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Cubs news and notes plus the “Mount Rushmore of Cubs pitchers” · North Side Territory: A Chicago Cubs Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your
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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick. After sweeping
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Speaker 1: Theis in Anaheim, the Cubs, I think we said it
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Speaker 1: on our first episode, we weren't quite sure if that
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Speaker 1: offense was back. It doesn't look like it is after
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Speaker 1: dropping the first two in San Francisco. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: not just Kyle Tucker. Kyle Tucker has had a couple
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Speaker 1: of hits in San Francisco. They've had they just haven't
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Speaker 1: come up with the big I think I think when
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Speaker 1: what day was it? Wednesday night? Uh, it was just
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Speaker 1: kind of prototypical about how things are going. Uh.
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Speaker 2: I mean the pitching didn't show up on Wednesday. Colin
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Speaker 2: Ray wasn't good. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Those two double plays with the bases loaded, I mean
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Speaker 1: those it just felt like once that second one happened,
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Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, you can't do that twice you
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Speaker 1: big time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if you were asleep back home in
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Speaker 3: the Chicago area, did not watch the Cubs game in
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Speaker 3: the past the previous two nights, you did not miss much.
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Speaker 3: It was exactly as you described early in the game,
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Speaker 3: having those opportunities to kind of break the game open
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Speaker 3: or at least put Counsel in a place to where
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Speaker 3: he could manage more aggressively or differently, to not have
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Speaker 3: Reese Maguire the backup catcher pitching in the eighth inning.
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Speaker 3: That's kind of where Wednesday Night's game devolved towards. And yeah,
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Speaker 3: I mean Anaheim Angel Stadium, Tucker PCA, not just because
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Speaker 3: they won, but it was just just kind of more newsy,
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Speaker 3: the games are more interesting. Stuff was happening. Kyle Hendrick's pitching.
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Speaker 3: San Francisco's felt a little sleepier, and we're recording before
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Speaker 3: showed it at Managa Pitches on Thursday, and that was
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Speaker 3: pretty much the answer in Wednesday Night's clubhouse was like, well,
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Speaker 3: we got showed to going tomorrow. We'll see you know,
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Speaker 3: so things things could change in that regard, But also
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Speaker 3: missed opportunity as well with the Brewers losing Wednesday night,
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Speaker 3: and there aren't that many losses you can build in
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Speaker 3: if you're going to track them down.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you I mean, if you want to track them down,
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Speaker 1: you have to capitalize on every opportunity. I go back
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Speaker 1: to the Reese Maguire grants lamb on Saturday, and exactly,
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't look at I don't think momentum
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Speaker 1: is a thing or trends are a thing in baseball,
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Speaker 1: like from day to day, like you never know what
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Speaker 1: could change day to day. But but like the momentum
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Speaker 1: of a game matters. So when you when you hit
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Speaker 1: that grand slam, that makes a two to zero game
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Speaker 1: a six to zero game, and you just it feels
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Speaker 1: very different obviously, Uh, just a base hit in one
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Speaker 1: of those situations Wednesday night, just one with the bases loaded,
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Speaker 1: and the game suddenly feels differently.
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Speaker 2: Maybe Colin Ray's thinking a little differently. I did have it.
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Speaker 1: I didn't love this series just because they played a
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Speaker 1: good series against the Brewers. The Giants did and I
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Speaker 1: and when you have a player like Raphael Devers, you
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Speaker 1: just don't know when he's going to have a good series.
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Speaker 2: You just don't know.
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Speaker 1: I know he's been inconsistent this year, he hasn't been
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Speaker 1: himself this year. It doesn't seem like especially with San Francisco,
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Speaker 1: but you just know that that guy can turn it
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Speaker 1: out at any time. It's kind of like Kyle Tucker.
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Speaker 1: You can say like, oh, he's been something for a month, okay,
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Speaker 1: but then he has a weekend like you did in Anaheim.
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Speaker 1: So I just don't you know, the Giants aren't playing
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Speaker 1: great baseball overall this season.
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Speaker 2: They've disappointed.
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Speaker 1: They're just not a team like Anaheim or even this
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Speaker 1: weekend in Colorado where you can say like, they're just
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Speaker 1: not good. It's not that they're not talented, it's not
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Speaker 1: they just they haven't been playing great. There still can
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Speaker 1: be a problem, and then you can.
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Speaker 2: Talk about showda going.
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Speaker 1: But they got unless something changed, Logan Webs.
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Speaker 3: Got right, that was that was omitted. But you're right though.
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Speaker 3: I mean I walked into the Giants clubhouse on Wednesday
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Speaker 3: trying to work on a couple different things, and you
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Speaker 3: you look around and there are some really accomplished individual players.
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Speaker 3: I mean, a certain future Hall of Famer Justin Verlander,
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Speaker 3: Matt Chapman walking through the room, Willie Damas. Like obviously
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Speaker 3: Logan web pitching, you had circled this series, I feel
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Speaker 3: like a while back, and just the diverse factor of like,
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Speaker 3: if this guy goes off, is going to be really
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Speaker 3: hard to win a series on the road and it's
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Speaker 3: basically impossible when you don't get good pitching, and you know,
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Speaker 3: we're not sounding the alarm bells on Matthew Boyd yet
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Speaker 3: and Colin Ray has been way better than the Cubs
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Speaker 3: could have hoped for. But yeah, back to back nights,
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Speaker 3: the pitching was not as sharp, and when that happens,
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Speaker 3: you just don't really have a chance.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of angst among Cubs fans.
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Speaker 2: I understand it.
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Speaker 1: We were going to do a mailbag episode that'll be
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Speaker 1: up on Friday, so we'll we'll answer a lot of
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Speaker 1: your angsty questions. I think I think there are some
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Speaker 1: fair questions. I think there are some things. It's going
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Speaker 1: through these questions. It's very interesting what people think are
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Speaker 1: the problems and and what they're absolutely sure of as
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Speaker 1: far as who's been bad and who's been good. It's
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Speaker 1: just interesting what we see a Carson Kelly double play
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Speaker 1: and assume he's been terrible all the month there. But
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Speaker 1: but there are some things that I'm curious about and
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Speaker 1: I and we will address it. But I do think
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Speaker 1: Matt Shaw batting ninth is you know, how long are
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Speaker 1: we going to do that? How long is Greig Council
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Speaker 1: comfortable with that. I get it. He needs to he
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Speaker 1: needs to feel comfortable and he needs to like thrive
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Speaker 1: wherever he's hitting. But my guess is Matt Shaw is
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Speaker 1: confident enough to be moved up. We'll we'll address that
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Speaker 1: in a little bit. You know, I don't want to
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Speaker 1: take the thunder away from our mail bag episode, but
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Speaker 1: fans are up in arms right now, and it's interesting
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Speaker 1: how quickly it swings. Three games in Anaheim, we're talking
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Speaker 1: about the division again, three days later and suddenly everything's
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Speaker 1: a mess.
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Speaker 3: And you can add to that uncertainty Jamison Tyne's growing injury.
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Speaker 3: He will be going on the injured list and replaced
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Speaker 3: by Javier assad And I wrote about that in San
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Speaker 3: Francisco just because I thought it was interesting how it
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Speaker 3: was presented and how openly Tyne was talking about the playoffs,
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Speaker 3: and that essentially the quote was this is how it
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Speaker 3: was presented to me that if it were up to him,
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Speaker 3: I think he'd be starting this weekend at cors Field.
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Speaker 3: But this is someone who's had a fairly extensive injury history.
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Speaker 3: He has had a recent injury issue just this summer
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Speaker 3: that cost him almost two months more or less, and
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Speaker 3: they have a sod who is a very capable major
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Speaker 3: league starter, and to hear counsels say things like I
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Speaker 3: think he could pitch, I don't think it'll be smart
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Speaker 3: to pitch. He could probably push it, This isn't the
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Speaker 3: time to push it. And then to hear tie On
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Speaker 3: talking openly about we want to be in a good
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Speaker 3: spot for October. Things like that. You know, that doesn't
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Speaker 3: really happen that often. It doesn't certainly doesn't happen really
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Speaker 3: before this point. But it felt like, Okay, the Cubs
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Speaker 3: have just under thirty games here, they know what's in
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Speaker 3: front of them. They can be pragmatic because of their
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Speaker 3: pitching depth, and also I think the Brewers lead makes
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Speaker 3: them realistic as well. And so you just got to
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Speaker 3: hope that this pitching staff continues to step up. They've
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Speaker 3: done it all year long. You just wonder how long
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Speaker 3: can they do it. I think the segment was almost
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Speaker 3: almost forty games prior. I think they have the best
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Speaker 3: rotation er and the majors and just don't know if
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Speaker 3: that's going to continue.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's going to be tough for yeah
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Speaker 2: to that.
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Speaker 1: Yeahs As far as TI owned is it, did it
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Speaker 1: sound like this is like a minimum stay. It's just
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Speaker 1: the way you were talking and the way the quotes
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Speaker 1: that I read, it seemed like this is extra caution
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Speaker 1: and like you said before October, but it I mean,
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Speaker 1: is this like a two weeks on the shelf and
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Speaker 1: he's back, is what they're thinking.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we'll see. They described it as expected to
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Speaker 3: be a minimal stint. We're talking about basically two starts.
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Speaker 3: They were working through some of the details. Tyon thought
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Speaker 3: he might go out for kind of a minor league
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Speaker 3: outing at some point, which made me think it might
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Speaker 3: be a little longer. But it was revealing too in
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Speaker 3: that Council is extremely conservative and he keeps pictures health
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Speaker 3: in mind all the time. I think that's why he
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Speaker 3: gets a lot out of his pictures, not just kind
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Speaker 3: of production wise, but also in terms of buy in
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Speaker 3: and trust. And so we'll see. Tyon made it sound
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Speaker 3: like this is kind of a minorish thing, something that
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Speaker 3: could be pushed through, something he could deal with if
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Speaker 3: the playoffs were going on right now. But we'll just
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Speaker 3: have to see. I think everyone knows in these sort
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Speaker 3: of situations, things pop up, things move in different directions.
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Speaker 3: We'll just have to wait and see.
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Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, let's take a quick break and come
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Speaker 1: six schedule that just came out.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Patrick, we had the twenty twenty six schedule come
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Speaker 1: out earlier this week. No Japan trip, no no what's
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Speaker 1: called the Field of Dreams game, no London trip, nothing
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Speaker 1: crazy this year, So there's no no dates to circle
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Speaker 1: and say, this is it. This is the big thing
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Speaker 1: everyone's focusing on. Frankly, I liked that let's stress about
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Speaker 1: our budget and where we'll be. But but I know
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Speaker 1: fans enjoy those those fun trips. I mean, it's only
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Speaker 1: been since twenty twenty three, but it feels like it's
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Speaker 1: been a while since they opened it home and what
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Speaker 1: a weird opening homestand with the Nationals and Angels.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I try not to complain about schedules and balanced schedules
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Speaker 1: and things like that, but I'm starting to wonder if
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Speaker 1: if this, you know, a very balanced schedule is kind
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Speaker 1: of boring and lead leads to stuff that I'm just like, really,
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Speaker 1: they're opening against the Nationals and then the Angels come
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Speaker 1: to town like in April, and at like March and
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Speaker 1: April and Chicago, Like this sounds terrible.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously, when the schedule comes out, I
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Speaker 3: think we look at it for selfish reasons of like, oh,
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Speaker 3: which trip you want to take and which cities and
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Speaker 3: the timing of all that. But after this year's opening schedule,
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Speaker 3: which is just like a gauntlet, obviously think a lot
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Speaker 3: will change during the off season. We'll see how teams
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Speaker 3: improve via trades and free agency. But it it looks
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Speaker 3: like a little bit of a soft landing there. I mean,
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Speaker 3: when you get Nationals Angels on the road to Cleveland,
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Speaker 3: then Tampa Pittsburgh comes in. Obviously the back half there
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Speaker 3: gets harder Phillies, Mets Phillies, Dodgers, Padres. But it after
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Speaker 3: getting the spring training and spending so much time like
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Speaker 3: working on Japan angles and listening to so many japan
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Speaker 3: questions and stuff like that, Like that, taking that off
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Speaker 3: the table makes this seem just a lot more manageable
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Speaker 3: from the club side. And then that you look for
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Speaker 3: kind of those like killer road trips in terms of
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Speaker 3: could sink a season, And they only have one three
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Speaker 3: city road trip and it ends on the South Side
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Speaker 3: against the White Sox, and it's really may like it
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Speaker 3: seems like it's set up pretty well for them, at
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Speaker 3: least compared to the beginning of this season, because I
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Speaker 3: think we both were looking at this like this could
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Speaker 3: like they need to you get off to a good start,
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Speaker 3: they need to at least tread water, because it felt
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Speaker 3: like it was just like they're going to be facing
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Speaker 3: like playoff caliber starters and bullpens over and over and again.
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Speaker 3: And to their credit, they answered the bell there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah this, I mean, really looking at the schedule, there's
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Speaker 1: just not any long stretches of play, you know, rain
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Speaker 1: outs and everything will change that, you know, the end
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Speaker 1: of April into May looks a little daunting.
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Speaker 2: But like you said that, like I.
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Speaker 1: Can't remember a season where there's just one three city
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Speaker 1: trip and this three city trip ends in Chicago.
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Speaker 3: What they do and they don't go west?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like they have two West coast trips and
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Speaker 1: their two city trips. I've never seen this before, Like
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Speaker 1: I feel like usually almost always there's one three city
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Speaker 1: West coast trip. Sometimes there's two three city West Coast trips.
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Speaker 1: So this is this sets up nicely. We don't know what,
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Speaker 1: you know, We're not going to spend this whole segment
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Speaker 1: talking about whether Kyle Tucker is on this team or not.
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Speaker 1: But we don't know what this lineup looks like. We
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Speaker 1: don't know what the team looks like. But just looking
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Speaker 1: at when you think of travel and when you think
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Speaker 1: of the types of non baseball things that can that
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Speaker 1: can impact you, think about go back to twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 1: that the end of that season was really hectic.
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Speaker 2: That had to do with rain as well.
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Speaker 1: I believe there was a hurricane that that really screwed
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Speaker 1: up travel and everything and that impact that that was
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Speaker 1: a huge impact, and we just don't know how much
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Speaker 1: it changed the course of that season. But it's hard
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Speaker 1: to look back at that stretch of play and just
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Speaker 1: say like, oh, it didn't do anything to them right
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Speaker 1: now on like just looking at it without the rainouts
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Speaker 1: and everything factored in, it doesn't look like they have
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Speaker 1: anything crazy that they have to deal with. No weird travel,
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Speaker 1: no extensive travel. For me, if you're a fan, I
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Speaker 1: think the probably the fun trip is Boston to end
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Speaker 1: the season, or Seattle, Arizona. There's no like multi city trippery, like, oh,
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Speaker 1: every single one of those is great.
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Speaker 2: Maybe La San Diego, but.
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Speaker 1: Seattle is always a destination in Boston. I feel like
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Speaker 1: our destinations, so those are the two series and the
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Speaker 1: end the season Boston.
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Speaker 2: That's kind of cool.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the trip I am currently on, it's
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Speaker 3: in reverse next year of Colorado seven Cisco in the
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Speaker 3: middle of June there. I think that's one A lot
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Speaker 3: of Cubs sins would circle or they're just already kind
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Speaker 3: of in the Denver area or the Bay area. But
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Speaker 3: that's something as you know, doing this job, like Cubs
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Speaker 3: fans are everywhere, the WGN effect, all the Chicago people
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Speaker 3: who've moved across the country or just watched the Cubs
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Speaker 3: on TV, like they are everywhere. I mean I also
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Speaker 3: look at it too, of like when Interleague was more staggered.
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Speaker 3: I felt like when the Yankees would come to Wrigley Field,
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Speaker 3: it was like a huge deal, or if the Red
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Speaker 3: Sox came in, it was like, oh my god, like
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Speaker 3: everyone was kind of planning for that. I think some
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Speaker 3: of that shine has been lost. I mean, they'll obviously,
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Speaker 3: I mean, the Cubs will get forty thousand when they're
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Speaker 3: playing the Pirates on a Saturday in August, so it
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Speaker 3: doesn't matter. So like there'll be a huge crowds at
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Speaker 3: Yankee stadium, but in the Yankees coming to Wrigley Field
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Speaker 3: next August. But in terms of an event, I think
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Speaker 3: it's lessened somewhat. You would hope the Cubs in Red
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Speaker 3: Sox still have something to play for at the end
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Speaker 3: of September. That either there you want them either already
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Speaker 3: clinched and set up or already eliminated and out of it.
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Speaker 3: I guess the other September thing for me was six
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Speaker 3: games against the Brewers in nine days in early September.
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Speaker 3: This is your first chance to write off the twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty six Brewers, saying how you don't think they're that good.
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Speaker 6: But when free agents they probably trade Freddy Peralta whoever
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Speaker 6: they trade pretty per Alta for like either hits three hundred,
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Speaker 6: it's multiple crucial, uh.
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Speaker 2: You know, game winning hits against the Cubs.
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Speaker 1: And the reliever that they pay Cup that's thirty six
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Speaker 1: and never had a good season dominates. I refuse to
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Speaker 1: write them off never again. I just I should just
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Speaker 1: you know, write and pen every year going forward.
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Speaker 2: N L Central Champs Milwaukee Brewers.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what their offseason looks like, how good
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Speaker 1: it looks on paper. We know what they'll they'll end
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Speaker 1: up doing. I always think Fenway is a fun trip.
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Speaker 1: I do agree with you, it's a little weird. It's
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Speaker 1: a little weird to have it at the end of
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Speaker 1: the season. I hope it does mean something, but I
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Speaker 1: guess there's a good chance it won't at that point
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Speaker 1: in the season. But Fenway and for me Seattle are
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Speaker 1: always fun trips. We'll see how interesting the actual season is.
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Speaker 1: Tommy hot Toby brought up something interesting. Kyle Hendricks pitching
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Speaker 1: against the Cubs, uh for the first time always, I mean,
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Speaker 1: just one of the best guys we've ever covered for sure. Uh,
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Speaker 1: us what what Tommy kind of said and kind of
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Speaker 1: sparked this idea.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was kind of a back and forth on Friday,
22:36
Speaker 3: that last Friday, that first day in Anaheim for the club,
22:42
Speaker 3: and Kyle did some media in the interview room and
22:47
Speaker 3: then he of course mentioned Tommy hotteby and then uh,
22:53
Speaker 3: how to become out of the field. Just spoke with
22:55
Speaker 3: a couple of us, and one of the things he
22:58
Speaker 3: brought up was, quote, he's on my Mount rushmore of
23:03
Speaker 3: Cubs pitchers, And you know, I love that phrasing just
23:11
Speaker 3: because it definitely gets people riled up one way or
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Speaker 3: the other. And you know, the cases pretty strong. I
23:22
Speaker 3: don't know how you could keep him off of it
23:25
Speaker 3: when you talk about just the moments. So the two
23:30
Speaker 3: of the biggest games in franchise, definitely the biggest game
23:32
Speaker 3: franchise history, starting that one and performing very well, though
23:38
Speaker 3: his role in it, you know, became sort of overshadowed
23:41
Speaker 3: by Joe MADD's decision to pull him early and all
23:43
Speaker 3: the crazy stuff that happened into the night and into
23:47
Speaker 3: the early morning there in Cleveland. But I mean that
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Speaker 3: game against the Dodgers when they won their first pennant
23:54
Speaker 3: in was it seventy one years something like that, A
23:59
Speaker 3: very very long long time.
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Speaker 2: Seventy one That makes sense.
24:03
Speaker 3: To do that against, you know, a future Hall of
24:09
Speaker 3: Famer in Clayton Kershaw. That's the kind of historical context
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Speaker 3: and his longevity, his numbers. When you go to like
24:21
Speaker 3: Cubs dot Com and look at all time leaders, like
24:24
Speaker 3: he is up there for a franchise that you know,
24:27
Speaker 3: opened in eighteen seventy six, so he has that. And
24:31
Speaker 3: then obviously just the person he is, not that you
24:35
Speaker 3: do it off of someone you know, being gracious, but
24:39
Speaker 3: just an absolute teammate, Just an extremely intelligent, hardworking individual,
24:52
Speaker 3: beloved by teammates, beloved by fans like I don't think
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Speaker 3: you can put four pitch sure's ahead of him when
25:01
Speaker 3: you kind of tell the story of the Cubs and
25:04
Speaker 3: there's a little bit of recency bias there, but just
25:06
Speaker 3: the impact, the enormity of those moments when he came through.
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Speaker 3: I think I'm with hot of you on this one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
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Speaker 1: You know, it'd be tough to leave him off that
25:18
Speaker 1: Dodgers game, that game six, if I'm unless I'm changing
25:23
Speaker 1: history here. They faced twenty seven batters between him and Chapman, right,
25:28
Speaker 1: there were a couple of double plays that that might
25:30
Speaker 1: maybe even a pickoff. It was it was just one
25:35
Speaker 1: of those outings where it's where it's like, how's this
25:38
Speaker 1: guy doing it? That season for Kyle Hendrix was how
25:41
Speaker 1: is this guy doing it?
25:42
Speaker 2: Uh? For me, just watching him do that and and.
25:47
Speaker 1: Not in an era when strikeouts were everything for pitchers.
25:51
Speaker 1: It really ramped up around that time how important strikeouts were.
25:55
Speaker 2: And he's just not a strikeout guy. He was a
25:59
Speaker 2: guy that always got the results in the minors and
26:04
Speaker 2: talking to scouts, talking to people around the game. They
26:07
Speaker 2: were fine with him. They thought he would be fine.
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Speaker 1: Nobody expected this, Nobody expected what he became, the stretch
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Speaker 1: that he had among the best eras in baseball for
26:18
Speaker 1: a period of time, you know, up there with Hall
26:21
Speaker 1: of famers like Sure's er Kershaw, granky guys that are
26:25
Speaker 1: going to be in the Hall of Fame. Just just
26:29
Speaker 1: really impressive numbers for a long period of time, super
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Speaker 1: consistent and just like you said, great teammate, great guy
26:36
Speaker 1: to be around, easy to talk to. You know, I
26:40
Speaker 1: think if you're going then tarty of Cubs organization. I
26:46
Speaker 1: mean Ferdy Jenkins is the first one there. And then
26:50
Speaker 1: you just go through debates, right like are you gonna
26:53
Speaker 1: go put like a guy like I don't know anything
26:55
Speaker 1: about three Finger Mortar Kai Brown other than his name.
26:59
Speaker 2: Then like after that.
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Speaker 3: I mean he has a boutique cocktail bar at the
27:04
Speaker 3: hotel's ACME. I mean, what else could you possibly want
27:08
Speaker 3: in terms of a legacy.
27:10
Speaker 1: And then then there's like Rick Suckliffe, Carrie Wood, John Lester,
27:17
Speaker 1: Jake Arietta. I don't know where you want to put
27:20
Speaker 1: these guys and who else goes on that list. I
27:24
Speaker 1: feel like Kyle Hendricks, Fergie Jenkins probably I didn't even
27:28
Speaker 1: say Greg Maddox.
27:29
Speaker 3: Like he's got to go on there, even if like
27:32
Speaker 3: he's a symbol of like organizational incompetence and like one
27:36
Speaker 3: of the worst, you know, bungled negotiations. Ever, I think
27:42
Speaker 3: ultimately people think of him more with the Braves, even
27:45
Speaker 3: though he was a homegrown cub. Yeah, I think it's Fergie,
27:49
Speaker 3: of course, Maddox just because this is where he started
27:53
Speaker 3: and he came back and you know, he clearly has
27:56
Speaker 3: you know, very it is to their credit that they
27:59
Speaker 3: were able to mend that relationship, and like he still
28:02
Speaker 3: seems to it was just such a legendary figure. I
28:06
Speaker 3: think he's got to go there, Hendrix. And then fourth,
28:09
Speaker 3: I would probably go John Lester, but I'm curious, see
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Speaker 3: what you'd said.
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Speaker 1: I I think I I agree with you on that,
28:16
Speaker 1: and then I start I would think about, like, you know,
28:21
Speaker 1: does matics not go on there?
28:22
Speaker 2: And you put Sutcliffe on.
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Speaker 1: There or uh, but for like, I think I'd lean
28:28
Speaker 1: back to just going, yeah, you have to have Maddix
28:31
Speaker 1: on there. He's one of the greatest pictures of all time.
28:34
Speaker 1: I think the interesting debate would be Jake Arietta, for
28:37
Speaker 1: that stretch that he had. Is that good enough to
28:39
Speaker 1: put him on there? Just for that stretch? I think
28:43
Speaker 1: the end of his time is second stint with the
28:46
Speaker 1: Cubs was so bad that maybe you say, you know,
28:50
Speaker 1: that's enough to say, like, Okay, this debate isn't worth having.
28:54
Speaker 1: Those are the two names. Rick Suckliffe and Arieta. Carrie
28:57
Speaker 1: Wood has a moment. If we're doing Moment Hall like
29:00
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore, Carrie Woods on there. He has one of
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Speaker 1: the greatest games ever pitched, period and he did it
29:08
Speaker 1: in the Cub's uniform as a rookie. It's like one
29:11
Speaker 1: of those unforgettable moments. You know, career marred by injuries
29:17
Speaker 1: and and you know he's a he's a great Cub.
29:19
Speaker 1: It just it's hard to put him on that on
29:22
Speaker 1: that list. Other than that, I mean, there are names
29:26
Speaker 1: that I'm just not super familiar with, like Rick.
29:29
Speaker 2: I mean, I know who Rick Rushell is right.
29:32
Speaker 1: I just didn't, you know, watch him pitch you know
29:36
Speaker 1: the rest of these, I mean, Carlos and Browno is
29:38
Speaker 1: a great name to put on that list. Ken Holtzman,
29:43
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you know, these are the names
29:46
Speaker 1: that I think of, but like that they're not I
29:50
Speaker 1: think I think you have the right list. I think
29:52
Speaker 1: that's like, as much as I debate it, some of
29:56
Speaker 1: those names, I think ultimately that's those are the four
29:59
Speaker 1: I would go with. And I like these debates. I
30:03
Speaker 1: like thinking about it. And it was fun to see
30:06
Speaker 1: Kyle Hendrix out there and.
30:08
Speaker 2: Kind of do it.
30:09
Speaker 1: Like we didn't really talk about this, but he kind
30:12
Speaker 1: of pitched like he always does. He didn't he wasn't
30:14
Speaker 1: you know, like there wasn't any dominance or anything like that.
30:17
Speaker 1: It wasn't twenty sixteen version of Hendrix, but it was
30:20
Speaker 1: the guy that just kind of gets by and it's
30:22
Speaker 1: like wait, you look up and it's like, oh, he
30:24
Speaker 1: had a pretty decent start. I don't remember dominating in
30:28
Speaker 1: any way, but he got the job done. Obviously the
30:31
Speaker 1: Angels didn't win, but he was solid.
30:34
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think for me, if Carlosenbrano would be more
30:40
Speaker 3: of like a mount Moore rush More of like cubby
30:43
Speaker 3: character characters.
30:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
30:46
Speaker 3: Mean because his numbers are are up there. Just didn't
30:49
Speaker 3: quite put everything together, but just as like an amazing
30:53
Speaker 3: homegrown sort of story, just a volatile character who was
30:58
Speaker 3: also extremely funny and could be very warm and just
31:04
Speaker 3: super entertaining. Like I think when you think of like
31:08
Speaker 3: the Cubs and the Cubs being this like machine circus,
31:13
Speaker 3: like he is there and a guy who produced for
31:16
Speaker 3: a very long time, and I think, Carrie, what is
31:20
Speaker 3: more one of those like Mount Rushmore of sort of
31:22
Speaker 3: like kind of what the Cubs became almost or just
31:27
Speaker 3: of like kind of the he encapsulates a lot of
31:32
Speaker 3: the Cubs experience. That was always cool how he just
31:35
Speaker 3: kind of you know, settled in the Chicago area and
31:38
Speaker 3: hearing little stories about like him being like you know,
31:42
Speaker 3: a bench coach on like youth baseball travel teams or
31:45
Speaker 3: whatever it was, like photos and stuff like that. You
31:48
Speaker 3: just see him around with someone you know who gets
31:51
Speaker 3: it and was a you know, great link I think
31:54
Speaker 3: to you know, Ron Santo and someone who really appreciated
31:58
Speaker 3: playing at Wrigley. And then yeah, after that, a lot
32:02
Speaker 3: of guys you way before our time not really modern baseball.
32:08
Speaker 3: Not gonna put them over it, but I think I
32:10
Speaker 3: think we got to got to a good place on
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Speaker 3: this one. Thank you Tommy Hottevey for programming our segment here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, appreciate it, Tommy.
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Speaker 1: All right, we'll be back with another episode, a mail
32:23
Speaker 1: bag episode episode and really let you guys vent. We'll
32:28
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32:33
Speaker 1: I think still still there's a lot of banks in
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