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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _639(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Just wanted to let you know our episodes are now
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  Speaker 1: available in video on Spotify as well. Today's guest is
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  Speaker 1: the Secretary for Health and Human Services for the U.S. government.
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  Speaker 1: He's an attorney, he's an environmentalist, and he's my friend.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so thankful that he is joining us. Today's guest
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  Speaker 1: is Mr. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Shut up! Good to
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  Speaker 1: see you, bro.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, good to see you too. Secretary. Secretary now. You
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  Speaker 2: can still call me Bobby.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, cool.
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  Speaker 2: I know each other from, can I say where we
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  Speaker 2: know each other? Yeah, sure. We've been in recovery for years.
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  Speaker 2: Together for years.
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  Speaker 1: You for almost over 40 years, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, 40, 43 years.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. That's wild.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where we met each other at 7 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: meetings above the bank over there.
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  Speaker 2: That was a good meeting. They shut those down during COVID.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: That was heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 2: We still did live meetings every day during COVID. We
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  Speaker 2: moved from the bank. There was about 15 of us
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  Speaker 2: who moved from the bank, and we got into the
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  Speaker 2: Palisades Playhouse, which now is burned down during the fire.
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  Speaker 2: But it was kind of a pirate group. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: for me, I said this when we came in, and
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  Speaker 2: I said, I don't care what happens. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: a meeting every day. Yeah. And I said, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: scared of a germ. I used to snort cocaine off
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  Speaker 2: of toilet seats. And I know this disease will kill me.
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  Speaker 2: If I don't treat it, which means for me going
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  Speaker 2: to meetings every day, it's just bad for my life.
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  Speaker 2: So for me, it was survival. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the opportunity to help another person. That's the secret sauce
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  Speaker 2: of the meetings and that's what keeps us all sober
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  Speaker 2: and keeps us, you know, from self-will.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, yeah, you get reminded. I mean, I go
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  Speaker 1: to meetings and I get reminded that other people, like
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  Speaker 1: I hate to say exist, but like just that other
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  Speaker 1: people are just that I'm not alone, I think, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I get like, I see face. I'm like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I care about this person. They care about me. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: for some reason in my addiction, it's like there's a
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  Speaker 1: part of me that forgets that people care about me
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  Speaker 1: and that I care about them. And so, but when
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  Speaker 1: I go to meetings, it's like an immediate, it immediately
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  Speaker 1: fills that whole backlog in, you know? But I have
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  Speaker 1: to go and kind of recharge that battery a lot. You,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to Tennessee.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw you were with Kid Rock. Yeah. pretty
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  Speaker 1: cool dude that freaking he used to say he used
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  Speaker 1: to have cocaine and oysters i'm like that's a meal
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  Speaker 1: that's a meal dude that's an aphrodisiac i think.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saving a seat for him still oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah he's one of a kind man his brother
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  Speaker 1: only has one leg too you know.
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  Speaker 2: That i met his brother bill i think he.
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  Speaker 1: Got the vaccine but that's just me but anyway he
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  Speaker 1: had two a few years ago that's all i'm.
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  Speaker 2: Saying but he lost his leg when he was a
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  Speaker 2: kid at around the same time my cousin's daddy would
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  Speaker 2: And both of them became ski racers. So they were
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  Speaker 2: the top. I think my cousin Teddy was the number
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  Speaker 2: two slalom skier on one leg. And he was also
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  Speaker 2: very proficient. So they became friends. So that was interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So he knows your cousin?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he grew up with him.
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  Speaker 1: And they were in like a special division or no,
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  Speaker 1: just normal division?
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  Speaker 2: What are they called? Paralympics? I didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: Billy was a Paralympian. I know he's a great golfer.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they're just so, they're a hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: How does he golf? Cause he doesn't, his, his leg
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  Speaker 2: is cut off so high. He can't really use a prosthetic.
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  Speaker 1: He, I mean, I don't know. They had it. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I know of a lawnmower. Somebody hit him with a lumber.
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  Speaker 1: Look at that right there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. His father ran him over with a tractor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, and just put them in time out. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's phenomenal. And he has the best sense of humor,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I'm just joking. I know both those guys
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  Speaker 1: super well. And they've been great, like, neighbors in Nashville.
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  Speaker 1: And Kid Rock, Bobby, he's done a lot of nice
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  Speaker 1: stuff for me over the years and stuff like that
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  Speaker 1: and includes me in things. And we were just texting
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  Speaker 1: the other day. He's got a big heart, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he spoke very highly of you.
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  Speaker 1: He's a nice guy. I saw you were with Bill Lee, too,
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  Speaker 1: our governor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I met him at the— he did a fireside chat
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  Speaker 2: with me about a year ago at the governor's conference,
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  Speaker 2: and I really— we really bonded. He's a good guy, and
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  Speaker 2: he works with both sides on the legislature. He's got
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  Speaker 2: a great relationship, and he's done a bunch of good
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  Speaker 2: stuff in this state. He's gotten— you know, he's on top
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  Speaker 2: of fluoride. They got really good— Snap waiver. So I
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  Speaker 2: think they've got probably one of the best snap waivers.
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  Speaker 2: The snap waiver is the food stamp waiver. So you
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  Speaker 2: can't spend food stamp dollars on sodas or candy. But
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  Speaker 2: they also have sugar content and they have corn syrup content.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, here in Tennessee?
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  Speaker 2: I think they're the only state that has that now.
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  Speaker 2: And they've also banned food dyes. I banned a couple
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  Speaker 2: of them and they're going to ban the rest of
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  Speaker 2: them now.
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  Speaker 1: And what did we find out with food dyes?
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  Speaker 2: The food dyes, we've now, you know, we've told the
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  Speaker 2: companies they've got to get rid of all of them.
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  Speaker 2: There's nine of them. And the worst four we already banned.
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  Speaker 2: The other five, I think by the end of this year,
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  Speaker 2: everybody should have stopped using them. And then we rapid
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  Speaker 2: approved four new vegetable dyes so that they can replace
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  Speaker 2: them with, you know, something healthy. So we did that
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  Speaker 2: through FDA. We're working with the industry to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that they can do it, but they've been very, very cooperative.
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  Speaker 2: Most of them, about 40% of the industry came to us,
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  Speaker 2: including the entire ice cream industry, came to us and said,
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  Speaker 2: we want to do this, but help us. So we're
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  Speaker 2: working very closely with them, and they're all getting rid
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  Speaker 2: of it. I mean, we should have gotten rid of
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  Speaker 2: it a long time ago. The Europeans don't allow it.
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  Speaker 2: Canada doesn't allow it. Other countries, you can buy Froot
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  Speaker 2: Loops in this country that are just loaded with chemicals
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  Speaker 2: and you can buy, same company makes Froot Loops for
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  Speaker 2: Canada and Mexico that don't have the chemicals. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there's a kid on TikTok and he was
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  Speaker 1: eating Froot Loops and then his poop was glowing in
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  Speaker 1: the dark. You see that? I'm like, dang, that thing
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  Speaker 1: will swim upstream. That's crazy. I mean, but yeah, some
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  Speaker 1: of it definitely seems bonkers. And what did you say
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  Speaker 1: about fluoride?
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  Speaker 2: Tennessee has a law that has to– the water district
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  Speaker 2: has to inform the public about it. Fluoride is crazy
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  Speaker 2: because we know it reduces IQ. There's no question. The
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  Speaker 2: National Toxicology Program has done a meta-analysis and they can–
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  Speaker 2: it's dose-related. So every milligram of fluoride that you add
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  Speaker 2: reduces your IQ more. And it doesn't work systemically. It
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  Speaker 2: was put in in the 40s. Because it does help
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  Speaker 2: with tooth decay, but the effect is all topical. Back then,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't have fluoride toothpaste. They didn't have fluoride mouthwash.
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  Speaker 2: Now we do. The parents can get the fluoride for
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  Speaker 2: their kids. When you put it in systematically, it destroys
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  Speaker 2: your bone mass. It destroys your thyroid. So it's horrible
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  Speaker 2: for us. It's horrible, and it destroys IQ. If you
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  Speaker 2: have kids, are there cavities.
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  Speaker 1: Or– Yeah, I'd rather have them have cavities. I'd rather
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  Speaker 1: have holes in their teeth than holes in their ideas
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  Speaker 1: or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Right. But the European nation is abandoned and there has
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  Speaker 2: been no increase in cavities. So it doesn't make any
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  Speaker 2: sense for us to be putting it in.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, this is the bill known as the Tennessee
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  Speaker 1: Fluoride Free Water Act prohibits public water systems in Tennessee
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  Speaker 1: from adding fluoride or any fluoride containing compounds to drinking
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  Speaker 1: water intended for human consumption and bans the sale of
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  Speaker 1: bottled water with added fluoride. So we don't have fluoride
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  Speaker 1: in our water here?
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  Speaker 2: Well, there is natural fluoride in a lot of water.
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  Speaker 2: It just comes from the geology.
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  Speaker 1: But we're not adding more.
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  Speaker 2: Right. We're not adding it.
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  Speaker 1: Nice, dude. Yeah, because what if you're trying to think
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  Speaker 1: of something and you have two sips of water and
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  Speaker 1: then you're like, God, I can't even. I'm screwed. I'm screwed.
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  Speaker 1: Your parents send you to take a test, and they
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  Speaker 1: give you a bottle of water, and you're like, God,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have a chance now. But thank you. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for leading the charge on a lot of these things.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for caring about a lot of these things.
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  Speaker 1: I think I just want to say that. I know
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  Speaker 1: that you do care about so many of these things.
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  Speaker 1: I did see there's a Tennessee Farm Bill, and there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff you want to talk about, too,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll get into some of it for sure. But
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  Speaker 1: this is what I was talking about earlier. This bill,
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  Speaker 1: it's the Farm Bill 809. The bill is sponsored by
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  Speaker 1: Representative Rusty Grills. would limit lawsuits if a user gets
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  Speaker 1: sick from a pesticide. Under the proposed legislation, as long
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  Speaker 1: as a product's label was approved by the Environmental Protection Agency,
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  Speaker 1: a person wouldn't be allowed to sue over the labeling.
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  Speaker 1: So actually, Sean Ryan, the podcaster, and John Rich, the musician,
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  Speaker 1: they shared this online on the day that it was
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  Speaker 1: going up for vote, I believe. Yeah, right here. Tennessee
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  Speaker 1: state politicians side with foreign pesticide companies over people dying
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  Speaker 1: of cancer. Ryan posted on X alongside a video speaking
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  Speaker 1: out against the bill, as did musician John Rich. After
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  Speaker 1: the pushback, Representative Grills took the bill off notice, which
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  Speaker 1: at least delayed the vote. It's unclear why that decision
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  Speaker 1: was made or whether Grills has plans to bring the
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  Speaker 1: bill back to this legislative session. And bring up a,
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  Speaker 1: just so we know who's doing this, bring up a
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  Speaker 1: picture of Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Grills.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, there you go. Well, I mean, look, if you're
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  Speaker 1: a farmer- And you get sick from using a pesticide
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  Speaker 1: that you didn't know would make you sick, that you
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have recourse against a pesticide company that did know
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  Speaker 1: that they caused illness because these companies knew that these
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  Speaker 1: caused illnesses.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Evidence from lawsuits, internal documents and independent reports indicates
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  Speaker 1: that Monsanto had information suggesting potential risk to human health.
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  Speaker 1: from some of its pesticides, yet worked for years to
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  Speaker 1: downplay or obscure those risks in public and regulatory arenas.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's just wild.
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  Speaker 2: The reason they're doing this is because of my lawsuits
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  Speaker 2: against Monsanto.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I remember you had that huge settlement against them
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  Speaker 1: a long time ago, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was maybe 2019 we finally settled it,
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  Speaker 2: but I did three of the trials in San Francisco,
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  Speaker 2: and the first one we won I think 289 million for,
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  Speaker 2: you know, people who got not a Hodgkin's lymphoma from
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  Speaker 2: using Roundup. And then the second one, we won 89 million.
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  Speaker 2: The third one, we asked for a billion dollars from
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  Speaker 2: the jury. It was a couple that had both got
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  Speaker 2: it simultaneously. They were home gardeners. And their dog also
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  Speaker 2: got it at the same time. They had a Labrador
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  Speaker 2: retriever and the dog died. Both the couples were sick.
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  Speaker 2: We asked the jury for a billion dollars. And they
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  Speaker 2: gave us $ 2. 2 billion. And they did that because we
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  Speaker 2: were able to show them documents that showed Monsanto knew
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  Speaker 2: of the danger and then worked with corrupt officials, a
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  Speaker 2: guy called Jess Rowland, inside of EPA, who was the
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  Speaker 2: head of the pesticide division, and that they had deliberately
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  Speaker 2: concealed the science, fixed the science, And now the big
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  Speaker 2: study that they used to prove safety has now been retracted.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think I saw an article about that.
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  Speaker 1: Like they'd found emails that they were like, that it
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  Speaker 1: was kind of ghostwritten or something from the science.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was ghostwritten. And also the head of the
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  Speaker 2: pesticide division, they asked him, Monsanto asked him secretly, and
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  Speaker 2: now we have these emails, to kill a study by
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  Speaker 2: another agency called ATSDR. And- He said, I can't kill it.
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  Speaker 2: That's not my agency. I can kill them in EPA
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  Speaker 2: but not outside. And they said, you got to do it.
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  Speaker 2: We can't have this study go forward. And he said, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to do it. But if I succeed, you
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  Speaker 2: got to give me a gold medal. And we had
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  Speaker 2: all of that. And we were able to show it
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  Speaker 2: to the jury and they were angry. And that's why
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  Speaker 2: they gave us that huge judgment.
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  Speaker 1: A gold medal in what? Just anything?
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  Speaker 2: A gold medal for, you know, killing a study that
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  Speaker 2: showed that it caused cancer.
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  Speaker 1: That showed that it grew tumors. That's insane. That it's
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  Speaker 1: at a contest level now. That things like that are so, like,
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  Speaker 1: prolific that now it's like there's awards for it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it seems baffling. There's been a ton of lawsuits about this, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like about pesticides causing cancer. uh, diseases and sickness in people. Right. Um,
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  Speaker 1: or about this glyphosate, I think it's called. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Glyphosate.
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  Speaker 1: There's been a ton of lawsuits, but they still don't
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  Speaker 1: have to take this product off of the shelf. So
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  Speaker 1: that's the craziest thing to me. Is that right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, the, it's a problem because you have, um,
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  Speaker 2: all the row croppers are dependent on it right now.
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  Speaker 2: And there's other technology that is, uh, that is emerging
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  Speaker 2: right now that actually, you know, I looked at one yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: it's a tractor attachment that uses lasers to kill weeds.
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  Speaker 2: And that, you know, if they can make that affordable,
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  Speaker 2: particularly for smaller farmers, that will be the answer. Cause
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  Speaker 2: you'll be able to, they can, they can kill bugs
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  Speaker 2: and they can kill weeds. You program this thing and
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  Speaker 2: it zaps the weeds with a laser. It makes the,
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  Speaker 2: all the cells explode and it destroys them. And, um,
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  Speaker 2: So there is a future that we can now see
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  Speaker 2: the light at the end of the tunnel there. But
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  Speaker 2: right now, if you banned glyphosate outright, it would put
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  Speaker 2: out of business 80% of our farmers. Got it.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, so we're kind of dependent upon something that we
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  Speaker 1: know makes us sick.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we are. And we're doing a lot of work
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  Speaker 2: in the HHS to look for other alternatives and to
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  Speaker 2: find a— you know, front and off ramp because the
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  Speaker 2: farmers don't want to be using chemicals anyway. They're very expensive.
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  Speaker 2: They know, you know, they have some of the highest
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  Speaker 2: cancer rates of any profession and farmers care about their land.
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  Speaker 2: They want to leave it for their kids. It also
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  Speaker 2: destroys the microbiome in the soil and that causes erosion.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's not a, you know, it's not a
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  Speaker 2: good long-term solution. You know, the issue is how do
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  Speaker 2: you transition off of it without putting farmers out of business?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Here's that laser.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's unbelievable. Laser weeding robot kills 100,000 weeds per hour.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it also kills insects. You can program it
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  Speaker 2: to kill certain insects. That machine probably costs a million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: But if you could have a couple of those running
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  Speaker 1: at night through your farm, that'd be sick.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It would be, it's a lot better than
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  Speaker 2: using chemical pesticides. So this is going to be, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the future, but.
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  Speaker 1: But we're not there yet.
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  Speaker 2: We're not there yet.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: It's just wild that we get stuck in something that
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  Speaker 1: makes us sick and we don't have a, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know. It just feels like such
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  Speaker 1: a conundrum. It must be like that for you guys
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  Speaker 1: a lot where you're like, this is just kind of
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  Speaker 1: where we are, you know?
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  Speaker 2: The agricultural community has been very, very supportive of the
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  Speaker 2: Maha agenda and, they're helping us transition away from ultra-processed foods,
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  Speaker 2: which is really the biggest issue. That's what's causing all
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  Speaker 2: these chronic disease in kids. And farmers are going out
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  Speaker 2: of business. You know, farmers usually lose money seven out
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  Speaker 2: of ten years. Even when they're making money, they're making,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of them are just making for
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  Speaker 2: their work hours minimum wage. And we're having a hard
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  Speaker 2: time finding young people who will go into farming. So
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  Speaker 2: that is a crisis that You know, we need to
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  Speaker 2: keep into consideration. And, you know, you have people at
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  Speaker 2: USDA finally who are, you know, really intent on solving
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  Speaker 2: this problem, but nobody wants any farmers going out of business.
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  Speaker 1: Got it. Whenever you became secretary, did it feel like
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  Speaker 1: you like, that now you're like on the inside? Like,
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  Speaker 1: does it feel like you go behind this curtain and
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  Speaker 1: now you get to see this? Yeah. It does? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have to sign an NDA to have the job? No. No.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, we're doing the opposite of that. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to be, you know, this is the most transparent
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  Speaker 2: administration in history. I mean, there's no president who's ever
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  Speaker 2: done three or four press conferences a day like President
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  Speaker 2: Trump does, answering any question people fire at him. He's
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: a machine. I don't know how many press conferences President
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Biden did in his entire administration.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: He doesn't know.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: But it's a lot less than President Trump does in
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: a month.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, for sure.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, we are right now using AI
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: to revolutionize the freedom of information laws so that people
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: are going to be able to get freedom of information
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: requests immediately.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Like what do you mean a freedom of information request?
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So if somebody wants a document from the government now,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: it could take six months, two years. And we're going
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: to make it so that they can get it instantaneously
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: and that all of our documents are going to be
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: public except those that are shielded under the statute for
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: one reason or another. And the big issue that– the
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: big problem that we're dealing with is that there is–
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: that there are names and privacy issues and you have
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: to redact those. Legally, we have to do that, and
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: we have to make sure we don't make any mistakes.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: So the AI is– that's what we're working out now.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: When you got in office, there was– you guys did
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: like a big cut down of like a lot of
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: the divisions and stuff like that. What was– I think
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: you went from 20-something to 15 maybe?
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: We had 82,000 employees and 20,000 of them left.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: And they left. 20,000 left? Or did you guys make
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: like cuts? Because I just know that you guys made
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: like a bunch of cuts.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: There were a bunch of different cuts that were buyouts
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: so that people who were at the end of their
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: career could retire early. There were rifts where people who
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: were very new were let go. And it was about
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: reducing the workforce, but it was reducing the bureaucracy. We
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: weren't reducing, we weren't getting rid of people research or
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: anything like that. We didn't touch that, except if there
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: were certain categories of research like DEI research or there
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: were other categories that were just, it was not real
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: science and it was not science. You know, we're changing
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the trajectory so that the purpose of NIA, the focus
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: of NIH is going to be figuring out why we're
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: all so sick. you know, why is this chronic disease happening?
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: What are the exposures that are causing it? What are
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: the alternatives? How do we end it? And so we're
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: shifting the focus, but we're, the amount that we're spending
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: on research is the same that we spent, you know,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: in 2020, 2019.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Well, was there like a recalibrating there? Cause like I
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: had a friend, Heather, who was working at UCLA. She
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: was a researcher there. And she said that like a
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: lot of the, during like a doge period and stuff,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of their grants got cut and there was
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: like a, like a, kind of a, I don't know
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: if it's called a moratorium or like a pause.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: It was a pause. And every administration does that. You
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: need to do a review and make sure that they're, uh, that,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: that those research projects are not, you know, torturing beagles or,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: you know, or doing TI or, um.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: And how do you decide that? Is it, do you decide,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: or is it like.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: We go through every single grant. We had, you know,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: big teams going through those grants and, Then there's tremendous ways.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: We had 40 communications departments. We had 40 different divisions
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: studying addiction. And so we consolidated those. So there was,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: you know, you have 10 people doing the same job
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: and not talking to each other with computers that are
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: not interoperable.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's the government. Yeah.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And we're changing that now so that, you know,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: we consolidate it and we're making it more streamlined and efficient.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: But it's so that we can do the job better,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: so we can do better research. And then the research,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: you know, was never replicated, which means that that's part
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: of science, that if somebody does a paper that makes
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: a scientific hypothesis that You don't just accept that. You
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: get somebody to replicate it and see if they come
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: up with the same result. And that was not happening.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: There was virtually no money spent on replication. Because of that,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: there was huge incentives to cheat. Because scientists, if they
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: have a hypothesis, and they do, they get a grant,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: maybe hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of dollars to prove
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: that hypothesis. And then once they prove it, They get
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: it published, and that's how they advance their careers. Well,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: if they fail to prove it, if the science says
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: what you were thinking is not true, then they can't
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: get published. You should publish that too because that's science,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't get published. So their careers are endangered.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: It's hard for them to get the next grant. And
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: so a lot of them had this incentive to cheat.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: So they have to win if they get it, if
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: they prove it.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: If the hypothesis is a null hypothesis, they don't get it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Their whole future goes into the toilet, potentially. And so
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: because they knew that study was never going to be replicated,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: nobody was going to check on them. It was an
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: incentive for them to cheat.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: And that must have been a pipeline just for companies
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: then to just get like lopsided science or solo-sided science
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: that wasn't– Yeah.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I mean I'll give you an example. There was a
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: study done about 20 years ago on amyloid plaque and
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: that as the cause of Alzheimer's. And that study came
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: up and said, yeah, it's the cause of Alzheimer's. And
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: we spent billions of dollars doing six or 800 studies
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: that followed that. And they all were, as it turned out,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: they were all cheating. And, you know, the ones that were,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: many of them were cheating, but all of them were
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: kind of confirmatory. And all of their hypotheses about what's
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: caused Alzheimer's was ignored, put on their shelf. You couldn't
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: get money for it because they said, we already know
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: the answer. And then there were drugs developed, et cetera.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: And in the end, you know, we came in and
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: this scandal was brewing. The head of Stanford University Medical
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: School had to resign the dean.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Because they knew what was going on?
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Because he was involved in publishing some of these fraudulent studies.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: But they did it for 20 years because nobody ever
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: had to really replicate those original studies. And that happens
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: all the time and you go down these scientific dead ends. And, uh,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: and so now what Jay wants to do is suspend
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: 20% of our budget on replication. So every study gets
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: replicated and they know about a chara who is talking about,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: and he was one of the guys who was censored
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: during COVID. He was one of the top, um, statisticians
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: at Stanford and he, and a lot of other ones were,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: you know, were censored, were lost their jobs. Marty McCary,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: who you know also.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love his book.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: One of his books I read. He was also censored.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Oz was censored. And they're now running the agency. So
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: these are people who want to do real science and
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: not politicize it, to depoliticize the science. We had 10
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: people doing, you know, these pure administrative jobs. And now
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: we've cut that down to five. So all the cuts
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: that We did. We're meant to streamline the agency so
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: that there's more money for research.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Got it. Like after the pauses on the grants and
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: some of those things, are you?
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: The grants were renewed.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Most of the ones are the ones that you guys
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: thought were viable?
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, almost all of them.
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  Speaker 1: cheat if you know you're not going to get caught.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that's true in every system.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you seen a lot of that?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, the amyloid plaque is a really good example. Yeah,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: we see it everywhere. We see it everywhere. In medicine,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: it's everywhere. And the journals are utterly corrupt because they're
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: owned by the pharmaceutical companies. And so people read a
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: journal and they think, oh, this is science. But even
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Marsha Engel, the one that ran the New England Journal
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: of Medicine for 20 years, has said you can't believe
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: anything in the journals anymore. They're just propaganda vessels for
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: the pharmaceutical company. Richard Horton, who were in Lancet, who
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: still runs it, says the same thing. The journals have
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: been corrupted.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: And those are the people running them?
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Well, what happens, they make huge amounts of money.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: And they make money from advertising, which is paid for
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: by pharmaceutical companies. And through a scheme called preprints, where
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: the pharmaceutical company plans the story, they pay for the
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: journal about a drug that they're trying to promote. They
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: um they pay the journal to print the story and
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: then they get a pre-print so it's a very neat
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: looking you know copy of their article with the cover
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: sheet of the new england journal of medicine on it
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: and then They distribute that to their pharmaceutical reps who
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: are like former Playboy models who go out and talk
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: to the doctors and they give that to the doctors
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: and say this drug works. Do you want to have lunch? Yeah.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: And the doctors then start prescribing the drug and they think, oh, well,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: it's legitimate because it was in the New England Journal
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: of Medicine. But it is not. You can't believe what's
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: in those journals because it's all propaganda for pharma.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: So how do we get away from that? Like what
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: are you guys doing to combat this or to change this?
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Or can this change? Or is it just awareness and
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: then people have to take the responsibility?
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: No, I mean what we're doing is open source journals.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: We're going to have our own journals that people can
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: open source and publish, but you'll have the peer review
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: published with it. So before you publish, you give that
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: publication to a panel of experts who then read it
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: themselves and criticize it. And the peer review now is
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: secret and, um, and then there is no raw data published,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: so nobody can go in and replicate it. So to
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: the extent possible, sometimes you, you can't, you have to
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: buy the raw data and it's very expensive or inaccessible,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: so you can't publish it. Um, but you can publish
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: the peer review, which is what we're doing. And so
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: everybody will be able to say if they have 10
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: peer reviewers and they all say this article sucks. It's
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: got all these holes in it. Then the public will
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: be able to read that, and doctors will be able
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: to read it, and the regulators will be able to
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: read it. And so it's basically open source. It's, you know,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: it's crowdsourcing, essentially. And, you know, that's how you get
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: credibility in science. Science doesn't come from consensus. It comes
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: from debate. And, you know, that's why you remember when
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: they were telling us during COVID, oh, trust the experts.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: That's not a thing in science. Trusting the experts is
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: the opposite of science. It's not a function of science
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: or democracy. It's a feature of religion, and it's a
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: feature of totalitarianism. But in science, you always question the expert.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't. There's not an expert in science because
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: it's like an evolving thing, right?
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, when I did the Monsanto cases, I
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: was part of a big team. We had, and Cheryl
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: came to me, to my trial, you know, a couple
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: of days she sat through and watched us try the case.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: And Monsanto had experts from Stanford, Yale, and Harvard, three
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: big experts. And they testified. And Cheryl said to me
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: at the end of the second day, she said, why
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: are you guys even here? These guys are, you know,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: this science is very clear that Monsanto, that Roundup doesn't
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: cause cancer. And I said, just wait. And then our
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: experts went on. And they were from Harvard, Stanford, and Yale.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: And they said the opposite and were much more convincing.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: And the juries were convinced. And so there's experts on
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: both sides of every debate. And a lot of them
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: are paid to be experts. They're hired guns. They're mercenaries.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: And we call them biostitutes, the ones that work for industry. Biostitutes,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: that's great. But, you know, so there's experts have their
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: own bias. We all have biases. Everybody's got a bias.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: What you want to do when you're, you know, when
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: you're dealing with science, you want to expose those biases.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: You want to admit them and acknowledge them. And then
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: you want the science to be able to stand on
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: its own. And that's the only way really to depoliticize
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: it as best we can.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: What were some of the biggest cases of fraud? Like
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: when you got in there and got behind the curtain
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: and see like, you know, like, the NIH, the EPA,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: like just see what's going on back there. What were
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: some of the biggest cases of fraud that you kind
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: of found?
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, the biggest cases are what were, we got
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: between Medicaid and Medicare, there's about a hundred billion stolen
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: every year. And a lot of it is like what's
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: happening in Minnesota with the Somali community and what's happening now,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: even worse in California. But, you know, one of the
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: problems is that That's a systemic problem is that Medicaid
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: and Medicare now no longer– it used to be that
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: they paid for your medical treatment, your doctor's visit. But
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: now they pay for the person who takes you to
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: the doctor and they pay for home care and they
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: pay for a person to come in and pay your bills.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: So there's all kinds of opportunities for fraud. And a
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: doctor recently, Oz told me this, told Oz, he said
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: there was a doctor in California that he visited and
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: the doctor had a patient who was a heroin addict.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Heroin addict was coming to see him four times a
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: month for some kind of a treatment. And one day
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: the doctor looked out the door and saw his ex-wife
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: waiting for him in the car. And the doctor said, oh,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: are you back together with your ex-wife? And he said, no,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: I hate her guts. And he said, but she drives
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: me because she gets paid $ 600 every time she drives me.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Wow. And he said– I don't put you back together
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: with your ex.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: We make $ 3, 000 a month, you know, with her driving
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: me this and then I drive her to hers.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: And so there's all kinds of those opportunities for fraud. And,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: you know, we found a hotel– And it had literally
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: every room in it was the headquarters for a nursing group.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Where was that located?
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: It was in California. God. And, you know, so they're
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: all just PO boxes. They're not actually doing any nursing care. Nuh-uh.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: They're just collecting money. And as we now know, a
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: lot of the money that was, you know, was going
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: into the Somali community for autism care. There were these
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: phony autism care houses. Yeah. And a lot of it
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: was ending up with Al-Shabaab in Somalia. So hundreds of
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: millions of dollars, billions of dollars were being stolen, shipped
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: to Somalia to fund a terrorist group. But that's happening
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: every day. Now we have the ability to catch them.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: How? How were you able to adjust that sort of
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: thing now? Like what makes it different now?
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Well, because first of all, under the Biden administration, I
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: don't want to get super partisan.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: But the Biden administration turned a blind eye to all
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: the fraud. It was mainly going to blue states, and
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: it was an economic generator. There's money pouring into the
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: blue states, and they just said, we know a lot
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: of it's stolen and illegal, but we're going to let
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: it happen because it's coming to us. It's coming to
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: our state. And so what we've done now is with Medicare,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: we control Medicare. The states control a lot of Medicaid.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: So it's harder, a little harder for us to detect
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: fraud there. We've started out with Medicare. We're using AI,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: and we're using AI which can detect the fraud. You know,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: it can tell us whether this guy who we're paying
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: has been convicted of fraud before. And, you know, we
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be paying him again. And it will be telling
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: us every aspect of his business that we need to
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: know to understand whether it's fraudulent. So we're going to
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: save just this year tens of billions of dollars in
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: eliminating fraud in Medicaid. And they used to pay it
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: under the Biden administration. The system was called pay and chase.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: So if they sent in a fraudulent invoice, even if
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: we knew it was– the HHS knew it was fraudulent,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: they would pay it. And then they would put the
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: inspector general to go claw it back. And of course
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: it wasn't there, but they, so they never covered anything.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Now we're not going to pay them anymore. If they're fraudulent,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: they're going to get, they're not going to get a check.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: We're going to save tens of billions of dollars just
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: this year. And we're going to save hundreds of billions
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: of over, you know, annually from now on.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: And that's because the AI is keeping track of that.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I can spot the fraud.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: And, and, With Medicare, with Medicaid, which is, you know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: a joint state federal program, it's a little bit, we
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: don't control the rails and the states control them. And
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: so we need state cooperation and the red states are
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: cooperating with us, but the blue states still won't cooperate.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: So that's going to take some time. And then there's categories.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: are much easier for us to control, like medical devices.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: We can do that quickly on our own, but there's
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: other categories that are going to be much more difficult,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: but we will get it done within the next three years.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Whenever Doge happened, right? When Doge occurred, when Elon was in,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: or he was involved, or hypothetically involved, that's what it
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: seemed like, just like to the regular person.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: He was definitely involved.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: He was involved. Was that successful? Was that real? What
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: was the outcomes of that? Did that seem like a
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: were you guys working together with that? Like, what was
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: that all about? I.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: You know, I think even Elon has said that there
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: would have been better ways to do it. And that we,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: you know, going after the systemic, what we're doing now,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: this is the, you know, these large staffs. You can
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: cut a couple of thousand people and over the long run,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: it's just, you know, drops of water in the ocean.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's not going to save us huge amounts of
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: money over the long term. But what we're doing now
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: is going to.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: The things you were just talking about, you mean?
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: That's going to help a lot.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Is DOE still active? Is that program still active? What
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: were the outcomes of that?
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Well, the outcomes were that a lot of, you know,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I cut my workforce by 20%. But, you know, in truth,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: some of those were very good cuts. I think we
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: all agree, including Elon, that it would have been better
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: to do targeted cuts. Cut the people who are actually
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: causing the problem and then keep the people, a lot
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: of the new workers who, you know, who are only
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: there for a couple of months, you know, that it
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: might have been better to keep some of those people
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: and change the culture.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I see. So, yeah, instead of more of like a mowing,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: more of like a pruning kind of thing, you mean?
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Do you think America is sicker than ever these days?
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: It is sicker. We're the sickest country in the world.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: We have the highest chronic disease burden in the world.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: That's one of the reasons during COVID we had 19%
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: of the COVID deaths in our country. And we only
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: have 4.2% of the world's population. And so the question is,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: why did America do worse than any country in the
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: world in COVID? Was it mismanaging? Part of it was that.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: But the big part, and this is what CDC says,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: we're the sickest country in the world. The average American
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: who died from COVID had 3.8 chronic diseases. And that's
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: really what was killing them. It was very hard to
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: die from COVID if you were healthy. And, um, and so,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: you know, we need to get Americans healthy. We need
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: to end the chronic disease epidemic right now. We spend
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: two to three times on our healthcare per capita, what
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: they spend in Europe. And yet we have the worst
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: health outcomes in the world. We're 79.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Bring up a capital chart.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: If you can, we have the, you know, we've dropped
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: behind Europe by, uh, by six years in lifespan. 10
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: years in some cases. And yet our health outcomes are worse.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: We have the highest maternal immunity, highest maternal mortality. That
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: means women dying in childbirth in the developed world. We
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: have the highest infant mortality. How could that be with
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: the United States? And a lot of it is because
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: of chronic disease. And then, you know, our diabetes rate
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: When I was a kid, a typical pediatrician would see
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: one case of diabetes, juvenile diabetes, over a 40- or
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: 50-year career. Today, 38% of American teens is diabetic or pre-diabetic.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: It's unknown. Autism rates have gone from less than 1
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: in 10,000 in 1970 to 1 in 31 today. Oh, yeah.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: You can throw a rock and hit an autistic kid anywhere.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: And California is one in every 19 kids, one in
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: every 12.5 boys. And so the cost to our country,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: 77% of American kids can't qualify for military service.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: How many percent?
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: 77% cannot get into the military because of health reasons.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: What?
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: That is the truth. Yeah.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God, bro. That's insane. Yeah.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: That should get people's attention.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Bring that up. Is that true? Let me see if
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: that's true. Bobby probably just uploaded this stat on the
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: internet from his phone a second ago, but still, that's okay.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: That's how it works. 77% of American youth can't qualify
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: for military service. And why?
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Because they have chronic disease. They have asthma. They have diabetes.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: They have, you know, they're obese. I'm one of those.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: But when my uncle was president, I was a 10-year-old kid.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: We spend zero on chronic disease in this country, zero. Today,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: we spend $ 4. 3 trillion a year, and it's about 40
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: cents out of every tax dollar that is paid by you.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: The federal government is now going to treat chronic disease,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: and it's unsustainable, and it's getting worse every year.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Is it bad? Do you find that it falls more
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: on it's the responsibility of the individual, we're not taking
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: care of ourselves, or is it that we have a
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: health system that is allowing, I don't want to just
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: say foods and drugs, but allowing things into us that
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: is not maintaining our natural health?
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, individuals have a responsibility, but the obesity, when
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I was a kid, 5% of children were obese.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you had one kind of fat kid in your class. Yeah.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: And today it's, you know, 15 percent. It's going. Overweight
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: is 40 percent. Adults, it's even higher.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: We should just have a thick military then, I think.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: But people did not get– Americans did not get obese
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: because they're indolent or lazy or they don't want to
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: do exercise. They got that way because they're being mass poisoned.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: And they're being mass poisoned because the government lied to
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: them and it lied about the food.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Um, now 70% of the food that our kids eat
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: is ultra processed food and it's just poison. It's not food.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: It's just poison.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: And which agencies allowed that? I mean, the EPA puts
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: labels like the FDA. Yeah. So do you feel like
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: that's been one of the most compromised agencies?
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was owned by big pharma and big food
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: and we're, you know, Marty McCary has changed that now.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: So how do we know that that's changed? Like, how
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: do we, as like a.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Look at the food pyramid and the, you know, the
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: food pyramid. When I came into office, we were supposed
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: to publish in January of last year.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. The last food pyramid I saw had vapes
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: on it. So it was getting pretty bad.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: We're doing vapes now. You mean the food pyramid.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, the last one. Yeah. That's funny. I was like,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: this is getting bad.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: The food pyramid. So when I came in, the Biden
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: administration had prepared new dietary guidelines for And they were
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: 453 pages long. And they were completely driven by the
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: same mercantile impulses that put Froot Loops at the top
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: of the food pyramid. How do you put Froot Loops,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: which is not a food, at the top of the
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: food pyramid? It's just poison. But it was all driven
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: by the commercial interests of the companies that controlled FDA.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: So when we came in, we— We went, we got
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: the best nutritionists from the best universities in our country.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: We basically locked them in a room. We thought it
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: would take a month, but it took about 11 months.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: They fought over every single item on this in the
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: food pyramid.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: It took them 11 months to put this together?
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you have to go over science. You know,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: what is broccoli? How does it relate? How much protein
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: should you eat? How much saturated fat should you eat?
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: What's optimal? And so they had to go through tens
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: of thousands of scientific papers to make sure that every
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: recommendation that we made is based solidly on a foundation
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: of gold standard science.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: So for this, for them to create the food pyramid,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: it took 11 months.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we flipped it over. And we flipped
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: it over because the category of food that you should
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: eat most is It's a broad category. It includes vegetables.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: It includes proteins, you know, salmon and steak.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: And most of this is for children, right?
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Well, no, this is good for everybody. I mean, most diabetes.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I remember from like when I was a kid, you know,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: you would see it, you know?
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: But I guess that's the first point you learn about it.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: And that's why we're all so screwed up. But, you know,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: most diabetes can be cured through diet. And the doctors
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: don't know this because they don't take– most of them
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: aren't taking nutrition in medical school. And we're now requiring
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: or we're working with the medical, with the accreditors and
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: with the testing, the people who do the MCAT to
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: make sure there's tests on nutrition. We're working with all
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: the medical colleges to make sure that now doctors are
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: going to have 40 hours of nutrition in school. Eighty
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: percent of doctors say they do not feel competent to
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: give– nutrition advice so what are they learning they're learning
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: pharmacology right they're learning the pill you let everybody get
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: sick from eating the food and then tell them the
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: pill that will treat.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: That sickness yeah at that point you're just a drug.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Dealer and you can get rid of the diagnosis not
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: only that but now you know there's there's really clear
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: science that you can get rid of mental health diagnoses
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: that food can cure mental health problems there's a doctor
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: at Harvard, Dr. Pollan, who has cured schizophrenia with dietary changes,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: with keto diets. There's a paper that.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Is that true?
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Go ahead and look it up.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Cure schizophrenia with keto diets?
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I definitely notice it. When I'm fasting, I get...
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty smart. Yeah, you get smarter, right? Yeah. Preliminary
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: clinical findings, including case reports and small traits, suggest that
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: ketogenic therapy may improve positive and negative symptoms, cognitive performance outcomes,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: and individual schizophrenia spectrum disorders. I mean, I believe that
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: so much of this is true, just that so much
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: of it is how we are operating. It just feels
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: like we've been stuck in such a place where you
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: have a food industry that doesn't care if you're healthy,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and then you have a healthcare industry that doesn't care
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: if you get well.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Well, everybody's making money from us being sick. I'll say
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: one other thing about this. There are dozens and dozens
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: of studies, and you can look them up, of there
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: are case-controlled studies of juvenile detention facilities and prisons where
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: they change, for example, in one wing the diet to
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: real food, and they leave the other diet in there,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: and that the disciplinary fighting, the violence drops precipitously. The
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: use of restraints in one juvenile detention facility dropped by 75%.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Usually the violence drops by 40% or 50%. And You know, people,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: it caused depression, it caused anxiety, these foods. You know,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: if your kid has anxiety, look at what they're eating.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: And you can change that in many cases by changing
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: their diet and getting them to eat real food.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. How do you get the everyday person then? to
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: adjust their psychology or like their thought, like about taking
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: more of an interest in themselves, you know? Cause I
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: think it, you should just be, you trusted the commercials.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: You're like, this is great for, you know, it was like,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: and you believed that, you know? Yeah.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, the way to change human behavior is one,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: get information out there. That's real information. The other thing
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: that you have to do is you have to change
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: the economic incentives. And, um, right now we have perverse
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: incentives that, reimburse doctors that, you know, that insurers, pharmaceutical companies,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: the doctors, the hospitals are more making more money. If
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: you're sick, the rehab with drug rehabs, if you come back,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: if you come back, if you relapse, they make more money, right?
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: They shouldn't be paid that way. The insurance company should
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: pay them one lump sum and then follow that addict
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: for the next two years. And every time he comes back,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: you got to treat them for free. And that will
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: incentivize them.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: To do better treatment.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to do treatment that works. And the ones that
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: can't do that will fail. And the ones that can
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: do it, that get better and better at it will
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: do it. You change the economic incentives, you'll change human behavior.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: And then you have to get the information to the individual.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: And that's what we're doing. We're doing, we've met, we've
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: convened the 400 top tech companies before this administration. You
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: could not get your own health records. So you own
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: your health records, but you couldn't see them. You can't
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: get a hold of them. What do you mean?
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Why not?
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Because they would information block you. They would make sure
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: you couldn't get them. And now we've got them all
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: to agree they're going to stop the information blocking. Oh,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: your medical records will be on your cell phone. And
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: that is great for you because if you live in
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Nashville and you travel to Los Angeles and you get
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: hit by a car, You don't want to spend an
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: hour in the emergency room with a clipboard making out
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: one of those forms. You hand your cell phone to
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: the doctor. He puts it in, AI, and he knows
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: what your blood type is, what your allergy is there,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: what your contraindications, previous treatments, et cetera.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is ridiculous. You have to do that all
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: the time.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Right. So what President Trump said to me is he said,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: I want to make every American the CEO of their
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: own health. that they're in charge of it. And then
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: we're doing, you know, we've gotten, now we've changed the
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: prior authorization. We've got 80% of the insurance industry together
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: to eliminate all unnecessary prior authorization, which is going to
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: change the experience that every American has with the healthcare system.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Because when you go to a doctor, he says you
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: need a knee surgery. You may wait six months for
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: your insurance company to approve it. You can't do anything
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: about it. And now, by the end of this year,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: you will know at the point of care, that means
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: before you leave your doctor's office, you'll know whether your
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: insurance company will cover that. And that's going to dramatically
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: change it. We are also— But.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Does that make it any more likely that they're going
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: to cover it, or does it just make it that
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: you're going to know?
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: It makes it so that you'll know, and so the
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: doctor will know there before you leave.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: And the doctor can change the prescription or whatever you
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: need to do. You'll at least know and you won't be,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: you know, sitting at home.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: And that's actually going to happen?
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: That's happening, yeah. And then the other thing that we're
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: doing is we're doing price transparency so that every hospital
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: will have to publish its prices for every procedure.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: How are the patients? Are you familiar with them?
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And that's to make you the CEO of your
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: own health.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: They already are supposed to do that, right?
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: It was a law that Trump passed in his first term,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: but Biden never enforced it, so none of the hospitals
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: do it. We've now passed new regulations that is going
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: to punish them draconian way if they don't do it.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: So they're all going to be doing it by the
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: end of this year. Are they going to try to
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: find a way to skirt around that, though, I wonder?
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Like, are they?
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Well, it's so screwed up because if you go buy
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: an automobile and the guy tells you, yeah, but I'm
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: not going to tell you the price until after you
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: bought it.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: It's insane.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: You'd be, you know. And right now, if you're pregnant
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: in this country, you could go nine months on the
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: phone every day trying to figure out what the childbirth
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: is going to cost you in your local hospital and
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: not be able to do it. And we are bound
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: to go online with a system that will make all
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: procedures visible to every patient. So I actually looked at
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: the mock-up two days ago for New York. And it
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: shows a map of Manhattan and a mile around Manhattan.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: And there's 30 hospitals. And it shows the price of
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: childbirth at every hospital. The lowest one is $ 1, 300. The
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: highest is $ 22, 000. And it's everything in between $ 9, 000, $ 5, 000, $ 3, 000.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: You can look and see. you can look and see
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: you'll be able to go to a menu online it's
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: like gas buddy when you're looking for a gas station but.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: You're gonna be able to do that clean bathroom or
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: whatever that clean bathroom that one that one's crazy and
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: they lie on there and some of them are at
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: rest areas too and i yeah i got accosted by
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: a guy who was in a i guess he was
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: like an easter but he was like an easter bunny
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: like impersonator whatever um anyway whatever good to be here
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: today um So you're telling me that that's going to
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: be a real thing. That's going to be available to
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: us on our phone. So say I need to get
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: an MRI. I can look online. You can look and find.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: And right now there's no way that you can figure
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: out the price of an MRI.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: And they'll lie to you. But if you call them
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: and say, okay, I'm not going to come. I've had
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: experiences where they will call you back and then we'll
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: offer you a lower. Yes.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: But they're all playing that game and now they're not
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: going to be able to do it anymore.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: How soon is that going to be released?
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: It's going to be released very, very soon in the
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: next couple of months. all the hospitals now have to
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: come online and start reporting. And the ones that don't
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: do it immediately, we are going to have very, very
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: high fines for them. So there's going to be big
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: incentive for them to start our reporting, but it also
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: is going to drive down prices because why is there
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: that absurd differential between 1300 and 22,000?
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: It's just because we don't know.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: Because we don't know. So there's no market. So they
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: do whatever the hell they want. And now, There's going
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: to be competition because people will be having to shop.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: But won't there be lobbyists that are, aren't there lobbyists
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: just fighting you? I mean, right here it says, here's
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: compiled a list of example of hospitals and childbirth costs
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: in Nashville based on available self-pay cash bundles. Ascension St.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Thomas is $ 4, 800 to $ 7, 800. National General is $ 10, 000 to $ 15, 000. Yeah,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, why is that? That's just chaos. That's chaos.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: There's no market there.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, it's unbelievable. And this happens at every,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: it can be something as small as getting like an
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: aspirin when you're in the hospital. It can be anything
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: where they just bill you later and like, oh, it's
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: a $ 70 aspirin.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Or they'll say to you, you know, if you want,
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: you can spend an extra day here. You look sick.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: You look like you could use the rest. And you'll say,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: I'll do that. And then you get a $ 100, 000 bill.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they only have fluorescent lights.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: You could have gone to the Four Seasons.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for four years. Yeah. At that rate. So that's
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: actually going to come into play.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that will be in play.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: And what's that going to be called? How will we
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: access it?
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: It's called Price Transparency. I think we're calling it Trumparency.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: No.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, if Trump named it, he would. He would
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: name that in a heartbeat, you know. That's hilarious, though. Trumparency, dude.
• 58:42
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• 58:49
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  Speaker 2: in history, than HHS has done in a single year
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  Speaker 2: at any time. And I think we're dramatically changing the
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  Speaker 2: relationship between Americans and their health care system. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: to keep hitting it and hitting with the tugboat and
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  Speaker 1: And things change. I know before you leave, you had,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of like, uh, stuff that's focused around addiction, right? Um,
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  Speaker 1: are some of the new implementations or some of the
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• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, the problem with addiction is that the
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: cost of the addict, you know, we at HHS, we're
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: the fiduciary, the medical cost of the addict. So we
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: can look and say, okay, if we can cure you
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: from addiction, you know, I have a cousin who you'll
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: Patrick Kennedy, who was in Congress, but he had 17 rehabs.
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  Speaker 2: And he was telling me during that period of his life,
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  Speaker 2: he was at the emergency room every two weeks, and
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: he had irritated bowel syndrome, and he had contusions, and
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  Speaker 2: he had all of these other illnesses that he didn't
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: even associate with addiction, but they were all associated with it.
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  Speaker 2: And you know that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, it gets deeper.
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  Speaker 2: And he said in 15 years that he's been sober,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: he's never been to the emergency room once. And so
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: HHS is able to look at those costs and those
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: trajectories and all those collateral damage in the healthcare system.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: The addicts costing elsewhere a lot more money with law enforcement,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: with broken families, with lost jobs and inefficiencies, and those
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: aren't internalized anywhere. And what we're trying to do is
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: bring together all of the agencies, the VA, labor, HUD,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: and HHS, all the agencies of HHS together to look
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: at that addict and then follow him over. Have somebody
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: responsible for following him over the lifespan of his addiction.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: And nobody does that. And so now it's the same
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: problem that we have with the healthcare system is that
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: It's everybody's financial benefit to keep that addict sick because
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: everybody's making money from them. And so you don't have
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: anybody who's accountable for the outcome. And what you need
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: to do is, you know, we're doing these pilot programs
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: called Street and eight different locales to figure out how
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: to do this, to bring all the agencies together, do
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: early interventions, confront the addict on the street, get them involved.
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  Speaker 2: out of crisis, into treatment, out of treatment, into rehab,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: out of rehab, into sober housing, long-term care. Help them
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  Speaker 2: find a job and stabilize their lives and have one
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  Speaker 2: person who's responsible for that whole trajectory. Amen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because when it goes piecemeal like that, it's just
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: like it's easy for people to just.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: And they hand them off, and then everybody checks the boxes. Yeah,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: everybody— I found him a house. Okay, he's still shooting up.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: He's pulling the copper wire, you know, piping out to
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: pay for his dad. That's not my business. Yeah. That's
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: law enforcement. That's somebody else.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I just, I think it's amazing. You
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: care so much about that. And yeah, I just, yeah.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: For the chance that people can get well and change
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: their lives. Before you go, Bobby, you and I have
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: been friends and I've always trusted you and I've always,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: you know, I believe in you and I just know
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  Speaker 1: you as a person. And I know this is a
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: guy at a certain points in your life. I think
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: you just have to make sure he's like, this is
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  Speaker 1: a guy I believe in.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Like for as much as you can believe in a
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: human being, you know, like acceptable levels. Who are some
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: other like congressmen and senators on either side of the
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: aisle that you believe that we can, that regular people
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: like me can trust?
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  Speaker 2: People that I, there's a ton of congresspeople who are incredible.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: And there are actually too many to even name, to
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: start naming because there's so many good ones. But in
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: the Senate, Ron Johnson, who, you know, is fantastic. Roger
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Marshall from Kansas is fantastic. Mark Wayne Mullins. The president
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: isn't crazy about Rand Paul, but Rand Paul has been
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: really good on a lot of my issues. And, you know,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of other ones, too. So, you know,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: what about Senator Hawley? Have you are you familiar with him? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: And he's great. I've had tremendous support from the Senate,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: from the Republicans in the Senate. The Democrats have been
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: my friend my whole lifetime. It's just so tribal now
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: that people are not able to follow their conscience.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: They need to— Ask their handlers, all that?
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: Well, they need to be part of the clash of
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: tribal narratives. And my family is the same way. you know,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: I lost a lot of family and a lot of friends. And,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: you know, the Democratic senators were all my friends. Bernie
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: was my friend, et cetera. But now they are, you know,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: they're just locked in. If you have anything to do
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: with Trump, you're, you know, you're demonized and vilified. And
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: like President Trump says, he said, if I cured cancer,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: they'd still find something wrong with me. And I think
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: that's true that we're not, You know, we're locked in
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: this very, very polarized space that is not good for
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  Speaker 2: our country. When my uncle was in there, everything he
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: did was bipartisan. He was there for 50 years. And,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: you know, he had more legislation under his name than
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: any senator in history. And it's because he was able
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: to work across the aisles. But no matter who you
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: are now, you can't work across the aisle. So we're
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: locked in this deadlock and it's very, it's, um, it's troubling. Um,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: but you know, that it's just the reality of where
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: we are.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Whenever you kind of got behind the curtain, was there
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: any more information for you there about, um, any of
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: the assassination attempts that had happened with your family or
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: anything like that? No, I mean, my, like, did they
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: give you any more like unredacted statements? Like, was there
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: anything like that?
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, President Trump has ordered all that stuff
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: to be released. And in fact, there was some stuff
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: that I asked him not to release, and he said, no,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: I'm releasing all of it. And the reason I didn't
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: want it released is because there was information in some
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: of the telegrams that could have jeopardized people who were
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: still alive. on a completely different issue. But it seemed
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: to me that it was, you know, that it's, it
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: was worth withholding a couple of these documents. The reason
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: I knew a lot about it is because my daughter-in-law,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Amaryllis Fox Kennedy, who ran my campaign is now the
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: deputy director of national intelligence. And she's the chief of
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: national intelligence at OMB. And she was given the responsibility
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: by President Trump of releasing all the JFK files. And
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: she's been thinking about this for years. She was in
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: the CIA.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's wild. Oh, I met her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've met her.
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  Speaker 1: But so, no, nobody slipped you a napkin and was like,
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  Speaker 2: Not on that issue.
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  Speaker 1: Got it.
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  Speaker 1: Before you go, and thanks so much, man. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's great to see you. You look great. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you, you know? I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: know you don't care about that. Maybe, or you do.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It doesn't matter.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said that. I'm just like, yeah, you just, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you always remind me of like a, just to be resilient.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: So thank you. That's what I meant to say. Yeah,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: if you had just like, if you had one thing
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: to just tell just people, like what would you tell them?
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'd say eat real food. If it comes
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: in a package, you probably should leave it in the package. But,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: you know, if it comes from the ground, if it
• 1:11:46
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• 1:11:52
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  Speaker 2: good diet. Amen.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: Cool, man. Thanks so much for hanging out, dude, and congratulations. And, yeah,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: keep fighting for us. We appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Theo. Great to see you.
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  Speaker 1: You too, bud.
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