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29. Yorba Cemetery + Listener Ghost Story! (Ponytr0n) · Amigos, Afraid!

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Fuck ice. Absolutely, absolutely say that
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with your chest. Fuck.
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Boss Ice. Hey, Brian.
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Hello. How you doing?
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I was doing so good, but then the reminder that it's exist
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actually like I'm fit, like made my blood boil.
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All right, from the top, from the top action, how's it going,
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guys? I know we're in a time of
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absolute misery. Yeah, hopefully for the next
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hour we can have a fun little silly goofy time with each
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other. Yes, because the rest of my day
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and week and just existence the last.
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Honestly, the last year and months has just been so hard to
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deal with on the day-to-day. Yes, it has, Brian.
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And fortunately for us, today we're going to focus on more
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paranormal things. Yay, because normal is too
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fucked up right now. For real.
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So let's focus on the spooky Oogie Doogie supernatural.
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You said dookie. I did also, it sounds like my
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upstairs neighbors are like breastfeeding the floor.
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Like they're pumping something out of the floor.
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Breastfeeding the floor. Is crazy sounded like the
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machine. Don't don't.
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You're right. It did it really did.
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OK if you guys listen to last week's episode, we went ghost
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hunting and we brought you along.
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Did you like it was a fun was it scary?
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Did you, did you get scared to pee yourself a little pee boy or
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no, I'm not pee boy. That was so fun.
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I hope we get to do a lot more of that in the future.
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We need to research some local areas to do a little ghost
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adventure, a little ghost tour. We we didn't switch it up
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because we've done this in the past already, but technically we
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switched it up because we went out and about with mics.
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Guys, we were out in the world recording a podcast in public,
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people walking past us. The freaking caretaker of the
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house thought we were so annoying that he had to leave.
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He. Slammed the door twice and then
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walked. Out said fuck y'all never looked
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back. No, he walked with dedication
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away from him, chest up. We have officially now posted
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the video portion of last week's episode on Tiktok.
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It is a 10 minute longer video, so if you want to go see us in
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action, please follow us on Tiktok.
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It's the daily BJ. It was honestly a really good
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time. I would do it again.
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I would do it again too. Mostly because it wasn't super
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scary. Yeah, we gave it a 1.5 out of.
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Ten. Yeah, if for some reason like.
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We do this and one of us gets attacked.
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It's like kalamarks or something.
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Then I I might reconsider how fun it is.
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I think that's how it normally goes.
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I've been getting a lot of like tik toks and stuff on my feet
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that's like it's all fun and games until and then there's
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like a clip of something that's just freaky as fuck.
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A brick flies at you in the background.
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I think I saw one of them where it's like you can see the shirt
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being pulled from the back just like slowly.
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And yeah, that's, that's kind of like one of those fuck this
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moments. I'm out.
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As scary as that is, I'm still willing to experience that one
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time, just once. He said it again.
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I did not. You said it.
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I'll be with this you. Leave Jerry alone.
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You'll come to me. Yeah, I, I think it was
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obviously not scary, but I, I, I like the process of
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investigating and walking out and, you know.
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We also went with an enabler. We only had plans to just visit
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the Bradford house. That's true.
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That's what our lovely little camera lady said.
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Go to the cemetery. Come on, let's scope it out.
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Let's just see. Emphasis on lovely and little.
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Lovely and little. And we went and off we went to
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the cemetery, which is honestly really, really, really cool.
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I'm glad we went. That part was a lot more
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interesting, yes, then the Bradford house.
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So the Yorba cemetery we pulled up to the middle of this little
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quiet neighborhood. I think that Estes method like
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was way better there than it was.
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I agree. At the Bradford house, I agree.
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And if you listen to the episode, some of those answers,
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you just coincidence my ass. Because there's too many of
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them. Yep, there's too many.
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And then the vibes there were just a lot scarier.
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We're we're going to do a deep dive into the Yorba Cemetery
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today because we only gave. You a.
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Tiny little portion. We gave you a whole history on
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the Bradford house this week. We are coming at you with the
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story of the Yorba Cemetery. Before then, though, we finally,
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finally have a listener story. A listener stop.
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Yes, so this last week I was hanging out with some friends
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and I was talking with my friend Jesse.
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Jesse, love you. He was saying, oh, I've never
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had a scary experience and then says, oh, actually, well this
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one time and then tells me the scariest experience.
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Proceeds to tell you the scariest shit ever.
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Some trauma inducing shit man. So I've, I've listened to this
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because I, I was there in person recording it, but this is going
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to be Jerry's reaction. Yes, it is.
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And thank you Jesse for sharing and and willing to for us to put
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it on the podcast. So that's awesome.
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Yeah, hopefully. You can join us live in person
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for an episode, but for now, your beautiful voice will do.
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OK, folks, here we go. OK.
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So this is my friend Jesse. Is there a title to the story?
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No the Jesse story. The Jesse's ghost story.
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We'll call it the the ghost ghost story.
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OK, Think of ghost. OK, Ghost.
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Ghost, ghost. There was something.
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Going on and it was. Just my clothes that I left.
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Like it looked like a. Figure it was just growing it
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looked like a figure to you Oh my God hi everyone I'm here with
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my friend Jesse and he has a ghost story he wants to share
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with us it's. Not really.
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OK, it's not really like. Paranormal.
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Ghost Story. But it was like an experience
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and it was like, so like playing games in the living room.
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It's like an old house, like with my family, you know, like
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very young. I was like maybe 14 and then.
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It's a scary age to. Be it was a weekday, mind you, I
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was playing video games on a weekday and then I'm playing and
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then like I fell asleep because it was like, you know obviously
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I wasn't playing for so long and I think woke up and it was like
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it was like midnight or like 2 in the morning.
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I could not tell you, but I woke up witching out and like it was
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late as fuck and I was like Oh my God, I can't believe I fell
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asleep in the living room. You know, I'm like, and like it
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was cold and like I think my game was still on so, you know,
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I had to turn it off and but like, but when I woke up, it was
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really sudden. Like I, you know, I forgot about
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that. Like when I woke up, it was
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like, it felt like someone kind of like like grabbed me and like
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like kind of shook me and like I couldn't, I can't remember what
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was said to me. I don't know if it was like my
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name or something. Like you heard?
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Something, no, I heard something like I swear it was like
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something grabbed me or something and like no, So it, I
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was like a little panicked and like that's why I, I, I was
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like, Oh my God. Like I woke up and like I was
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freaked out because I was like, I'm in the living room.
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That happened and then I'm looking at the TV and like my
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games on so I'm like OK, I got to get upstairs so fast.
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So like all this happening really fast, but like it's it's
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just happening and we and I had to go upstairs to go to my room.
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So my stairs are like really like there was like a narrow.
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Way stairs involve. Turns like from the left going
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up and the stairs are very small like that.
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It wasn't a very big two-story house and like I grabbed the the
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white wooden rail or whatever to go up and like I swear I feel
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like something It's like almost like if someone rested their arm
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and hand on my arm and hand like and I felt like chill.
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I felt like it was in the reason like that's that was what I
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felt, but it felt like I would, I would say like if almost like
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if they were trying to rest their hand at the same position
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with my arm so that we were like the same arm.
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It felt like it's kind of like that.
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Like they were like, it felt like a lot of just like cold
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grabbing my entire arm and it freaked me out because like I
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heard something and I ran to my room.
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I ran to my room and I was like, Oh my God, like what was that?
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And then like, I, I don't know, I didn't, I didn't know what it
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was, but it freaked me out and I was like, I think I, I just like
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tried to go to sleep as quickly as I could and then I just woke
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up because. And you woke up in your bedroom.
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Yeah, I woke up in my bedroom because I was asleep.
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I mean, I, I had ran to my bedroom, you know?
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I felt like the house was weird, though.
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That was weird. I don't know.
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I don't know. That's like I, I'm like not a
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paranormal person. It takes a lot of convincing for
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me. I need, I need evidence.
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I want to say evidence, you know, So like sometimes stories
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don't do enough for me, but I'm still interested in hearing
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them. But like, I have my experiences
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and like, I don't think I've had a lot of experiences recently, I
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would say. That's kind of terrifying.
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If that happened to me, I think I'd cry.
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Yeah, but sometimes I think that like I, I would wake up a lot
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where like, like I wake up and then it feels like, you know,
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when like you, you fall in a dream, right?
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You kind of like. Shake.
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You shake. So that's kind of how it felt
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when I woke up in that moment, but it felt I was dreaming about
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something irrelevant to that and I didn't.
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It's not like I fell or anything, it was just, it felt
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like someone like almost like if my dad was like Jessie or
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something. Like thing like.
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Yeah, yeah. Well, and I think that's what I,
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because when I woke up, I, I was, I was like, where like who,
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who did that? Expected to see.
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Some Yeah, I expected to see like my dad.
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I want to see. I expected to see my dad wake me
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up because my dad would have been mad that I was playing
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games on a. School night.
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Yeah, On a school night. So like, that's why I was like,
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I was like, oh, and then I didn't see anybody.
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And that's what freaked me out. And that's was like, I got to go
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upstairs. I got to have some, you know.
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That is kind of scary, anticipating you're going to see
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someone or something you expect not happening.
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It was freaky because that happened and then I get on the
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fucking stairs and I put my arm on the the rail and then yeah,
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it felt like it felt scary. It felt scary, but yeah, I don't
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even. Did I go to my room?
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I think I did go to my room. I might have gone to my
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grandma's room. Was she there?
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Yeah. So like, yeah, So like, I might
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have slept in her room with her because I might have been
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freaked out, but I can't remember because I was young and
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I don't. And I feel like there's a lot
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that I can't like remember. Well thank you for sharing, that
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is actually my worst nightmare. Like I'm trying to think of like
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other things that I've felt very similar, but it's not, it's not
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like I feel like that was like one of the most memorable.
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So many things, so many things. First of all, thank you for
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sharing. Again, that's a freaky ass
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story. Like, OK, OK, OK, let's let's
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get into it because I have too many thoughts, but I'm and I'm
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going to forget. I know that feeling of yes, when
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you like fall in a dream and whatever and you like suddenly
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wake up like jutter not like let your light twitch it yeah, it's
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like it's like a twitch. It's like a sudden twitch and it
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just it wakes you up. You're like fully conscious like
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just there's no time for waking up slow like, you know, like
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that slowly. No, it's boom, you're up your
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senses, your vision, your hearing, your everything, But
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I've had that feeling where it's it's not a falling dream, it's
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not a tripping dream. It's just like a what the fuck?
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What woke me up, you know, And some sometimes it is someone
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calling your name out out loud and your brain just registers it
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and wakes you up, right? I'm snapping.
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So you think like something or someone like called Jesse I?
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Think so, I think cuz then you're like I you're, you're
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expecting to see something, you're expecting to see someone
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and clearly it's familiar to you or not where it's either someone
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you know that called you or you feel that called you, or it's
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something completely different that just woke your body up and
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with one thing you trust your body, you know, true.
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I truly believe in that. That's freaky as fuck.
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Another freaky thing. The stairs.
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You said the stairs that automatically.
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Yeah. In the night time at dawn, like
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while it's dark, you just stare up to a dark hallway that is a
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portal to freaking hell. Yeah, it's an abyss black hole.
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And the freaky part is putting his hand on like the rail and
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not feeling a hand like opposite where it's like you feel the
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fingers on your knuckles and stuff like.
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It's like the. Orientation.
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Yeah, no, this is the same orientation, like a hand over
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your hand. And that is weird because then
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that tells me it's like, well, they're not like, are they
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directly on you? Are they directly behind you?
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Like what is? It I wonder if they're like
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floating like right behind you where they can put the.
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Yeah, like right behind you. And it's just like a right
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behind you. And it's just like this.
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Sorry, I had to put my mic down and use my hands instead of like
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the person being up or something.
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Being up and then feeling this, you know, feeling.
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Yeah, I you have to see you guys can't explain it.
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DDC Why I called it the ghost ghost story because I was
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thinking about the ghost movie where the hands go over.
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Patrick Swayze, This is the second time we talk about.
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Patrick. It was Patrick Swayze's ghost,
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Jesse. You sure felt like safe in his.
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Arms. Yeah, yeah, you should have just
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caved in and started making some pottery.
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I You make a great point with that first remark of
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anticipating something normal. Because if you woke up fully
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expecting to see your dad calling your name, the scary
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part is not waking up. The scary part is waking up and
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realizing that's not what happened.
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Exactly. Especially in that split moment
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of like Oh my God I'm alone. What the What the fuck was that?
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And then feeling like you're being shaken, like there's that
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too. Like what?
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What are you doing? That's.
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That's fully different from that little like, jolt you do where
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you feel like you're either falling or in your dream or
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something similar. Yeah, that's different from
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someone like rattling you. Exactly.
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Like, but that's two very specific feelings.
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That man. You, you, you just there's no
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words for it. Like, I can't imagine how scared
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you must have been. As in at 14.
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Like, you're a kid. Yeah, you're a fucking kid.
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Like what? Explain that world.
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Freaky. And they said, oh, I, I don't
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know how to scare you. And then goes on to tell me this
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frightening tale. I've just been attacked by by
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some sort of spirit. Dang I I also know that feeling
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of of living in a creepy ass house.
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Like just something about it the the turning the hallway turning
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into a specific room. I used to live in a house like
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that. Not to like not long, but we
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were there for a couple years and there's some just fad vibes
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in the garage. The one where you had the musty
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ceiling, where you slept in the corner, Yes.
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Yes, somehow there was just like always mold growing in.
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I mean it could have been fucking water damage.
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Oh true into the in the old house.
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It would have been the ghost or it could have just the bad
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energies in that house. But the garage when we first
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moved there was, and I don't know if I've mentioned this so
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sorry if I'm repeating myself, that garage when we first moved
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in there in the back was completely plain, painted from
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wall to ceiling in black and there were stars on the ceiling.
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Whoa. Like like weird.
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Blow in the dark stars. Oh.
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That's not bad, I thought you meant something cultish.
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That's cute. But that's it.
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I wish I had those. There was nothing the walls in
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the ceiling black, you're full and the.
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Stars. OK, You know what, They probably
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went in there and got high and that was there like Vibey Place.
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I don't know, but there's some freaky stories from that house I
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got. I got to pull those up.
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I got to talk to my parents about that.
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Yeah, I get the stories from them.
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They they were interacting with the people that were affected.
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Wow. Thank you again, Jesse.
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That was awesome. Thank you Jesse, hope to have
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you on soon in person. I've never had an experience
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like that as much as I want to. I remember I didn't grow up in a
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but I think is a spooky house because nothing ever happened to
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me. My brother said stuff happened
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to him one time we rented out the room to someone and they
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could would have swore that they saw things but I was never
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really scared of that place. My mom says that when we moved
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in or right before we moved in that the old owners told my mom.
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Don't worry the ghost is nice. I forgot and then they walked
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out of the door quick and. They said you're the Keys by and
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they moved cross country, they moved to Florida.
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Why of all places? Well, back to your regularly
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scheduled program. We're going to talk to you about
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the Yorba Cemetery. The Yorba Cemetery sits quietly
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nestled in the scenic hills of Yorba Linda, CA, a small
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overgrown burial ground with a history that stretches back to
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the earliest days of Orange County.
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According to SoCal landmarks, the cemetery was established in
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1858 by Bernardo Yorba, a prominent ranchero and one of
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the wealthiest men in 19th century California.
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Yorba was not just wealthy, he was powerful.
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According to the Voice of OC, he controlled more than 13,000
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acres of land known as Rancho Canyon de Santana, a Mexican
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land grant he received in 1834. The Rancho spanned parts of what
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are now several modern cities function almost like it's own
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self-contained community. The cemetery itself occupies
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just one acre of the land, yet it holds of this distinction of
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being one of the oldest private cemeteries in Orange County.
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According to historians cited by Voice of OC, it was originally
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intended as a burial place for Yorba's immediate family and
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close friends. Over time, however, that purpose
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expanded. By the time the cemetery closed,
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historians estimate that it held more than 400 burials, all
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within that single acre. And we, we were there.
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That was a tiny little. Block of land that no, there's
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no way. That holds 400.
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No it does not. It's literally not even a block
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long. It's also right in between like
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a tennis court and like a little green walkway.
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The rest of them are probably under that tennis court.
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Imagine you might be surprised. Before his death in 1858,
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Bernardo Yorba amended his will to deed the cemetery land, along
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with space for an Adobe Chapel, to the Catholic Church,
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According to Socal landmarks at the time, churches commonly
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oversaw burials, especially in rural areas where public
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cemeteries didn't yet exist. Members of several prominent
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California families were laid to rest here, including the Yorbas
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de Los Reyes, Peralta, Dominguez and the Navarro families,
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according to Voice of OC. Many of these family names still
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appear throughout Orange County today in street names and
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neighborhoods. What are your thoughts on
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families being buried together? Because that's a big thing in
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Mexican. Traditional.
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Yeah, that's all tradition. The I don't know the Las tumbas,
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the the family tumbas have like yeah, 3 generations already I've
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said I know of. Yours like your family?
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Whoa, have you been? When was the last time you went?
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When my grandfather died. Oh, what are what are the vibes?
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I mean, separate from you mourning, what are the vibes
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like in those cemeteries? Do you Fuck, dude, I'm telling
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you like walking. Not even aisles.
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Because sometimes I feel like they're just like stacked right
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next to each other and it just becomes like a labyrinth.
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And I think they're pretty creepy.
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And some of those are old. I bet.
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Yeah, ancient. The cemetery remained active
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from roughly 1860 until 1939, making it a burial site for
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multiple generations of early settlers.
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According to the Voice of OC, this means grandparents, parents
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and children were often buried in the same small space over
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decades. That makes sense in the 400.
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Like what if they're all buried on top of each other?
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That makes sense. I still feel like it's not
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enough. Not enough space.
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True, that's also not legal in California anymore.
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That makes sense. You can only have one per plot,
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and there's very specific regulations into how deep they
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have to be too. OK, so think about in the late
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1800s. They were like, that's deep.
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Enough space for the body to fit and they put it real deep.
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Because they're they're, they have a bunch of grandkids.
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Exactly. Gotta make room.
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Damn. It's closure came under unusual
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circumstances. According to the Fullerton
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Observer, in 1935, employees of the Anaheim Union Water Company
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began reporting something disturbing while working near
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the cemetery. They claim to repeatedly find
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newly buried bodies outside the cemeteries recognized
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boundaries. So this is 1930s.
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Think like this is the World War, World War One.
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World War Two, 1930s. Sure.
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That that still seems like a recent history to be digging
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around for like water supply issues and you find freshly
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buried bodies outside that little block of land that is
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gated right now. By the way, like where we were
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standing in the Estes method, there was bodies buried there.
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I believe it. I couldn't find what they did
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with them, like if they were like buried in, I don't know.
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That's a good thing to do additional research.
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These reports triggered a letter writing campaign calling for
20:43
intervention, and in 1939, burials at Yorba Cemetery were
20:46
officially halted. After its closure, the cemetery
20:49
entered decades of neglect. According to a Fullerton
20:52
observer, vandalism became so severe that every headstone
20:56
except Bernardo Yorba's was knocked over at least once, and
21:00
even his was in spared, with two panels reportedly shot at.
21:04
Wow. That was the big one in the
21:05
middle. Yes, yes I do.
21:08
And when we were doing the S s method, that's the one where I
21:11
thought I saw like a little flicker of a shadow when nothing
21:14
was moving in the area. Good eye.
21:18
As of today, only 134 headstones remain.
21:22
Despite the hundreds of people buried there.
21:24
Orange County did not acquire the cemetery until the 1970s,
21:28
long after much of the damage had been done.
21:30
In an early attempt to restore the site, the county made a
21:33
decision that permanently altered it, according to the
21:37
Fullerton Observer. All remaining headstones were
21:39
removed, the land was levelled and the markers were returned.
21:44
Except they did not make a burial map.
21:48
They picked up all these headstones that had fallen over,
21:51
were misplaced, took them somewhere else.
21:53
I think they took them to what was Yorba's barn or farm or
21:57
something. He had some other land nearby
22:00
and they reset the land. They put new dirt, they tidied
22:05
it up and they came back and said.
22:07
Shit, you're like damn, where did this go?
22:11
OK, I guess I they used his, his grave as like a marker to be
22:16
like, oh, I think this one was over here.
22:18
That one was over there. What percentage do you think was
22:20
right? I would guess no more than 30.
22:27
I was going to say lower. Really.
22:28
I was, Yeah. What's your guess?
22:31
Like 17%? Oh.
22:34
OK. As a result, there is no
22:36
guarantee that the names on the headstones today correspond to
22:39
the bodies buried underneath them.
22:42
So there is layers deep of bodies and who knows of the name
22:45
right on top matches? Probably not.
22:50
Do you think that messes with things?
22:52
Like they have all these like ghost stories of apparitions and
22:55
stuff? Do you think it's because like,
22:57
the headstone doesn't match the grave anymore?
23:00
That would make a lot of sense and I'll get to that.
23:03
Oh, Jerry has tea. I think.
23:08
In more recent years, volunteers and historians have tried to
23:11
correct what they can't, according to the Voice of OC,
23:13
white crosses now mark locations where unmarked graves have been
23:16
discovered, serving as quiet acknowledgments for those whose
23:19
names were lost to time. And we saw them.
23:21
Or the public works. True.
23:22
Oh my God, we did see them. They I asked Jerry like, no way
23:27
those are from like the 1860s would would not last that long.
23:30
But no, I found out it's because they're newly discovered to have
23:35
a body there. You're telling me that in that
23:37
like fence that they put up to keep people out, there is a
23:40
white cross no more than a foot away from that fence?
23:43
You don't think there's more passing the fence under the
23:46
concrete under those pads? True, you don't have to dig that
23:49
deep for concrete, but I mean they did have to do like sewer
23:53
like they had to lay down a sewer and water pipes.
23:56
They're like, OK, we'll lay the pipe and then if you find the
23:59
bodies just. Always find a body hard right
24:01
angle. Exactly, find another hard right
24:03
angle. We have to find the the the city
24:06
plans for the waterworks there True.
24:10
Today, Yorba Cemetery is open to the public for guided tours on
24:13
the 1st Saturday of each month, offering visitors A brief
24:16
history lesson and a chance to stand in a place where the past
24:18
feels uncomfortably close. Yeah, I'm down.
24:23
I for Saturday of the month is 2 weeks from now.
24:26
Two weeks from now and if we have nothing planned, I say we
24:30
go. I'm so down.
24:32
But what time do they close it? It's only open for an hour.
24:35
Wow. I think it's only from 10:00 AM
24:37
to 11:00 AM, So you have to get there early.
24:39
Pretty early. Yeah.
24:40
And there's no parking. True.
24:42
It was. It's it's literally in a very
24:44
nice private neighborhood where it says no trespassing.
24:47
Yeah, but there's a private cemetery.
24:50
It's true private cemetery, but not private tennis court.
24:53
Exactly that. That's that's open to all.
24:57
I don't see why it wouldn't be. It's not locked.
25:00
They got to figure something out.
25:01
Whatever's going on there is just, it's messy.
25:03
Yeah, it's rude. Let's talk to the HOA and.
25:05
Be like, hey, do you guys have a private cemetery anyways?
25:08
But anyways, but a public cemetery court make it make
25:10
sense. Yeah.
25:12
Wow. And I guess that was a big thing
25:14
at the time because no, I don't think the state didn't exist.
25:17
But there was also no the church didn't have cemeteries in the
25:22
area. Like cemeteries were all
25:24
privately owned. You would just say, oh, we're
25:26
gonna have to bury Grandma Outback.
25:29
Make yeah, make your own little plot of land for.
25:32
I wonder what the land looked like at that time for Mr. Yorba
25:37
to say this. One acre?
25:39
This is a cemetery out of like 13,000 I think.
25:42
It's stretched from Corona all the way to Santa Ana.
25:44
Yeah, like I wonder if you had anything nearby or maybe
25:46
everything was away from this area.
25:48
True, it is on a really nice hill which overlooks like a
25:52
little part of. That I buy into that because the
25:55
closest cemetery or the biggest one in our area is Forest Lawn
25:59
and Covina, and that one is a huge hill also just overlooking
26:03
the valley. Away from like major, major
26:05
cities or major like, well, I mean it's in.
26:08
Well, good time things. Things like grow.
26:11
Like now there's an entire neighborhood in and around that
26:14
one acre of cemetery land. That's true.
26:16
That's true. Well, friend.
26:19
I didn't dive into any of the ghost stories, Jerry said.
26:21
That's all hemp. Ah, specifically 11 Ghost Story.
26:26
Thank you for sharing, Brent. That was awesome.
26:27
I learned so much. There's a legend.
26:32
A pink legend from the Pink Pony Club, maybe.
26:39
Guess what, it's in Yorba Linda. There's a legend that refuses to
26:44
stay buried. Oh shit.
26:48
No disrespect, but this name is pretty, pretty wacky.
26:53
Albina Dello Reyes whoa. Known to generations as the Pink
26:58
Lady of Yorba Cemetery. Died on December 2nd, 1910.
27:03
Oh, that's right before my birthday.
27:04
That's Britney Spears's birthday.
27:07
She is the Pink Lady reborn. The woman herself passed quietly
27:12
into history. The story attached to her did
27:15
not. According to local legend,
27:17
Alvina was wearing a pink gown the night she attended a dance
27:21
at Valencia High School. On her way home along Kellogg
27:25
Rd. she carried her carriage overturned.
27:28
She was thrown out, struck her head and died instantly.
27:32
The legend claims that every even numbered year on June 15th
27:38
or in 2020. 6 I know. Between midnight and 3:00 AM,
27:42
she rises from her grave and walks to visit her relatives.
27:47
She's fucking looking for her relatives.
27:49
This is like a day of the dead type, like.
27:51
Via it does. It does sound like it.
27:52
With a very set time frame, why every even year I would like to
27:55
know. That's that's very interesting.
27:57
Yeah. For decades, thrill seekers took
28:00
this seriously, camping out at Yorba Cemetery in hopes of
28:03
catching a glimpse of a pink clad apparition.
28:06
No one ever did. And perhaps that's because
28:09
Alvina de Los Reyes was never the Pink Lady at all.
28:12
What? Wait, why?
28:13
Why would you tell me that? That was a legend.
28:15
That's what people say. Arthur Peralta, her grand
28:19
nephew, later explained that Alvina died at age 31 from
28:22
complications during childbirth, not from a carriage accident and
28:27
not after a dance. Damn, they got us.
28:30
They said dude, stop. The other problem with the
28:33
story? Valencia High School didn't even
28:35
exist at the time Alvina supposedly attended the dance.
28:38
Are we gullible? Who's who's spread this rumor?
28:41
I mean, I'm sure the locals and stuff in the area.
28:44
Park Ranger Linda Lorenzi believes a legend likely emerged
28:47
in the 1940s. It wasn't about history anymore.
28:50
It was about courage. A night at the cemetery became a
28:53
dare. You had to survive.
28:55
Still, fragments of the truth muddy the waters.
29:00
Some relatives recalled a different young woman, about 17,
29:03
who may have died in a carriage accident while wearing pink.
29:07
Records from the area were incomplete.
29:08
Names were forgotten, stories blended.
29:11
Which happens over time. Normal.
29:13
So the mystery lingered. Was there a woman in pink?
29:16
Was there a carriage accident? And if not Alvina, then who?
29:20
Some legends die harder than the mortals who created them.
29:23
And yet eventually, even legends must die.
29:26
The story is adapted from a historical newspaper article in
29:28
the Yorba Yorba Cemetery Pink Lady Legend, featuring
29:31
interviews with Alvina de la Reyes relatives and Orange
29:34
County Park officials. Originally published in the
29:36
Orange County Register. So.
29:39
So they did some deep dives. Yeah, this is, it's Orange
29:41
County Register. I mean major paper here in
29:44
Orange County. I think the other one was.
29:47
Damn, someone at the register really said I need to get to the
29:50
bottom of this pink lady. Yorbalindahistory.org was the
29:54
other source. So it's, yeah, this story has
29:56
like been around for a long, long time.
29:59
Why do you think that is? It's always like a a lady and a
30:02
color. The Pink lady here.
30:04
Yeah, it's always a lady in something.
30:06
Yeah, the. The Queen Mary.
30:09
I don't know. And I think that is something
30:10
that's widely talked about, like why is it always a woman in a
30:14
gown depending on colour, but it's always white.
30:17
For the most part it's always white.
30:19
I don't know. I think it's an easy and this is
30:21
just what I think. What if it's just a tactic to
30:25
get people to visit their town? But they're OK.
30:28
That makes sense. But unless they're spending
30:31
money in the local economy, this place is you just walk up to it.
30:35
It's not like anyone's make profiting off of this.
30:37
True. I, I just mean like back like in
30:38
the 1940s and stuff like how do we generate revenue?
30:41
How do we make a, a line in the newspaper for people to come
30:44
visit and see, visit our town, Yorba Linda, make up a story?
30:48
I don't know. Who knows?
30:51
But that takes me back to your story.
30:53
They changed up the headstones. They have no idea where it's
30:55
placed. So what did it?
30:56
What if it is her? That's like looking for her
30:59
relatives. True.
31:00
This isn't where my Tia was buried.
31:02
Wait. And then she like, wait, my
31:04
friend has to be buried over here.
31:05
And then she floats over to the other to double check.
31:08
Wait, who's Fred? Who's Lawrence?
31:13
Who's Lawrence? So what if that's true?
31:16
What if? Thought we were Latinos here.
31:17
I know I was like, what, Jacob? I can't even do this.
31:21
Just the twilight. Jacob.
31:22
Jacob. Isn't it kind of crazy how
31:26
history works? This entire land that we're at
31:29
is also originally Mexican owned, indigenous.
31:32
Look at the names. And now it's part of the United
31:36
States of America. Not no.
31:37
This is getting too close to the topics that bring me stress.
31:40
You know what's going to help? Some fun facts.
31:42
Oh. Please.
31:44
Cemetery versus graveyard, is it the same thing?
31:48
No, really. A graveyard is attached to a
31:51
church. A cemetery is a standalone
31:54
burial ground. All graveyards are cemeteries,
31:57
but not all cemeteries are graveyards.
32:00
I thank you, Jerry. I would never have known this
32:02
distinction. Headstones don't always mark a
32:05
grave. What?
32:06
In older cemeteries, markers were often made of wood or
32:10
simple stone, Many of them rotted or sink.
32:13
That's why some cemeteries look sparse even though they're full.
32:17
So some of them are just like gone.
32:18
They're just like there's a body there but it looks empty.
32:21
It looks like it just became part of the land over time.
32:25
I'll get to that. But tombstones sink over time.
32:29
This is my point. No hunting required lol.
32:33
As coffins decay, soil shifts. Graves can sink, especially
32:36
after rain. That visual is nasty.
32:41
Just like sinking and you've seen the I mean.
32:43
No of the coffins like the old wooden.
32:45
Coffins like absolutely paying it just and then caving in and
32:47
then just you know, that becomes compost.
32:49
That makes me think of zombies. Skulls, wings, and hourglasses
32:53
weren't meant to look to look spooky.
32:56
Early gravestones use memento Mori symbols.
32:59
Symbols. Why do the English code symbols?
33:03
Skulls sounded the same each time you said sorry.
33:07
Skulls equal mortality, Wings the soul's journey, hourglasses
33:11
time running out, less Boo and more remember to live.
33:16
Get it? Like less Boo.
33:17
Oh my God, yes, I can get it. Graveyards are accidental,
33:22
accidental wildlife preserves. Because they're protected and
33:26
rarely developed, cemeteries often become safe havens for
33:28
birds and other animals and plants.
33:31
That that makes a lot of sense, especially like the old
33:34
abandoned ones graveyard specifically in those churches
33:38
in the forest and you can just envision like a bird's nest some
33:43
deer walking by. I was watching a crazy YouTube
33:46
video of it's related of this man who died, but that's not
33:50
that's not the point. But he did die.
33:54
He was hit by a drunk drive. Right thing.
33:55
That's so sad. But his whole channel was him
33:58
doing these crazy explorations in different parts of first the
34:02
United States, then the world where he would find a cool place
34:06
like on Google Maps. And then he would go out there
34:09
and explore. He's done like the Grand Canyon,
34:12
the desert. And he would find all these like
34:14
historical remnants, like the the blades of old arrows and
34:20
stuff. Yes, just artifacts.
34:23
And there was one video. I think it's the same guy where
34:27
he found this really cool looking structure in this random
34:31
mountain in a random country, I think somewhere in South
34:33
America. And he said, I want to know
34:36
what's over there. Why is there just a random like
34:37
castle turret in this mountain range and there's nothing else
34:40
around? He went, I think I've seen this
34:43
on the way there, he finds this old looking church.
34:47
It's not the one that he's looking for, but there's someone
34:50
living there. Hell no.
34:53
It's a monk or a a priest or something that is the caretaker
34:58
of this old ass remnants of a church.
35:01
It has. Is there a dog in the video?
35:03
There's a dog in the video. He invites him in for coffee or
35:05
something. Uh huh.
35:06
And he gives him like some sort of syrup, like a like a homemade
35:11
vanilla syrup or maybe some applesauce, I don't know.
35:15
But then he gives him a tour of the church, and he opens A room
35:19
full of skeletons and bones, and he explains that they're all the
35:23
old caretakers, that when they die, they get put there.
35:27
So homeboy that's living there with the dogs gonna eventually
35:30
end up in there. Does the dog get to go in there
35:32
too? I don't see, I didn't see a
35:34
single dog skull in there, just humans.
35:36
Good. That's fucking wild.
35:38
You know what? I never finished that video.
35:40
I started it and I was like, well, that's weird.
35:41
You want the spoiler? Yeah, sure.
35:43
He makes it. There's nothing there, just the
35:46
he thinks that he finds the structure, but there's there's
35:48
nothing there because he can't reach it.
35:49
It's too steep. Nice.
35:51
But that's going back to the point this.
35:53
Yeah, yeah. It has taken, taken over by the
35:56
environment again. There's a lot of wild animal
35:59
animals that can like make a home out of it.
36:02
It's. Like protection?
36:04
Yeah, nature reclaims. Dang, my life is different now
36:09
that I know the difference between a graveyard and a
36:10
cemetery. A couple more.
36:13
A couple more. Some cemeteries predate the
36:16
towns around them. Settlements, often called sorry
36:19
settlements, often grew around burial grounds, so the dead were
36:22
sometimes the first residents. You can be buried standing up.
36:29
What space saving burials have existed for centuries.
36:32
Monk soldiers and modern eco burials have used vertical
36:36
graves. Hey, at least you're not laying
36:40
down the whole time. I feel like your back would get
36:42
tired. I'd be my feet would get tired
36:43
standing up rather my back get tired laying down.
36:46
This one was really, really cool and it's a lot.
36:50
Cemeteries inspired modern city parks, places like Pere La Case
36:56
that's supposed to be PERELACHAISE, the largest
37:02
cemetery in Paris, famous as the world's most visited necropolis
37:07
and Mount Auburn Cemetery said 175 acre National Historic
37:12
Landmark. Wow.
37:13
Recognized as the first rural or garden cemetery in North America
37:17
directly influence how public parks were designed winding
37:20
paths, trees and monuments. Whoa.
37:25
You know what I want? You made me want to research now
37:28
the catacombs in Paris. Oh yeah, I'm there's some
37:32
sketchy things going down there. What's the difference in the
37:36
catacomb? Paris and the Las Vegas, The
37:39
tunnels, yeah. What let's Teslas dive through
37:42
them? Oh, there you go.
37:43
There you go. You never know.
37:46
Those Paris catacombs have been around a long time.
37:49
I had an idea. We go to the Paris catacombs.
37:52
No, I mean, we can, but that's that's a far off idea.
37:55
That's an expensive sponsors. We're considering a Seattle trip
38:01
soon. There's a lot of, I don't know
38:04
if it's catacombs, but there's a lot of spooky underground stuff
38:06
in Seattle that you can take tours of.
38:09
Would you be down? Should we look?
38:11
Into always always. Down.
38:15
That would be a cool. That would be a cool episode.
38:17
That'd be pretty sick. That's all I got, friend.
38:21
Some fun facts. The Pink Lady.
38:24
Alvina. Alvina.
38:27
She wasn't even real. She didn't even go there.
38:30
She didn't even. Go there.
38:31
She didn't even die there. That has to be the.
38:34
There's a common thread in a lot of these, like folk tales.
38:37
It reminds me of like the Yorona, where it, it's just a
38:41
story to keep you from going into a specific place.
38:45
Like, hey, at night time, don't go into the river.
38:48
Yeah, Main reason the tides can be really strong.
38:51
Yeah. It's dangerous.
38:53
Keep the children from there because they're not going to
38:54
understand. You know what they would
38:56
understand? Fear.
38:57
Fear a scary. Lady, that doesn't exist.
39:00
Same for a lady in pink who is haunting the cemetery.
39:06
That way. You don't go playing there in
39:08
the dark with a bunch of stones, uneven ground.
39:10
You're gonna hurt yourself unsupervised.
39:14
But then on the other side of the coin, you have people who
39:17
are drawn to this that are like, wait, there's no pink lady,
39:20
let's go see. And they go and they vandalize
39:22
the freaking cemetery. That's true.
39:24
And once again, like what the the the trend with vandalism
39:28
with cemeteries and places like burial grounds like.
39:32
I don't understand why desecrate it.
39:34
I there's another cemetery nearby that I would also love to
39:38
go to, but that one is not open to the public and it's not even,
39:42
I don't think it's close to anything.
39:44
It's like near some trade train tracks.
39:46
But that's the Spadra cemetery in Pomona.
39:49
They also have tours, but that's mostly only in October.
39:52
Spadra is the last name of the person that stayed at the Berry
39:55
there, right? Yes, Spadra I think is I'd have
39:59
to do research so I could be lying.
40:02
Is the founder of Spadra eventually became Pomona OK but
40:09
set up farm there and it became so populous that they ended up
40:15
making a train. But then the train ended up
40:18
leading you all the way to I think LA and other bigger cities
40:21
that eventually Spadra died out and then Pomona came years later
40:25
but it was big enough for them to have their own small cemetery
40:27
too. But same thing, everyone came
40:29
and broke all the graves in like the 1970s and 80s.
40:33
You think Spadra and Yorba knew each other?
40:36
Honestly, we can look into their timeline because if they're
40:39
around the same time, they're each other's neighbors to the
40:42
North and South. Not by a great distance either.
40:45
Yeah, no, they're right there. Like before freeways, think
40:47
about how fast you can get there.
40:50
Couple hours, no settlement. I would say within the hour.
40:53
You got a fast enough horse, yeah?
40:56
Can you write some fanfic? Oh my God, Dorvan's Badra
40:59
homoerotic fanfic show the late 1800s.
41:02
Heated. Heated.
41:05
Ranch Heated. Ranchers.
41:08
Heated ranchers. Wow.
41:10
Because we were both farmers. So I mean right?
41:13
True. They knew each.
41:13
They knew the struggle. Heated farmery.
41:16
Heated farmery. I'm writing it.
41:18
I'm writing that down. Wow.
41:23
Well, that was just a short episode for you guys to give you
41:25
some more insight on the second-half of last week's
41:27
episode. And who knows, we might come
41:29
back next week with something just as scary or something
41:33
completely different. We don't know.
41:35
Check out the video if you haven't already.
41:37
You'll you'll get to hear what we're talking about, but see
41:39
what we're doing at that time. So kind of like today when I was
41:42
trying to explain the hands, you had to see it you had.
41:46
To be there one day we'll have a studio and cameras and this will
41:49
be a visual podcast also. But until then, until then, just
41:52
watch your Tik Toks and listen to our beautiful voices through
41:55
your ears. You get to see us, we look
41:57
pretty good. Yeah.
41:58
Oh, Jerry especially. Did you see him in that video
42:00
with that beanie? So handsome.
42:02
Beanie. So handsome with the blindfold
42:04
on. Oh my God.
42:06
Stunning, stunning. Half his face covered.
42:09
Oh gorgeous. Amazing, beautiful with a beanie
42:13
and a hoodie. All we could see is his chin.
42:15
Oh my God, I'm a sweating a face.
42:19
Do you have a song recommendation for the week?
42:21
Damn dude, I. Should we give 2 because we
42:24
didn't give one last week? I'll give 2, but you go first.
42:28
OK, the first one I'm recommending is, I know it's
42:36
kind of meany a lot of people didn't like it when it drops,
42:39
but that's because they don't get it.
42:40
But I get it. It is Internet Girl by Cat's
42:43
Eye. It just scratches my brain in a
42:45
really good way. Eat zucchini, guys.
42:47
Eat zucchini. I need to hear that.
42:49
Have I heard that? I don't think I played it for
42:51
you, and I highly doubt you would have stumbled across it on
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your own. Show me after.
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OK, I have my 2:00 but I'll finish no.
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I don't have my second one so you give me your first.
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One, OK, I'm going to go with and this was the song that I
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came. It came up randomly one night.
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It was like let's dance. I'm like, OK, cool.
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And then she put some those old romanticas, like those romantic
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old school songs from like the 60s and stuff.
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Oh. And this song just dude, in
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another lifetime, I was a 60 like AI was in a band in a 60s
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band, just singing romantic music and and and ballads.
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This one is Muriola Flor, Los Angeles Negros.
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Oh, you play that in the car, right?
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Yes, you know what? It's not that one.
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Never mind, it's evolvedere by Los Angeles Negros.
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OK, I mean, those could be your two songs.
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No, the other ones are really good though.
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OK OK. My second song is by Chilean boy
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group called Q Under Score R, and the song is Last Moon.
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It's pretty good. Yeah.
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They're like, I mean, they're not K pop because they're from
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Chile, but they're a boy group that sings and dances and the
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song is so good. That's cool, but it's in
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English. Which is weird.
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What was their group called again?
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QR like QR code but it's spelled Q under score ARE.
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QRE qar. No, I mean they say QR.
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But it's OK. That's how it's called.
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Gotcha. My second song is Homeland by
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Nini Music. It's folk metal.
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It's so good. Oh my God with.
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Folk. Metal, folk metal.
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It's, it's amazing. You have to listen to it.
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OK, Yeah, I'll give it a shot. Thank you guys for listening.
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Appreciate you for being here spending your Thursday scared.
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I'm still scared. I am to have been shipping this
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whole time. Oh, the thought of that cold
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hand. That's great.
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No, the thought of the stairs. The thought of climbing stairs.
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Oh fuck. All right, y'all have a great
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day, drink water. Yeah, stay hydrated and stay
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informed. Stay informed please.
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Please pay attention to what's going on.
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Be knowledgeable. Please.
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And be compassionate. Be a decent human being.
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That's all we ask, yeah. Bye bye.