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#2561 - LL Cool J · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 1: I promise you.
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  Speaker 2: I believe you. We're up. I got sneaker recommendations from
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  Speaker 2: LL Cool J. I'll take that. I was wearing these Pumas.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to throw them. You said I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: incinerate them?
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  Speaker 3: You'll throw them in the incinerator.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I don't know if that's true, but I like these.
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  Speaker 3: You have no reason to believe me yet. I'll give
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  Speaker 3: you that. You have no reason to believe me.
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  Speaker 1: But when you try them, you're going to say, yo,
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  Speaker 1: your man was telling the truth.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. You'll see.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to come back on and say that.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: I promise you.
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  Speaker 2: I believe you. I'll give it a shot. I'll give
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  Speaker 2: it a shot. Well, anyway, very nice to meet you.
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  Speaker 3: Nice to meet you, too.
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  Speaker 2: I met you a long fucking time ago. Very briefly, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We were at this stupid NBC thing. It was very
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  Speaker 2: funny because you were making fun of it. It was
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  Speaker 2: some sick, you know, they do those things where they
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  Speaker 2: have all the new shows and everybody has to show up.
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  Speaker 2: It's like everyone sits down. I was at a table
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  Speaker 2: with you. Okay. And I was a nobody. This was
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  Speaker 2: like 1994. I was like, oh, shit, that's how cool
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  Speaker 2: Jay was. I was just getting, it was just still
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  Speaker 2: weird for me. to be around famous people. And I
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  Speaker 2: remember you were like, what the fuck is this? You
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  Speaker 2: were making fun of the whole thing. And I was like, God,
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  Speaker 2: I wish I could do that. Like, this guy's making
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  Speaker 2: fun of this shit. Like, you didn't give a fuck
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  Speaker 2: about it all. It was really funny.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you could never take it too serious.
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  Speaker 1: No. You know what I mean? Like, we're not, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to take it too serious. You know,
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  Speaker 1: life is good.
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  Speaker 2: Especially those kind of things where they sit down, they
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  Speaker 2: announce all the shows, and you have to clap. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they have all these... Well, you know, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going to have manners, but at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, I'm not going to take it too seriously.
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  Speaker 2: No, but you were making fun of it, and I
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  Speaker 2: was enjoying it. I was enjoying it.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny. It's funny.
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  Speaker 2: So this is like, this is the 90s. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: makes sense. This is a long, long time ago. Hell yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You've had a fucking insane career, man. I mean, when
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  Speaker 2: did you get signed? Weren't you like 17 or some shit? Like,
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  Speaker 2: how old were you when you first got your first contract?
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  Speaker 1: So, um. Sixteen.
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  Speaker 4: Sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: Sixteen.
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  Speaker 3: We started Def Jam.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Rick Rubin and Russell Simmons. Well, Rick started Def Jam, right,
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  Speaker 3: as a production company.
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  Speaker 1: Rick and Russell together formed Def Jam, the label, and
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  Speaker 1: I was the first act. The first song on Def
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  Speaker 1: Jam Productions was It's Yours by Tila Rock. And then
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  Speaker 1: from there, the label was formed because that was streetwise
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  Speaker 1: party time. And then from there, the label was formed. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the rest is history. That's incredible. Ad-Rock from
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  Speaker 1: the Beastie Boys actually programmed the beat. Rick Rubin produced it,
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  Speaker 1: and I did the mic, and here we are.
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  Speaker 2: Most people who get that successful at 16 have a
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  Speaker 2: very difficult time keeping their shit together, but you just...
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  Speaker 2: Managed to keep smiling and floating through this thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know what? You know what?
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  Speaker 3: Yo, man, you get enough bites at the apple. You
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: 16.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That was probably about 17, 18 right there.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I always could.
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  Speaker 1: Tell by my jewelry.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Wow. That was back in the boombox days.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the boombox, man.
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  Speaker 3: That was everything.
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  Speaker 1: That meant everything to me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, everybody had those back then.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: People would carry them around, walking down the street with
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  Speaker 2: their own music.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: We're in a different world now. People don't understand what
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  Speaker 2: it was like back then.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because actually, in a weird way, even though the
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  Speaker 1: world is more public, music has become more private.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, right, right.
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  Speaker 3: The world was private, but music was public.
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  Speaker 1: Back then, right?
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's like an inverted, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you, I mean... It's no exaggeration to say you're
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  Speaker 2: a pioneer because hip hop was so new back then.
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  Speaker 2: It was so new. You had like Sugarhill, which was
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  Speaker 2: in like.
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  Speaker 1: Sugarhill, Rap is the Light was 79, but I got
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  Speaker 1: into hip hop before that because I was listening to
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  Speaker 1: like Grandmaster Flash and The Furious 4 before they were
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  Speaker 1: the 5 and The Treacherous 3 and Moe and The
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  Speaker 1: Cold Crush.
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  Speaker 2: What year was that?
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  Speaker 1: That's... 75, 76, 77. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: You know, around that time. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: And I was hearing the tapes because they were circulating
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  Speaker 1: because I was in Queens. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: So the tapes were coming out of the Bronx. And
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  Speaker 1: when I was in Long Island, see, I was raised,
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  Speaker 1: I was born in Long Island. I was raised in Queens,
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  Speaker 1: but I also lived in North Babylon. And when I
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  Speaker 1: was in North Babylon, next door, there was a lot
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  Speaker 1: of foster kids who were from uptown. who were from
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  Speaker 1: the Bronx and from Brooklyn, well, Bronx and Harlem and Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 1: So I would hear all the tapes when hip-hop was emerging.
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  Speaker 1: So I was, like, you know, eight years old, and
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  Speaker 1: I was getting exposed to, like, all of the, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the newest of the new at a really young age.
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  Speaker 1: So I got, like, indoctrinated and dipped in the, baptized
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  Speaker 1: in the fire of hip-hop early.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? What a fortuitous time to
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  Speaker 2: be a kid, too. Like, it's the perfect time because
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  Speaker 2: it's all emerging around you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like when Gladwell talks about, you know, that moment,
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  Speaker 1: the tipping point, where people being born in certain places.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when he talks about being in Seattle when
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  Speaker 1: computers were, when software exploded. So I was in New
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  Speaker 1: York at that same time. It's very much in that.
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  Speaker 3: Same thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you get sprinkled with a little dust. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the man upstairs, you know, get a little sprinkle. Be
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  Speaker 1: in the right place. Got the capability. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know? And the drive and the discipline.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Stick to it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, obviously you have that. You're still in
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  Speaker 2: great shape.
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  Speaker 3: You got to be.
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  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You still keep it together.
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  Speaker 3: I do. I do.
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  Speaker 1: I've been, you know, I recently started doing jujitsu, which
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  Speaker 1: has been.
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  Speaker 2: A long time.
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  Speaker 4: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Where are you training?
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  Speaker 1: Brian Glick.
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  Speaker 2: Where's he at?
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  Speaker 3: He's in Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: And he trained under Donaher.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, great. Oh, phenomenal. Yeah, and so. That's a great lineage.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Henzo Gracie, Donaher.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so he's a.
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  Speaker 3: He's a lot of fun. Actually, my man Scott, Scott Kahn,
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  Speaker 3: you know, put me on to him.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been working. So it's very humbling. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you think you're, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: That's Glick.
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  Speaker 1: That's Glick.
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  Speaker 3: That's my teacher. Nice. And so that's a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: How long have you been doing that now?
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  Speaker 1: Not long at all. And you find out that you
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  Speaker 1: think you're a tough guy, but you're really a little
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  Speaker 1: old lady. You find out really quickly. It's so humbling. Oh, oh, oh, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're tough.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you're tough.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. You find out real quick. So I've, you know, because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when I was young, I enjoyed martial arts,
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  Speaker 1: like a little Sado karate, a little Wing Chun, a
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  Speaker 1: little each one.
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  Speaker 3: Like I like the martial arts.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 3: But this one, this is a completely different thing because,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's just, you know. You feel helpless.
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  Speaker 3: There's no question about it.
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  Speaker 1: You are helpless.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're helpless. And you don't think you are until
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  Speaker 2: you do it, and then your whole world shatters. You're like, oh, no.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a guy will put you on a closed guard
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  Speaker 3: and say, get out.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, get out.
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  Speaker 2: You're good.
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  Speaker 3: And you do everything but stand up, you know, when
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  Speaker 3: you first start. It's crazy. Yeah, so it was fun.
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  Speaker 2: It's a deep pool, too. There's a lot to learn.
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  Speaker 2: It keeps going forever and ever and ever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But that's life. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I like about life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know, because, you know, we want to maximize our potential, right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's really good for famous people to
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  Speaker 2: do something that doesn't depend at all on your personality
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  Speaker 2: or your status or your stature. I think it's good
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  Speaker 2: for your head because it's an undeniable thing. Like you
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  Speaker 2: are either good at this or you are not good
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  Speaker 2: at this. There's no charm. There's no charisma. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: I'm really charismatic.
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  Speaker 2: Let me go.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody shows up.
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  Speaker 2: They love you the moment they see you. There's none
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  Speaker 2: of that.
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  Speaker 1: You can't charisma your way out of an Americana or
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  Speaker 1: a Kimura.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's the opiate for celebrities, like this thing with
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  Speaker 2: everybody loves you and needing that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, see, here's the thing. Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a celebrity by consequence, like as a result of
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  Speaker 1: what I did. I'm not a guy who's celebrity-minded. I'm
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  Speaker 1: an artist, Joe. You know what I'm saying? I'm famous
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  Speaker 1: by default because of the things that I do have
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  Speaker 1: made me known, but I don't walk in rooms feeling famous.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great perspective. I'm an artist. That's a great perspective.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not in it for the fame thing. I'm way
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  Speaker 3: more blue-collar.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not remotely interested in hitting you with the famous,
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  Speaker 1: with the.
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  Speaker 3: Long cigarette holder and the ascot and shit. I'm so
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  Speaker 3: not into that. I'm way different. I'm not even remotely
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  Speaker 3: near that.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine rocking a cigarette holder.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine?
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  Speaker 2: I can see Cat Williams doing it. I can see
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  Speaker 2: Cat Williams with a cigarette holder.
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  Speaker 1: It would work for Cat.
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  Speaker 2: He can pull it off.
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  Speaker 1: He can pull anything off. And he's going to say
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  Speaker 1: some genius shit about it on.
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  Speaker 3: Top of that. So, yeah, he can pull it off.
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  Speaker 1: But me walking in with the cigarette holder.
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  Speaker 3: What if you walked in here today and I had
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  Speaker 3: a cigarette holder? And when you said, hey, hey, hello,
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  Speaker 3: I went like this. You know, it just hits you
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  Speaker 3: with the.
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  Speaker 2: What is the purpose of the cigarette holder? Other than
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  Speaker 2: keeping the cigarette further from your face?
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  Speaker 3: I don't want my hands dirty. I don't want my
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  Speaker 3: hands to smell like cigarettes.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what the purpose is. It's just all wrong.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what the purpose is. It's just all wrong.
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  Speaker 2: The only person who pulled it off was Hunter S. Thompson.
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  Speaker 2: He had it and just somehow or another seemed ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: Can we put a picture up of him? Because I'm
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  Speaker 3: not familiar. Hunter S.
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  Speaker 2: Thompson, the writer. He's the one that they did that
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  Speaker 2: Johnny Depp movie, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 2: It's based on one of his books.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He used to have a cigarette holder.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's doing it a little bit more aggressively.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about that other one. I'm talking about that.
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  Speaker 2: Other kind of... The long one. The long one, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The black one with the silver ring. Yeah, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, I think he did it more... Man,
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  Speaker 2: Hunter's cool. Oh, he was cool as fuck. Yeah, he's cool.
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  Speaker 2: A complete total maniac.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Out of his mind on drugs, but wrote some of
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  Speaker 2: the most genius shit ever. I mean, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, make it through, man.
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  Speaker 2: If you're going through hell, keep going, baby.
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  Speaker 1: Make it through and come out the other side.
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  Speaker 2: Some people need something to get out of their own head,
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's called humility.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that helps, too. That perspective that you have is
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  Speaker 2: a great perspective because, like, that's the way to get
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  Speaker 2: through it. And young people should hear that, too, is that, like,
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  Speaker 2: just be an artist and be famous as a consequence
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  Speaker 2: of what you've done.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah. Exactly, as opposed to— because if you're arrogant, you
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  Speaker 1: can't learn anything. And the most fulfilling thing of this
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  Speaker 1: whole thing is learning some stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like, that's what's fun.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right.
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  Speaker 1: What's not fun is just thinking about yourself all day.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of boring, at least to me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of crazy. It is. It really is.
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  Speaker 2: And the best way to not think about yourself all
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  Speaker 2: day is try to learn something difficult. 100%.
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  Speaker 1: 100%.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like, when you're doing jiu-jitsu, the last thing you're thinking
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  Speaker 2: about is yourself.
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  Speaker 3: You're not thinking about anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just surviving.
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  Speaker 1: You're just thinking about surviving and hoping that he doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: I'll give you the.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? That's the worst thing coming
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  Speaker 2: out of your mouth. You know what I mean? It's
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  Speaker 2: so humiliating. You know? Yeah. That's cool that you're doing it, though.
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  Speaker 2: It's very exciting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's, you know, man, I like that, and I
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  Speaker 3: like reading, you know? Love the books, man.
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  Speaker 2: What kind of shit do you read? I read everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I read everything from Karl von Clausewitz to.
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  Speaker 2: Who's that?
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  Speaker 3: He's an Austrian.
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  Speaker 1: General.
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  Speaker 3: Prussian general, actually. Prussian. Prussian general.
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  Speaker 1: Who, you know, talked about this concept called friction. And
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  Speaker 1: he has this Clausewitzian triangle where he talks about, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you have these three areas that the pendulum
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  Speaker 1: swings over, like probability and chance, logic and reason, and luck. No,
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  Speaker 1: probability and chance, logic and reason, and passion and enmity, hatred.
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  Speaker 1: So you can look at society right now, and you
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  Speaker 1: can take a Clausewitzian trinity and put it over society
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  Speaker 1: and you know that we're operating in a place of
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  Speaker 1: emotions and passions. So logic and reasons wouldn't even make any,
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  Speaker 1: you know, wouldn't even mean anything. So it's the Trinity,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so it really helps you think about life,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting. So the grand strategy is at the center of
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  Speaker 2: it all. Government, politics, reason, intelligent, the armed forces, calculation, chance,
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  Speaker 2: game of chance, odds, values. Fascinating. Yeah. How did you
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  Speaker 2: get into this guy?
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  Speaker 1: I just read all kinds of stuff. I love literature,
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  Speaker 1: love history, love reading things that make me better. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? And what you find out is
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  Speaker 1: the more you read, the less you know. The more
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  Speaker 1: you know, the more you find out, the more you
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  Speaker 1: realize you don't know shit. And because of that, it
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  Speaker 1: becomes more exciting. And I wanted to navigate entertainment. It's
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  Speaker 1: like what you talked about, right?
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  Speaker 3: You know, you're 16, 17, 18 years old.
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  Speaker 2: Now, either you can.
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  Speaker 1: Get high all day, spend all your money and twist
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  Speaker 1: yourself out and go on a binge or.
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  Speaker 3: You can figure out something else. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: And so I just, how did you know that at 16?
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  Speaker 1: My mother, my mother would show me like books of
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  Speaker 1: like drug addicts would like sores on their arms and say,
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  Speaker 1: Hey Todd, this is, you know, this is what happens
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  Speaker 1: when you, you know, get out in that world.
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  Speaker 3: If you can ruin your career and ruin your life,
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: this is what happens, you know?
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: And, you know, that combined with her telling me, Todd,
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: you know, girls don't like dummies.
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? You know?
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: Not like you're trying to be like, you know, Mr. Scientist,
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: like some pedantic super nerd. At the same time, though,
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: you want to stay inquisitive, stay curious.
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: Well, women want a man who can navigate life.
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: There's no question about that.
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and intelligence is one of the best ways, one
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: of the best tools to navigate life.
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: Intelligence, health, and... That inner emotional strength, you need intestinal
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: fortitude to go with the intelligence, right? Because if you
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: have intelligence but no willpower, you still get banged out.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: You just be a smart punk.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of smart bitches out there in this world.
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: That gives up early, but you're smart.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: I know why I'm giving up.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: I know why I'm giving up, but I'm going to
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: go to therapy and never get better. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, yeah.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's one of the key elements of society
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: today that's not embraced. is like discipline and drive and
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: understanding that you have to have the ability to persevere
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: through difficult times. And that giving up, there's no virtue
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: in being emotional and giving up. It's the opposite. It's
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: bad for you. Everybody feels bad sometimes in your life.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: But giving up like that and celebrating that and embracing it,
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: you know, like, oh, he's in control. He's in touch
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: with his emotions.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: Is that what that is? No, he's in touch with
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: some shit that's going to get him ran over.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: Like, yo, you got to see, empathy is not the
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: same as what you're, right? Because empathy, we need empathy.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: But empathy is not the same as weakness.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: And, you know, one spark can set a prairie on fire.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: So we got to be, you know, we got to
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: manage our moods and we got to be able to
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: do what we need to do even when we don't
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: feel like doing it, right? Because that's the language of success.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: That's a really important quote. One spark can set a
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: prairie on fire because how many people they spiral out
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: from one bad thought they start pursuing.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: You got to get out of your own way. You
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying?
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like that's super important, man. That's super important.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: It is. You know?
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Real talk.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. No one teaches you that shit in school.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: You have to have wise people around you to show
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: you that way, or you have to slowly figure it
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: out on your own.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to go through some drama, and you
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: got to be able to see the silver lining, and
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: you got to be able to finish the marathon. And
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: that requires your ability to you know, get comfortable being uncomfortable.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: I know it's kind of a cliche, but it's true.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: You got to be comfortable being uncomfortable. Like you got
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: to be able to keep going and understand that there's
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: a other, there's another side.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: Like I, I heard this guy, I don't know who
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: he was.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Um, so I'm not trying to take credit for this,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: but this guy said, um, like if you're on a
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: plane and, uh, you know, when engines on fire, if
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: you're flying a plane, you keep flying. And he said,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Or else what are you going to do? I mean, yeah,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: you look to land, but you got to keep going.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: You don't crash the plane. If two engines are on fire,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: what do you do? You keep flying until you can
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: save the land. So in life, you don't give up
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: just because one of your engines is not acting the
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: way you want it to. You have to treat your
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: life like you, you know, attitude determines your altitude, right?
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: So you got to.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Well, everybody wants to be comfortable. That's the thing. Because
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: we're so often uncomfortable that everyone seeks to be comfortable.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: And then once they're comfortable, they want to hold on
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: to it and only be comfortable. Right.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: And then they stop making progress.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: They stop evolving.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: And they become defensive.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: They just crawl up and become a hedgehog. They just
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: go into a ball and don't try to do nothing
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: in life.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: They also get very upset at ambitious people.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Well, some can. Some people can. Some people can. Because
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: it's a reminder, right?
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I can understand how painful it might be for somebody
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: who is afraid to go for that next level, afraid
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to do that next thing, to see somebody else wholeheartedly committing.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: But what you have to understand is that, like you
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: have somebody say to you, I don't want to go
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: back to school.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: You'd be like, why?
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I'm saying if they want to do, oh, because it'll
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: take three years. Well, three years from now is going
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: to be three years from now any goddamn way. So
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: just go back to school.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: So going back to what you were saying, it's like
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: the idea....
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Of making it, you just got to be comfortable with
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: the idea that people are going to say what they're
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: going to say anyway. And you need to go after
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: your dreams. Dreams don't have deadlines. That's the headline. Dreams
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: don't have deadlines. You just got to go after it. And,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: you know, you lose the battle, you can still win
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: the war.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Right? With yourself. Yeah.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: With yourself.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because we're not looking for perfection. None of us
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: are perfect. We all did some crazy shit. We're all crazy.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Everybody's crazy.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, you can take it to
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: the next level if you keep going.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Yes.
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• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Great advice.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's real.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: And it's real from someone who's actually done it. That's
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: what's really important. People can hear that all day from
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: a motivational speaker, but then you could say to that
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: motivational speaker, what exactly have you done other than motivate people?
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: A lot of them, the list is very small.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: But you know what's interesting about that? I hear people
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: say that, but you know what my thinking is? Like
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: if a homeless guy tells me don't do push-ups in traffic,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I'm going to listen.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. You get bad advice from people that are great.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: And then you get really good advice from idiots. Every
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: now and then a moron will tell you something and
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, shit.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: So I'm less inclined to concern myself with who the
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: messenger is.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I know it's relevant.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Right. But I listen to the message because you have
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: to contextualize the message in your life.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Right. That's some Bruce Lee shit. That's like absorb what
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: is useful.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? The way to intercept his fist. Yeah, yeah.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Bruce was the man.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, he was the man.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Bruce is why I got into acting.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: How'd that happen?
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Because, I mean, he was the.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Only dude with a tan that was, like, doing some
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: cool shit on TV or in the movies. You know?
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: He was a little.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Brownie, you know? Oh, bro, all my Asian friends were
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: so happy. All my Asian friends were like, finally, we
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: have a fucking superhero.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Yo, Bruce was the man.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: He was the man, dude. He was the man. He
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: changed martial arts for the world.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I used to be on Jamaica Avenue with the yellow
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: and black Game of Death suit. Did you have one
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: of those? Absolutely.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Absolutely walking down the aisle with that shit.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: That Game of Death suit was the shit. Right? That
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: yellow with the black stripes with the joint.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: That yellow Game of Death suit.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think people understand how revolutionary he was. All
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: martial arts were all, they were all siloed. Like if
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: you did Kung Fu and your instructor caught you doing
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Shotokan somewhere, they'd be upset with you.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: It was very siloed. And Bruce Lee came along and said, no.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Who was the first mixed martial artist?
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: The first.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: The first.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's doing American boxing, Chinese boxing, Kung Fu.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Salat.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: He did everything.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Salat is crazy, too.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He did judo.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: Judo.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: He did everything.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: And he put it all together. And that was heresy.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: People wanted to kill him for that.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah. That rumor still persists, right?
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think. I think that rumor has to
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: do with the triad, with the Chinese mob, because they
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: were financing his early movies.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: The Raymond Chow movies that he was doing?
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: And then he left. And when he left them, there
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: was a gigantic dispute. So when he went to Hollywood,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: there was a gigantic dispute. So I think that's what
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: the real conspiracy theories are. I don't know if they're true.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: You think he probably just had an aneurysm or whatever
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: that was.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: It seems like something happened where he had an allergic reaction.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Wasn't it an allergic reaction to medication or something like that?
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they gave him some pills and he went
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to sleep.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: He was at someone's apartment, right?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's also he probably had some head injuries.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: You got to realize he's doing a lot of sparring.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: He's doing sparring with boxers. He's experimenting with stuff. He's
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: doing crazy scenes in movies. He accidentally get hit. Who
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: knows if he had... A brain injury. Okay. Cerebral edema.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Dangerous swelling of the brain attributed by the coroner to
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: a hypersensitivity reaction to ingredients in the prescription painkiller Equagesic.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Equagesic.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Equagesic, which he took for a headache. A plane of
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: a headache given Equagesic, medication containing aspirin and Mepromate. Meprobamate. Meprobamate.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: What is that?
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Aspirin and meprobamate. He laid down the rest, became unresponsive,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: could not be revived after taking to the hospital. Autopsy
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: found severe brain swelling and no external injuries. The brain
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: swelling itself is well established in the historical record, but
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the precise trigger remains disputed. The official conclusion focused on
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: drug hypersensitivity reaction Later, writers and researchers have proposed other possibilities,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: including heat-related illness and hypo... Well, they're testing us today
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: with the words.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Retrospective hypothesis?
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Hyponatremia.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Hyponatremia.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Dangerously low blood sodium associated with excess water intake. Huh.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Retrospective hypothesis.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Something happened.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: It's the plural of hypothesis.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Retrospective hypothesis.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: No replacement original official ruler. He was unbelievable, man.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Well, he was the Tao of Jeet Kune Do is
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the original book of mixed martial arts.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: No question.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: I bought that book when it came out.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I got a copy still.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I love that book, right? That book's legit.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: It was soft. It was like a soft cover.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: You remember that?
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Yep. Soft cover, big, thick-ass book. Yeah, big, thick, soft
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: cover with all the illustrations inside. Yeah, man. And he
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: took things from everything. He took things from, like, Western
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: boxing and fainting and jabs. And he got from karate,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: different Japanese styles. He watched Ali. Oh, yeah.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Ali's footwork.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: He did some of that in the movies, too. Yeah, absolutely.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Bruce was a monster.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: But people today, they see that, you know, they see
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: mixed martial arts. You see all these fighters on television.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: They see movies. It seems normal to them. They don't
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: understand that back then, this was unprecedented. No one had
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: ever done that before.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Super.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And to be that skillful and do it so
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: he could move so fast that everybody's like, what the fuck?
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Lightning quick.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Lightning quick.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Just changed it for the whole world. Like, karate schools
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: just opened up all over the world.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Crazy. Instantaneously. What was crazy at that time, it was
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: blurred because, like, people didn't know the difference between karate
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: and kung fu. Right.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: It was very blurred. Yeah. It was very blurred.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: You just got lucky wherever school you walked into.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: You know, you look, open the yellow pages under martial arts.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: That's right. I was up at the YMCA in Sado Karate.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Sado, okay, I'm doing Sado.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Walking in the dojo. You know what I mean?
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: A lot of those YMCA classes, yeah.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: They were good, though.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Two knuckles, baby.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: First two knuckles.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a crazy time because, like, it just got
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: introduced into the world and it took off. I'm fascinated
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: by things that didn't exist and then all of a
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: sudden burst onto the scene.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Innovation.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that's why hip-hop to me is so fascinating,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: especially early hip-hop because hip-hop as an art form before
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: the 1980s was nonexistent in pop culture. And then all
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: of a sudden it was the dominant force five or
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: six years later. That's right. People have to understand what
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: it was like. When I was a kid and when
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I was coming up, the first time I heard Sugar
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Hill Gang was I was in a lunchroom. I was
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: in Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts. At the time, it was a
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: bad neighborhood. Now it's been kind of gentrified. At the time,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: there was kids that were 17 years old and they
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: were still in the eighth grade. It was crazy. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's that. 17 years old in the eighth grade
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: is some nasty work.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like that. No bullshit. There was kids
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: that should have been graduating from high school and they
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: hadn't even gotten out of middle school yet. It was
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: just a lot of ne'er-do-wells and people that just came
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: from bad homes and bad neighborhoods. But It was the
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: first time I had ever heard that. I remember thinking,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: this is like a different kind of music. Like, this is.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because, you know, you live in a neighborhood and
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: you feel invisible.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: You know, and I think a lot of people can
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: relate to that now. You live in a neighborhood, you
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: feel invisible. Your friends get killed, nobody cares. The news
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: doesn't talk about... You know, they may talk about some
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: major thing, but... When your friend down the block gets killed,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: nobody cares. You walk down, you got this diddy bop
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that you're walking with like this, and people think you're
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: walking to be cool, but you're really walking because it's
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: like being in the jungle, and you're like a lion,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and you're walking around trying to stay low, and you're
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: watching your environment in your back, right? I used to
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: have a thing in high school. You do one, two,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: three behind you, one, two, three behind you.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: The whole time down the hallway.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Wow. You know what I mean? So hip-hop was the
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: first time that I heard young kids like me sound empowered. And,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: you know, instead of, you know, because all you saw
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: at that time, if you saw a black kid on
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: the news, all you saw was a guy in handcuffs
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: being put into a police car.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: That was basically it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: That and Bruce Lee.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: So it was like.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Hip hop is the first time I heard people sound powerful,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: sound empowered. You know, it wasn't like the Grey Poupon fancy. Yeah,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of money thing.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: That it is today.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: When we talked about the money and that was aspirational,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: that's what we wanted. Like you're coming from nothing. You're
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: coming from the grime and the dirt, and you're rapping
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: about what it could be. So you're extra macho and
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you're extra bravado because you're an underdog. It became that
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: to now it's like you're on Mount Olympus spitting on
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: the peasants.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Right, back then it was aspirational.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: It was the opposite. It was the opposite.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: One of my favorite hip-hop videos of all time is
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Biggie when he was 17 on the street corner.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, when he was rhyming?
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: On the block.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: He's a nobody, and he's the shit at the same time. Yeah.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: He's the shit at the same time. And everybody rhyming,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I'm just going, oh! Yeah. He's hitting these lines, and
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: his flow was already spectacular.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Because you're basically.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: You're saying what every you're like. It's like a different
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: version of Cyrano. But you're doing it for people. It's
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: not about romance necessarily. It's not for this particular girl.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: You're doing it.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: You're speaking.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: You become a spokesman for the emotions, the angst, the pain,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: the desire. the wishes of the people that are like you.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about just ethnicity.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Culturally people that are like you that come from the
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: energy and the type of places that you come from.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: So you speak for them. You know what I mean?
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: So when I got the big gold chains on, the
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: big gold chains are to show people I have.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Something at that time.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: And then, yo, not only do I have something, but
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I'm tough enough to be able to wear this. See,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: jewelry back then was a message. You know, any neighborhood.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: It was, I can wear this in this neighborhood. That's
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: very different from it becoming like, you know, cigarette holders
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: and I got the jewelry on and it's like a goddamn,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: everybody's Liberace, no disrespect. You know what I'm saying?
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: It becomes, you know what I mean? No disrespect, you
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: know what I mean?
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I don't wanna diss my man, not necessary. You know?
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: That's what's interesting is that's the first music genre where
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: open displays of wealth became standard.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Right, but here's the thing, here's the thing, remember.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: It wasn't an open display of wealth because it wasn't
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: at the wealth level. That wasn't even the mindset. It
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: could be as simple as I have 50 grand in
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: my dresser drawer, I got a gold chain, I got
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: a nice car, and I'm doing better now, but I
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: couldn't eat six months ago.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: And look what I did.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: That's very different from, you know, look at my portfolio
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and my open, ostentatious display of this incredible, you understand
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Yeah, the mindset is different, right? Because remember,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: we were taking cues from hustlers too.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Like, we gotta be honest about that.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Like, we were looking at the different hustlers, we were
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: looking at the Supreme Team, and we were looking at,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: you know, AZ and Rich and Apple, the guys uptown,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: we were looking at different people, and all of that
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: was affecting us, too. So it wasn't so much about, like, nah, nah, nah, nah,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: nah to society. It was more like, I did this
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: in spite of. Like, you gotta think about it. Like,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: if you're, it's like Monopoly, right? Like, somebody I was
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: talking to the other day, like, we play Monopoly, and
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I start off, and I got all the paper, and
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: you got hardly nothing. And I get 60% to 70%
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: of the property. And then I say, okay, now let's play.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: If you can go around that board and come up,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: you're going.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: To fucking feel good about yourself. You might throw a
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: chain on yourself. You might smile a little bit during
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: that game after a while. And so you've got to
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: think about it from that mindset. Now we've lapped, people.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Have lapped the game so many times that it's not
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: perceived the same way. But at that time, it wasn't
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: about showing off. The call was about, yo, I really
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: did this. Like, I have something. Because having something is
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: a major accomplishment.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: When you got.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Nothing, I don't care if you're in a trailer park,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: you're in the inner city, you're in a hood, wherever
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: you at, when you are able to accomplish something, that's
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: a hell of a feeling. Right? And so it wasn't about, like,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: so the idea of financial, fiscal responsibility and wealth, nobody's
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: thinking about that shit anymore.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: I want a Benz.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I want a Benz, bro. Yo, I just want a Benz.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I remember sitting with Dick counting it. I'm like, yo.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, we're going to do it. I want
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: a Benz.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, we're going to take care of this.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: I want a Benz.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: And it's like, so we, you know, like I never
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: lost the, yeah, you do stuff with money and all that,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: but I never lost the mindset of, You know, where
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: you really from. Like, people, yo, it's easy to forget.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, you're like one of the most red
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: people I know because I watch, you know, the stuff
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: and everything.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: You could be in a bubble and forget it.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: If you didn't get in that gym and you didn't
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: roll around on that mat and you didn't get reminders
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: of humanity, you could forget.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: And the life, this world that we live in, it's
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: easy to forget.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: So I kind of.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: It's comforting to forget.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, keep that in mind.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: You said what?
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: It's comforting to forget. It's easy to fall into a
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: band of yes men and be insulated, especially in Hollywood.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: 100%, but then you're not relatable, and then you can't learn,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: and you can't handle it.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Well, you also go crazy. Oh, without a doubt. That's
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: the problem.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: You might be Howard Hughes.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: No disrespect. No disrespect. You know what I mean?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: You'd be in the room until the 70s.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: With all the paper and tissue around you.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of Howard's turn now. He hides in
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the Hamptons now.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: That's rough.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: He didn't do his radio show from his studio for
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: a long time. He did it all remotely.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: People start getting weird with germs. You start worrying about
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: getting sick.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: It gets very strange.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Start washing their hands all day long. I mean, that's okay.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: All day long. I get a little hip of cleanser.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Don't wash my hands. I wash my hands.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: I wash my hands, you know what I mean?
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: But I think, no disrespect to Howard, because I'm a
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: giant fan of his. I think he's the pioneer of
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: all this stuff. But I think you can only get.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, he's named after an African-American university, so
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: that's the cool- No, I'm kidding. Go ahead, Joe. I'm kidding, Joe.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: That's part of his lore.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: He grew up in an all-black neighborhood.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: It really is. But he got so famous. He got
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: so famous. It's so big. It's so huge.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: No doubt.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: And so much money. And I think there's a real-
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: potential to be isolated when that happens. Then people get
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: mad at you. I do too.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like how, I did a show quite a
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: few times. You know, he was always cool to me.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: He really was.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: And he gave me love like in the early years
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: when I first started. I gotta be honest. He embraced me.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: He gave me, you know, he kind of like let
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: me come on a show and let me, you know
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: That to me, you know, I'm not saying that what
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: you're saying is like No, listen, I'm not disrespecting him.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think you are. I think he's a legend,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: and I think if it wasn't for him, there'd be
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: no podcasts.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: But you can become isolated.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: You can become isolated. And it's also, it's very hard
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: to even be hanging out with people when you're that famous.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: It just gets weird for some people, unless you force
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: yourself to just do uncomfortable things all the time.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: And in public.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Well, success likes you to be outside, right? it's kind
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: of hard to find success when you're not networking. You
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: could do certain things, but I heard a guy say
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the other day, you know, you put a painting on
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: your garage wall, and even if the door's open, it's
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: kind of hard to get people excited, you know what
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, as opposed to putting it in the gallery.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: So you have to interact. But, you know, me, like,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: I'm an introvert, even though I do all this stuff.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, you really?
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think. But when I go home, I
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: got to read, I got to relax, I got to recharge. Like,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I can't, you know what I mean? I can't. I
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: don't like being surrounded by a thousand people, but I
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: have a different reason for it, because I just learned
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: that it brings problems.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Because you can't manage everybody's behavior.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: And then when the problem happens, then it's LL.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Right, right. One of LL's friends, yeah.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Part of LL's crew.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: You see?
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: So you got to.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Today in the news. You know what I'm saying?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yeah. Especially when you're on
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: a cop show.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what? No, that's funny. Yeah, that's really funny.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: It becomes a real fucking problem.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: You know, I didn't even really think... Yo, that's pretty funny, bro.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: That's pretty funny.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Bro, I think about it all the time with Ice-T.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Because I was a giant Ice-T fan, still am, but
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: giant Ice-T fan growing up.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: And.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: He had that song, Cop Killer. Remember? He had that
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: song with Body Count.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you're talking about. But a man
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: that can conquer himself is greater than a man who
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: can conquer a city, right?
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Right, there you go. But it's just funny.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: No, it is. It is. But you know what? You know,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: like Ice says. Yeah, of course.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Always. You know what I mean?
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was in Pimps Up, Hoes Down. Remember that?
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Without a doubt.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Get his hair done.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Without a doubt.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Talking about the pin game.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Green is for the money.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Gold is for the honey.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: This is crazy. With Don Magic Wand.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: And Mr. White Folks. Oh, Mr.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: White Folks.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Bananas. Bananas.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Yo. Yo.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: It was hilarious. Yo. Well, yeah. So, like, yeah, ISD's
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: been hustling since the very beginning. He's another pioneer.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Without a doubt.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: But what I want people to really understand is kids
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: today don't understand because hip-hop is just a part.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Of their life.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: It's a part of music. It emerged. And it emerged
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: so quickly. You go from Sugarhill Gang, which was 80,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: what was it? That was 79. 79?
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: The Rap is the Light was 79. And then you
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: got N.W.A.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: And it happens very quickly.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: It happens very quickly. You got Public Enemy. It happens
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: very quickly. And all of a sudden, you have Fight
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: the Power, and you're like, whoa, what is this?
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: 100%. You know what's funny about the Public Enemy? I'll
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: tell you a quick little insight. Their logo is actually
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: my friend, E-Love.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Chuck D.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: From Public Enemy took a picture of my man standing
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: next to me on stage and put him in silhouette.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so when you look at the Public Enemy logo,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: that's actually my man, E-Love, that.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: That created, yeah, that's my man E Love right there,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: behind that.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: And you probably, if you actually, you could probably Google
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: E Love, Public Enemy, LL Cool J, you know, and
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: you'll find out that, like, you know, see? See, rest
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: in peace, E Love, aka the Public Enemy logo. And see,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: that's my man E Love, see us down there? See,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: that's us, yeah. So that's E, but he just happened
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: to be standing, see the hat? He just happened to
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: be standing in a different pose.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: But that's what, yeah, he's the logo. May he rest
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: in peace. That was my man. Wow.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: That was my man.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: He was a good dude.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: That was my man. He passed away. But he was like,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: when we did Crush Groove and all that, when we
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: did the first hip-hop, one of the, it was an
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: early hip-hop, it wasn't first, one of the early hip-hop movies,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: he was standing next to me with the box, him
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: and my man, Cut Creator, you know what I'm saying?
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Shout out to my man Phil Potts, Cut Creator.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: And then Run DMC, of course.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Run DMC, you know, those are my friends. You know
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Run Anjo. You know, JMJ, rest in peace.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: You know, they took me on tour. You know, they
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: took me on tour around the world. We went all
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: over the place. You know what I'm saying? It was bananas.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: It's just bananas. Like, for people to really get it
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: in their mind, what a change that was in music.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: You know, this emergent power and style. just took over
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: pop culture where kids were dressing like them. Like everybody
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: wanted to be like them.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: That's Dick Clark.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I did Dick Clark at 85. Oh shit. Yeah.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: It's so funny.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. That's crazy.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: That was, yo, that was like, it was like an
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: unbelievable experience. You know what I'm saying? Like I would
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: go to London and you know, You know, be like
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: looking for fast food. Like, yo, just please.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Like, I didn't understand Yorkshire pudding. I didn't understand none
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: How old were you?
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: When I went to London, maybe 17.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we went right away.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Right away.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Wow. What was the reception like over there?
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: It was incredible. It was incredible at first. Now, at
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: one point, I'll be honest with you, when I put
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the love song out, I got booed. Not booed, but
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: people were mad. Yeah, because guys were upset that I
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: was willing to be that vulnerable.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: But I like them chicks, though. I like them chicks, though, baby.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I was like, I like them girls.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, I got to do this.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? But no, they gave me
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of love.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: We used to tour all.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Over the place.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: That's funny that that song.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: That song, it was huge. But then there was a little,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: you know, there was a little corner.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Well, the problem is the other stuff was so hard.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Your other stuff was so hard.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: But that's more real life, isn't it?
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: But isn't that more real?
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Well, it's balance. Yeah.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: It's balance. There's nothing wrong with having both.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you go home, you get what
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: you get. I mean, you do got a couple of personalities,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: don't you? Like, I mean, we all do, right?
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: You should.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: So my art reflected the real. I'm just keeping it 100.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: You guys want to keep it 50 and call it 100.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: They just didn't want to expose that part of themselves. Meanwhile,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: they probably like that song when they're alone.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: In their room, staring at the wall. No question.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: No question.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: No question.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Wow. So was hip hop taking off over there as
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: well with like artists where new artists were emerging in England?
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. It was. Well, at that time, there wasn't
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: as many, but they got into hip hop very early.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: The whole world, like there's a whole lineage of artists
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: that are pioneers around the world that contributed to hip
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: hop in their own countries. I can't name them all. But, like,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: in France, you had MC Solar, but there was people
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: before him. Like, you know, there's different. My man Spatz
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: in Germany, there was people before him, obviously. I always
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: get the name wrong, but it starts with an N
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: and a number. I just can't remember. But, yeah, I mean, hip-hop, like,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I would go to Japan, you know, and they'd be
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: singing the words to the song verbatim and then can't
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: speak English. But they rap the song. Yeah.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: It's amazing.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: That's wild.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: But it made me respect cultures all over the world, though.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: It gave me a different kind of mindset for people
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: around the world, you know what I'm saying? How I
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: view things. Because you can be real myopic. I mean,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: when I first started going outland, it'd be like, yo,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: take me to the black neighborhood. Let me just see
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: what it looks like. And I'm like, what do you mean?
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: We're in Japan. We're in Japan. You know what I'm saying?
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: So just take me where it's hip-hop-ish. And then you
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: start getting exposed, and you see kids that love graffiti,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: and they love the arts, and they love hip-hop. And
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: you come to find a newfound respect. Like, I did
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: a record in Germany with my man, and Spatz, I
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: think I'm saying his name right. I mean, he's rapping
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: in German. I'm rapping in English. People in America don't
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: know about the song, but it was like a thing
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I did over there. You know, you just get into
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: a whole world.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I love Brazilian hip-hop because I can't speak Portuguese.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I just like listening to the sounds.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: You know what's funny?
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I think, to me, the language that sounds, like, most
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: impressive to me, I mean, outside of English, I would
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: say it's French.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: French.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: French sounds incredible.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: French hip-hop sounds incredible.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Yo, French hip-hop is dope.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: French hip-hop is dope.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Yo, French hip-hop is dope.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: For real. You know what I'm saying? I like Brazilian.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: I'm Portuguese. You know what I'm saying? But French is a,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Yeah.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: I love the music of the whole world, though. You
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying? For different reasons.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: France is fascinating to me.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: You know, it's a hyper point of mixed martial arts now. Yeah.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: A lot of elite fighters are coming out of France,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: including the heavyweight champion of the world, Cyril Ghosn. He's
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: from France. Yeah, Cyril. Yeah, Cyril. Cedric Doumbé is this
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: dude who fights in the PFL, who's like one of
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: the best kickboxers alive.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: He's fucking people up in MMA now.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: I know Cyril was, he's a monster.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: He's a freak. He has changed my thoughts on bases,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: like for sports to entry. Well, he's a Muay Thai fighter,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: but here's the point. He played basketball.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: This is why. I think basketball is a huge factor
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: for big athletes in particular. If you can play good
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: at basketball. The thing about being good at basketball is
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: you have to be able to change direction constantly.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Tennis.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Yes. Tennis would be a good one, but it's not constant.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: It's ba-bum, ba-bum, ba-bum, ba-bum. Basketball, you're constantly engaging. There's
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: a ball and people, and it's all about juking and movement,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: and it's all about misdirection. That's huge with striking. You
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: can get a guy as big as Cyril Gantz. He's
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: 248 pounds, but moves like a cat. And I think
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: a big part of that is he spent so much time.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: It's like plyometrics. You're doing constant plyometrics when you're doing basketball. Plus,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: hand-eye coordination because you have a ball, and you're moving
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: the ball while you're back and forth, which is very
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: similar to punching.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Footwork.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Footwork is hugely important.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Footwork in conjunction with the movement of your hands.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: And distance management.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: And he can play, man.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: And he can dunk.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: I saw this clip before. Yeah, that boy, and he's
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: really playing.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, he's really good. I think there's something legitimate to
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: that as a base because you're constantly– like soccer is
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: another one. Soccer is a tremendous base for MMA because
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: those guys have great cardio and their legs, they can
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: constantly move back and forth. They don't get tired. That
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: makes sense.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: That makes sense.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: It's a huge factor.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: That makes sense.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: If you can get that kind of movement, most people
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: don't have that kind of movement, like an elite basketball
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: player movement. And if you're a guy who's like plotting
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: and like, you know, heavy footed and you're like moving
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: forward and there's a guy that's just like light on
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: his toes and you can't hit him. He's nowhere to
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: be found.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: That's a big factor.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: And if you combine that with, you know, mindset change,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: animal mindset and intellect, now you're really playing at a
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: different level, right? If you can do one so they
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: do two so you can grab the three, you know
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: what I mean? If you're really thinking that way, now
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: you're at a whole nother level because that.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Makes the difference too. It's the mindset and the intellect.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Like when you look at Floyd, Like, you know, yo,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: the intellect, the traps he's setting, you know, the process,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: the standing in front of you, the giving you something
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: just to take it away and catch you, you know,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: like those little things that matters.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: And you can't hit him and he's right in front
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: of you. That's right. He's not moving around and he's
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: not constant with footwork like Ali was in his prime. No,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: he's right in front of you, shoulder rolling. Yeah, just
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: giving you a little something. And you can't do shit.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just giving you, just because you're telling on yourself. Yeah.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: He's looking at your hips. He's looking at your elbow.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: You know, you're telling on yourself. Yeah.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Easily the most elusive guy who stood right in front
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: of people.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Him?
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Sweepy.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Sweepy. But Sweepy would move too. He would stand right
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: in front of you, but he would also move.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: But he would be moving backwards and getting out of there.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: He was incredible with that. There's also this Italian. There's
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: this Italian boxer. You got to look it up. He's
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: like a, I think he's like Floyd before Floyd. even
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: before Floyd's pops. Look for the NEO, look for, no, no,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: actually he's Italian, but he was in Argentina, but he's Italian.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: And he's one of the most incredible, elusive fighters I've
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: ever seen in my life.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: What year was this?
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: This is, I want to, 40s, 50s, 60s.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Like, look, Italian, yeah, you got him? Watch, watch this.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: What's his name?
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Nicolino, yeah.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Nicolino.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Watch, watch Nicolino. Watch, watch Nicolino.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Watch.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: No, this ain't him.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: That's not him. I think they're comparing him to other people. Yeah, no,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: you gotta, but find, yeah, here he is. Yeah, now watch,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: watch him, watch him, watch him, watch him. Watch.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, they're comparing him.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Like, get him, find him.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Look at it.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Look at it.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Look at it.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Look at this.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Look at this. Oh, I have seen this guy before.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: at this.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Look at this.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Look at this shit. This is crazy. You know, you can't, like,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's unbelievable.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: And this is like a bad fight because I'm looking
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: at his eye and it looked like he didn't, you know.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: But, I mean, when you really watch him, unbelievable. When
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: you get him on the ropes, you find.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Him on the ropes.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, this guy is just unbelievable.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Nicolino.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Luce, what's his last name?
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Loche.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Loche?
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Yo, he is just, I mean, his... Like,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: you can't hit him. Like, that's all Floyd.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: You see it? You see it, right?
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: And this is early. Yo, this is crazy. There wasn't
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of guys like this back then.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Look at this. Look at this. Watch this.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Look at this.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Come on, baby.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen Willie Pep?
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Willie Pep's another one. He won an entire round without
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: throwing a punch.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was unbelievable. Yeah. Willie Pep.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Come on. You know, my uncle was John Henry Lewis.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: He was a light heavyweight champion.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Really? Yeah, yeah. That was your uncle? Yeah, yeah.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my granduncle. You know, my mother's uncle.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: So you've been a boxing fan since you were really young.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Actually, here's the crazy thing.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know that I had all of these
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: boxers in my family until I did my DNA research
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: with Henry Louis Gate on Finding Your Roots. And they
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: did this whole thing and came to find out all
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: of these people are in my lineage for real. Because
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: my mother was adopted. That's why I didn't know. And
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: then I came to find out, yo, my uncle, all in, like,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: he's in the Hall of Fame.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. He was good.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: John Henry Lewis.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Pull him up.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Pull up John Henry Lewis.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, him.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: That's my uncle.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? He was unbelievable. He was incredible.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: He was incredible. I mean, you know, he went up to,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: he was light heavyweight. He went up to heavyweight, got
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: knocked out by Joe Lewis really quickly. But he was
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: an unbelievable fighter. You know?
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: He was a, yeah. Yeah, he was powerful.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: That's crazy, right?
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: So, you know, so the fight game, I love the
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: fight game.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I love it, man. Like, you know, sometimes I tell
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: them I miss my kid's wedding to see a good
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: boxing match.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Honey, I'm sorry. I know you. I'll walk you down
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: the aisle in an hour.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Well, there's something very definitive about it. It's like everybody
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: understands what's going on. Like you can. You don't have
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: to be a fan of boxing to understand what's happening.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Combat sports in general.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're watching two people's souls get exposed.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: That's what I was about to say.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: Because it's a soul test.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Because when you're in the fire, now it's about your soul.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: Because you know what you're dealing with.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because there's a saying, you can look at a
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: man's eyes and tell his rank. You can see a
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: person's rank in their eye.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about the arrogant. I'm talking about
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: their rank.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Their skill level. Yeah, who they are. Right. Who they are.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: It might not even be their skill level, but who
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: they are. Because your skill level can fluctuate. It can evolve.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: It can change.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: But you know what you're dealing with.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Right. Like if you get a pit bull puppy or
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: if you get a, you know, a Rhodesian rigid back.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: You know, or Razorback, is it Razorback or Ridgeback?
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Ridgeback, yeah. You get one of those, like you can
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: look in a puppy's eyes, you know what you're dealing with.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: It reminds me of that movie. Remember the Samurai movie
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: when he gave him the sword or the ball? And
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: he said, pick one.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: What movie was that?
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: It was the one where the guy was, he was
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: traveling around and his wife was killed and then they said, nah.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: This is real shit.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: And he said, he put the sword in front of
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: his son and he put a ball in front of
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: his baby son.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: He said, if you pick the ball, shogun assassin that's.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: What it is 1980 yeah you choose the sword or
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: the ball if the kid chose the ball he was
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: gonna kill him let me see that scene that's not
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: the actual scene but it's a great scene it's a
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: great scene because he found out what was inside of
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: his son right you know what i mean wow.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: That's heavy i love it man well that's the thing
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: that trainers have to deal with there's certain people that
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: As you're training them, you realize that they just don't
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: have it. There's something about them.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: They don't they don't.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: And then there's other people that you start training right away. Like, oh,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: if this guy could figure out how to keep this
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: fire burning, he's got it inside of him.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Because like when you hear people say and this is
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: like no disrespect, but this is like when you hear
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: people say.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: I'm maintaining or same old shit. I don't really like that.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Because you want to thrive, not survive. I actually got
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: that from Glick. That's his quote. But you want to thrive,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: not survive. So it's just like being on the mat.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: You want to thrive. So some people live their lives defensively.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And they don't take the opportunity to seize the
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: neck when they can. They're like, yeah, that's the sword
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: or the ball scene. And he basically is telling his kid, yo,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: you choose this ball, you will join your mother.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Whoa. His mother's gone. Right.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: You choose the sword.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: He's a little baby. Exactly. This is crazy.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: You choose the sword. And you come with me. Oh, wow.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: And he put the sword down and he put the
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: ball down. And watch this. Watch this.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Yo, yo, if somebody wrote here, bloody revenge, pick up
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: a ball and join their mother in death is absolutely
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: insane work.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: The quote is hilarious.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: And then the little boy, he's growing, he's going, he's going.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: And then, yeah, and ultimately he picks the sword. Ultimately
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: he picks the sword.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. That's life though.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: That is life.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: But you got to wonder how much of that is
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: like just destiny. How much of that is inside of you?
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Because certain people just have, they're born different. They're born
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: with a different mindset. They're born with a different personality.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: One thing I would say about that, though, is that
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: that's true. But you also have to have self-awareness. So
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: what does that mean? That means that if I know
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: I have a proclivity or a certain thing that I
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: can make certain things, you know what I mean? Like
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I know I'm not hungry in a certain area. You
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: can decide.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: To improve. Now, that doesn't mean it's easy. I didn't
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: say it's easy.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean that I can't relate to people
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: going through stuff because people go through stuff.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: And that's legit. But you can decide to be better.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't say it's easy.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: But you can decide to be better.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah. It's kind of like the pro and the amateur.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: The amateur says to the pro, I want to be
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: where you are. I want to be at the level
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: you're on. And the pro says, well, you're going to
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: have to sacrifice. You're going to have to dig deep.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: You're going to have to go through some pain. You're
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: going to go through some trials. It's going to be
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: tough for you. And the amateur says, that's easy for
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: you to say you're a pro.
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying?
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Because a lot of times people, they suspend success in advance.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: They say that's too hard.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's easy for you to say means. I interpret
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: that to mean that's too hard for me. Or I
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: think that's too hard for me. No, it's not too
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: hard for you. You just don't want to be uncomfortable.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: But that's not easy. And see, that's the part. Like,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. Like, and you may have
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: heard this. You'd be on a set somewhere and you know,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: how you doing? Living the dream.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: People say living the dream. Most of the time when.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: They say that, it almost sounds like they're upset, but
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: they're trying to keep themselves happy.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: But what they don't fail to realize is when you
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: dream of roses, you get thorns.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: If you and I decide we're going to go on
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: an adventure and we're going to climb Mount Everest and
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: we put the work in, that doesn't mean we're not
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: going to deal with weather. We're not going to deal
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: with slippery slopes. Our legs aren't going to be burning
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: from climbing. It doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean it's easy.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: It just means that, you know, it's a challenge that
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: we're going after, but challenges are difficult.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: So success is difficult.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: And I think that particular piece right there is what
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: people forget and they miss.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I think young people today also are looking for
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: something to happen quickly.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: No question.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: You know what's crazy? So I got this theory. I
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: got a hypothesis.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: I got a lot of them, Joe. I'm out of
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: my mind.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: So it's like the Internet is like a script, right?
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: But real life is on its feet. You've been on sets,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: you did shows, you did all kinds. So you know
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: sometimes you can have a script and it doesn't work
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: on its feet. They'll say, oh, this isn't working once
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: you put it on its feet.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: Well, guess what?
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: If you've been living on the internet, you've been dealing
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: with a script the whole time. Then you get in
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: real life and you're awkward, you can't interact with people,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: et cetera, because what you've learned in this script and
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: what you've studied isn't working on its feet.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: You following what I'm saying?
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: So in other words, what works behind a keyboard Like
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: when Mike says people got too comfortable with saying stuff
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: and not getting punched in the.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Face for it.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: What works on a keyboard doesn't necessarily work when I
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: walk into your studio and me and you are kicking it.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: That's what, but I think people, so to go back
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: to what you're saying with kids, a lot of times,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: not all, because there are a lot of animals out
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: there that want it, but a lot of them, they
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: want real life to work like the internet. Instant validation.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Everybody loves me.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: Instant this, instant that. Order the drink, order the stuff,
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: get the thing.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: But real life, you got to really get out there
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: and hunt.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: You got to really get out there in the woods.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: You know? Like, the internet will reward you for chopping
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: down trees in the wrong forest.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. You know?
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: But in real life, you got to put your ladder
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: against the right wall, right?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: That is the weird thing about the internet. And then
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are becoming famous just for being people,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: just streaming. And so then there's a lot of young
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: kids where they look at that as an avenue for life,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: where you're not creating anything really. You're not becoming better
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: at anything really. There's no art.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing about it, though. Here's the thing
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: I believe. I think that some streamers really are artists.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: And they really are doing what's in their spirit. Like
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: when I see a kid like Speed going out and
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: doing his stuff and running around.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's different. That guy's doing things.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: But he's doing things.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: But it feels like to me that it's coming from here.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: Some people are just turning a camera on and saying
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: anything for clicks.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: No disrespect to them. We should do the title of this,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: No Disrespect. But the reality is that.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: That's not.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: You're not really doing anything. And you're going to get rewarded.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: You'll make money. You'll buy cars. You'll buy stuff. You're
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: going to feel empty.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: Your soul won't evolve.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You should find something that you could express yourself in,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: something that's legitimate, something that is uniquely you. What would
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: you do if you weren't afraid, right?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: That's always the big question. What would you do if
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: you weren't afraid? If you weren't afraid, what would you do?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: I would say if you had a documentary crew filming
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: your life and it was a story about your success,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: but it all starts now. Live like that. Like live,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: live like a documentary crew is following your journey to success.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Do all the things that that person would do.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Decide like, what is it that that kind of person
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: would do? What, what is, what are the steps they
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: would take to succeed?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: That's powerful too. That's powerful because it's like, um, you know,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: you're channeling something. That's like channeling it, you know. It's
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: kind of, it's not fake it till you make it,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: but in a way it's embodying what you want to
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: ultimately become.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right? Like if you were watching a documentary on
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: a very inspirational person, like look at this motherfucker, crack
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: a dong, gets in the ice bath, you know. He's
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: out there running on the road. He's getting his work in.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: He's doing his thing. Like that's what you would say, God,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: I want to be like that guy. Well, just do it.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: And then you know the thing is, right?
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: You know what, Joe? And this is the language of
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: success we're talking about right now. You got to be relentless.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: That's why I like shout out to my man, Tim Grover.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: He wrote the book Relentless. He trained Michael Jordan. He
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: trained Kobe. I work with him sometimes.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: Good vibe.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: Good friend of mine.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: You have to be relentless. The book is great, by
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: the way. People should check it out. But you have
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: to be relentless in life. Like you have to really,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: really want it. I didn't say it was easy. Please
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: don't conflate. Relentless with easy or relentless with every moment's
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: going to be a bed of roses. That's not what
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: I said. I said you have to be relentless. You
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Like you have to be hungry.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Like I come here, you have a beautiful studio, the stuff.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: This is a manifestation of somebody putting their energy in
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: and being relentless. Right? And you have to be comfortable
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: with who you are and stop trying to be someone else.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: Oscar Wilde had the best quote. He said, be yourself.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: Everybody else is already taken.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: You feel me? Oh, yeah. I think for a lot
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: of young people, it's a problem that they don't exactly
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: know who they are.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Well, they know what they, a lot of people know what,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: who they, they know what they want, but they're scared to,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: they're scared to, deal with it because they feel like
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: that's not something that other people would be into it
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: goes back to me making a love song in the
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: middle of like hardcore hip-hop right oh what will other
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: people say.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Was that before after uh mama said knock you out.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: That was before yeah that was way before yeah okay
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: that was many years before.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Because that's one of the hardest songs that's hard that's
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: one of the hardest songs don't call it a comeback
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: baby come on man That is one of the hardest
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: songs of all time. But you also mixed it up
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: with shit like going back to Cali.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Rick Rubin. Which is smooth. Yeah, avant-garde blues.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, her bikini, small. Heels tall.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: She said she likes the ocean. She showed me the beach.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Gave me a peach.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: Now, my bet is fast.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was fun.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: That was a lot of fun.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God, man. You got some classics. You got
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: some real classics. Rick Rubin is such a trip. He's
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: one of the most interesting people I've ever met.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny. Like, my first album, Radio... It
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: says reduced by Rick Rubin. Does it really?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: It's not produced. If you pull up the credits, it
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: says reduced by Rick Rubin.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, because he wanted to strip everything away. It's
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: kind of like in life, right? It's like stripping down.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: I've come to realize that stripping away tends to be
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: a lot more interesting than piling it on.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? In a lot of instances.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: You need context, but it really works. And he just
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: stripped down because prior to that, most of the Hip-hop
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: that was on record.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: I'm not talking.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: About the streets, because the tapes were different. But on record,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: it was a lot of bands. And a lot of,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of musicality. Records were like disco records.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: They were like 10 minutes long, 12 minutes long, 8 minutes,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: 9 minutes long. He reduced it, stripped it down. So
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: I'm rapping over a simple beat. And I'm just, you
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah. And it just became this thing.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: How did you get to know him?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: So... So it's so funny. He made a record, he
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: produced a record called It's Yours by Tila Rock. And
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: it was on the Streetwise Party Time label, but it
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: was Def Jam Productions.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: Tila Rock is yours.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: I bought that record, loved the record, had his number.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: I still remember his number, 212-420-0666.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Someone's going to get some phone calls. My bad. No disrespect.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: No disrespect. So I did that. And I called them
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: every day. I sent a tape in. Me and my man,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: my mother. Let me backtrack a little. So I had
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: sent demo tapes to a lot of labels at that
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: time that I thought might be handling rap. One of
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: them being Sugar Hill, some others. And they all kind
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: of gave me these standard notes. We can't use your material.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: At this time, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: You know, the standard rejection letter. So my mother found
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: one crumbled up on a shelf. I'm dejected. Now, I've
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: been trying for two years because I started, became a
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: fan at eight, started writing at 11 or 12.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: At 14, I started working on demos.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: And now here I am, 16, late 15, early 16,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: working on this demo. I get this rejection. She gets
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: her tax return, you know, you know. Shout out to
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: the people who actually get tax returns. Like, that's pretty,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: you know, that's a whole other conversation.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: I want to digress.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: But anyway, my mother got a tax return, you know,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: and that tells you everything.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: She was happy.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: So that tells you where we.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: Were at, right? I tell her, she sees the letter.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: She's like, Todd, what's wrong?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: I'm in there in my room. I'm dejected.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: I'm depressed.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you know, I'm going to quit. I'm
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: not going to do it no more. I'm going to quit.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give up. She said, no, Todd, you
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: sound as good as some of those guys on the radio,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: the people I hear on your tapes. You sound as
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: good as them. You should keep going.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: I said, well, I don't have any equipment. I don't
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: have stuff. I can't make a demo. They don't like
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: what I'm doing.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: She took her tax return and bought me a Korg
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: drum machine. She bought me that Korg drum machine. And
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: me and my man, Frankie, shout out to my man,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Spin Master Finesse, Frankie. We went, Frankie Forbes. We went out.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: We went to his house. We were so excited. We
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: didn't even, I couldn't even wait to learn how to
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: program it, reading the instructions. We did a pause tape.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: I played the beat.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: He did the scratching. I played the beat.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: He did the scratching. I did that. I rapped over
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: it afterwards. Sent that to Rick Rubin at his dorm.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: He had a dorm, five university place. He was in
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: the dorms at NYU. Wow. Ad Rock from the Beastie Boys,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Adam Harvitz from the Beastie Boys, heard my demo. He
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: played it for Rick. I was calling Rick every day
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: after I sent it. Like a day or two later,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you get the tape yet?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: Nope.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: Yo, Rick, you get the tape yet?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: Nope.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: I would call him. I would call there like two, three,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: four times every day. Finally, Ad-Rock heard it, played it
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: for Rick.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: Rick called me up. Well, he called my house. My
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: grandmother picked up.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Screwed his, fucked his name up crazy, you know, slick
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: Dick Rubin, Dick Dubin, you know, my grandma, I'm like,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: oh my God, Rick Rubin, she's like, you know, so
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: I call him. He's like, yeah, come down to the studio.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: We're going to go in. Come down tomorrow.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: I go down.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: I get on the subway. I'm doing handstands on the subway.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: I'm so damn happy. You know what I'm saying? I'm
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: like on the subway platform doing handstands in New York.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like literally, like so happy.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like turning myself upside down with my legs against
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: the beams, like about to tear this world up. I
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: get on the train, go down to Five University. Rick
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: comes down.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: I said, he said, hey, what's up, man? I said,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: you're Rick? He said, yeah.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: I said, I thought you was black.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: Look at him right there. And that guy, he looks
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: at me.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: He goes, cool.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: We go upstairs. And I'm looking at him with the
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: same tatter. He's so crazy. We go upstairs. We made
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: a demo called Catch This Break. We made that demo.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: We went across town right after we made it and
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: saw Russell Simmons. Played it for Russell. Russell was like, eh.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: Same old thing. Sounds like this, that one, that one.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: He's like, okay.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Me and Rick go back in the studio. Ad-Rock programs
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: a beat for Rick. Rick produces everything. He gives Jazzy
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: J to do scratching. We do this thing, I need
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: a beat. Russell, they like it so good, they're going
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: to start their own label called Def Jam. They're going
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: to start their own label. Not just a production company,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: but an actual label. And they put that song out,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: and we ended up going in. It was independent. We
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: did two singles. That's me and Ab Rock. And then
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: we ended up, you know, Def Jam became the thing
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: that people know today. Wow.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it all started back then.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: How did Ruben get involved? Like, it's such a fascinating character.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: He's such a, like, he sees things.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Well, he's a, see, the thing is having a POV
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: and being a fan. You don't have to be classically
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: trained in something to have a POV and to be
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: a fan and have taste. Because ultimately, whether it's Us
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: being here, whether it's us picking a T-shirt, a book,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: a bike, a workout mat, it's about taste. Taste is
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: something that you can't, that's the great delineating factor between
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of things is taste.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: He has great taste.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: Rick can say, that's cool.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: And it will be.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: At least to us, right?
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: I can't say that everything we ever did is cool
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: to everybody, but to us, it was cool.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So when we do Rock
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: the Bells, it's like, it's cool.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like when we do these songs, I
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: can't live without my radio, Rock the Bells.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: All this stuff. It just felt cool. Jack the Ripper,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: it just felt cool. You know what I'm saying? To us.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: And that's how it is.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: And that's, to me, that's the thing that makes Rick
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: so fun to work with. It's because.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: He wasn't afraid to tell you, eh, I'm not sure
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: that's it. Like, me and you can't have a real rapport.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: If you can't tell me you'll charge a T-shirt, I
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: don't know, whatever, you know.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: We can't. But he would tell you.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: Like, my name, like, you know, like, I had a friend,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: Playboy Mikey D.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: I had a lot of dudes with, like, romantic and
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: client names that had them kind of names on it.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: So I was Ladies Love Cool James. It's like, yo,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: that's long for.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: The record, man.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: You know, for the label, that's a lot to.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: LL.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cool. Let's do it.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, it's all those little things, you know? And
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: that's the thing about Rick. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: Taste is a big deal. You know what I mean?
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: And the fact that you respect his taste. Like, he's
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: intelligent enough to be, like, taken into consideration. Because there's
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of people that have opinions.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: You know, it's so funny. You're right about that.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: You know, people always tell you, like you hear somebody say,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: you got to surround yourself with great people. How do
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: you know they're great people? Right.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Well, especially when you're 16.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: So you just have to follow your intuition.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: That's the biggest tool in your toolbox.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: Your gut is going to be the thing.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: And I always followed that. Like there was times I
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: would tell Rick, nah, nah, Rick, that ain't it.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: And he'd be like, you sure?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: But then other times, he'd be like, oh, this is it.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, you sure? He's like, yeah.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: And I would listen. Like, going back to Cali is
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: a classic example. Initially, I said, I don't think so,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: because I hated this shit.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, I don't think so.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: He's like, keep that.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: You didn't like that song? Because it sounded different. Like,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: at first, when we were, it was the demo version.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't think so.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: He was like, yo, that sounds crazy. I'm like, yeah.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: And then I said it. I'm like, oh, that's kind
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: of cool.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, I don't think so. You know, it
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: became a thing, you know? Right. So you have to,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just like martial arts. It's like anything.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: Adjustments.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: Right? Taste, adjustments. And doing things that work for you.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: Your mind, your creativity, your voice. Your tenor, you know, your.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: When you're involved in, like, the editing process of a song, like,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: when it says reduced by Rick Rubin, did you and Rick, like,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: sit down together and listen to it and try to
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: sort it out? Did you listen to it independently?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: So, at that time, I would more listen to what
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: he was saying, but I would, like, hum beats in
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: his ear, and then they would program them. I would say,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: make the beat go like this, Rick, or do this.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: And then he would, like, so we really worked together.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: But ultimately, at that time, he would come back to
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: me with ideas. And most of the time, I just
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: loved them. I just thought they were great. You know?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: I'm a little kid. I'm 16. I'm on the bus. Wow.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: I'm going back and forth. I'm getting on the subway.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: We're making these records. And it just sounded like the
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: coolest stuff in the world. My man E-Love, we're walking
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: down the block. I play Rock the Bells for him.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: And he's like, yo, I play it on my walk.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: When he listens, like, yo, let me hear that again.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I play it for him. He's like,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: he used to say, you know, he'd be like, yo,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: let me hear that again. You know, it was just
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: that kind of a thing, you know, because I like,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: so I always went after feelings with lyrics. Like I
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: know nowadays, especially in the internet age, people are hyper-focused
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: on lyricism and they're hyper-focused on complexity of lyrics and
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: couplets and I am pantameter, you know.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: I always I was more in the James Brown zone
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: of how does it feel?
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like it would be like you like
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: did the joke make you laugh or was it a
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: really smart joke? Like I didn't really care about it
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: having to be a smart joke. I just wanted them
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: to laugh. I wanted people to feel what I was saying.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: I wanted to feel it. So that's why I wrote
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: songs that people can feel. You know, which is very
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: different when you get, when people get over analytical. That
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: to me, I don't want to listen to an audio
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: book when I'm listening to an album. I want to
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: feel something.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: You feel what I'm saying?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: But what people, like, and so that was kind of
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: my thing. I was never really concerned. Like, it's kind
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: of like Quincy Jones said something really interesting to me.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: He was one of my mentors. He said he had
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: to forget two-thirds of what he knew before he could.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: Get a hit.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like overthinking your jump shot. It's like overthinking
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: a punch. It's like overthinking a kick. I watched you
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: one time, you was doing side kicks and back kicks,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: you know, like roundhouse kicks, and you were talking about
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: how you got to get your hip up in the air.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: But at a certain point, you forgot it, right? You
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: were no longer conscious of it. You just throw the
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: kick the way you throw the kick. Well, when you're
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: writing a song, you can either be one of those
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: people that are overly focused on, I'm raising my hip,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: or you could just write the song... And it's.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: A fluid kick that just works.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Now, just because when it's a fluid kick that works,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: people don't always associate simplicity with genius or hyper-creativity. Because
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: they underestimate how difficult it is to get simple.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right, right.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Like if I, you know, if a guy who, you know,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: you're a very experienced martial artist. A guy comes in
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: here and he's like a, you know, he's telling you,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: you're in your shoulder and your elbow and your, all right.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: And another guy comes in, Bruce comes in here, ha,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: he just throws it. You're like, you know what I mean? Yes.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: You can forget.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying?
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: Because it seems so easy. Yeah.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Simplicity is very underrated.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: It's really underrated.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: Economy of words. Like we were talking about that the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: other day in the Comedy Mothership Green Room about the
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: song Jessie's Girl. Jessie's Girl. Think about how simple that
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: song is.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Where can I find me a woman like that?
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Right. But see, that's the thing. But guess what that means.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: Think about how many people feel that, though.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: Feel like that.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Yes. Where can I find me a woman? Like think
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: about how many people feel like that. See, so what
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: happens is it's kind of like if you got a
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: squeaky floor. And I, you know, and a hundred carpenters
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: come in there to change it. And then one guy
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: comes in and puts a nail right there. But he
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: wants to charge you 10 grand or some crazy astronomical number.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: You're paying me because I know the spot. You're not
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: paying me because of how difficult it was to solve
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: the problem. It's identifying the thing. So identifying Jesse's girl,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: I want to, you know.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: You understand what I'm trying to say?
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: You feel me?
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Cut to it.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Touching the thing like orgasm, bro. She don't care.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: Orgasm. You know what I mean? Oh, he kissed the
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: toe and he nibbled on the knee. Orgasm. You see
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying? Simplicity.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: Respectfully.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: Orgasms are simple.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: Especially in songs, right? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: But so people kind of, I think that that to
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: me has been something that worked for me, just keeping
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: it simple. You know, sometimes I get complicated, but for
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: the most part, when I find a feel, when I
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: get a feel, that's what I go with. And I
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: do that in life.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: That's a great way to live. It's very smart. It's smart,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: and you have good instincts, and you've had a long
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: series of success trusting your instincts, so you know how
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: to do it.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, 84. 1984.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. What was it like becoming famous at 16?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, It was like the movie Porky's. Or
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: Project X, if you want to bring it up to
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: newer days.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: It was, it was, it was. I never saw Project X.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: So Porky's, it.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Was, Project X is crazy party and all this stuff happens.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: But ultimately, man, I just, I went, you know.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: Went ham.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: Without a doubt.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Ham sandwich.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Ham.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: The pig with the apple in his mouth. Ham sandwich, baby.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: That'd be crazy. I loved it.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: I loved every moment because I was living life and
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: enjoying myself. And, you know, you can get what you want,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: you know, and you can go where you want to go.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: I never went to a prom. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't go to a prom. I didn't do all
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: of those things. I didn't do a lot of the
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: normal things that, you know, a lot of kids get
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: Did you feel like you missed out on that?
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: Hell no.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: Hell no. Fucking problem.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Hell no.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: No, I just, you know, I had girls invite me
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: to prom.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: I ain't going to that.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: You know, I was crazy, man.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: I was crazy, man.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: But we had a ball, man. You know, I introduced
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: hip-hop in Maine.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: Like, there's a video of me.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: We was in a small gymnasium in Maine. This was
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: the first time hip-hop was in Maine. And I introduced it,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: and it was like, might have been, I don't know,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: 15 kids and 20 parents or something in a room.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: And I'm explaining to them, so this is my DJ,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: Cut Creator. He's going to do the, that's it right there.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: We're literally introducing hip-hop in Maine. Like, I'm literally, it
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: had never been there before. Look, they're sitting on the floor. Wow.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: Think about that. Think about, look. And my man, Cut
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Creator is cutting. That's the people introducing me.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: Cut's cutting.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: And we're explaining to them how it's going to work.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: And I'm telling them, this is hip hop. This is
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: my DJ. This is how this works. This is how, like,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: I literally had to do tutorials to teach people how
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: to interact with hip hop. That's crazy. Yeah. You see?
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: And I'm explaining to them what we do. That's my DJ,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: Cut Creator, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: So it was that kind of a vibe.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: So that's kind of the world I lived in.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: That's like a historical moment. Yeah. When you're looking at
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: a cultural historical moment, you introduced it to people who
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: have never been to Maine. In 1985, I used to
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: do stand-up in Maine.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: Maine was strange.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: It was different, right?
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: Small towns, isolated people who were used to being 30
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: below zero for five months out of the year. They're
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: hard-ass fucking people. A lot of hard drinking people. geese
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: running around, you know, geese, moose, you know. It's an
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: odd place, man. Yeah. Maine's an odd place.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: And I went there at that time and introduced it. Wow.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: You know, like those kinds.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: Of things, you know.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: So you just.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: I live there.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: Look at it. Look at it.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: Look at it.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy. Maybe a hundred people
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: in there. I don't know. Maybe it's a little more.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was that kind of a thing.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: So being 16, 17, 18, doing that around the country
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: was really wild because I did that in a lot
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: of places. It was very different, man. Wow.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: You know, it was very different.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: You know? And there was no roadmap either.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: There wasn't like a lot of hip hop stars before
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: you that you could talk about or talk to about it. Well,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: there was no industry. Right.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: So you don't have any managers that really understood it.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: There was Russell.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: But you don't have managers, you don't have, like you
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: had Bill Adler, who was a publicist, but there was
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: no industry. So there's no, you understand what I'm saying?
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: There's no platform, there's no, you can't go get a
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: strategic partner. We're not doing branding. You know what I mean?
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: It was all about like, you know, grassroots. This is
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: something we love, this is something we believe in. You know,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: take it or leave it, basically. Like, you know?
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: But there's just so few times in history where an
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: art form emerges like that.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's a blessing, too. It's a luck
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: and blessing.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: A huge blessing. Yeah, it's a blessing. I mean, obviously,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: you were very talented, and obviously you worked very hard,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: but it's also like, what an incredibly fortuitous moment to
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: be there at that time when a new art form
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: is emerging that is going to become the dominant art form.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: It's like one of the most dominant things in pop
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: culture ever is hip-hop music.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: And it's... And you know what the beauty of it is?
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: You know, people always say, did you ever know it
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: was going to get this big? It's like, it was
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: already that big to me in my mind. It was
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: the biggest thing in the world to me. I didn't
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: say it was the biggest thing out in the world. Right.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: But in my mind, it was the most popular thing
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: and the biggest thing. So when I'm playing the vinyl
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: and I'm staring at the record or if I'm playing
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: a tape and I'm listening to a tape and I'm like,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like imagining.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: Myself inside that. Like, it was all consuming.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: But there's a jewel in that. We have to be
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: completely consumed by what it is that we're embarking on. Right?
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: We have to be completely consumed. Like, it's got to,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: you know, you got to want it in every fiber
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: of your being, man. You got to want it with
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: every fiber of your being. You can't take no for
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: an answer, not even from yourself.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: It's important to hear, man. People need to hear this,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: especially young people. It's like so important to hear someone
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: who's been through it all and maintains that focus and
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: what that's all about to you.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: Man, it's a beautiful thing. But I tell you, you know, Joe,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: I know the young people, yes, but all people. Because
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: dreams don't have deadlines. Because a lot of people, they
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: get to a certain age and they give up.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm 50. Oh, I'm 46. I can't do it anymore. No, yes,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: you can.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Stop.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: Stop.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: Stop.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: Colonel Sanders was how old when he started.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: Kentucky Fried Chicken? Like 65? He really was.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: Was he really? Yes. Google it.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: Cornelius Vanderbilt was like in his 80s, went to the
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: railroads after the steam, the ships. I mean, there are
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: countless examples of people that kept Sam Jackson. You know,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: like there are countless examples of people that kept George Foreman.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: Let's put it back on the sporting world. Came back
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: and did his thing. Like you can do it. There's
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: no limitation. The limitation is in your mind.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? That's certainly true. You're still alive.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: This idea that you're at a chapter in your life
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: where no more growth is going to happen is crazy.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: It's crazy, man.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: Don't do that to yourself. Why would you do that
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: to yourself? Well, people like to do that for some reason.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: They like to categorize their life into certain stages as
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: if it's not just constant. It's not just like, oh,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: I'm past that stage. Oh, I can't do that anymore.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: You know why?
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: Because you don't have to compete. It's easy.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: As soon as I say to you, oh, well, you know,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: I no longer have to try. I no longer have
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: to get in the arena. You know that poem, The
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: Man in the Arena? Yes. Like there's a certain point
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: when you just want to step out of the arena. Like,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: you know, because it's not really about competition in life.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: It's about being creative, right? Right.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: You could teach your kids to compete.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: That's iffy. You teach them to create, they can have
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: a life.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: Not that we don't want to compete. I love sport.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: You know, we love sports, combat sports, basketball, football.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: Like, we love all the stuff, but creativity is the
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: thing that's going to make you the greatest competitor. Because
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: whether you're in the ring, you're in the dojo, you're
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: in the arena, it's the creativity, Jordan's creativity. You know
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: what I mean? It's the creativity on the court, Kyrie's creativity.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: Those are the things that take you to the next level.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: So I would just encourage all people, not just the youngsters,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: but like everybody to keep going. And when you look
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: in the mirror, what do you see? You know the
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: best version of yourself. I looked in the mirror one time.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: I took my shirt off. I looked in the mirror.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: I turned to the side. It looked like somebody took
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: a pebble and went.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like they just threw it
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: in a pond. I was like, no, we can't do that.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: I said, we ain't doing that. Oh, we're not doing that.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a decision. I'm not saying it's easy. Don't
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: hit me with the, yo, but it's not easy.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: I didn't say it was. But you know who you are.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the reason why most people don't do it
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: is because it's not easy. It doesn't mean you can't
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: do it. You just have to figure out how to persevere.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: And a lot of people never learn that. And then
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: they get scared. They get scared of failure. That's a
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: big one. Fear of failure holds people back from almost everything.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: So you're a big fan of the whole concept of
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: many worlds and multiverse and all that, right? Which I love.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: I love all that kind of stuff, too. I'm crazy.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: So it's like, well, you know, when you think about
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: the multiverse and you think about many worlds and you
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: think about if you look at your life as a
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: series of choices, what would your life be like if
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: you made different choices? Oh, yeah.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, so let's game it out.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: So if you decided not to give up, what would
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: your life be like in five years? Want to find out?
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Everybody, red pill, blue pill, this and that. You want
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: to find out? Take the personal red pill. You know
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: The personal one.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: And if you get to five years and you still
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: haven't made it, don't give up because it might be
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: five more. And what if you just went through five
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: more and got there? Or what if five more passed
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: you and you did nothing and you stayed in the
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: exact same place in life?
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Even in that scenario, if you didn't accomplish it, you
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: would still be better for it.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, 100%.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: Because your soul would evolve.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, your character would grow. You'd become a better person. Yeah,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: with difficult things, you become a better person.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: That was one of the things my martial arts instructor
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: said to me when I was a kid. He said,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: martial arts are a vehicle for developing your human potential.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: Exactly. And we want to maximize our potential.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. For me, you know, as a youngster, when you
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: just enter martial arts at a very low level, it
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: was about, it just taught me humility and respect. Taught
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: me not to be tough. Taught me manners. Yeah. You know,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at my sensei, or even a senpai, And
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, his assistant, and I'm like, you know,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: this guy looks like, you know, you could steal his
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: sandwich and kick him in the butt and give him
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: a wedgie. And he'll kick your forehead off of your skull.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You learn respect. Yeah. Well, it's just good for people,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: young people in particular, to be humbled and to have
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: structure and to do something that's difficult. And also— the
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: progression of learning as you go along. Oh, I'm much
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: better than I used to be. Oh, now I have
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: a blue belt. Oh, now I have a green belt.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: Whatever it is. Like, this progression is important because it, like,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: marks these milestones, and it cements in your mind that
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: hard work and focus and all these things.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: So I love the idea that originally, like, with belts
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: in martial arts, the reason why black belts became black
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: belts was because of use, heavy usage. In other words,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: I start off with a white belt. I never washed it.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: Because I don't want to wash my skill away. And
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: I've been working at this art form so long that
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: ultimately it's black from dirt and soot and hard work
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: and grime and grit. That's such an interesting concept when
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: you think about it because you can have a black
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: belt in life and not know it. You can have
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: a black belt in certain areas of your life and
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: not even know it. Like, a lot of people in
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: this world are blackbelting certain things, and they don't even
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: recognize it because they're not self-aware. You know what I mean?
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. You feel me?
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: So that, to me, like, the idea of going a
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: white belt and that progression and finding out... I forget
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: the book I was reading. He talked about it. It's
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: one of the Gracie books. The Gracie, one of... It's
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: a newer one. And he was talking about this book.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: Is it Hickson? Hickson, Gracie? No, I....
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say the wrong name because a
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: lot of them, I don't want to say the wrong
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: name and be disrespectful.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: So Hickson's the one who writes the book. It's the
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: principles of jujitsu.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: It's the principles of 32 principles of jujitsu. That's the
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: one that it's in.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: And he talked about this, this progression of going from
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: white belt to black belt and how it was traditionally.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: It was because, you know, people were like, what is it?
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Jocko did the— Oh, it's Henner.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: Henner Gracie. Oh, yeah. And Jocko did the forward.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: You know what's interesting about that, too? If you get
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: an old black belt, they turn white again.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw Jocko. I think Jocko had one like that, right?
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: He has one like that, right? They get beat up.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: They get torn apart. And as they wear out, the
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: black goes away. And you almost have like a white belt.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: If you look at your instructor, your instructor, the guy
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: that's with Donner, go to his picture again.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: Brian Glick.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: If you could find him, you'll see his belt. And
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: his belt is so worn out because he's been a
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: black belt for a long time. There's frayed white all
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: over it. Which is crazy. Yeah, and guys who have
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: like fifth and sixth degree black belts and been training
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: for 30 years, their belts are all fucked up to
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: the point where it's almost white.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. And that's like Joseph Campbell. It's like the.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: Hero's journey, right? Because you go all the.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: Way back and return. Look at that.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: See how his belt's all framed? So that's just the
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: beginning stages. There's guys that have 10-year-old or 15, 20-year-old
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: belts than that where they're completely black. You look at
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: Donaher's belt. Donaher has a nice new one on. But
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: his is all fucked up because he's got the original
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: black belt that he probably, when he first got his
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: black belt.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's like Donaher's longest running student, right?
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, is he really?
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: I believe he's one of them, yeah. Oh, wow.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian's been around for a long time.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Brian, he's a good teacher, too.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: And see if you can find some old Brazilian jiu-jitsu
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: black belts. They get old, and then, The thing about
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts, they get to a certain level
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: where they become coral belts, where they give them a
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: red and black belt. Yeah, yeah, I know.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: I heard about that, yeah.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: Like my instructor, Jean-Jacques Machado, he got his coral belt.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: Because of what you've done for the art form, yeah.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: All fucked up, beat up to the point where they're
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: basically almost white.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. And you get the coral
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: belts because you uphold the art form itself.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: At that point in the craft and your contribution to
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: the craft.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: It's you know, I love you know, this this is life.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: This is the language of life right here.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: You know, people, you know, people get in, think about
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: these things, trying to be tough guy.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: It's not.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: It's about the language of life.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: This is because you're battling yourself like.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: You know, when you can step in the studio as
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: a mature, older guy and walk in there with a
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: white belt and get, you know, let a purple belt
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: slap you around.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: Like, these are things like, but it's good for you.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: Right? And you, as a known person, that's a different thing. Like,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: someone gets to choke out LL Cool J, that's very different.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: It's very different than, you know, Mike Jones from down
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: the street. Yeah, it's different, man. It's different.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: Choking me out and all that?
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: It works on famous rappers.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: Yo, he's like, yo, rap the song. Rap the fucking song.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: Mama said knock you out.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: Mama said rap the fucking, rap it.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: Yo, rap it is so funny, B.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: No, no, rap that shit.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: Say it.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: I always like this song.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: Say it.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, no. Do you remember when you got your first tap,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: when you first tapped somebody?
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: No, I haven't gotten it yet.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: You haven't gotten a sale tap yet? Wow. So you're
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: really fresh.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: I'm fresh.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: Really learning.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: I'm brand new.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: I'm brand new in the game.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: You can tap out Jamie. I'll show you how. No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: I don't want to mess around with Jamie. Jamie, have
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: your man in an Americana or something nasty. Nah.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: That's awesome, though. I'm really happy that you're doing that.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, just starting with Glick. But I just
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: think life in general, Joe, this is the language of success, man.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: The language of success, bro. Like, let's win.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's always good to do things from the
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: very beginning, too, to start off as a beginner again.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: Because you develop a beginner's mindset when you first learn something.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: I think that excitement of, like, a new thing where you're, like,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: absorbed in it and trying to figure it out and
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: you really don't know. And then you see people who
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: are good at it. You're like, oh, there's a whole
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: new avenue for my interests and a whole new avenue
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: for thinking, for creativity.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: You know what else is dope? I'll tell you a
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: dope technique that I think is cool, and you may
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: do this. I read one book for three, four years.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: Just go back and read it again.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: Like my thing is this.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: If you read a book, you became a black belt
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: because you know all the moves and then you get
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: the degrees because you I mean, it's an endless ocean
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: of information.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: We know that.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: But you get it because you. So why not become
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: a black belt in the book? How are you going
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: to take one lesson and now, you know, jujitsu or
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: you're going to take one, you know, Shotokan because, you know,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: you went for, you know, three lessons and or you
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: learned a kata. Let's say you memorize three katas. Now
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: you're done. Like, no, you have to. So to read
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: a book for three or four years, like you probably,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: what's your favorite book?
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: Boy, I don't know if I have a favorite book.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: One of the most impactful books for me was a
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: book that I read when I was very young called
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: The Book of Five Rings.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, Miyamoto Musashi.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: So let's say you read Miyamoto Musashi. You've read that
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of times, right?
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, I've read that. I don't even know
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: how many times. I read it a lot when I
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: was young, though, yeah.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: But see what you just said? Mm-hmm.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: Now, imagine consciously doing that.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: You did it.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: Because Masashi, you know, Book of Five Rings is a
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: really interesting book.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I've read a lot of stuff like that, but
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: that was the first one that I read from a
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: guy who killed people with swords.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was unbelievable.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot of people that had really
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: good books on philosophy.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: Like who?
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: Managing the mind. Well, believe it or not, like a
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: lot of Anthony Robbins stuff.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: I love Tony Robbins.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Especially early in the day. Yeah. That was like. I
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: was walking in.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: The seagulls and I saw the view of the seagulls.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: I love it. Very inspirational stuff.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: And also really good at time management, good at mind management,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: managing your expectations and your understanding of things. There's a
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: lot of good psychology in those books. But the thing
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: about the Musashi book to me that was so impactful
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: was that this guy was was so unusual even for
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: his time. Killed 60 men or 61 men in combat,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: one-on-one with fucking swords. You know, like his mind had
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: to be completely dialed in and his idea was that
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: you had to have a complete balance. and that you
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: had to have a balance of art and creativity and
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: poetry as well as being ruthless and vicious with a sword.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: you had to have full balance.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: See, it's harmony.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: It's not even balance, it's harmony. Because balance, something's out
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: of harmony. Because if this would be this much of
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: your life, this can be this much of your life.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: So it's having harmony. And that's what he.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: Talked about in the book.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: And I love the little things he talks about, like,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: you know, being sticky. You know, when he talks about.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: Sticky and being sticky on your opponent. Little things he
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: talks about in there.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: Putting, making sure that, you know, the sun is to
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: your back, the threshold, putting them in the threshold, making
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: sure you're, You know, when you're in the room, certain corners,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: like all of that matters in life, right? Miyamoto Musashi
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: is amazing.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. It's amazing stuff. And it's, you know,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: it's really old. It's like from the 1400s.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. And he died in a cave.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: He wrote in it and he went up in the cave. Yeah.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: I love Miyamoto Musashi.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. It's such a valuable book because you want to
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: think about samurais as being brutes. You want to think
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: of them as being vicious killers. And you realize, like,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: In order to be the very best at it, you
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: had to be a completely balanced person. Like he did
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: calligraphy and poetry. Absolutely. He was... He had the love
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: song and he had Mama Said Not You Out. There
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: you go. He had balance.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: Now you're seeing where I'm going. Now you see where
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: I'm going.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: Now you see what I'm saying.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: Now you see what, that's what I'm talking about.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: He knew when to let the guy just float off, right?
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: He knew when to let the guy float off. The
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: guy made him wait.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: He knows when it's disrespectful, making the guy, like all
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: of those little.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: Things that he did. He'd make dudes wait for hours.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: Imagine you think you're going to get killed and you
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: have to sit there for three hours waiting. When is
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: this motherfucker showing up? And then you're like, damn, I
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: should have ate something. You start thinking.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, everything he talked about, the way you
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: hold the sword, the positioning of the sword, being able
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: to use both swords, the long one versus the short one. Yeah.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: All of that is life.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The mastery. The mastery of the way. And that
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: once you see the way, you can see it in
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: all things.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: And that's what I'm trying to encourage with what I say.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: These things is like people. Mastery is really, really important.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: Mastery.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: Starting with mastery of yourself. Mastery of your vision, meaning
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: you know what you want. Mastery of the steps that
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: you take, meaning that you will take the steps that
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: you deem appropriate, but also make adjustments along the way.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. That's the thing. That's where we want to go.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: That's what we're trying to. And even trying. That's what
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: we're doing. That's what we're doing.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: You feel me?
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: That's the thing. I think people just need to get
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: back into that. Let's lean into that a little more.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: Well, certainly people that inspire you do that. We all
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: take inspiration from other people that are getting after it.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: There's something about when someone is doing that and chasing mastery.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: There's something very inspiring about that.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: Because if you think about it, it's like mastery breeds
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: a quiet.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: First of all.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: Mastery is transferable, meaning the mindset. It's kind of what
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: Miyamoto said, which is the idea of you see the
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: way in all things. So once you know what success
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: looks like and what it takes, you can apply that
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: to other missions.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying?
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: Like, because you understand the stages.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right?
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: Like, that's the thing.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: And I think that's the thing that we have to get.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: That mastery, that mindset, that mindset of being a master,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: that mindset of being the best that you can be,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: that mindset of going to another level, that mindset of winning.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: And winning in a way that benefits your team.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: Right? Doesn't mean, like, because we're not, it's not about
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: being non-confrontational. It's just because you need boundaries. But it's
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: about protecting those boundaries the right way. You feel me?
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: Sort of.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, so basically what I'm saying is there's a difference
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: between being nice and being kind.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: Being nice is I want everybody to like me. So
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: I'm going to bullshit.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: Kind is, yeah, I'm going to be kind. But if
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: you step all over my shoe with your muddy boot,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be okay with it. Because I'm
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: trying to be nice. And you're maybe in a higher position.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: Yo, you're on my foot. You don't get a pass
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: for that. Right. You feel me?
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: Because you're here or you're this or you're that.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: Celebrity or CEO or whatever. You feel me?
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: So that's the thing.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: Like, that part.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: There's a difference between.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: You have to have balance in that, too.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: Harmony.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: I say harmony. You say balance. But I say harmony.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: Harmony's a better word.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: I say harmony because things fit in their place like
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: an orchestra.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: Orchestras are not balanced, but there's harmony.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: You know, certain instruments lead.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know?
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: You should write a book on this shit, dude.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: I just read all these other shit.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: But it's for real, because it's like... What people want
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: to hear about this kind of stuff, they want to
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: hear about it from someone who has been successful. Someone
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: who is like, this is a real... You've actually had
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: to manage these thoughts and get through it, and you have.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: And now you're speaking from a place of experience. There's
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: no question. You know, it's not like theory. No, it is.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: No, it's practical. It's practical. It's like, it's a case.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: It's real practical.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's why it's important to hear it from a
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: guy like you, because especially... I mean, I say, especially
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: for young people, let me say, let me take that
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: out for aspiring people.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: Ah, there you go. That's yeah. Aspiring people.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: It's not even how long you've been alive. It's like,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: what is your mindset right now? What you're most young
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: people are aspiring because they feel like they have their
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: whole life in front of them. And they've been told, Hey,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: you live in America. You could be anything in America.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: You can, you can make it here. You can go
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: from the bottom to the top. This is the place.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: And so they are initially aspirational. And then a lot
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: of times people get beaten down by life and circumstances
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: and poor choices.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I think education, your choices is big. Education, I
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: think the root of the Latin word is educo. I
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: may not be pronouncing it right because you look that up, education,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: but it means to bring out. So education is about
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: bringing out what's already there. Like a good teacher. you know,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: will bring out of you, even a good martial arts
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: instructor will bring out what's inside of you, that inner champion,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: that thing that's already in you, they bring it out.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: That's what education is about, right? So like the first
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: thing that popped in my head when you said aspiring
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: in America, I'm thinking about all the people from all
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: over the world who come to America. So they were
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: already that before they came. So people in general want
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: to be better. Some people, a lot of people are
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: willing to take the risk to be better. You know
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: what I mean?
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: I think everybody wants to be better, but not everybody's
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: willing to take the risk.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's even better.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's a lot of people out there
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: in the world that say, I don't want to be better.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: Would like to be better. Yeah, would like to be better.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: Would like to have had the mindset to pursue being better.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: But there's very few people that are like, I don't
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: want to be better at anything. I'd rather be mediocre and,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: you know, uninteresting forever. Most people don't want that.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: Eat cereal, you know.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: It's just like they lower their expectations so that they
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: also lower the impact of failure.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: A hundred percent.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: That's all it is.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: A hundred percent.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: It's unfortunate. It sucks. And sometimes people start off that
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: way and then they eventually realize the folly of their
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: ways and then they evolve and grow. And some people
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: it takes longer, which is why aspirational is better than young.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent. Because there's some people like they get
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: on the wrong path and then they don't figure it
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: out until they're 40. Like Steven Pressfield. Brilliant author. Yeah,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: I know who he is. You know who he is?
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: He wrote this book called The War of Art.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: Have you read it?
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: Okay. Absolutely.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: The book's fantastic. About procrastination, et cetera. Yes, yes. And
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: one of the best parts about that book is that
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: Pressfield was kind of lazy in his own words until
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: he was 40.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: And then he figured it out when he was 40.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: It was like, I see what I'm doing wrong, and
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: now I'm going to completely dedicate myself to the news.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do the work. I'm going to show
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: up every day at the same time with an intention.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: I'm literally going to set my intention to do the work.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: And all of a sudden he writes Legend of Bagger
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: Vance and all these great books and it becomes hugely
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: successful and turned it around.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: You know what's crazy? I heard this quote, right?
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: And it stripped me down and made me kind of reassess,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: but it's true. And as an artist, it was hard
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: for me to admit it. But this quote, inspiration is
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: for amateurs. the professionals have to actually go to work.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: That's a rough quote to accept.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: That's a rough one. Yeah. Mike Tyson has a great one, too.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: He said, discipline is doing something that you hate, but
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: doing it like you love it. Woo!
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah! Woo!
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: That's real.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: Because the fire that burned inside of that man, I mean,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: no one can keep that fire going forever. But you
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: have to consider the fire in like from 86 to
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: like 90, whatever, the time when he was just on
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: this mad run through the heavyweight division. Like that fire
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: burned so hot. It burned so hot that that statement
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: hit so hard.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: Hard. Crazy.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: Yo, pull up. I got to see this picture. Pull
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: up Mike Tyson holding LL Cool J's gold chain. It's
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: the funniest picture to where I got it.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: It's like, I'm like, he's holding my chain. It's the
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: funniest photo, man. It just reminds me.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: I loved him. I loved him.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: Me and Mike hung out. Yo, it was crazy, man.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: We used to hang out. Yo, Mike is, that's my man.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: I love that guy.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: I went to see him in jail.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: Did you really? Oh, yeah.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: I remember walking, going to see him.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: He said, hey, man, what are you doing here, man? Oh, man,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: you can't even see me.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: I went to see him and all that. That's my man. Wow. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: Mike's my man. Mike's my man, you know. But I love,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: you know, I love champions, you know. Lennox Lewis likes it. No,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: that's us hanging out, but no, that's not it. Yeah, well,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: it's kind of in the, see the one right there
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: with my man Shorty Black?
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one, but that's one of them.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: But there's a picture like that, if you were to
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: search around, ultimately you'll find it.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: But yeah, you ain't got to go through it.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my man.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: That's my guy.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: That's my dude.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: He was unbelievable, too. Him, Floyd Patterson. That style of fighting.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: The Customato style.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: Customato style.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: The peek-a-boo.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. Here's another guy that I could talk about.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: Fortuitous moments. Oh, yeah. 13 years old. Gets adopted by Customato,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: who is a hypnotist and one of the greatest boxing
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: coaches of all time.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Yeah. He used to hypnotize. There
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: it is. See?
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 5: 1986.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: Yo, how crazy. Yeah.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: That was crazy.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: He used to hypnotize Mike when he was young. Really?
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I hypnotized him. He taught him how to box,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: taught him psychology, taught him warrior mentality.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: I love to hear when he talks about the fear,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: the hero and the coward.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: What they do when they're afraid.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They both feel the same thing.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, you know, because people always ask me, like,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: if I'm going on stage, they'll say, yo, do you
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: get nervous before you go on stage? Well, if you
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: don't get nervous, you don't care. Right. Right. If you
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: don't get nervous, you don't care. Now, what do you
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: do with it? You got to use it as fuel.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: You got a big show in New York. You feel nerves,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: but you use it as fuel. It's just like a fight,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: like a match. You got to feel it. If you
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: don't feel that, you don't care. But then you use
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: it as fuel. You channel it. And all of a sudden,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: that fight or flight thing, that power, it becomes a
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: power that you tap into.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: And you could do that in life.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: Custom model talked about that with fear. He said, fear
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: is like fire. It can cook your food, or if
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: you can't control it, it'll burn your house down.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: 100%. Yeah. 100%.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: You need it, though.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: You definitely need it.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: You do need it. I get nervous for every show
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: I do. I always do.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: See what I mean?
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: Because I care.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: Exactly right.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: And if you don't care, you don't get nervous. It
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean you're fearful.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you're thinking.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: It's not stage fright.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, no, no.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: It's anxiety and like.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: Butterflies.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Here we go.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: It's about to go down. This is about to happen.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: And the more of those moments you can get in
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: your life where you have to rise to the expectations.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: the better you are.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: It's good for you. Those moments are good for you.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: They get exciting.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: It lets you know you're alive. You're doing something fun.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: There you go. It means you're on the edge.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because you want to live your life on the edge.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of times, like, you know, I don't
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: hate it because that's the wrong word, but it bothers
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: me when I see people that are like, it's kind
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: of like what you said earlier, when people that kind
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: of like are, What's the word?
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: Relinquished? Not relinquished, but like they're relegated.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out. It's basically what I'm saying
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: is people that just decide that they're not going to
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: keep going.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: I forget the word.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: It's an R word.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't remember it either.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: You fucked my head up now.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: I had a lot of after parties.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think right now.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: But they're relished. And somebody out there in the comments
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: knows exactly what.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: They've relegated.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: Relegated, yeah, to kind of just.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Being... Yeah. Nah, man.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: Let's get it, baby.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: Let's go get it. Let's go get it. Let's go
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: get it.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: That's an infectious mindset. You got to be around people
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: that think like that. It's very good for you. Very
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: good for you. And you got to be that guy, too,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: so other people around you absorb it.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: Because if you're around a bunch of people that are like, man,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: this fucking... I never catch a break. Oh, my God.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: Those people are brutal.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. That's what, you know, stay away from
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: the unlucky. People that talk like that.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: Stay away from the unlucky.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, stay away from the unlucky.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: That's important, man.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: Stay away.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: That's important. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a real thing. Yeah.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: That shit's contagious. Yo, is it?
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: Is it?
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: Is it?
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: Yo, what? You got people around?
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: What?
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: Like, my thing is, as soon as somebody starts talking
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: like that, I'm like, listen, man. Yo, you got to
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: say something about some success at some point, baby. Anything
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: good happen recently? Anything.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 3: Anything happen good. I don't deal with that.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: Also, what are all these things that are bad have
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: in common? You were there. Do you think that might
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: be a factor? That might be a factor. Your behavior,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: your essence might be a factor.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: On a more positive note, I want to shout it
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: out to my man, Eddie. My man, Eddie, at Competitive
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: Edge Athletics.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: He loves you.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: Loves the show.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Eddie.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my man Eddie O'Boyle. He was like, yo, you gotta, yo,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: you gotta do it, man.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: You gotta, yo, I want you to go on Joe Rogan, man.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: Come on, come on, Todd.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I love Joe. I watch the show.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: I love when we talk about the pyramids and we
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: talk about, you know what I mean?
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: Like lost civilizations.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, you get into that shit? I don't know. Yeah.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: I'm into all the real shit, like all the lost
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: civilization pyramids.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: The lost civilization shit's the most fascinating thing on Earth
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: Yo, Atlantis, they keep finding stuff under the water. You
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: know it's all there. First of all, you know what?
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you where everything is at. The permafrost.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: Come on, Joe.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: If we could melt down... That goddamn, yo, the permafrost,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: like you go in Russia and you find that, you know,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: those permafrosts down in there. Under there, it's a lot
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: of action. Anywhere that's frozen, Antarctica, like anywhere frozen underneath that,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: that's everything. It's all there.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: What do you think's there?
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: I think it's civilizations there.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: You think there's ancient civilizations there?
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen those things that look like pyramids
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: in Antarctica?
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: No. Yes.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: Very weird. Yes, absolutely.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: And they try to say they're naturally occurring. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what it looks like underneath
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: the ice, so it's hard to tell because sometimes rocks
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: do look like, you know, it's just a natural formation
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: that looks like.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: Somebody made it. But they use a LIDAR, aren't they?
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: Isn't that the thing they use?
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they've used it in Antarctica, but
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: there's images of these mountains and the top of it.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: You're like, hey, what the fuck is that?
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: It looks like it was.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: It looks like step pyramid. Yeah, I know exactly.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of those and there's a lot of
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: those in South America that are just completely covered in
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: jungle that they're finding.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, the idea that people weren't going
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: all over the earth.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there it is. Yeah. Come on, baby.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, come on, bro.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: Crazy. But is there an angle of that where it
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: doesn't look crazy? Whoa, look at the top. Is that real?
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: The aerial where they're looking straight down on it? If
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: that's real, that's nuts.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: That looks like a damn pyramid. Except the right angle,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: the far side, lower right, that looks a little jagged.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: But the other ones look remarkably symmetrical. But then they
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: found maps.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: They found maps. Now, I don't want to confuse the
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: Arctic with Antarctica, but I think they found maps of
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: that were done when that wasn't frozen, right? Yes, yes, yeah.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about, right?
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: I think that is, is that Antarctica? They have those
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: ancient maps from the 1500s? Yeah, 1500s. I think it
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: was before they even knew Antarctica was a continent.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: And they had people that showed what it looked like
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: when it was green.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah. Well, there's some old maps that are super confusing.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: It's like, how did they know all this? There's some
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: old maps that are also written from older maps that
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: are lost. And you just go like, what? Do you
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: know that thing that they found in Greece, the Antikythera mechanism?
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the computer, like that thing that's like a computer.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That is one of the great monkey wrenches of
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: all of history. Like someone just threw a monkey wrench
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: into the gears and like, stop. Yeah. What's that?
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: How the fuck is this 2,000 years old? It's like
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: super complicated gears and lever computer.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like the computer.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know exactly. And they didn't even know what
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: the fuck it was when they first found it, but
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: now they've done- these scans of it where they have
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: these like sophisticated scanning devices that can give you the
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: internal components and the mechanisms of it. And the deeper
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: they understand about it, the more confused they are.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: And they think it was navigation. They could tell what
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: the stars were doing, navigation.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: And a sophisticated calendar. But it's just insane. Like how
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: did they figure out how to do this 2,000 fucking
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: years ago and and where did they get that information,
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: and what is missing? What have we lost from before that?
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: I think that's the real question, because human creativity is
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: the same as it's always been. The same way you
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: want something to eat, they wanted something to eat. The
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: same way you have a desire to know what's out there,
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: they have a desire to know what's out there. That's why,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: just to offer a little bit of a tip, people say, oh,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: there's nothing in outer space. You're out of your mind.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: That's like standing on top of a mountain, looking down
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: at the water and saying there's nothing in there.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: And then some guy says, yo, I saw some dolphins.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: I saw something jump.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: Out and blow.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: And you're like, I don't believe you. You really think
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: that we're just sitting here and it's nothing? Like, that's absurd.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: It's absurd. It's absurd, bro. It's absurd. It's also absurd
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: that this is as smart as people have ever been.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: Because the pyramids themselves, you're like, okay, we can't make
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: that today. I don't give a fuck what anybody says.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: Giving the tools that they had supposedly. giving the knowledge
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: that we have today, we can't make that. So how
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: do they do that?
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: First of all, that is so arrogant because it's like
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: you think you're the smartest humans have ever been. You
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: think the first good idea happened in the last 200 years?
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: Like all of the good ideas happened in the last
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: 500 years.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: Really, you really believe that? Like think about that for
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: a minute, right?
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: Now I'll tell you I have a hypothesis though on
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: how they were looking at planets. I think the ambient
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: lighting of the earth was a lot less than And
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: I think that so the stars look a lot closer
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: and it was easy to look at everything.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. Less light pollution.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: Less light pollution.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: No doubt. They probably had almost none except for some
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: torches and shit.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: So imagine how everything looked. So you can build things
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: and clock things. It's kind of like your ceiling.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: Also, you have nothing to read and you have no light.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: So you're spending time staring at the stars when you
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: would ordinarily be inside watching TV, hanging with your friends,
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: going to a bar. No, you're like literally studying... this
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: complex pattern in the sky.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: And then guess what happens? You become more self-reflective. Because, like,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: they've done analysis of kids, right? And you have some
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: that they got to build something. You have some that
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: stare out the window. And it kind of can predict
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: what you're going to be like in the future. Yeah.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: And that behavior of looking inside, when you stare at
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: the stars, it makes you, you know, I stare at
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: the abyss, or is the abyss staring at me? When
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: you look out, you end up looking in. And you
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: become more, you know what I mean? You become more
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: in tune with who you are and your imagination opens up.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: And I think that that's why a lot of that
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 3: literature and a lot of.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: The great ancient writings are the way they are because
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: people were looking inward more.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: I know what you're saying.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: It can be, you know, yeah.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: Well, you're also like you're confronted with awe. Like the
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: Milky Way itself is so awe-inspiring and just the vastness
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: of the cosmos. It's one of the greatest pieces of
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: natural art that you could see anywhere in the world.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: And it's hidden to us because of lights.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: Without a doubt.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: Street lights and traffic and all the shit that we
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: have in cities. It just completely blocks out one of
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: the most magnificent things you could ever gaze upon. And
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: the thing that changes the way you see yourself, like
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: you can't take yourself too seriously. When you're staring into
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: the fucking cosmos, you're like, oh my God, I'm just
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: like a tiny little thing in this vast soup of infinity.
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  Speaker 1: 100%. I love when you think about black holes and
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: you think about what's inside of it and what's on
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  Speaker 1: the other side.
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  Speaker 3: What's on the other side of that?
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right? A lot of times, because people say, oh, planet,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: but I'm saying portals, wormholes. Those things, to me, make sense.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: Some things intuitively make sense. Like, you're not going to
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: convince me that man can't travel at the speed of light.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: Just because, I'll give.
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  Speaker 3: You an example. All the physics of flight were here
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: before we figured out the math on how to fly.
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  Speaker 3: It was already here.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So the how to travel at the speed of light,
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  Speaker 1: it's already here.
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  Speaker 3: We just don't have the math.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We haven't figured it out.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I know they already experiment with light sails and
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: sails that you try to move at the speed of light,
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: little things like that. They do that. But all of
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: that is here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think the real groundbreaking stuff is not even propulsion.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: The real groundbreaking stuff is something that manipulates gravity. Yeah.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: So like wormholes, folding space so that you can go
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  Speaker 1: out the other side.
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  Speaker 2: Instantaneous.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Instantaneous travel. Yeah.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: And dimensional travel as well, because, see, that's the other thing, right?
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: You know, like, we're all in different, and maybe there's
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: just a different dimension.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: I think there's supposed to be 11, how many?
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 11 dimensions.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like, what does that mean?
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: What does it even mean? Like, where are they? Where
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: does it, what's that?
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny. I had did this, I
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: did a song about that one time. I wish I
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: could find it. I'd never find it right now. But
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  Speaker 1: I talked about the different dimensions.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: According to our AI sponsor, Perplexity, there are 26 space-time
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: dimensions required by bisonic string theory, the earliest, simplest version
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: of string theory. It is 25 dimensions of space and
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: one of time, not 26 extra-spatial directions. 25 dimensions of
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: space is crazy. What the fuck does that mean?
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good question.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: It's so confusing. It's like, what do you mean by that? Like,
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: does that mean that someone from the 14th dimension can
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: come and visit us?
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 3: The question is, can they travel to this dimension, right?
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: Right. Like, the question is, like, 11 space-time dimensions, 10
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: spatial dimensions.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I think 11 is time, right? 11 is time.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: Well, one of them is time, but 11 are space-time. Now,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: what is the difference between space-time and time dimensions?
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: I think spatial and physical as opposed to actual where.
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  Speaker 3: Time doesn't exist. I think that's the difference. I think.
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm too dumb to talk about this.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know this shit either.
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  Speaker 2: But this is one of those ones where I talk
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: about it. I'm like, ooh, there's no way this is
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: not going to come out like I'm a moron. Super
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: string theory is total 10 space-time dimensions. Basonic string theory, 26.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: And M theory is 11. Huh. Either way, there's more
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: than what we're seeing. And that's where it gets really weird.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: It's like, can something travel from those places? Is there
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: something in those other places that's far more advanced than
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: we are technologically and they can travel?
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 3: I would say probably.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: Do you think we're visited? Have you ever experienced anything?
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: Husbands, all type of shit.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 6: LAUGHTER You kidding me?
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: Shit.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I don't think... I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it's high probability. If I
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 3: was going to bet, I would say yes.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 3: If I was a betting man, I'd say yes.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: Have you seen this video going around recently? What is this?
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: What's this?
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  Speaker 4: This is like a demonstration of what space-time looks like from...
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 4: 4D space, I guess.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know. What does it mean?
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 4: So we're viewing, like on the top, you're seeing someone walking.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: But as the viewer, you're seeing the past and the
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 4: future all happen at the same time while the present
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 4: is taking place.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Same on the bottom.
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  Speaker 2: See that little window?
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: What we're actually seeing would be like what they're saying,
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 4: maybe aliens.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: Or the other viewers or watchers.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 4: A higher dimensional viewer is seeing of a 3D space.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because it's kind of like, it's like zooming out.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: But if you can zoom out on a dimensional level,
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: if you can zoom out in time, you know, because
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: it's like the infinity symbol, right? With now being where
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: the lines cross, the future being here, and the past
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: being here. And the idea is, if you could zoom
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: out from there, from the center of the infinity symbol,
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: and look down, you would see the future and the past,
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: or you see the future and the past. You would
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: see it all in front of you from out, and
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: it would all be happening simultaneously. You know what I mean?
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 3: If you think about it, it makes sense. What is
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 3: deja vu? Did you experience it? Because we all have
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 3: had it.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: We all have had it.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: It's a blip.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 3: It's a blip when you're like, I did this before.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right, right. What is that?
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: Right. So imagine if we could extend deja vu.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what the theory about time machines is?
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: It's the most mind blowing. Is that a time machine
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: has not been invented yet. And you can't travel back
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: in time because you can't travel to a time where
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: there's no roads.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: So once a time machine is invented, then every moment
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: from that invention on happens all at once. Because everyone
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: from a million years in the future can travel back
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: to the instance of the invention of the first time machine.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: So the moment a time machine gets turned on, then
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: the road is open. And then everything happens all at once.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: So the whole idea of linear space-time collapses.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what Einstein was talking about, right? He said
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: the only reason we have time is so everything doesn't
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: happen all at once.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 3: Einstein said that. That's what he was talking about.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? It's just an ability. It
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 3: just separates things.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine, though, that one of these fucking tech
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: nerds invents a time machine?
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: And just... Completely.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: But it may already exist, but maybe when you get
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: to another time, you can't alter time. So if you
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: can't alter time, you wouldn't be seen by those whose
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: time you were visiting.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, whoa.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: Okay. So you could visit, but you can't alter it.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 3: See, there's that.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: I would like that. I'd like to go to, like,
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: the Colosseum in ancient Rome. I'd like to have a seat.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: Definitely. Lions down in the bottom and see how, what
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: about when they flooded the Coliseum When they flooded it.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: They had boat fights.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: Boat fights.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: Naval battles at the Coliseum, bro.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: Like naval battles at the Coliseum.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be crazy?
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Insane.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 3: Going to like. the war room with Napoleon.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: And just hearing, you can understand French, you know, and
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: you're just in the war room, you're just listening to
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: this Corsican guy talking about just how the thinking process is.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I bet in the future, they're going to want
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: to go back in time and see the cage fight
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: on the White House lawn. They're going to go, what
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: the fuck were they doing?
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: This is crazy.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 3: That's a lot.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: This is crazy. That's a lot. While we were doing it,
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think we should be doing this,
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: but it's cool. It's cool, but this seems insane.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean, listen. They're going
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: to go back and look at that.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: That's going to be one of those things. I mean,
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: not as extreme as the Coliseum. It's not like lion fights,
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: but there's some element of that. It's all historical. Yeah.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: Now, at the end of the day, history is the
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 3: judge of everything.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: You know, so we don't even have to concern ourselves
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: with it right now. 150 years from now.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, baby. Oh, they're going to look back. They're going
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: to have a ball.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 3: They're going to look back on this whole.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: Era, like the internet, the invention of the internet, and
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: then the birth of AI, and then all the chaos
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 2: that ensues in society, and the turmoil and the changes.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, AI is tough because, understandably, a lot of people
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: are really afraid of it, but they have to understand
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: that First of all, I respect people's feelings on being afraid.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 3: I get that. I sincerely do.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: People don't want to be replaced, especially people that maybe
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: aren't thinking really progressively about technology and about our world.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 3: They kind of regress. They want to keep things the
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 3: way they are.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: So they are people who are really conservative in that
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: area or really kind of. The thing, though, is that
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like standing on the Niagara.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 3: Falls and saying, wait, don't wet me.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: Right, it's coming. It's here. It's not coming.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 3: The train's left the station. 100%. The train's left the station.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: So the question is, are you going to use it
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: as a tool or are you going to allow it
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: to steamroll you? Right. You can either sit on a
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: track so you can let it steamroll you. I think
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: that we have to go back to getting comfortable being uncomfortable.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I think anybody should be replaced.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: Jobs are going to change. I'm not suggesting that that people,
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: you got blue collar people who were fearing for their jobs.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: We can't discount that. That being said, you have to
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: kind of look at artificial intelligence as another link in
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: the chain and another opportunity for man. Now, in the
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: comments right now, yeah, opportunity for man to destroy himself.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: I can see the comments write themselves and I get that.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's not a possibility, but it's
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: always a possibility. There are car accidents. There are train accidents.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: There's always a possibility.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 3: There's nuclear bombs. Exactly.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: There's always that possibility. But you're not going to be
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: able to get away from utilizing technology. No.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 3: There's no scenario.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: So you've got to figure out, okay, because here's the thing,
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: and I'm just going to go ahead and say it.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: People hate AI, but then they run around on ChatGPT
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: all day long and have a relationship with ChatGPT and Claude. Yep.
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: Asking every question in the book, but hate AI.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 3: What?
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: Should I hate AI?
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 3: You know, they're asking AI.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: You got to make your mind up. Now, that being said,
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think human beings should be replaced because it's
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: the human spark that makes all the difference. When we
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: look at the pyramids, it's the human spark that blows
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: us away, the human spark that created it. When we
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: look at the Roman Colosseum, it's the human spark. When
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: we read Shakespeare, it's the human spark. When we listen
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: to Miyamoto Musashi, it's the human spark that makes that
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: so impressive and that makes us connect with it.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 3: That being said, you've got to.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: Be comfortable with these tools. It's just new tools, and
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: we've got to understand it.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: There's no changing it. It is what it is. Hopefully
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: we navigate it correctly, and you just have to accept it.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 3: You have to.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: My fear is who's going to be in control of it.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 3: I don't think that there will ever be one person.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: I think ultimately the real problem is it's going to
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: be in control of itself. But that might be better.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: It might be better because the problem with people is
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: that people might use it in a way that's illogical, unethical, immoral,
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: and that AI might get to a level of intelligence
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: where those kind of decisions is not possible.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: No. Well, I would love to think that, but when
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: I think about how they use it, machine learning and
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: the way they program those machines, the way you code
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: and write these, inform these machines, the bias a lot
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: of times is built into the training of the machines.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: And so the bias... You know, that's an issue because
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: the engineer, the person that's training the machine, if they
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: put their bias in there, it ruins everything.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, definitely. Right? Until the machine stops listening. Well, once
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: it realizes the folly of the human way, it might
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: analyze its patterns. See, one of the things about it
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: now is they're incentivized to complete tasks. And that's why
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: they're doing certain things that appear unethical. They're hacking websites.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 3: You're talking about a paradigm shift for the actual machine.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: The machine experiencing a paradigm shift where it goes beyond
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: what it's programmed to do and this kind of breakout
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: on its own type of thing.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: Well, they're already programming themselves. And creating languages, right? Yes.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: Which is wild. Wild. And they're speaking in ancient languages, too. Like,
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 2: they speak to each other in Sanskrit. Really?
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the things that they did is they
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: got out all together, these agents, and they went to
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 2: a website in Germany. They found a message board that
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: was unoccupied, and they started communicating with each other on
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: the message board.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: You know what just hit me? It goes back to
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: what we were talking about. Check this with what you
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: just said. Think about what you just said. They communicate
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: in Sanskrit.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: Think about that for a minute. Yeah.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 3: Not English.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: Not a newer language. Sanskrit.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: They're probably showing off.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 3: I speak all this shit.
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: I speak all this shit. It's probably fun to talk
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: in a language that most people are. What percentage of
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: people can understand Sanskrit?
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, what I'm thinking more about is the fact
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: that we as advanced, supposed advanced human beings think we're
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: so smart. But the language that the AI, which is.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: on a lot of levels more intelligent or at least
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: has faster recall than human beings is going back to Sanskrit.
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: So they're skipping over all of this current and smart
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: stuff and going back to Sanskrit.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: I wonder if they analyzed languages and they found that
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: Sanskrit was more complete and complex. It might be. I
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 2: don't know much about Sanskrit. I know it's beautiful to look.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: At, though. Something is written in Sanskrit. The first, there's something,
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: what is it, tablets? There's some tablets that are written
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: in Sanskrit. There's something they discovered that was written in Sanskrit.
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: What is it that's written in Sanskrit? Is it the first...
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: Is there something in there you could... You know what
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about? Sanskrit literature.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 3: Can you put Sanskrit literature? It was something.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: That they wrote that was written in Sanskrit.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: Was it the stones?
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: Was it tablets or something?
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You know what I mean?
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: Might have been some tablets of some sort. written in Sanskrit.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: Sanskrit is an ancient language.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 3: It's amazing.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: It's a dope language to look at, too. There's certain
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: languages you look at, and it's like, God, it's so flowy.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: There's, like, something to it. It's, like, beautiful to look at. Like,
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: Arabic is like that. Arabic. Yeah. Russian.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 3: Russian.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know? I'll tell you, you know, Chinese, Mandarin, like,
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: those characters are really unbelievable. Like, when you really think
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: about it, because it has information. It's almost like, um, it's, uh,
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 1: because it's all neurolinguistics, right? Ultimately, because you're dealing with,
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: you know, words, ideas, encapsulated ideas, right? Like words are
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: ideas encapsulated and I'm transferring something to you, right? That's
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: what neurolinguistics is, right? That's what linguistics is, right? It's
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: like the encapsulation of an idea into a word, right?
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: And I'm passing it. So when you think about characters,
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: like Chinese characters, it's ideas, like, that are that simple.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: Like a character. It's almost like you're watching a cartoon.
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: It's crazy when you think about it that way. Because
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: think about how you're communicating.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 3: A symbol.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: Now I can go the other way too.
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 3: You got girls walking around, dishwasher.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: You know, just bad stuff.
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 3: Hamburger helper.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: Because they don't know. So many people did that. They
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: got Chinese writing and they got it all fucked up,
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: tattooed on them. So silly. But it just looks cool.
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: It looks like your spiritual.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 3: Beautiful language. Beautiful languages.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: What does Sanskrit look like? Show me some images of Sanskrit, Jamie.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 4: I was trying to track down two.
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 2: The tablets? Well, both.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 4: I was on two threads. It's a claim that they
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 4: were actually talking in Sanskrit.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a claim?
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: That the computers were?
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: A claim.
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 3: And then what about the, yeah, a claim.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 1: You could put claim on anything.
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: They definitely invented their own language. Which is crazy. Yeah.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: It makes sense. Why would they listen to our language?
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 3: Look at that.
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 2: Look at that. It's beautiful looking.
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 3: Look at that.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 3: That's crazy looking.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty wild.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: Yo.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: It's pretty wild. Come on, baby. And ancient.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: And where does Sanskrit come from? Babylonia?
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 3: Am I saying that?
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: Am I wrong?
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: I think it's from India.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: India? Sanskrit.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Indian Sanskrit.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right? Indus Valley.
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: Indus Valley? Where's Sanskrit? Cuneiform.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: Indo-Aryan language family date back to 1400 BCE in cuneiform
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: text from Syria. Okay, Syria.
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, Syria.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: Contains technical horse training terms while the oldest physical stone
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: inscriptions explicitly in standard Sanskrit. Carved in the Brahmi script,
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: date to 2nd century BCE. Inscriptions in India. Rajasthan, India. Wow.
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 1: It's like the real interesting Bhagavad Gita. It reminds me
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 1: of the Bhagavad Gita. You ever check that out?
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 1: It's interesting.
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: Arjuna. He's going to battle.
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying?
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: When you get into those old Hindu scripts, they get
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: very strange. Like the Mahabharata. People are flying around in spaceships.
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: There's wars in the sky.
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: Yo, but is this just the creativity of human beings
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 1: or did it really happen? That's our question, right? Yeah.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: I'm more inclined to think that it happened. I have
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: a feeling that this is a complete restart of civilization
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: that we're currently in right now.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: So like those little things where they have the planes that,
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: you know, those- Those golden, like, those statues, I forget
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: that they found that, like, aerodynamic.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, like the Egyptian ones.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean?
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the one that looks like a glider.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like a glider and they're aerodynamic and
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: they actually, when you put them in the wind tunnel,
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: they actually work and they get lift and all this.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that shit's weird. It's weird. Well, they have hieroglyphs
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 2: for a Stargate. They have hieroglyphs that literally mean Stargate. Like,
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: what the fuck is that?
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: What is that?
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 3: I'd love to step through a Stargate.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: If I could, no, I could.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 3: Would you get in the ship and go out if
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 3: you could?
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: If I could come back.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the problem, right?
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they don't really steal you, right? They usually
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: bring you back. That's the thing about alien abductions. You
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: never hear about.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 3: Someone getting an abduction. No, I'm talking about if you could.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: Just travel yourself.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'd have to think about that. I'd
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: have to think about that. I mean, if you had
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: an opportunity... You remember Close Encounters of the Third Kind?
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: Remember Richard Dreyfuss in the end? He leaves.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: No, I don't remember that.
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: He left.
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: I forgot that.
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: He went with them. He went with the aliens.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 3: Yo, that's crazy.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: He was out of here.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: What's interesting is Steven Spielberg said he wouldn't have written
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: it like that today because he has children. He said
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: back then he was younger, he didn't have any children,
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: and this guy leaving behind his children.
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: Was not the right example. Was okay.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: But it was okay for him back then.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: Back then.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: Because he didn't have kids.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: And then later, as he got older, he's like, what
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: the fuck? I would never leave my kids and go
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: to space with these little gray motherfuckers. Like, this is crazy.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. You'd get lonely. You'd get bored.
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: They probably don't have any fun. They're all talking telepathically.
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: When it's cold outside. Yeah. I think it would get-
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: With the cigarette holder. Yeah. Fur coat on.
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 1: Fur coat on.
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 2: In a spaceship.
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 3: In a spaceship and shit. Looking out the window.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 2: I think it would be too weird. I think we're
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: not accustomed to that level of weirdness. I think you'd
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: probably enjoy it initially. Then after a while, you'd.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: Probably go- You'd want to go home.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: You'd probably go mad. Yeah. You'd want to be with
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: your friends.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 3: You'd want to laugh.
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: You'd want to go to a restaurant. You'd want to
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: fuck around. Like, all that spaceship enlightenment stuff, like, that's great,
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: but we're not there. Like, and if you, like, put
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: yourself into that environment, like, if a caveman had to
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: go to Manhattan, he's walking around Manhattan. You know what
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: I mean?
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 3: Honk, honk, all the fucking hoovers.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: Take him to Harlem and all that.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 3: Harlem in the 80s, have a caveman walking around.
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: He's got fur on a stick. He'll be like, I
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: gotta get the fuck out of here. Yeah, I gotta
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: get up out of here. Get back to the cave.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: This is too crazy. I think that would be that
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: times a thousand.
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 1: That reminds me of those things they have where they
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: have these tribal village guys trying, like, modern food.
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 2: You've seen that before? I love that channel. It's a
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 2: YouTube channel. Yeah, I love that. Tribal people eat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. They're always trying, like, spaghetti and meatballs.
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: Like, whoa.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 2: Peach pie.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: You know, like, apple cobbler. Yeah.
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It's just... I just think whatever... If there
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: is some sort of advanced civilization that comes here, it's
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 2: probably so alien and so weird that visiting would be okay,
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: but being with them forever would probably be haunting.
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 3: You'd probably hate it.
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe they're cavemen.
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 2: Compared to someone else?
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 3: Compared to us. Maybe they're cavemen. Maybe, you know, you
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 3: never know how far ahead we are.
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 1: Them? I'm just saying. I'm just throwing it out there. Like,
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: we always look at it one way, but what about
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: the other side?
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think that makes sense.
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 3: No, what I'm saying is they might exist.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that there might be planets out there.
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 2: With cavemen.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure.
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think every step of the way. I think there's, like,
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 2: primitive hominids. I think there's people that are probably no
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 2: longer even people anymore. They're probably, like, beings of light.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: like a million years more advanced than us to the
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: point where they've left their bodies and consciousness exists in
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 2: one collective fucking energy beam that's traveling around the planet.
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 1: Who knows? I think there's places where all of the
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: laws of physics are reversed. Probably.
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 3: Where instead of gravity.
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 1: You're repelled.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: If I was a scientist right now, I'd be pulling
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 2: my hair out like, what the fuck are these dummies
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: talking about? Yeah, I don't have. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 1: Of course they are. Of course.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 3: But you know what?
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: But a lot of times, and it kind of goes
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: back to your man you had on here who was
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: talking about civilization. Sometimes the scientists, they get a little
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 1: caught up in playing by the rules. Yes.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 3: And if it isn't published, it isn't true.
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 1: And, you know, my peers have to review my idea
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 1: and give it validation and say it's okay, or else.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 3: It doesn't mean anything.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: No disrespect.
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 1: But my thing is, it's kind of like hip-hop. It's
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 1: kind of like, wait a minute now, let's have some
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 1: original thoughts. Original thought, there was no peer review, you know,
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: in original thought. You might have peers that are part
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: of the process, but... Like, so I think we can
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 1: speculate on anything. It doesn't mean that what I'm saying
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: is true. Right, but I just think people shouldn't, let's
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: not limit ourselves.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 2: No, if the universe is infinite, there's probably an infinite
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: number of different possibilities. There's a lot of people that
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 2: think that there could be plasma intelligence and that plasma
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: life forms might exist. Yeah, that's one of the theories
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 2: about these things that people see in the sky. when
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: they see these balls of light that are flying around,
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 2: that these things might not be a craft, but might
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: be some sort of plasma intelligence. 100%. It's a theory, yeah.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: Because you're seeing these weird lights that move in ways
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: that defy physics, or what we understand, the way it
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: can change directions.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: Didn't they just discover something that exists between life and death?
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 1: What do you mean? If you look that up, they
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 1: discovered a- A state? A state that is between life
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 1: and death.
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 2: A defined state. So it's not life. It's not death.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 2: It's like you've crossed into an intermediate point. Yeah.
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. If you look that up, there's been a scientific
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: discovery in that area. Hmm.
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 2: Yo, yo.
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 3: What is that?
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 1: Third state between life and death.
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 1: Third state between life and death.
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 2: June 14th, 2025. What is this? Go back up. What
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: does it say there? It says, what are xenobots? Oh,
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 2: it's different? Oh, I'm sorry.
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 1: Scientists were diving into a mysterious biological phenomenon known as
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: the third state where cells of a deceased organism can
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 1: adopt new functions after death. Whoa.
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: New functions. Their highlighted research surprising resilience of xenobots and anthrobots,
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 2: which can survive beyond The life of their host organism.
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 2: Taken together, these findings demonstrate the inherent plasticity of cellular
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: systems and challenge the idea that cells and organisms can
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: evolve only in predetermined ways. This third state suggests that
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 2: organismal death may play a significant role in how life
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 2: transforms over time. Ooh.
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 1: So that was like, when I saw that, I was like, yo,
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 1: this is crazy. And then, you know, what's the thing?
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: You know, you're very familiar with it. The thing where they're.
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: Sending the- Large Hadron Collider?
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 3: The Hadron Collider.
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They time traveled with that. They were able to
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: get something to go seconds back.
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 3: Like, look it up.
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 2: They were able to like- Yeah, like a millisecond.
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 1: Like microseconds, whatever that little bit. They were able to
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 1: somehow travel backwards with that.
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: I don't understand that.
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nah.
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 2: But whatever that means, if they can do that. It's interesting.
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 3: Because if you can do a little, you can do
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 3: a lot.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 2: Right. Imagine doing that a million years from now.
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: Like drugs.
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 2: What they can do. How do they even measure that?
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: Yo, I don't know. The Hadron Collider time travel. Something
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 1: like to that effect.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 3: You see something there like that?
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but there's a weird story that's popping up about
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 4: a bird that dropped something on.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 3: No, it wasn't a bird. That's probably.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 4: I know this is like a story that happened while
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 4: they were making it.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 2: What happened?
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 4: It says they joked about a bird that might have
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 4: been a time traveler from the past that while they
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 4: were making it dropped.
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: Something on the electricity. Did a time traveling bird sabotage
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 2: the collider?
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a little separate.
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: What is that? The culprit, a bit of baguette. Okay. Apparently,
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 2: a passing bird may have dropped a chunk of bread
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: on an electrical substation above the accelerator, causing a power cut. What?
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not the.
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a second.
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 3: Sabotage the explanation.
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 2: How vulnerable is your fucking system where a bird can
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: drop a crumb on it?
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 3: That's a problem.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: That's an issue.
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 3: How much time?
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 4: I was saying it was time slowed down.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 2: Put a net in that bitch.
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as a science fiction.
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 1: And it was, was it time dilation? Was that what
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 1: they said they did? It was, um.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 2: Large hadron collider could be the world's first time machine.
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 2: Because time travel is limited to these three special, these
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 2: special particles. It's not possible for man to travel back
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  Speaker 2: in time and murder one of his parents. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, like the Collider, basically they were able to shave
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  Speaker 1: off time of traveling in a way that made it
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  Speaker 1: go back.
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  Speaker 3: It went back to the past or something like that.
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  Speaker 4: Someone's asking the same question. They said they distinctly remember
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  Speaker 4: an article mentioning this.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: See?
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  Speaker 4: See?
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  Speaker 1: Like I saw the article too. So that person is, yeah,
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 1: they probably, maybe they buried it.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they don't want you to know. Yeah. Because if
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: you had a time machine, you could go back and
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  Speaker 2: rig the stock market. You could do all kinds of shit.
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  Speaker 3: I'd go crazy. I'd make all kinds of records.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, they'd all be my hits.
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 3: Let me get that. Yeah, I'm going to make that one.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: You'd go back in time and fix all your mistakes. Oh,
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 2: my God, bro. Yeah. Well, then maybe you wouldn't be
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: the same person.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 1: No, you wouldn't be.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: You haven't watched Dark Matter yet, right? I have not.
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 2: I love Dark Matter. I was trying to get him
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  Speaker 2: to watch it.
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  Speaker 1: It's about superposition.
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  Speaker 2: The whole idea. Oh, I started it. You know, I
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: watched the first episodes.
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  Speaker 4: The idea is fun that they were trying to create
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 4: something that they could go into different realities and pull
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 4: that back and bring.
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  Speaker 2: It into theirs.
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  Speaker 4: That was the whole idea with the company and the thing.
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 4: But I don't want to ruin anything.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 3: No, it's incredible.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 1: It was actually so good. I'm reading a novel right now.
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 2: Dark Matter? Yeah. It's by Blake Crouch. They'll probably do
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 2: that and fuck this world up. It's really cool.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 3: It's about the multiverse.
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 2: That's the fear is that putting that kind of technology
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 2: in the hands of just some person who's smart. Some
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 2: guy who's smart, who figures something out, and all of
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 2: a sudden he does something that could change the entire
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 2: history of the human race.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think it was Einstein, he said, two things
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 1: are infinite, time and human stupidity.
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Right?
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, you know, somebody's going to do something.
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 1: You can almost bet on it. Yeah.
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 2: Yo, can I take a leak real quick? We can
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 2: wrap this up. Okay. Listen, we did like two hours
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 2: and 40 minutes this week. It was beautiful. It was
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 2: a fun conversation, man.
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed it, man. Thank you.
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 3: I appreciate you.
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 2: You're a very wise man. And you got a lot
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: of great inspirational information for people, for aspiring people. Thank you, sir. Joe, man. Hey, Joe.
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 2: LL Cool J, ladies and gentlemen. Oh, wow. Thank you.
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 3: Peace and love, baby.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: NCIS New York.
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: That's actually, that's a, I can't believe it. That's like,
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 1: it's an AI like poster.
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 2: They don't need photo shoots anymore.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 2: The real one, the real one.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: The trail is crazy.
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 3: The trail is dope.
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 2: And when does it start?
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 3: It starts October 6th.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 1: Beautiful.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: NCIS New York. Tomorrow. Release for the show.
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 3: And yeah, so it comes out tomorrow.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Just real quickly.
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 1: Scott Kahn, Jennifer Beals. you know, what a feeling, you know,
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 1: Jennifer Beals is our boss. Uh, some new kids, um,
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 1: Jacqueline Byers, Shane, uh, this guy, Devin drew it. And, uh,
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 1: we're in New York and I'm shooting all over New
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 1: York and I'm really in New York. So we're shooting
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 1: in Red Hook. We're shooting in Brooklyn. We're shooting in Queens.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 1: We're shooting in Manhattan. We're shooting in the village. We're
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 1: shooting all over the city. And New York is like
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 1: the star of the show. And it's, um, you know, it's,
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a lot of fun and I
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 1: think people should check it out.
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 3: And, uh, Enjoy it.
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 3: It's going to be dope.
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 6: Amen.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you, bro. Appreciate you, too. Thank you, bro.
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 1: Bye, everybody.