. Wow. It
• 49:53
  is a tradition in Tibet with at least certain people
• 49:57
  to get rid of their bodies that way. And the
• 49:59
  idea is that, look, the person's dead. This is a
• 50:02
  more natural way. And they'll cycle back into the ecosystem
• 50:07
  the way it's supposed to be with all animals. We're
• 50:10
  the only animal that opts out of rejoining with all
• 50:16
  biological life. Because it's supposed to be a biological body
• 50:21
  deteriorates underground that feeds the soil, that feeds whatever animals
• 50:27
  feast on its bones, and then becomes all part of
• 50:30
  this big, beautiful cycle. And we're like, meh. We've got
• 50:33
  some chemicals laying around we'd like to fill the veins
• 50:36
  up with to make them completely poison so that they
• 50:39
  never deteriorate or they just slowly turn into gelatinous sludge.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: By state, it looks like.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: OK. So it says burial– why is that word weird
• 50:51
  to me right now? Burial is regulated by state by state, city,
• 50:55
  county zoning. There's no federal rule that specifies body position,
• 50:59
  horizontal versus vertical. OK. What are the laws in terms
• 51:04
  of embalming? Green or natural burial. Simple shroud, no vault,
• 51:10
  minimal disturbance is legal in all 50 states, but only
• 51:13
  in locations that comply with state and local rules. Green
• 51:18
  or natural burial.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: Distance from water sources would be a big reason for that.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, interesting. So you don't want people to rot. But
• 51:24
  what about cows? Cows can rot. A dead coyote just rots.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: We don't want to eat people.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Or drink them either. I guess. I was watching this
• 51:39
  documentary about this family where the kid, his dad was
• 51:43
  a serial killer. The dad would throw people in a
• 51:45
  well and he had to help him when he was young.
• 51:48
  His dad would kill people and then throw them down
• 51:52
  the well. First time he did it, he said, I
• 51:54
  think he was a young boy when his dad first
• 51:56
  took him to get rid of a body and throw
• 51:58
  it down a well.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Not all Yeah, how many people– Bonding experiences are created equal.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: How many people have died drinking well water that was
• 52:07
  polluted by a dead body?
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Hopefully not that many.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Would you find, Jamie?
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: No, I'm just– that's disgusting.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Have you thought through your end of life? Do you
• 52:16
  have– have you told people– I would like to.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Not be embalmed. I would like to just be buried
• 52:20
  in the ground and be absorbed naturally like everything else.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Do you have that written down anywhere though?
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: No.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I don't care. Once I'm gone, figure it out. I
• 52:28
  don't give a fuck.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Well, there's an argument to help figuring it out for
• 52:31
  those left behind so it makes it easier.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I don't want to make things easier. When I'm gone,
• 52:35
  I want it to be complicated as fuck. I want
• 52:39
  them to be arguing over my will.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I only ask because we had to think through
• 52:44
  this stuff because you do a review of your will
• 52:47
  every time.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: And final requests, I guess it would be. So you
• 52:51
  had to think through that stuff.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Jamie, stop scrolling. Yeah, I was. So for direct cremation,
• 52:55
  no public viewing, cremation within a few days, body kept refrigerated,
• 52:58
  embalming is generally unnecessary and not legally required in most states.
• 53:04
  But the thing is it's– most of the time it's
• 53:07
  done according to my friend Joey whose friend– at least
• 53:12
  it was in the past. His friend ran a funeral home.
• 53:15
  The guy was telling him what a fucking scam it
• 53:17
  all is. You're just charging people for all this stuff.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Probably just like anything else.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Here it is. Many funeral homes require embalming for presentation
• 53:26
  and public health reasons. If you want a public viewing
• 53:29
  or an open casket before cremation. Oh, who does that?
• 53:36
  Some jurisdictions or airlines may require embalming for long distance
• 53:41
  or international transport. Or if there's a long delay before cremation. Well,
• 53:45
  that makes sense. Because if you don't embalm it, you're
• 53:48
  going to stink up the whole fucking plane. U.S. law–
• 53:51
  I mean I'm sure you've smelled dead bodies before. But
• 53:53
  the first time I ever smelled a dead body, I
• 53:55
  was a little kid and someone died in our apartment building.
• 53:58
  It was crazy. You'd walk down the hallway and the
• 54:03
  fucking smell. It was me and my cousins and my sister.
• 54:07
  We were walking down the hallway. We were like, what
• 54:09
  is that? We were probably like six. It was this
• 54:12
  insane smell. And it turned out this lady who was
• 54:16
  just living by herself died. So she was just rotting
• 54:19
  in this apartment building.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: You think you still recognize it to this day? It's
• 54:23
  very unique.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Is it? Humans have a very unique smell as opposed
• 54:26
  to a regular animal?
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Well, the mechanism of death can change, I guess, a
• 54:31
  little bit. Sure. But in general, yeah. A couple days later,
• 54:35
  they all kind of smell the same.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: I've heard humans are uniquely gross in the way we smell. Yeah.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not awesome. Yeah. Not awesome to be around him.
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  slash J-R-E. That's BetterHelp.com slash J-R-E. So this embalming thing,
• 56:11
  so is that not the case? Is it where funeral
• 56:15
  homes request embalming before they cremate you? Also, here's another scam,
• 56:22
  according to my friend. When you think you get your
• 56:26
  family member ashes, you get a bunch of shit. You
• 56:31
  get a bunch of ashes. You get ashes from some
• 56:33
  fucking guy you don't even know. They don't care. They
• 56:36
  just shove a bunch of ashes into an urn. You're like,
• 56:38
  it's grandma. She's here with us forever. But it's not really.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: I hope that one's not true. That's gnarly.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: It's like the epitome of laziness.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's true.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: Most of the time, yes, the requirement to embalm before
• 56:57
  viewing or before cremation is coming from funeral homes or
• 57:00
  cemetery policy.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Right. So they're trying to make more money. So this
• 57:03
  is what Joey was telling me about. Yeah. So it's
• 57:07
  not a federal requirement. FTC says... Embalming may be necessary
• 57:11
  if you choose certain arrangements like a public viewing. But
• 57:14
  the necessity is based on the funeral home standards, not
• 57:18
  a blanket legal mandate. So most people probably don't know that.
• 57:22
  So the funeral home will tell you, oh, we have
• 57:24
  to embalm them first.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: And you're in a pretty susceptible and malleable mind space.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: At that time, yeah.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: And they're just really used to it. They're really used
• 57:32
  to it. They must get so accustomed to just– They
• 57:37
  don't give a fuck. There's bodies there every day. People
• 57:41
  are always dying. It's an opportunity to make more money,
• 57:44
  which is rough.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You would like to think that humanity wouldn't be
• 57:47
  like that. But yet here we are.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Find out if– well, the other thing is like–
• 57:54
  you remember that Sam Kinison bit? I don't know if
• 57:56
  you ever saw it.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: I know who Sam Kinison is. I'm not very familiar
• 57:59
  with his bits.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: One of the greatest of all time. But he had
• 58:02
  this bit about homosexual necrophiliacs who were caught spending– paying
• 58:07
  a bunch of money to be alone with the freshest
• 58:10
  male corpse. What? And it was an actual true story
• 58:15
  that he read in the news. But his whole thing
• 58:18
  was like, imagine you're on the slab. You're like, well,
• 58:20
  I'm dead now. I'm going to be with Jesus.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: And hey, hey, what?
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: And he would be like rocking back and forth on
• 58:26
  his stomach.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: What is this?
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: It feels like some guy's got his dick in my ass.
• 58:30
  You mean life keeps fucking you in the ass.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Even after you're dead? It never ends. It never ends. Oh, oh.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: You comedians are a unique bunch. Let's, you know.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Someone's got to do it.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: I'm glad there's somebody out there who can weave a
• 58:44
  story like that together and have a meaningful message at.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: The end of it. But there have been cases of
• 58:50
  people getting like hot girls that are freshly dead and
• 58:54
  fucking them and getting caught.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because humans are horrible. Disgusting. I try to tell
• 58:59
  myself that the vast majority of humans are trying to
• 59:03
  do the best that they can. But I never forget
• 59:05
  that there are people out there who are like that.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah, there's people out there that are gross. They're
• 59:10
  just evil. I was reading about this guy who is
• 59:13
  an oncologist who got arrested because he was giving people
• 59:15
  chemotherapy that didn't really have cancer. Because chemotherapy is uniquely
• 59:20
  profitable for doctors. Yeah, it's very profitable. So he was
• 59:25
  telling people that they had cancer and they did not.
• 59:28
  and he was giving them chemotherapy, which I have a
• 59:31
  friend who died recently, and he went through the first
• 59:35
  round of chemotherapy, went into remission, and the chemotherapy was
• 59:40
  so bad that when the cancer came back, he decided
• 59:42
  to just die.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: That's how my mom died. She had survived cervical cancer.
• 59:48
  It metastasized into her lungs 10 years later, got on
• 59:52
  the chemo, which I don't know what is in that stuff,
• 59:54
  but the platinum treatment, whatever it may be, And had
• 59:59
  the realization that she was either going to die from
• 1:00:01
  cancer or she was going to die from the chemotherapy.
• 1:00:03
  And she chose hospice just because the ride on the
• 1:00:06
  chemotherapy was so horrible that she couldn't take it anymore.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: My friend said that the pain of brushing his teeth
• 1:00:14
  was so intense, like the sores in his mouth from
• 1:00:18
  the chemo. And then once cancer went into remission, then
• 1:00:23
  it came back. And by the way, this cancer came
• 1:00:26
  very quickly after vaccination. It was one of those. where
• 1:00:31
  you can get into that all day long if you
• 1:00:33
  want to really get into a deep conspiracy theory that's
• 1:00:35
  got some real facts to it. But there's something called SV40,
• 1:00:38
  and they found SV40 in some of the mRNA vaccines.
• 1:00:42
  SV40 is simian virus 40, and it's a virus that
• 1:00:47
  was contracted that people got because they used kidney cells
• 1:00:54
  from monkeys in order to cultivate these vaccines. This is, like,
• 1:01:00
  known about for a long time. And in certain batches,
• 1:01:04
  they've tested positive for SV40, which is, like, some just
• 1:01:08
  legacy material that they have that they make vaccines out of.
• 1:01:13
  And he was one of the lucky ones.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Sucks, man.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a young dude. You know, he was
• 1:01:20
  in his 40s, early 40s. Fit, young guy. Cancer came
• 1:01:25
  on like a fucking tidal wave.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Just a freight train mowed him down? How much time
• 1:01:28
  did he have between diagnosis and death?
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Well, I got him connected with Gary Brekka. And Gary
• 1:01:34
  Brekka helped him quite a bit. And that's how he
• 1:01:38
  originally got through it. And it got over it. He
• 1:01:42
  was okay again. And, you know, it went into remission.
• 1:01:46
  He said he's feeling pretty good. And then, man, it
• 1:01:48
  wasn't more than a year and a half, two years later,
• 1:01:51
  it came back with a vengeance. And, um, he was
• 1:01:56
  dead just six, six months later.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Does it change how you view life, your own life
• 1:02:02
  when that happens close to you?
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: It's just shocking that healthy fit people get something like that. So,
• 1:02:10
  and it happens so quickly, you know, this is, you know,
• 1:02:14
  like I said, my suspicions is it's connected to the
• 1:02:16
  vaccine and, uh, I don't think that everybody who got
• 1:02:21
  that mRNA vaccine is going to die of cancer. I
• 1:02:24
  think it's a contamination issue that some of the batches
• 1:02:29
  had it and some of the batches didn't. But, and
• 1:02:31
  then some people react very differently to whatever, whatever's in it.
• 1:02:35
  But with him, man, it got him. And it's not uncommon. There's,
• 1:02:40
  there's a shitload of ignored cases of what they're calling
• 1:02:44
  turbo cancer that people have gotten after the mRNA vaccine.
• 1:02:48
  Like it's, It's barely a conspiracy theory. It's more likely
• 1:02:53
  an ignored, inconvenient fact that these pharmaceutical drug companies are
• 1:02:58
  trying to ignore.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Do you think they were going upstream from that, the
• 1:03:04
  pharmaceutical companies or people that were pushing to try to
• 1:03:06
  find what perhaps they thought would be the fix to
• 1:03:08
  the solution? Do you think that they were doing the
• 1:03:11
  best that they could and just their enthusiasm outstripped their
• 1:03:15
  capabilities or they pushed stuff a little bit too early
• 1:03:17
  or Was it as deep of a conspiracy that people
• 1:03:20
  think and that behind the scenes they're trying to reduce
• 1:03:22
  overall global population?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: I don't go that way. I don't go to the
• 1:03:26
  reduce overall global population. But I do understand why people
• 1:03:29
  would think that because there are– there have been a
• 1:03:31
  bunch of people that are supposedly philanthropists, Bill Gates, that
• 1:03:36
  have talked about. Reducing overall population being a goal and
• 1:03:40
  that goal could be– like Bill Gates was actually quoted
• 1:03:42
  saying that. That goal could be achieved through vaccines. Like
• 1:03:46
  what the fuck does that mean? Reducing global population through vaccines? How? Well,
• 1:03:53
  one way is the– what is it? DDP or DTP vaccine?
• 1:03:59
  Diphtheria something and percussus. So they were caught in Africa–
• 1:04:06
  One of the vaccines that they were using on women
• 1:04:10
  in Africa turned out– it's tetanus, right? Diphtheria, tetanus and
• 1:04:17
  percussus had HCG in it, which is an endocrine disruptor.
• 1:04:24
  I don't know what's the exact specific description of it.
• 1:04:27
  But what it was essentially doing was rendering these women infertile.
• 1:04:32
  And so they were supposedly– vaccinating them for tetanus and
• 1:04:37
  these other diseases. But really what it was doing was
• 1:04:40
  they were making these women infertile and they were experimenting
• 1:04:44
  on them and they were doing this in Africa. They
• 1:04:48
  like to experiment in places where not a lot of
• 1:04:51
  people are watching and there's not a lot of infrastructure
• 1:04:55
  and not a lot of internet connection and they can
• 1:04:59
  get away with trying stuff on people. So this concept
• 1:05:02
  of reducing populations, through vaccination. There's some real-world examples of
• 1:05:08
  people doing that. But, you know, why? I don't know.
• 1:05:11
  I don't think that... I think if you find out
• 1:05:14
  about how much money was generated during the vaccine pandemic,
• 1:05:18
  during the COVID pandemic, that is the most likely scenario.
• 1:05:22
  They were just trying to make an enormous amount of money.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Do you remember that you and I did the first
• 1:05:27
  podcast after the lockdown.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: In L.A.? Yeah.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: And then I drove... I drove with my wife down
• 1:05:34
  to San Diego and I don't think she had been
• 1:05:36
  because we got to San Diego in about 17 minutes.
• 1:05:38
  There's no one on the road. And I remember saying
• 1:05:42
  to her, if we come back, which we will, don't
• 1:05:46
  expect this. It was like a ghost town. But we
• 1:05:48
  were in L.A. the day that it locked down. I
• 1:05:50
  remember texting her like, are we good? You're like, yeah,
• 1:05:54
  YouTube says we're essential.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Let's roll. We're essential. That was what was crazy. There
• 1:06:00
  was essential businesses that were allowed to stay open. Restaurants
• 1:06:03
  weren't one of them, fucking insanely enough. But fast food
• 1:06:07
  places were. So there were certain places that were essential
• 1:06:10
  and media was essential. So we were allowed to. Although
• 1:06:13
  we did get ratted out. The health department came to
• 1:06:16
  our L.A. studio. And they made us put a bag
• 1:06:20
  of masks on the wall when you go in and
• 1:06:23
  also a note that shows like all the precautions that
• 1:06:26
  you have to take place, like stand six feet apart.
• 1:06:28
  And then people are also complaining that this table is
• 1:06:30
  not six feet wide. And so we weren't observing the
• 1:06:33
  proper social distancing. So I said, okay, well, why don't
• 1:06:37
  we just do this and you do that and we'll
• 1:06:39
  do a podcast. Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: We're six feet.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: Now we're six feet. Now we're good. And then it
• 1:06:45
  turns out that that was all made up. It was
• 1:06:47
  all horse shit. It's the Who song. We won't get
• 1:06:50
  fooled again.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: I want to believe that they were trying to do
• 1:06:54
  the best that they can.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: I said I want to believe.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even want to believe that.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: But then what do we do about it?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: We never listen again.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: What if they're right the next time is the issue?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think they will be. I don't think they're
• 1:07:07
  ever right with that kind of stuff, especially something that's
• 1:07:09
  not killing everybody as they said it was. They were
• 1:07:12
  just gaslighting us all over television. The people were dropping
• 1:07:15
  like flies. And especially egregiously disgusting is gaslighting us about
• 1:07:21
  children dying from it. And there's a lot of really
• 1:07:25
  fucking shitty human beings that were posting about this on Twitter.
• 1:07:30
  And I don't know if they're being paid to do
• 1:07:32
  it or if they're just ideologically captured. But there was
• 1:07:36
  a lot of people on Twitter talking about children dying
• 1:07:39
  from COVID. It's a fucking dirty lie. There was a
• 1:07:42
  very small amount of kids that died during the pandemic.
• 1:07:47
  And those kids, all of them had something wrong with
• 1:07:51
  them already. All of them had comorbidities, which is like
• 1:07:55
  also a giant percentage of all the people that died, period.
• 1:07:59
  It's like what is the number? It's like 75 percent
• 1:08:02
  of them, something like that, had four plus comorbidities died.
• 1:08:06
  Four comorbidities is crazy. It's like you're already fucked. That
• 1:08:09
  means four things that are already killing you, you know? Yeah.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: Do you think we learned anything during that time period?
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think we learned that the pharmaceutical drug company
• 1:08:20
  has a lock on the media that is very disturbing.
• 1:08:24
  Like the media did not report at all vaccine injuries.
• 1:08:28
  They didn't report on it at all. It was never discussed.
• 1:08:31
  People were dropping dead. They were ignoring it and gaslighting.
• 1:08:34
  And then we also found out the amount of money
• 1:08:38
  that these pharmaceutical drug companies pay to these corporations, whether
• 1:08:43
  it's Fox or NBC or CBS or whoever it is,
• 1:08:46
  in advertising. It's a huge part of their budget is
• 1:08:49
  advertising money. And the way Cali Means explained it to me,
• 1:08:54
  he goes, it's not so that people find out about
• 1:08:57
  the drugs. It's so that these news stations don't criticize
• 1:09:02
  the pharmaceutical drug companies.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Well, if they control the ad inventory and then the
• 1:09:06
  checkbook behind that.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah. Exactly.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Do you ever do pharmaceutical type reads for your show?
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: No. No, I say no to them.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: I only say yes to dick pills.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Yes. Dickfells I'll say yes to.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Be like, listen, get hard, stay hard.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm down with that. Well, see, I'm not anti-pharmaceutical
• 1:09:25
  drug company, but I am– the problem with corporations is
• 1:09:29
  they have an obligation to their shareholders to make the
• 1:09:32
  most amount of money possible. And it's not the people
• 1:09:34
  that are making these things. The people that are making them,
• 1:09:36
  these doctors and engineers and scientists, all these wizards that
• 1:09:40
  are coming up with all these lifesaving medications, then you
• 1:09:44
  get the money people. And the money people are the
• 1:09:46
  ones that fuck everything up because the money people say,
• 1:09:48
  you know what? We could charge $ 1, 000 a pill for
• 1:09:51
  this stuff. There are certain medications that literally cost $ 1, 000
• 1:09:55
  a pill. And they just try to make the most
• 1:10:00
  amount of money possible and prescribe it to the most
• 1:10:02
  amount of people possible. And then you get monsters like
• 1:10:05
  this cancer doctor that I was telling you that was
• 1:10:07
  giving chemotherapy to people that don't fucking have cancer.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: So how do we break that system though?
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Hammers. Take that guy in a room. Take that guy
• 1:10:15
  in a room. Just keep him alive. Slowly break him
• 1:10:18
  down with a hammer. Start with his toes. But I
• 1:10:21
  feel like it's deeply entrenched. Work your way up to
• 1:10:22
  his hips.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's so deeply entrenched in our political
• 1:10:28
  system as part of it as well too. That the
• 1:10:30
  money transfer. How do you break that?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: It's hard.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: And detach that?
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: AI God. AI God has to come alive. Take over
• 1:10:37
  the system.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: Now we're really getting into terrain I don't understand. I
• 1:10:41
  know what the word AI means. I don't know where
• 1:10:43
  we're going.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: AI God.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: The one that created that Jesus meme that Trump just posted?
• 1:10:47
  That's AI God.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Joe, I told you he explained it. He was a doctor.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: That's what they call them. That's what AI God calls Jesus.
• 1:10:55
  Jesus is a doctor.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: The mental gymnastics involved in some of these people who
• 1:11:01
  are so ideologically captured is shocking to me.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: It's weird. It's weird because- There's no way there should
• 1:11:09
  be this kind of money in politics. There's no way
• 1:11:10
  it would be good for anybody if the people with
• 1:11:12
  all the money are controlling most of the things that happen.
• 1:11:15
  It doesn't make any sense because they're all sick anyway.
• 1:11:18
  They just want more. If you're worth $ 200 billion and
• 1:11:21
  you're still trying to make more money, that's what you're
• 1:11:23
  trying to do with your time, well, you're sick. There's
• 1:11:25
  something wrong with you. There's like– what are you doing
• 1:11:27
  with that money? How is it possible that you could
• 1:11:29
  spend all that money?
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Isn't the answer for some people or the dollar figure
• 1:11:33
  that they're shooting for just more though?
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Always. Always. My friend– oh, you know Brian Callen. Brian
• 1:11:37
  Callen has a friend who's worth $ 3 billion and he
• 1:11:41
  feels poor because his friend is worth $ 80 billion. Imagine that.
• 1:11:48
  Imagine feeling insecure.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: You have $ 3, 000 million and you feel insecure.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: You feel poor.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Because he's eating ramen at night. Let me just tell you.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it bothers him.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, mac and cheese and ramen out of the microwave.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: I feel poor when I'm around Elon. Yeah, but– Jokingly.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: But also everybody on earth probably does.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: But it's jokingly feel poor. Like I don't really feel
• 1:12:10
  bad for myself or insecure about the fact that he's
• 1:12:13
  got a– what has he got?
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: He's getting close to a trillion.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: He's like worth $ 800 billion on paper.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Until California taxes get a hold of him. They'd like
• 1:12:23
  to suck all that dry and give it to the
• 1:12:24
  homeless people.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Well, they're doing good. Their program would work if we
• 1:12:28
  gave them a little bit more money.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: That's all they need. They just need that wealth tax.
• 1:12:31
  If they could just siphon off some money from the billionaires.
• 1:12:34
  That's the real problem is they don't have enough money.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Are you glad you left?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: You've been here what?
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Six years. Six years? Yeah, almost six years.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: You've been in Montana from nine.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: I can't think of a reason that I'm going to leave.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: I really can't. It is amazing.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Well, Montana's got so much going on for it. First
• 1:12:52
  of all, there's less people, which is relaxing.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: 1.1 million people in the state.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: That's all of Austin.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: That's probably a subdivision in Austin.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Well, it's Austin is a million, and then the surrounding
• 1:13:04
  area is another million.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: We just had a net decrease in population in Montana
• 1:13:09
  last year.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because all those fucking people that came over because
• 1:13:12
  of Yellowstone, they went through a couple of winters.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: And COVID. They're like, yeah, this sucks.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: We're out.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Or that remote work job is like, hey, time to
• 1:13:19
  come back to the old office.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Also, you try driving an electric car when it's fucking
• 1:13:24
  30 below zero outside. That bitch is, oh, it says
• 1:13:27
  you got 200 miles. Guess what? You got 30.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: There is one cyber truck where I live. It's not mine.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: I bet it's a rich guy.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: He owns a Thai food restaurant.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: Which, I mean, I don't know what level of wealth
• 1:13:42
  is associated with it.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Probably got some money. Yeah.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: Honestly, it might be money laundering is what he specializes in.
• 1:13:46
  It's hard to say. Might have a nail salon or
• 1:13:49
  two under his umbrella as well.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: They're great when it's warm out. Yeah. But the battery
• 1:13:53
  life significantly– do you remember– I think it was Chicago
• 1:13:57
  or Detroit. There was a few years back there was
• 1:13:59
  a giant blizzard that hit and people with electric cars,
• 1:14:03
  their cars died on the highway. And they were really fucked.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: I do remember this.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Really fucked because– look, if you have a full
• 1:14:10
  tank of gas and you're idling, just idling on the
• 1:14:13
  highway– It can last a pretty long time, especially if
• 1:14:16
  it's diesel.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: Jeez.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, you'll get 24 hours out of it.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: 100%. Yeah. So you'll survive. If you have a fucking
• 1:14:23
  electric car and you get stuck on the highway and
• 1:14:25
  it's just bumper to bumper forever and that thing is
• 1:14:28
  the only thing keeping you warm, you better pray that
• 1:14:31
  someone lets you in their car.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Because you're going to die out there. You'll freeze to
• 1:14:36
  death in your own fucking car.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: I like the concept of them.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: I drove one today. It's a time machine. I have
• 1:14:42
  a Tesla Model S.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: Don't you have like a highly modified one?
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: I was going to say it might say Model S
• 1:14:50
  on the outside.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: Well, the speed is the same as the standard one.
• 1:14:54
  The speed is exactly the same because they don't do
• 1:14:56
  anything to the engine because it already has 1,100 horsepower.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: Do they like widen yours?
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: Yes. The track is widened. It's got a much more
• 1:15:05
  robust suspension setup. It's got carbon fiber fenders. It's a
• 1:15:08
  company called Unplug Performance. And they take it and it
• 1:15:11
  just handles phenomenally. And the brakes are way better. So
• 1:15:16
  it does that. But the thing about it is the
• 1:15:18
  speed that's just insane. Like when you merge onto a highway,
• 1:15:22
  it's a time machine. You just hit the gas like–
• 1:15:25
  and it's no sound. So it's– and all of a
• 1:15:29
  sudden you're going 90 miles an hour like that. It's nuts.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: We're into different things, Joe. I'm going to stick with
• 1:15:34
  my F-150.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: I like those too. I have one of those. I
• 1:15:37
  have a Raptor. I have a Hennessy Raptor.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: I don't have that model.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I like a Raptor, but I like one with
• 1:15:45
  a thousand horsepower.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: First off, who doesn't? I just don't like the price
• 1:15:51
  tag associated with the thousand horsepower one.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: It is a little pricey. Yeah. But I was on
• 1:15:55
  the phone the other day because, you know, it's got
• 1:15:56
  the speakerphone thing. So I'm on the phone with my
• 1:15:58
  friend Tommy and I'm driving. He goes, yo, what the
• 1:16:01
  fuck are you driving?
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: A dinosaur.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: You could hear the and the supercharger whine. It's awesome.
• 1:16:09
  But I get it. It's not for everybody. But if
• 1:16:13
  you drive one, just the ability of those things, just
• 1:16:16
  the insane capability, the ability to go zero to 60
• 1:16:21
  in under two seconds is just nuts for a four-door sedan.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: You know how to drive, though? Yeah. Some people probably
• 1:16:29
  are better off not getting into a car that can
• 1:16:31
  do that.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what's weird, right? So, like, if you want– like,
• 1:16:35
  say if you want to get a concealed carry license–
• 1:16:38
  You have to go to a range and you have
• 1:16:40
  to demonstrate that you know how to use a gun correctly.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: Are you talking about here in Texas?
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in Texas.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: Because Montana is a constitutional carry state.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a constitutional carry here as well, but still
• 1:16:50
  concealed carry, you get reciprocity. So if you have concealed carry,
• 1:16:54
  you get reciprocity in Florida, Nevada. So if you get
• 1:16:57
  a concealed carry license in Texas, you can go to
• 1:16:59
  places where. Maybe they don't even have concealed– they don't
• 1:17:03
  have constitutional carry, but they recognize Texas concealed carry laws.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: Because of the additional training per se?
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. But the point is like you have to
• 1:17:12
  show that you know how to use it. You can
• 1:17:14
  go buy a Corvette and you don't have to show anything,
• 1:17:19
  which is crazy.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: Well, you have to show a likelihood that you're able
• 1:17:23
  to pay for it.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. Yeah. So you can get like
• 1:17:26
  a Corvette ZR1, which is also 1,100 horsepower. And fucking bonkers,
• 1:17:32
  a bonkers fast, insanely engineered car. You don't have to
• 1:17:35
  show that you know how to drive at all. You
• 1:17:37
  just have to have a driver's license so you can
• 1:17:39
  drive around.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Right into the nearest telephone pole.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Sideways. I mean, there's plenty of videos of that. My
• 1:17:47
  friend Whitney sent me a video of a street takeover
• 1:17:49
  in Los Angeles this Saturday night where they took over
• 1:17:53
  some street and gunshots and people just, they stopped. They
• 1:17:57
  cut off the entire street so no one can go anywhere.
• 1:18:00
  People surround these cars and the cars drive around in circles.
• 1:18:04
  And then someone started shooting at people.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Awesome. What a classic pairing.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Good times. It's good to have rules. Yeah.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not doing that in Montana.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. You have to have an enormous amount of
• 1:18:17
  people in order for things to get that chaotic with
• 1:18:20
  a very small percentage of humans.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: Were there cops there for that or they just didn't
• 1:18:24
  want to get in the mix?
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: They didn't show up until after. You know, the cops
• 1:18:29
  showed up when, you know, people start shooting.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's generally when they're going to respond.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: And they're getting security cameras. But the thing is, Los Angeles,
• 1:18:37
  they don't fucking put you in jail for anything. They
• 1:18:40
  let you right out. There's no cash bail. They're letting
• 1:18:42
  people out for all kinds of crimes.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: I was listening to a podcast where a guy was
• 1:18:46
  a former gang member and he was saying he's leaving
• 1:18:49
  Los Angeles permanently. because they're letting 70,000 people out of prison.
• 1:18:54
  It's like it's going to get too dangerous.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: So it was too dangerous for the gang member. There's
• 1:18:58
  the answers to some tests right there. Maybe pay attention.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to wonder, like, what are they trying
• 1:19:04
  to do with California where everything seems to go in
• 1:19:07
  the wrong direction? Like, if you look at the vaccine thing, like,
• 1:19:10
  do you think they're really trying to lower population? Is
• 1:19:13
  that what they're trying to do? Like, kill off a percent?
• 1:19:16
  What are they trying to do with California? Are they
• 1:19:18
  really trying to destroy the state? Because if I was
• 1:19:20
  trying to destroy a state, that's how I would do it.
• 1:19:23
  I'd let everybody out of jail. I'd regulate the fuck
• 1:19:26
  out of everything so nothing can get done. You know,
• 1:19:29
  you can't buy these in California. Why? These are Alps
• 1:19:34
  because they're flavored. This is wintergreen. Shout out to Tucker Carlson.
• 1:19:38
  This is his brand. I like these. These are very delicious.
• 1:19:41
  By the way, I showed these to Daniel Cormier. He goes,
• 1:19:44
  where'd you get those? And I go, in Texas, you
• 1:19:47
  could buy them. He goes, you know you can't buy
• 1:19:48
  them in California. And he goes, I get them and
• 1:19:51
  I bring them around all these dads. They're like, I'm
• 1:19:53
  a dealer. They're like, where'd you get that? Because they
• 1:19:55
  won't let you have flavored nicotine pouches. It's illegal in California.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: It's for your safety.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: They're trying to turn you into just a little baby
• 1:20:05
  that needs everything from the government. Everything. Everything.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: We were at that launch party. Somehow I got an
• 1:20:11
  invitation to be there. So we go to Tennessee. Tucker
• 1:20:15
  stands on a chair and talks about ALP.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: Stood on a chair?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was just like it was in Dave
• 1:20:19
  Ramsey's barn. And again, like I'm so far not in
• 1:20:22
  the social circle of this. I think he.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: Should have sat on someone's shoulders. That would be even better.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: He's pretty big. So you needed somebody who like has
• 1:20:31
  squatted once or twice in their life. So we listened
• 1:20:33
  to him talk and they had a little, like on
• 1:20:35
  the other room is a huge fireplace was just this,
• 1:20:38
  like a charcuterie table about this size. So I'm getting
• 1:20:42
  some cheese. And then I turn around, I'm like, hello,
• 1:20:45
  Mel Gibson. And I just fucking went and sat in
• 1:20:46
  the corner. I was so uncomfortable in that environment.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: Cause Mel was there.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: Mel, there was a lot of people there. I just,
• 1:20:53
  you know, you've sat down and talk with him. You,
• 1:20:55
  you exist in a different orbit that I do. I
• 1:20:57
  exist in an orbit of 1.1 million total people that
• 1:21:00
  I don't see every day in the state, in the state.
• 1:21:02
  So like I interact with the people I want to,
• 1:21:04
  I was not prepared to have a cheese stick and
• 1:21:06
  turn around and see the dude from lethal weapons standing there. Like, Hi.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: I got to get out of here. By the way,
• 1:21:12
  if you talk to him, he is one of the
• 1:21:15
  most normal, easy-to-talk-to movie stars you will ever meet. He
• 1:21:19
  has no heirs about him. He's very easy to talk to.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: I just don't do good in social situations like that
• 1:21:24
  where everybody was relatively recognizable. I just– I could sit
• 1:21:29
  in the corner and I hang out with my wife
• 1:21:30
  and we eat charcuterie.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: I get it. I get it. I don't like those
• 1:21:33
  things either, believe it or not.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: Well, I have been– Do you remember the event you
• 1:21:40
  did at Performance Archery in San Diego?
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize. I watched you trying to make your
• 1:21:48
  way to the bathroom and it took you about 30
• 1:21:52
  minutes to go 20 feet. And I don't know how
• 1:21:56
  you deal with that. I don't. That's I mean, one,
• 1:21:59
  I know you well enough outside of that, like you're
• 1:22:01
  a genuinely nice person. You will give people the time,
• 1:22:03
  like because you're appreciative of the fact that they want
• 1:22:06
  to meet you. Like, I totally get that. But also
• 1:22:08
  sometimes you have to piss.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: I mean I don't know how any of those people–
• 1:22:14
  or maybe you don't operate in like in a sense
• 1:22:16
  in air quotes of normalcy.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: It's not normal. But the way I think of it
• 1:22:22
  is like they just like me. It's way better than
• 1:22:26
  if they hated me. Way better than if you go
• 1:22:28
  into the bathroom and everybody wants to kick your ass.
• 1:22:30
  Like I'm going to the bathroom. They just want to
• 1:22:33
  say hi. And for them, it's a very unique moment.
• 1:22:36
  So I try to reset every time I see a
• 1:22:38
  new person. And I try to treat them as if
• 1:22:41
  it's like this is a– for them, it's a unique experience.
• 1:22:46
  They get to meet and never believe that I am unique.
• 1:22:51
  Don't believe the hype and don't think you are special.
• 1:22:54
  But always appreciate the fact that someone else does. And
• 1:22:57
  so take the time to say hi and say hi.
• 1:23:00
  I can't– the UFCs are hard because I can't. Like
• 1:23:03
  sometimes I'm going through the crowd and I have to–
• 1:23:06
  like sometimes I leave my commentary seat and then I
• 1:23:09
  have to take a piss and then I have to
• 1:23:11
  run back. And then everybody is trying to get a
• 1:23:13
  picture while you're– Like you're literally going through a crowd
• 1:23:16
  of people.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: You're talking about in-between balance.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And so I high-five people, but they're like–
• 1:23:22
  I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't stop because
• 1:23:24
  if I stop, then they'll all swarm and I can't
• 1:23:28
  do that. I have to keep moving. So that bothers
• 1:23:30
  me that I have to say I can't stop. Even
• 1:23:32
  when I'm leaving the venue. I can't. I can't. I
• 1:23:36
  have to keep moving. I'm sorry. I appreciate you, but
• 1:23:38
  I can't stop because if I stop, I'll never get
• 1:23:40
  out of here.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: I've been to one of those and we were at
• 1:23:43
  UFC 300.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: That was a good one.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: Your seat was good. You had a good seat. I
• 1:23:49
  watched the fight from the back of a projection onto
• 1:23:52
  one of the things up in one of the.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: Well, you didn't get tickets for me.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: I'm never going to ask you for tickets, by the way.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: Well, just fucking let me know when you want to go.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: Well, no, actually, I don't want to go because I
• 1:24:04
  missed listening to you guys talk.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: So we were sitting there and like. I heard Gaethje
• 1:24:12
  get flatlined before we saw it. And I'm like, Holy cow.
• 1:24:14
  You want to talk about not let the punch, but
• 1:24:17
  the reaction to that.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: Insane.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: But there was so many people and we were there
• 1:24:22
  with like Jocko and origin and, and there had some
• 1:24:25
  people that were down there a little bit. We ended up,
• 1:24:27
  Lee and I ended up watching from like the back.
• 1:24:29
  So we got to see it, but we both said
• 1:24:30
  the same thing. It's way better on the couch or
• 1:24:33
  I want a pair of headsets like this. So I can, yes,
• 1:24:36
  because now like, Let me be honest. Before I started
• 1:24:39
  training jiu-jitsu, I was like, you fucking stand them.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: Up right now. Those guys are just- Well, now, as
• 1:24:46
  a jiu-jitsu black belt, aren't you embarrassed about your old self?
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: Now I'm like, you don't let that guy earn that position.
• 1:24:52
  You don't ever get them off the cage, and you
• 1:24:54
  never get them off the ground.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. I've been preaching that from the beginning
• 1:24:59
  of the fucking sport.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, I would have been the dude with the redneck guzzler,
• 1:25:02
  Coors Light, half covered in a- I can stand him up.
• 1:25:06
  And now I'm like, no, no, no.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: Never.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: Especially when they're sweaty.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: If that guy's dominating him, you stay right there.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It's so hard to get someone to the ground.
• 1:25:16
  And it's so hard to hold them down if they're good.
• 1:25:18
  The experience, though, from– Not good.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: I am going to say this. I would rather pay
• 1:25:23
  for the Paramount than listen– or for the pay-per-view than
• 1:25:25
  the current Paramount experience. Sorry, Dana, but the commercials suck.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not a fan of commercials. That's why I
• 1:25:31
  like YouTube Premium. I don't want commercials.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: I'll pay for the pay-per-view.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: They should offer paramount premium like where you get no commercials.
• 1:25:40
  Like you should get a different experience.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: There's been some streaming issues as well too. Really? Yeah.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Well, it could also be– Montana internet.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: Listen, we have electricity. We have running water. I've actually
• 1:25:53
  seen solar panels up in Montana. They don't work great
• 1:25:55
  for nine months out.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: Of the year. Do you get the Starlink? Yeah. That's
• 1:26:00
  the shit.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: I was actually one of the first people to get
• 1:26:02
  it in Montana, and it works fantastic.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: I have the little one that's like a book.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: It's fucking great. I took it to Utah. We were
• 1:26:11
  streaming stuff while we were in the cabins. It was awesome.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: It's kind of life-changing.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's great.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: And then sometimes you have FaceTime with people. But then
• 1:26:20
  other times, like, I'm going to leave that in the
• 1:26:21
  truck because otherwise maybe I'm just going to enjoy wearing that.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: That's true. But, you know, the thing about elk hunting
• 1:26:26
  is you're so tired by the end of the day
• 1:26:28
  that you're not going to. sit there looking at your
• 1:26:31
  phone anyway. But it's nice to be able to FaceTime
• 1:26:33
  home and say hi to people. For sure. But I
• 1:26:37
  do like the fact that when you're out there in
• 1:26:38
  the woods, it doesn't work at all.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that is– God, I hate hunting sometimes like
• 1:26:46
  last year.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: Did you strike out last year? Oh, no.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: Even worse. Wounded an elk.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: I think I texted you. Oh, yeah.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: It's with a rifle too.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I tell people that I am the Navy SEAL
• 1:26:57
  sniper with the most confirmed misses. Because I can just
• 1:27:00
  smash that trigger back, close your eyes, hold your breath,
• 1:27:03
  let it gray out a little bit, and then really.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: Just jerk it. That's the worst feeling, when you know
• 1:27:07
  you could have done it so much better if you
• 1:27:09
  just had taken a little bit more time.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: It would have been hard for me to do it worse, Joe,
• 1:27:13
  if I'm being honest. People are like, how could you
• 1:27:17
  possibly miss? Because I'm an idiot sometimes, and I'm just, God.
• 1:27:22
  As I was pulling on the trigger, I was watching
• 1:27:24
  it just drift back towards the beginning of the guts.
• 1:27:27
  And instead of just stopping.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: Just gave.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: It a little bit more and then never saw the thing.
• 1:27:31
  Looked for it for two and a half days. Is
• 1:27:33
  there a worse feeling in the world than wounding an animal?
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: No. And it's also like a miss like that, you
• 1:27:42
  have to wait a year to get another chance. You
• 1:27:45
  have a whole nother year to sit about and think
• 1:27:48
  about that miss before you get back to hunting again.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: This year, I think I might be able to go
• 1:27:53
  back to archery because although they call jujitsu the gentle art,
• 1:27:57
  I get banged up sometimes.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, bro.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: I was, I was rifle hunting that year. I was
• 1:28:01
  training with a 15 year old young man at the
• 1:28:06
  end of a day of training with some savage black belts. Totally.
• 1:28:10
  And you know how, when you say, when you first
• 1:28:12
  start like, Hey, you need to relax. Well, I also
• 1:28:14
  found that you can relax too much. I was laying
• 1:28:16
  on my side, letting him work on an arm bar,
• 1:28:18
  got ahold of my arm. I was going to work
• 1:28:19
  on an escape. And as my arm was coming up
• 1:28:23
  over my head, I heard my shoulder cavitate. It was like,
• 1:28:26
  and of course on my, drawing arm for my bow,
• 1:28:29
  and we were a couple months away from hunting season.
• 1:28:32
  Felt it go, partial tear of the pack, completely black
• 1:28:35
  and blue. It was the gentle art.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: There's nothing gentle about jiu-jitsu.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: It's ridiculous to call it that. I don't know what
• 1:28:43
  psychopath called it the gentle art. I've been hurt more times.
• 1:28:46
  Everybody I know that's done jiu-jitsu as long as I
• 1:28:48
  have has like either artificial discs in their back and
• 1:28:51
  neck or has had multiple knee surgeries. That's me. I've
• 1:28:54
  had three. Or has had torn shoulders where they had
• 1:28:58
  to get reconstructed or blown out elbows.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you still train?
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: No. I haven't in a while. I want to, though. Yeah.
• 1:29:06
  I did a little bit of training about a year
• 1:29:08
  ago with Gabe Tuttle, and I was getting back into it.
• 1:29:11
  But I still struggle with this one knee. I have
• 1:29:13
  one knee that keeps fucking up on me, man.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: For you, it would be very hard to find– the
• 1:29:18
  appropriate training partner.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: Like you're never going to a group class again and
• 1:29:21
  getting in there at open mat. People would come for
• 1:29:23
  your head cause they're assholes.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I always did. That's what I always did.
• 1:29:27
  I never, I always trained. I didn't just like only
• 1:29:32
  train with like one guy that like stuck with all
• 1:29:35
  the time. I always went to classes.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: Cause I think that's the only way to really be good.
• 1:29:39
  I don't think there's a real way to train with
• 1:29:43
  one person. That's, like, taking it easy on you and
• 1:29:46
  really achieve a high level. I think you have to
• 1:29:50
  go in there with people that are going to tap you.
• 1:29:52
  And you have to go in there with people that
• 1:29:53
  are trying to tap you. You know? And, you know,
• 1:29:56
  if you're good and if you're strong, you can avoid
• 1:29:59
  a lot of shit. But, you know, get in there
• 1:30:02
  with some fucking 25-year-old wrestler who weighs 210 pounds and
• 1:30:05
  is built like a superhero. Yeah.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: It moves at a speed that your joints and ligaments
• 1:30:11
  can't move at.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: I can't keep up. You're on my back. I can't
• 1:30:15
  keep up with this. And if I do keep up,
• 1:30:18
  I'm going to blow something out.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: Since I found it at 41, I don't think we
• 1:30:22
  should teach it to anybody under 30 because it deeply
• 1:30:25
  offends me when children come out of the children's class
• 1:30:28
  and they've been training like six times longer than I am. Like,
• 1:30:31
  What like their movement patterns were developed on the mat.
• 1:30:35
  I'm like, I know we're using the same alphabet. We
• 1:30:37
  are not putting together the same words. Well, I knew
• 1:30:40
  that from striking because I knew that from kicking. I
• 1:30:42
  was like, I started martial arts before my body had
• 1:30:45
  matured and my body matured becoming very flexible and very fast.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: And so as I got thicker, I maintained that speed
• 1:30:54
  and everything. But I was like, I don't know if
• 1:30:55
  you could ever get as good as I got. If
• 1:30:58
  you didn't start when I started, I don't know if
• 1:31:00
  it's possible. And I didn't start jujitsu until I was 30.
• 1:31:03
  And when I started doing jujitsu, I remember thinking, God,
• 1:31:06
  I wish I did this when I was a kid.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: Because I see some kids where their fucking scrambles and
• 1:31:12
  their transitions like built into their neurons where they're just
• 1:31:16
  like everything is so fast and so kinetic and they're
• 1:31:19
  just moving and flowing like, fuck.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: I could have started in like 97. But the few
• 1:31:25
  people who were doing it were so enthusiastic, it just
• 1:31:28
  nauseated me.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Like, it's like veganism.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: Like, they make you want to eat meat.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: Come roll with us. I'm like, I don't know what
• 1:31:36
  you guys are doing. It's very questionably gay at best
• 1:31:39
  from the outside. I don't like how much you like it.
• 1:31:43
  Because you like it that much, I'm out. And then
• 1:31:45
  I look back, I'm like, oh.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: I started in 96. Yeah.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: Not me.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: I guess I took, yeah, it was 95 or 96.
• 1:31:56
  It was right after UFC 2 came out on video.
• 1:32:00
  So UFC 2 was– 93 was the UFC. I found
• 1:32:04
  out about UFC in like– I didn't find out about
• 1:32:07
  it in 93. I found out about it a year later.
• 1:32:10
  And it wasn't available. UFC 1 was not available on VHS.
• 1:32:14
  I had to get UFC 2. And I found out
• 1:32:16
  about it from somebody at the kickboxing gym that I
• 1:32:18
  was going to. He was like, you've got to see this.
• 1:32:20
  And I was like, what is this? I was like,
• 1:32:22
  oh my god, they did it. Because there was always
• 1:32:24
  this thing when I was a martial artist, when I
• 1:32:26
  was young, like what's better, judo, karate? And no one knew.
• 1:32:30
  And then there was like the Jean-Claude Van Damme Kumite
• 1:32:33
  movies where you meet and all the styles come together
• 1:32:36
  and you find out what's best. But when I first
• 1:32:38
  saw UFC 2, I was like, oh, my God, they
• 1:32:41
  did it. And then I was like, oh, my God,
• 1:32:44
  I don't know that. This one guy is killing everybody.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that were saying that in
• 1:32:48
  those single-digit ones.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: So then what number UFC did you first commentate at?
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: UFC 12. Damn, dude.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: That's a pretty quick, well, they probably were doing less
• 1:32:57
  frequently as well, but that's a pretty quick flash to bang.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: Seeing it on a VHS.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: That was 97. So by 97, I guess I was 30. Yeah.
• 1:33:09
  I guess I was 30, somewhere around there. So that
• 1:33:12
  was the first UFC that, and I was already training
• 1:33:15
  at that time. I was training at Carlson Gracie's with, uh,
• 1:33:18
  Vitor Belfort. There was, uh, Vitor Belfort was there. Marilla
• 1:33:21
  Bustamante was there. Like, like, It was amazing. Just stumbled
• 1:33:26
  upon that place. I actually went to Hickson's first, but
• 1:33:29
  I was so ignorant. I thought Carlson Gracie, Hickson Gracie.
• 1:33:32
  I thought it was the same. And Hickson was further
• 1:33:35
  away and Carlson's was closer. I was like, oh, I
• 1:33:39
  found a closer Gracie jiu-jitsu. I'll go here. And then
• 1:33:42
  it was also the time where extreme fighting was out,
• 1:33:46
  which was John Peretti, who was one of the commentators
• 1:33:49
  for the early UFC, was now doing this. And it
• 1:33:52
  was really good. Like Mario Sperry was fighting Igor Zinoviev.
• 1:33:55
  And these guys, a lot of these guys were from
• 1:33:58
  Carlson Gracie. So I saw the Carlson Gracie, the two
• 1:34:01
  bulldog logos, which is fucking dope. And then I found
• 1:34:04
  out that it was on Hawthorne street in LA, which
• 1:34:06
  was like really close to the comedy store. I was like, Oh,
• 1:34:09
  this is perfect. Cause I was living in North Hollywood.
• 1:34:12
  I was just driving there.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: It was much closer.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: It was much closer, but I just, I got there
• 1:34:17
  at literally the perfect time. Cause it was right before
• 1:34:19
  Vitor was making his UFC debut. which was UFC 12,
• 1:34:23
  which I commentated at. So I was literally training at
• 1:34:26
  the same school as Vitor, so I knew what to expect.
• 1:34:29
  I'm like, these guys don't know what the fuck this
• 1:34:31
  guy's doing. Because everybody thought he was just a jiu-jitsu guy.
• 1:34:35
  And meanwhile, he had lightning hands. And it was a
• 1:34:39
  slimmer Vitor. He was only like 200 pounds back then.
• 1:34:42
  Just moved like a fucking panther. And I got to
• 1:34:46
  see this sport just sort of emerging again. Where really
• 1:34:50
  it was becoming something completely different. Like at first it
• 1:34:53
  was just a bunch of people that didn't know anything. And,
• 1:34:56
  you know, there was or they didn't know anything about
• 1:34:57
  mixed martial arts. They either know judo or they know karate.
• 1:35:00
  And then there was hoists and hoists just tapping everybody.
• 1:35:03
  And everybody's like, oh, my God, jujitsu is the way.
• 1:35:05
  And then when I went to Carlson's, I was like,
• 1:35:07
  jujitsu is kind of the way. But look at this guy.
• 1:35:10
  Like you got to take that guy to the ground.
• 1:35:13
  And that guy's hands are like a fucking professional boxers.
• 1:35:16
  This is crazy. Yeah.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: Jiu-jitsu is awesome. It's not complete.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: You can have a nice black belt and end up
• 1:35:23
  in an ambulance if you can't get through a striking range.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: Well, not only that, there's a lot of guys that
• 1:35:27
  were really reliant upon the gi back then, unfortunately. Because
• 1:35:31
  this is all, you've got to realize, this is all
• 1:35:32
  before Abu Dhabi, right? So this is before Abu Dhabi
• 1:35:36
  Combat Club came out, which was an amazing organization that
• 1:35:40
  paid real money to grapplers to compete, but Made them
• 1:35:43
  compete without a gi, which was like for a lot
• 1:35:47
  of guys, they didn't know what to do. They're so
• 1:35:49
  used to grabbing sleeves and grabbing collars and grabbing pants.
• 1:35:54
  And the one guy who had figured it out was
• 1:35:57
  my eventual instructor, Jean-Jacques Machado, because Jean-Jacques was born with
• 1:36:02
  essentially one hand. His left hand is just a thumb.
• 1:36:05
  He just has a thumb. He had a birth defect.
• 1:36:08
  And because of that, his game was all overhooks and
• 1:36:11
  underhooks and gable grips. which was he wasn't relying on
• 1:36:15
  collars and all this other stuff. So his game was
• 1:36:17
  very different. He just dominated in Abu Dhabi. And that
• 1:36:21
  opened up the door to Eddie Bravo. So Eddie Bravo,
• 1:36:23
  he learned a lot of his techniques from Jean-Jacques as well.
• 1:36:27
  And a lot of his style was based around Jean-Jacques' principles,
• 1:36:31
  which is don't rely on the gi because you don't
• 1:36:33
  always have the gi. It's a good tool to use
• 1:36:35
  if you have it. If you're fighting a guy who's
• 1:36:37
  got a winter coat on, it's awesome. The last thing
• 1:36:39
  you want to do is fight a judo guy if
• 1:36:41
  you're wearing a winter coat.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: So not optimal for how your head is going to
• 1:36:45
  feel when it hits the concrete.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: And you ain't going to be able to do shit
• 1:36:50
  to stop that.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: I asked you early on. I think we had linked
• 1:36:53
  up when I was– it was actually– it was right
• 1:36:55
  at the beginning of COVID. I was a white belt
• 1:36:56
  and I asked you how you train and manage grip stuff.
• 1:37:00
  And you gave me a piece of advice that I
• 1:37:01
  still have– I still utilize and you said whether you
• 1:37:04
  have a gi on or don't have a gi on,
• 1:37:06
  just focus on taking no-gi grips. I was like, son
• 1:37:08
  of a bitch.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's what I always did. Yeah. The only gi–
• 1:37:12
  technique that I really love is the clock choke. You know,
• 1:37:15
  when you get a deep grip on the collar and
• 1:37:19
  you funnel that left arm underneath and spin, oh my god,
• 1:37:24
  that's instant death. That clock choke is so nasty.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: I prefer the cross collar.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: That's great too.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: It's available for more areas.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: Just pop that head right off.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: Cross collar is nasty. There's a lot of great, great
• 1:37:36
  gi techniques that are super effective if someone's wearing clothes.
• 1:37:41
  I mean, you'd be amazed at how durable T-shirts are.
• 1:37:47
  You know, you could really choke the fuck out of
• 1:37:49
  someone with a T-shirt on.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: So Henner has a video where he'll get the first
• 1:37:52
  hand in. He's got him in close guard. He reaches
• 1:37:55
  over and he grabs the bottom of the shirt, pulls
• 1:37:57
  it all the way up, and then wraps that around
• 1:37:59
  his ear.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: It's got to feel like a garrote.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Horrible. Yeah. Horrible.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: Horrible.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: And especially if they're wearing like a strong shirt, like
• 1:38:08
  a flannel shirt or something like that, something to really grab. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:38:13
  But that was John Jock's style. His style was use
• 1:38:18
  no-gi grips even with the gi. So for me, it
• 1:38:21
  made me concentrate more on defense because you couldn't pull
• 1:38:24
  out of things as easily. But I never felt lost
• 1:38:28
  going into no-gi. So I would go back and forth
• 1:38:30
  all the time. So I got my black belt from
• 1:38:32
  Eddie first, but I got my black belt from Jean-Jacques
• 1:38:35
  right after that because I was training at both places.
• 1:38:37
  That was also a beautiful thing about Eddie being Jean-Jacques'
• 1:38:41
  student and them having a very close relationship. It never
• 1:38:44
  felt like you were a traitor. That you left schools
• 1:38:47
  because I never really left schools. I trained at both places.
• 1:38:49
  I always trained at Jean-Jacques and I always trained at Eddie's.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: You went to Crianche?
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Is that what they call it? Yeah.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that was very nice that they had that
• 1:38:59
  amazing relationship where there was no static at all. It
• 1:39:03
  was like I would go to see Jean-Jacques. I'd go
• 1:39:05
  train there a couple days a week. I'd train at
• 1:39:07
  Eddie's a couple days a week. It was awesome. Yeah.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: If I had a time machine and if my younger
• 1:39:11
  self would listen to me, which I don't think I would.
• 1:39:14
  I would say two things. One, buy Bitcoin, obviously. And two,
• 1:39:18
  maybe get into GSU a little bit earlier.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I think what you did was pretty impressive
• 1:39:23
  because you got through it very quickly. I remember you
• 1:39:27
  first started training and you got a black belt in like, what,
• 1:39:31
  four years, five years?
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: Five and a half.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. That's quick.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it depends on how you view the time.
• 1:39:38
  So I think the standard 10-year... A window is usually
• 1:39:42
  somebody who trains about an hour a day or two
• 1:39:44
  hours a day twice a week. I had the ability
• 1:39:47
  where I was living. I could train 10 times a
• 1:39:49
  week for as long as I want to, right? So
• 1:39:51
  the math is still math at the end of the day.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: Right, but that's still very hard on the body at
• 1:39:55
  40 years old. It's very hard on the body.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: Vitamin I, also known as ibuprofen, comes into the training model.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: That shit's terrible.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it makes you feel better.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: It's so bad for you though. It's so bad for
• 1:40:07
  your gut.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: I will say this. One thing about my previous job
• 1:40:10
  is it teaches you how to learn. It rewards your
• 1:40:13
  ability to– Be coachable. Be coachable. And people ask me,
• 1:40:19
  how can you be a good student? Just in general.
• 1:40:21
  I'm like, listen, how about this? Do what your instructor
• 1:40:24
  says and nothing more.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: If they say put your hand here and you ask them,
• 1:40:28
  do you mean always put it there? And they say yes,
• 1:40:30
  just put your hand there. If you want to– the
• 1:40:33
  internet is an amazing thing, right? And there's a bunch
• 1:40:35
  of ability to go out and look for techniques and stuff.
• 1:40:38
  But I can't think of anything more disrespectful to a
• 1:40:40
  coach to be told something and then you are offering
• 1:40:42
  them something that you saw on Instagram while they're trying
• 1:40:45
  to teach you. Like that's how that relationship is going
• 1:40:47
  to end up breaking. If you really want to accelerate
• 1:40:49
  your learning and honor your coach actually, focus on what
• 1:40:53
  they are trying to tell you to do. Do only
• 1:40:55
  that and no more until you have that mastered and
• 1:40:57
  then you can– Move on top of that.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. That's great advice. Yeah, you have to just listen.
• 1:41:03
  You have to listen and never question. And then if
• 1:41:06
  you– unless you have a bad coach, then just get
• 1:41:08
  a good coach. That's the solution to that.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: Which in this era, you have choices. The era that
• 1:41:13
  you were starting in, there weren't as many choices.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. Well, I realized that when I went to
• 1:41:18
  Jean-Jacques' place that there's levels in teaching. And obviously Hickson's
• 1:41:23
  school was very high level and Carlson's was too. But
• 1:41:26
  Carlson's went under pretty quickly. They weren't around that long.
• 1:41:30
  But then when I went to Jean-Jacques, I was like, okay,
• 1:41:32
  this is a completely different level. Like Jean-Jacques is so detail-oriented.
• 1:41:37
  I was also very lucky that I started doing Taekwondo
• 1:41:40
  when I was a child so that I always listened.
• 1:41:44
  And the traditional martial arts environment, there's no room for questioning.
• 1:41:51
  They don't allow any– and I was also very lucky
• 1:41:53
  that the school that I started at was one of
• 1:41:55
  the best schools in the world. I just got lucky.
• 1:41:57
  I found this Jeon Kim Taekwondo Institute in Boston. Just
• 1:42:03
  happened to have multiple national champions, like really elite competitors.
• 1:42:08
  And so I never questioned. I always did. And I
• 1:42:12
  never did anything half-assed. I always did it exactly. That's
• 1:42:15
  how you develop the right technique.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: You have to.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: Well, it's how you accelerate learning too. Because, again, people
• 1:42:22
  ask me about my old job. Like, well, how do
• 1:42:24
  you– How do you guys do all this stuff that
• 1:42:26
  you do? Well, you learn it a piece at a time.
• 1:42:27
  And honestly, it's the mastery of fundamentals. Even at that,
• 1:42:31
  I think what I determined the most when my coach
• 1:42:34
  gave me my black belt was that I don't know
• 1:42:36
  a goddamn thing about jiu-jitsu. And I can't keep up
• 1:42:40
  with all the flashy sporty stuff. But the better fundamentals get,
• 1:42:43
  the better you can tolerate a lot of that stuff.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: It's just the.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: Mastery of the fundamentals is just so essential.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: Well, some of the elite guys of all time never
• 1:42:51
  did any of the flashy stuff like Hickson. Hickson was
• 1:42:54
  just the fundamentals honed to a razor sharp edge. Yeah.
• 1:42:59
  You don't see Hickson doing some stuff. You're like, oh,
• 1:43:01
  I've never seen that before. It's all triangles, arm bars,
• 1:43:04
  renegade choke, and just done to perfection. Yeah. Done in
• 1:43:09
  a way that black belts can't stop it.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: No, I've heard stories of him lining black belts up,
• 1:43:14
  telling them what he is going to catch them with.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: And then having like 10 of them watch him catch
• 1:43:20
  everybody before them with the same thing and them having
• 1:43:23
  absolutely no ability to stop it. That's what I'm talking about.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: Well, that's Gordon Ryan too. Gordon Ryan, one of the
• 1:43:29
  things that Gordon did, I was there when he did it.
• 1:43:32
  One of the times he did it. He did it
• 1:43:33
  multiple times. He would write down on a piece of
• 1:43:36
  paper how he was going to submit his opponent and
• 1:43:39
  sealed in an envelope. And before the match started, he
• 1:43:42
  would walk over to the commentators and say, open this
• 1:43:44
  when it's over. And then you would see him catch
• 1:43:48
  somebody in a triangle and then he would open up
• 1:43:50
  the envelope and it showed a triangle. And he had
• 1:43:53
  multiple opportunities to catch someone in different things. He's like, no, no, no.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: See, I could do that too, but it would be
• 1:43:58
  what I'm going to get caught with. Here's the most
• 1:44:00
  likely thing that I'm going to mess up and get
• 1:44:02
  caught with.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing about starting when you're 40 versus
• 1:44:07
  starting when you're 12 or whatever it is. It's like
• 1:44:09
  you're only going to be able to get to a
• 1:44:12
  certain height.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: Well, also I recognize that I'm an aggressive hobbyist. I
• 1:44:17
  have– I've competed twice only because my wife was coaching
• 1:44:20
  at tournaments. I was like, well, I'll go spend time
• 1:44:22
  with you. So here we are. I think once when
• 1:44:25
  I was a white belt and once when I was
• 1:44:26
  a purple belt.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: Like that's it.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: I don't care about the competition. Shockingly enough, I'm not
• 1:44:30
  looking to have a violent confrontation with anyone ever. Totally
• 1:44:35
  have filled my cup up with that one. Probably has
• 1:44:37
  spilled over a little bit from time to time. I
• 1:44:40
  just do it because– I really like the community. I
• 1:44:42
  like the fact you can't master it. So you can
• 1:44:44
  keep your brain young with your body young or young
• 1:44:47
  as young as possible. And yeah, it's just fun.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: It's really fun. It's so addictive, which is to me
• 1:44:53
  was a problem with injuries was that I would always
• 1:44:56
  find I'd go, I'll work around it. And I just
• 1:44:59
  go in with injuries and then they get aggravated to
• 1:45:02
  the point where, you know, I remember one time my
• 1:45:05
  fingers were getting numb. Because my neck was so fucked
• 1:45:08
  up that my fingers were numb, and then I'm like, okay,
• 1:45:10
  I've got to do something.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: Was this from you head and arm choking people?
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: It was a lot of that. Yep.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: I remember you telling me your affinities. You're like, you've
• 1:45:17
  really got to just drive your head.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: You've got to use your neck. And also not tapping,
• 1:45:22
  not tapping to certain– neck cranks and different things that
• 1:45:26
  fuck your neck up.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: Neck cranks are very real.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I also didn't work my neck enough back then.
• 1:45:31
  I didn't have an iron neck at that machine. Do
• 1:45:34
  you still use that thing? Oh, yeah. I fucking love
• 1:45:36
  that thing.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: Is it forward and back and turn or all those things?
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a halo. You sit it on your
• 1:45:41
  chest and you pump it up like the Reebok pump.
• 1:45:44
  And then the chin strap, you tighten that bitch down
• 1:45:46
  and you can adjust the tension that's required to spin
• 1:45:49
  it and it has this giant bungee cord on it.
• 1:45:52
  And so the bungee cord is like 50 pounds of resistance.
• 1:45:54
  So you back up with the bungee cord until it's
• 1:45:56
  like fully taut. And then you go like this. I
• 1:46:03
  swear by that thing.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: It keeps your neck strong as fuck. And I don't
• 1:46:06
  have any neck problems anymore. And I had a lot
• 1:46:09
  of fucking neck problems. So the thing that saved me, though,
• 1:46:12
  was Regenikine, which is like this PRP, platelet-rich plasma to
• 1:46:17
  the next level, this treatment that. A lot of guys
• 1:46:20
  were having to go to Germany to get– in the
• 1:46:23
  early days, they would go– I remember Kobe Bryant went
• 1:46:26
  to Germany. I think Peyton Manning went. A bunch of
• 1:46:28
  guys had to go to Germany to get this treatment
• 1:46:32
  and it's like they take your blood and through some
• 1:46:36
  process– I forget exactly how they do it. It makes
• 1:46:38
  this fluid that is like this radically inflammation-fighting fluid and
• 1:46:46
  they injected it into my neck and it cured my
• 1:46:48
  bulging discs. And all my numbness went away and I
• 1:46:51
  got to start training again once I got back. But again,
• 1:46:54
  I didn't have a fucking iron neck back then. If
• 1:46:56
  I had that machine back then, I think I could
• 1:46:58
  have avoided a lot of the problems. Yeah. Like a
• 1:47:01
  lot of the problems that people have with lower backs,
• 1:47:04
  I firmly believe it's a lack of building tissue and
• 1:47:08
  strength and mobility around your lower back. And I do
• 1:47:13
  a lot of lower back exercises too. I do a
• 1:47:15
  lot of rotation exercises and a lot of like reverse
• 1:47:19
  hypers like that machine.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: That machine is awesome.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's I do that today. That fucking keeps your
• 1:47:25
  back so strong and healthy and it decompresses at the
• 1:47:28
  same time that it strengthens. And, you know, so many
• 1:47:31
  guys just go into the class. They just that's their workout.
• 1:47:33
  Their only workout is training. And those guys are always hurt.
• 1:47:36
  They're always getting hurt, I think. Strength training and mobility
• 1:47:40
  training is essential if you want to have longevity in jiu-jitsu.
• 1:47:44
  I really think that. I would agree. Yeah.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for the first couple years, it was a workout
• 1:47:48
  in and of itself, and I finally have started. I
• 1:47:51
  think I'm done with barbells just because I've never seen
• 1:47:53
  a linear object equally loaded in real life outside of
• 1:47:56
  a gym, so ….
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: There's some things with barbells, though, like Olympic-style stuff, like cleans.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: I can get all those kettlebells, though, too.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: You can. Zurchers, though. Zurchers are only available with a barbell.
• 1:48:09
  I think zurchers are very, very important. I think that's
• 1:48:13
  a big one. I'm willing to accept. Jefferson squats. There's
• 1:48:18
  a bunch of different things, but zurchers in particular are
• 1:48:21
  really good for grappling.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: You know, because you've got that barbell that you're holding
• 1:48:25
  inside the crook of your elbow.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: Couldn't you use a sandbag?
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: You could.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: You definitely could. Yeah. I love goblet squats.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: Goblet squats are phenomenal for that.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll tear you up for sure.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: Especially on a slant board. You know, when you're holding
• 1:48:39
  like a 90-pound kettlebell and you're doing those deep squats
• 1:48:43
  where it's knees over toes on a slant board and
• 1:48:46
  your whole core is just so activated. I think that's
• 1:48:50
  phenomenal for just strength and stability. But I agree. I
• 1:48:56
  think kettlebells are the best. I think it's the best
• 1:48:58
  also because there's so many different things you can do
• 1:49:02
  with them in terms of There's rotational exercises I do
• 1:49:05
  where I pick it down on this side and I
• 1:49:07
  swing and clean it and I press it on that
• 1:49:09
  side and let it swing down. And I do those
• 1:49:12
  things where you lie on your back with your butt,
• 1:49:17
  with your legs up in the air, and you do
• 1:49:18
  those twists where you take the kettlebell and put it
• 1:49:21
  at each side.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: You can absolutely demolish yourself with a single kettlebell.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: Which is kind of awesome, especially where I live too,
• 1:49:28
  traveling with a truck. Like, okay, whatever. Yep. Put one
• 1:49:30
  of these bad boys in there.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: All the excuses are gone.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: I had a bowling bag that I would carry a
• 1:49:34
  50-pound kettlebell with me on the road. I just put
• 1:49:37
  it in a bowling bag because it fits in a
• 1:49:39
  bowling ball bag. All right.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: People are going to look at you a little awkwardly,
• 1:49:42
  but I'm here for it.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: But if you have a 50-pound weight limit, if you
• 1:49:45
  check in luggage. Like, there you go. Whatever works for you.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I appreciate the enthusiasm for working out on the road.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: Well, back then, the thing was you'd never find them
• 1:49:59
  in a gym. And now they're in most gyms.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: It's tough not to find them now in a gym, yeah.
• 1:50:03
  Hotel gyms is like, why do you have a 1.5
• 1:50:06
  kilo kettlebell? Like, is this for children?
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: Like, what the fuck?
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: The little micro ones?
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: Some people like to pretend they're working out.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: Sometimes that's me. Just go through the motions.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: They're good for wrists, too. Wrist curls. You know, you
• 1:50:21
  take a kettlebell. And you, like, reverse it or you
• 1:50:24
  have it this way and you do these. Like, put
• 1:50:27
  your forearms on a bench. Oh, yeah. And you hold
• 1:50:29
  the handle in your hands and you just let your
• 1:50:31
  wrist curls. Because it puts you in this, like, weird angle.
• 1:50:34
  It really strengthens your forearms and your wrists. There's so
• 1:50:37
  many things you could do with those things. Things that
• 1:50:40
  aren't sexy, like Turkish get-ups, phenomenal for you. So good
• 1:50:45
  for stability and core and just overall body control.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I need it now. Croaching towards 50, still enjoying jiu-jitsu.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: You need a little bit.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: You definitely need something. Are you taking any peptides or
• 1:51:00
  any of that stuff?
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: I played around with peptides. Finally, two years ago, I
• 1:51:03
  got my endocrine system checked, my hormones checked. Oh, man.
• 1:51:10
  It was like a little gauge that had red zone, yellow, green.
• 1:51:15
  Upon first looking at this chart, I assumed that my
• 1:51:17
  life was going to end in about 36 hours.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: What was your number? Oh, fuck.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: Two something.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, Jesus.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: I had never had it checked.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't feel awesome, but I also– there are people
• 1:51:32
  who play it around with an immense amount of performance-enhancing
• 1:51:36
  materials in my previous job, which live your life however
• 1:51:38
  you want to. Just understand maybe the long-term tail and
• 1:51:41
  the consequences of the choice you want to make.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: I wanted to avoid that for as long as possible because,
• 1:51:46
  as you know, once you kind of go on that train,
• 1:51:47
  it's a lifelong journey.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: But once I finally saw that piece of paper, I'm like.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, boy. I bet you could attribute that to the
• 1:51:56
  volume of your training. That's also part of the problem
• 1:51:59
  is if you're training 10 times a week, you're probably
• 1:52:03
  in a constant state of overtraining. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: Probably for the vast majority of my life, that's been
• 1:52:10
  the state that I operated in. If I'm being honest,
• 1:52:12
  I mean the answer was always just more. Like if
• 1:52:14
  you want to get better, do more.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: You want to be stronger, go harder. Go harder and
• 1:52:17
  do more.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: It took me about– so I've been– I started taking
• 1:52:21
  TRT about two years ago. I am just now finally
• 1:52:24
  slowly dialing it into where I feel a difference. Recovery
• 1:52:28
  is better. But also, I mean I try to set
• 1:52:31
  realistic expectations for who I am and what I'm trying
• 1:52:33
  to do. Like I'm just– I want to have– The
• 1:52:35
  healthiest lifespan that I can.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: I'd rather live to 80 and be doing awesome stuff
• 1:52:40
  to 80 than live to 90 and spend the last
• 1:52:41
  10 years eating jello in a nursing home. Right. So
• 1:52:45
  that's what I'm going for.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: You could do, as long as you're smart with your
• 1:52:48
  training and you don't get like catastrophic injuries, you could
• 1:52:53
  be very physically fit deep, deep into your 60s and 70s.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: That's the goal. And that's, I mean, I don't know.
• 1:53:00
  Nobody knows how much time we have, you know, and
• 1:53:03
  how long your lap is going to be. My goal
• 1:53:05
  is just to fill it up with awesome experiences between
• 1:53:07
  here and whenever that is.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: Here, here. Just stand on that fucking flying squirrel suit,
• 1:53:11
  will you?
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: You know, Cam just said the same thing to me.
• 1:53:14
  And if enough people keep saying that, I'll put that
• 1:53:16
  fucking thing back on just to piss you guys off.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: It's kind of amazing that you're still here. You've done
• 1:53:23
  that so many times. I mean, you broke the world
• 1:53:25
  record at one point in time.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: I did, yes.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: How many miles was that that you flew?
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: It was like 18.2, something like that.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: With a flying squirrel suit.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: To me, it was very reasonable. You know, the things
• 1:53:37
  that I do that I think are reasonable, oftentimes in
• 1:53:39
  my life, people will pull me aside and be like, hey, man,
• 1:53:41
  what the fuck?
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't seem at all reasonable.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: Well, you're only seeing that one video. I had been
• 1:53:47
  skydiving for like 16 years at that point, you know? And,
• 1:53:51
  you know, something like when I would go over to,
• 1:53:52
  I remember I'd go over to Switzerland and I would
• 1:53:55
  do a flight in the wingsuit and get, you know,
• 1:53:58
  you're like, you're playing tag with your shadow on a
• 1:54:01
  steep cliff and I would send it to you and
• 1:54:02
  you'd One day you were like, I just had to
• 1:54:04
  throw my phone across the room watching this because it
• 1:54:06
  was giving you anxiety. So then I'm like, clearly I'm
• 1:54:09
  sending you more of these videos for sure, right? Because
• 1:54:11
  now I got the hooky.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: I threw my phone into a couch.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: I was like, fuck this.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: What are you doing, Andy?
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: But that was like one of many jumps in this,
• 1:54:20
  like the months of training leading up to that. I'm
• 1:54:22
  not going to sit here and say it's safe. I
• 1:54:24
  do think you can do it as safely as possible.
• 1:54:26
  And I don't have a higher risk threshold than other
• 1:54:29
  people do. I spend an immense amount of time at
• 1:54:32
  everything that I do looking at the risk and trying
• 1:54:34
  to manage it, analyze it, mitigate it as much as possible.
• 1:54:37
  And then you look at what's left. To me, that
• 1:54:40
  activity provided me enough enrichment in my life that it
• 1:54:44
  was worth it. I haven't put the suit on in
• 1:54:48
  five or six years. But I swear to God, if
• 1:54:49
  I get one more person telling me not to do it,
• 1:54:51
  I'm going to go back and just start sending you
• 1:54:54
  videos again. All right.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: Well, I promise I won't be that guy. It tells
• 1:54:59
  you that.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: I promise. But honestly, at this point, again, talking about risk,
• 1:55:02
  it's not worth it. I don't live in a place
• 1:55:03
  where I can stay because your currency in that suit
• 1:55:06
  comes from the skydiving world where you can jump it
• 1:55:07
  multiple times a day. In the base jumping world, there's
• 1:55:10
  no altimeter. You're just camera one, camera two. At about $ 1. 20.
• 1:55:15
  Face first.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: So, yeah.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: If you misjudge a tree or a cliff.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: It's probably fun as fuck, though, while it's happening.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to describe what it feels like
• 1:55:26
  doing 120 miles an hour face first a few feet
• 1:55:30
  off the ground. Probably like the, what is it in
• 1:55:33
  the Olympics? The skeleton?
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: How close do you get off the ground? What's the closest?
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: Probably not intentionally. The closest was probably somewhere right around
• 1:55:41
  the three foot range.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: 120 miles an hour. So three foot is like one, two,
• 1:55:47
  like that.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: Jesus, dude.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: That's insane.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: You don't do that for very long. And if you do,
• 1:55:55
  like some of those jumps in Switzerland, like you would
• 1:55:56
  hike for hours. And there's this one jump. It's actually
• 1:56:01
  one of the ones I sent you from. It's insane.
• 1:56:04
  You're just looking out into like this picture storybook of
• 1:56:09
  like where the Kabul giant or whatever he was would live. Kandahar.
• 1:56:13
  Kandahar giant.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: I think it's real.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: I hope it is real. It's such a deep part
• 1:56:19
  of me hopes that it's real. But you're looking out
• 1:56:21
  at that. As you're zipping up your ridiculous nylon suit
• 1:56:24
  and checking to make sure everything is there, then you
• 1:56:26
  just rock forward. And at some point you rock to
• 1:56:28
  a place where you can't go back the other direction.
• 1:56:31
  And you send it. And the first few seconds, because
• 1:56:33
  you have no airspeed, the suit doesn't fly. So you're
• 1:56:35
  just falling and then it takes off. And it's just
• 1:56:37
  these right-hand turns and right-hand turns. And there are small
• 1:56:41
  sections where the angle is correct and you can kind
• 1:56:44
  of connect with the train and then get away from
• 1:56:45
  it and connect it. The people who are able to
• 1:56:48
  survive it are not the ones that are flying three
• 1:56:50
  feet off the ground all the time. It's very, very
• 1:56:53
  short periods of time on jumps that they have practiced many,
• 1:56:56
  many times and they slowly incrementally work their way down there.
• 1:57:00
  Because again, a mistake in that environment is you're going
• 1:57:02
  to impact an object headfirst at 120.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: I remember the video that scared me the most was
• 1:57:08
  a bridge. Where the guy was trying to fly through,
• 1:57:11
  you know, the video. Yeah, I do.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, there you go.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: Is this Andy?
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, look at this.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love this little grass field over here. I
• 1:57:17
  think my head turns to the right because there was
• 1:57:19
  two dudes up here. I was looking at them.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: God, that is beautiful.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm telling you, it's insane. This is the Field
• 1:57:23
  of Joy. Wow. That's the shadow in the lower right.
• 1:57:27
  But that's probably, I don't know, that's probably 10 feet off.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: God, that is fucking pretty. Yeah. That has got to
• 1:57:35
  be nuts. I mean, there's not a ride at Disneyland
• 1:57:38
  that can fuck with this.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely not.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: Wow. Have you ever done one of those ones where
• 1:57:45
  you strap a jetpack?
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: No, but I like where your head's at. Yeah, I
• 1:57:51
  know exactly what you're talking about.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: You remember there was a guy that was, like, getting
• 1:57:55
  in trouble because they kept finding this guy flying a wingsuit?
• 1:58:00
  He was flying a jetpack wingsuit, and they were trying to, like,
• 1:58:03
  locate the guy who was doing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:58:05
  He was getting... like they were looking for him because
• 1:58:09
  they kept spotting him. Where was that, Jamie? Do you remember?
• 1:58:12
  We talked about it on the show once.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: I feel like this is like a combination of stories.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: Secret jetpack man?
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, some guy had a jetpack, and he was flying
• 1:58:21
  around where he wasn't supposed to be.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so these guys are in Dubai. Unfortunately— Wow, that's nuts.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: I found the guy.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: This is just a video.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: I thought it might have been him, but it's not.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: But that one's nuts. That's an actual wingsuit, like a
• 1:58:33
  plain wing.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: And they got to the place where they could take
• 1:58:35
  this off from standing on the ground, Joe. Unfortunately, one
• 1:58:38
  of the innovators in that ended up dying. There is
• 1:58:41
  an altitude in airspeed where if you have an issue,
• 1:58:44
  you're not going to be able to deploy your parachute
• 1:58:45
  to save you, and he had an issue.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: At that altitude. Jeez. But yeah, who would have ever—
• 1:58:51
  That guy is up there with a plane. Show me
• 1:58:53
  that again, please. Yeah. That is insane.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: Would you ever do that?
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say would I. I mean, there's
• 1:59:02
  a time and a place— where I would do a
• 1:59:06
  lot of things.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: Because I 100% would do that.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: I bet you would. Now, does that guy have an
• 1:59:12
  engine on that thing?
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's little microjet engines. You can see them.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: How much fuel?
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: That's a good question. Like I said, they had gotten
• 1:59:19
  to a place where they could stand. So that wing
• 1:59:21
  kind of conforms around their skydiving parachute. I think there's
• 1:59:25
  four little jet engines. They got to a place where
• 1:59:27
  they were standing, cracking those things off and going vertical
• 1:59:30
  and then transitioning to the plate.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: And then I think landing them too.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: Landing them with the engine somehow?
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: Did they rotate? I mean, they are wearing a parachute.
• 1:59:43
  You know what? Maybe I might be misspeaking on that,
• 1:59:45
  but I know that they were taking off from a
• 1:59:47
  no airspeed standing there and just.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: That's nuts.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: Well, that's also, like I said, how one of the
• 1:59:53
  innovators died. It was in that phase, like a low altitude,
• 1:59:57
  low airspeed phase where nothing's.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: Really going to. I remember I did morning. I love this.
• 2:00:02
  What is it?
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: These are the jetpack racers.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. That's crazy. I've seen that, too. This is real,
• 2:00:08
  by the way, right?
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 4: Because it kind of looks fake.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: No, those are real, for sure. They actually have, there's
• 2:00:12
  a league, Jamie, of guys who race these things.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 4: How do we get them?
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: Add to cart on Amazon, for sure.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: How fast do you think these guys are going with
• 2:00:22
  these things? Whoa, and they can just land? Oh, that's wild.
• 2:00:25
  You can just fly to work. Bro, you have to
• 2:00:27
  have some fucking shoulder strength to do that.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I love how they're trying to show, like,
• 2:00:31
  this has, oh, look, incredible military application. Like, let's take
• 2:00:35
  it easy, okay?
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 3: It's got to be quiet, right?
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: Super quiet. Is there some support for your shoulders in there?
• 2:00:44
  It's not like you're doing a constant dip.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: I don't. Well, I think that the jet pack, so
• 2:00:49
  on his backpack, I believe that's putting some thrust out, too.
• 2:00:51
  The hands are as well. So it's a combination of
• 2:00:54
  the three.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: Because, like, how long can you hold a dip position?
• 2:00:58
  I don't know.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so here's the league. Look at these crazy– yeah,
• 2:01:00
  the backpack itself. Oh, getting fancy.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's crazy.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 4: But the ground is pushing back up on you on
• 2:01:08
  that situation, you know?
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: Bummer.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 4: You're doing a dip.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That's true.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: I feel like the backpack is doing the majority of it,
• 2:01:18
  like the Iron Man little hand things. I feel like
• 2:01:20
  that's just the stabilization.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 4: It doesn't seem that heavy.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, so the backpack is doing the most of it
• 2:01:24
  and the other things are just steering you a little.
• 2:01:27
  I think so.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: I have exactly zero seconds in one of these things,
• 2:01:31
  so this is me talking out of my ass.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: If there was enough lives, if you had multiple lives,
• 2:01:36
  I would do a lot of different things.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 4: That looks so fun.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: It does. Jamie, what could you put?
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: Look at this guy going up the mountain.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 4: Where's the parachute?
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, there is no parachute.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: Suck in the box, too.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, so there's no parachute.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 4: That's why you want to stay five feet off the ground.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: Look at this.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. This dude is flying to the top of this
• 2:01:54
  fucking cliff with that thing. Oh, that's bonkers.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 4: For sure this is like to save people or something.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: No, it's for fun. I agree with Joe more on
• 2:02:02
  that one. What do you think, like, how much time
• 2:02:05
  do you get in one of those to run out
• 2:02:06
  of fuel?
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Time enough to fill a motivational video
• 2:02:09
  like this.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: To me, I'd be- Gravity Industries. This is the company.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: I would be reverse engineering. Like, where is this in
• 2:02:17
  my Amazon cart? How do I possibly make enough money
• 2:02:20
  to have these sent to my house immediately?
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: What do you think one of those costs?
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: My guess would be six figures.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: So, professional. Shop. Entertainment shop.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, Jamie.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, click on that, bitch. Let's go. Suit up. Suit
• 2:02:34
  me up, motherfucker. Hold on.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: Let me get my credit card.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: Let's guess. Let's guess.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: 50 grand?
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: 100 grand?
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say six figures. Oh, they fooled us.
• 2:02:47
  You sons of bitches.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, clothes? You can only buy clothes?
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 4: You can't buy the thing on the website.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: Why can't you buy the fucking thing? Well, how much
• 2:02:55
  does the thing cost? Somebody must be able to buy it.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: 2,400 pounds for an experience.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 4: For half a day.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: So that's just to fly it.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: 1,000 horsepower, 1050 horsepower gravity jet suit.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: Whoa. So it's the same horsepower as a ZR1 Corvette.
• 2:03:12
  And it's on your back. Look at this. Yeah.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: First off, take that safety line off. Let's let people
• 2:03:16
  live their real life.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: That guy needs a safety line. Look at his neck. Yeah,
• 2:03:21
  let's search the price. So you think six figures. I
• 2:03:25
  would probably say that's probably accurate, especially when I saw
• 2:03:28
  it as 1,000 horsepower.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: Here's a better question. Are you willing to spend six
• 2:03:31
  figures to acquire one of those? I'm going to go
• 2:03:34
  in the hard yes category for myself. I'm not saying
• 2:03:38
  I got six figures laying around. I'm saying I will
• 2:03:40
  start a new career in the– Oh, no, that's not
• 2:03:44
  a good face, Jamie.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 4: It is in the six figures.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: Six?
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: But it's not the low. It's not the edge of
• 2:03:51
  six figures.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 3: 600?
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, roughly. That'd get one.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: $ 600, 000?
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: It says 440.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 4: Whoa.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: Is that in U.S.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 4: Dollars? Yeah, yes.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 4: Depending on configuration and stuff, too.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, what if you get it, like, maxed?
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 4: Well, it's not giving me options. I just kind of
• 2:04:07
  searched around.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: I think we're just going to get closer to the
• 2:04:09
  seven-figure number if we do that.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 4: They probably don't advertise how much it costs.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: Does it say how long you can stay in the
• 2:04:14
  air in that thing? Let's guess. I want to say
• 2:04:20
  30 minutes.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: I was going to guess under 10. Wow.
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I remember when I saw, I went on a
• 2:04:26
  radio station once and they had a guy who, what
• 2:04:29
  is it? One minute. One to four minutes. One to four.
• 2:04:32
  That's it? So what are they doing when they're flying
• 2:04:34
  up to that mountain?
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 4: Five to 10 if you are doing it carefully.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: Well, how the fuck did they get all the way
• 2:04:40
  to the mountain? How did they get down?
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 4: We only saw five seconds.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: Is there a gallon of gas up there at the
• 2:04:45
  top of that fucking mountain?
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: I'm way less enthusiastic about this purchase now.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that sucks. Yeah. 450 grand for a minute.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: So what makes me enthusiastic is that they're going to
• 2:04:54
  innovate and evolve this.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. One day. It'll be nuclear powered.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: Let's not get crazy.
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: It'll be. Yeah. It'll be cold fusion. It'll be an
• 2:05:02
  Iron Man machine.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: I mean I feel like we could do better things
• 2:05:05
  with that technology before the jet suit, but I'm totally
• 2:05:08
  in on the jet suit.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: Get an Iron Man suit. Like that's Iron Man, right?
• 2:05:12
  The hands. That's how he would fly.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: I mean that's kind of what they look like.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: Like it would come out of his feet and it
• 2:05:19
  would come out of his hands. I did a radio
• 2:05:22
  station once in Denver and they had a guy who
• 2:05:24
  did a jet pack thing in a parking lot. It
• 2:05:26
  was like a morning radio back in the day. And
• 2:05:30
  this guy, I think it could only last for 30 seconds.
• 2:05:33
  And this guy, he had two knee braces on because
• 2:05:35
  he had blown out both of his ACLs just landing
• 2:05:39
  and destroying his knees. But it was crazy to watch.
• 2:05:42
  It was crazy to watch. This guy took off and
• 2:05:44
  he flew around. But it was only for a few seconds.
• 2:05:46
  I think it's like a 30-second deal. After 30 seconds,
• 2:05:49
  it runs out of juice. I'm glad there are people.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: Like that out there. I appreciate their enthusiasm.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: There's always going to be, right? Yeah. There's always going
• 2:05:56
  to be someone.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 4: Very brief description of what it.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: Has in there a lot of jazz it honestly it
• 2:06:02
  is like what you're talking about so the hands like
• 2:06:04
  the iron man position so the back has a majority
• 2:06:07
  of the thrust right yeah i bet it heats your
• 2:06:10
  ass up something fierce yeah up to 56 miles per
• 2:06:13
  hour interesting 95 kilos i wonder how much faster you
• 2:06:16
  go with jet fuel well what.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: Does it normally use it says diesel or jet fuel
• 2:06:20
  jet fuel diesel or jet fuel that's weird.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: They're not that far off Or kerosene.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: But isn't that weird that one engine can burn those
• 2:06:27
  different types of fuel? That seems unusual.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 4: That's probably the configuration part where.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see. Right, right, right. Like, if you want
• 2:06:32
  a top-of-the-line one, you get jet fuel.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 4: Plaid version. Yeah.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: All right. I'll get one.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 4: I'll take one.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: Let's try it. Yeah. But is there legitimate military applications
• 2:06:43
  for something like that?
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: I can't really think of one.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: It's because it showed guys in fatigues that have landed
• 2:06:49
  on an aircraft carrier.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: I could show you videos of Guys in fatigues that
• 2:06:54
  end up banging each other. So it doesn't necessarily mean
• 2:06:56
  that– right? So let's just make– Is there a military
• 2:07:01
  application for that? Let's just say– that would be far fringe.
• 2:07:05
  I'm just saying the fatigues doesn't necessarily the qualifier of
• 2:07:08
  it being good utilization for the military.
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: So we only briefly touched on this Kandahar giant story.
• 2:07:16
  But were you ever in Kandahar?
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: I was down in the south.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: How remote is it?
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: Um, I mean, there's a large city there, town city.
• 2:07:27
  I don't know the difference between the two. It's relatively
• 2:07:29
  built up as far as Southern Afghanistan. It's going to be,
• 2:07:31
  you know, you have a cobble up North Kandahar is
• 2:07:33
  a bit down South cobble in the North. You're going
• 2:07:36
  to start looking at the exterior range of the Hindu Kush.
• 2:07:40
  Kandahar still has some topography, but you're looking at more
• 2:07:42
  of like a high desert terrain.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: And so there's caves and things along those lines. This
• 2:07:47
  is the idea that this thing lived in a cave.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, so yeah, it's, it's, There is topography
• 2:07:54
  that is there for sure.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: It– possible? I don't know. Well, the reason why people
• 2:08:00
  entertain this idea of giants at all is all a
• 2:08:04
  lot of it's biblical. It's like stories from the Bible
• 2:08:07
  and then also stories from ancient civilizations that talked about
• 2:08:11
  red haired giants, which is the weird thing about this
• 2:08:14
  thing had red hair. Like the Native Americans had tales
• 2:08:17
  of red haired giants that they fought off. Like there's
• 2:08:22
  a lot of people that believe that all these stories
• 2:08:25
  from antiquity about giants are all referring to an actual
• 2:08:29
  different race of humans. You know, like we are one
• 2:08:32
  race of humans, the Homo sapiens survived. But then there's
• 2:08:36
  also races of humans that didn't survive, like the Hobbit
• 2:08:40
  people from the island of Flores that they found out
• 2:08:43
  there was a branch of the human species that was
• 2:08:45
  like three feet tall, covered in hair, little tiny heads.
• 2:08:49
  But had tools and had weapons and.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: I think some of that stuff is real. I think
• 2:08:54
  sometimes though the stories, they're intentionally nesting a greater message
• 2:08:59
  through the vehicle of that story. So whether it's like
• 2:09:05
  accurate or not, it's more about the story that they
• 2:09:07
  are telling. And I'm not saying like the Kandahar giant
• 2:09:10
  has some story associated with it. But some of the
• 2:09:13
  older– like the civilizations and the stories that they tell,
• 2:09:15
  I think it's just a vehicle of– That they can
• 2:09:19
  nest something in there to create deeper thought. If that
• 2:09:23
  makes sense. It's what I see you guys doing as comedians.
• 2:09:27
  I've talked about this recently. It is interesting to me
• 2:09:31
  and I never paid attention to it. But I know
• 2:09:33
  he's a good friend of yours, Dave Chappelle. I watched
• 2:09:35
  his last special. The ability for comedians to nest inside
• 2:09:40
  of your set pretty impactful and powerful like societal conversations
• 2:09:45
  and ideas. And get people to laugh about it. But
• 2:09:48
  even when they're done laughing about it, they're going to
• 2:09:49
  be thinking about it when they're driving home. It's just
• 2:09:51
  the vehicle to get people thinking about stuff.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: Well, in terms of comedy, I agree. And Dave is
• 2:09:57
  one of the best of all time, if not the
• 2:09:59
  best at doing that. But what kind of nesting would
• 2:10:03
  you– you're talking about giants.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: It depends on the morals and ethos of that society.
• 2:10:09
  If they want to be a warrior society, you have
• 2:10:11
  to have something that you're constantly fighting or protecting yourself against.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: Whether that's real or you are nesting the morality of
• 2:10:18
  your society in that story, both could achieve the same
• 2:10:21
  end state.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: If there really was a giant and they really did
• 2:10:24
  kill this thing and then brought it back secretly, like
• 2:10:26
  what would be the purpose of that? Why wouldn't they–
• 2:10:29
  that's where I go. Like what would be the purpose
• 2:10:32
  of hiding the fact that this thing existed? I don't
• 2:10:35
  see why the government would hide the discovery of a giant.
• 2:10:39
  Like what military reason, what– national security reason would you
• 2:10:46
  have for hiding this the thing that this thing existed.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: At some level of objective skepticism and criticism or looking
• 2:10:55
  into these stories you get to that point of like
• 2:10:57
  who's benefiting from this and why yeah why would anybody
• 2:11:00
  actually go out of their way to put this much
• 2:11:01
  effort into obscure something like.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: That yeah that's how i feel about giants but when
• 2:11:08
  it comes to ufos it makes more sense to me
• 2:11:11
  because then you have something that's insanely advanced much more
• 2:11:15
  advanced than us and so i had this guy hal
• 2:11:18
  put off on my show he's a physicist very brilliant
• 2:11:21
  guy and he's been around forever and during um was
• 2:11:27
  george w or herbert walker one of the bushes um
• 2:11:33
  they brought him and a team of specialists in and
• 2:11:37
  they said we are contemplating disclosure and that we have
• 2:11:43
  not just acquired crashed vehicles that are of non-human origin,
• 2:11:50
  but also we have biological remains of these creatures. We
• 2:11:55
  want you to write down pros and cons of the
• 2:11:59
  impact of these things and put a numerical value. Put
• 2:12:02
  a numerical value in terms of impact on government, impact
• 2:12:06
  on religion, impact on All these different things. And universally,
• 2:12:12
  all of them came out with more cons than pros.
• 2:12:15
  The numbers didn't line up and they made a decision
• 2:12:18
  to not disclose. This is according to this Hal Puthoff guy.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 2: I could see that being the case.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: I could see that being the case too if it
• 2:12:25
  was true. The UFO thing, there's just too many stories
• 2:12:29
  for me to openly dismiss all of them. Even though
• 2:12:32
  I have had no experiences– There's too many stories. There's
• 2:12:36
  too much weirdness to it.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: How about just given the size of the known universe
• 2:12:40
  and the fact it keeps expanding, what is the mathematical
• 2:12:42
  odds that we are completely the only thing out there?
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: Exactly. So this is like sort of the same argument
• 2:12:49
  that people used to use for Bigfoot. Like the wilderness
• 2:12:52
  is so vast. The Pacific Northwest is so dense. There
• 2:12:57
  could be something out there that we haven't documented. Well,
• 2:13:00
  the problem is now we kind of have and now
• 2:13:02
  we kind of know that with all these camera traps
• 2:13:04
  and all these different things, it's very, very, very, very
• 2:13:07
  unlikely that any of these stories are true. But when
• 2:13:09
  you get to the universe, it's like, come on. It's
• 2:13:13
  way more likely that we're not alone than we are alone.
• 2:13:17
  If we are alone, that's kind of insane. I mean
• 2:13:20
  it's kind of incredible. If this is the only place
• 2:13:24
  where intelligent life is formed, I think if that's the case,
• 2:13:27
  we're missing something. We're missing something about the nature of consciousness.
• 2:13:31
  We're missing something about what consciousness actually is, like what
• 2:13:34
  is our actual role in the universe. It might be
• 2:13:38
  more complex than we initially believe.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: I think disclosure that we aren't alone would have a
• 2:13:47
  net benefit to society globally.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: We spend a.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: Lot of time pecking back and forth at each other
• 2:13:54
  and fighting each other. If you got sat down and
• 2:13:57
  be like, listen– we have a global issue now that
• 2:14:03
  everybody is impacted by this. As much of the biggest
• 2:14:05
  swinging dick you think you are on this planet, guess what?
• 2:14:08
  You're nothing in comparison to this. I think it would
• 2:14:10
  have a net calming effect. Maybe not instantaneously, but overall,
• 2:14:16
  I think that that would be the net effect of it.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: Perhaps. The real problem is, like all things, someone's going
• 2:14:21
  to take advantage of it.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: But I think that if so, let's just say it
• 2:14:25
  is real. I think that's already happening. Like the US–
• 2:14:28
  if that's real, the US is not the only country
• 2:14:32
  that has agreed not to disclose because it is to
• 2:14:34
  their benefit not to do so. Like these things– Russia
• 2:14:38
  has a crash program. I'm sure China does as well
• 2:14:40
  too and I'm sure that everybody to include the US
• 2:14:42
  is trying to reverse engineer these things for our benefit
• 2:14:45
  as fast as humanly possible.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: So … I think if that– if it is true,
• 2:14:50
  that is the case and that's the Bob Lazar story.
• 2:14:52
  There's a great documentary that's out now called S4 that's
• 2:14:55
  about Bob Lazar. I had him on again for the
• 2:14:57
  second time. I don't want to believe him. I want
• 2:15:02
  to think he's a bullshit artist, but I believe him.
• 2:15:05
  There's something about one guy who's a clearly brilliant guy
• 2:15:10
  who's been telling the same story since 1988. Yeah.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: And like you said, a volume of other stories. Some
• 2:15:17
  of them I think you can completely write off. But
• 2:15:19
  other ones– Pretty tough from pretty credible people who aren't
• 2:15:24
  making claims like, hey, I sat down and had a
• 2:15:27
  beer with this thing. But like I was in an
• 2:15:29
  aircraft that has a certain performance envelope and we understand
• 2:15:32
  the performance envelope of what humans are able to fly
• 2:15:35
  at this point. And yeah, this thing did things that
• 2:15:38
  I don't understand. Sometimes the videos get– I mean I
• 2:15:41
  was talking with– you know Bill Thompson. You just had
• 2:15:44
  him on.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: Love that dude.
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: He is like– he's one of my favorite people. You
• 2:15:49
  got to be cautious. How deep of a question you
• 2:15:52
  ask him.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: Because he has national defense level autism at times. DEFCON 5.
• 2:15:59
  You're like, Bill, what's your favorite color? He's like, oh,
• 2:16:02
  what is color? Like, fuck, no, that's not what I meant.
• 2:16:07
  But we were having this conversation and his background is fascinating.
• 2:16:10
  And what's even more fascinating is what he's done with
• 2:16:12
  his background and what he built from Spartan Forge with that.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: And his ethics. Correct.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: Correct. But he was talking about some of the videos.
• 2:16:20
  He understands technological things and he can look at stuff
• 2:16:23
  and be like, that's the parallax of two moving objects
• 2:16:25
  and how a lens works. Not many people understand those things,
• 2:16:29
  to include myself many times when I'm talking with Mr. Bill. But,
• 2:16:33
  I mean, he– God, he's a national treasure.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: He really is.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: He is.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: That was one of the ones where I dipped into
• 2:16:39
  the comments on YouTube because I just wanted to know
• 2:16:42
  how people were going to react to him. Yeah. What
• 2:16:44
  did they say?
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: Loved him.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: Loved him as universal praise for how brilliant he is.
• 2:16:51
  And I'm like, there's only one way they're going to respond.
• 2:16:53
  I'm like, if you don't like this guy, like you're
• 2:16:56
  listening to the wrong show.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: Have you seen what he's done with the app he created?
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: It's incredible. It's an amazing app.
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: It's 20 plus years of targeting and intelligence gathering packaged
• 2:17:06
  into something that's consumer facing that if you're into hunting.
• 2:17:10
  Holy shit.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: And what kind of a super genius is going to
• 2:17:12
  get involved in a hunting app like that?
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: Captain America of autism. I love you, Bill, but let's
• 2:17:21
  be honest.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: He's brilliant on another level. I remember the first conversation
• 2:17:26
  I had with him. I was like, oh, okay. There's
• 2:17:29
  people that you talk to. Whenever someone says, oh, Joe,
• 2:17:33
  you're so smart, I'm like, settle down. No, no, no.
• 2:17:36
  I'm smart compared to you. I'm smart compared to some people,
• 2:17:41
  but I know real smart people.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a stark difference.
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: A giant leap, a chasm. Yeah. A fucking an ocean
• 2:17:52
  to cross before you reach like levels like Bill or
• 2:17:57
  Elon or some of these people. It's just like the
• 2:18:00
  amount of processing power they have. Yeah. You know, I
• 2:18:04
  have a Honda Civic brain. And these motherfuckers have a
• 2:18:08
  Corvette ZR1. I usually go with I have an IQ
• 2:18:11
  that you can find on a thermostat.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's like the winter, but maybe it's
• 2:18:16
  a little bit close to a hot summer day. Now,
• 2:18:19
  I wish I had the ability to build stuff like that.
• 2:18:22
  Like I use that app to hunt, but most of
• 2:18:23
  the time I use it when I'm flying my helicopter around.
• 2:18:26
  Because it is like the terrain analysis, the ability to
• 2:18:28
  look at stuff, the LIDAR, the way that you can
• 2:18:30
  look through foliage. Again, I'm just– I'm deeply appreciative that
• 2:18:34
  people like that exist.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: And again, with the ethics that he has. He will
• 2:18:37
  not sell your fucking email. He's been offered a lot
• 2:18:40
  of money to sell all the– that's the thing that
• 2:18:43
  companies do. You sign up for something. You use your email.
• 2:18:46
  Your email goes on the list. I'm sure if you
• 2:18:48
  ever opened up one of your email accounts and looked
• 2:18:51
  through the filters, like all the spam and promotional shit.
• 2:18:54
  It's like years and years of garbage.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: In addition to the email stuff, I know Bill has
• 2:19:00
  become a very good friend. He's been offered money to
• 2:19:03
  do a lot of things and his morality has stayed
• 2:19:07
  true throughout, which– and again, like those things are his
• 2:19:11
  to talk about if he ever wants to. But as
• 2:19:13
  somebody who knows him and appreciates that, I wish there
• 2:19:15
  were more people like that. Yes.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 1: It's just very difficult to become a guy like that.
• 2:19:20
  It's a long road to be that guy. Yeah. I
• 2:19:24
  think because of what's going on in Iran, it would
• 2:19:27
  be good to talk to you about this because you're
• 2:19:29
  a guy who kind of understands things in terms of
• 2:19:31
  like geopolitics more than the average person.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: Listen, I can find Iran on a map, okay? That
• 2:19:36
  doesn't mean I understand geopolitics.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: I know. You're very– you're humble.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: But– Well, my operational experience was at a low– meaning
• 2:19:45
  on like– so there's strategic war, operational war. But those
• 2:19:48
  are– that's air I never was in the room for.
• 2:19:50
  I didn't breathe that air. I'm not having– I wasn't
• 2:19:53
  invited rightfully so to planning meetings where they were talking
• 2:19:55
  about the defense policy of the United States or going
• 2:19:58
  into a country. I was down like, hey– We found
• 2:20:02
  this dude. We know where he's at.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: Go get him.
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: We can't figure out how to go get him. Why
• 2:20:07
  don't you guys go give it a little look-see? That
• 2:20:08
  was the level that I operated at.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, one of the things that was discussed was
• 2:20:15
  sending a bunch of operators in to go retrieve depleted uranium. Yeah.
• 2:20:20
  Do you think they tried that?
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, as a part of the rescue?
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There seems to be a lot of ships, a
• 2:20:27
  lot of crafts.
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: Well, okay. So- Yes, but– OK. So we can unpack
• 2:20:35
  this one a little bit. So this is back to
• 2:20:36
  the F-15 weapons systems officer that ejected. That was a
• 2:20:41
  C-STAR or combat search and rescue operation where they surged
• 2:20:44
  forward a lot of stuff.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: And then Operation– or the ghost murmur?
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: Stop it right now.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: You stop it right now, Joe. You don't know what
• 2:20:50
  that is?
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 1: Do you believe in that?
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: Joe, I want it to be true.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: Right. Me too.
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: I want them to be able to identify somebody. From
• 2:20:59
  a heartbeat.
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 1: From 40 miles away.
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: From 40 miles away. If that technology existed and we're
• 2:21:04
  not using that to help our own populace find people
• 2:21:06
  that are lost in the woods, we're a bunch of
• 2:21:08
  fucking assholes.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: So like let's not maybe tell people what we're doing,
• 2:21:12
  but you could have a specialist in a search and
• 2:21:14
  rescue helicopter that could maybe use that and be like, oh,
• 2:21:16
  we saw them in a field when you didn't actually see.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: So because that doesn't happen, I think it's plausible. I
• 2:21:23
  don't– it's possible. I don't know if it's plausible.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: That's how we felt. Me and Jamie were both going, oh.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: So– but then you can go old school, which is
• 2:21:31
  sending in monkeys with machine guns like what I used
• 2:21:35
  to do with a PJ or multiple PJs, pararescue jumpers,
• 2:21:37
  because those are the guys– this is the way I
• 2:21:40
  describe PJs. If you want to put a hole in something,
• 2:21:42
  JSOC guys are great at it. If you want to
• 2:21:44
  plug a hole, PJs are the guys that you want
• 2:21:46
  on top of you just stopping hydraulic fluid. They're medical,
• 2:21:50
  just absolute badasses. Nothing but immense respect for them. So–
• 2:21:54
  The two cargo aircraft came in. They pulled the Little
• 2:21:57
  Birds out. I believe that there was four. You could
• 2:22:00
  only fit probably, man, even if they were super light
• 2:22:02
  on fuel, probably three guys on each pod. So six
• 2:22:05
  guys per helicopter, 24 guys. Some of those are going
• 2:22:07
  to have to be PJs. I don't know if that's
• 2:22:10
  enough to go into a hardened facility in the daytime also,
• 2:22:15
  which is not when you would do that for retrieving
• 2:22:18
  depleted uranium. Because by the way, to do that, you're
• 2:22:21
  going to be in full protective equipment very likely. Which
• 2:22:24
  you're going to be moving incredibly slow. I just– I
• 2:22:28
  know it was– I know that geographically it was proximal
• 2:22:30
  to one of the locations that they thought that that
• 2:22:32
  was what was going on. I think it probably was
• 2:22:35
  a rescue of the weapons systems officer is my guess.
• 2:22:39
  And then they're like, well, we can't get the aircraft
• 2:22:42
  because they got stuck in the sand.
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, OK. OK.
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: The little birds don't have the fuel storage and ability
• 2:22:48
  to get across where they needed to go. So they
• 2:22:49
  had to bring in other aircraft. And you don't want
• 2:22:51
  to leave that stuff.
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 1: Right. So you've got to detonate it.
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they bip it or blow it in place.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: How many aircrafts did they lose?
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 2: So what has been, I think, disclosed was the four MH-6s,
• 2:23:03
  which are the little birds that carry the people. The
• 2:23:05
  two aircraft that brought those in, I think there was
• 2:23:08
  some version of a C-130. And I think that was
• 2:23:11
  it as far as that operation. There might have been
• 2:23:13
  a Predator or a Reaper drone that was shot down.
• 2:23:15
  I think some A-10s were damaged. And then, of course,
• 2:23:17
  the F-15 that was ejected from.
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: Wow. It's a lot. It's a lot of stuff.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: It is a lot of stuff. But the military asks
• 2:23:25
  people to do exceptional things. And it helps you if
• 2:23:28
  you know that they are going to send everything that
• 2:23:31
  they have to come and get you if something goes wrong.
• 2:23:35
  It has to mean something to be issued a flag
• 2:23:37
  on your chest, in my opinion at least. And as
• 2:23:39
  far as those operations go, there's basically two where you
• 2:23:41
  are going to absorb as the people responding an immense
• 2:23:44
  amount of risk. One of them is going to be
• 2:23:46
  a hostage rescue, which I was a part of. We
• 2:23:48
  talked about that on a previous episode, the Jessica Lynch rescue.
• 2:23:51
  The number of people we thought we might encounter was
• 2:23:54
  a way bigger number than the number of people that
• 2:23:56
  we could get there in the helicopters. But you go
• 2:23:58
  anyway because of the chance of rescuing somebody. Combat search
• 2:24:02
  and rescue, kind of the same thing. Maybe it's not
• 2:24:04
  a hostage situation, but it could be building towards that.
• 2:24:07
  I mean maybe you don't have time to go at night,
• 2:24:10
  which is when you have all the tactical and technological advantage, right?
• 2:24:13
  The night vision goggles.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 2: It's like, hey, we got to go now in the daytime.
• 2:24:17
  We're going to level the technological playing field and you
• 2:24:19
  guys are going to go full back dive and get–
• 2:24:21
  like that's very high risk. Those are about the two
• 2:24:24
  times that you are going to accept that level of
• 2:24:26
  risk and you go when you go.
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I wanted to ask you. So the
• 2:24:29
  official story seems to.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: Track– It is more plausible to me than any of
• 2:24:35
  the other stories that I have heard. I would like
• 2:24:37
  to think that the ghost murmur, whatever it is. But
• 2:24:41
  then it's like, OK, I mean, walk in the dog
• 2:24:43
  on that one. Did this guy have to sit down and,
• 2:24:46
  you know, get an EKG and have his heart wave,
• 2:24:50
  you know, HRV on file somewhere? Because how would you
• 2:24:53
  not pick up somebody else's heart rate?
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 2: How would you not pick up other animals or mammals
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  that like, you know what I mean? So I want
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  to believe I think we'll probably get there. I don't
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  think we're there yet.
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  Speaker 1: Was that an official story?
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 2: No, that's a Twitter story.
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  Speaker 1: Are you sure?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I first saw it on Twitter, so.
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  Speaker 1: I did, too. But, well, someone sent it to me.
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  I didn't actually actively seek it out. Somebody sent it
• 2:25:17
  to me, and I was like, wait, what? And then
• 2:25:19
  me and Jamie threw it around for a while.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: The internet is the best worst thing ever.
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  Speaker 3: It was getting spread around by New York Post, and
• 2:25:25
  then the same article was getting repeated everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting. New York Post.
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  Speaker 4: Have it on the screen.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Ghost murmur. I mean, I would imagine, I bet you
• 2:25:35
  Lockheed Martin does have a program called Ghost Murmur.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 1: Long-range quantum magnetometry.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 4: But I'm looking at articles, so.
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  Speaker 1: Diamond-based sensors.
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 3: I think Iran was saying that we tried to do
• 2:25:49
  the snatching of the uranium.
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 4: But they foiled us. So it's like, oh, who knows
• 2:25:56
  what side of the story to believe.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: Right. That is part of the problem. And, you know,
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  you got... Your Fox News narrative and your MSNBC narrative
• 2:26:04
  and who fucking knows. Yeah.
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 2: Separating the bullshit in the modern era is more like
• 2:26:14
  an art form than a science.
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's very confusing and it's very disconcerting to just
• 2:26:22
  have no– and then also they can't tell you certain things.
• 2:26:26
  Like why would the general public know? about things that
• 2:26:30
  could affect negatively national security. Like why? Why would they
• 2:26:34
  tell you? They can't tell you, which is also part
• 2:26:36
  of the problem with they're allowed to lie. They're allowed
• 2:26:39
  to use propaganda and misinformation on the American people in
• 2:26:45
  the interest of national security. So that's like– It would
• 2:26:47
  just be better.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 2: I would appreciate it more. They're like, listen, this is
• 2:26:50
  what we can tell you and then this– beyond this
• 2:26:52
  is a matter of national security. So as much as
• 2:26:53
  you want to know, we can't tell you. I'd prefer
• 2:26:56
  that over a BS story that gets– it's like a
• 2:26:58
  really sticky idea that then gets totally out of control
• 2:27:01
  and then people have a three-piece tinfoil tuxedo on walking
• 2:27:05
  down Main Street.
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 1: But it's just super weird that there might be something
• 2:27:09
  like ghost murmur. There might be something called quantum magnetometry
• 2:27:15
  with diamond sensors. I bet that's real.
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: I bet it works out. I mean they're probably testing
• 2:27:19
  it on mice. I mean I'm sure that the concept
• 2:27:21
  is valid.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: Well, you got your– President Trump. It told the Post
• 2:27:27
  the CIA's secret new ghost bomber tool was very important
• 2:27:31
  to rescuing a downed airman inside Iran. As leading physicists
• 2:27:35
  and engineers debate how the futuristic technology said to detect
• 2:27:38
  heartbeats at great distances might work.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 4: So I guess the Post didn't make it up.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 1: They were turned by Trump.
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know if everything he says is accurate. Just
• 2:27:50
  to throw that out there.
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 1: Hey, who knows?
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: Gets a little loose and fast sometimes with the details
• 2:27:59
  and reality.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: It's just crazy that that kind of technology is even
• 2:28:03
  being contemplated, that there might be a future where that exists.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, that makes total sense to me.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 1: So they can find you based on your heart rate. Well,
• 2:28:11
  they now know that they can use Wi-Fi in order
• 2:28:16
  to see 3D objects in motion in a house.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they can map– yeah. I mean it's– well, I
• 2:28:23
  mean again– I think Evan and I had an argument
• 2:28:26
  one time about radar and sonar, and we were both
• 2:28:28
  calling each other idiots, and we both found out that
• 2:28:29
  we were wrong once we looked it up on the internet.
• 2:28:31
  So we'll say it's some version of that. God, we
• 2:28:33
  were both 100% committed that we were correct and we
• 2:28:36
  were both wrong, which is classic. But yeah, like in
• 2:28:39
  this room, the things that are emanating, there's an ability
• 2:28:41
  for them to map that and determine maybe not who
• 2:28:45
  you are, but I bet you it gets to that
• 2:28:47
  point and where you are. And you want to talk
• 2:28:48
  about a tactically beneficial piece of information from somebody like
• 2:28:52
  my old job? Thank you very much.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take that all day.
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 1: As long as it stays out of the hands of
• 2:28:58
  the enemy. Yeah.
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 2: But then they'll eventually get it and then you'll evolve
• 2:29:03
  and your tactics will change and that's the game, man.
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: It's just it gets to a point with technology where
• 2:29:08
  it's like what is not possible 100 years from now?
• 2:29:13
  That's what's weird. Like we are in one of the
• 2:29:15
  strangest times ever in human history in terms of These
• 2:29:19
  quantum computers that can solve mathematical– like Marc Andreessen explained
• 2:29:23
  it to me and I'm going to paraphrase it. I'll
• 2:29:26
  probably fuck it up. But he said that a quantum
• 2:29:28
  computer can solve an equation in a matter of minutes
• 2:29:33
  that if you converted the entire universe, every atom in
• 2:29:36
  the universe into a supercomputer, the universe would die of
• 2:29:41
  heat death before it could solve this problem. And a
• 2:29:45
  quantum computer on earth can solve it in a matter
• 2:29:48
  of minutes.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 2: I don't even– I mean obviously– like I understand every
• 2:29:52
  word that you just used. Right. But I don't understand
• 2:29:56
  what that means.
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 2: And what it is capable of.
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, they think that it might be evidence of
• 2:30:02
  somehow or another evidence of multiple dimensions of a multiverse
• 2:30:09
  and that not only is this quantum computer operating in
• 2:30:13
  this universe but in an infinite number of other universes. Right. Simultaneously.
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 2: I like the Doctor Strange movies.
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 1: I'm in. Oh, the multiverse.
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, to me, that might as well be- I
• 2:30:25
  think they started it with Spider-Man. That might as well
• 2:30:26
  be a scientific documentary because that's my reference for the multiverse.
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 1: Right. I guess we shouldn't even talk about it because
• 2:30:33
  we don't know what we're saying.
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 2: It's never stopped me before.
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 1: But it's one of those things where it's like quantum
• 2:30:38
  computers are real. It's an actual real thing now. Google, specifically,
• 2:30:43
  Hermut Nevin- who leads Google Quantum AI, has recently used
• 2:30:47
  language that strongly suggests their new quantum chip speed could
• 2:30:51
  be understood as borrowing computational power from other universes. But
• 2:30:57
  this is an interpretive, speculative way of talking about quantum mechanics,
• 2:31:01
  not an experimentally established fact or a standard claim. The
• 2:31:06
  claim comes from a December 2024 blog post About Google's
• 2:31:10
  Willow quantum chip, Nevin wrote that the chip solved a
• 2:31:13
  task in minutes that would take a classical supercomputer about
• 2:31:17
  10 to the 25th power years, far longer than the
• 2:31:22
  age of the universe.
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 2: Again, I understand every word you just used, but I
• 2:31:28
  don't understand.
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 1: What that means. Stop scrolling. Go back up. He then
• 2:31:30
  said this lends credence to the notion that quantum computation
• 2:31:34
  occurs in many parallel universes. And that this aligns with
• 2:31:37
  the idea that we live in a multiverse explicitly referencing
• 2:31:42
  David Deutsch's many worlds argument for quantum computing. Yeah, right.
• 2:31:46
  We're too dumb to have this conversation. That's where we
• 2:31:49
  need to get Bill on speakerphone.
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: Bill?
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 1: Bill, explain this.
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 2: The problem is he'd be like– Yeah.
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 1: And then– And then the show would be five hours long.
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 2: Well, and then I would also understand the words that
• 2:32:00
  he was using but not in the combination and sequence
• 2:32:02
  that he would use them.
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly.
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 2: I'm just appreciative– That he exists.
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm appreciative that there's people like that out there.
• 2:32:10
  Your book, Drown Proof, I assume this is in normal
• 2:32:13
  language that a normal person like you and I could
• 2:32:15
  read and understand?
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 2: Well, considering that I wrote it, we did not use
• 2:32:20
  a lot of multi-syllable words. A lot of ands and
• 2:32:22
  thus are in there.
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure it's awesome. Look, you got Jocko, Jack Carr,
• 2:32:29
  and me giving you blurbs on the cover, so it's
• 2:32:31
  got to be good.
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 2: So at some point, it doesn't have to be now.
• 2:32:34
  But I essentially wrote in the inscription and I mean
• 2:32:37
  this from the bottom of my heart. My life would
• 2:32:40
  not look the way it does had you and I
• 2:32:41
  not randomly met through Tate Fletcher. Like my post-military life
• 2:32:45
  would look completely different and I have no ability to
• 2:32:50
  like pay you back for how gracious you've been with
• 2:32:53
  like your time and your platform.
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 1: It's a two-way street because your presence on my show
• 2:33:00
  has enriched my show. It's made the show better for sure.
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 2: Well, my promise is that I will do the best
• 2:33:05
  I can to be a positive impact on the world
• 2:33:07
  around me. I think that's the best way that I
• 2:33:09
  can try to pay you back. And honestly, it's the
• 2:33:11
  reason why I wrote that in the first place. So
• 2:33:14
  that's all I can do.
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 1: It's my pleasure. And I try to do the exact
• 2:33:17
  same thing. And shout out to my boy, Tate Flesher.
• 2:33:19
  I haven't seen that guy in forever.
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 2: He's the best.
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 1: I love him. All right. I love you too. Thank
• 2:33:24
  you very much. Thanks for being here. And Drown Proof,
• 2:33:26
  did you read the audio book? I did.
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 2: After that experience, let me tell you, voice actors... I
• 2:33:33
  struggle with it enough as the person who wrote the words.
• 2:33:36
  I can't even fathom what it would be like going
• 2:33:38
  in there blind and like, well, let's just figure this
• 2:33:41
  out as we go.
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a tough gig. Yeah. There's a reason why
• 2:33:44
  they– Yeah.
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 2: Jocko wrote and read the foreword.
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 1: That was amazing. Beautiful. All right. That's it. Go get it, folks.
• 2:33:52
  It's out now. All right.
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 2: Bye, everybody.
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 1: See you.