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Perspectives - Tom Coughlin · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: The following presentation of the Jaguars podcast Network is presented
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  Speaker 1: by a bi star credit. A football coach would be
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  Speaker 1: the first to tell you it's never about one guy
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  Speaker 1: win or lose. The game rarely rests on a single
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  Speaker 1: play or single player. But some men do stand above
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  Speaker 1: their contemporaries. Some are just better at what they do,
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  Speaker 1: Some work harder than those around them, and some leave
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  Speaker 1: a more lasting impact, a mark that bears witness to
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  Speaker 1: little legacy. This is Perspectives, a look back at the
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  Speaker 1: first twenty five years of the Jacksonville Jaguars through the
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  Speaker 1: eyes of the people who built the NFL's thirty franchise
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  Speaker 1: from the ground up. This is Tom Coughlin. Coach Conflin
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  Speaker 1: checks all of those boxes, which is exactly why he
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  Speaker 1: was Blaine Weaver's choice to build the Jaguars. He is
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  Speaker 1: excellent football coach. No one in football works with as
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  Speaker 1: much energy for as many hours as he does, and
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  Speaker 1: no one, no one cares as deeply as Tom about
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  Speaker 1: doing things the right way. You know, whenever you're a
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  Speaker 1: head coach, it's you. You know, it's your you, and
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  Speaker 1: it's probably to a fault from me, all right, because
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  Speaker 1: I've always felt, and I felt here longly so, but
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  Speaker 1: I felt this was my teeth, this was my team
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  Speaker 1: because I was given that responsibility by Mr Weaver. This
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  Speaker 1: was new ground for a man who had coached at
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  Speaker 1: the highest level of college and professional football for story
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  Speaker 1: programs like the Giants, the Packers, and the Eagles. Putting
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  Speaker 1: together an NFL franchise wasn't in Coughlin's background, but he
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  Speaker 1: wasn't completely unprepared for the task. Nothing anywhere that I
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  Speaker 1: could read about how people did things, because obviously those
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  Speaker 1: are some of the oldest in the history of the
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  Speaker 1: National Football League. So what really helped me, which is
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  Speaker 1: an interesting thing. When I I graduated from college, okay,
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  Speaker 1: at Syracuse University, I came back, uh in the master's program,
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  Speaker 1: and I was what they called a graduate assistant coach,
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  Speaker 1: and I helped coach a freshman team. At Syracuse there
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  Speaker 1: were still freshman teams and varsity teams. I got my degree.
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  Speaker 1: I took like fifteen credit hours in the spring, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, which was heavy for graduate school. But I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to be done. I interviewed for a job at
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  Speaker 1: Rochester Institute of Technology. Rochester Institute of Technology had been
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  Speaker 1: playing club football for like two years. Okay, they wanted
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  Speaker 1: someone to come in. They wanted, uh someone to be
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  Speaker 1: an assistant coach for a year, take over the second year,
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  Speaker 1: and then build the program into a varsity program and
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  Speaker 1: it would compete in what they called the Dependent Collegiate
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  Speaker 1: Athletic Conference, which was quite frankly for Division three was
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  Speaker 1: loaded Alfred Hobart St. Lawrence Ithaca College. You know, really
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  Speaker 1: really good, good small college football teams. So when I
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  Speaker 1: came in, I was a secondary coach. I coached the
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  Speaker 1: defense on the secondary side of the ball for one year.
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  Speaker 1: Then I became the head football coach. And little did
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  Speaker 1: I know that what came with that was everything under
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  Speaker 1: the sun. In other words, I was the person who
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to collect the football team. I was supposed
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  Speaker 1: to coach the football team. I was supposed to figure
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  Speaker 1: out how to run a training camp and house the
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  Speaker 1: football team. I was supposed to make a schedule. I
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  Speaker 1: was to establish all the traveling needs, the hotels, the buses,
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  Speaker 1: all of those things. I had to hire assistant coaches
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  Speaker 1: who were not going to be full time, they were
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  Speaker 1: going to be part time. I had to uh have
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  Speaker 1: something to say about how the football field was lined,
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  Speaker 1: how the grass was cut, how we wanted to do that.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of years later, we moved over to a
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  Speaker 1: prime field in the middle of campus, which was a
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  Speaker 1: soccer field that we had become a head, an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: then to play in front of bigger crowds and that
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  Speaker 1: type of thing. Uh, And I would still I can
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  Speaker 1: remember pounding post in the ground while the opponent drove
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  Speaker 1: up in his bus, you know, and then what are
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  Speaker 1: you doing out there doing? What's it looked like I'm doing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm I'm getting ropes together so we
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  Speaker 1: can have a game and not have everybody feel. What
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to say, is uh the organizational part,
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  Speaker 1: the putting things together part, how things came into play.
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  Speaker 1: What was the strategy? Certainly, Brian, it was not as
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  Speaker 1: sophisticated as would be the case when I came to
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville the first time in the spring of ninety four,
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  Speaker 1: but it gave me an advantage because I had seen
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  Speaker 1: it from Rochester to Boston College. Coughlin built his career
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  Speaker 1: as an assistant coach, an offensive coordinator, and finally the
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  Speaker 1: head coach. His signature win a stunning defeat a number
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  Speaker 1: one Notre Dame in South Bend with the ball of
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  Speaker 1: caught the attention of many in pro football, including an
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  Speaker 1: upstar group in North Florida when David Selden and Wayne
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  Speaker 1: Weaver came came calling. First of all, um, we met
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  Speaker 1: when we met in the Providence, and I was I
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  Speaker 1: lived in Walpole, mass which was maybe a half hour away.
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  Speaker 1: So I drove down and I told Judy when I left,
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  Speaker 1: I said, I'll be back in an hour. This isn't
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing going to be to this. This is But
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  Speaker 1: the interview got real serious, real fast, because my the
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  Speaker 1: original phone call that was made to me, Uh, my
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  Speaker 1: exact comment was, well, how many people do you have
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  Speaker 1: involved in the job, and they Selden said five. I said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not interested. He said what do you mean. I said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not interested? There was five. You know, you got
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  Speaker 1: plenty of people, and you don't. I mean, I just
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  Speaker 1: finished a bowl game. We recruited in the top twenty
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  Speaker 1: in the country, and you know, I was pretty happy
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  Speaker 1: where I was. So he said, can I call you back?
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  Speaker 1: And I said, call me back anytime, but I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna be interested. And he said, okay, So he
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  Speaker 1: called me back two weeks later, and he said, would
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  Speaker 1: you be interested if I told you there were two
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  Speaker 1: and you were one of them. I said, well, that's
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  Speaker 1: a little different story. So I thought, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I can listen to anybody and so on.
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  Speaker 1: So I told Judy I'll be gone an hour. Meeting
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  Speaker 1: started at eight. I was home at eleven. I supposedly
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  Speaker 1: she turned to Brian's son, Brian, when I left and
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  Speaker 1: she said, okay, Brian, get the map out, where's Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 1: One of those deals, you know. So but when the
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  Speaker 1: opportunity came to come here to Jacksonville, I was hired.
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  Speaker 1: I think I was the seventh employee. I say, I am.
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  Speaker 1: There might have been more, but I think that was
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  Speaker 1: what it was. And I had a chance to listen
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  Speaker 1: to what, um Mr Weaver I had in mind, and
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  Speaker 1: I could set up my own calendar for when people
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  Speaker 1: would come on board, and so I put a lot
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  Speaker 1: of thought into that. Obviously I needed a personnel staff
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  Speaker 1: right away, you know, so I put my mind to
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  Speaker 1: work on that. So I literally had a I hired
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  Speaker 1: everybody who touched football, so I you know, the trainers, um,
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  Speaker 1: the as I said, UM, the personnel side of the ball.
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  Speaker 1: UM certainly the coaching staff. UM. I hired them all okay,
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  Speaker 1: and I had a timely way in which I would
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  Speaker 1: go about that. And the very first season for us UM,
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  Speaker 1: when we didn't have a team, we acted like we
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  Speaker 1: had a team. We had game plans on Monday and Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: we traveled the country, went to a college game on Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: went to a pro game on Sunday. I had a
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  Speaker 1: personnel staff in place. We had a mock draft for
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  Speaker 1: the expansion draft. We had a mock draft that went
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  Speaker 1: along with the NFL draft in the spring. We did
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  Speaker 1: it all. We did it all so that we had
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  Speaker 1: gone through this prior to being under the gun and
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  Speaker 1: having to make those decisions that counted. So we did
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  Speaker 1: it all. I brought some of my coaches from Boston College,
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  Speaker 1: not all. I put them right to work immediately UM
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  Speaker 1: and they would do the same thing I did beyond
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  Speaker 1: the road on weekends, etcetera, etcetera. And then hired the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the staff immediately following the season. I was
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  Speaker 1: really fortunate that a number of my friends who were
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  Speaker 1: outstanding NFL coaches invited me to go to their camp,
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  Speaker 1: so I would travel around the League in the summer,
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  Speaker 1: just like I, you know, studying and watching how people
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  Speaker 1: did things, keeping tracking things and so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 1: That's where the Mark Burnell tip came in. And uh So,
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  Speaker 1: all of these things, all everything that I always say this, Brian,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you live you you you learn as if
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna live forever, okay, and you live as if
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna die tomorrow. So I've always thought, I don't
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  Speaker 1: care how old you are. What you better be learning
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  Speaker 1: all the time. You better be studying, You better be
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  Speaker 1: understanding the changes. You better be adjusting, you better be
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  Speaker 1: doing all those things. So everybody, everybody that I was
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  Speaker 1: with along the way, all the coaches, Frank Maloney, who
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  Speaker 1: gave me a chance to come back to the Division
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  Speaker 1: one football, which was a great opportunity. Frank had been
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  Speaker 1: with Boschen Beckler. I had everything bo had been with
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  Speaker 1: Woody Hayes. I had all that. I had, all their
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  Speaker 1: organizational stuff, everything, how they went about coaching, the toughness
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  Speaker 1: that they brought to the job. Um so, and then
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  Speaker 1: all the coaches that I had the pleasure and the
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  Speaker 1: good fortune to be with, I learned from Okay, and
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  Speaker 1: even back as far as when I was my own
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  Speaker 1: head coach a Division three. So these things all were
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  Speaker 1: in place when I came to Jacksonville in February of
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  Speaker 1: ninety four to be the head coach of the expansion
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars. Whenever that happens, you roll up your sleeves
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  Speaker 1: and you know, you're a myth to your wife and
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  Speaker 1: your kids. You're just once in a while around but
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  Speaker 1: not often, you know. And uh, And that's why I
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  Speaker 1: have so much respect and admiration for for Duty, because
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  Speaker 1: she did it all. I mean, she raised the kids,
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  Speaker 1: she did. But you're right, I mean, this thing became
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  Speaker 1: something that you pour your heart and soul into it
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  Speaker 1: because it had your name on it. And that's what
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  Speaker 1: I've always believed, and that's what I still try to
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  Speaker 1: tell players. That your name's on the back of that jersey,
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  Speaker 1: that's your teeth. You better show ownership. More perspectives following
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  Speaker 1: Coughlin had a lot to accomplish if the Jaguars were
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  Speaker 1: going to be ready for opening day. No task was
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  Speaker 1: more important or higher on the priority list. And finding
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback. If you can remember and think about an
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  Speaker 1: expansion team with the three quarterbacks we had who Steve Burlin,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Burnell, and Rob Johnson, who was Selly's teammate at USC.
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  Speaker 1: You know who is a big time arm and a
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  Speaker 1: wacky kid, but oh he was a beauty. He used
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  Speaker 1: to give Brunel Hut all kinds of heat and it
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  Speaker 1: was great. It was funny sometimes, but uh well, I
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  Speaker 1: went traveling around the league, and I knew a lot
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  Speaker 1: about Mark because of his success in Washington and the
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  Speaker 1: style of quarterback. So remember, in the back of my mind,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be an expansion offensive line, and I
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  Speaker 1: just felt like if you can't move, if you can't
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  Speaker 1: if you're not mobile, you're gonna have a tough time
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  Speaker 1: in this situation, and so that was a big part
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  Speaker 1: of it. I watched him practice, not long, just a
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  Speaker 1: mike ho Homebram had many you know, even what he
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  Speaker 1: called a tuidache. His afternoon practice was quick, short, boom boom,
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  Speaker 1: boom boom, and uh. But I saw him live and
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  Speaker 1: then I began to look and look and study and
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  Speaker 1: so on and so forth. But the the the unique thing,
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  Speaker 1: the unique thing was the way we acquired and that
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  Speaker 1: was really interesting. I mean, it's litter really the night
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  Speaker 1: before the first draft in the history of this franchise,
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  Speaker 1: and I pick up on the fact that he was
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  Speaker 1: headed for Philadelphia and the deal was well well down
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  Speaker 1: the road. But something happened. There was a snag in
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  Speaker 1: the deal. Okay. I picked up the phone and I
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  Speaker 1: called Ron Wolf on the phone, and I said, Ron,
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  Speaker 1: I understand what's going on. And I know you're well
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  Speaker 1: down the road on this, but I want to tell
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  Speaker 1: you up front, okay, that here's what I'd be willing
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  Speaker 1: to do for Mark Brunel. Okay, And there is no
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  Speaker 1: I have to wait till tomorrow. I'll do it right now,
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  Speaker 1: right on the spot. You won't have there's not you'll
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  Speaker 1: have these these picks in place for the for the draft.
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  Speaker 1: There's not gonna be any dancing around. Okay, I would
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  Speaker 1: like this quarterback and I would you know, I forget
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  Speaker 1: what how it went. It went the third round and
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  Speaker 1: then he said, well, can you give me something else
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  Speaker 1: so I can really make this look like I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a that's just sure. So I gave him a fifth,
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  Speaker 1: a game, a third, and a game of five. But
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  Speaker 1: I remember I had two in each round, so it
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  Speaker 1: was a good thing. So um, we pulled that one off.
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  Speaker 1: And it was like a couple of years later when
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  Speaker 1: Brunell's running up down the field and Wolf was looking
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  Speaker 1: at me like I've got two heads, and I like,
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  Speaker 1: you sign up a gun. You so forgot, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: it just was and then Steve started and he should have,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and and uh, we missed that one up
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  Speaker 1: in the corner of the end zone and that opener.
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  Speaker 1: We might have won the first game in the history
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  Speaker 1: of the franchise because it was a battle, but it
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  Speaker 1: was but getting Mark and being able to have some
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  Speaker 1: mobility and at that time and Jimmy come along, and
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  Speaker 1: Mark and Jimmy hook hook up and keenan and you know,
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  Speaker 1: that was that was some some fun. The next pressing
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  Speaker 1: issue was the NFL Draft, which presented the Jaguars with
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  Speaker 1: a chance to add a cornerstone type of player. It
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  Speaker 1: caught wasn't about to swing in miss on that. I
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  Speaker 1: can tell you this in all honesty. So I go
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  Speaker 1: out to Mike Maser and I and there's five other
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  Speaker 1: NFL line coaches there to work Tony out. The day
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  Speaker 1: we were there, I still remember six seven three, uh,
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  Speaker 1: but I've never seen anybody moving around like that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the feet were unreal, you know. And he had a
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  Speaker 1: buddy of his who was an offensive guard who actually
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  Speaker 1: started and played, who worked out with him, and I
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  Speaker 1: felt bad for the kid because Tony was bouncing around
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  Speaker 1: like a premier, the premier athlete that he is, and
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  Speaker 1: the other kid was just hanging on. You know. It
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  Speaker 1: was one of those deals. But so we knew, we
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  Speaker 1: knew what, you know. I remember Jim Haneffin saying to me, so,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think, coach, what are you gonna do?
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  Speaker 1: And I said I'd probably take a receiver. He looked
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  Speaker 1: to me, yeah, You're gonna take a receiver. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: all we did and Tony gave me a little grief
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  Speaker 1: when he came into what's your way? So long for coach? Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm sitting there saying I got this. You
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  Speaker 1: know we're on the clock. But come on, somebody come
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  Speaker 1: up and tell me you want this spot so I
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  Speaker 1: can find out if you want my player, if you
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  Speaker 1: don't want my player, and maybe I can pick up
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  Speaker 1: another draft pick. But so read at the you know
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  Speaker 1: what we knew all along what we're gonna do. So
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  Speaker 1: when we took Tony and we finally got he and
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  Speaker 1: Anty in here, he said, coach, what the heck were
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  Speaker 1: you doing? What took so long? You know he's sitting
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  Speaker 1: there aunty about because you know we called him and
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  Speaker 1: find out how he he was healthy and all the
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  Speaker 1: things you go through. So yeah, that was that was critical,
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  Speaker 1: critical for us. Coughlin didn't account for good fortune as
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  Speaker 1: he made his plan for the Jaguars, but he got
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  Speaker 1: some early when personnel boss Ron Hill found former second
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  Speaker 1: round draft choice Jimmy Smith sitting at home in Mississippi,
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  Speaker 1: pondering life and wondering if there was another chance for
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  Speaker 1: him in professional football. When Jimmy first came in here,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't all that impressive okay, and Pete kept saying,
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  Speaker 1: give him a little time, give him a little time,
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  Speaker 1: give him a little time. Okay, we're giving him a
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  Speaker 1: little time. We're giving him a little time. And then
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, the story of the
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  Speaker 1: way the thing went. He's he's leading our team in
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  Speaker 1: completion and receptions. He didn't even start. He's he's he's
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  Speaker 1: the third guy on the field. But with Jimmy's development, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and the the communication between he and Mark okay, and
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  Speaker 1: then the the arrogance with which played, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: these things started to come together and people started to
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  Speaker 1: feel better about who they were. And we would I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we just praised press Jimmy, please please press them. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we're playing teams like you know, Denver, who is up
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  Speaker 1: there the whole ballgame, and I mean, it's like, Hallelujah,
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  Speaker 1: here we go. The coach kept planning his work and
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  Speaker 1: working his plan through training camp and Stevens Point Wisconsin
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  Speaker 1: a rigorous five game exhibition season, and right up to
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  Speaker 1: the start of the inaugural season. Patience was required, but
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  Speaker 1: Conflin is famously impatient, and it figured to be a
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  Speaker 1: tough ride. It's keeping your nose to the grindstone and
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  Speaker 1: trying to judge improvement rather than wins, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean, personnel improvement going in the right direction. I
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  Speaker 1: mean I was hard on him. I was very hard
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  Speaker 1: on him. And we were a unified team. And I
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  Speaker 1: say it, it's it sounds funny. It may not be,
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  Speaker 1: but they were. They were all unified because they hated me,
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  Speaker 1: but they played and even that first team might have
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  Speaker 1: been one of the toughest teams that I've ever been around.
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  Speaker 1: They were tough outfit. Now and you know, we played
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  Speaker 1: people really tough and hard, and you know, so on
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  Speaker 1: and so forth. Although we only won four in that
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  Speaker 1: first year. But um, it was the constant, constant ability
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: to you know, keep your thumb on where you're going,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: you know, keep your eye on your on your team,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: keep your coaches pushing, pushing, pushing, don't be overcome with
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: the the negativity, you know, don't don't let it get
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: to you. Fight it off, you know, continue to teach
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: and continue to to build more than just the football
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: part of it. Talk about being good people, good human beings.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: You know, how things should be done. Uh, you know
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: the type of character that has to be in place
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: in order for you to win. The type of work
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: ethic outwork people you know continuously sell that and that's
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: basically what what it was. And you know, even in
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: year two, you know when when we we are better,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: But how much better are we? We're still collecting players.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: You know, We've still got some things going on that
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: that need to be fixed. But we're making We're getting that.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: The Wolves were beginning to howl the door. In November
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: of more than halfway through the second season, the Jaguars
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: were modest four and seven and seemed far far behind
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: expansion rival Carolina. Dave Thomas suffered a gruesome leg injury
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, a five interception game from Mark Brunette in St.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Louis doomed them to a loss, and the decision to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: part ways with Andre Risen after a shaky game in
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh left the Jaguars at the very edge of a
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: steep cliff. The guy that most teams don't recover from it.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: But something turned in the most important month of an
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: NFL season, and it turned at the most critical time
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: for the head coach. I think it was the long road,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: the tough road, the tough season, and then being nine
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: and seven and getting in you know, all of a sudden,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: everybody's healthy, all of a sudden, everybody's excited, all of
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a sudden everybody. And then the opportunity thing, it's sitting
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: right in front of us. It's it's the chance of
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: a lifetime. And uh, you know, it probably is where
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: that road warrior thing started, because we were tough on
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the road. I mean we didn't I mean we could
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: go into the most difficult of environments and and play
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: tough and uh and we did, and and it was
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: you know, it was yeah, it was the little subtle things,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: but it was also there come from behind and things
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: of that nature, you know, And and and the confidence
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: that was starting to be built thinking that we we
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: could score, you know, we could do some things. And
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: we were, you know, we had pretty good leadership on
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: both sides of the ball, to be honest with the Jaguars.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Dramatic run to nine and seven, followed by improbable playoff
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: winds in Buffalo and in Denver, ignited the collective imagination
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: of North Florida and set winning as the expectation in Jacksonville.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: So we beat Buffalo in the playoffs in and we're
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: headed for Denver, and this is John Elway. All right,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: they've they are Super Bowl champions. Okay, they have a
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: heck of a football team, a great team. Mike Shanahan's
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the head coach. We go out there, nobody gives us
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: a chance to win. Okay, anytime I've ever won anything,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: nobody gave us a chance to win. Okay. We go
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: out there and uh, it's one of those games. And
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I remember, you know, ball up in the end zone,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Burnell making it gazelle like runs, people flying around, and
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: you know, defense banging away and just you know, back
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and forth enough to keep us where we are in
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: the game. And we're ahead at the end of the game,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: and uh, it's about to be Uh, they don't have
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: any time outs. And I tell Dick Geron, who was
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator. I said, Dick, just make sure that
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: when they do score, it's under two minutes. Just they're
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: gonna score. They're gonna score. We're up with ten, they're
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: gonna score. But when they do, make sure it's under
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: two minutes because they don't have any time outs. Sure enough,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: he goes down bang bing bing bing bing. Any scores
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: it's under two. They line up with the onside kick,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and quite frankly, you can tell they've they've been winning
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: by so much they don't they don't even know how
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: to line up for the onside kick, you know, don't they.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: They bonded the ball back to La Maston was our
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: fullback who was in the middle of the of the
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: hands team, and La recovers the ball really uncontested. It's
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: not much of a kick and just and everybody's going
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the league is incomplete shock, okay, because if we don't
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: beat him, then they're gonna win three in a row, okay.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: And it's just exactly what it was. And and and
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: when we win that game, there's no way you could
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: not smile. The locker room was fabulous, you know, Wayne
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: was in there, and it was players were just pay
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: players were beside themselves because of what you know, fellas
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: you sacrifice your work, you're ever loving off, you pay
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: a great price. You can't quite see the end of
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: the road, but you know, if you're doing it the
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: right way, it's gonna happen. Things are gonna happen good
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: for you. You know. Sometimes it takes longer than others,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: but it's gonna happen. And there there they go out
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: against the great team in the National Football League at
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the time, with a great running back and the greatest quarterback,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: all that, all this stuff, defense and all all of
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: all of these things when players are going crazy. We're
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: getting the plane. We come back and we're you know,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: getting towards and wait, wait a minute, the airport's over there.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: What's he doing? He starts to bank the plane and
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: then they announced that. You look down and there's thirty
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: six thousand people in the state waiting for us at
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: one o'clock in the morning to get back from the airport.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: It's it's unreal, as u there was an unbelievable feeling
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: to know that, man, man, we got the whole town
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: is behind this team, and we're having fun doing it.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: You know, we're having a lot of fun doing Mark
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and Tony, Jimmy and keenan party in brackets. The foundations
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: were in place in the spring of night. Then a
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: trade with Buffalo and an incredible Pro day performance in
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Florida brought the missing element to a championship team. First
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: of all, um Fred was a product of the development
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: of Rob Johnson. In the trade. Okay, we wouldn't have
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: been up there if it wasn't for that. But that's
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the critical thing about being able to keep those young
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks around, because you remember what Rob did. We go
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: up to Baltimore and he plays an incredible game. On
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: one leg, he gets the high ankle sprain. I got it,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: you know. I pulled him out. He comes over the sideline.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: He can't go back in. He can't. He's in my ear. Coach,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: let me go, I can go. I can do it.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I can do it. By god, he did do it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: He did do it. But that, you know, the whole
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: world looked at that and said, my goodness. You know.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: So Fred became that spot in the draft, Buffalo spot.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: So it's a dynamic that we quite frankly don't have.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: So I'm looking to see now Fred's career at Florida.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: It's at the end of the of his career that
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: they finally play him and use him. And he has
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: some incredible games, but there's not a lot of them.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: So I go over to work We go over to
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: work him out, and I love their stadium. It might
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: be the fastest track in the history of tracks. Okay,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: everybody wants to run a forty on that grass. I
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: couldn't do it, so we had to for whatever reason,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: something was going on, and we conducted the workouts down
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: on their practice field, which is just like any practice field,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: to be honest. He's he's two pounds six ft whatever.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: You know. He runs four four on my clock. Some
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: had him under four four. You know. It's like when
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I talked to him about the I call it an
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: eighty nine yard. He calls it a ninety you know.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: So but he comes over. He's a young kid, he's
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: got a long way to go, and he uh, you know.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: First of all, he on the day that the rookies
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: come in and we we warn them all. I mean,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: this is gonna be a conditioning test, and it's a
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: tough test. He doesn't do quite well. Yeah, he doesn't
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: do as well as he should. He's the number one
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: draft choice, but yet he's not the top conditioned athlete.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: So that's how he starts on. He's he's embarrassed. He
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: feels bad about it, but it's a done deal, you know.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: So we get to camp and we're gonna work against
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: New Orleans. The first drill is nine on seven. The
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: the bodies are flying, you know, it's it's it's haslet
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: you know, who's got them all gunned up. And we're
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: so Fred and so this is I'm jump away. But
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I go to the Combine a couple of years ago
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: and Fred's brought in by the league to speak to
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the rookies, you know, to speak to them. And I
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: walk in and I see crowd of people around this
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: guy and they're interviewing him. But I see it's Fred.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: So I go over and I see Fred. He comes over.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: He gives me a hug. Remember he finished he was
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: in New England for the end of his career. So
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: we stood there and talked for a minute. He kind
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: of hugs me and he says, Coach, I get it.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I get it now. He said, I was with you
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: and then I was with New England and I get it.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I get it now. So I said great. He so eloquent,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: so smart. You know, I had it all together. So
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: we walked around the corner, were by the elevators, and
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: he goes, Coach, you know you were trying to kill
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: me And I said, no, now, I wasn't trying to
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: kill you, but I was trying to get you ready
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: for what what was coming real quick. And we laughed
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and stuff, and he goes, oh, he's a coach. I
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: gotta run because I had my next appointment. Elevator opens,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: He steps into the elevator. The elevator doors are starting
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: to close. He said, coach, I love you, but you
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: were trying to kill him. The door shuts like that.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: But uh, I mean we've never I mean, you can remember,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: remember Tampa. He goes seventy with a draw out here
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: with Miami. The things that he did, you know, I mean,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: if he doesn't get hurt, we're gonna we're gonna have
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: what we keep saying we are. We're a balanced team.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: You know, We're gonna be able to do this. We're
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: gonna do that because when he gets out there, he's gone.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's nobody gonna catch him. And uh and
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: but I think the proudest part of it is the
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: way that he developed as a man, you know, the
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: way that he kind of put it all together, and
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the and the and the the person that he is today.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: The rookie from Florida exploded all over the National Football
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: League and in his second season, the Jaguards went from
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: a contender to the favorite. Fourteen wins in the regular season,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: and a historic sixty two to seven win over Miami
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: in the divisional round set up the off C Championship
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: game against the Titans, the only team to beat the
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Jaguars in I'm telling you, I've been Super Bowls. I've been,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: but that stadium was electric that day. I mean an electric.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: They were going crazy. Pregame was as incredible as I've
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: ever been around home field. I mean you could feel,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: you felt it. You know, it was the real deal.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: You know, we we jump out with a nice, nice lead.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: They come back. You know, we have the fumble punt,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: they kicked the field goal. But at halftime, our guys
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: are rattled. What the heck is wrong with you guys?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: You know we're up fourteen to ten. Settled down, settled down, Well,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: there was nothing to the second half. We don't do
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: a thing that they but we should have been the
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: team in Atlanta that game. It hovered over the franchise
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: like a dark cloud, and the injuries and salary cap
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: issues would begin to hover as well. What looked like
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: a dynasty now looked ready to dissipate, and in two
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: thousand three, after three consecutive losing seasons, Tom Coughlin was
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: asked to leave. It was tough. It was, it was
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: It was really really difficult, really difficult. And you know,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I mean this is coach talk, but even in the
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: last year, we lost five games by twelve points, I think,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: and stupid losses. The Cleveland loss was ridiculous, I mean ridiculous. Uh.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: And the ball was dropped and they still wouldn't they
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: still wouldn't change the call, you know. But it was
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: hard to believe me. It was hard. It was, you
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: know what. And it was really hard because when when
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you're told that your services are no no longer wanted,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a crushing blow to who you are,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: you know. And I can remember my car had been
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: moved around to the dock. I wasn't gonna talk to anybody.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna do that. So then I went home
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and I had to tell my kids, you know. And uh,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting on this ernie and read it came over,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: you know, and I was sitting on the stairs steps,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: you know, they go up to the second floor. I
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: just sat there and we had a table right there.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: But I'm sitting on that and they're trying to make
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: it feel better, and it's it doesn't work. You know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna work. You don't want to see anybody,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: you don't want to talk to anybody, you want to
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: go out here, you know. So but the thing that happened,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: which was incredible for me, was so I I did,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, obviously there's things you have to do.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: So I'm I did go out in the community, basically
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: out you know, out of the beach, you know, kind
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: of bed and around there. People were great, they were amazing.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Thank you, coach, Thank you coach. So my daughter came
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: up a little bit, you know, and uh, you know,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: but it hurt. It definitely hurt. And I wasn't I
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: wasn't ashamed to admit it, you know. And uh so
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: you know, life marches on and there's things that that
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: happened in life that are are incredible. Really, Uh, the
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: way the Good Lord deals with you, you know, I
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: don't get such a big head, buddy, because you're in
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: for one or two. You know, you're you're gonna get yours.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: But but the idea of you know, what you go through.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: And then I stayed here, which is people don't do that,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: they go somewhere. I stayed in that same house and uh,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Harbor Island because quite frankly, I wasn't going to move
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: and move again. I mean, I thought that was stupid it,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you know. And uh, I did have to go through
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: a season, but I got myself back to football, you know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: and Mike Perkins kept me stocked with tape, and I
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: had the upstairs room. We had a kind of a
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: game room upstairs, and I would take over and I
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: would I'd go to Mass Sunday morning and I say
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: to the family, I'll see you guys probably Monday night,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and up I would go for the one o'clock and
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: then the four thirty and then the night game, you know,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: and I would watch everything, take notes and the Monday
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: night game would be the same way. And I would
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: get tape on Monday from from Mike, and I would
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: pick the games I wanted to look at and I
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: would be able to look at those games and study.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: And in the meantime, you know, life goes on. And
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I remember the first phone call from John Mara, and uh,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I remember um Kate was home the whole fall and
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: she was going back for second semester of of her
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: senior year at Boston College. So she and Dylan and
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Chris snee flew in from the Bowl game, which was
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: in Hawaii, and we had I think it was Dylan's baptism.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Then in the car they went. They left January five.
• 35:28
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• 35:33
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  Speaker 1: the Jaguars called the new owner. I was at the
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: League office, okay, and it was I had done a
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff during the course of the year with
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  Speaker 1: surveys and all kinds of stuff, trying to feed Roger information.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: At the head coaches, we're saying about what had to
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  Speaker 1: be done with the game, um, and it got to
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  Speaker 1: be that I don't know what was it. It was
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: early January, I guess early January, and it was the
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Jaguars had fired their coach. My first thing is I
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: came down and talk to Shot on the boat down here, um,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: and then went back to the league no problem, and
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: we talked about a lot of things, not just a
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: head job here. But so when that other opportunity came up,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: and it was really interesting because I had basically told Shot,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: you know, I can help and a lot of capacities
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I can. I can help the head coach, I can
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: help the general manager, I can help the owner. I
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: can help in a lot of capacities because I've done
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: lots of different things in the course of my career
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: and I have, you know, a little bit of knowledge
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: about a lot of a lot of things, so I
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: can help. And so Shot called back and it was
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: really just a manner of minutes and it was a
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: done deal. And I remember when I went upstairs to
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  Speaker 1: tell Roger okay, and he already knew it, and uh
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: so he you know, and I was kind of basing
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: everything on. Well, you know, uh, I'll I'll come back
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: tomorrow and clean my desk up and I'll So he
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: comes down a minute later, Roger does, and he starts
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: talking about, well, you got your hands full, but it's
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: gonna be good for the league because you're gonna be
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: there and they'll be better. And he said, so what
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: are you doing? And I said, well, I gotta get her.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: You better get at it. So I left. So I left.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I just got my stuff together and left. So I
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: hadn't been through that front door in that and any
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: kind of capacity. And all the time that I've been
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I've been here, I think, but not through that door.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: So that was interesting. And then there's a few people
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: that I have a chance to say hello to again.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: But uh, it was different, much different, you know, much different.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: And then uh, trying to talk Dug into taking the
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: office that I'm in, he didn't want it. I'm basically
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: in the office I was in when I was here,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: which I don't know how fair that is for everybody.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: But that's where I am. It felt like deja vu
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, but Jaguars were in the a f
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: C Championship Game New England, no less. Tom Coplin was
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: back in teal and Black, now twenty five years since
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: he first arrived in Jacksonville. He smiles and shakes his
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: head himself somewhat surprised and certainly thrilled to be back
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: with the Jaguars. And for a man who's always focused
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: on the future, he's happy to share some fond stories
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: from the past. Don't tell you a story of the
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: true story, Okay. I come here to accept the job,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: and the job is the press conferences at a bank.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: You remember this, well, it's at a bank, Okay. I
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: don't see anything. Press conference is over. I'm back in
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: a car out to the airport. Wayne's plane takes me
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: back to Boston. I haven't even seen my team yet.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: A Boston college. That was that hurt, that was not
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: well done by me. But I didn't I didn't have
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of choice, So so I come back
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: a week later. I got everything in order, and I
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: come back porn rain, you know, pull up in a
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: car and MUDs this deep, it's all dirt. Okay, there's
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: one concrete stanching, that's it. Okay, there's one trailer. I
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: walked through the mud. I go up the steps, I
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: walk in the front door. There's someone's over here at
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: a desk. Okay, I walk in. They don't even have
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: a desk for me. Yeah, they say, uh, Mr Weaver,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: when he's here, he sits at that desk. He's not
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: here a lot. Why don't you take that desk? And
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: those are you know, non no cell phone days. Those
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: are you know, land land falls. So I look around
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: and I'm saying to myself, what in hell have you
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: gotten yourself into this time? Because that's what it looked
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: like at first, because the wheels weren't in motion, you know,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: until we made it get in motion, until we got
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: more people here, and then they would put another trailer around.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Remember how that went. It would be trailer. Okay, we
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: need room, trailer. But the wheels weren't in motion right away.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying to drum up, you know, what
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: we're going, and putting put putting a plan together and
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: so on and so forth. Another one of those deals
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: where I I'm never going back home. They all got
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: to come to me, so uh, but that was the first,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: my first introduction. Two, there was no stadium, there was
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: no nothing. Okay, we weren't gonna play until but a
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: lot of things had to happen quick. Twenty five years later,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: he has desired to bring a Lombardi Trophy to Jacksonville.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: He's still burning as bright as it did back then.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: People usually when they leave there, either even when they're booted,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: they don't want anything to do with it. They don't
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: come back. But different situations, both both with Boston College
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: and with the Giants, and hopefully with this, I hope
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: it turns out the same way.