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Teen Killer Livestreams After Taking His Final Victim · The conspiracy

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  Speaker 1: Is it going.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, just figured i'd send a quick check.
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  Speaker 3: This is Paul Ferguson. Tragically, his brother Timothy passed away
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  Speaker 3: just prior to this live stream.
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  Speaker 2: For those of you who aren't aware, my little brother
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  Speaker 2: has passed away and it's a lot to deal with,
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  Speaker 2: but we're.
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  Speaker 3: Fine with such devastating news. Viewers quickly showed him support
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  Speaker 3: during this terrible time. But unbeknownst to Paul's fans, this
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  Speaker 3: would be his last live stream ever because, as it
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  Speaker 3: turns out, Paul himself was behind the death of his
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  Speaker 3: younger brother.
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  Speaker 2: Name what's your emergency?
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  Speaker 4: Okay YEA.
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  Speaker 3: On the sixth of July twenty twenty two, at six
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  Speaker 3: thirty seven pm, police were called to assist with a
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  Speaker 3: medical emergency just outside of Grand Rapids in Michigan. A caller,
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  Speaker 3: Shonda vander Ark, mother of Paul and Timothy, had told
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  Speaker 3: paramedics that Timothy wasn't breathing. Just seven minutes after arriving
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  Speaker 3: on the scene, Timothy was pronounced officers had never seen
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  Speaker 3: anything like it. Timothy was malnourished, bruised, and hypothermic. There
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  Speaker 3: were bones protruding from his skin, and despite being five
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  Speaker 3: foot eight, he weighed just sixty nine pounds. Most concerning
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  Speaker 3: it was where they actually found Timothy. He was lying
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  Speaker 3: in a small closet that reeked of urine feces. Inside
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  Speaker 3: was a blue tarp and an Amazon box, and just
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  Speaker 3: outside were a pair of ankle shackles. There were also
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  Speaker 3: multiple cameras around the room and an alarm on the
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  Speaker 3: door he was found in. Undoubtedly, something was incredibly wrong,
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  Speaker 3: but police hadn't even scratched the surface of just how
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  Speaker 3: horrible this case would turn out to be. So to
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  Speaker 3: maybe shed a little light on what just happened here,
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  Speaker 3: Officer Sean Stephanich decides to talk to his seemingly grieving mother, Shanda.
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  Speaker 5: Home, ma'am, I'm.
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  Speaker 6: Officer stefanis right now.
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  Speaker 5: We got some people coming over.
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  Speaker 7: To talk to you. Okay, he's been worrying, really loose
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  Speaker 7: close the last couple of weeks. He's really he's really skinny,
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  Speaker 7: and I didn't notice till this morning because he wouldn't
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  Speaker 7: like I asked him if he's.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, and he would not answer me, like he's Christine.
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  Speaker 8: He's been.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I know how bad he was.
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  Speaker 8: Oh my god, he did this second struggle reserve. I
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  Speaker 8: thought he did this, I don't know second, like a
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  Speaker 8: January for almost three weeks, and then he said he
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  Speaker 8: ate some he ate something last night. I didn't ever
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  Speaker 8: know what it was.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. This is where police realized that Shonda's emotions
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  Speaker 3: might all be an act, and as they would uncover
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  Speaker 3: more evidence in the house and talk to her son Paul,
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  Speaker 3: these claims would slowly fall apart. So as the officer
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  Speaker 3: listens to her side of the story, he'll be looking
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  Speaker 3: for anything to latch onto that they can use against
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  Speaker 3: them later to determine the truth.
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  Speaker 8: I had no idea I would have taken him in
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  Speaker 8: or something.
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  Speaker 9: They said the last time he saw was five thirty
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  Speaker 9: this morning.
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  Speaker 5: Did he say anything.
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  Speaker 8: He had fallen out of bed, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Five thirty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he sure it wasn't earlier.
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  Speaker 8: I mean it's possible. I thought it was five thirty,
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  Speaker 8: but I wasn't super awake. I heard a thunk, and
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  Speaker 8: I came down and he's kind of laying on his side,
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  Speaker 8: kind of like what the heck? Every seld.
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  Speaker 4: S, Oh my god.
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  Speaker 3: Timothy was pronounced dead at six forty four am that morning,
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  Speaker 3: just an hour after Shonda claims she last talked to him.
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  Speaker 3: The reason the officer seemed suspicious is because the first
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  Speaker 3: responders noticed that rigor mortis had already started setting in,
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  Speaker 3: tightening his facial muscles. This usually starts anywhere from two
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  Speaker 3: to four hours after death, not the barely one hour
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  Speaker 3: that Shanda is claiming here. But the real question is
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  Speaker 3: how Shonda never noticed just how skinny and emaciated Timothy
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  Speaker 3: really was. This sort of malnourishment doesn't just happen overnight,
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  Speaker 3: So the officer asks her to explain herself.
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  Speaker 8: I asked him to eat last night because his face
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  Speaker 8: started looking a little bit. I'm like, okay, and he
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  Speaker 8: wouldn't show. I'm like, let me see, hold your shirt up,
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  Speaker 8: and he wouldn't hold his shirt up. He wouldn't do anything.
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  Speaker 5: Did he get real skinny last time too?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 8: The only reason I know is because my seven year
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  Speaker 8: walked in on him accidentally when in this hour downstairs,
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  Speaker 8: and then my seve year.
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  Speaker 5: Old comes up, He's like, MoMA, Timothy's really skinny.
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  Speaker 10: I was like, was that this time or last time?
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  Speaker 11: Last?
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  Speaker 8: Told him he was either gonna start eating ever multiple
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  Speaker 8: times a day, or I was taken in the hospital
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  Speaker 8: and E didn't want to go to the hospital.
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  Speaker 10: So we end up eating on his own.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and then so this last time was it because
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  Speaker 3: your husband wasn't home.
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  Speaker 8: He hasn't been home since dan Ory third. He actually
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  Speaker 8: mentioned he was hungry the day his stepdad or his
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  Speaker 8: dad has step one called to tell us they were
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  Speaker 8: divorced of moving to Florida last week.
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  Speaker 3: Shonda is essentially saying that Timothy wasn't eating because of
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  Speaker 3: a quote hunger strike campaigning against family problems. Back in January,
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  Speaker 3: Adam vander Ark, Shanda's husband had a stroke and had
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  Speaker 3: to move out due to issues accessing their home. Apparently
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  Speaker 3: this caused Timothy to stop eating for three weeks, and
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  Speaker 3: he only started again after threats of being taken to
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  Speaker 3: the hospital. But for the last two weeks he'd stopped
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  Speaker 3: eating again, allegedly this time due to his biological father
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  Speaker 3: divorcing his wife and moving away to Florida. Each of
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  Speaker 3: these events did indeed happen, but as it would turn out,
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  Speaker 3: they had nothing to do with Timothy's hunger at all.
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  Speaker 3: I tried to the last year.
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  Speaker 8: He just wouldn't let me anywhere near him. He didn't
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  Speaker 8: want to kiss the hut. Mushn't think last night. P
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  Speaker 8: Oh my god, it's just a bigger beat. I feel
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  Speaker 8: like such a failure.
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  Speaker 6: You see this through in the house.
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  Speaker 8: They really like that.
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  Speaker 3: It would turn out Timothy wasn't hiding anything from her,
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  Speaker 3: but police had to get to the bottom of what
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  Speaker 3: exactly she knew. So after this initial questioning phase ended,
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  Speaker 3: police handed over the case two detectives who obtained a
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  Speaker 3: search warrant and began to collect evidence throughout the house.
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  Speaker 3: That's when they found leg shackles in a drawer, four
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  Speaker 3: webcams scattered strategically placed around a basement, zip ties in
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  Speaker 3: the bathroom, a half empty bottle of extreme regret Carolina
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  Speaker 3: Reaper hot sauce, and locks on every single fridge, freezer,
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  Speaker 3: and pantry in the house. This to de picture of
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  Speaker 3: a helpless boy forced to live inhumanely among his own
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  Speaker 3: dirt and felth watched every second of the day and
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  Speaker 3: brutally toured until the very end. The next day and
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  Speaker 3: autopsy was conducted on Timothy's body, finding even more strange
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  Speaker 3: and worrying things. He had extremely sunken eyes, slightly blue
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  Speaker 3: tinted skin, and there were many signs of dehydration as well.
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  Speaker 3: His cause of death was determined to be dehydration and
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  Speaker 3: extreme emaciation due to starvation, with hypothermia playing a role too.
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  Speaker 3: With all of this information and evidence gathered, the police
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  Speaker 3: knew something foul had to be a play. They just
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  Speaker 3: weren't sure what. Starvation in a house filled with food,
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  Speaker 3: hypothermia in the middle of an American summer, alongside hot
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  Speaker 3: sauce and handcuffs. It had to all come together somehow.
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  Speaker 3: So the day after Timothy's death, at three point fifty
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  Speaker 3: seven PM, they bring in Paul Shanda's twenty year old
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  Speaker 3: son for interrogation to try and uncover what all this
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  Speaker 3: could possibly mean and how exactly he was involved. What
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  Speaker 3: Paul doesn't know is that they've already collected a mountain
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  Speaker 3: of evidence. Detective Ryan Peask is going to use a
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  Speaker 3: five step program to slowly extract the truth from Paul,
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  Speaker 3: starting by getting on his good side and ending by
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  Speaker 3: tearing into him and making him feel so guilty he'll
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  Speaker 3: have no choice but to confess to everything.
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  Speaker 10: I want.
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  Speaker 6: The rushed out here. I want who lives your phones? Okay,
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  Speaker 6: communication from your lover.
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  Speaker 3: Yet, as mentioned, police have spent the last twenty four
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  Speaker 3: hours coming over text messages camera recordings, crime scene images,
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  Speaker 3: and much more to try and get a good picture
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  Speaker 3: of what had happened. So as the cases with many
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  Speaker 3: younger suspects, Detective Peace will start calmly trying to put
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  Speaker 3: Paul at ease and get on its good side before
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  Speaker 3: slowly breaking him down and exposing the truth.
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  Speaker 6: I know that we talked yesterday. I know that not
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  Speaker 6: everything that we talk about this was yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: That's okay.
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  Speaker 6: You don't have to feel bad.
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  Speaker 12: You don't have to feel guilty about not telling the
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  Speaker 12: truth to me much using the struts really happen.
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  Speaker 6: But that means there a lot of massages about that.
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  Speaker 6: He has to do anything about what was eating? About
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  Speaker 6: striking food?
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  Speaker 12: How did that?
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  Speaker 6: How did that all work? We start restrictions racially because
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  Speaker 6: we had noticed it. Then we wanted to get that harm.
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  Speaker 6: We didn't want we want.
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  Speaker 13: I don't love to do so much. Yeah, I can't
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  Speaker 13: tell that tell And we wanted to beast pass to
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  Speaker 13: you wanted that time to happen.
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  Speaker 12: Enough where it would be safe, back where we wouldn't
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  Speaker 12: have to worry and we can restrictions.
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  Speaker 6: We made sure that it was something calories and everything.
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  Speaker 6: There was rice or bread and pizza.
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  Speaker 3: Throughout the thousands of texts detectives have between Paul and Shanda,
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  Speaker 3: there's a huge amount of talk about food restrictions. It
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  Speaker 3: doesn't take much to realize that this was why Timothy
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  Speaker 3: was thin as he was. Peace will focus more on
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  Speaker 3: this later. What's more interesting, though, is how Paul justified this.
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  Speaker 6: We made sure, calories everything.
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  Speaker 3: These aren't Paul's own thoughts. This is just what he's
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  Speaker 3: been told by his mother since the started. Over the
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  Speaker 3: course of several months, he's internalized it and now seems
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  Speaker 3: to fully believe that what he's been doing to Timothy
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  Speaker 3: is for his own good.
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  Speaker 6: We've got everything we were the ways that because he
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't see held just he should have help ask so
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  Speaker 6: much so I believe it was okay.
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  Speaker 14: My dad's controlish, he didn't want to have any contact
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  Speaker 14: and them all his control.
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  Speaker 3: Of Note how the only consequence that Paul mentions here
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  Speaker 3: is the facts that they take away his phone occasionally,
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  Speaker 3: something fairly inocuous. It's also worth mentioning just how quickly
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  Speaker 3: he tries to put Timothy and his father down in
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  Speaker 3: exactly the same way his mother was known to do.
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  Speaker 3: But as Paul continues talking, it becomes clear exactly how
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  Speaker 3: much of a problem this has actually become, and that
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  Speaker 3: he might have actually been strongly manipulated by her to
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  Speaker 3: do all of this.
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  Speaker 6: Emotional relief. I was so terrified that I didn't want.
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  Speaker 12: Em and it was.
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  Speaker 6: So terrified here.
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  Speaker 1: I can't.
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  Speaker 6: Do it in the right ways. I never do it any.
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  Speaker 5: Undone.
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  Speaker 6: He's a blessing. He's a blessing.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, before having her third son, Gabriel, Shanda had
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  Speaker 3: a procedure to restore her fertility. To her having Gabriel
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  Speaker 3: was a miracle because she didn't know if this would work.
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  Speaker 3: That's likely why I know evidence was ever found of
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  Speaker 3: her harming Gabriel, because he was by far and away
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  Speaker 3: her favorite child. That does, however, provide a hammering reason
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  Speaker 3: for why she might have abuse Timothy so much. He
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  Speaker 3: was her problem child, and she didn't like the fact
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  Speaker 3: he had so many mental health conditions, so she wanted
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  Speaker 3: to take her anger out on and deal with the
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  Speaker 3: problem directly.
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  Speaker 15: I would call an attitude because unnecessary, and she would
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  Speaker 15: get off my sister, because that was what it was around.
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  Speaker 6: Because I'll be honest, I have not very much of
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  Speaker 6: that didn't even give me a home. So now you're
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  Speaker 6: in work.
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  Speaker 10: Bills my father, she doesn't force me peck for.
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  Speaker 5: Wait both.
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  Speaker 10: My mother can father right now, we shouldn't want.
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  Speaker 12: To call him because the one thing that she and
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  Speaker 12: I know as if he's going to every house blame
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  Speaker 12: he can't her.
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  Speaker 3: Listen to how he's talking about his father. He's only
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  Speaker 3: able to say negative things about him and brings these
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  Speaker 3: points up even while unprompted. He clearly has a strong
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  Speaker 3: dislike of his father and talks about him like a
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  Speaker 3: divorced partner. Take a guess where that stemmed from. It's
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  Speaker 3: clear his mother has been feeding him lies in negativity
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  Speaker 3: about his father, and there's no clearer example of this
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  Speaker 3: than what he says next.
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  Speaker 6: I'm here into because for the time after I had
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  Speaker 6: moved out of my parents house, will.
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  Speaker 3: Both Nobody was tricked. Shanda simply was a bad person.
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  Speaker 3: The police report contains countless witness testimonies from family, friends,
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  Speaker 3: and teachers who knew something was wrong and believed Shanda
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  Speaker 3: to be a bad parent. This wasn't an uncommon opinion.
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  Speaker 3: One of Timothy's teachers even told the cops that all
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  Speaker 3: the teachers knew he wasn't cared for at home and
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  Speaker 3: that he lived through hell most of his life. But
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  Speaker 3: to save face, Shanda would make up lies to tell
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  Speaker 3: Paul that made her seem perfect and kept his respect
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  Speaker 3: at the cost of making his father seem downright evil.
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  Speaker 3: That's what makes this case so controversial. Paul was almost
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  Speaker 3: certainly not in control for the majority of this, and
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  Speaker 3: he was definitely manipulated by his mother to some extent,
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  Speaker 3: but he still went through with everything, and that's what
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  Speaker 3: a jury would end up focusing on.
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  Speaker 1: As a fair concerned It was.
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  Speaker 12: Just you know what you mean that made really react
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  Speaker 12: to take it after or yeah, honestly, that.
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  Speaker 15: Probably would have been one too, and then he sid
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  Speaker 15: to be sure like he likes, so it was just
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  Speaker 15: basically up right.
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  Speaker 6: Or something along the line. Yeah, but the thing is yesterday,
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  Speaker 6: and I think the day before he could walk.
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  Speaker 14: He might be a little support every so often, like
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  Speaker 14: he put his hand against the wall or grabbed the
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  Speaker 14: rail of the stairs, but after a couple.
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  Speaker 6: Of seconds he'd let it go. It to be fine.
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  Speaker 6: It was never anything major. When was like the last
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  Speaker 6: time he was really like talking to you, like able
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  Speaker 6: to add a conversation.
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  Speaker 11: About his trick comes last time he actually talked was
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  Speaker 11: three days ago.
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  Speaker 6: But the day before or the day after that, the
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  Speaker 6: day before yesterday he could talk.
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  Speaker 11: He talked a small amount in the morning, but then
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  Speaker 11: ages sort of making problems and moments.
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  Speaker 3: And it must take an astonishing amount of delusion to
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  Speaker 3: believe that not being able to walk or speak isn't
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  Speaker 3: anything major. But in reality, that's not what they thought.
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  Speaker 3: They thought he was faking it entirely. In fact, on
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  Speaker 3: the day before Timothy died, Shanda told Paul to wave
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  Speaker 3: warm pizza rolls just in front of him and take
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  Speaker 3: them back if he tries to eat them. It all
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  Speaker 3: just seems as though they were messing with him to
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  Speaker 3: satisfy their own sadistic desires.
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  Speaker 11: Okay, taking a bath and I went in there to
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  Speaker 11: check on at one form and now but you Okay, he.
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  Speaker 10: Didn't respond, but he was looking around so and he
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  Speaker 10: was breathing.
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  Speaker 12: I know that much.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but he was the talk of that no, and.
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  Speaker 6: It started to do for me. I'm not sure to
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  Speaker 6: kiss mom about.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I probably shouldn't tell you about the year one though, stupid.
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  Speaker 12: You have to think about it like this, right, She's
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  Speaker 12: strong at all, and that that's all right, you made
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  Speaker 12: it from what I see, you may.
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  Speaker 6: Use time to say we need to do something about Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I know she's a good person.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Paul is beating himself up because he knows that
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  Speaker 3: he assisted in all of this. But notice how Peace
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  Speaker 3: is still trying to reassure Paul and shift the blame
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  Speaker 3: away from him. Fortunately, this is about to pay off
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  Speaker 3: massively as he starts to talk more about the punishments
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  Speaker 3: that Timothy was put through.
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  Speaker 16: I think right now a time where it's the time
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  Speaker 16: trying to figure out what can you've changed, what cool
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  Speaker 16: have done differently? How do we get the pore at
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  Speaker 16: because you know clearly ready gets say that love nice
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  Speaker 16: to go to that?
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 6: How he wuns with that? Right? That's a cool ice
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  Speaker 6: cool back. I didn't.
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  Speaker 12: How many times you.
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  Speaker 6: Asked as cool bats worth.
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  Speaker 14: I think.
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  Speaker 6: I don't exactly real the number. But it wasn't a
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  Speaker 6: lock day, every other day five.
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  Speaker 3: Peace actually knows exactly how often these baths occurred because
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  Speaker 3: Paul and Shanda documented every single instance of this over text,
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  Speaker 3: and Timothy was subjected to them constantly. Even worse, they
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  Speaker 3: would last up to nine hours at a tahima. And
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  Speaker 3: remember Timothy weighed only sixty nine pounds. He barely had
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  Speaker 3: a drop of body fat on him, meaning that he
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  Speaker 3: would have felt the effects of the cold considerably more
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  Speaker 3: than the average person. This is why the autopsy turned
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  Speaker 3: up the evidence of hypothermia and ruled it as one
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  Speaker 3: of his main causes of death.
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  Speaker 5: Why well, a.
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  Speaker 15: Cold but also pot and wasn't too happy with absolutely
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  Speaker 15: to the house and gets.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, as Peake mentions, Timothy didn't sleep in a bed.
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  Speaker 3: He slept in a small, cramped closet that he couldn't
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  Speaker 3: even stand up in. And the punishment that Paul mentioned,
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  Speaker 3: well that would have actually happened either way. Inside the
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  Speaker 3: basement where Timothy slept were multiple cameras and an alarm
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  Speaker 3: on the door. If he'd have gone to the bathroom instead,
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  Speaker 3: then he would have been punished for leaving his room.
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  Speaker 3: Timothy was completely trapped.
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  Speaker 12: We win.
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  Speaker 5: He'd always whined the we so you guys, there's a liar,
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  Speaker 5: or as.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: When you would try to see because I noticed.
• 21:07
  Speaker 17: There's also one on the garage, or that was also
• 21:10
  Speaker 17: because yeah, there's some food.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: In there, which had seen And it wasn't just that
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: he was hungry at some points. For those it was
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: that he wanted somebody see again.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Peace is being extremely nice and agreeing directly with what
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: is said, trying to make him feel like what he's
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: saying is still fine. So he incriminates himself even further.
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: Talk about how long was he red a week or two?
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: We we.
• 21:42
  Speaker 14: Do rhyme sandwiches, and I think it's some points we
• 21:48
  Speaker 14: actually give him like a meal.
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: What why the news the thing?
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Paul has no idea what to say. He's starting to
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: realize just how cruel everything he did was, and the
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: gravity of the situation has just hit him. He starved
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: his little brother to death, and he can't even think
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: of a reason why. Regardless of the circumstances or how
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: much influence his mother had over him, he still did
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: all of these horrifying things. And there's still even more to.
• 22:22
  Speaker 18: Come, and all that of Mesash and his book, but
• 22:32
  Speaker 18: it is still for him.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: There would be times where it would.
• 22:38
  Speaker 12: Be there.
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: It was.
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: What no.
• 22:55
  Speaker 14: California two those I mean as sauce, definitely.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Very Elijah's extreme regret. Hot sauce is reviewed as not
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: being something you mess around with. It measures out to
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: eight hundred thousand Scoville heat units just shy of what
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: a fresh ghost pepper would be. Paul and Shonda would
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: routinely feed this to Timothy as a punishment, as well
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: as putting it on the only real food he would
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: get in a day. Peace also made sure to ask
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Paul what Scoville units were to make sure he knew
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: exactly how bad what he was doing was. He confirmed
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: that this was very, very hot, to the point of
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: being painful, yet he still went through with what he
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: did for weeks so hot sauce.
• 23:59
  Speaker 15: One time we put it in some rice, but after that,
• 24:03
  Speaker 15: I don't think we could die in what was the
• 24:06
  Speaker 15: school right?
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: Because you was the curas of the houses.
• 24:10
  Speaker 10: I know it was punishment, but honestly, I don't think
• 24:12
  Speaker 10: it was that useful.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: Because I said he had no feeling in this time.
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: He he totally bit a hole in at one point
• 24:18
  Speaker 10: he didn't even feel it.
• 24:20
  Speaker 12: Was he polity, Yeah, because I really apostas really.
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: Other fast.
• 24:28
  Speaker 12: From the bread and rice. But is that not that
• 24:31
  Speaker 12: I know of?
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: Did you see it?
• 24:34
  Speaker 12: Guy?
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: During weeks? It was even more lad to be less
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: detasitive or it wasn't what change would you moved into
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: doing that?
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: There would be times where it would take him a
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: moment to respond. At first I thought it was just
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: him acting, but then I was getting concerned.
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: I think a week or so, maybe go up. Yeah,
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: So the house Sauce opera.
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: If you are.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Throughout this interrogation, Paul has been consistently using his mother
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: as a scapegoat for everything he's done. That he was
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: just following her orders. But at the same time, it's
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: obvious that he knows his brother was suffering through all
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: of this. Many people are familiar with the Stanford Prison experiment.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Twenty four male college students were split into either guards
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: and prisoners, and for two weeks they were supposed to
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: simulate a prison. However, after just six days, the experiment
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: had to be terminated due to extreme behavior. The guards
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: quickly adapted to their position of power and due to
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: their role being enforced invalided by the event conductors, they
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: began to abuse the prisoners to the point of emotional distrants.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: That is to say, Paul was given the opportunity to
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: be in control and he took full advantage of it,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: abusing his position. At the same time, though Paul is
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: an adult and at any point he could have decided
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: to stop or alert somebody about all of this, but
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: he never did. Peak is also starting to realize this.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: So from here on out, he's going to slowly put
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: on the pressure that will eventually break Paul and to
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: make him fully realize the gravity of what he's done.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: So I know that yesterday sty wrong. Well, she was
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: lying about some stuff, right. I know this is a
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: good person. I'm not adding that at all. I don't
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: learn anything, but you also are.
• 26:25
  Speaker 12: You also know this psycho to some of the things
• 26:27
  Speaker 12: that she's probables though the truth right about She says
• 26:31
  Speaker 12: she didn't know.
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: It was a king of the bat. But the fact
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: of the matter, she asked me if she sent you a.
• 26:35
  Speaker 12: Text message, she said, let make sure the camera's in
• 26:38
  Speaker 12: there and and take a shower.
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: Curtain downs life ins the NDA. She asked you that
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: to day that the day before he passed away. Yeah,
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: I know this Pepper sports for punishment. And what does
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: she say? She said, I didn't know anything about that.
• 26:53
  Speaker 10: I think she don't want to appear like a bad person.
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: She doesn't want to be the bad guy, and he
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: never wanted.
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: He wanted.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: I know that.
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: Something is not that I'm afraid of her. I can't
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: hear her, I still hear still word costume that he
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: still has a fear and she would be the same.
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: She's not, She's not. She knows.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: The pressure is already starting to cause Paul to resort
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: to cathartic statements for him. Notice how as soon as
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Peak says she was lying, he praises her and makes
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: excuses for her, and then immediately puts his dad down,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: saying that she's nothing like him. He's scared, and he's
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: trying to throw himself back into a world where he
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: feels safe and comfortable. But that's not the world he
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: lives in, and Peace is about to expose that once
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: and for all.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: First, Okay, he was in that closet, this right there
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: by them.
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: Yea almost that. I'm sorry that it was that a lie? Yeah?
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: Did you come up with that?
• 28:11
  Speaker 12: I know?
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: Or is somebody act doesn't help any points? You think
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: that he mostly do us best for anybody?
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: That's what you talk I know she wants to best
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: all of us.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: So that's that question. Somebody asked you to say that.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: I can't put that on my Peak notices him start
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: to shut down under the pressure, so eases off just
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: a little, trying to reassure him again that he's not
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: in any trouble and that this isn't his fault. Peak
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: is almost there. He just needs to get a little
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: more information out of him for the confession, and can't
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: risk Paul shutting down now in the.
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: Morning because obviously whoa, whoa that?
• 29:00
  Speaker 10: But I woke up and I had been grabbing my shoes.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: It basically helped played out like we said.
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: The whole morning thing was exact. He was He wasn't
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: breathing in closet that it was the closet though we
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: had to get.
• 29:12
  Speaker 18: Him out of the closet trying to sustay you need
• 29:16
  Speaker 18: u to put him out of closet to see old
• 29:18
  Speaker 18: of that one?
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: Where is he in diaper? What's that same? He had
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: a shirt?
• 29:24
  Speaker 14: I think we had put him in pants or sweatpants,
• 29:28
  Speaker 14: maybe some pint in the night you checked them off?
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: Who you weren't there the little too?
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: That?
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: No, so I you know if little movie you see
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: them in mind?
• 29:39
  Speaker 12: Yeah?
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: So do you know if he had pants out that one?
• 29:41
  Speaker 10: You know, I'm honestly, but he didn't have them when
• 29:44
  Speaker 10: we got around.
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: He had the diaper on at least, so he has
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: a diaper on. Here, somebody has his shirt on.
• 29:50
  Speaker 18: What should they's the very same sweat shirt that we
• 29:53
  Speaker 18: counted it because obviously we didn't want him to get cold,
• 29:56
  Speaker 18: or I don't think Mama wanted him to get cold.
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: The pant boost them on.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Peak is asking some very specific questions about when Timothy
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: was found. What Paul doesn't know is that the cops
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: have an audio recording from one of their cameras from
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: the exact moment they found Timothy dead. Peak knows for
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: certain that both Paul and Shonda have been lying this
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: whole time and tried to cover the death up. This
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: is Peak's chance to strike. He's now multiple steps ahead,
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: and as Paul on the back foot, He's now going
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: to start tearing into Paul and his mother, ripping his
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: worldview to shreds and exposing them for what they really are.
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: At that time, she decides that she's gonna like that.
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: I don't understands.
• 31:18
  Speaker 10: That we never weren't in collecting him, by saying.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: That talk writers, she didn't want to see like this,
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: She didn't want to see this. She loves to see this.
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: Did you know that it all seem like that?
• 31:32
  Speaker 12: Right?
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: How do you feel a lot during that. How does
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: I look to feel? I know she doesn't want to
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: be She never wanted this. He loved to him so much.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: He thinks about love.
• 31:45
  Speaker 16: This one thinks about that one wants to do, not
• 31:48
  Speaker 16: knowing how any of the situation we didn't know that didn't.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Just look at how uncomfortable Paul is now. He can't
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: sit still. He's covering his face and body as often
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: as he can, and he's almost always hunched over. He's
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: really starting to panic now and has barely even started
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: ripping into him.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: You need him, I agreed, tell.
• 32:08
  Speaker 10: Her the same things him a bunch better.
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: How does that happen? You couldn't have both just possibly
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: made up this sort so she told me. She told
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: me what to say. Is gonna look back for you
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: that it's not just that we loved him. I asked
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: you this. Lets straight up. He keeps saying love, love.
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: Do you feel like this was love? That he's step
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: and need food? Does that feel like love to you?
• 32:32
  Speaker 12: He's because he canna eat, And I don't know anybody
• 32:35
  Speaker 12: who thinks that's love. What I think is happening is
• 32:37
  Speaker 12: your mom convinced you that she's just perfect person and she's.
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: Asking me to do all these things that are literally
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: killing your brother. She's not perfect.
• 32:47
  Speaker 12: How do you love ice fats, house love, handcuffing and
• 32:51
  Speaker 12: house love, restricting movement?
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: And almos loves hot sauce in the mouth?
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: And any eating bread of what if your what do
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: you want you have to eat bread? How is you feel?
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: What do you when you get to be brought of
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: hot sauce?
• 33:03
  Speaker 12: Would you eat?
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: She's not kind to think, but she's not a person.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: You know any good people child to tell me about?
• 33:12
  Speaker 12: That's a child that has a lot of problems, right,
• 33:14
  Speaker 12: some childhood's taken care of himself.
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: How is that a loving person? How's that a lovely mother?
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: You know? That auso to me? And honestly, the worst
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: of all I've ever met in my entitle life is
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: sous to me.
• 33:25
  Speaker 10: Maybe he's taking food because he must all live.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: You've ever thought about that? Yes, so they can survive.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Paul has fully collapsed in on himself at this point.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: His worldview is starting to break into pieces. The person
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: he looked up to, respected and loved is now being
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: painted as a monster that's going to prison for the
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: rest of her life. The worst part he hasn't even
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: realized that he might be facing the exact same consequences.
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: She puts you right in the middle the store.
• 33:55
  Speaker 12: It looks like some of the stuff, you're happy and
• 33:57
  Speaker 12: it actually looks uff in some of these things, you
• 34:00
  Speaker 12: kind of enjoy it.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Did you kind of.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: Enjoy punching for an offense? Do you feel like he
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: kind of enjoyed punching things?
• 34:06
  Speaker 12: Maybe not that he was in pain, but you were
• 34:09
  Speaker 12: in charge and you got to tell him you can't
• 34:11
  Speaker 12: do that, go do this.
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: This is you punch it? Do you like some of that?
• 34:16
  Speaker 12: How come you guys are laughing yoka about it? Sometimes
• 34:19
  Speaker 12: smiley faces. There's no way that you can look at
• 34:22
  Speaker 12: yourself and think that's okay. Why couldn't he be a
• 34:25
  Speaker 12: piece of chicken? Why couldn't beat that? Why did he
• 34:29
  Speaker 12: have to be bred with hot sauce? I think they're
• 34:32
  Speaker 12: way more and act to do with mom.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: This is actually the defense that Paul would use in court,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: and the trial would turn out to be even more
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: interesting than the interrogation. You would try to claim that
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: he wasn't the one in control at all, He was
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: just following his mother's orders, doing what he was telling him.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: But unfortunately for him, there were messages like these, along
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: with much more evidence he yet to be discovered, that
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: made it hard to believe that this was the truth.
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: Oh, where I recruit something?
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: Would you everything?
• 35:03
  Speaker 12: Right now?
• 35:04
  Speaker 10: How didn't you feel about living a life.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: Where you hit that your brother wasn't needing from society,
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: that you hit that your brother was dying? How do
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: you feel about that? I hate myself. I pass my
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: stuff on the daily. Died right eating up to it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: And she wanted him to sleep in the cub, that's
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: what I read. Did that happen? Did he sleep in
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: the cub? No, he didn't know.
• 35:25
  Speaker 12: He didn't that bathtub and you guys dragged it into
• 35:27
  Speaker 12: that closet and wait for the morning.
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: The publics that's not what happened. No, do you think
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: that message is just a little bit suspicious.
• 35:34
  Speaker 12: That she sent you out just about midnight and says
• 35:37
  Speaker 12: he's in the closet, that I could drag me in there.
• 35:40
  Speaker 12: You don't think he was already dying her dad at
• 35:42
  Speaker 12: that point doesn't even seem like maybe he was already dead, that.
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: She put it in there so that he could wake
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: up and then died, and.
• 35:48
  Speaker 12: You sleep and she can't call the police when he's
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: in an ice bath and he freezes and dies.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Whether this was true or not or remain a mystery
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: for a while, but whatever the case, there was certainly
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: a large attempted cot her up by both Shanda and
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Paul to try and make it seem like this was somehow,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: some way natural causes. Timothy was treated like dirt until
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: the very end, and Detective Piece has had.
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: Enough, can't you can live with myself?
• 36:14
  Speaker 12: But how do you feel over and over when finding
• 36:17
  Speaker 12: your mother about how good she is? Do you feel
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: like that's the truth anymore? I'm quite a disgusted by her.
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: I'm a disgusted by her.
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: She never wanted this. And how smart is you? She's
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: incredible intelligent?
• 36:29
  Speaker 10: How include loud you right type thought?
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: How can you win this?
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: This smart, this intelligent graduate from law school?
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: How could she not know what's happening? How could she
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: get Pista? How does she not know she? How does
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: she not see her? These waste in a way?
• 36:47
  Speaker 12: And you here, you're telling me that you've got from
• 36:50
  Speaker 12: sometimes tell that you put your graduated in high school.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: And it's very obvious to you that he's not He's.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: Got manutrition writer.
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: It's very nice to you, but your mom's and.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: She's very smart.
• 37:08
  Speaker 12: Happen.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 37:09
  Speaker 10: I don't know exactly what happens.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: What she thought was going to happen.
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: She never wanted him.
• 37:16
  Speaker 12: She loved him.
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: That's loved you.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Everything that we talked about is love.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Even through the shouts of an enraged detective Peace, Paul
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: still defends his mother to the very end, trying to
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: come up with excuses for her and even take the blame.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: But that would all come to an end on trial.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: In the meantime, though, just five days after his interrogation,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Paul decided to go live on Facebook to update his
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: friends and family on everything that had happened. Given what
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: we know now, the surviving video is probably one of
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: the most eerie pieces of footage we've ever shown on
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: this channel.
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: Everybody, I just figured i'd send a quick check.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: We're doing good right now. Just dozed off on the
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: couch unintentionally in it. For those of you who aren't aware,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: my little brother has passed away and it's a lot
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: to deal with, but we're fine.
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: But yes, he's supported.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Yes, don't say that, you know, it would of course
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: be his mother that faced the majority of the heat
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: for Timothy's murder, So Paul decided that he would testify
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: against his mother in an attempt to get a lighter
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: sentence for himself. And during the course of this trial,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: we'd get even more information about other punishments in torture
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: that Timothy was put through.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: Were there any restrictions on his movement inside the closet
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: or was it he could move around?
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: However?
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: On it inside the closet, there were restrictions. What would
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: the restrictions on his movement?
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Hands on his head?
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: Normally, hands on his head, that's that dudicated?
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: Is that some form of discipline for him?
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, on his knees and against the corner on the wall.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna say, hands on head. I'm going to demonstrate
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: to put my hands just over my head like this.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: Is that what he was required to do?
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: He was required to be on his knees as well, Yes, sir.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: Was he monitored to make sure that he was doing
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: those things?
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir?
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: For how long would he have to do these things?
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Several hours?
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Timothy, serving with essentially zero muscle on his frame, was
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: forced to sit in a dark closet with his hands
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  Speaker 3: on his head for hours at a time. Most people's
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: arms would start to ache after just five minutes. But
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: on top of watching him as he was like this,
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: listen to how they made sure that he never slipped up.
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  Speaker 5: Did you utilize some type of alarm or alarms on
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: his body to alert you if.
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  Speaker 12: He was moving?
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  Speaker 1: A vibration detector?
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  Speaker 5: Yes? Was there more than one that he was required
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: to were at times?
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: At times? Yes?
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: Where were those devices located on in his body?
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: They were normally tied to the back loop of his belt.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: Was there something placed on his wrist as well at
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: any point?
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  Speaker 2: Han cuffs and before that zem tizz zip pups, and
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: those were designed to restrict what movement.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, if he was to move or set those
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: alarms off, he'd be punished again, likely with hot sauce
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: or another ice bath. Trials like this always give a
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: horrifying amount of insight into cases like this. As Paul
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: was made to testify against his mother, he consistently spilled
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: more and more details about exactly how he and his
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: mother ended up killing Timothy, such as some of the
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: ways they made sure he was never able to eat.
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  Speaker 5: There are some text messages. Do you recall a text
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: message to change with your mother and wove it's Ron
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: April or so, whether you've learned her to the fact
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: that he's eaten some part of a burger?
• 40:50
  Speaker 10: Yes? What was it?
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: What part of the burger? Is it the eights?
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: The crust?
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: What was your mother's response when you told her that
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: she that he had eaten the crust of that bark?
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Make him throw it up?
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  Speaker 5: Did you try to do that?
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  Speaker 1: I tried it first, Yes.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: How did you try to do that?
• 41:05
  Speaker 17: Putting a finger into his mouth as instructed in the
• 41:09
  Speaker 17: back of his throat too, and do his vomiting.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: So who gave the instruction to put your finger in
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: the back of his throat?
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  Speaker 1: Shanda?
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  Speaker 5: Was there ever any other time where she instructed it
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: to make Timothy throw up?
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: Yes?
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  Speaker 17: At one point she had me eat up a pizza
• 41:21
  Speaker 17: role too, see if he would be responsive to enticement.
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  Speaker 5: Did you actually do that?
• 41:26
  Speaker 12: Yes?
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I held it close and when he responded, as per instruction,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I was pulled it away from him, so.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: He didn't get to eat pizza role.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Paul is making an extreme effort to consistently say he
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: was instructed to do everything he's trying to throw as
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: much blame off himself as possible, almost to the point
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: where he's painting himself as a robot that simply followed
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: what Shanda told him to do. The thing is. In
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: a second interview, conducted a week after the first, Paul
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: was a lot more transparent. He admitted that he liked
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: the praise from Shanda, that he liked having power and
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: control over Timothy, that he felt good while doing it,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: and that he did everything willingly. Lastly, he said he
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: felt that he was as much murderer as his mother.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: All of that made it incredibly difficult to believe Paul
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: when he stated that everything was just done as for
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: his mother's orders. At the end of the day, Paul's
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: motives and precise involvement in Timothy's death will never be known.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: He did contribute to his in fact, he carried out
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: and enforced the majority of punishments that caused his death,
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: but whether he actually wanted to do any of this
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: is a different story. The general consensus is that he
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: was manipulated by his mother. She made him feel that
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: what he was doing was the right thing and it
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: was all just to help him. That explains why Paul
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: was parroting so many strange statements, held such hatred for
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: his father, and started all of this. A jury would
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: conclude that over time, it seems as though he grew
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: to enjoy what he did and abuse his power, just
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: as the guards did in the Stanford prison experiment, and
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: that's the perspective a jury ended up taking. Before his sentencing,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Paul was evaluated by multiple doctors and experts in different
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: fields and was found not to have any intellectual issues
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: nor mental disorders. Paul was of sound mind and it
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: was determined he had mental and physical control over everything
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: he did. So with that in mind, it was time
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: for his sentencing, but not before the judge was given
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: the opportunity to finally speak his mind and tell Paul
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: exactly how he feels about him.
• 43:25
  Speaker 9: Mister Ferguson is trying to shift blame from him to
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: his mother, to say this somehow she's the one who
• 43:32
  Speaker 9: did this. This has been a careful, manipulated story, mister
• 43:36
  Speaker 9: Ferguson from the very beginning of this thing, that he's
• 43:39
  Speaker 9: going to put the blame on his mind. In my opinion,
• 43:42
  Speaker 9: Paul Ferguson was predisposed to abuse his brother independent of
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: his mother's present and active influence in his life. I
• 43:51
  Speaker 9: think he's one step away from becoming a psychopath like
• 43:54
  Speaker 9: his mother, and the court is concerned that he represents
• 43:58
  Speaker 9: a danger to the public. Mister Ferguson, and I think
• 44:00
  Speaker 9: you are a product of your environment. But I don't
• 44:03
  Speaker 9: believe you that you're sorry. I don't think you have empathy.
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: I don't think you have any emotion whatsoever. And that's
• 44:09
  Speaker 9: what scares the court.
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: Believe me.
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: I have tried to sit here and try to think, well,
• 44:14
  Speaker 9: maybe mister Ferguson's not as bad as mom.
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: I think you're just as bad, if not worse.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Shonda vander Ark was charged with first degree murder and
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: first degree child abuse and was sentenced to life in
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: prison without the possibility of parole, plus fifty years for
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: the child abuse charge. Her son, Paul Ferguson, was charged
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: with first degree child abuse resulting in the death of
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: his younger brother, Timothy Ferguson. This was his sentence and
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: his reaction.
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: You intentionally and systematically tortured this child.
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: Based on all that sentence of the court.
• 44:48
  Speaker 9: You served thirty years to one hundred years in department corrections.