Latest / Murder Files Unsealed / Fatal Frictions: The Love Triangle Murders
Transcript
- 0:00Speaker 1: Imagine baking your husband's favorite dessert. It's like a classic,
- 0:05Speaker 1: like homemade banana pudding. Right. You take your time. You
- 0:10Speaker 1: layer the Nella wafers just right. You, you know, you
- 0:13Speaker 1: stir the pudding until it's perfectly smooth.
- 0:14Speaker 2: Yeah, just completely normal domestic stuff.
- 0:17Speaker 1: Exactly.
- 0:18Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 0:18Speaker 1: And then, as calmly as if you were, I don't know,
- 0:22Speaker 1: adding a pinch of salt, you lace that pudding with
- 0:25Speaker 1: enough arsenic to kill a grown man.
- 0:27Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah. Yeah.
- 0:28Speaker 1: You pack it in his lunchbox, you kiss him goodbye,
- 0:30Speaker 1: and you just send him off to work.
- 0:32Speaker 2: It's just chilling.
- 0:33Speaker 1: It really is. So today we are looking at what
- 0:36Speaker 1: happens when the facade of, you know, the perfect American
- 0:39Speaker 1: life just completely shatters.
- 0:40Speaker 2: Right.
- 0:41Speaker 1: And how ordinary domestic disputes mutate into, well, highly calculated executions.
- 0:46Speaker 2: Yeah. We're looking at a landscape where the absolute worst
- 0:49Speaker 2: human impulses are just hiding behind manicured lawns and, you know,
- 0:53Speaker 2: smiling social media posts.
- 0:55Speaker 1: Totally.
- 0:55Speaker 2: When you introduce these intense... Romantic entanglements and secret double
- 1:00Speaker 2: lives into an environment where someone is just desperate to
- 1:03Speaker 2: maintain their public image.
- 1:04Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. The pressure.
- 1:05Speaker 2: Right. The psychological pressure just builds to a point where
- 1:08Speaker 2: a catastrophic release is almost inevitable. I mean, the lengths
- 1:12Speaker 2: people will go to in order to simply erase a
- 1:15Speaker 2: human being from their lives rather than just have a
- 1:17Speaker 2: difficult conversation is deeply disturbing.
- 1:20Speaker 1: It really is. And just to set the stage, today's
- 1:22Speaker 1: deep dive is built on investigative reporting from Crime Watch Daily. Right.
- 1:26Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
- 1:27Speaker 1: Featuring Chris Hansen and their entire team of reporters on
- 1:30Speaker 1: the ground. We have this massive stack of investigative files,
- 1:34Speaker 1: witness interviews, police interrogations.
- 1:37Speaker 2: The digital footprints are huge here, too.
- 1:39Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. The digital footprints left behind in these two
- 1:42Speaker 1: incredibly intense true crime cases.
- 1:44Speaker 2: So we are dissecting the specific clues left at these
- 1:48Speaker 2: crime scenes, building out the psychological profiles of everyone involved.
- 1:53Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 1:53Speaker 2: And. Examining the exact mechanisms investigators use to untangle these
- 1:58Speaker 2: just complex webs of deceit. We're really tracing the anatomy
- 2:02Speaker 2: of a betrayal.
- 2:02Speaker 1: Our mission is to understand the pressure cookers that turn
- 2:05Speaker 1: ordinary people into killers. Okay, let's unpack this. And we're
- 2:09Speaker 1: starting with a case that takes us to the really
- 2:12Speaker 1: vibrant streets of Atlanta, Georgia. It's the tragic end of
- 2:16Speaker 1: a young woman named Bridget Shiel.
- 2:18Speaker 2: Right, yeah. Bridget was only 19 years old.
- 2:20Speaker 1: So young.
- 2:21Speaker 2: Really young. And to understand how she ended up in
- 2:24Speaker 2: the crosshairs of a violent death, we really have to
- 2:27Speaker 2: look at the vulnerabilities built into her early life.
- 2:30Speaker 1: Right. Where did she grow up?
- 2:31Speaker 2: Well, she grew up in a military family, mostly raised
- 2:34Speaker 2: in Washington, D.C., by her grandparents, Jim and Beverly.
- 2:37Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Yeah.
- 2:39Speaker 2: She had a father she never knew and a mother
- 2:41Speaker 2: she rarely saw. And, you know, being raised by grandparents,
- 2:44Speaker 2: no matter how loving or stable that environment might be,
- 2:47Speaker 2: it often leaves a child grappling with a profound sense
- 2:50Speaker 2: of abandonment.
- 2:51Speaker 1: From their biological parents.
- 2:53Speaker 2: Exactly. And that just creates a baseline of insecurity.
- 2:55Speaker 1: I can imagine.
- 2:56Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 2:57Speaker 1: And her personality was this fascinating mix of extreme theatricality
- 3:02Speaker 1: masking that insecurity.
- 3:03Speaker 2: Oh, totally.
- 3:04Speaker 1: Like her family described her as a live wire. She
- 3:07Speaker 1: was so dramatic that if she walked outside on a
- 3:10Speaker 1: beautiful day, she wouldn't just, you know, observe the weather. Right.
- 3:14Speaker 2: Like a normal person.
- 3:15Speaker 1: Yeah. She would throw her arms out wide and announce,
- 3:17Speaker 1: look at the day. Wow. Yeah, she demanded an audience.
- 3:20Speaker 2: But underneath that performance, she was carrying a lot of pain.
- 3:24Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 3:24Speaker 2: Friends and family noted she was teased unmercifully throughout her
- 3:27Speaker 2: childhood because of her size.
- 3:29Speaker 1: Oh, that's awful.
- 3:30Speaker 2: It is. And the psychological toll of severe bullying, especially
- 3:34Speaker 2: when it's compounded by those underlying abandonment issues we talked about,
- 3:39Speaker 2: it breeds a really pervasive low self-esteem.
- 3:42Speaker 1: Right. It just wears you down.
- 3:43Speaker 2: It does. And as she hit high school, that internal turmoil...
- 3:47Speaker 2: really started manifesting in her behavior. She went from being
- 3:50Speaker 2: an honor roll student to just skipping school entirely.
- 3:53Speaker 1: A complete shift.
- 3:54Speaker 2: Yeah, she started gravitating toward a dangerous crowd, essentially seeking
- 3:59Speaker 2: validation and a sense of belonging anywhere she could find it.
- 4:02Speaker 1: Which makes sense, you know, psychologically. She needed a geographic cure,
- 4:07Speaker 1: I think. So she decided to pack up and move
- 4:09Speaker 1: 600 miles away to live with her mother in Atlanta. Right. And,
- 4:13Speaker 1: you know, Atlanta is a massive hub for the entertainment industry.
- 4:16Speaker 2: Oh, huge. The new Motown.
- 4:18Speaker 1: Exactly. There is a rap studio on almost every corner,
- 4:21Speaker 1: television productions everywhere. So for someone who wanted a big
- 4:25Speaker 1: stage and a fresh start, it offered a total reinvention.
- 4:28Speaker 2: And initially, you know, she found traction there.
- 4:32Speaker 1: She did.
- 4:32Speaker 2: She started modeling. She actually landed a role as a
- 4:35Speaker 2: featured extra in a music video for a recording artist
- 4:38Speaker 2: named Chris Watt.
- 4:39Speaker 1: Okay, wow.
- 4:40Speaker 2: The song was called Gay or Open Fire. And she
- 4:43Speaker 2: had cultivated a very specific, striking look.
- 4:46Speaker 1: Like what?
- 4:47Speaker 2: Like a shaved, platinum blonde head, really bold fashion. She
- 4:51Speaker 2: was explicitly hired for this video because she was a
- 4:54Speaker 2: dead ringer for the model Amber Rose.
- 4:56Speaker 1: Oh, I can picture that perfectly.
- 4:57Speaker 2: Right. So she was stepping into the limelight and seemingly
- 5:01Speaker 2: finding that validation she was so starved for.
- 5:03Speaker 1: But, you know, the timeline goes completely dark shortly after that.
- 5:06Speaker 2: Yeah, it does.
- 5:07Speaker 1: The next time Bridget is seen, the circumstances are just
- 5:09Speaker 1: visceral and horrifying.
- 5:11Speaker 2: Truly awful.
- 5:12Speaker 1: Just before 7 a.m., her body is discovered in a
- 5:15Speaker 1: popular Atlanta park.
- 5:17Speaker 2: A public park.
- 5:18Speaker 1: Right, a place where families gather, you know, children play.
- 5:21Speaker 1: And she was found completely naked.
- 5:24Speaker 2: Wow.
- 5:25Speaker 1: A man walking through the park actually had to shoo
- 5:27Speaker 1: away a pack of stray dogs that were circling her
- 5:30Speaker 1: body before the police even arrived.
- 5:32Speaker 2: That is just, it's a terrifying image. It is.
- 5:36Speaker 1: And because she was found with no clothes, no personal effects,
- 5:39Speaker 1: and no I.D., The investigators had to rely entirely on
- 5:42Speaker 1: the forensics of her wound.
- 5:43Speaker 2: Right, to start building a profile of what happened. Exactly.
- 5:46Speaker 2: And the ballistics tell a highly specific, highly aggressive story.
- 5:51Speaker 2: She was shot seven times.
- 5:52Speaker 1: Seven times?
- 5:53Speaker 2: Yeah. And the medical examiner mapped the trajectory of those bullets,
- 5:56Speaker 2: and the autopsy report revealed that some of the shots
- 5:59Speaker 2: came from a straight down angle.
- 6:01Speaker 1: Wait, a straight down angle?
- 6:02Speaker 2: Yes. So in physical terms, that means she was likely
- 6:05Speaker 2: already dead or dying on the ground. And the shooter
- 6:09Speaker 2: stood directly over her. pointed the weapon straight down and
- 6:12Speaker 2: continued firing.
- 6:13Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
- 6:14Speaker 2: That is not a detached act of violence. You know,
- 6:17Speaker 2: that is deeply, deeply intimate.
- 6:19Speaker 1: And the actual ammunition used elevates this from like a
- 6:23Speaker 1: standard homicide to something much more terrifying.
- 6:26Speaker 2: Yeah, this part is crazy.
- 6:27Speaker 1: The shooter used what are called RIP bullets. That stands
- 6:31Speaker 1: for radically invasive projectiles.
- 6:34Speaker 2: Right. And what's fascinating here is, well, the engineering of
- 6:37Speaker 2: an RIP bullet is designed for catastrophic internal damage.
- 6:41Speaker 1: How does it work?
- 6:42Speaker 2: So unlike a standard full metal jacket bullet that might
- 6:45Speaker 2: just pass cleanly through a target, an RIP bullet features
- 6:49Speaker 2: a specialized tip made of multiple copper petals.
- 6:51Speaker 1: Okay.
- 6:52Speaker 2: They're called trocars. And when the bullet strikes soft tissue,
- 6:55Speaker 2: those petals break off and expand outward like a buzzsaw.
- 6:58Speaker 1: Oh, that's horrific.
- 6:59Speaker 2: It really is. It tears through organs and blood vessels simultaneously.
- 7:03Speaker 2: It is explicitly designed to cause massive instantaneous hemorrhaging.
- 7:07Speaker 1: Wow. And what that choice of ammunition tells us about
- 7:09Speaker 1: the killer's mindset is just huge.
- 7:11Speaker 2: Exactly.
- 7:12Speaker 1: I mean, the average person committing a random robbery or,
- 7:15Speaker 1: you know, a crime of opportunity, they don't load their
- 7:18Speaker 1: weapon with R.A.P. bullets.
- 7:19Speaker 2: No, these are really expensive, very specialized rounds.
- 7:23Speaker 1: Right. So when you combine the use of that specific
- 7:26Speaker 1: ammunition with the fact that she was shot multiple times
- 7:29Speaker 1: in the back while running, shot again while prone on
- 7:31Speaker 1: the ground. And then left completely naked in a highly
- 7:35Speaker 1: public place.
- 7:36Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 7:37Speaker 1: You are looking at the literal definition of overkill.
- 7:40Speaker 2: Yeah. It strongly indicates this was a deliberate orchestrated act
- 7:44Speaker 2: meant to send a terrifying message.
- 7:46Speaker 1: Definitely.
- 7:47Speaker 2: The nudity is a form of ultimate humiliation. The overkill
- 7:51Speaker 2: is a display of absolute rage and dominance. Investigators knew
- 7:55Speaker 2: immediately they were looking for someone who either harbored a
- 7:58Speaker 2: really deep personal hatred for her.
- 8:00Speaker 1: Right.
- 8:00Speaker 2: Or someone who needed to make a very public, gruesome
- 8:03Speaker 2: example out of her to intimidate others.
- 8:06Speaker 1: So that immediately sends investigators digging into Bridget's life in Atlanta.
- 8:10Speaker 2: Right, they have to retrace her steps.
- 8:12Speaker 1: Exactly. And a simple Google search of her phone number
- 8:15Speaker 1: and aliases uncovers this massive secret double life.
- 8:19Speaker 2: Yeah, it completely shatters the illusion of the glamorous music
- 8:22Speaker 2: video model.
- 8:23Speaker 1: Totally. They found active advertisements on a website called Backpage.
- 8:28Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Okay.
- 8:29Speaker 1: Yeah. Before it was shut down by federal authorities, Backpage
- 8:33Speaker 1: functioned essentially as the digital classifieds for the underground sex trade.
- 8:37Speaker 2: Right. And investigators found multiple ads featuring photos of Bridget
- 8:41Speaker 2: wearing very little clothing, presenting herself as an escort.
- 8:44Speaker 1: Do we know what names she was using?
- 8:46Speaker 2: She was operating under the names Nastia and Spice. Wow.
- 8:50Speaker 2: And the copy on the ads was really explicit. It read,
- 8:53Speaker 2: I make every encounter special and I aim to please
- 8:56Speaker 2: in the most desirable ways.
- 8:58Speaker 1: So her friends in Atlanta claim they were totally blind
- 9:00Speaker 1: to this.
- 9:01Speaker 2: Right.
- 9:01Speaker 1: But her grandmother, back in D.C., Beverly, she had a
- 9:05Speaker 1: very specific theory about it. Beverly strongly suspected that Bridget's
- 9:09Speaker 1: older boyfriend, a man named Kevin Kenny, had actually coerced
- 9:12Speaker 1: her into sex work.
- 9:14Speaker 2: Well, if the grandmother is right about Kevin forcing her
- 9:17Speaker 2: into this, we have to look at the environment where
- 9:19Speaker 2: that control was established.
- 9:20Speaker 1: Which was incredibly bizarre.
- 9:22Speaker 2: Right. They weren't just living together. They were trapped in
- 9:25Speaker 2: this crazy domestic pressure cooker.
- 9:28Speaker 1: Yeah, explain the setup.
- 9:29Speaker 2: So under one roof, you have Bridget, you have her
- 9:32Speaker 2: older boyfriend, Kevin Kenney, and you also have Kevin's former partner.
- 9:36Speaker 1: Wait, his ex was living there?
- 9:38Speaker 2: Yes. A woman named Brittany Alaka, who also happens to
- 9:41Speaker 2: be the mother of Kevin's child. All three of them
- 9:44Speaker 2: sharing a house. That is just.
- 9:46Speaker 1: The psychological warfare inherent in that living arrangement is staggering.
- 9:50Speaker 2: Oh, it's a nightmare. You take a 19-year-old with a
- 9:53Speaker 2: documented history of abandonment issues and low self-esteem... and you
- 9:57Speaker 2: place her in a highly volatile environment where she is
- 10:00Speaker 2: in direct daily competition with her boyfriend's former partner. Right.
- 10:05Speaker 2: It creates an atmosphere of constant hypervigilance and jealousy.
- 10:09Speaker 1: And the timeline of escalating violence in that house is
- 10:12Speaker 1: just a series of flashing red warning signs.
- 10:14Speaker 2: Yeah, the police were very familiar with that address.
- 10:16Speaker 1: Exactly. Just months before the murder... Bridget actually called 911.
- 10:21Speaker 1: We have the disaster audio. She asks to place a
- 10:23Speaker 1: restraining order on Kevin, explicitly stating that he hit her
- 10:27Speaker 1: in the face.
- 10:27Speaker 2: Wow.
- 10:28Speaker 1: But when the police arrive, she declines to press charges.
- 10:31Speaker 2: Which is unfortunately common in domestic situations.
- 10:34Speaker 1: Very common. So the police leave, but literally two days later,
- 10:38Speaker 1: law enforcement is called right back to the exact same house.
- 10:41Speaker 2: Let me guess, another fight.
- 10:42Speaker 1: Yeah. But this time, Bridget and the baby's mother, Brittany...
- 10:46Speaker 1: have gotten into a severe physical altercation. It's so violent
- 10:51Speaker 1: that both women are actually arrested and spend the night
- 10:53Speaker 1: in jail.
- 10:54Speaker 2: The baseline of communication in that household had completely devolved
- 10:57Speaker 2: into physical violence.
- 10:58Speaker 1: Completely.
- 10:59Speaker 2: And then you add an ultimate accelerant to the mix.
- 11:02Speaker 1: Right, the pregnancy rumor.
- 11:03Speaker 2: Exactly. A friend of Bridget's came forward and claimed that
- 11:06Speaker 2: Bridget was secretly pregnant and was absolutely terrified to tell Kevin. Oh, man. Now,
- 11:12Speaker 2: the autopsy later definitively proved that Bridget was not pregnant
- 11:16Speaker 2: when she died.
- 11:17Speaker 1: Okay, so it was just a rumor.
- 11:19Speaker 2: Right, but in closed, toxic ecosystems like that house, the
- 11:23Speaker 2: biological truth is kind of secondary. The rumor of the
- 11:27Speaker 2: pregnancy alone would have amplified the tension tenfold.
- 11:30Speaker 1: Oh, for sure.
- 11:31Speaker 2: It would make Bridget's relationship with Kevin and her rivalry
- 11:34Speaker 2: with Brittany feel suddenly permanent and inescapable.
- 11:38Speaker 1: Wait, I struggle to buy the trafficking theory completely here, though.
- 11:41Speaker 2: How so?
- 11:41Speaker 1: Let's look at her behavior. She was confident enough to
- 11:44Speaker 1: call 911 on him, and she was physically fighting the
- 11:48Speaker 1: other woman in the house to the point of getting arrested.
- 11:51Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 11:51Speaker 1: That just doesn't sound like a completely submissive, isolated trafficking victim.
- 11:56Speaker 1: That sounds like someone who was actively fighting back. Are
- 11:59Speaker 1: we sure she wasn't just hustling on Backpage of her
- 12:02Speaker 1: own volition to, you know, fund an escape from a
- 12:05Speaker 1: terrible living situation?
- 12:06Speaker 2: That is the critical question in parsing this dynamic. It
- 12:10Speaker 2: really is. The behavior you're pointing out, calling 911, getting
- 12:13Speaker 2: into physical fights, it does show resistance. Right. But coercive
- 12:18Speaker 2: control rarely operates as a perfect, unbroken chain of submission.
- 12:23Speaker 2: It usually starts with emotional manipulation.
- 12:25Speaker 1: How does that look in practice?
- 12:27Speaker 2: An abuser targets someone desperate for affection, offers them shelter
- 12:31Speaker 2: and the illusion of love, and then slowly, methodically erodes
- 12:35Speaker 2: their boundaries. Oh, I see. In many domestic trafficking dynamics,
- 12:39Speaker 2: the abuser... positions themselves as the protector against the outside
- 12:43Speaker 2: world while simultaneously exploiting the victim for financial gain.
- 12:47Speaker 1: So it's a push and pull.
- 12:48Speaker 2: Exactly. The fact that Bridget called 911 shows she knew
- 12:53Speaker 2: she was in physical danger, but the fact that she
- 12:55Speaker 2: ultimately refused to press charges and stayed in the house
- 12:59Speaker 2: shows that the psychological hold, or perhaps a financial dependence,
- 13:03Speaker 2: was still firmly intact.
- 13:04Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. So investigators naturally zero
- 13:08Speaker 1: in on Kevin Kenney.
- 13:09Speaker 2: Obviously.
- 13:09Speaker 1: And after dodging the media for months, Kevin finally sits
- 13:12Speaker 1: down for an exclusive interview. He is a guy with
- 13:16Speaker 1: a nonviolent criminal record, but there are these rampant rumors
- 13:19Speaker 1: floating around that he is affiliated with the Gangster Disciples.
- 13:23Speaker 2: Oh, wow. And for context, the Gangster Disciples are not
- 13:26Speaker 2: just a small neighborhood street crew.
- 13:28Speaker 1: No, not at all.
- 13:28Speaker 2: They are a massive, highly organized street gang with deep
- 13:32Speaker 2: roots across the South and a very corporate-like structure.
- 13:36Speaker 1: Exactly. So if Kevin is connected to them... the threat
- 13:39Speaker 1: level to Bridget and the resources available to orchestrate a
- 13:42Speaker 1: hit change entirely. Right.
- 13:45Speaker 2: It goes from a domestic dispute to an orchestrated gang hit.
- 13:48Speaker 2: So during the interview, Kevin vehemently denies any gang affiliation.
- 13:52Speaker 1: Of course he does.
- 13:53Speaker 2: He claims the police told him to his face that
- 13:55Speaker 2: he was their number one suspect. And his strategy is
- 13:59Speaker 2: to basically employ complete categorical denial of reality.
- 14:02Speaker 1: Like denying facts.
- 14:04Speaker 2: Yeah. When asked about the 911 call where Bridget reported
- 14:07Speaker 2: him hitting her, He claims absolute ignorance. He says, I've
- 14:11Speaker 2: never heard no call.
- 14:13Speaker 1: Even though the audio is public.
- 14:14Speaker 2: Right. Even when the interviewer points out that the audio
- 14:17Speaker 2: is a matter of public record, he just feigns bewilderment.
- 14:21Speaker 2: It is a really common deflection tactic. Deny the premise
- 14:24Speaker 2: of the question entirely rather than attempting to explain it.
- 14:27Speaker 1: He also flips the grandmother's theory completely on its head
- 14:30Speaker 1: regarding the escorting.
- 14:32Speaker 2: What does he say?
- 14:33Speaker 1: Kevin claims that Bridget was already posting those back page
- 14:36Speaker 1: ads long before she ever moved in with him.
- 14:38Speaker 2: Oh, really?
- 14:38Speaker 1: Yeah. He spins this narrative where he is the savior,
- 14:41Speaker 1: claiming he moved her in specifically to get her off
- 14:44Speaker 1: the streets. He says he wasn't cool with the sex
- 14:47Speaker 1: work at all.
- 14:48Speaker 2: I mean, that's convenient for him to say.
- 14:50Speaker 1: Extremely. But then he admits that the three-way living situation
- 14:53Speaker 1: became too much. He tells the interviewer he actually kicked
- 14:57Speaker 1: Bridget out about 30 days before her death to focus
- 15:00Speaker 1: on his family and his son with Brittany.
- 15:04Speaker 2: Oh, so he's trying to distance himself from the timelines.
- 15:07Speaker 1: Right. He even produces tears talking about how much he
- 15:10Speaker 1: misses Bridget and how he had plans to marry her.
- 15:12Speaker 2: Wow. But the performance only holds up until the very
- 15:16Speaker 2: end of the interview.
- 15:16Speaker 1: Right. The hot mic moment.
- 15:18Speaker 2: Yes. There is a hot mic moment that completely shatters
- 15:21Speaker 2: his composure. So the formal sit down is over. They
- 15:25Speaker 2: are outside getting some B-roll footage and the audio technician
- 15:28Speaker 2: catches Kevin whispering something under his breath.
- 15:31Speaker 1: Do we know what he said?
- 15:32Speaker 2: We don't. But the interviewer asks them what he just said.
- 15:37Speaker 2: And Kevin gets wildly defensive.
- 15:38Speaker 1: Interesting.
- 15:39Speaker 2: He starts stammering, demands to hear the Tate, and then
- 15:42Speaker 2: completely shuts down, crossing his arms and saying, my radar
- 15:45Speaker 2: is off. I'm not even taking you seriously right now.
- 15:47Speaker 1: You know, when someone is comfortably telling the truth, a
- 15:50Speaker 1: misunderstood whisper is usually just laughed off or like easily clarified.
- 15:55Speaker 2: Exactly.
- 15:55Speaker 1: That intense, immediate panic, the demand to know exactly what
- 15:59Speaker 1: the microphone picked up. It suggests extreme hypervigilance.
- 16:04Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 16:04Speaker 1: It is the reaction of someone terrified they just accidentally
- 16:07Speaker 1: dropped their mask.
- 16:08Speaker 2: Absolutely. But despite that highly suspicious behavior, Kevin actually manages
- 16:13Speaker 2: to talk his way out of the interrogation room.
- 16:16Speaker 1: Wait, seriously?
- 16:17Speaker 2: Yeah, he is never charged. Wow.
- 16:20Speaker 1: So that forces investigators to pivot back to the physical
- 16:23Speaker 1: evidence and the timeline of Bridget's final hours, just trying
- 16:26Speaker 1: to bridge the gap between her leaving her world and
- 16:29Speaker 1: ending up in that park.
- 16:30Speaker 2: Right, so the digital footprint becomes the entire focus of
- 16:33Speaker 2: the investigation.
- 16:34Speaker 1: Okay, so what does the digital footprint show?
- 16:37Speaker 2: The last night of her life is meticulously documented on Snapchat.
- 16:41Speaker 1: Of course.
- 16:41Speaker 2: Earlier in the evening, she posts videos of herself dancing
- 16:44Speaker 2: and just having fun. Then, at 10.30 p.m., she posts
- 16:48Speaker 2: a Snapchat from a location very close to where her
- 16:50Speaker 2: body would eventually be found.
- 16:52Speaker 1: Oh, that's eerie.
- 16:53Speaker 2: Is it a picture of her outfit? And the caption reads,
- 16:57Speaker 2: Too pretty to walk in the grass.
- 16:59Speaker 1: So she's just having a normal night out.
- 17:01Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the final documented moment of normalcy. She
- 17:05Speaker 2: calls a friend shortly after who reports she sounded completely fine. Right.
- 17:10Speaker 2: But within a single hour, the entire narrative violently shifts.
- 17:14Speaker 1: At 11.30 p.m., surveillance footage captures her at a Shell
- 17:17Speaker 1: gas station in Stone Mountain, Georgia.
- 17:20Speaker 2: Okay, so she's moved locations.
- 17:21Speaker 1: Yeah, and she is sitting in the passenger seat of
- 17:24Speaker 1: her own car, a red Ford Fusion.
- 17:26Speaker 2: Wait, her own car- But she's in the passenger seat.
- 17:29Speaker 1: Exactly. She is accompanied by two unidentified black males, and
- 17:34Speaker 1: according to the footage analysis, she looks highly distressed and unhappy.
- 17:37Speaker 2: I mean, to go from posting carefree selfies to sitting
- 17:40Speaker 2: captive in the passenger seat of your own vehicle with
- 17:42Speaker 2: two strangers in less than an hour means something escalated rapidly.
- 17:46Speaker 2: Pretty fast. Was this a meetup arranged through Backpage that
- 17:49Speaker 2: was actually an ambush? The sequence of events in that
- 17:52Speaker 2: 60-minute window remains a complete black hole.
- 17:55Speaker 1: It's so frustrating. And then two hours later, at 1.30 a.m.,
- 17:59Speaker 1: a 911 caller reports hearing multiple gunshots in the park.
- 18:03Speaker 2: The same park where she was found? Yes.
- 18:05Speaker 1: And the logistics of what happens next are baffling. Bridget's
- 18:09Speaker 1: red Ford Fusion is later found abandoned.
- 18:12Speaker 2: Where?
- 18:13Speaker 1: It is located just two miles from that Shell gas station,
- 18:15Speaker 1: but a full 20 miles away from the park where
- 18:18Speaker 1: she was murdered.
- 18:18Speaker 2: Wow. The movement of that vehicle implies a highly coordinated effort.
- 18:24Speaker 1: How so?
- 18:24Speaker 2: Well. After executing her in the park, the killers took
- 18:27Speaker 2: the time and the massive risk to drive her car
- 18:30Speaker 2: across the city to dump it. You don't move a
- 18:33Speaker 2: victim's car 20 miles by accident.
- 18:35Speaker 1: No, definitely not.
- 18:36Speaker 2: You do it to confuse the timeline, to muddy the
- 18:38Speaker 2: jurisdictional waters for the police, and to physically distance the
- 18:41Speaker 2: vehicle from the scene of the crime. It requires calm
- 18:44Speaker 2: under pressure and a deliberate, thought-out plan.
- 18:47Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting. Because while Bridget's case
- 18:50Speaker 1: leaves us with a prime suspect projecting innocence and, you know,
- 18:53Speaker 1: mystery men vanishing into the night, Our next case shows
- 18:56Speaker 1: us the exact opposite.
- 18:58Speaker 2: Oh, a complete pivot.
- 18:59Speaker 1: Yeah, it shows us what happens when the pressure inside
- 19:02Speaker 1: a deadly love triangle becomes so intense that one of
- 19:06Speaker 1: the conspirators finally buckles under the weight of their own plot.
- 19:09Speaker 2: Yeah, we move from the transient kind of underground world
- 19:13Speaker 2: of Atlanta to what appears to be a picture-perfect, idyllic
- 19:17Speaker 2: life in Teotihuacan, California.
- 19:20Speaker 1: Beautiful place.
- 19:21Speaker 2: It is. This is the case of Robert Leone. Right.
- 19:23Speaker 1: And on paper, Robert Leon is the gold standard of
- 19:26Speaker 1: a suburban neighbor. He was a beloved father, a dedicated
- 19:30Speaker 1: blue collar railroad worker, and just a pillar of his community.
- 19:33Speaker 2: The kind of guy you want living next door.
- 19:35Speaker 1: Exactly. If you car broke down, Robert was the guy
- 19:38Speaker 1: who showed up to help.
- 19:39Speaker 2: Right.
- 19:39Speaker 1: But his life ends in extreme targeted violence. He is
- 19:43Speaker 1: shot point blank twice in the head right at the
- 19:46Speaker 1: rail yard where he works.
- 19:47Speaker 2: Which is just shocking for a guy like that. Wimple arrive,
- 19:50Speaker 2: the initial scene mimics a robbery gone wrong.
- 19:53Speaker 1: That makes sense initially.
- 19:55Speaker 2: But investigators quickly realize the profile doesn't fit. A blue
- 19:58Speaker 2: collar railroad worker working his standard shift isn't typically the
- 20:02Speaker 2: target of a highly coordinated execution style hit unless there
- 20:07Speaker 2: is a very specific deeply personal motive.
- 20:10Speaker 1: Right. There's no reason to assassinate a railroad worker.
- 20:12Speaker 2: Exactly. And investigators soon discovered that the motive lived right
- 20:16Speaker 2: inside his own home.
- 20:17Speaker 1: Because behind the scenes of this wholesome suburban family life,
- 20:22Speaker 1: Robert's wife, Sabrina Leone, was orchestrating a massive double life.
- 20:26Speaker 2: A total facade.
- 20:27Speaker 1: Yeah. She is described as a blonde bombshell, the quintessential
- 20:31Speaker 1: soccer mom. But while Robert was working these long hours
- 20:34Speaker 1: on the rails to provide for the family, he Sabrina
- 20:37Speaker 1: was carrying on a scorching illicit affair with a 26-year-old
- 20:40Speaker 1: first responder.
- 20:41Speaker 2: Wow.
- 20:42Speaker 1: A firefighter named Jonathan Hearn, who was a full 10
- 20:45Speaker 1: years younger than her.
- 20:46Speaker 2: We really have to analyze the psychology of this specific pairing.
- 20:49Speaker 1: It's fascinating.
- 20:50Speaker 2: You have Jonathan, a younger man whose entire professional identity
- 20:54Speaker 2: as a firefighter is built around heroism, rescue, and saving lives. Right.
- 20:58Speaker 1: He's the hero.
- 20:59Speaker 2: Exactly. He develops a severe hero complex. He becomes completely
- 21:03Speaker 2: entangled with an older married woman. Police actually recovered thousands
- 21:07Speaker 2: of text messages between the two, revealing a profound, almost
- 21:11Speaker 2: adolescent obsession with each other.
- 21:13Speaker 1: Just completely toxic.
- 21:14Speaker 2: Very. They repeatedly discussed wanting to get married.
- 21:17Speaker 1: So the obvious question anyone would ask is, why not
- 21:19Speaker 1: just get a divorce? I mean, if you are that
- 21:22Speaker 1: obsessed with each other, go to a lawyer, file the paperwork,
- 21:25Speaker 1: and leave.
- 21:26Speaker 2: Right. It seems so simple. And the text messages revealed
- 21:29Speaker 2: that Jonathan actually pushed for exactly that.
- 21:31Speaker 1: He wanted her to leave Robert.
- 21:33Speaker 2: Yes. He asked Sabrina to divorce Robert. But Sabrina flat
- 21:37Speaker 2: out refused.
- 21:38Speaker 1: Why?
- 21:39Speaker 2: Her reasoning was purely logistical. She stated she didn't want
- 21:42Speaker 2: to deal with the messy child custody issues, the splitting
- 21:45Speaker 2: of assets, and the social fallout that would inevitably follow
- 21:49Speaker 2: a divorce.
- 21:49Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? We have to dig into the
- 21:52Speaker 1: cognitive dissonance required to make that leap. A divorce is
- 21:55Speaker 1: deemed too inconvenient. Custody battles are too stressful.
- 21:58Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 21:59Speaker 1: So the only logical solution her brain can arrive at
- 22:01Speaker 1: is to permanently erase her husband from the planet.
- 22:04Speaker 2: It's insane.
- 22:06Speaker 1: How does a seemingly normal soccer mom compartmentalize murder as
- 22:10Speaker 1: an easier path than signing divorce papers?
- 22:13Speaker 2: Is the ultimate escalation of conflict avoidance driven by narcissism?
- 22:17Speaker 1: Narcissism, right.
- 22:18Speaker 2: In certain psychological profiles, individuals with high social standing in
- 22:22Speaker 2: their community like Sabrina fear social humiliation more than they
- 22:27Speaker 2: fear breaking fundamental moral boundaries.
- 22:30Speaker 1: So a messy affair, being exposed or losing a custody battle...
- 22:35Speaker 1: It is a worse fate for her than killing someone.
- 22:37Speaker 2: Exactly. She stops viewing Robert as a human being and
- 22:40Speaker 2: starts viewing him purely as a logistical obstacle to her
- 22:43Speaker 2: preferred future.
- 22:44Speaker 1: That is so cold.
- 22:46Speaker 2: And what makes this case so uniquely terrifying is the
- 22:49Speaker 2: sheer level of premeditation. They didn't just snap during an argument.
- 22:52Speaker 2: They workshopped this murder like it was a corporate logistics project.
- 22:56Speaker 1: Right. They actually debated the methodology over text.
- 22:58Speaker 2: That's wild.
- 22:59Speaker 1: They discussed staging a car accident but worried it might
- 23:02Speaker 1: not be fatal. They discussed starting a fire, but Jonathan,
- 23:05Speaker 1: the firefighter, knew how easily arson is detected. Right.
- 23:08Speaker 2: He knew the investigative side.
- 23:10Speaker 1: Exactly. So ultimately, they settled on poison, specifically arsenic.
- 23:15Speaker 2: And Jonathan, the first responder trained in emergency protocols and systems,
- 23:19Speaker 2: is the one who executes the procurement phase.
- 23:22Speaker 1: Okay, so how does he get it?
- 23:23Speaker 2: He goes online and finds a chemical supplier that doesn't
- 23:27Speaker 2: require a background check. He uses a fake name. and
- 23:31Speaker 2: purchases a prepaid credit card to buy the arsenic, actively
- 23:34Speaker 2: utilizing his knowledge of investigative systems to try and remain untraceable.
- 23:38Speaker 1: But the reality is prepaid cards still leave a massive
- 23:42Speaker 1: digital trail.
- 23:43Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
- 23:44Speaker 1: Investigators can track the IP address used to make the
- 23:47Speaker 1: online purchase, trace the card back to the specific retail
- 23:50Speaker 1: store where it was bought, and, you know, pull the
- 23:52Speaker 1: CCTV footage of the person standing at the register buying it.
- 23:56Speaker 2: They're not as invisible as people think.
- 23:57Speaker 1: Not at all. But Jonathan thinks he's outsmarted the system,
- 24:00Speaker 1: and what he does next is deeply disturbing.
- 24:03Speaker 2: Yeah, this part is really tough.
- 24:04Speaker 1: He wants to be absolutely certain that the dosage he
- 24:07Speaker 1: has calculated will be lethal to an adult male. So
- 24:10Speaker 1: he decides to run a field test.
- 24:12Speaker 2: He takes the arsenic he procured and feeds it to
- 24:15Speaker 2: a neighbor's dog. A dog? A dog that he apparently
- 24:18Speaker 2: found too noisy. And when the dog disappears a few
- 24:21Speaker 2: days later, Jonathan simply assumes the poison was effective and
- 24:25Speaker 2: the dosage is correct.
- 24:27Speaker 1: That experiment on the dog is a massive psychological red flag.
- 24:31Speaker 2: A huge one.
- 24:32Speaker 1: You have a man whose entire career is dedicated to
- 24:35Speaker 1: saving lives, taking the life of an innocent animal just
- 24:39Speaker 1: to calibrate a murder weapon. Right. It demonstrates a complete
- 24:43Speaker 1: sociopathic detachment from empathy. Once he gets that sick confirmation,
- 24:48Speaker 1: they move to the execution phase. And the delivery method
- 24:51Speaker 1: they choose is so macabre.
- 24:53Speaker 2: It is. Sabrina decides to deliver the poison... in Robert's
- 24:57Speaker 2: favorite treat.
- 24:58Speaker 1: The pudding. Yes.
- 24:59Speaker 2: She makes the batch of homemade banana pudding with Nilla wafers,
- 25:02Speaker 2: and she meticulously laces it with the arsenic Jonathan provided. Wow.
- 25:06Speaker 2: Robert packs it up in his lunchbox and takes it
- 25:08Speaker 2: with him to the rail yard.
- 25:09Speaker 1: You know, if we connect this to the bigger picture,
- 25:12Speaker 1: the choice of poison via a favorite dessert is incredibly
- 25:15Speaker 1: telling about Sabrina's psychology.
- 25:17Speaker 2: Exactly. Psychologically, poisoning allows the killer to remain physically and
- 25:22Speaker 2: emotionally distant from the violence of the act.
- 25:24Speaker 1: You don't have to look the person in the eye. No.
- 25:27Speaker 2: You don't have to pull a trigger or feel the
- 25:29Speaker 2: physical resistance of another human being fighting for their life.
- 25:32Speaker 2: You just mix it into the pudding, smile, hand it over,
- 25:36Speaker 2: and let time and chemistry do the work.
- 25:38Speaker 1: It's so passive.
- 25:39Speaker 2: It allows someone who identifies as a nurturing soccer mom
- 25:42Speaker 2: to commit murder without feeling like a violent murderer in
- 25:46Speaker 2: the moment. It is the ultimate weaponization of domesticity.
- 25:50Speaker 1: That is a chilling way to put it. But the
- 25:52Speaker 1: plan falls apart. Right. And it doesn't fall apart because
- 25:55Speaker 1: Robert discovers it. It falls apart because Sabrina loses her nerve.
- 25:59Speaker 2: Which is surprising.
- 26:00Speaker 1: Yeah. But critically, she doesn't lose her nerve out of
- 26:03Speaker 1: a sudden wave of guilt or like renewed love for
- 26:07Speaker 1: her husband.
- 26:07Speaker 2: Of course not.
- 26:08Speaker 1: She panics because of logistics.
- 26:10Speaker 2: She realizes that if Robert suddenly drops dead at work,
- 26:13Speaker 2: the coroner will mandate an autopsy.
- 26:15Speaker 1: Exactly.
- 26:16Speaker 2: And if a heavy metal like arsenic is found in
- 26:18Speaker 2: his blood, a massive criminal homicide investigation will be launched.
- 26:22Speaker 2: and all roads will point directly back to the wife
- 26:24Speaker 2: who packed his lunch. Self-preservation kicks in entirely.
- 26:28Speaker 1: So she picks up the phone, calls Robert at the
- 26:30Speaker 1: rail yard, and says, Hey, there was an issue with
- 26:33Speaker 1: the milk or something when I made the pudding. It
- 26:35Speaker 1: didn't taste right. Just throw it out.
- 26:37Speaker 2: Wow.
- 26:37Speaker 1: And Robert, completely unsuspecting of the woman he loves, just
- 26:42Speaker 1: throws his poisoned dessert in the trash.
- 26:45Speaker 2: He was so close. With the clean, passive method of
- 26:49Speaker 2: poison off the table... and Sabrina still absolutely refusing to
- 26:53Speaker 2: go through with a divorce, they are forced to resort
- 26:55Speaker 2: to a dirty, direct method.
- 26:57Speaker 1: Violence.
- 26:58Speaker 2: Violence. This is where the firefighter crosses the point of
- 27:01Speaker 2: no return, armed with Robert's specific work schedule, which Sabrina
- 27:05Speaker 2: provided to him, by the way.
- 27:06Speaker 1: Right.
- 27:07Speaker 2: Jonathan goes to the rail yard. He approaches this unsuspecting
- 27:10Speaker 2: father and shoots him twice in the head.
- 27:12Speaker 1: It is a brutal, up-close execution.
- 27:15Speaker 2: It is.
- 27:15Speaker 1: But unlike a cleverly disguised poisoning, a shooting leaves a
- 27:19Speaker 1: massive amount of physical evidence.
- 27:20Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. Investigators find surveillance footage capturing Jonathan's vehicle leaving
- 27:25Speaker 2: the scene of the murder.
- 27:26Speaker 1: That's careless.
- 27:27Speaker 2: Very. They pull the phone records and immediately find the
- 27:30Speaker 2: thousands of incriminating text messages detailing the affair and the
- 27:35Speaker 2: plotting between him and Sabrina. The net closes rapidly. and
- 27:38Speaker 2: Jonathan is arrested.
- 27:39Speaker 1: And this is the moment where the dynamic of the
- 27:41Speaker 1: love triangle completely fractures under the weight of the law.
- 27:45Speaker 2: Oh, it shatters.
- 27:46Speaker 1: Sabrina is also arrested initially. However, because the physical evidence,
- 27:51Speaker 1: the surveillance footage, and the ballistics points so heavily to
- 27:55Speaker 1: Jonathan being the one who actually pulled the trigger.
- 27:57Speaker 2: Right, the smoking gun.
- 27:58Speaker 1: Exactly. The police don't have enough direct physical proof to
- 28:02Speaker 1: hold her on murder charges at that moment, so she
- 28:05Speaker 1: is released for lack of evidence linking her to the
- 28:07Speaker 1: real yard.
- 28:08Speaker 2: It's incredible. She treats Jonathan like a human hitman for hire.
- 28:11Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is.
- 28:13Speaker 2: The second the contract goes bad and the police get involved,
- 28:16Speaker 2: she severs ties and walks away. She doesn't stand by him.
- 28:19Speaker 2: Not at all. She packs up her kids, moves 100
- 28:22Speaker 2: miles away, and completely cuts off Robert's family. She refuses
- 28:26Speaker 2: to let the grandparents see the children.
- 28:28Speaker 1: That's just cruel.
- 28:29Speaker 2: It is. She isolates herself entirely, attempting to build a
- 28:33Speaker 2: new firewall and pretend none of this ever happened.
- 28:36Speaker 1: Leaving Jonathan completely isolated, sitting in a jail cell, staring
- 28:39Speaker 1: down the barrel of a life sentence.
- 28:41Speaker 2: Yep. And investigators know exactly how to play this.
- 28:44Speaker 1: Right. They know he's the weak link.
- 28:46Speaker 2: It's a classic application of the prisoner's dilemma. They let
- 28:50Speaker 2: Jonathan sit in that cell, and stew in the reality
- 28:53Speaker 2: of Sabrina's betrayal.
- 28:55Speaker 1: Just let him simmer.
- 28:56Speaker 2: Right. They let him realize that he threw away his career,
- 28:59Speaker 2: murdered an innocent man, and destroyed a family, all for
- 29:02Speaker 2: a woman who abandoned him the second it became legally convenient.
- 29:05Speaker 1: Which is brutal. And on the absolute eve of his
- 29:09Speaker 1: murder trial, the hopeless romantic finally wakes up.
- 29:11Speaker 2: He realizes he's been played.
- 29:13Speaker 1: Big time. And he decides to become the star witness
- 29:16Speaker 1: against her.
- 29:17Speaker 2: He takes a plea deal. He accepts a sentence of
- 29:19Speaker 2: 25 years and four months in prison.
- 29:21Speaker 1: Which is a long time, but it's not life.
- 29:23Speaker 2: Right. And in exchange, he sits down with investigators and
- 29:27Speaker 2: outlines the entire sprawling conspiracy.
- 29:30Speaker 1: He gives them everything.
- 29:32Speaker 2: Everything. He walks them through the texts about custody, confesses
- 29:35Speaker 2: to testing the arsenic on the neighbor's dog and details
- 29:38Speaker 2: exactly how Sabrina lived. laced the banana pudding.
- 29:41Speaker 1: His confession is the keystone.
- 29:43Speaker 2: It really is.
- 29:43Speaker 1: It provides investigators with the direct evidence they need to
- 29:47Speaker 1: rearrest Sabrina Leone. She is officially charged with murder, conspiracy
- 29:51Speaker 1: to commit murder, and solicitation to commit murder.
- 29:54Speaker 2: So what does this all mean? When we look at
- 29:57Speaker 2: Bridget Shiel in Atlanta and Robert Leon in California, we
- 30:00Speaker 2: are looking at vastly different worlds.
- 30:02Speaker 1: Totally different demographics.
- 30:04Speaker 2: Right. One is a teenager caught in a transient, highly
- 30:07Speaker 2: volatile environment. The other is a blue-collar father living a
- 30:10Speaker 2: stable suburban life. But at their core, both of these
- 30:14Speaker 2: cases are driven by the exact same toxic force.
- 30:16Speaker 1: Yeah. They both center around intense romantic entanglements and the
- 30:21Speaker 1: chilling human capacity to look at a complicated domestic problem.
- 30:24Speaker 1: whether it's a messy living situation under one roof or,
- 30:27Speaker 1: you know, a custody battle and a divorce, and decide
- 30:30Speaker 1: that the most efficient solution is to extinguish a human life.
- 30:34Speaker 1: It highlights the terrifying contrast between the public personas we
- 30:38Speaker 1: project and the dark realities hidden underneath.
- 30:41Speaker 2: Oh, completely.
- 30:41Speaker 1: I mean, Bridget was posting smiling Snapchats about being too
- 30:44Speaker 1: pretty to walk in the grass just an hour before
- 30:46Speaker 1: she was fighting for her life in a car.
- 30:48Speaker 2: Right.
- 30:49Speaker 1: And Sabrina was the wholesome soccer mom baking her husband's
- 30:52Speaker 1: favorite dessert, methodically lacing it with poison, the facade is
- 30:56Speaker 1: incredibly thin.
- 30:57Speaker 2: It really is thin. And that brings us to a
- 31:00Speaker 2: final thought based on what we've unpacked today.
- 31:02Speaker 1: Let's hear it.
- 31:03Speaker 2: Consider the role of environment and technology in modern investigations.
- 31:07Speaker 1: Okay.
- 31:08Speaker 2: In Bridge's case, the timeline was built on Snapchat geotags,
- 31:12Speaker 2: gas station surveillance footage, and digital footprints left on Backpage.
- 31:16Speaker 1: Right, all digital.
- 31:17Speaker 2: And in Robert's case, the conspiracy was unraveled through internet
- 31:21Speaker 2: search histories for untraceable arsenic, prepaid credit card logs, and
- 31:26Speaker 2: thousands of recovered text messages.
- 31:28Speaker 1: The digital breadcrumbs are absolutely everywhere.
- 31:31Speaker 2: They are. It forces us to ask a profound question.
- 31:35Speaker 2: Is it even possible to commit a truly secret crime anymore?
- 31:39Speaker 1: That's a good question.
- 31:41Speaker 2: People spend immense amounts of energy trying to hide their
- 31:44Speaker 2: true lives, their affairs, and their dark impulses from each other.
- 31:48Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 31:49Speaker 2: But every text message sent in a moment of anger,
- 31:53Speaker 2: Every late-night Internet search, every location pinged from a cell
- 31:56Speaker 2: phone tower is recorded.
- 31:57Speaker 1: Constantly.
- 31:59Speaker 2: Perhaps the scariest takeaway isn't just that the people closest
- 32:02Speaker 2: to you might be capable of living a double life.
- 32:04Speaker 1: Right.
- 32:04Speaker 2: It's that our digital life always serves as a silent,
- 32:07Speaker 2: impartial witness, just waiting in the servers to be uncovered.
- 32:11Speaker 1: Wow.
- 32:12Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 32:12Speaker 1: A silent witness that never forgets. Something to think about
- 32:15Speaker 1: the next time you hit send.