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Joseph Sikora on Tommy Egan in Power Book IV: Force, working with Tom Cruise & Michael Jordan, 50 Cent Giving Back · The Real Report with Tony Yayo and Uncle Murda

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: First season of the Power Force show. I was in
• 0:02
  Speaker 1: Chicago and I was just having dinner with Mark Canton
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: and He's like, take a cab home.
• 0:06
  Speaker 2: I said no.
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, I was looking like Tommy. He had
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: just had the fresh cut. I had a leather coat on,
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: black shirt. I'm walking in downtown Chicago, but like nice,
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: super nice area, like probably the Gold Coast car pulls
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: up on State Street and I just hear, you know,
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: what's up, Tommy, and the passenger side and the passenger
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: side back seat had both two young bloods pulled out
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: pistols yep, and I just I was just like, my
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: immediately went through my mind. I said, I was thinking,
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: you know, a million tops really fast, and I was like,
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm gonna get shot. I hope the
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: bullet goes through me. I hope I can call my
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: wife afterwards. But I'm sitting there just dead staring at
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: these guys. I couldn't totally see the driver except he
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: had a green baseball camp on, and they're like, they're like,
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: you know some time. Then two girls came around the corner.
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: They screamed ran away, and then uh draff ghost And
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just standing there like just staring at these guys
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: and it got the dripper just cools. Man, I told
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  Speaker 1: you Tommy was that and word, I told you Tommy
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  Speaker 1: was that.
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he said that because you didn't.
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: Work yes, And I was just standing there like you know,
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: basically myself and like, you know, just.
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: They just cold.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like going through Like God, I hope this
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: bullet goes through me. I hope I can call my
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: wife like where's it going to hit? Like, I ain't
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: fifty don't hit me nine times? Just once is good enough?
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: You know when I first when I first met Murder,
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: I was it was do you remember this. I was
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: driving on eighth Alf with Cali. Yeah, and I and
• 1:59
  Speaker 1: I I'm driving up eighth Ave and and I just
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: seen him walk and I was like.
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: Yo, Murder and He's like, oh ship Tommy two of
• 2:14
  Speaker 2: the power that was beginning. I was like, yeah, that
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: early stages, my man. Cali used always tell me. I'm like, yeah,
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: you ain't riding no tom Ship. I still remember that.
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: That was very murder.
• 2:29
  Speaker 2: And I know you knew about hip hop because that's
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: what you start talking to me about all types of
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  Speaker 2: sarrested peace kse slave.
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, all that that is so much harder than
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: than I because it's like I became obviously became friends
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: with him because of the Power Show, but like he
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: was like a hero to me because of the graffiti,
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: you know, because he was dad. I mean, he was
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  Speaker 1: like original you know, T M T.
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  Speaker 2: He was.
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  Speaker 1: He was one of the best. And he credited me
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: to get for getting him back into.
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  Speaker 2: Graffiti look at that.
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  Speaker 1: And then you know, then I would do his videos
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: with him.
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  Speaker 2: And blah blah blah.
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: But like he was just such an inspres And then
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: when he I did that song with Millie's and uh,
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: who else was on that?
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you was rapping right yeah, because he was like,
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: He's like, yo, I have I have one of my
• 3:11
  Speaker 1: young boys write you write your verses. I said, no, no, no,
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: I write my own verses. And then I heard these
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: guys and I was like, yo, heye.
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  Speaker 3: Stop pirate, I leave it.
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: Stop yeah stop na do Stoyle Park.
• 3:32
  Speaker 4: So this is what this is what I'm talking about.
• 3:38
  Speaker 3: You got to get a dog. See what I'm saying.
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: They listened to this one. I'm gonna get a something
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: and a robber bank from me.
• 3:44
  Speaker 3: You got Joseph Scora in the buildings.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is with his dog Pirate, and we talked
• 3:50
  Speaker 4: about Case Slater relationships.
• 3:53
  Speaker 3: Definitely. I think when he passed, I think you was
• 3:56
  Speaker 3: reaching out to everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 3: He reached out to me or somebody.
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: There was something I hit.
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: I hit you up.
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: I mean because I was hitting up Renee like what's
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: up with Sligh? And Renee is like, man, I haven't
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: heard from him in a minute, and his brother like
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: wasn't getting you know, necessarily getting back to people. And
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: we had just I just seen him too. I just
• 4:13
  Speaker 1: seen him because we did that that cut with with
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  Speaker 1: Millies and man Pirate put you want to come over here?
• 4:22
  Speaker 2: They know I'm not a feeling of dogs like that.
• 4:26
  Speaker 2: And my man Joseph decides to bring his dog on
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  Speaker 2: the show.
• 4:30
  Speaker 3: Today, shout the dog.
• 4:32
  Speaker 1: Three want to get up here, so just to show
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  Speaker 1: up who you work with, my hush, get up.
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  Speaker 2: I don't got no problem with the trained dogs. You
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. My ma had joke I him
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  Speaker 2: under control, under.
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  Speaker 3: Control, so yo. So we got to hear his vers
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  Speaker 3: on that because I'm trying to Mills do we just.
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  Speaker 2: Have on the shows. He's dope.
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  Speaker 1: Man, that's my job. He came out to the Bronx.
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: We were filming the Power Show, and he came out
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: just to say what's up? Like season three? With Season
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: three when I run over the guy the you know
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: in the red car. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And Milsey came
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: out and then I looked him up. I was like, man,
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: this guy's this guy's fresh. I just remember one of
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: my things was the most powerful in power with the powder.
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: I'm like power steering the gear that I'm clearing, it
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: is clear to the ceiling. I'm so nice with these buildsies.
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: I'm so nice with this gear that these dollar bills
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: is catching feeling?
• 5:32
  Speaker 2: Talk that talk?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you think is better? Him a ghost ghosts ghosts.
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: We run very differently.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Joseph.
• 5:44
  Speaker 3: Joe Yo.
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  Speaker 4: But Joe, I know you come from Chicago and I'm
• 5:48
  Speaker 4: playing an intense character like Tommy Megan.
• 5:51
  Speaker 3: Where do you get that energy from? Like, like how
• 5:54
  Speaker 3: do you prep before?
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of a lot of it is
• 5:56
  Speaker 1: uh like the prep prep work you know that you
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: do just from being an actor. Like I tried to
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: base them a lot on Dutch Schultz and read a
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: lot about Dutch Schultz, you know the beer Baring of
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: the Bronx. Arthur Flaigenheimer was his real name. He was
• 6:09
  Speaker 1: just like he was a rowdy dude, but also there
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: there was a humanity. There was this story of like
• 6:13
  Speaker 1: when Lucky Luciano was creating the commission the Five Families,
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: he embarrassed. It was just saying because Dutch Schultz was
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: late to this meeting and.
• 6:22
  Speaker 2: It was this movie, the Dutch So movie that they
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: had on. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, me too. I like that.
• 6:27
  Speaker 1: I mean he but he was ruthless. Was that he
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: would have rags that were soaking in goner Rhea like
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: goneriea water, and he would hang guys upside down on
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: meat hooks and wrap it around their eyes, which is intense.
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: But then then he was so he was so sad
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: that he cried in a meeting in front of these
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: other gangsters because he got embarrassed from Lucky Luciano. And
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: then also how he got killed was he was killed
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: in Newark and he was at a restaurant and he
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: went and he was taking a ship and his man
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: Albert and Nastasia and for murder Ink and shot him
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: in the toilet and they left thinking he's dead. Shotgun boom,
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  Speaker 1: shot off and he pulled up his pants, crawled back
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: to his seat, and died drinking his beer at the table.
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: It's like, what movie was that he hated? His name?
• 7:17
  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Author Arthur fly.
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: Look was in there?
• 7:22
  Speaker 3: What was the movie with?
• 7:24
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm talking about watching all the time,
• 7:27
  Speaker 4: Dutch Schultz was in it in which was black actor?
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: Man, Oh, you're talking about the Hallow movie. He wasn't
• 7:38
  Speaker 2: the Harlem and you don't know what we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: with He was the one that hallowed with Bump with
• 7:45
  Speaker 2: Bumpy John.
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  Speaker 4: That was was I never seem like a Dutch Shows movie.
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  Speaker 4: But the hood of the movie is what I knew
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  Speaker 4: dut schochs for. He died that same exact.
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  Speaker 3: Way on that they got it from him, Yeah, they
• 7:59
  Speaker 3: got from that movie.
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: But see there was some of that like that's like
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: I wanted that feeling of Tommy. But then it's like
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: I also, you know, played around in the streets in
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: Chicago and based Tommy a lot on the guys I
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: was scared of, Like you get into those situations and
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: like these guys that are just you know, you guys.
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: I know, you know, it's like whereas you get into
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: that room and it's just the air is different, the
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: vibration is different, and then there's that guy and you're like, man,
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: don't piss that guy off, laugh at his jokes, make
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: sure that everything runs smooth. And I was like, Tommy's
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: gonna be that guy. So that's how I played down.
• 8:35
  Speaker 4: That was your first day on set, because like when
• 8:37
  Speaker 4: you look at Power, like we put it up there
• 8:38
  Speaker 4: with the wire, Sopranos had a long run best some
• 8:42
  Speaker 4: of the best actors, like we see Michael Rainey turn
• 8:45
  Speaker 4: from a kid to a man on that show was
• 8:47
  Speaker 4: like what eight years and then yeah, it.
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: Was eight years of a run six and a half seasons,
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: and fifth called it out season one. He said it's
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: this shows going to run for seven seasons and he
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: was right. I mean it ran for six and a half.
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: So technically that last season and seventh, ye it ran
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know if that he had
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: that in his mind beforehand or if it was like contract,
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: whatever it was. I just was just like, this said
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: it's going to happen, It's gonna have So how long is.
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: The whole Power universe been going on.
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: We started People got cast in twenty thirteen, so thirteen
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: years yeah, and.
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: We were in November some time. We'd be like eight ten, thirteen,
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: thirteen years. Yeah.
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: And our first the first season or the first shot
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: of the that was ever filmed, was me and Jr.
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: Who played Julio, and we were in we were in
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: Queen's woodside. Uh and it was and it was it
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: was ana balls. It was the tainos in the bag
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: playing playing the dominoes. We went back there. I still
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: remember that day was It's just great. You know, it
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: was a great. It's a great day.
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: I still remember like it was yesterday. Look at that,
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: look at the perfect storm.
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: But a great cast though. Mario Harrock was amazing as Ghosts.
• 9:59
  Speaker 3: And come on, everybody love Ghosts.
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, sin Kuai Walls I thought was great as Sean
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: is you know Canaan's son fifties son Jinkwi Walls.
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: I always wanted to act like you see how Michael
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: and and like how they cool. Did you and ghost
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: ever have that off kima relationship like that, like outside
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: of work, did you have a relationship like.
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: But we're a lot older, you know what I mean,
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: we're both married. You know, he his family, he's he
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: had his daughter and then his son, and then you know,
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: he was busier in that way. Like, Yeah, we hung
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: and we did a lot of the We talked a lot.
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: I think that we did more. I think and I
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: don't know what what Michael and Geohnny did in terms
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: of character development together, but we talked about the characters
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: a lot. And we went to south Side a lot
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: and just went you know, up and down down different
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: streets and picked out, Okay, this is the this is
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: the chicken spot they went to, this is the washing
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: fold went to. Okay, Tommy probably lived here, and so
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: we did a lot of that together and then talked
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: about just more about work. I guess so, but we
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: hung up. We hung a little bit. But yeah, he
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: was he's a busy guy.
• 11:08
  Speaker 4: So fast forward to thirteen years later, right, Yeah, how
• 11:12
  Speaker 4: did you feel? How did Ghost feel? And how did
• 11:14
  Speaker 4: everybody on set feel when they when they knew Omar
• 11:17
  Speaker 4: was going to die? Like, like, what was the feeling
• 11:19
  Speaker 4: of that?
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, and Mari was gonna die when Ghost was
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: because Omar's alive still, so thank you, you know, well,
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: when Ghost was going to die, I know, I would
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: say this. I think that, you know, I don't want
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: to put words in his mouth. I'm not. I don't
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: know how he felt. I felt like, hey man, somebody's
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: got to die. I didn't know if it was Tommy.
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know his ghost, but I did know that
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: it has to be a martyr for the thing to
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: live on. Jesus had to die so the religion could live,
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like the Power Show had
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: to have this sacrificial lamb in some sort of capacity
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: so that the subsequent spin offs could work. I still
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: have no idea why mine was called Force, but that
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: was dope for get out of here. It reminded me
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: of The Police or Star Wars.
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. I see what you said.
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: It's also every other one is named after a person.
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: You got Ghost, you got Canaan, and then you got Force.
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: I was like, what is this?
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: Nah, but they're still a rocket. That was my joint
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: listen to show. The show was my show. The show was.
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: Good or got good seasons two and three, not just
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: because I produced the second and third season.
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: But that might be the reason. I'm just saying it
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: might be the reason.
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: I have input you never heard of anybody at this point,
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: after you're doing something for a decade, you.
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: Listen, I might know what I'm doing here. Maybe no so.
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: But also I was working with Gary Lennon at that point,
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: who who's my brother? And I just think the world
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: of them. He is one of the most incredible artists
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: I've ever worked with in my life. Gary Lennon, He's
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: he's a he's a great one.
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: Boy, He's great. Now with the first poblem, I always
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: wanted to know, was was your character supposed to last
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: a logue or was it that you started chilling ship
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: so much that they were like, oh, we got to
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: write him in a little bit.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: You'd have to ask fifth. I think I think it started,
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, it was definitely ghosts.
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: Was the lead? The lead, the leader because.
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: It started to kind of transition that it was a
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: two handed god. I mean, you follow Tommy story and
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: then you follow the ghost story, and then you know,
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: I think I think I think the streets like Tommy
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: because it was he.
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: Didn't drug dealer, you know what I'm saying, Like, it's like.
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: He wanted to be a drug dealer.
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: If you wanted to be a drug just like, yo,
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: he knows where he's kids school.
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying.
• 13:38
  Speaker 4: On the show, he was the perfect drug dealer. You
• 13:40
  Speaker 4: and Ghost it was it was like must see TV.
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: Like one thing for me, I always say about power
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: anything that could make me run home, Sopranos, The Wire, Power, Snowfall,
• 13:52
  Speaker 4: gold Father Harlem like those, was like, yo, I gotta
• 13:55
  Speaker 4: go home and watch you guys and thedn't see how
• 13:59
  Speaker 4: like it come from the beginning to thirteen years later
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: to now the Origins is coming.
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: Well, it's gonna make you past thirteen now.
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: Right, Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. I mean just
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: just in terms of when Origins comes out, it's probably
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: gonna take a you know, a year and a half.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: Well that anyway, so it's gonna take forever. Charlie, Charlie's
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: gonna be a Charlie's going to be a thirty year
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: old man by the time there and.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: Shut out to Charlie Man, Charlie, Charlie Man is shut
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: out to Charlie.
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: It's so crazy, man, The legacy is crazy. Talk about
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: Ozar too, because me and Murder was just talking about Ozark.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: Was fun.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: When I auditioned for that The casting director asked me
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: what I had been doing for the last five years,
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: because oh, you haven't been around. I said, I'm doing
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: a show called Power. She's like, oh, are you a
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: Are you a superhero in that one? I was like, no,
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a show, it's on stars.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: I'm a gangster.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of a superhero.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: Anyway, you actually a superhero. But this is this is
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: after the Power shop and and so I audition proud
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: that she did know somebody that I was.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: I was, but it was a fifth said it too.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: He said, it's going to take white people five years
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: to catch up. It's any like anything out of the
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: black community, It's going to take people five years. And
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: it was right. Look five years it was like everybody
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: started watching Power.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: Look at that.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: You know, you go to different places. You're in the
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: middle of Ohio and somebody's just like, oh, are you
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: telling me from Power?
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: I was like yeah.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Actually, mainly it was white people who would say. White
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: people would be like, oh, you're the guy who got
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: his dick blown off in Ozark. I'd be like yes,
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: and then it would be like black and Latin people
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: would be like, it's up, Tommy got you. You know,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: definitely Tommy You're good. Yeah, I'm good.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: Good the Hood Favorite Man, everybody left power, everybody.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Here, guys coming from the Hood Favorite.
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  Speaker 3: biggest actors. Not true.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Speaking of speaking, if you want to your own little
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: piece of Tommy Man, go to my Instagram and in
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: my bio and you get your Tommy chain right there.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Make sure you get that.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: Change when you got that chain or some gangster is
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: about stopped playing.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: With my Also, you protected, You're protected. There you go.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You protect me? Now. How
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: did it feel when you found out you was getting
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: your own spin off force? When you found out?
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Oh I was I was happy, But it took a
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: long time. And I have to have to because I'm
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: a fan of the Ghost Show and I'm a fan
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: of Raisin kan I love Raisin Kanan, London I love Raising.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I wish I would like to watch the Uncle Marv
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: show too, because London Brown is amazing and he's hilarious comic,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: but he is an incredible actor. I directed episode three
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: of season five of Raisin King. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: There we go, Okay, there we go.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: There, we got you guys gonna like it. It turned
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: out turned out really good, so I really I was
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: happy that it came out. I was also again it
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: was like waiting and waiting because I was like, it's
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: to be honest with you, and this is going to
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: be slightly controversial, and this is nothing against the Ghost Show,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: which I enjoy and was a fan of, but I
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: was just like, why it's a show. The Power Show
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: was a show about two brothers and one of the
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: brothers died, and then it was like, there, let's wait
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: two years before this, and it's just like it was
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: just a lot of waiting around. So I was very happy.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: But then also because I didn't produce the first season
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: of it, it felt like an ill fitting shoe. I
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: felt like it didn't totally feel like Tommy.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest you. The first season didn't a
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: little bit.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it did so, And I think that one of
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: the things that was the mistake was when we got
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Gary Lennon coming back, who was born and raised New
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Yorker from Hell's Kitchen, whose brothers were gangsters, you know,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: and all that, like that's Tommy, And what they didn't
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: was is like I'm from Chicago, sure, but Tommy's not exactly.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: And then when they had Tommy, like, oh, but then
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: tom they were saying some stuff in some of the
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: lines where I was like, wait, wait is they were like,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: oh Tommy with vacation in Chicago or something? For I
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: was like how they had no money. And then like
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Tommy lived, remember that when he shows the picture to Kate,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: he says, this is when we lived in Flushing before
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: we moved to South Sude, Jamaica, Like this is where
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Tony Terresti is like, so we had this whole backstory
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: that was kind of getting conflated. So it's very very
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: difficult because I care, of course, because I loved the character,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: and I was just like, oh, man, but like, we
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: can't this. And then also just in terms of the
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: gang history in Chicago just didn't feel totally right in
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the first ye. And then because and then when Gary
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: came in, Gary's like, well, all right, talk to me,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: what did we get? I said, first off, Chicago was
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: the third most populous Mexican population in the world, like
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: we have and the Mexican gangsterrhythm in there. Also It's
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: just like also had the diversity within black gangster culture
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: in Chico. It's vast, yes, and not everybody is just
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: like yeah bro, yeah yeah. They're like I'll kill you.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: You're not from my block. You know how it goes.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: It's like, we can't have this kind of kumba yah
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: type thing like let's I would always say, Chicago is
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: a real place. Let's show Chicago. And I think that
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: we got there in a in a big way. And
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I think Gary had had to kind of shrink a
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: world to expand the world, and I think he did
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: and then we got we got real. And I can't
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: even remember this third season especially. I kept thinking and
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: this feels like power.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: It was. I feel like it a little too fast.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I know we should have had a four seasons, Like
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: god damn. I feel like because we got our footing
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and then there was so.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Much Now the brother just died and that was about
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: to now they really wanted to.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Keep it was King Klo.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was like, man, I thought, that's it
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: should have kept going.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Big Baby, Big Baby brought it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I was so depressed he did he committed.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, I was like, get it, Glenn, to really
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: be in jail, like I I know, I felt terrible,
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: but I think he's home now. Yeah, I think it's amazed.
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: It was good for the fans too.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: We hate that space, like you have shows popping and
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: sometimes just give it that space.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Like well, you think about this, between second and third
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: season of the Power Force show, it was twenty two months,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: almost two years.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: He was complaining about that taking too fucking long.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Man, taking too fucking loan. You're taking too long?
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: So what was the reason like that? You got to ask, you.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Ass fifth, I don't, I don't know. I don't even
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: want to pontificate because it doesn't. It doesn't. I can't
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: make any sense of it.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: So it's it's just most of the episodes is already
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: it was all done.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Like it was where we were locked and loaded for
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: a long time.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: But Mark, it's not the only show because Godfather Hallam
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: did the same ship.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: It takes long, thanks, oh sure, And even think about
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the Sopranos sometimes like some of those so some of
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: those seasons took a long long time too. So it's
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: something that I can't talk about because I don't know.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: It just it just might know.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: It just annoys the fans.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Probably probably.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: I think it's more of a.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Production thing, if anything, because a lot of other shows
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: are doing it.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Too, like time slides or you know, there's a lot
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: of it's it's not to not to say another g
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: unit thing, but the power of the dollar, you know
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: what I mean, It's like, that's really what it comes
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: down to. How does it How can we say to
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: these people, to this publicly traded company, which stars is
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: how do we make it make sense? The best way
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: people are making money on the money they invested. I'm
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: sure that's plays a part two. I've always been grateful
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: to have a job.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: Definitely, Shelter Stars man, y'all did a good job with
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Power to Force, Canaan d MF.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: The list goes on and on and on.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Tony Yo's favorite Outlander.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you know it's the question we ask,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: was that you shout a commercial with Michael Jordan as.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: A kid, Jeffrey Jordan's baby.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Shelter Michael Jordans We need some sneakers up here.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: That's so come on?
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: How was it?
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: How was it?
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: How old was you and how was that?
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I was thirteen? It was nineteen eighty nine, I think,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: and maybe it came out in nineteen ninety the commercial,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: but uh, I was this beautiful blonde haired boy going
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: is Michael Jordans And I just remember him being and
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: you know, at six six, like you think about all
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: the players now like seven something like you know, six
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: eleven and all that. Michael Jordan at six six.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Granted I was small now, not that I'm I'll never
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: be tall, but he just seemed impossibly big and so
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: like just lanky. And remember this was this was Jordan
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: eighty nine. So it was like it was before the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: before everything kind of exploded exploded, but it was it.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Was it was a like Mike commercial, like Mike.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, it was it was like, no, I
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: wish it was that this would put this man.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: That was that was before that commercial.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: It was before that this this paid for a lot
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: of my college that commercial that okay, look at that
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: and my parents. So I have been an actor. I'm
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: about to turn fifty and I had been an actor
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: since I was ten, so for almost forty years in
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the business.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Yea, and.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: No, man, that's dope, man.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: My mother I had to join the Screen Actors Guild
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty eight, so I have been will have
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: been in the Screen Actors Guild for thirty eight years too.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Look at that, and thank God for my mom because
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to get a mischief in high school,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: but my mom kept paying the dues. And so it's
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: because of my mother that I have a decent pension.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Look at that, Look at the thank thank you mom.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Shout out the mama love, shut out the mama love,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: set out the mama love to the though.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: But Polish, Polish? Yes you from Polish? No, yes, there
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: is the USA. I'm from the USA, baby your parents? Yeah,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: moy Kreb Yes it posts.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: What's her favorite poet? And I would think there's a
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: lot of It was.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: A nice place to go.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I heard you guys love.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Did we go there to crack crack out? Crack out?
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: We went to crack out? We went to warsaw name?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Another one asked, did we go there?
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I don't remember. I remember crack woosh maybe yeah, I
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: heard that name.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: If you heard that name before, somebody it's spelled.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: It looks crazy when you spell it because in Polish
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: there is the L with a slash through it because
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: there's no W. I think it's called it's pronounced so
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: it's and then oh the slashes a U. So it's
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it's wooge like d Z makes a j sound.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: What was the dish?
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: What was what they eat out there in Poland? Again?
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I forgot what what what kind of special dish they got?
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: They got a lot of stuff, you mean like perogis
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: or or you think we have what look that's a
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: cabbage rolls.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: We have some kind of food. I think I know
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: we had that.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: The food specialists to smoke man.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean when.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: When you when you go to Germany, like I went
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: to Germany, I went on what was that maybe last
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: year on my own tour, and they had curry worst
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: the you know what.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had curry worst, But I mean that's probably
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: a more modern one because they wouldn't have had traditions.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: They wouldn't have curry in Germany until recent times.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. But it was bugging. It was like,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: got the curry.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Hit?
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: And where did you guys meet up with my brother.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Arabia? And then also I've been out there that that
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: hotel was like a house. Oh yeah, I mean it
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: came with a butler. All type of stuff to that
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: hotel was I think it was. I think it was
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: a rich Carlton he was staying at.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: It was a big car.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: It was too much room.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: I had a big conference room, we had kitchens.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so it was like crazy crazy.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: It was sweet man.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: And my brother is the just so you guys know.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Your brother, that's my that's my just got off with
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: him a little while ago. That's extended part.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and did you guys also meet up with them
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: in Czech Republic?
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: We did, Yeah, exactly, yep. And he helped us up
• 26:04
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• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Well, so these are some things I didn't know about you.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: You made TV appearances from two thousand and five to
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: twenty twelve, including major network shows like NYPD, Blue, The Fatomy,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Criminal Mind, CSI, Prison, Prison Break, Lost, and What Else?
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: And Jack Reacher.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Jack Reacher was a movie with Tom Cruise two thousand.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: We shot that one in twenty ten. It was man
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that was If you haven't seen the movie, it's a
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: good movie.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I see Tom is great.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: And I'm about to say you just said with Tom Cruise,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I ain't know that.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: My brother Yo Tom Tom. I would work with that
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: guy in a second again. He was one of my
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: favorite people. I've ever worked with my life. That guy
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: loves making movie so much.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Look at that.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: And he's such a nice guy.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: He's such a nice I would love to meet Tom Cruise.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Tom Cruise is the best. He's the best. I don't
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: mean anybody talked about Tom Cruise. I'm like, you never
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: met Tom Cruise? And two years later I saw Tom
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Cruise with my wife and I said, Hey, what's up. TC.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Turns around, He's like, I was like, if this guy
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: remembers me too?
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, you was like me, was Tom
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Cruise sing Uncle Tony your uncle murder?
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: But he was, you ain't hit the best part he
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: said about that he's with his wife, So he's with
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: his wife for him to go, hey, TC for him?
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: McConaughey is like that though, too. McConaughey is another stellar
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: actor and also just a great guys genuine guy.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Got you.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Tom Cruise is definitely on the list of people to meet.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Last time we met DiCaprio, he was amped up, felt
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: like we was in Departed.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Had Low.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Shelton Leonardo in Italy. I love to travel, man, That's
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: one of the best things man.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys have that the world tour man. You
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: guys are the Passport Gang.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, boys, you know that we outside.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: All them shows we named. How do you is it?
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: You feel like, like, how do you prep for those
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: like different characters?
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Because I come from the theater. So you just prepped
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the same way you do every play. You do, You
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: do the research, you read the thing, then you there's
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: so funny. I was at a show at the Steppenwol
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Theater in Chicago and it was I used to wear this.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: This is people.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna catch flag for this. It's a stolen valor
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: moment for me, which is embarrassing. But I would wear
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: my dad's friends navy peacote, real navy peacot because then
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you could get in free with the So I didn't
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: have any money to go see these shows that like
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Steppenwall for Goodman and stuff, so you could go see
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the veteran shows. But one of the things this guy said,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: which it's it's acting is so much more complicated than this,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and yet it is this simple. And he said, hey,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: can you tell me more about acting? Because it feels
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: like you just get up, you just say the lines
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: and then be that guy, and I was like, some
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: of that ship is true if you can just say
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: the lines and then just but but the being that guy.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Complicated turned into that character and.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Really commit So some of these young people like that
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: you're interviewing like Charlie and like, uh, Gianni, I feel
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: not bad for but I feel like, ah, I wish
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I wish they could have had acting before social media
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: like I got to, because it's like you you risk
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: you can be. You could have been way more risky,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and now you're at the place where it's like, yeah,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: of course everybody thinks I'm Tommy anyway, but it's like
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: it's like he uh, you know, you have to be,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: like you have to risk that people are gonna be like,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: that's really this person if if you're if you're a
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: rat or if you're you know, like you know, a
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: terrible person. But it's like that's what the role called for,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: So you commit to being that guy. And I think
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: now it's a much more difficult waters to navigate of
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: like this guy being like that, you know, really really
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: diving in. But also that that set me up to
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: to to be Tommy.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: That's you.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Down. I don't think play a rat though he'd be like, no,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: can you do that? He'll turn down.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what I mean during the Tommy role,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: like I wouldn't. I didn't, I didn't want to play
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't play any rats either, because because I understand
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: what perception is, I wasn't going to play a crooked
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: cop necessarily or this or that, or there were certain rules.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it's not the right time for that, but
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: but there are, And especially like the old gangster guys,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: like from the Soprano stuff, then they're like, no, no,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I'll never play a.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Rat, can play a rat? And I get it, and
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I can get that, like you're never gonna do this
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: kind of role, never gonna do that kind of role.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: So people on the streets will want to knock you out,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: because I think people.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Don't think they want to knock out, but theygga just
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: use that against you in the streets.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: People like they're not calling them Joseph, calling them Tommy Beeve.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: How do you with that?
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: How you deal with that? Like probably some people more
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: people calling you Tommy than your actual made.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Here's what the boss said, this is what fifty said.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: He said, Look, I'm not saying you gotta be Tommy.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: You don't have to act like Tommy. You're not Tommy.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: But when people call you Tommy, think of it like this.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: They're paying real emotion. Like what they feel about Tommy
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: is real, right, So and if you say, if you
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: tell him how you're stupid, that's just fake. That's like
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: telling somebody that paid real money into a bank, the
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: bank is fake, but I paid real money but it's
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: a fake bank. Then they're going to be mad. So
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: you you legitimize them by saying you'd be like hey
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Tommy and be like, hey, I played this role so
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: well that they're so invested that they want me to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: be Tommy.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: And you just say thank you. And it ain't that hard.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: So wasn't the time? Did it annoy was at the time?
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: It never annoys me unless I'm like if I'm also
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: a human being, if I'm tired and I don't feel
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: like being Tommy and somebody's just like you're Tommy, or
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: like it's like, you know, I'm rushing somewhere and somebody's like,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: you have Tommy, come here. I'm just like nood.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: I felt like that with ghosts, like I felt like
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: that was his mistake because he was a killer in
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: a suit, used to ghosts and you and we just
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: wrapped up in the street. Street people your ghost Tommy.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: That's all they gonna call you in the street at
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: that time. And then he made that conscious record my
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: name who Killed Ghosts. He was break dancing and had
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: the beads on his neck and was like a conscious rapper.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: I was like, nah, man, because people look at that character.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you gotta you gotta affirm people they say
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: we love they're saying I love you basically, you know,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: like tough guys in the street. So Tommy, and it's
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: just you're just like some man, you know what I mean.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I got you. I feel you know.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: It's really like that, because that's what people are really
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: want to.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I want to hear a crazy story. First season of
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: The Power Force show, I was in Chicago and I
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: was just having dinner with Mark Canton and He's like,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: take a cab home.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I said, nah.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I was like, I was looking like Tommy had just
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: had the fresh cut. I had a leather coat on,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: black shirt. I'm walking in downtown Chicago, but like nice,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: super nice area, like probably the Gold Coast car pulls
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: up on Stage Street and uh, I just hear, y know,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: what's up Tommy and the passengers and the passenger side
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: back seat both to two young bloods pulled out pistols yep,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: and I just I was just like, my meanly went
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: through my mind. I said, I was thinking, you know,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: a million tops really fast, and I was like, oh
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: my god, I'm gonna get shot. I hope the bullet
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: goes through me. I hope I can call my wife afterwards.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: But I'm sitting there just dead staring at these guys.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I couldn't totally see the driver except he had a
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: green baseball camp on and uh uh They're like they're like,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: you know, some time. Then two girls came around the corner.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: They screamed ran away, and then the driver goals and
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just standing there, like just staring at these guys.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: And it got the driver just man, I told you
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Tommy was that and where I told you Tommy was that?
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And he said that because you didn't run, yes,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: And I was just.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Standing there like, you know, basically shipping myself and like,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Just cold.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I'm just like going through like God, I hope this
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: bullet goes room if I can call my wife, like,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: where's it gonna hit? Like, I ain't fifty don't hit
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: me nine times? Just once is a good enough, you know.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Like so I'm thinking like that they said this and
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: then and then as as the bark before they took
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: up that one kid in the passengers, I said, we
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: fun with you telling me and I called. I was like,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I know there's cameras around, like it.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Was like the blocks. Yeah, yeah, like that's great.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, hey, shy town, you you got me?
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Not that I like that. I just I like that,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: but I like kind of played out.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, me too, Like you said, I like you
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: said you liked that he didn't run like that.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I like that you didn't I like and I like
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: that they didn't take it extra.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Car was so cool. I was, there's nothing these guys
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: are gonna fire. They're gonna fire.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: But that's how wrapped up people get character. In the
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: character we still call the Wren's take. Oh though, yeah,
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: because that's a classic. How is a classic show, So
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: you're gonna always be you know, it's not it's a classic,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: like you said, it's on all these networks now you
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: can see it on what Netflix now think.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: It was on Netflix UK and Netflix Ireland and then
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: it's like on a million things. You can get it
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: on Amazon, you can get it on who.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: It's all over the place too. Yeah, but it's it's
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: it was in Action TV. There you go TV. Fifth
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: doing it, man, fist doing it.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: It's funny, it's he's He told me a million years
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: ago that there's somebody that I won't even name any names,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and well, all know everybody's talking about. I said, why
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: is this person's thing? It's never it's never gonna it's
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: never achieving success. He said, because this person thinks they
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: can do it all themselves. And he goes, I hire
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: the best people. So like fifth Fifth Fifth is also
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: incredibly empowering in the way that like he always was
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: like believed in you as an actor and would always
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: be like, you know, like first season and killing this bro,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: you're killing this killing keep keep doing it man, Like
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: you know, like this always felt felt good, like somebody
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: who I believed in believed in me sobutely.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: You know it was fair because everybody thinks they could
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: be an active but you've been doing this your whole life. Yeah,
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: talk about your early life of theater and your mom's support,
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: and oh.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: My god, my mother drove me to all these auditions.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: It was like we I went and did a play
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: in a suburb called lake Forest. And later in life,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: when I hear people saying they grew up in Chicago,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: what they grew up lake Forest, I was like, I
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: can just remember. It's gonna take us like forty five
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: minutes to get to lake Forest.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: And I grew up.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I only grew up a couple of miles from the suburbs.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: But it's basically like where I grew up would be somewhere,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: you know, it would be like Queens But then then
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: then all of the lake Forest would be somewhere like
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: it would be like like Greenport, Long Island or something,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: you know, like way out there. Anyway, it was a lot.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: It was constant. It's forty years of never having a
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: real break. Like I keep threatening to like take time
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: off where I'm not thinking about the next job. I've
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: never not thought about work or the next job or
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: the next thing for forty years of my life. Constant rejection.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: And I also like, I'm not a great looking guy,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean like I'm fine looking,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: and I'm like my old manager said this, she said, look,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna call it out.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: You're a seven, but your sex he's a ten. I
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: love that, shout out Myrna Jacobi. But she was, She's right.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I mean I'm not I'm not like a super handsome guy,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: but I'm a great actor and because I commit fully
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: and I work hard and and thank God off in
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: some point because the Power Show people are like, why
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: did you take the Power Show? I'm like, because the
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: check cleared? Are you crazy?
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Check clear check cliar sheltering stalls and fifty.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they started shout out to fifty.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Fifty.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Fifty was a fifty was always a great boss. He's
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: been an incredible person, nothing but love. And he's really
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: smart and he likes he likes stuff like you know
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: when he gets to like he's like a kid. He
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: loves art and he loves he loves he loves music.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I don't I never met anybody loves music more than fifty.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Like all the stuff that you know when you just
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: be sitting around the G Unit offices when we were
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: on fortieth and just just at the time of like
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: three hours the same song and put this little bitty
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: thing here here like this list listeners every just you know,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: it's vibing.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: It was fun.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: We love to work over here. Can we talk about
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: the new show man?
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Oh a reasonable doubt?
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Yes? Reasonable?
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Can I just tell you the showrunner of this show,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Ramaala Mohammad Hunter is, She's a unicorn.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: She is outstanding.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: She's a brilliant writer, She's an amazing person. She had
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: the faith in me shout out to lend her husband,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: who was just like, uh, we're never looking for this character.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: And he goes, what about Joseph Sikora, And she said,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: and she even said this to me, She's like, who
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: He's like Tommy from Power. She's like, oh, yeah, he
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: could be great. Crazy And that's funny because in Brooklyn,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I get a lot of people that start, you know,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: they're like Tommy, Tommy, I like you as that lawyer.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: You're up to something, but I like you as that lawyer.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: So it's always going to be Tommy, which I don't mind.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: It's all good.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: But it's like the time Fifth said this once, He's like, Joe,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: you're always gonna be timing. He goes, he goes, if
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: you win an Academy award, somebody's gonna be like, you know,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: the one where Tommy plays the doctor.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's crazy. That's crazy because because you can get
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: stuck in character. But he's not stuck in character because
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: he's doing so much of stuff. Of course, thirteen years
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: of a show. Hell yeah, we don't remember Tommy. Thirteen
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: year run.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Tommy dog by the way is over there scaring some people. Yeah,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Pirate production team back then with you.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: How long you've been a dog before? Man story, we're
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: gonna get murdered a dog man?
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: What kind of dog would you get if you gotta
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: do a piple?
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Definitely? Not? No, really, no, man, pirate, I got to
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: get something little French.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, I heard I heard a bit about the
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Pirate the Pirates letter.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Pirate is too big.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Pirate is too big?
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look a little too big.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Now he's he's like forty five pounds.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I do pate relief head around the house.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Look at this, and I wear black.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: See I was telling it. I said, I don't like
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: the head. I don't like that you're gonna get a
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I don't like none of that.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you guys this, How did this
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: come about? Just because you do a million podcasts?
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you know they was laughing at me.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Podcast king Over.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: You know he's on a jet that used to laugh
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: at me. Why are you doing black?
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: What are you doing?
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: What are you doing? Blad and forward.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Everybody started copying the y your format went. Everybody now
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: murders on flag, a whole bunch of rappers on hold on,
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: let me finish, yea, let me, let me let me finish.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Talk ahead.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Look everybody I was doing flat, everybody was doing black.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Even Uncle Murder. Murder would shout after I'm mad, I'm not.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Mad, shout out to neither.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah now uncle Murdy in the list of rappers are
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: doing and then you know, listen of rappers are doing
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: and shop and then they want to do breakfast club.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: But Yayo just kept working for three years. I learned
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: to work like fifty.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: So now I'm executive producing a movie called Lake George
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: make some Noise from.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah brother, yeah yah, Let's make some noise my brother,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah yah.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta make moves man.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Then fast forward. You know, we sat down with Fat Joe.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: I think we was in shout Netflix, shoutout to Breakfast
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Club on Netflix too. And we was talking was at Belgium.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: Something, Germany, Germany somewhere, and he was like, Yo, he's
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: gonna talk to the volume people from us. So it's
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: crazy for enemy to turn, you know, to get oh
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: yeah yeah, and then you know me and murder.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: We was like that was the biggest beef definitely.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Fat Joe Beef was crazy. They would have caught me.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: They would do me in a trunk or something like
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: that or week you know, you know that's what they
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: that's what.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: That's what that trunk I got you over the trunk.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: I would have been good man was.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: I was a wild boy back then, Like I was
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: number one on hip hop poly slits back then, Full
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: of Wayne. I was number one curly Top, you know
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: who is? Everybody knew curly Top. We had one policeman
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: called Superman. He was told he'll pull you out by
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: your belt. He knew everybody's name, like hip hop police.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: They still got him. Now that's why you see all
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: these rappers in jail, because they take all this intelligence
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: on hip hop preferably.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, disproportionately of like using an art as a
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: as a weapon, you know what I mean.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: But rock stars ain't shooting each other. Rappers are. That's
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: that's how they look at it, like, you know what
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: I mean. So that's how they look at that man.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. But now, are you a civilian? Now?
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: No, no way, no, no, no take that civilion. Not
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: a fucking civilian. I don't know why you I mean,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I said you're not a civilian? Listen, pirate? Are you
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: a civilian? Pirate is a civilian?
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Pirate? Murder was scared like pirate wasn't a civilian?
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you never. I'm not gonna lie.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: He's gotta look. He's got a looky.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I was a little upset when I walked in here,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: and I'm.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: No love.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna bring my dog in here. My bog
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: is like probably one hundred and twenty pounds.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: That's a big dog. That yeah, episode he'd be doing
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: by hisself. Ladies, I won't be here with no pitopull.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Now, let me ask you what would be your five
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: your top five directors that you would like to work with?
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, and what movie? What?
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: What type of movie would you want to direct?
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: You directed things already, but what will be one of Like,
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: what kind of movie would you want to direct with
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: a big budget in a big film?
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I mean so many films I would like
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: to direct. I'll tackle that question first, but I would
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: like to tell a Chicago graffiti story. And partially because
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: we all know that graffiti started right here in NYC.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: And listen, ILL love to Philly, but this is the
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: birth of graffiti. I just Chicago just had this. I mean,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: obviously that's where I grew up and started bombing. Also
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: had some great times bombing here in New York.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: And shout out to.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: So many of the South Bronx guys that I got
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: together with and Tat's crew, guys who let me paint
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: in their their their train in the back with Eave
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: RIVERA but a Chicago graffiti story that would take place
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: in the late eighties early nineties my era just again
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: the graffiti Squad, those particular copsret so you watched Beach
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Street and of course, but it's mainly the Style Wars.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: The documentary that came out in eighty three featuring case Ley,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: featuring dez And and Seene and Cap and some of
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: these just amazing characters, was so influential. We would literally
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: watch that on a VHS S tape before we would
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: go do missions every time and just get an inspiration
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: from New York. But because Chicago graffiti is so immersed
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: and based on gang culture that it's it's just a
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: little bit different. We had to have a guy shout
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: out fat Fred because I know he'll watch your podcast.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah from the South Bronx. He changed Chicago graffiti in
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: the way that like New Yorkers were like, no, no, no,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: we don't have it rules because in Chicago, if you
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: write something backwards, you know it's flipping the gang. It's
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: like you put up just per se if you're you're like,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: you know that this would say Simon City Royals and
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: underneath backwards you say Latin Kings because it'd be like,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: you know they want you don't want kings in this hood,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And so Chicago the graffiti would play
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: by the same rules as that. You know, you would
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: have basically the same guys in a gang that you
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: had in a graffiti, you know, and a lot of
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: gangsters like from different gangs in different sections. This could
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: be a whole other show could be on the same crew,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: but like they would be a fighting gangs. This is
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: still back when we had nations in Chicago with folks
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: and people and blah blah blah blah blah. But it
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: would be It's so I think the inner workings and
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: the whole warriors aspect of it of something in Chicago
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: like that at that time, and would just be that
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: would be something, and you'd need a budget. Something that
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I would love and I would love to do. Some
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: of my favorite directors that I would ever want to
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: work with.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: One director that I would want to work with again
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: is Chris mcquarie, who directed Jack Reacher. He is he's
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: just mainly because he's fun. Like I don't care. I
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: don't care about Marty Scorsese, who I got to work
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: with on Shutter Island and then Boardwalk Empire, and Marty
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: was great again because he was nice though too. And
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I was in the pilot episode. I was Hans Schroeder.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: That's where I'm that's yeah, that's oh yeah, yeah.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Do you remember that?
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: It was the first one you guys can everybody can.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Google that the man Joseph and that's right. It was
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: very and that was that was a fun.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: That was a fun show. But again, he's a nice guy.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: And it's like I don't want to work with anybody
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: because they're like, oh, this guy's, this guy's an amazing director.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I'm like, if he's I'm fifty years old, I don't care.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Like if he's I want him to be nice. I
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: want her to be amazing, you know, I want them
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: to be a good person. That's what I care about.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: And you because you can be all of those things.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: And that's definitely a Tom Cruise thing, Like he's amazing
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: at his craft, but he's a good guy. It's like Fifth,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: I've put Fifth in that category. You know, he's he's
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: somebody who's accomplished more than most, but he's still like
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: he's still a good guy. Like when people people have
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Fifth and they're like, oh, king of Petty and king
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: of this. Yeah he's got time. But also people don't
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: see him being kind with little kids, people with disabilities.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: He stops the line, stops it. I've been there at
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: bottle signings where he's like like, what's that person? Wait
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: and go get that bring this person up here and
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: gives gives so much up. What he fifty has done
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: with g unity is not talked about at all, Like,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why more is not made with his
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: what he's given back to the not only his community
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: in the in an urban environment way, but also just
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: across board, Like look at what he did to Ukraine
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: before the Ukraine War. He was doing money to all
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: of these empowered places in Ukraine and having and getting
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: the love back from these students who he changed their lives.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: So it's people like that that I want to work with,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: because there's enough incredibly talented people, but I want to
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: work with the people who are who are cool and
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: and I never met Chris Chris Columbus, but I'd like
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: to work with him too.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Like a lot of his movies is well, we got
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: a segment when we do this or that?
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, is it a black a Black Sheep album?
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, you know hip you know your hip hop,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: but it's like this or that. So I know you
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: was going to Chicago's. Look, I know you were that.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: It's the first time we're doing this. I don't I
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: don't even know about it.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: I just I just made it up right now, Okay,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: we did it. We did it a while ago.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: We did what it's about to be about.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: That because he's from Chicago, but he's from New York. Now,
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: now whose peege is better, Chicago or New York?
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, well hands down New York. I mean
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: it's not even a confis oh ship, new York's a baby, okay,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: no doubt. But in Chicago, what people don't understand is
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: that deep dish is more of a touristy thing. And
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: it's not like you don't order a pizza pie and
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: you're just like, let me get a deep dish. It's like,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: especially if you grew up in the city of Chicago,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: you get a thin crust and what they we call
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: them in Chicago, we call them a tavern because you know,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: we cut them in squares. And what that came from.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: The origin of that was that Chicago pizza pies I believe,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: were cut in triangles in Chicago until after the war,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: the Great War, World War two, the Second World War anyway,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: the Great War, I guess was World War One. But anyway,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: when the guys came back, you had to serve food
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: with with your drink with alcohol. So they would have
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: these little ship these little ovens in taverns and bars,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: and you'd slide in a pizza. You'd make a pizza,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: you'd slide it in there and then you'd cut up
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: in square so a lot of people could have it.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: It's also called family style. So you order a pizza
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: on Friday night if that's your pizza night with the family, boom,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: and then everybody can get the little corners. I always
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: like the little tiniest corner. But that's a good pie,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: like I loved. My wife is from Jersey, and and
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: you know she's just from You could see Manhattan from
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: her backyard, so so she you know, she's right there
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: on the border of Linden and Elizabeth. Anyway, it's like
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I brought her to my favorite pizza joint, thin Crust.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I said, what do you think of that? And she's like,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: I was such a such a.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: New York baby.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: My two favorite spots in Queens, I'm gonna say, well three,
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: I'll say Margarita's, Yeahby's and now.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: Cuts and slices. Those are my three spots. What about you,
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Murger Ain't got no favorite pizza spots?
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, I like Margaritas.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Well you're not from Queens.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: I'm from Yeah, but listen, I see I shot people
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: in Queens two before when I was on When I
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: was on the I hung out in Queens when I
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: used to go to Margarita's. Okay, Margarita was good. It
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: was also a spy in East New York on what
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: was that on? I think it was Liberty and Beautica.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Now get this was in East New York on Liberty
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: and Lincoln. It was a spot over there that had
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: an adult piece of spot we used to fuck with.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know the name. It wasn't really a pieza
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: guy like that when yeah, yeah, I love pizza too.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Could I grew up?
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: Margarita has been on Jamaica Avenue for like thirty forty years.
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: Maybe going to get in that.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Table eighty seven. It's over by me
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. It's a It's a great spot. Not always
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: the best help you guys could be a little bit.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Already. It's like turning the top.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, I'm sorry you have to work here.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: It's like I'm sorry you have to make pizza. Get
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: a different job. It's a good tie.
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: But Jesus Christ, Now do you like because your trains
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: are similar to hours, do you like riding the train
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: in Chicago or versus New York.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Our Chicago trains getting back have gotten so disgusting and
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: so rowdy. This is on like this is on my line,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: which was we used to call the o' hair Congress,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: uh back in the day, but now it's called the
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Blue Line. And there was you know, this this couple
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: the middle of the day, and I was like, this
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: is not the trains that I I mean, there was
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: rowdy ship, but does mean this lady just has a
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: crack pipe in the like. I don't see as many
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: like just like outward crack pipe stuff on in New York. Uh,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Mainly I'm in Brooklyn and Manhattan, and I'm not even
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: like far Brooklyn or anything like that, or like I'm
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: not way up in Manhattan, so I'm, you know, kind
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: of the centralized district where I'm The rowdy shit happens
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: at the end of the line, as we all know.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: But uh, I just feel the Chicago trains have just
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: gotten so rowdy.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: So yeah, but when I ride the train, cause I
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: read the train almost every day in New York, you
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: like it. And I think I like the train system
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: here a little bit better. I I only did the
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: yards here one time, and the yards and yards in Chicago.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Yards here seemed a little bit easier. In Chicago just
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: seemed like Fort Knox and and uh yeah, I don't know. Yeah,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: And this train system is just more you can get
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: everywhere here. It's like I took the trains as a
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: kid in Chicago because I enjoyed it. But here it's
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: like it's just a smart way to travel. And Case
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I always used to tell me because I would send
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: him pictures, I go and I do some insides after
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I had because he gave me so hyped.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: T'd like, bro, that's a felony. Don't go to jail
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: putting me up.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Man, I got so excited. I did too. And I
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: also did some tags. I did some my my name
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: and that I did. I put up MC search because
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: I was done his podcast or something. He's just like
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: it's the same thing, base yo Base.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: That was one of my favorite groups.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, they had some good they had some some bangers. Man,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: he's a he's a gas face?
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Was it the gas?
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: That beat was so hard? I remember when they came
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: out with it. Yeah, that was my joint.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: You got the gas even know we are looking for
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: the Brooklyn, We are looking for the Brooklyn Queens.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: What's some more of your favorite rappers from way back
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: because you know.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, well he's speaking of East New York. J Rue
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: the Damager.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: I mean just like we ran him while ago overseas
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: he still yeah, man, but what what that beat?
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: He had a ton of crazy beats like that that
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: were like eeriees. His beats was different and it was
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: always like this, you know what I mean, Like it
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: was like I'm taking a tickey on this adventure and
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm a little scared, but like I'm down.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Like who else did I love? Just MC style stuff?
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I mean that was just like I kind of like,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: you know that that late eighties early nineties was so
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: much the Golden era, Like he had such different flows
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: like somebody like Eric Sermon's Ryman's so different than somebody
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: like like.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: Cute one of my favorite.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, just come on, Eric and Parish making dollars.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: You're just like, yes, I want to do that.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Slick Rick, Doug Click Rick, Big Daddy kinge every.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Krs Won all the beauty guys I hate and I
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: loved the nicest albums I'm talking. My name is Yeah.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: I remember he was a rap up.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and his second His follow up album was was
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Dope to to the Rescue, To the Rescue, Nice to
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: the Rescue.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember, I remember. I remember the.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Set up with the freestyle to all you little fighting
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: them sees that on the on the sound track My
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Name is d Night. That was the that was on
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: the first that was his, that was on the first album.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: That was It wasn't I'm Gonna Get You suck on
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Miss Melody was rapping, Miss Miss Melody.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, kid Cari mister, Yeah, she was dope.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: She was she was.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: You remember miss Mellody.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: I thought.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: We saw k R S at the Last Essence Uh
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Essence Fest. It was great to I mean, it's just
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: it was amazing. But also we had met k R
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: S a million years ago and we did I didn't
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: do it, but my crew did it. Like we linked
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: up cruise j fr F my crew in Chicago and
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: b d P and these guys civil shout out to
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Silvil Matt, I love you. Uh did a did a
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: top to bottom BDP car And he was dope though too,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: just like talking to us way back in the day
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: and then to see him again, he was like he
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: was Yeah he was. He was real, you know, lyrical champions.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: These guys were fresh. And then just to learn that
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: kars One, you're like one year was he a writer?
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: And you're like, then you listen to the rhymes and yeah,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: he talks about getting up. Also, third Base mentions that
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: we loved that because it was like, let a song
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: called product the environment is like a marker in my
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: jacket to tag where I went because I was just
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: the product of the environment.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, hip hop had more elements back then. You had
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: break dance and graffiti. I played a major part back dude.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I always felt like I was part of hip
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: hop culture. And of course I liked rap music, but
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I was just through graffiti, I was like. And also
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: it was so inclusive back then, you know what I mean.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like you're like this, so that's this. It
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: was kind of like, you know, white black brown. I mean,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: you had to work a little harder as a white guy,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, to get yeah, you
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: have to show it. I mean, but it wasn't like, yo,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: I have to be the baddest or the toughest or
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: this or that. You got to show up. You got
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: to keep showing up, you know what the fuck you're doing.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: But it was also just in terms of like just
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: the different elements of hip hop kind of kind of
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: just like if that was your life, because you guys know,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: like if you're a graffiti writer, like all of your
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: friends are graffiti writer, that's all you do and that's
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: all you talk about. So like that was that's your life,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: and then you're just like, I am hip hop, you
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, or at least you have that
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: as part of your identity. But now it seems harder
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: and more judgmental.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Maybe, but I think you're doing it for something.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: He just trying to do this, yeah, or like you know,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: being oh you're you're you're appropriating culture or like this,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: and it's just like I like it like this, I
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: want to rocket like this. It's like and like even
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: New York, like just back in those those times, like
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: you guys made your own style. I was like style
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: style style. Now it's kind of it's so much more uniform,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Like people don't take risks with fashion as much just
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: to rock out on the streets or to doff.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: The trend is now, yeah, trending. Is they going with
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: the trend.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was different back then. It was a
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: lot of positive things in music back then. Yeah, you're
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: a brand new man. They was talking about, you know,
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: the dragman and crack man that coming and what dump
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: I don't smoke, jump sell what you're knocking for?
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: Like it?
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, col righteous teacher, pul righteous teachers always talk
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: about self destruction. When you see the whole industry get
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: together and was you know, talking about how.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: He was destruction. That was big for me.
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: Like to see all the rappers as a kid watching that, Yeah,
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: that was like crazy for me. And then the change
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: and then the eight bull jackets and you know it
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: coincided with niggas hustling back in the days. You had
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: to haunt the scooters and the elites and it was
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: like damn you look at rappers and drug dealers like
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: as the same at a point because those were our
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: heroes and the you know, but the eighties to me
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: that time, but hip hop was crazy. Slick Rick had
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: his own flow, Oh my god.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he came from when we learned that he
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: came from England, you know what I mean, And it's like,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: you know that whole thing. He almost had that just.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: His whole story used to have me just like, oh
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: my god, slick Rick was the jewelry.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: He's the he set the trend for that crazy ridiculous
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: Jeury big big chain. All of them they had pieces
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: like never TV piece. You know, Eric B had his joint,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: Rock Kim, they had their joints, but slick Rick was
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: always changed, twenty change, I know, fresh.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: And slick Rick talk. I just loved that he was
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: just talking such ship at the Power Force premiere too,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: that Nobody's flossing out here and I.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: Was like, yeah, that's that song when you see me wonking.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: It never gets sold that beat. It's just like, I
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: don't know, it was just the nostalgic times.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just love that it was. It was a
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: golden It was a golden era and all of that stuff,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: just like Zulu Nation, and you just kind of had
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: like this kind of interesting inclusivity, but also just like
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like even like even stuff that was
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: like like Black Empowerment didn't feel like I can't listen.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: Like it's like, I know X Clan wasn't necessarily made
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: for me, but I could funk with X Clan.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: They was that extra to the East, my brother to the.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: You remember the DJ too, because like I even say,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: public Enemy, I always remember.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like I don't know, just also
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: I always with something like with run DMC, you're just
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: like damn Like Jay never even cared about getting credit
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: like that. He was just like I'm here, like I'm definitely. Yeah,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: the DJ was such a part of it to speaking of,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: which is my man chubby chubbs? Is he still keeping
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: the weight off our way? I know we keep checking
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: with each other.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: He's been working.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been checking in with each other.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: Well, and you know when you got the military, uh
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: workout in the morning with fifty cent you know how
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: that is. So that's how we as overseas. We you know,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: we see him leave off the road and go and
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: go do fucking film shit. So like that's what people
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: got to understand, like Save Me and Murder want to
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: be in a movie, right because people always say, you know,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: how do I get in powered?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: When did they shoot?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: And like how do I what it was like somebody
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: have to do to like just to get in power
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: or like go to shoot you know screen for a part?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: What do we have to do?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: Do you where do you go to look. I know
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: you got an agent obviously.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: But that's the whole thing. People ask me all the time,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: like how could I be in the background or something.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: I have no idea.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: I don't talk to the background people, or like, uh.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: The main thing is that, in terms of working in
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: the industry is like work begets work, begets work. I
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: started because I started in the theater, and then you
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: do this job and then it's like you these little
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: roles come through to Chicago back in the day, and
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: then you kind of hate had to move to either
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: New York or Los Angeles. And I shouldn't. I should
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: have just stayed in New York because Los Angeles ate
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: me up and spit me out and I and I
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: had this. I kept coming back to New York for work,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Like I was on a show called Third Watch here,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: I was on Broadway here, I was in other plays here,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: and then uh, Boardwalk Finally Boardwalk was the job. Was like,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not going back to La.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: La hates me. It was too hard.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: It was too hard, and I hated. I mean, I
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: was poor in New York. I mean I I I
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: lived off nothing when I lived on Mulberry Street for
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: years I was, I would eat the Dollar vegetables on.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Canal.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Dollar vegetables were these plastic bags in Chinatown, and they
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: would have basically day old vegetables. Sometimes you open up
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: that bag, it smells like farts. You're just like, I'm
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: still eating that foods hey, and you make you get
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: you'd get U the day I'd get the Dale vegetables
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: and I would get ninety nine cent dumplings. You get
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: six dumplings. I would have the regular dumplings, six of
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: them for lunch with some sort of the vegetable. And
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: then I would chop up the rush of vegetables and
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: make a soup and then chop up the dumplings and
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: have that a soup. And every other day of every
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: third day i'd have There was a place where you
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: could get a forty ounce of Budwiser for two forty
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: nine right across the street from the tombs on Baxter,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: and so I would get like that would be that
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: would be my drink. I'd have that and that I
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: mean I was skinny mini just doing push ups and living.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: On that and have no money. But like I loved it.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: I loved it was like I said, But what made
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: you know, when I'm not sure what the I'm not sure,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: would cry to myself to sleep some nights, thinking like Lord, please,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: what else can I do with my life? This is outrageous,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: This is too hard. I it's it's this is you know,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: the mentally, you know what I mean. I mean, wait,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: more people have it way worse than I had it,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: of course, but you know, every man's journey is personal.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: And so it's like when you have no money and
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: you're an adult, you can't take a girl out on a.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: Past and you're trying to achieve your dream as well
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: and things as not.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I always was able to thank God,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: my dad taught me how to put up uh what
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: we would call drywall, everybody here called sheet rock, so
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: you can put up some I have to say, sheep
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: rock sheet rock. And I always and I was always
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: able to make money on you know, buying, just buy
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: as much marijuana as I could afford, and you just
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: be the guy who's.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Awake, shut out to the high. You know, the unit disco,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: the high brand. We got a dispensary two forty six
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: dash old one so whenever somebody mentioned weed on the show,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: we got the shot out.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: You gotta do it, it must be done, and.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: Another thing.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: You were smoking when you just figured it out.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Like I always since I was a teenager, I was
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: always able to be like reefer will always make you money.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: You just have to be available, you know what I mean.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: You know it's like it's like you get it.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: And it's because what they used to call me back
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: in the days to people that don't know, Yeah, exactly
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: garden you liked.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't want to really ask you because
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: you know, I quote a couple of Broadway shows, like
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: I think it was Martin Luther King with Samuel Jackson ANDREWL.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: Bassett, like years age, it was like real.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: Good, I've seen that, and I think I just recently,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: like maybe a couple of maybe last year, I've seen
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: the Michael Jackson Broadway show.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: How was it working on Broadway? Because Broadway like we
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: New York City.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: That's like, you know, I mean, it's it's, it's it's
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: it's been a while since I've been It's been a
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: while since I've been on Broadway. It's been a while
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: since I've been on stage really to be honest, but
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: that when that is your life, you don't. It's daunting
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: looking back doing eight shows like I was gonna. I
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: was up for a role in a Broadway show that
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: was like listen to big role and it was like
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: the play. I was like the people who were the
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: leads in the play. I'm like hmmm. And then my
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: agent was like, oh, it could be, it could be good.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Look I said no, No, you go and do eight
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: shows a week for a show that you don't like love.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of work. It's a lot of time,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of like you gotta want to be
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: there so much. It's a lot. It's a lot.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: And I love theater.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: It's it's the best feeling of world. But I got
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I got stage fright on Broadway. When I did Broadway,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: I had the director during intermission yell at me all
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: crazy that fucking show is. This is ruined because of
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: you and the choices that you're making.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: And I was just like, what the fuck chairs Broadway, motherfucker.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: And I know the choices well because I had. I
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: decided just on a whim, because that's I listen, That's
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: how I played Tommy. I just do if some shit
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: is in my mind, I'm going to try it, and
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: they had My guy was a military guy, so he's
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: walking down all military and his blues and blah blah blah.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: And the first I was just like, this guy's about
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: to go to trial though, and it was very stylist.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what if I was just like all hunched
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: over and I walked in and kind of slouched in
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: in there, and I think it just blew his mind
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: that I would try something different. But we were running,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: like the show is running. It's not the director has
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: to let that show go. The director is the director
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: until you open and then they come back and they
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: give you notes, you know, during the run.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: But it's specially the more if he still had to
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: let you come out, then.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean I lost my shit, he yelled at me.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: I had never because this was in two thousand and six,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: so if you think about it, that was It took
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: me nearly ten years. Season three of The Power Show
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: was the first time after that event that I felt
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: like I didn't have stage fright like crazy. I used
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: to take beta blockers to audition because I would get
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: so scared. Even when I was auditioning for the Timmy
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: roll I was. I took a beta blocker so my
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: heart rate couldn't get like super heavy. Yeah, you're like,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: oh my, if I take this drug, is it gonna
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: Am I gonna still be able to emote or I'm
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: gonna be real It's like, yeah, dummy, it's just you
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: just You're not gonna be like so scared.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: So it was very helpful. But yeah, it took me.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Took me over ten years to get over the stage right,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: and I'm not totally over, and I still get scared,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: but now I just ultra prepare if I need it,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Like I know the lines backwards three times over usually
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: to get the freedom right.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: If you had three things you could say to inspire
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: an actor right now, what would you tell.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Me, don't fucking do it, I would say. I would say,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: if there's anything else you want to do with your life,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: do that instead. If you have to be an actor,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: be prepared to dig in. Nah, don't take no for
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: an answer, say yes every single time until you can
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: say no. You're not better than any of these roles.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: You are valuable. Don't forget your value, and uh, for
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: the love of God, take some classes I can't even
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: tell you the amount of actors I've worked with that.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, you're not a great actor, Like take
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: take a class, you know, like I during the whole
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Power Show, I enjoyed taking classes. In the off season.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: We even had a Brooklyn Actors collective with other working
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: professionals in the industry where we would just study scenes
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: or like, you know, do something so you could do
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: a different role than you're used to playing and stuff
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: like that. It's like a craft like anything. You're not
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: just gonna get get up on the mic if you're
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: not prepared. You know, you haven't been doing the work
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: you got to. You gotta train. You know, you're not
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: going to jump in the ring unless you put in
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: the hours. You put in that road work. You know
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. Same thing with acting, keep it going,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: keep it sharp. Don't say no with auditions When people
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: are like, oh, this should be an offer for you, Joseph,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, what else am I doing Thursday? I'm like,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: I've fucking memorized the lines and then be that guy
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: and let me let me try because I just remember,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: especially too, you know, when you're producing. Uh yeah, Jesus
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: is finally tired.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: Finally asleep, ladies. Yeah, I know, now I could be
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: myself what exactly?
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah. So the main thing is is you put
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: in the work, put in the hours and and and
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: you don't say no. It's a tough, tough industry, man.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, you could be like road Timmy and get
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: your first audition that you ever do and shout out
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: to Timmy, fantastic, fantastic actor, great musician. But it happens
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: just like Alvin and I my brother, we started our
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: our production company, Black Fox Productions.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Shout out the Black Fox Production Black Fox Productions.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: We just sold the show to History Channel. But we've
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: been we've been going on for five and a half years.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: Remember when you first started the way back, ye back,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: You're right. I do remember when you and we and it.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Was just like the putting money in and and I
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: think it was hard for my brother, harder than me
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: because it's constant rejection and people nitpicking and judging the us.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Most of the business at the time.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: But I'm also just like this what I was doing,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: I was just like this is also rejection is part
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: of this. It's a huge part of the main part
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: is rejection. So you have to have tough skin. And
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: I think like you guys, you know, as as artists,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: rejection is and then people.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Judging podcast and people always have something to say with
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: the positive and negative.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: So yeah, all these guys and the negativity. Like, as
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: you guys know, I'm not on social media except I'm
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: on TikTok and I don't know how to use it,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: so that's the only reason I'm on it. And I
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: have so I have other people that run all my
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: other social media.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: No album runs it all right, gotcha active mode?
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: Man? No, I love I love the Graham. I just
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: got addicted and I felt and I got used to be.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Chopping it up a lot of I know, yeah, definitely definitely.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: And then I locked myself out of.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: Twitter x.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: I locked myself and you can't get back anymore, like
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: there's not humans.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: To talk to.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, this is really me and this
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: and that and I It's like I've been locked out
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: for like a year and this is really mean.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: You get it together, you know, almost get it together.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Man, I mustn't going to let me back on. But uh,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: but on Facebook, they do a good job on the Facebook.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: But it's like I'm not on any of that stuff.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: So but it's different because I feel like young people
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: feel like I have to be and you kind of do.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: So I'm glad I have the following I put out.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: I put out stuff on on ig that would not
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: be anywhere else. So if you want the real like
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes stuff, like you got to go on
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: ig to get it from me, I'll give it to
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: the sources to put up there because I know how
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: to play the game. But also it's like I read comments.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: I feel like I don't know how to not read comments,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: and then I get sad, and it's like when people
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: talk such shit and I just like, I'm from the nineties.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: I want to meet up with this guy and people
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: people like to people like to talk, people like to
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: say a lot of you know, like you know, like
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: I just I don't. I don't know how to like
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Fifth figured it out. He knows how to get people,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: you know, like and get under people skin. I get,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: I get my feelings hurt, and then I get like
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: if I get mad, I get mad, and then it's
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: just like, oh it's Joseph Tommy. I was like fucking
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: around to find out right now.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: I'm looking for your west Man.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: It's like all and got my man off fuck the
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: social media for them.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: But he really doesn't care because he's in all these
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: movies and.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: I don't and I got, you know, and I gotta
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: and I got a good marriage, and I got.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: Real life is better than social media.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: Amen, So tell them.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: Tell them about the show. What you got coming in
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: the future.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: Reasonable I got Reasonable Doubt. It's gonna it's gonna come
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: out season two. Rama La Mohammad, She's amazing, the best show. Guys,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: watch Reasonable Doubt. It's a great show, and get to
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: get one of these changes.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: Can I get a change for the show?
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: Tell them again where we can get these changes.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: You can get the change. Just go to Instagram Joseph
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: four the number four at the end on gram and
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: then if the link is in my bio and they're
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: super I made sure that they're they're uh, super high quality,
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  Speaker 4: Baby reasonably vibes yes baby on the real report. Well,
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  Speaker 4: make some noise, y'all. Don't wake up the door, don't wake.
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  Speaker 1: Up sleeping alight.
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  Speaker 2: Pirate, good boy, good boy. Pirate four