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INTERVIEW: Governor Josh Shapiro On Public Service, Pushing Back On Lobbyists, Kamala Harris + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club morning, everybody is DJ Envy just hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got
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  Speaker 2: a special guest in the building.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, I call him Barack Obama, bar Obama, lail
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  Speaker 3: me God.
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  Speaker 2: Right in front of them, we have the governor of Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 2: Governor Josh.
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  Speaker 1: Is that sa Quon's old helmet because you know he's
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  Speaker 1: over on the birds.
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  Speaker 3: Now you know what is it's signed by s. Let
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  Speaker 3: me put it the fact that you recognize you for.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy the morning. How you feeling, Hey, I'm feeling great.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me back. It's good to be with you, guys.
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  Speaker 4: Seeing you again.
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  Speaker 3: You asked me how my family was before the interview.
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  Speaker 3: I want to ask you how your family is now
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  Speaker 3: because I saw this week that code balmer who was
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  Speaker 3: accused of an arson attack on your house. He played
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  Speaker 3: guilty and will send us to twenty five to fifty years.
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  Speaker 3: How does that make you know you in the family field?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I'll be honest, it's been hard
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  Speaker 1: dealing with this as a governor, right knowing that you're
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  Speaker 1: a target, knowing that in this world of politics we're
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  Speaker 1: in today. You got people who want to do you harm.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sure we'll talk about political violence. We're seeing
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  Speaker 1: way too much of that across the country. But the
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  Speaker 1: hardest part of this whole thing for me has been
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  Speaker 1: knowing that the job I love, right being governor of Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 1: serving the good people of Pennsylvania, put my family's lives
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  Speaker 1: at risk. I mean, this guy, Charlman, he came in
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  Speaker 1: with miletov cocktails, he fire bombed our home.
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  Speaker 3: How did he get so close?
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  Speaker 4: How did he get in?
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  Speaker 1: But I just want to be clear. He was wielding
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  Speaker 1: a metal hammer that he said he was going to
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  Speaker 1: use to try to kill me. And he not only
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  Speaker 1: pled guilty to arson, he played guilty to attempted murder.
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  Speaker 3: Damn.
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  Speaker 1: And So I think the thing for me that I'm
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  Speaker 1: I'm just being really honest, that I'm working through is
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  Speaker 1: how to keep my family safe doing the job I
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  Speaker 1: love that by the way, I feel real purpose in
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  Speaker 1: right serving people, and the notion that people now need
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  Speaker 1: to choose between their family safety and well being and
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  Speaker 1: doing public service. That's a hard thing for me to
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  Speaker 1: work through, just as a dad, you know, beyond being
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  Speaker 1: a governor but look, I mean to your point or
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  Speaker 1: to your question. So you know, there were tremendous failures
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  Speaker 1: from a security standpoint. Pennsylvani State Police, who I do
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  Speaker 1: have confidence in, have changed a whole bunch of procedures.
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  Speaker 1: The home, which really hadn't been this was the governor's residence,
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  Speaker 1: really hadn't had any kind of overhaul from a security
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  Speaker 1: perspective for decades, has gone through that. I do feel
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  Speaker 1: safe there now. I do feel safe when I'm going around.
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  Speaker 1: I worry about my family obviously all the time. But
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  Speaker 1: it was a failure and they learned from it, and
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  Speaker 1: I've got confidence that they're going to do better. If
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  Speaker 1: God forbid, something like that, you know, happens another time.
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  Speaker 3: You got to tell me how you have that kind
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  Speaker 3: of count?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you feel safe?
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  Speaker 3: Because how do you know? It wasn't an inside job?
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  Speaker 3: How do you know? You know? You don't.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know whocause they got pretty close. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: like it was they threw it from the street, like
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  Speaker 2: they got.
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  Speaker 5: He caund doors in your house, which wasn't successful to
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  Speaker 5: get through those doors, and it was fifteen people in
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  Speaker 5: your house.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, there were about twenty. We had me and
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  Speaker 1: my family. There's six of us, Yeah, our two dogs,
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  Speaker 1: and then we also had my brother, sister and their kids,
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  Speaker 1: so my nieces and nephews. Yeah, it was scary. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, knowing that there's a fire and you've got
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  Speaker 1: these brave firefighters rushing in to put out the firefight
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  Speaker 1: and put out the fire. Pardon me as they're ushering
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  Speaker 1: you out. I mean it's scary. Look, there are some
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  Speaker 1: things that they have done. They're going to make what
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  Speaker 1: happened there impossible. Again. They built a wall around the residence.
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  Speaker 1: We really didn't have something like that. There's now a
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  Speaker 1: dedicated crew of state troopers to patrolling the grounds. We
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  Speaker 1: didn't have that before. There's all kinds of new technology.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into it here. That that is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, going to make us safe, and they're taking
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  Speaker 1: steps at our home as well. Look, I think you
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  Speaker 1: gotta in this job. You gotta have faith in the
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  Speaker 1: people around you to keep you safe. Otherwise you become
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  Speaker 1: paralyzed by fear. And I'm unwilling to be a victim
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  Speaker 1: the rest of my life. I'm unwilling to be paralyzed
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  Speaker 1: by fear. And I'm not going to be deterred in
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  Speaker 1: doing this work. I'm not going to be deterred in
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  Speaker 1: practicing my faith. I'm not going to be deterred and
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  Speaker 1: being who I am. I'm not going to be deterredent
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  Speaker 1: just being able to go outside and catch with my kids.
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  Speaker 1: You can't live in fear, and that is kind of
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  Speaker 1: how I've I've worked through this, and my family and
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  Speaker 1: I have worked through this so that we can we
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  Speaker 1: can go forward and do this job we love and
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  Speaker 1: try and do it in a safe way.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you don't believe that building a wall is a
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  Speaker 3: proper way, man.
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  Speaker 1: I've always been for securing our border. If that's where
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  Speaker 1: you're going.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, as you know.
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  Speaker 4: So what startled him? That was my question. Because he
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  Speaker 4: was in the house, he had a hammer. What made
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  Speaker 4: him flee? What made him run?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw the video, but he
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  Speaker 1: used this metal hammer to to break a window to
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  Speaker 1: throw them all tough cocktail, which ignited the explosion. Then
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  Speaker 1: he went to another window, used the metal hammer to
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  Speaker 1: break a window so he could climb in. What's really scary,
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  Speaker 1: which I don't think folks understood when they looked at
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  Speaker 1: the video, is he then tried to kick down a
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  Speaker 1: set of doors that literally lead to our private living quarters.
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  Speaker 1: That's where we all were, So he was a door
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  Speaker 1: away while that was going on. You know, we've later
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  Speaker 1: learned this. The state police opted not to go after him,
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  Speaker 1: but to get us out and get us to safety,
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  Speaker 1: which was the right thing to do, and so we
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  Speaker 1: were able to be safe and secure while you know,
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  Speaker 1: he was able to get away.
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  Speaker 3: And I saw you say that you had an enormous
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  Speaker 3: guilt about that based off what you just said, you
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  Speaker 3: know earlier about being a public servant, being in governor,
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  Speaker 3: but it's still being a father. Is it worth it?
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  Speaker 1: I think it is, Charlemagne, And I mean that's a
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  Speaker 1: tough question. You're asking me, right, Is it worth putting
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  Speaker 1: your kids' lives at risk? Right? I mean that's a
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  Speaker 1: hard thing to ask to answer. I think what I
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  Speaker 1: love public service, and I'm not trying to sound but like,
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  Speaker 1: I really feel like I get to make a difference
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  Speaker 1: every day, and I'm sure we'll talk about some issues.
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  Speaker 1: I think we are making a difference, and so I
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  Speaker 1: want to help other people, and obviously the most important
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  Speaker 1: thing is keeping my family safe. I think if you
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  Speaker 1: can have confidence in the people who are keeping you safe.
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  Speaker 1: You can't walk away now with everything that's on the line,
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  Speaker 1: with all the challenges we face as a country, with
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  Speaker 1: my responsibility to frankly push back on what we're seeing
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  Speaker 1: in Washington, protect our freedoms in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 1: And now it's not the time to walk away. So
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  Speaker 1: I think we're in a good place from a safety perspective.
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  Speaker 1: I am mentally strong and prepared to continue on with
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  Speaker 1: this work knowing that my family is being cared for
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  Speaker 1: and protected, and this is not a time to quit.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's worth it. It's worth it to put
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  Speaker 1: yourself out there and try and do good for others.
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  Speaker 5: How well you say that the conversations with your kids
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  Speaker 5: have been hard, right because of all of this? Have
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  Speaker 5: your kids asked you to not do this job anymore?
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  Speaker 5: After everything?
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  Speaker 1: I want to be respectful to my kids privacy. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'll tell you what it was like in
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  Speaker 1: the days after and kind of where we are today.
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  Speaker 1: We're blessed with four kids twenty three twenty sixteen fourteen.
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  Speaker 1: What was really interesting to Laurie and I and twenty
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  Speaker 1: three is a daughter and then the rest of boys
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  Speaker 1: They each asked different kinds of questions, and they asked
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  Speaker 1: them in a different way, and you know, sometimes they
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  Speaker 1: were concerned about my well being. Sometimes they were understandably
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  Speaker 1: concerned about their own well being. My fourteen year old
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  Speaker 1: asked a lot of questions that were super factual. How
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  Speaker 1: did he get here, how.
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  Speaker 3: Did he do that?
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  Speaker 1: What was he doing? What does the video look like?
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  Speaker 1: You know, stuff like that. And I remember early on
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  Speaker 1: in this I just answered everything I knew. I told
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  Speaker 1: him everything I knew with as much granularity as I had.
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  Speaker 1: I remember my wife said to me, are we doing this?
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  Speaker 1: Like is this what we're supposed to do? Or are
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  Speaker 1: we supposed to like tell our kids this? And I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I think so. I mean, there's no playbook
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  Speaker 1: for this. And so we were just brutally honest with
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  Speaker 1: our kids about both the facts of what happened and
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  Speaker 1: then the emotional questions that they asked. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that helped them get through it too. My kids haven't
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  Speaker 1: asked me to quit. My kids haven't asked me the
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  Speaker 1: real question you asked me before. I think they want
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  Speaker 1: me to keep doing this work. I mean, I think,
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  Speaker 1: like any job that a parent has, it pulls you
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  Speaker 1: away from a game, or it pulls you away from
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  Speaker 1: something they want like that annoys kids, rightfully so, but overall,
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  Speaker 1: the idea that I would quit this job because I'm afraid,
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  Speaker 1: I think that would set the wrong example for my kids.
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  Speaker 1: I want my kids to grow up strong and confident.
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  Speaker 1: I want my kids to grow up in a world
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  Speaker 1: where they feel like they could do whatever they want
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  Speaker 1: to do and they can make a difference in the world.
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  Speaker 1: And I can be deterred by bullies, They're not going
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  Speaker 1: to be deterred by people who want to come after them. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to stand up to that. I want to
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  Speaker 1: show that example.
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  Speaker 3: That would be a tough conversation if your wife and
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  Speaker 3: kids came to you and was like, we love you,
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  Speaker 3: but we want you to step down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Look, you know, when we talk about politics, every decision
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  Speaker 1: I made ever run for an office or or decided
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  Speaker 1: not to run for an office or do something, it's
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  Speaker 1: always been kind of like, you know, one percent political
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  Speaker 1: and ninety nine percent personal and family. Because when you
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  Speaker 1: do these jobs, you've got to be all in. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta be willing to, you know, miss the games
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  Speaker 1: and the routine stuff which which you guys all, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure go through every para cose through that, but you
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  Speaker 1: also have to be you got to have your family
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  Speaker 1: all in to deal with the public pressures that come
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  Speaker 1: along with this. And my kids have been amazing. My
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  Speaker 1: wife has been unbelievable. I mean, we've we've been together
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  Speaker 1: since the ninth grade. She's not that we knew this
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  Speaker 1: was gonna be our lives back then, but she's just
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  Speaker 1: been with me through everything, and she's like the most
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  Speaker 1: amazing support system and just you know, my best friend
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  Speaker 1: in the whole world.
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  Speaker 3: I would go tell them it's gonna be way less
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  Speaker 3: security if I'm not governing no more.
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  Speaker 2: So I wanted to talk about some of the things
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  Speaker 2: that's going on in Washington and how it's affecting you
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  Speaker 2: as a governor. You see so many people can't pay
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  Speaker 2: their rent, can't pay for food, can't pay.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of it, right, and then the tariffs are
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  Speaker 4: adding to it.
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  Speaker 2: Right. The other day we were talking about the average
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  Speaker 2: price of car, A car, just a vehicle, something to drive.
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  Speaker 2: They said, I think like six years ago it was
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  Speaker 2: like thirty something thousand, Now it's fifty two thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: So people can't afford things anymore. It's getting very difficult
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  Speaker 2: out there. They can't afford rent, they can't afford to
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  Speaker 2: go to school, they're taking extra jobs. So what are
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  Speaker 2: you telling, especially the governor of Pennsylvania, what are you
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  Speaker 2: telling people in Pennsylvania about that?
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  Speaker 4: Or how are you helping?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? If any so, we're just having a conversation about this.
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  Speaker 1: I was in Lebanon County, Pennsylvania, on a farm yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, announcing that Pennsylvania has now protected more
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  Speaker 1: farmland than any other state in the entire country. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure not super interesting to the breakfast club listeners, but
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  Speaker 1: a really important thing Forensylvania. Why do I bring that up?
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  Speaker 1: Because I was asked, Hey, what what's going on? Like,
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  Speaker 1: what's on the minds of farmers and people you meet
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  Speaker 1: here in rural Pennsylvania, And in many ways it's the
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  Speaker 1: same thing that's on the mind of people in urban Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 1: in Philly or Pittsburgh or something like that. Affordability for farmers.
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  Speaker 1: Affordability is a problem because of the present's tariffs. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that is the dumbest policy. It has caused prices to rise.
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  Speaker 1: It is shut down markets for farmers. It is shut
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  Speaker 1: down markets for Pennsylvania manufacturers, and you go to the
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  Speaker 1: grocery store, things cost more. You order something on Amazon.
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  Speaker 1: Now they got rid of that so called deminimus rule.
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  Speaker 1: Everything you're buying costs more, and everything costs more because
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump pushed a button and started a tariff for
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  Speaker 1: a trade war with our allies with Canada, with countries
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  Speaker 1: that we do business with to the benefit of Americans.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that some targeted tariff you're there protect
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  Speaker 1: the steel industry or something like that, isn't helpful. But
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  Speaker 1: these blanket tariffs that he pulls out of his ass
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  Speaker 1: and doesn't really have a number that makes a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot of sense, is having a singular effect in my
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  Speaker 1: state and across the country. That is to make everything
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  Speaker 1: cost more, whether you're running a business, whether you're operating
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  Speaker 1: a farm, or whether you're just trying to buy your groceries.
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  Speaker 1: What am I doing about in Pennsylvania in the face
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  Speaker 1: of the federal government working against us. I've cut taxes
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  Speaker 1: six times in our comma. I've cut taxes for seniors,
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  Speaker 1: cut taxes for small businesses multiple times. I've cut taxes
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  Speaker 1: for families who are trying to afford childcare. We tripled
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  Speaker 1: what we call our childcare tax credit. In addition to that,
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  Speaker 1: we're investing more in housing to try and bring down
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  Speaker 1: the cost of housing. We've developed more affordable housing great Eagles,
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  Speaker 1: Shady McCoy and I actually just work together in a
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  Speaker 1: big housing project in the Harrisburg area which is now
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  Speaker 1: built and open. So we have a lot more work to
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  Speaker 1: do on that front, but that's certainly important. We are
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  Speaker 1: doing everything we can to reduce costs for people, to
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  Speaker 1: try and bring down the cost of things. And Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump is just working against us every single day, and
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  Speaker 1: these tariffs are exhibit A.
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  Speaker 3: Who's faulted the government shut down. It doesn't matter because
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  Speaker 3: right now the polls are saying that most Americans are
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  Speaker 3: starting to blame Democrats.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but look, I don't know about the polls, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a political pundit. Here's what I know. I
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  Speaker 1: have to deal with the real effects of it every
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  Speaker 1: day as a governor of Pennsylvania, by the way, as
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  Speaker 1: do other governors. Right. So, I've got a workforce of
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  Speaker 1: about eighty thousand people who work for me in the state.
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  Speaker 1: Roughly ten thousand of them work for the state. But
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  Speaker 1: they're funded by the Feds to support our veterans, provide
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  Speaker 1: health care you know, you name it. They're not getting
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  Speaker 1: paid right now, right and if I pay them in
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  Speaker 1: lieu of the federal government paying them, that's a budget
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  Speaker 1: hit to me. I got veterans. We're one of the
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  Speaker 1: top states for number of veterans, about eight hundred thousand
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  Speaker 1: veterans in our state who aren't going to the benefits
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  Speaker 1: that they need. I got kids with unique you know,
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  Speaker 1: health challenges, who aren't atting the services they need because
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  Speaker 1: the federal government is shut down. Look, the Republicans control
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  Speaker 1: everything in DC. They control the Senate, the control the House,
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  Speaker 1: they control the Presidency. Because of the unique rules that
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  Speaker 1: they have. They need whatever it is, seven or eight
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  Speaker 1: Democratic votes in the US Senate, Why the hell should
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  Speaker 1: the Democrats give up their vote for nothing? They've said,
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  Speaker 1: we want one thing. We want to make sure healthcare
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  Speaker 1: is more affordable. We want these so called Obamacare subsidies extended,
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  Speaker 1: because when they go away at the end of this year.
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  Speaker 1: You want to talk about costs, envy, Your healthcare costs
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  Speaker 1: are going to spike because of it. And so Democrats, rightfully,
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  Speaker 1: you said in the Senate, you want our seven votes,
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  Speaker 1: you got to give us what we need on healthcare,
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  Speaker 1: which by the way, makes a lot of sense. You
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  Speaker 1: got to use the leverage when you have it. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of less focused on who's to blame and
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  Speaker 1: more focused on two things. One managing our state through
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  Speaker 1: this and number two, hopefully seeing the Democrats be successful
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  Speaker 1: in the US Senate in driving home a conclusion that's
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  Speaker 1: going to result in better health care for Americas.
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  Speaker 3: From a strategy perspective, do you think it would have
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  Speaker 3: been smarter to say, you know what, let the Republicans
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  Speaker 3: have their way, let them drive a healthcare So that's
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  Speaker 3: the one issue we can point to and say this
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  Speaker 3: is Republican's fault, as opposed to now the water is
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  Speaker 3: being so muddy because the government is shut down and
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  Speaker 3: so many other people aren't getting paid. So now they're
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  Speaker 3: starting to blame Democrats.
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  Speaker 1: I'm less focused in my day to day life of
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  Speaker 1: letting something bad happen so I can point a finger
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  Speaker 1: at somebody else then actually solving the damn problem and
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  Speaker 1: then go take credit for it. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously you're in the business of getting stuff done, and
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: then you got to go tell the voters what you did.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: I hope that Chuck Schruman the Democrats are successful here
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: and then, rather than try and prove that the bad
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: thing that happened was the Republican's fault, go and take
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: credit for doing something good for the American people and
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: helping them, you know, get their health care. I will
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: tell you this fight is playing out at a really
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: critical time when it comes to healthcare. If I can
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: get maybe just a little though, you can extrapolate this
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: out to every other state. My state, thirteen million people,
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: you know, big state. As a result of Trump and
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: the Republicans passing what they call the Beautiful Bill, which
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: you know, silly name, but just follow me on this,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: five hundred and ten thousand Pennsylvanians are about to lose
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: healthcare coverage. You're about to lose Medicaid, and one hundred
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: and forty thousand more Pennsylvanians are losing food assistants. That's
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: that actually started back in September, right, so.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: We snap and wick and exact sta.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we got this moment right now where I've
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: got you know, six hundred plus thousand Pennsylvanians who are
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: either losing healthcare or food assistance. And then at the
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: end of this year, I got over a million who
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: rely on these subsidies to afford Obamacare. And by the way,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: these are people working, they're doing what we want them
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: to do, and we're giving them a little bit extra
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: help so they can afford a healthcare for them and
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: their families that goes away. So we're facing a dire
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: situation of Donald Trump's making where I've got about a
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: million and a half people who in some former fashion
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: and lose healthcare, be kicked off of it, or lose
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: food assystem. There's a real problem. And by the way,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: the states can't make that up, like we can't backfill that.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I can't speak for every governor, but I don't think
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: any state's budget can backfill the billions of dollars in
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: healthcare and food assistants that they're cutting. So the fact remains,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: if these senators want to go fight to protect healthcare,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I'm all in for that. They should use their leverage
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: to be able to do that.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: Is that why in Pennsylvania right now there's such a
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: back and forth about you guys, budget and trying to
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: figure out what can be improved and what can't because
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: of a trickle down for a big Yeah.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Look, the Feds make this way harder, right, And you
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: know I got I'm a governor with a divided legislature.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I'm one of the only ones in the country. I've
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: got a State House led by Democrats by the way,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: by one seat, the State Senate led by Republicans literally
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: by two seats. So out of two hundred and fifty
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: three lawmakers, three seats separate the whole thing. I've managed
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: to bring them all together to big things, cutting taxes,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: investing in education, by the way, investing in public safety.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I made a commitment to hire two thousand cops and
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: put a few hundred million dollars into violence prevention. It's working.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Crime is down forty two percent in Pennsylvania. So we've
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: shown an ability to come together and get stuff done,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: and certainly we're going to do that here.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: The thing I like about you, Governor Shapiro, is that
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: you aren't busy pointing fingers. You're always doing the work.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: And it's interesting because you're one of the people whose
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: names comes up to run for president all the time,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: but you don't seem to be actively campaigning for that
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: like some of the other governors do. So how do
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: you stay Pennsylvania?
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: First, that's my job, man. I took an oath of
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: office to thirteen million people to work my ass off
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: for them every single day, and I'm busy every day
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: doing that. And look, I think the most important thing
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: when people trust you to do these jobs is do
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: the job, show your work. And I've always believed that
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: the best politics is really good policy, and good policy
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: means lives get get better. So that's the way I do.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I don't want to in any way have that answer
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: be viewed as, you know, a dis of any other governor.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I've got a great relationship with my fellow governors. We've
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: got some amazing governors doing great work across the country,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: and I really applaud them.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I wanted to ask about, you know what, the government
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: shut down? How bad is that affecting the regular person
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania, Because it's it's what this is the third
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: week now going on the fourth, inga sixteen days of
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: sixteen days, and it's and it's getting to the point
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: where it seems like a lot of.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: People are going to be fired, a lot of people
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: are not going to get paid.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: They working without pay.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: They're working with people to get So how difficult is
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: that for you? For your people in Pennsylvania? And what
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: do you tell them? Right, It's like, how do you
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: tell somebody to keep working and don't get paid? You know,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: how do you tell somebody to work but then they
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: can't pay their mortgage or they can't pay for this?
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Like, so what do you say?
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: You know, largest employer in Pennsylvania is the federal government.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Second largest is the state government. And you know, I'm
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: proud to be colleagues with eighty thousand people that work
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: for our state government. I work with them every single
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: damn proud of them, Proud of the work that they do,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: from the folks who clean our buildings to the people
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: that go out and you know, test for public health
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: issues out in our rural communities. I value the work
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: that they do. The idea that some of them are
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: being asked to go to work without pay, that the
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: largest employer in our state is not paying their employees,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: that has a real negative impact to the point you're making.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, these are folks who still need to go
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: to the grocery store, they still need to pay for
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: their kids' childcare, they still need to get their kid
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: the baseball bat they need for littally whatever, and they're not.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I think what's different about this shutdown than past. In
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: the past, they were kind of guaranteed they were going
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: to get their money back at the end of it,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and so it sucks, but they probably thought, Okay, I
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: can get through a week or two or three, but
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get all that money back. The way
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump is doing things, the way these people around
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: them are doing things, I don't think they know they're
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: going to get their money back. And so it's not
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: just about kind of floating through three weeks, right, maybe
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: dip in the savings, put the money back at extent
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: that you have the savings. This is really serious stuff
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: because they don't know that they're going to get that
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: back pay. I think the way Trump has treated the
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: federal work for us, it's just so disrespectful from a
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: human standpoint. In fact, he's laid off a ton of
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: federal workers. We've hired them in the state. They got
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: great skills, great expertise, and they want to do good
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: by their you know, their fellow Americans, and so we've
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: hired them and they're doing really important work. For us.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I think you got to treat people with respect when
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: they're doing these jobs, and clearly the president isn't.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Now I read a. Kamala Harris's book one hundred and
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: seven Days Just Switching gave a little bit sure, and
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I saw your comments on her book. And for those
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: who don't know the form of VP, wrote that Governor
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Shapiro seemed overly ambitious because you were, you know, up
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: with a VP role. She said, you seemed overly ambitious,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: and you pushed for two large a role for a
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: vice president and seemed unwilling to accept a number two position.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: How did you feel when you heard that?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, I haven't read her book. I'm busy
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: every day, frankly, dealing with the effects of the fact
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: that we lost the twenty twenty four election, dealing with
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump wanting to send troops into our street, dealing
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: with Donald Trump, by the way, just a week or
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: two ago, demanding that I turn over the entire voter roles,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: including Pennsylvane's social Security number, driver's license, some of all
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: this stuff. I don't know what the hell he wants
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: that for, but I know it's not for any good purpose,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: and he sued me when I wouldn't turn it over.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I'm dealing with the real effects of governing in the world,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: you know, after Donald Trump won the election. So haven't
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: read the book having really focused on it.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: But even what's wrong with the vice president being overly ambitious?
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: If you're the number two to the number one, Yeah,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: shouldn't you be ready to be number one?
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I guess that's a question for her. She clearly thought it.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: And you also criticized her, which I thought was fair,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: for not speaking out publicly earlier about concerns over President
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Biden's fitness to run in twenty twenty four. To me,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: that's not just the criticism for the VP as a
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: criticism for a whole democratic point.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: You and I have talked about that issue.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Look, I don't want to get into it with the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: former vice president, but I mean, if you're in the room,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: you're seeing things nobody else is seeing, you had a
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: responsibility to speak up, and she didn't.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Do you think?
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Hold on, I think about it and we can move on.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: But the book the book also mentioned because you didn't
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: read it, but it mentioned that some of your comments
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: on pro Palestinian protests were flagged by her campaign, but
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: that wasn't a deciding factor, do you think.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Look, I wasn't in her head. I don't know what
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: she was thinking. I'll just say to you, I think
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I said this to you before, just to keep it real, man,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: when I was going through that process. First off, it's
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: an honor to go through that process. I said throughout
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: it that she had a deeply personal decision to make.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: In the end, Charlemagne, so did I and I love
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: being governor of Pennsylvania and calling the shots.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Now, it seems like you two don't rock with each
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: other too much, right And from the comments that Charlemagne
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: said in the book and things that you said.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: About who a couple of hors, no, I don't get that.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: No.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: And by the way, Shit and I have done each
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: other twenty years. I mean, we've worked together for a
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: long time.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like it's a united front, right, But
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: sometimes you look at Republicans per se, it seems like
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: it's more of affront.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: It just seems like that front wasn't.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think so envy. I worked my butt off
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: to help her get elected. I mean I did every
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I traveled with Gretchen Whitmer and Tony Evers to all
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: three swing states Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan. I did dozens of events. Hell,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I even cutting add for I don't think her campaign
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: ever ran it, but cuttingand for her in Pennsylvania where
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: you know I'm doing okay there. So yeah, I got
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: no ill will and I don't think she does toward me.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: What about because I know you had a conversation with
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: Biden one on one where you told him that you
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: didn't think that he was like fit to run, right,
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: you had conversations with the VP leading up to her
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: announcing and all the things. Did you ever say to
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: her you should say something now like people are relying
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: on you.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Well, I never had a conversation with her. I went
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: directly to the President and spoke to him about what
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I saw were, you know, his challenges in Pennsylvania. I
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: was really honest with him. We got together at a
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: coffee shop in Harrisburg. I think there's been reported. I mean,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I'll just share with you. He said, how's it going.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I was very clear, it's not going well. The polls
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: are showing it's not going well. I don't think you're
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: handling the cost question back to what we talked about
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: before with rising costs. It was a big theme in
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the campaign, big issue in Pennsylvania. I didn't think they
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: were handling that well. I expressed that I thought people
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: thought he wasn't up to the job, not so much
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the job doing it at that moment, but the job
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: doing it for another four years, which I think there's
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: a real difference there. And I was very honest with
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: him about that. Look, I'm maybe it's old school, but
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I believe that if you got something to say, you
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: say it directly that person's face. And these President of
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the United States. I respected him, still respect him, and
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I respect him enough to say it directly to his face.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: I was received.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he heard it. He told me that
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: their poll numbers were different, and he seemed committed to
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: continuing forward and listen, that's his call, of course, I mean,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: it's the President of the United States, and so to me,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I thought I had a responsibility, as the governor from
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: arguably the most important swing state in the entire country,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: to be very honest about what I was seeing on
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: the ground, and to be very honest about the fact
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: that I saw real challenges for him to get or
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: for him to win Pennsylvania. And I was also really
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: honest with him that I had shared a lot of
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: this with his team, and I didn't think that they
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: were being direct with him, And so I felt the
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: need to take what is, you know, a fairly extraordinary
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: step and go directly to the president and say this.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: You can't, you should. That stuff should be amplified. Like
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I knew that story, right. But the reason I say
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: that stuff should be amplified it because that's what's going
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: to help you in the future if you do decide
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: to run for president. Because I keep telling folks like, look, man,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: anybody that wants to lead his party in the future
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: has to throw that old regime under the and it
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: has to be people that told that old regime the
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: truth about where they were at. It wasn't a lot
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: of y'all that did that.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Can I disagree with you slightly on this. I don't
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: believe that you get ahead in life by throwing people
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: under the bus. I don't believe that I got to
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: kick somebody in order to get ahead. I think you
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: got to show your work. I think you got to
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: show a vision. I think you got to tell people
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: what you're all about, and That's how you know you
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: can be successful as a governor, as senator, whatever it
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: is that you do. I made my point clear to
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: the president and the former president, and you know, I'm
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: glad I did that.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, how about being known as a truth teller and
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: a party that lied to the whole country?
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I think speaking truth is really important.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I did that.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I think people believing that even if they disagree with
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: you on an issue, or they disagree with your viewpoint
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: on something, at least they walk away knowing, Hey, you
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: know what, that guy was straight with me. I mean, hell,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I think we started the conversation. I was at a
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: farm in Lebanon County, Pennsylvania yesterday. This is not an
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: area that Democrats go to. And I was there talking
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: for real about tariffs and other things, and I kind
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: of made a joke. I said, look, I know where
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I am. I know I'm in Lebanon County. I know
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: this isn't exactly, you know, an area where I'm getting
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: a majority of the vote or however I said it.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: But I wanted to be here today and I wanted
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: to be clear with you about what I think, how
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I feel, and how I see things. I think what
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the American people really want. Certainly people of Pennsylvania want
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: again swingy estate in the whole country, I think it's
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: a pretty good indicator of where others are. They just
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: want to be real, they want to be authentic, and
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: they don't need to agree with you on everything like
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: this isn't about everybody agreeing on a purity test. They
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: want to know what's in your heart. They want to
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: know what motivates you to serve, and they want to
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: know what you really think.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Were you surprised when when Trump won Pennsylvania?
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: No, I mean I saw when Biden dropped out, he
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: had been consistently down and by the way I shared
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: this with the former president, he'd been consistently down five
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: six seven points. When the vice president jumped in, you
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: saw the numbers close, but they never She never overtook him,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and any of the data that we saw, and look,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I think beyond the data, I got a pretty good
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: feel for my state and in my state, you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: you get a sense of sort of where different areas
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: are going and how they're moving, and she just never
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: was able to close that gap. Now, look, if she
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: would have one Pennsylvania by fifty thousand votes. Would I
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: have been shocked?
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: No?
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: But you asked me, was I surprised or shocked that
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: he won? No? Because basically by the end, when we
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: were in that final couple weeks, you know, she's kind
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: of minus one, even minus two, something like that. I mean,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: it wasn't that she had overcome where he was.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: If she had separated herself more from Biden, do you
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: think she could have won the state? What do you
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: think was the reason why she didn't?
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, look, what's the title the
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: book one hundred and I mean she didn't. She didn't
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: have a lot of time, right and fairness to her.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: But it kind of goes back to what I was
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: just saying a moment ago. People want to know who
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: you are. They want genuineness, they want authenticity, they want
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: to feel like they know who you are. And you
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: know clearly that that was not accomplished.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: How much credit do you think President Trump should get
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: for the Israel and Gaza?
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: He deserves credit. I gave him credit. I gave him
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: credit for getting the hostages home. I think what I
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: also said is he's got a hell of a lot
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: of work to do on what I think is being
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: called Phase two, and Phase two is arguably the most
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: important piece of this. Now that the hostages are home
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and the war has stopped, the violence has stopped, you
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: got to feed these folks in Gaza. You got to
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: make sure that they get the humanitarian aid that they
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: so desperately need. And you've got to get these other
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Arab nations to actually pony up and begin to rebuild
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: those neighborhoos, rebuild that area. At the same time, Hamas
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: has to be disarmed. They cannot continue to be in power.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Look at what they've been doing just over the last
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: forty eight hours. They're murdering they're fellow citizens there because
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: they don't like that they're supporting a rival political party
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: or they believe that they collaborated with the Israelis. So
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: you cannot allow Hamas to remain in power. And you've
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: got to get aid in there, and you've got to
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: get the rebuilding process started. So yeah, I get President
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Trump credit for what he did. By the same token,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: he's got a hell of a lot more work to do,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: and I hope he sees this through.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who feel like the deal
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: isn't complete though, because of a lot of the dead bodies, haven't.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: They're still digging a dead bat of yeah, retireing, and
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: you know when it comes when you're dead hostage. When
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: you say peace like Hamas doesn't believe in is right,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: they exist. The current Israeli government doesn't believe in a
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: two state solutions, So how are they ever going to
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: be peace?
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Look, I'll just tell you my views on this, And
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: again you asked me about the president before. I was
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: trying to give you an honest answer on that. We
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: got to figure out how to get to phase two.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: We got to disarm Hamas, get them out of power,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: and invest in Godsen. Now what does a future look like?
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: And this is where I just have profound differences from Natanyahu,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and I've been really outspoken about this even prior to
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: October seventh. The only way you're going to have peace
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and stability in the region for a long time is
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: if you're a kid growing up in the Palestinian areas
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and you believe you've got a future. You got a
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: future because of the job you want, because the education
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: you're getting, you know, whatever name is. By the way,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: the way our kids feel like they've got a future
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: here in this country. When people have hope and they
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: believe that they can have a brighter future, they don't
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: turn to terrorism, they don't turn to hate. Instead, they
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: focus on loving and they focus on how to create
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: a better future for themselves and their families. So to me,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: if you can stabilize the region, get Hamas out of power,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the our world, come together and invest, then you have
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: to go onto the next phase of the conversation, which
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: is a two state solution, something I have supported for
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: quite some time. Hamas doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: That's why they cannot be empower. Their whole charter calls
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: for the destruction of Israel and destruction the killing of
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Jews and on the same tongue and hamasaid terrorist group.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Natanyahu on the other side, the leader of Israel doesn't
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: believe in a two state solution, so he can't. He
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: either can't be empower right if you're going to get
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: to a two state solution, or the President needs to
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: get him to change his views on that issue. Look,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not naive you're not going to get to a
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: two state solution in the next few months or probably
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: even year, But we've got to get on a path
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: where Palestinians can live their lives with dignity, where Israelis
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: can live their lives with dignity and safety, and where
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: everybody in the region feels like they have an opportunity
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: for success and prosperity and promise in the future.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I feel agree with you about him, Maaz. I feel
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: like Natanyahu should be removed from power to it. And
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: you you've called him one of the worst leaders I
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: have of all time. And you, you know, defend Israel
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: clearly because you do it right.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: No, not because I'm just because I think, first off,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I love Israel. I think it is a wonderful country
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: with a rich heritage. I think it is an incredible
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: melting pot of people, Jewish and non Jewish. I also
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: think it is vitally important to our national security. It
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: is important to having stability in the region. You look
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: around at these other Arab nations that have created relationships
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: with Israel where there's now commerce and other activities through
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: what's known as the Abraham Accords and in other agreements.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: They view Israel as critical for their future and vice versa.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: So I think for all those reasons, I support it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I don't like Nita Yah who, I don't think that
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: he's led Israel down a good path. I think he's
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: been a destructive leader. I don't get a vote there,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: but I sure as heck hope that as we go
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: forward here, either the President gets him to change his
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: views or the Israelis make a different choice and in
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: their election that's their right to pick, not mine. But
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I think this is not just important because I'm a
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: proud American Jew. This is important I think for America's
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: you know, national security interests.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Where is the line between criticizing Israeli policy and endorsing
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: actions you believe cross moral or even legal boundaries?
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Explain what you're asking me.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: I don't feel like with net and Yahoo right, like
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: you know, you say he's one of the worst leaders
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: of all time. Clearly he's some people have said he's
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: crossed a lot of moral and legal boundaries. So where
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: is the line between you know, criticizing him, but in
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: I guess, in endorsing yeah actions, Because if.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: You're kind of understanding, do you love this country absolutely yeah?
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: And do you think Donald Trump does a lot of
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: mass up ship?
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah?
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: That's the line. I mean, I think I think we
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: are obviously free in this country and freedom in Israel.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: To be able to criticize leaders, to be able to say,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I disagree with this policy, I don't like the way
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: you did this, I don't like the way you prosecuted
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the war. Whatever the case is. That's fair game, by
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: the way, and it's fair game here in America to
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: be able to call that out if you disagree. Now,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: when some people use that as a way to promote
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: anti Semitism and bigotry and hatred and Islamophobia, that's not okay.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: So I think criticizing policy, criticizing leaders fair game. When
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you use that as an excuse to, you know, to
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: criticize someone because of their faith or how they look
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: or the way they're raising their kids, I think that
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: crosses the line.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: I agree. Let's stay here for a second. Right, Because
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: I said Israeli policy, I probably say Net and Yahoo policy, right,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: all right? Or when you say America, do you say
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Trump policy?
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Right? But those are the leaders at the time, So
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: should we generalize Should they reflect the whole country? No?
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: I think it should reflect the leaders who are in power. Yeah, yeah,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I mean I'm critical of President Trump and I love
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: this country. I mean, I serve this country. I believe
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: in the values of this country. I believe that we're
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: working progress and that we're always perfecting our union. I
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: believe that we're a country that in every chapter of
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: our American story, we grow stronger, we grow more tolerant,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: we grow more just. And I also believe in this
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: American story that we have chapters where we take two
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: steps forward and one step back. And right now we're
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: in the midst of taking a step back. Maybe you
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: could even argue two or three, or four or five
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: steps back. It doesn't make me love this country any less.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: It actually makes me want to fight even harder to
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: strengthen what I believe is the best of this nation.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: And only reason I'm asking these questions is because you know,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: a lot of people feel like APAC and pro Israel
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: lobbyists have a lot of influence on elected officials here
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: in America. Why do they have so much influence?
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I mean, I don't really
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: deal with a pack. They're more dealing at the federal level.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: And look, I think you can broaden that out and
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: say every lobbying group has too much power. And I
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: think we all can agree there's way too much money
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: in politics, and oftentimes that money brings with it under influence.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: My focus every day is trying to get out and
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: be with regular folk and hear what's on their minds,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: and talk to parents about what they're worried about for
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: their kids' future, and you know, sort of trying and
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: get out of that echo chamber that oftentimes surround you
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: when you're in the Capitol or when you're just in
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: those circles and talk to real people every day. I
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: think that's how I've been able to kind of keep
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: my feel for where things are. I think it's why
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: we're doing so well in Pennsylvania is you focus on
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: regular people, not just the inside voices.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Because I read an article in the New York Times
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: about Democrats pulling away from APEC, so clearly it's having
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: some impact on them politically if they feel like they
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: got to.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's become a political issue. You've
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: used it as a political issue. You've questioned federal representatives
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: when they're on here on that. I mean, I think
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: if I can say this to you, you know, not
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: trying to offend you here, but I think it's a
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: little bit of a shortcut and a little bit of
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: a lazy question. I think the better question is how
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: do you really feel about Israel? How you feel about
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: a two state solution, how do you feel about the war,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: how do you feel about you know, the hostages or
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: hungry kids, or what have you. I think demanding answers
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: on those questions is more important than Hey, what about
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: this lobbying group or that lobbying group.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Well, what do you say to the critics who argue
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: that US foreign policy on Israel is often shaped not
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: by a national interest, well by the lobbying screenp of these.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I think that's a fair conversation to have, and I
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: think it should be on any elected official at the
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: federal level to say, hey, I'm listening to this group, right,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: but by the way, there's groups on other sides too.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: I'm listening to that group. But at the end of
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: the day, we want our federal representatives to be able
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: to sit here in the chair and answer the questions
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: about why they voted A, or why they voted B,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: or why they feel a certain way. And I think
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: it's just a little lazy to say, oh, it's got
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: to be because of that interest group. Maybe someone actually
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: believes those views, maybe someone feels strongly about that particular way.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: How do you push back on the lobbyists who have
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: so much influence.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I kind of do it the way I do it,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: which is in my state, I focus on the needs
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: of the people. I focus on what I hear from folks.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: You know. I kind of have an informal rule that
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I work about seven days a week. I try and
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: only be in my physical office in the capital about
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: three days a week, and so I'm physically out and
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: about listening to folks. I was on that farm in
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Lebanon County yesterday. Tomorrow morning, I'll be in Erie, Pennsylvania.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I think the more I am out and not in
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: scripted moments, but actually just talking to real folk, hearing
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: what's on their minds, that allows me to keep fighting
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: for them. I'll tell you something else I do. You're
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: gonna laugh. But I spend a lot of time in
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: the Pennsylvanian Turnpike going different places. I will make a
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: point to have the guys stop at a rest stop,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: even if I don't really need anything, just to wander
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: through and chat with folks and see what's on their mind.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Like I am always trying to find those moments where
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I can have the unscripted dialogue when I'm at my
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: kids baseball game on the you know, on the sideline
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: or at one of their games, you know, rather than
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: just let people kind of come over to you and say, oh, hey,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: you know Gov, it's nice to meet her, whatever, Can
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: you take a selfie? It's hey, tell me what's on
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: your mind? What's going on? Like, I'm happy to do
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: the selfie with you, But but it changed that I
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: want to know what you're thinking about I am. I
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: am always craving those moments where I can have those conversations.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: And when I can have those conversations, then quite frankly,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the powerful folks in the fancy suits that wander around
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: the Capitol become less important to how you form your
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: views on things.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I see, I loved that because you're out there
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: connecting with people. That that's that shows real power to
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: the people. To your point, folks in DC is connecting
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: with the lobbyists, so they're given the power to the lobbyist.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: So I wonder if it's just a psychological thing, like yo,
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: step out of DC, step out of that bubble and
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: go show and I'm not.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Look, I'm not trying to be disrespectful the people that
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: serve in Congress. I'm sure a lot of them do
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: what I do and and do a great job representing
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: their their communities. I'm just telling you how I do it.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Now, you eliminated for you to requirements for most state
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: jobs I did. Why was that important? And does that
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: kind of tell a young student I don't have to
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: get my degree anymore?
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems college is getting less and less and
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: less important.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Well, look, this is something I'm super passionate about. And
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: what you didn't mention the question. It was literally the
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: first thing I did as governor. So as soon as
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I got the power as governor and got the pen,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I signed in executive order doing away with the college
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: requirement to work for state government. And by the way,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: it's basically every job other than the doctors and the
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: nurses and you know people that we require to have
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: those those advanced degrees. That opened up nearly seventy thousand
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: jobs to people without a college degree, And sixty one
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: percent of the people we've hired over the last two
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: and a half years i've been governor do not have
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: a college degree. And We didn't stop there. We went
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: and tripled funding in our state budget for more votech
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: They got a fancy word for it now, they call
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: it CTE and our high schools and funding for more
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: apprenticeship programs and pre apprenticeship programs. So now what we're
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: saying to folks is, you're in the ninth grade, you're
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: in the tenth grade. We want to help prepare you
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: for your future. You want to go work on a farm,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: you can get CTE training in dairy herd management. You
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: want to be a welder and work on a big
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: construction project, because God knows we need a whole lot
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: more of that in this country. We'll show you in tenth, eleven,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: twelfth grade how to do it, and then we'll have
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: a pipeline right into an apprenticeship program that the state
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: is helping fund, and then you'll be out in a job,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: by the way, making over one hundred thousand dollars a year.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: We want people to see avenues to success and opportunity,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: where they choose to go to college, they choose to
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: go to the military, they choose to go into the
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: workforce in a union hall, whatever. And the most important
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: thing here in view is I want to treat all
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: of those pathways with respect. And you treat those pathways
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: with respect by how you speak about them. But also
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: your budgets show your values, and so we are investing
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: in those things. And as a result, I've got thirty
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: five thousand new Pennsylvanians who are going through an apprenticeship.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I got young people who are now getting jobs that
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: they never knew existed because they were exposed to it
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: in high school. When we did away with the college
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: degear requirement for our state police, we saw two hundred
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: and forty percent increase in the number of applications to
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: be a state trooper, and by the way, far more
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: diverse applications than we've ever had before. If you look
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: at this from the standpoint of right or wrong, man,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I know we're doing what's right to give more people opportunity.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I think you know every single Americans have the freedom
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to chart their own course, the opportunity to succeed. But
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: you want to come back to politics. We've talked a
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: lot about politics today. Do you know how freaking dumb
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: it is to not do this politically? Let me explain.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Sixty two percent of Pennsylvania adults don't have a college degree.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: So you think about where our party has been over
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: the last twenty years. Everything's been about get a college.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: You're you can do this, yout college are gonna do that.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm not dissing on college, right,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I went to college. But if you talk like that,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: you are now saying to sixty two percent of people,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: we disrespect you. And what you're really doing is you're
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: developing plans only for thirty eight percent of folks. We
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: last I checked, you need fifty percent plus one to
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: win elections. And so to me, it was dumb politically,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: but it was also just wrong to treat people with
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: a lack of respect if they chose to go work
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: at a construction site or work on a farm, or
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: decide to take the skills they have and not go
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: to college but go directly in the workforce or go
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: to the military. We have changed that in Pennsylvania, not
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: just with that executive order, but with all of the
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: funding decisions we've made from there to give more people
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: an opportunity.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: That's crazy, because those are people that really make the
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: world go around. Yeah, people that are on those construction site. Yeah,
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: people that are in the trade industry. Yeah, those people
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: that really make the world go around. Let me let me.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Put an exclamation point on that. They are the ones
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: who make the world gorount. America used to have an
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: amazing history of shipbuilding, right. Building is big ships for
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: the Navy and stuff like that. Do you know We've
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: got the oldest shipyard in America in Philadelphia. It's actually
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: where the US Navy began. We just celebrated the two
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Navy and the Marines
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: as well. This shipyard currently produces one and a half
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: of these massive ships a year. They build one and
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: a half ships a year. We just worked out a
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: deal with the Korean government and a company called Hanwa
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: where at that site they're going to now make eleven
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: or twelve ships a year. By the way, in China
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: they're making that each month. They're making more than that
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: each month. So America's got a long way to go.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Why am I bringing this up because to get to
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: that eleven or twelve we don't have enough welders right
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: now to be able to do that work. America stopped
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: training the people that were building the stuff that we
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: need for this country too many years ago, and we've
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: got to get back to developing those talents so we
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: can build these ships, we can build buildings, we can
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: do big things again in America. And the way we
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: do that is by having folks who have those skills,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: and we're investing in those skills in Pennsylvania.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: That's old you guys are doing with the PA Sites
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: program to the thirty nine million. Yeah, yeah, that's why.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: So that will help with a lot of the jobs
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: that you're talking about. There will be more jobs for
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: those people who didn't be Yeah.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, So we put a half a billion dollars aside
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: to take these old abandoned coal mines and these old
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: industrial sites where nothing's been going on for forty or
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: fifty years. I was just standing on one of those
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: sites in Archbald, Pennsylvania, which is like near Scranton in
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: northeastern Pennsylvania, and for a few tens of millions of dollars,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: we're going to turn that into a place that's going
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: to thousands of construction jobs and over one thousand permanent jobs.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: When I was having CEOs come and say, hey, we
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: want to come to Pennsylvania, show us the sites where
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: we can build our box our building, like we don't
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: have any now we have them. And so when you
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: do that, you really turn this dirt into freedom and
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: opportunity and you build these sites that are going to
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: employ thousands of people. This is a big deal, especially
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: in communities that have been hollowed out and left behind,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: primarily in rural parts of my state that have just
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: been ignored for so long. And I think is really
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: important that these people growing up in these communities see
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: opportunity for their kids, and I'm working really hard to
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: do that in this sites program. So developing these grounds
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: for companies that want to come in and do business
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: is a really critical part of that.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: It's got a few more questions for you. Thank you
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: for your time, but sure, what's your message to people
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: future voters in particular, who feel like every politician Democrat
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: are Republican is bought.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Look at my record and focus on the three letters
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: that I focus on every day, GSD, get shit done.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: That is my motto every day. Look, I can't please
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: all the people all the time. I can't say that
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: every single pennsylvani is going to have the same worldview
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I have agreed with me on every issue. But if
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I can put points on the board for them every day.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: If I can show them that their kid got help
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: health care, that the building got built, that the job
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: was available to them, like real things, that is what
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: we need more of in government, where people see tangible results. Look,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons why poll after poll
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: after poll shows across this country people are down. They
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: think we're heading in the wrong direction. They're pessimistic. I
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: think in part it's because they view government is actually
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: not solving problems anymore. One of the things I thought
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: was amazing was after we fixed nine ninety five, Member
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I ninety five collapsed and the experts said it was
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: going to take months to rebuild. We got it rebuilt
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: with the amazing Philadelphia building trades in just twelve days.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: The number of.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: People came over to me and said, man, I don't
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: drive on nine ninety five, but that was amazing that
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: government can still do something like that. I think people
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: have grown so hopeless and so down, and so to
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: me is someone who actually believes government can be a
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: force for good in people's lives. If I can show
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: my work, put points on the board, get shit done
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: for them every day, even if they disagree with me
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: on some issue here there, They're at least going to
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: know I'm fighting for them, getting stuff done for them,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: and that is what I think we need more of
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: in government.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Is it possible for an elected official to get a
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: million of dollars from you know, corporate donors or even
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: lobbying interested and still really work for the people over
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: those Yeah.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Look, I mean you've asked me a few questions on that,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: and clearly I know you're bothered by that. I think
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: we're all bothered by the amount of money in politics,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: particularly the dark money that nobody kind of knows where
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: it's coming from. But I think you know, largely the voters.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: I'll just speak to Pennsylvania. They're smart, they know who's
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: on their side. They see it. I got voters who
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: sometimes show up and vote for Republicans, sometimes vote for Democrats.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: They get it. I think that dark money can pollute,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: it sometimes can crowd out the voices sometimes, but overall,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I think voters are a lot smarter and they could
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: see through that when the.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Last time you told a donor no, even though it
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: costs you politically.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: That's happened many times in my career, and I'm not
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: suggesting anything unethical or illegal, or the donor was trying
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: to do anything unethical or illegal. But yeah, I've had them,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes say to me, well, I would I
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: believe in this and that and the other thing, And
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I'll say, look, you know what, keep your money. I'm
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: happy to be your friend, but I don't believe in that,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: and I'm not going to do that. And again, nothing
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: wrong or unethical or illegal. But they've got a different
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: view on things than I do. And frankly, I'm not
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: interested in, you know, having their support if you know,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: we're going to look at things differently on those fronts.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, honestly, I don't have a problem with
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: people taking the money. It's just that when you take
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: the money and you're beholden to them' That's what I
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: would tell elected officials. You don't have to be beholden
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: to them.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Look, I feel blessed. I've got a whole lot of
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: people who have invested in my campaigns over time. By
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: the way, I'm sure some of them don't agree with
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: some of the things that I stand for, but they
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: believe in in my approach to governing and the work
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to do to help other people, and I
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: feel has to have their support. But I can tell
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: you there's there's not one donor or one group or
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: whatever that I go Oh man, I got to please them.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to do something that I disagree with.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't be able to live with myself.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: People are going to people will always assume it's APEC
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: though APAK is the boogeyman in all.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Of It's code for a lot. Yeah, and it's what
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I said to you before and again, you know, I
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: mean this with respect. I think in some ways it's
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: a lazy shortcut. I think it's more important that folks
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: are being forced to answer questions about what they see
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: as necessary for that region or on that topic, or
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: on that that issue.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just wonder if it's something that politicians are
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: going to have to continue to explain in the future.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, So that is that is fair. I think if
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: you're a politician and you take a dollar from someone,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: you need to be able to justify taking that dollar.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: And the justification could be, hey, look, they invested in
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: my campaign. Doesn't mean I agree with them on every issue.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: A lot of people invest in the campaign, right, I mean,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I think that the burden is on the elected official
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: or the candidate running for office on that front, for sure,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I think that's fair. But I think to just kind
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: of presuppose, well, took a dollar from Charlie Mane, you
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: must agree with everything Charla Maine thinks. I don't think
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: that's fair, And that's.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: What people want. People want to make sure that they
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: want you to ensure them that just because you took
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: money from these lobby groups, that these lobby groups don't
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: have the influence over your decision making. I think.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Look, one of the things that I appreciate so much
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: about how the people Pennsylvania view me, and we see
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: this in elections and polls after polls, that they see
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: me as being an independent voice and being someone on
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: their side. And I'm proud of that.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: That's what it is. I know.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: You have one last question.
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I just saw that they made an arrest
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: yesterday in the Cada Scott, the missing girl in Philadelphia.
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: Are you familiar with the story. I just wanted to
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: know because it seems like they're the police that are
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: having issues with locate I mean, she's still missing, but
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: they don't have anything that they're tracing, like no cell phone,
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: no anything. Do you guys bring in additional resources there,
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: because I'm so so Kaida Scott as a young woman.
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: She's twenty three. She went young black women went missing
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: in Philadelphia from work. She was being a harassed via
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: phone by someone. Prior to that, she told her parents.
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: Now she's missing. She's been missing for some time. They
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: just made an arrest in the case, a young man,
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: but they haven't told us what the tie to him
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: is in the case. But it seems like though they're
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: having issues with finding like her footsteps leading up to that,
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: like cell phone, anything, or just whereabouts whatsoever.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get ahead of the police on this.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: It is an awful, awful case and just my prayers
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: go out to her family. I can tell you that
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: the Pennsylvania State Police, which I ever see through through
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: our State Police Commissioner, we work very closely with local authorities,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: including the Philadelphia Police and the Philadelfia Police, are outstanding
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: in these cases and I've confidence that they'll get to
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: the bottom of it. Our technology, our unique know how,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: the tool we have to solve these kinds of cases
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: are always brought to bear to work with our municipal
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: partners to make sure that we address crime in our communities.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is an awful case, and hopefully they'll
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: get to the bottom of it. I would also just
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: caution you, you know, I mean disrespectful to you and
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: anyone in the media. There are lots of cases where
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: we can't share all the information with the media as
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: we're working them, because sometimes you don't want something to
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: come out at first. Ultimately, you know, you provide that
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: transparency when the case is sort of closed. But we're
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: kind of still in the midst of this one right now,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: and so I think, you know, not everything is being shared.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: But I got a lot of faith in the Philadelphia Police,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: and I can tell you that the Pennsylvania State Police
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: is always get They're ready to support them in every
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: other municipal department.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: I got one last question. You got a sixty two
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: percent approval rate, right? How do you measure success by
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: polling numbers? Are lives changed? Oh?
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Lives changed? And look for as for as wonderful it
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: is to have a sixty two percent approval rating in
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: the toughest state in the country to run in, I
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: still rely not on the data that you cite, but
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: the feel I get from people, whether on their farms
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: and you know, downtown in you know, Pittsburgh, Center City, Philly,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: walking down the street, having someone stop me and go
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: yogav and talk to me about something. That's where I
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: get my feel from. And you know, I measure it
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: in terms of what people tell me they want done
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: and going out and doing it and the people's lives
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: I touch along the way. I gotta tell you, I mean,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: for me, the motivation is not seeing a poll like that.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: It's when someone says, hey, Gov, five years ago, I
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: reached out to you, and you know you were Returney
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: General back then, but you took on my case and
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: you helped me get you know, get back my money
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: after someone tried to scam me. That's the stuff that
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: fills up my cup. And you know, it kind of
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: goes back to the first question, or one of the
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: first questions you asked, you know, why do you do this?
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: And what happens if your kids told you not to
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: do it. I'm one of these people that is motivated
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: by helping others, and I do. I do get fulfillment
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: from people telling me I made their lives better, and
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: and there's there's just an extraordinary feeling that you get
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: from that. It's it's how I was raised, It's what
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: my faith has taught me, and and that is what
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: motivates me. Not you know, numbers in a poll. I'm
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: grateful for that support, but knowing I changed someone's life,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: knowing I made it better, and and and pursuing the
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: next thing and the next thing and the next thing.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: That's gonna help my communities out.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: You know, a life that h that that governor shaperial
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: change that he doesn't talk about is Wallow. He's the
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: one who pardoned Wallow. What made you want to pardon Wallow?
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I think there are people out there who had one
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: bad day, or in Wallow's case, had a few bad days.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Let's let's be real, and there are those that don't
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: learn from that, and they end up living sad and
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: tragic lives, oftentimes in jail or in places that are
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: dangerous for them. And then there are other people. And
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: while it's a great example that he happens to be famous,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: so you know about him, but there's a whole lot
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: of people who aren't famous who do this, who learn
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: from that bad day who learn from those bad decisions,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: and they not only turn their lives around for themselves,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: but they then make a difference for others. And those
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: are the people that I try to find. Those are
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: the people whose cases I want to come across my
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: desk so I can fix my signature to a pardon
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: for them. That is an enormous power that a governor
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: has to be able to sign your name and wipe
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: away someone's bad deeds and give them an opportunity in
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: life again. And I will tell you I take that
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: power really, really seriously. Wallow Earn that he earned the
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: right to have his case come across my desk, and
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: he earned my signature because of the way in which
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: he's lived his life and help make other lives better.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: The way he's helped other people get back on the
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: right track, the way he's helped other people achieve prosperity
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: for them and their families. The way he's I think,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: in many ways changed an industry, whether it's music or
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: the kind of influencer industry or what have you. I mean,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: he's done extraordinary things, and I'm proud of him. And
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what else I told him. I don't
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: think he'd mind me sharing this. And I've said this
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: to others who we've given second chances to, including those
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: who have granted clemency to, which means letting them out
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: of jail even though they're facing a life sentence. I
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: tell them, don't screw up, because you are now an
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: example to others. I said that to Meek. I've said
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: that to a number of folks. You now have an
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: enormous power to do good in the world, but you're
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: also an example, and you've got an awesome amount of
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: pressure and responsibility on you, and so live your life
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: in a way where you acknowledge that pressure, you acknowledge
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: that responsibility. And man, while I has done that, and
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: I'm really really proud of them, and I try and
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: check in on him every so often, and checking on
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: others who I've issued pardons to or clemency's too, just
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: to see how they're doing.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: Help me too. Yeah, yeah, but he didn't want to
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: be on the helicopter. He didn't want to do no
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: photo ops or anything.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: He's like, Nope, no, because that's not what it's about.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: This isn't about me being able to stand next to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Meek or Wallow and you know some press thing. This
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: is about knowing that they did the hard work to
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: get their lives back together. And I've got this unique
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: power for this moment in time as governor where I
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: can give them some extra help. But with that comes
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: a responsibility and they've got to own up to their
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: end of the bargain. And they are.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: The way you are is how the spirit of so
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: many other people in government should be. Like just the
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: spirit I get from you in this conversation, like you
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: absolutely there's a genuine care for people to end up well.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: I agree, and that you don't feel that all the time.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: Hopefully, Thank you. I hope we've got free and fair
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: elections in twenty twenty eight. Now you can be in
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: the mix.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: They hope they get it right.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: We're going to work to make sure we got free
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: and fair elections.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: His governant, jos Shapperio. Thank you so much.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Thanks guys always, and we'll see we're out. We're out.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: We'll see you in another week to too.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: I look forward to Thank you, Philly. Is that we're
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: just gonna leave it there. Listen, you want to do this,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: we can do this, Okay. I think you guys are
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: exciting Jackson Dart is seemingly pretty good. Scataboo is pretty
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: pretty good. You lost you lost U neighbor, Milik neighbors unfortunately. Uh.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: But you cannot over a long season hang with the Eagles.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: You just can't. You just can't. I can pray, you
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: can pray all you want, but you ain't gonna be
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: able to do it over a long season. But they
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: are a team now seemingly on the upswing, which I
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: think is uh is a good thing. And and look,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: the Birds have stumbled a little bit over the last
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks, but we'll get it back together, all right.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Championship team right there.
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  Speaker 4: Governor Josh Appio is the Breakfast Club. Good morning, wake
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: that ass up in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: The Breakfast three