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ARMED PERV RISES FROM BACK SEAT OF MINIVAN, MOM & KIDS SCREAM IN FEAR! 'DON'T BE A VICTIM' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. When you aren't driving along
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  Speaker 1: in your car, do you zone out, listen to music,
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  Speaker 1: your favorite songs, talk radio serious? Don't? And I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you why. First of all, I'll tell you all about
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  Speaker 1: it in this brand new book took two years to
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  Speaker 1: research right and get to You don't be a victim
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  Speaker 1: fighting back against America's crime wave. You don't have to
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  Speaker 1: be power less. You can fight back. And let's start
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  Speaker 1: with you in your car driving dangers. I want you
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  Speaker 1: to meet who I now consider a friend of mine.
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  Speaker 1: Her name is Dorothy Baker. She's a mother of six,
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  Speaker 1: and she lived to tell a tale to save you.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, Dorothy Baker, thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. What happened when you went into the CVS.
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  Speaker 1: I got him in the car. We went through the
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  Speaker 1: driver's side, front seat and I had him climb over
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  Speaker 1: the seat, and my five year old was buckling up
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  Speaker 1: my two year old and we take off. And what
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  Speaker 1: kind of car is it? It was a It was
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  Speaker 1: a dodged Grand Caravan. It was a minivan. So you
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  Speaker 1: have a minivan like me. Okay, so you're getting into
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  Speaker 1: a van and you all get in on the driver's side. Now,
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  Speaker 1: does it have one of those instant door openers where
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  Speaker 1: you just pushed the button and it opens. No, it
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  Speaker 1: didn't have that. But my keythob, I guess there was
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  Speaker 1: some kind of deep factory default or some something that
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  Speaker 1: are defect. And when you impress so the keysob to
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  Speaker 1: lock the doors. The doors looked locked, but they didn't
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  Speaker 1: always lock. Real number one lock your doors. Dorothy thought
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  Speaker 1: the doors were locked, but they weren't. With me an
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  Speaker 1: all start panel to break it down and put it
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  Speaker 1: back together again to help you fight back. Joining me,
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  Speaker 1: of course, Dorothy Baker. Jim Elliott, lawyer with Butler Snow.
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  Speaker 1: You can find him at Butler snow dot com. Karen Stark,
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  Speaker 1: New York psychologists joining us from Manhattan at Karen Stark
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  Speaker 1: dot com. Steve Lampley, detective author of twelve and Murdered
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  Speaker 1: on Amazon at Steve Lampley dot com. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
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  Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon
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  Speaker 1: and Star and You Showed Poisonous Liaisons on the True
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  Speaker 1: Crime Network. Joseph Scott Morgan, Tom Paterri, America's leading personal
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  Speaker 1: safety expert, author of Tampa Terri's Personal Protection Handbook and
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  Speaker 1: it's awesome. And to Ray Kiputo, lead news anchor w
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  Speaker 1: DBO Orlando. You know, Ray Kaputo, We're gonna get to
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  Speaker 1: the rest of Dorothy's story. But crimes on people in
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  Speaker 1: cars happened all of the time. I can't tell you
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  Speaker 1: how many nights, Ray Kiputo. I'll be sitting there in
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  Speaker 1: Anchelin's studios, in a dark studio, and I would start
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  Speaker 1: the story off with white minivan tag x y Z
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  Speaker 1: one two three, last seen in her car, in her Volkswagen,
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  Speaker 1: in her Honda. I mean, I said it over and
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  Speaker 1: over and over, people being veered off the road, road raged,
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  Speaker 1: stopped in their cars, attacked, kidnapped, and murdered, over and
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  Speaker 1: over and over. How many stories have you covered like that,
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  Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo. Nancy and the Orlando area here is it's NonStop.
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  Speaker 1: We have I four tons of traffic, people always get around,
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  Speaker 1: lots of tourists, especially which are easy targets. You know.
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  Speaker 1: But just said, yesterday morning there was a murder, suicide
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  Speaker 1: in the car, another car jacking. I mean, it really
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  Speaker 1: is non stop nowadays. Well, I'll tell you this much.
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  Speaker 1: They messed with the wrong mom, They're in Baytown, Texas
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  Speaker 1: when they tried to mess with Dorothy Baker, mother of six.
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  Speaker 1: So Dorothy, what happened next? I drive away and my son,
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  Speaker 1: my oldest boy, decided that he was gonna unbuckle a
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  Speaker 1: seat bolt to try to get the donuts, and I
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  Speaker 1: told him to sit down. Wait a minute, how do
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  Speaker 1: donuts get into this? Where were the donuts? We had
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  Speaker 1: actually saw the man at Kroger right across the street.
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  Speaker 1: I went to Kroger's first. You saw him at Kroger? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I was walking into Kroger's because I was going
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  Speaker 1: to grab a few items and then turn in a
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  Speaker 1: red box. ND. When when I first saw him, I
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  Speaker 1: had to pass by him. I thought maybe he might
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  Speaker 1: have been a worker. But um, like the feeling that
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  Speaker 1: I got when I saw him, my whole body just
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  Speaker 1: kind of moved away from him, like I don't need
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  Speaker 1: to be around him. He had a very bad vibe.
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  Speaker 1: If if you can believe that, you know, just Steve Lampley,
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  Speaker 1: detective author of twelve and Murder, right there, I want
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  Speaker 1: to ask you a bad vibe? You know, I've heard
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  Speaker 1: crime victims say that a million times, and it's it's
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  Speaker 1: happened to me too. Instinctively, you know somebody is violent
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  Speaker 1: or bad at I don't think it's a hunch, Steve Lampley.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's part of instinct born over thousands of
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  Speaker 1: thousands of years. Nancy, you're correct, and I can't tell
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  Speaker 1: you not only from the victim's standpoint of people that
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  Speaker 1: I have talked to who have told me the very
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  Speaker 1: same thing. I got a feeling. I had this gut instinct,
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  Speaker 1: I had something, and even myself, as a police officer,
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  Speaker 1: have had that happen. And when you go to check
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  Speaker 1: or you follow through, your gut instinct is correct. I
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  Speaker 1: always listen to people who tell me I felt this
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  Speaker 1: or I felt like that always, you know, Karen start
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  Speaker 1: A psychologists joining us from Manhattan. A lot of pseudo
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  Speaker 1: intellectuals will probably disagree with me, but I have been
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  Speaker 1: known to quote get a feeling and it turns out
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  Speaker 1: to be exactly right. It's some kind of something you
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  Speaker 1: pick up off the person because you hear Dorothy talking,
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  Speaker 1: she saw the guy and she almost physically recoiled. You
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  Speaker 1: have to trust your instincts in these cases, Nancy, because
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  Speaker 1: I think it's part of our DNA, you know, You're
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  Speaker 1: talking about an instinct that has grown inside of people,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a reason that it's there. You have the history,
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  Speaker 1: and you've got to pay attention to it. It's very,
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  Speaker 1: very important. If it feels bad, go with your gut,
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  Speaker 1: you know. To you, Dorothy Baker, one of our favorite
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  Speaker 1: things to do is to drive to it. It was
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  Speaker 1: for a long time, for ten years across the street
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  Speaker 1: from where I lived. My favorite thing in the world
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  Speaker 1: to eat a Crispy Crane donut. You know, hot donuts,
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  Speaker 1: now the glazed ones. Long story short, Let me get
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  Speaker 1: off the donuts and back to your story. What happened next? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I told my five year old son at the time.
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  Speaker 1: He got up to get some donuts and I told
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  Speaker 1: him to sit down. Well, when he went to sit
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  Speaker 1: back down, he actually saw the guy and he said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: who are you? Oh my stars, and I looked in
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  Speaker 1: my rear view mirror, and that's when he grabbed my
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  Speaker 1: son and put the knife in my son's throat. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just trying to take in what you are saying. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Joseph S. Gott Morgan, Professor Forensics. There's even
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  Speaker 1: a movie, which of course I've shown the twins rear window,
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  Speaker 1: and it's in our psyche. I mean it's in our
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  Speaker 1: subconscious looking in the rear window and seeing just what
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  Speaker 1: Dorothy's describing Right now. You see a guy come up
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  Speaker 1: in the rear window, and you've got your children back there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a forensic scientist by trade, Nancy, and I gotta
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  Speaker 1: tell you these feelings that people have. You see this
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  Speaker 1: threat that's approaching, and your sense to start tingling, and
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  Speaker 1: you know that there's something wrong. This is the reality.
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  Speaker 1: I have seen the end result of these things that
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  Speaker 1: have gone bad over and over and over again. It
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  Speaker 1: is better to react to that good instinct than to
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  Speaker 1: have something really really bad happen. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys,
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  Speaker 1: don't be a victim fighting back against America's crime wave.
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  Speaker 1: This is a labor of love. My proceed is going
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  Speaker 1: to National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Took over
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  Speaker 1: two years to research right and get this to you.
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  Speaker 1: I take all the cases I investigated, all the cases
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  Speaker 1: I personally prosecuted and covered over all these years to
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  Speaker 1: make a difference, to come up up with something not
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  Speaker 1: just rehash the bloody details of cases, but to figure
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  Speaker 1: out what if anything have we learned? How can we
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  Speaker 1: use that knowledge so we don't go through life powerlessness?
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  Speaker 1: Power less against those stronger or more cunning than we are,
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  Speaker 1: those people that are predators, that think differently than we do.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like the feeling of power lesteness. Don't live
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  Speaker 1: that way. Learn what you can do to fight back,
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  Speaker 1: because you can. With me. Special guest Tom Petery, America's
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  Speaker 1: leading personal safety expert, author of Tom Petteri's Personal Protection Handbook.
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  Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, Tom, in most cases, the
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  Speaker 1: vast majority of cases, once the perp is in your car,
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  Speaker 1: it's over once they get in your car. Yes, And
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  Speaker 1: the problem with this is there's two ways to deal
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  Speaker 1: with things. You'd be proactive or reactive. We're a reactive society.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we get ourselves into different troubles. We're preoccupied
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  Speaker 1: with things like that. Proactive. Let's look at the vehicle
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  Speaker 1: as a protective veil. When you go to your vehicle,
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  Speaker 1: especially with kids, you need to bypass that vehicle, maybe
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  Speaker 1: one car. Take a good look at the surroundings of
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  Speaker 1: the vehicle. If you see somebody coming towards you, you
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  Speaker 1: get those kids closer to you. You go back to
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  Speaker 1: where you came from. As you circle into the vehicle,
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  Speaker 1: look into that vehicle, as with Miss Baker said about
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  Speaker 1: her locks not being locked because of the keypad, So
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  Speaker 1: you look inside the vehicle and believe you, when you
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  Speaker 1: have kids on your hands, it's even more cumbersome to
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  Speaker 1: do this. But if we take that five second or
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  Speaker 1: six seconds of safety, it could prevent us from being
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  Speaker 1: a victim. Dorothy, You're a miracle. You are a miracle
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  Speaker 1: that you survive to join us today. What happened next?
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  Speaker 1: While I'm driving, I'm trying to dial nine one one
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  Speaker 1: without him seeing me with my phone, and when he
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  Speaker 1: ends up jumping into the climbing over the seats and
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  Speaker 1: into the front seat. He saw me with my phone
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  Speaker 1: and he tried to get it, and I moved my hand,
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  Speaker 1: but I hit my hand on the door and my
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  Speaker 1: phone dropped in between the door and the seat, and
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  Speaker 1: he's trying to get it. I'm trying to drive, and
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  Speaker 1: when he realized he couldn't get it, that's when he
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  Speaker 1: tries to slit my throat and I'm fighting him, trying
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  Speaker 1: to drive, and my kids are screaming in the back seat.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep the knife away from any part
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  Speaker 1: of my body. And I see a telephone pole on
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  Speaker 1: the right hand side of the road, and my first
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  Speaker 1: thought is, he's not wearing a seatbelt. If I hit
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  Speaker 1: that pole, if I go fast enough, he'll go through
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  Speaker 1: the windsfield. If if I don't go fast enough, he'll
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  Speaker 1: at least hit his head hard enough to where he
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  Speaker 1: maybe dazed and I can fight him off and finished
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  Speaker 1: talking to our calling do something. It's amazing to me
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  Speaker 1: you're having this thought process as a guy is in
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  Speaker 1: the car. Luckily you're in the boys are all buckled in,
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  Speaker 1: so your mind immediately goes to if I crash into
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  Speaker 1: this phone pole, he'll fly through the windshow I mean
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  Speaker 1: to you. Jim Elliott, lawyer with Butlers Snow at butlersnow
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  Speaker 1: dot com. Jim, you have seen so many vehicular homicides
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  Speaker 1: and we hear quote the car got out of control,
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  Speaker 1: the motorcycle got out of control. I don't think most
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  Speaker 1: people have the wherewithal to come up with a plan
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  Speaker 1: when they've got their children in the car screaming. A
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  Speaker 1: guy rears up in the back and the rear window
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  Speaker 1: with a knife. Now he's up front with a knife
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  Speaker 1: with you and here she is coming up with a plan.
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  Speaker 1: Most people that have vehiculer mishaps, they lose control. They
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  Speaker 1: can't think of a plan exactly. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 1: the exactly the opposite of losing all. She exactly had
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  Speaker 1: control of the vehicle, knew, I mean, how smart to
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  Speaker 1: have that thought in an instant to do an accident
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  Speaker 1: that hopefully would would would hurt him. And you also,
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  Speaker 1: hear Jim Elliott, you never hear of people dying in
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  Speaker 1: a crash when the car's not moving. Here she is
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  Speaker 1: moving down the street and this guy is up front
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  Speaker 1: with a knife. Typically, and your practice, h the faster
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  Speaker 1: you go, the more likely it is you're gonna die.
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  Speaker 1: They'll try try. Truly, her mother instincts kicked in, didn't
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  Speaker 1: He didn't. Hey, I'm just surprised you could think that. Clearly,
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Dorothy. I'm driving with one hand, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: constantly switching hands depending on where the knife was. I
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  Speaker 1: was constantly switching hands, keeping my hand one hand on
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  Speaker 1: the steering wheel and the other hand fighting. Really it
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  Speaker 1: was my right hand because I'm I'm right handed, so
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  Speaker 1: I was mainly using my right hand to fight him off,
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  Speaker 1: and I managed to push him, and so he went
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  Speaker 1: for your throat. He went for your throat with a knife.
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  Speaker 1: He went for my throat first and then tried my
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  Speaker 1: side and then my legs. He was trying to do
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  Speaker 1: some damage. He was not just messing around. So so
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  Speaker 1: how he slashed you all the way across your chest
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  Speaker 1: At the time, when you were slashed with a knife
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  Speaker 1: across your chest, over your heart, did you even feel
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  Speaker 1: the pain or were you in shot? What happened? I
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  Speaker 1: didn't feel anything, but I thought bigger and better than
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  Speaker 1: you have tried to end me. And it's not going
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  Speaker 1: down like this, you know it just Scott Morgan, She
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  Speaker 1: seemingly didn't feel when this guy slashed her with a
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  Speaker 1: knife from shoulder all the way across her heart and breast.
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  Speaker 1: She said she didn't feel it. Yeah, adrenaline's kicking in
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  Speaker 1: at this point. I mean, there's all kinds of things
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  Speaker 1: that you're not gonna feel because you've become desensitized to it,
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  Speaker 1: because you are laser focused on the fact. Listen, you're
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about a mama bear with her cubs in
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  Speaker 1: the back seat. Nancy, there's nothing that's going to be
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  Speaker 1: getting between her and those babies. Trying to protect them,
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  Speaker 1: and so she's gonna take these desperate measures try to
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  Speaker 1: get this guy offer. Can you imagine somebody coming at
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  Speaker 1: you with an edged weapon to try to slice you
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  Speaker 1: to pieces? And you know what's going to happen to
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  Speaker 1: your kids if you don't defend them. Dorothy, Is it
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  Speaker 1: true he beat you? Well? He when he bit in
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  Speaker 1: my hand, he was He was trying to get me
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  Speaker 1: to let go of his knife, because I had his
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  Speaker 1: knife by then, and I've got the scars on my
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  Speaker 1: hand to prove way you manage to disarm? He Smeil Martinez.
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  Speaker 1: You got the knife away from me, a knife away
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  Speaker 1: from him, and that's why you bit my hand. Did
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  Speaker 1: you punch him in the face? I did? I did
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  Speaker 1: you punch him in the face? I? Where did it land?
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  Speaker 1: I hope in the nose, because that really hurts. I
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  Speaker 1: had the knife in my right hand and he bit
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  Speaker 1: my hand, and when he realized that I wasn't going
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  Speaker 1: to let go, he just kind of looked at me,
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  Speaker 1: and I switched the knife with from my right hand
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  Speaker 1: to my left hand, and I just pulled off and
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  Speaker 1: and punched him square in the jaw, and he looked
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  Speaker 1: at me. Shocked. Well, what were the boys doing during
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  Speaker 1: all this? At some point my my youngest at the time,
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  Speaker 1: he was he had stopped crying. Um. And my five
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  Speaker 1: year old he actually hid. He really didn't, he didn't
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  Speaker 1: do much anything. He was in shock. I mean when
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  Speaker 1: when the guy grabbed him, I could see like all
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  Speaker 1: the life go out of my son's face. Uh. So
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  Speaker 1: that was that was not a good Uh, it's not
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  Speaker 1: a good feeling. So um. But my kids they were
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  Speaker 1: they were safe and they didn't get hurt. There was
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  Speaker 1: no no cuts on them, no, no, nothing. Well, let
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  Speaker 1: me ask you this one goes into basically shot mode.
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  Speaker 1: Which one was in shocking, which one was screaming his
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  Speaker 1: head off? My two year old he was the one
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  Speaker 1: in the car seat screaming. And my older boys at
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  Speaker 1: five year old, he was when I went into the
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  Speaker 1: shop Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, guys, we are talking
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  Speaker 1: about fighting back if you have an attack while you're
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  Speaker 1: going to or in your car. And with me Dorothy
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  Speaker 1: Baker who managed to survive a knife attack in her
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  Speaker 1: mini van with her little boys in the car. Dorothy,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember the mama you hit the gas and
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  Speaker 1: mowed him down? Yeah? I do. I was watching him
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  Speaker 1: run away, and what went through my head was he
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  Speaker 1: was he was at Kroger's. He was close enough to
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  Speaker 1: walk there. He didn't have a vehicle, he had a
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  Speaker 1: knife this time. What happens if I see him next
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  Speaker 1: time and he has a gun and I have all
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  Speaker 1: my kids, or what happens if there's a mother who
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  Speaker 1: doesn't it isn't going to be able to to help
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  Speaker 1: her kids, and she panics and she's got a baby,
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  Speaker 1: and he goes after her. And I thought to myself,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be darned if I'm gonna let that happen and
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  Speaker 1: watch him walk away. And my intention was as he
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  Speaker 1: was running away, was I went after him, and I
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  Speaker 1: had my door to where I was going to open
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  Speaker 1: it and hit him with it. And when we were,
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  Speaker 1: when I was driving behind him, he made a swerve
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  Speaker 1: and I had sped up just right then at I guess,
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  Speaker 1: the perfect time, and I heard him hit my tires
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  Speaker 1: And the only thing I thought after that was, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, I'm going to jail because I just killed
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  Speaker 1: this man. What's going to happen to my kids? Well
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  Speaker 1: luckily she didn't kill him and she didn't go to jail.
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  Speaker 1: This guy has a rap sheet as long as I
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  Speaker 1: seventy five. I'm so glad, Dorothy Baker that, let's just say,
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  Speaker 1: your foot slipped and you mowed him down before he
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  Speaker 1: could knife attack another young mother. So, Dorothy, I know
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  Speaker 1: you're not surprised to discover your front and center in
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  Speaker 1: the new book, Don't be a victim fighting back against
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  Speaker 1: America's crime way. When it comes to safety in cars,
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  Speaker 1: you're actually one of the very few crime victims that
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  Speaker 1: have lived to tell the tale. So how did your
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  Speaker 1: experience change you? It is it always did. I didn't
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: drive my van and I actually got rid of it.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I still to this day will not let my kids
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: in the car until I've looked in the car. I'm
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: always very observance of most surroundings and the people around me.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I watch if they're following the earth, they're going in
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the same direction. If I feel like someone's following me,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I'll make detours to see things like that. I mean,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: it's it's made me very very interesting of people, Dorothy Lent.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: That's not true for countless others. Take a listen to
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: our friends at Fox seven News Austin. Brittany Parker's mother
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: and father have not spoken with her since last Monday.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Her phone is off and now without a car, her
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: family is becoming increasingly worried for her safety. It's hard
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: every day. It's when I wake up. It's hard to
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: avoid depression. I have to keep my mind centered on God,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: or you know, it would just be hard to cope.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: David Parker's daughter, Brittany, has been missing since Tuesday, July twelfth.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: On the fourteenth, Has County Sheriff's deputy is called to
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: say they've found the twenty six year olds vehicle with
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the key still in it in a field and Kyle,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping Brittany just decided to go someplace and it's okay.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: But wouldn't she her cars abandoned and she didn't answer
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: her phone. It does lead to extreme concern. This beautiful
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: young Texas girl goes missing in her Toyota camera. Take
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at Fox seven. We do
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: have an update on a missing person's case out of
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Hayes County. Officials say they found and identified the body
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: of Brittany Parker on Friday. She was reported missing since
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: July twelfth. Parker's body was found in the same cornfield
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: where Her Toyota camera was found abandoned last month. Officials
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: were able to pinpoint her location through phone records and
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: GPS coordinates. Parker's cause of death is still under investigation.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Straight Out to Ray Caputo, lead news anchor WDBO Orlando,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: what happened? What are the facts around Britney Parker's disappearance
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: in her Toyota camera? Well, Nancy, you know, Britney was
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: having a little trouble according to her family, should you
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: had some depression and she was she was out and
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: it was really simple that she was very out of
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: character for that. She was supposed to be coming back
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: home and nobody heard from her. It was was Tuesday,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: July at twelfth of twenty sixteen, and this was in
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the Southoston area as well. This young girl goes missing
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: in her Toyota camera. Her parents try everything to locate her,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: holding out hope that she is still alive. She has
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: found dead in her car. Her body found in a
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: field off Old Mineral Springs Road and Walker County. But why?
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: What could have saved her life? Straight Out to a
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: special guest joining us is names Tom PETERR. He's known
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: as America's leading personal safety expert. And author of Tom
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Peterry's Personal Protection Handbook. What are things that all of
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: us can do to protect ourselves in our vehicles? Okay,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: so let's look at the society as a whole. Less
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: than seven percent will ever take a martial art, self
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: defense or safety course. So the people that are victimizing
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: us know that, you know, nine out of ten people
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: are going to be an easy mark. That being said,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: being proactive, all these phones could be tracked, So they
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: should have a phone locate on all the time, a
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: check and balance. Hey mom, Hey Dad, here's where I'm
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: going to go. You know, when I get there, up
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: call you. If not, they go track the phone. If
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: they're in the vehicle, okay, I don't care. If the
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: person has a weapon brandished and pointing at him, it's
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: a protective veil. Hit the gas and take off. You'll
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: see that statistical fact is the bad guy doesn't fire weapons,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: buying lead, he doesn't try to break through windows. He's
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: using intimidation to get into the vehicle to go to
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: an isolation zone. So if we're more proactive, if we
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: feel in tune to our senses and take a little
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: time to have safety sense instead of common sense will
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: be much better. No, and it always seems to start
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Steve Lampley, detective and author of twelve and Murdered, As
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: in the case of Brittany, it seems to start so innocently,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: someone was going to the grocery store, or with Dorothy,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: she had been to Kroger, and she saw this guy
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: at Kroger. And what she didn't know as he followed
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: her across the street with her little boys to CBS.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: So the fact that you're not alone, she had children
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: with her, but he still targeted her so seemingly innocent,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: simple things. Aaron's going to the mall, going to the
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: grocery store and going to the pharmacy. That's where you're targeted.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: It is, Nancy, and I have told so many people
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: over the years, even when I was a police officer,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: detective and even now having retired for these many years.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: The real estate profession has a phrase. It says, location, location, Location, Well,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: when you're out and about with or without your family,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: alone or with someone else, it's about your surroundings. Your surroundings,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: your surroundings. Always look around you for anything, like he
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: was saying a while ago, look for things, look for
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: somebody watching you. Look for somebody following you, look for
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: somebody staring at you, look for the person sitting next
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: to you in the car when you pull in. You
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: have to observe. You really really have to pay attention.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: And isn't it true? Jim Elliott, lawyer with Butler Snow
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: at Butler snow dot com. Jim Elliot. Very often I'll
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: put up at a red light and I'll look around.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I think, you know what, There's a huge jail population
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: out on pardon, parole, probation, bond. I mean millions and
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: millions of them. Is that guy one of them? When
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I'm at the grocery store and I go, hi, was
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: that guy out on bail for a violent crime? You
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: never know who's around you, Joe Scott, You never know, Nancy,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: because this is the thing. You're not watching them. They
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: are watching you, particularly those individuals that are meant to
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: do harm to those that are completely defenseless. You have
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to work, You have to live in this world as
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: if there are predators around every corner because Nancy reality
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: is is that there are crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Guys we're talking about, don't be a victim fighting back
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: against America's Crime Wave, a new book that took over
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: two years to write. For you to take back the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: power and fight back against criminals, don't be a statistic.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Jenna Zipton WSLS tells us the story of Heather she Can.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: An investigation underway after a woman was found dead in
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: a vehicle in Spotsylvania County deputy has discovered twenty one
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: year old Heather Scone's body in the passenger seat of
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: her car Monday. The car was parked at the end
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: of a driveway about thirty minutes from her home. Police
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: say she had been shot at Her death is suspicious.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Police don't know of any connection between the woman and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: the home where she was found. Her parents say she
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: lived with them and told them she was going to
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: help a friend whose car broke down. Now the family
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: is pleading for answers. Please, if anybody has any information,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: can bring whoever did this to justice, please do so.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Family members believe she was killed by another woman. They
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: say she had been recently getting death threats, so lured
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: out in her car on the side of the road,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: try to repair a flat. When everything goes wrong. Heather dead.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: How did it happen? And what can we do to
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: stop crimes like that? Back to Tom Petteri, America's leading
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: expert personal safety author of Tom Petteri's Personal Protection Handbook,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: and it's awesome pulling over to fix a flat. Oh man,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: it hurts me to even say it, Tom. I know
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: one of the newest ploys out there is that that
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: flat was set up. In most cases it was done
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: with a little puncture of a sole leak, somebody following you,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: waiting for, you know, an isolation zone, and then take
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: advantage of you know. The old adage was stay in
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: your car, called the police and wait. The new adages
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: ride that car on the rim as you're calling the police,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: don't stop the vehicle and they will be within prompt time.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: All right. The police are there to help, but they
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: can't help if they don't know. So don't pull over
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: in isolation zones. No matter what. The vehicle can be replaced,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: but you cannot. I go through pages and pages of
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: tips that I've gotten from experts from real life cases
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: to help you not be a victim when it comes
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: to being in your car. Don't be a victim. Here
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: are a few, of course, make sure your doors are locked,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: how often do you drive around with them unlocked? Don't
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: do it at red lights. When you park, you're sitting target.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Some repairs have to wait. I get it, But not
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: when it comes to your doors being locked. You heard
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Dorothy say she thought she locked her car, but her
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: key fob wasn't working. The car never locked. When you
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: find yourself stopped at traffic, being at a red light
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: or stop sign, waiting for the person in front of
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: you to move, always leave plenty of space between yourself
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: and them so you're never blocked in to tom to erie.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Why is that so important, Well, one of the things
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: that people do is called the box and two. A
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: boxing two is basically to get you in a situation
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: where you can't move the vehicle. When you can't move
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the vehicle, you are at their bay. So if you
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: give yourself that little extra out, you always stay out
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: of fast lanes when you're coming to a light. If
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: you are at a light and somebody approaches you, look
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: left and right go through the light. You could always
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: explain to the police officer, listen, you are fear of
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: your life and this is why you did what you do.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: We have to start listening to ourselves our situational awareness
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: is inside of us. That's the tingling all the experts
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: talked about before. Be your own bodyguard by being proactive,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: be super cautious at crowded intersections. How often has squeegee
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: guys come up? Street vendors, people asking for money, panhandles,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: newspaper water salesman. I learned the hard ways the prosecutor
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: that very often youths are tricked by adults into working scams.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: You let your window down to buy a bottle of
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: water or a candy bar from a kid who looks
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: like they're trying to earn money, and the next thing
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: you know, somebody comes in from the other side and
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: gets in your car. And that's why your car has
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: got to be a lot and the windows up when
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: you come to intersect intersections. Agree or disagree? Steve Lampley agree,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Nancy agree. Even as a retired police officer, I do
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: that I leave space enough room between me and the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: vehicle in front of me. If I need to get out,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I can. I sit still, and some people call me paranoid.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I just call it being observant and being safe. I
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: still sit with my back in the corner in a restaurant.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: These are things too second nature, it is, and I
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: know everybody can't sit in the corner in a restaurant
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: is over then, But you have to do the things
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: that you have to do to keep yourself, your friends
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and family safe. Like locking your door. For me now
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: a second nature. I immediately punch the buttonutil locking my doors,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: avoid distractions, keep the volume low on podcast news or music.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: And in the same vein, do you really need to
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: update your Instagram or text while you're a driving or
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: while you're at a red light or after you park
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: your car? Can't you do it when you get home?
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: For Pete's sake? So show some self control. Joe Scott Morgan,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: you're the death investigator. How many times have you heard
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: of death fatalities because people are on their phone when
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: they're driving, much less at red lights and when they
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: first part their car or sit back down in their
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: car in the parking lot. Yeah, you know, I gotta
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: tell you, Nancy. It used to be where I was
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: terrified of drunk drivers, and I still am, but now
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I see you know, I'm a college professor. I see
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: kids walking around campus all the time with their nose
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: buried in a phone. I see people riding around campus
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: with their nose buried in the phone. There's so many
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: distractions in this world, and it is absolutely terrifying because,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: like I have said, predators are looking for that way in,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: They're looking for that leverage. They're looking for that place
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: where they can attack you and get what they want,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: either property, maybe your wallet, maybe your car. Maybe they
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: want your car or at you know, in these horrible
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: situations your life, they want to do harm to you
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and your family. And the reality is to get the
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: things you're mentioning, they will kill you to get them.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: And to Jim Elliott, attorney with Butler Snow at Butler
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: snow dot com. Jim, isn't it a traffic violation or
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: a crime now? For you to be texting and driving?
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Is every stage of adopted laws of that sort, Yet
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: you see people all the time doing it. It's amazing. Predators, criminals,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: they can't wait for you to ease up at a
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: red light or stop sign and get on that phone.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: You'll never hear them walking up to your driver's side door.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: The next thing you know, the first thing you'll know,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: that door is open and they're in your car. So
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: where are you supposed to go. Why do you think
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: they're in your car? They want something like Joe Scott said,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: you're a pocketbook, your money, your laptop or you. So
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: many of these ladies are raped, sodomized and murdered, taken
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: out of their car. How are these people getting in?
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: That predator is just walking around that parking lot at
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: the CBS waiting for you to come part and then
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: look down on your phone. They can't wait. I mean,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: you know, Karen start, I keep talking about them like
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: their wolves, but they very much are like let's just
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: say the hyena at the watering hole in the Seengetti.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Here we are the gazelle coming up to drink, and
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: we're not looking up, We're looking down, and that's just
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: what they want. Why after all this time, do we
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: still seem to go to our safe spot in our
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: head and not realize what's going on around us. Well,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: there's so many distractions, especially today answer as you said,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: we've got iPhones. We could look at social media and
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: there's this false sense of security. It's just we're not
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: living anymore in where the Serengetti world. We're supposed to
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: be very conscious of the fact that we're prey, but
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: we are prey. And the more that you're in a
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: vulnerable situation, the more you're going to attract somebody who's
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: just looking to attack you. Don't give rides to stranger.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Think Ted Bundy, charge your phone, keeper charger in your car,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: use GPS, Be careful when you ask strangers for directions.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: What do you do if you have a flat or
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: a car trouble? What do you do if somebody bumps
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: into you on purpose at a red light. I'm not
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: trying to scare you, none of us on the panel today,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: or trying to scare you or actually trying to save
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: your life. Don't be a victim. Fight back. Nancy Grace
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off, Goodbye friend,