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Episode Two Hundred Forty Two: Monkeys and Dolphins · The Death Of Journalism

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  Speaker 1: Welcomed to episode two hundred and forty two of the
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  Speaker 1: Death of Journalism podcast. My name is John Zigler. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host on today's show. Amidst the controversy over the
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  Speaker 1: cover up of his medical decline, Joe Biden announces that
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  Speaker 1: he has just been diagnosed with aggressive prostate cancer, but
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  Speaker 1: no one seems to believe the timing. CNN's Jake Tapper
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  Speaker 1: does two very different interviews to publicize his Biden cover
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  Speaker 1: up book that Jeffrey Epstein didn't really kill himself. Maga
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theory takes another bizarre and hilarious turn. The WNBA
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  Speaker 1: season starts off with yet another bogus racism scandal and
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  Speaker 1: the bonker's backstory of my remarkable interview with sportscasting legend
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  Speaker 1: Bob Costas. We begin this episode of the podcast with
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  Speaker 1: probably the biggest political news of the past week, which
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  Speaker 1: is that former President Joe Biden has announced that he
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  Speaker 1: has aggressive prostate cancer. And the most interesting element of
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  Speaker 1: this story to me is the reaction to it and
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  Speaker 1: how cynical it has been on virtually every level and
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  Speaker 1: from almost every aspect of the political perspective and spectrum.
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  Speaker 1: The reality here is that because there is so little
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  Speaker 1: trust in the news media and so little trust in
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  Speaker 1: anything that comes out of Team Biden, especially after the
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  Speaker 1: cover up of his mental decline, or the attempted cover up.
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  Speaker 1: The cover that worked with regard to Democrats and the
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  Speaker 1: liberal media, but average people were clearly always clued into
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  Speaker 1: regarding his mental decline during his presidency. The reality is
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  Speaker 1: that no one believes anything at face value anymore. And
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  Speaker 1: I even had my friend Matt Lauer, charter member of
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  Speaker 1: the elite to liberal media, former NBC Today Show host,
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  Speaker 1: text me that he had suspicions about the timing of
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  Speaker 1: this announcement simply because obviously he is in Biden is
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of a media firestorm regarding stories that
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  Speaker 1: expose just how pronounced his medical and his decline medically
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  Speaker 1: and his mental acuity during his presidency, and how he
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  Speaker 1: should never have been running for president in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously the Jake Tapper book Original Sin has been
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  Speaker 1: getting a lot of attention, and there's been other stories
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  Speaker 1: that have been related to this entire topic. And so
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  Speaker 1: I think very naturally and understandably, people not just on
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  Speaker 1: the right, but even you know, like I said, my
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  Speaker 1: friend Matt lau Or and others I've seen online who
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  Speaker 1: would not be considered right wingers are going, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: how is this possible that it is by coincidence? Right
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  Speaker 1: before Jake Tapper's book comes out, this diagnosis is revealed
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  Speaker 1: to the public and is said to have happened now
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  Speaker 1: that this is the first time that Biden and his
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  Speaker 1: doctors knew that he had this aggressive form of prostate cancer.
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  Speaker 1: My reaction to all this, again, the first part of
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  Speaker 1: this I find the most interesting, is that we now
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  Speaker 1: have so little trust in anything, the news, in Team Biden,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is, that immediately people who would ordinarily in
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  Speaker 1: years past just accepted this news on face value and
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  Speaker 1: accepted the idea that, oh wow, that's terrible, what a
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  Speaker 1: weird coincidence that Biden is the subject of all of
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  Speaker 1: these stories and it just so happens that he gets
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  Speaker 1: diagnosed with aggressive prostate cancer. But now we're in a
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  Speaker 1: much more cynical age, and I understand it, I get it,
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  Speaker 1: I share the cynicism. My concern though, is I'm always
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out a logical explanation for things and
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  Speaker 1: make things make sense in the larger picture. Is the
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  Speaker 1: timing if this was really contrived. If this diagnosis had
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  Speaker 1: been in you know, the real world, had it happened
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  Speaker 1: a long time ago, and they were just waiting for
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  Speaker 1: the right moment to drop it, why didn't they drop it?
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  Speaker 1: If they were trying to get sympathy and try to
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  Speaker 1: diffuse all of the negative coverage surrounding the cover up
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  Speaker 1: of the decline and his mental acuity, why didn't they
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  Speaker 1: announce it a week or two sooner? I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: was on the View. That would have been a perfectly
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  Speaker 1: great time. If you're doing this purely from a pr
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  Speaker 1: perspective to gain sympathy and empathy, why wouldn't you have
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  Speaker 1: announced this diagnosis on the View in front of a
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  Speaker 1: very sympathetic audience and you know, mostly liberal panel, almost
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  Speaker 1: all to depending on your definition, liberal panel on the View.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't do that, And it was well known that
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  Speaker 1: that Jake Tapper book was coming out and that this
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  Speaker 1: was going to be a major topic of news conversation.
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  Speaker 1: So I am not inherently believing of this idea that
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  Speaker 1: this was all contrived, that this was just a way
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  Speaker 1: to try to distract and diffuse from this conversation that
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  Speaker 1: the media has now suddenly been having way too late
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  Speaker 1: about Joe Biden's mental decline and how he never should
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  Speaker 1: have run for president in the first place in the
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four campaign. That being said, if you look
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  Speaker 1: at the normal course of events when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: prostate cancer, it does seem far fetched. Well, I'm certainly
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  Speaker 1: not an expert. You know, you can learn these things
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  Speaker 1: pretty quickly, and I'm getting on in years myself, and
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  Speaker 1: I know a lot of men that are in Joe
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  Speaker 1: Biden's age category. This is a pretty regular set of
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  Speaker 1: circumstances where normally it gets diagnosed, but there's nothing at
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  Speaker 1: a certain age that you're recommended to do about it
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  Speaker 1: because because unless it's aggressive, you're far far more likely
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  Speaker 1: to die of something else. In fact, Joe Biden himself
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  Speaker 1: right now, even though he has this aggressive form of
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  Speaker 1: prostate cancer, regardless of when it was actually diagnosed. Even now,
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  Speaker 1: the prognosis apparently is that he will live at least
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  Speaker 1: another five to ten years before this kills him. And
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  Speaker 1: to that I react, well, there's very little chance Joe
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  Speaker 1: Biden is going to be still alive to die of
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  Speaker 1: prostate cancer. There's no way Joe Biden is living another
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  Speaker 1: ten years. I mean, unless it's somehow like Jimmy Carter
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  Speaker 1: was living the last five or ten years of his life.
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  Speaker 1: But there's very little chance in my view, just statistically
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  Speaker 1: and given the nature of his general physical decline, there's
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  Speaker 1: no way that Joe Biden has another ten years in him.
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  Speaker 1: So well, it sounds very very serious and dire and
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  Speaker 1: terrible and deserves some level of sympathy and empathy. And
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  Speaker 1: I get the cynicism about the timing. To me, just
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  Speaker 1: to review, if this really was a purely cynical political ploy,
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  Speaker 1: they would have announced it at least a week sooner.
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  Speaker 1: That's number one. But I also get why people are
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  Speaker 1: confused that how is it that the President of the
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  Speaker 1: United States, who gets regular checkups, could not know that
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  Speaker 1: he had some form of prostate cancer before it became aggressive.
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  Speaker 1: Because this doesn't happen generally overnight, and there are those
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  Speaker 1: who will claim well at a certain age, because of
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  Speaker 1: the fact that you're unlikely to die of it, doctors
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  Speaker 1: don't even necessarily recommend you get tested for it. I
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  Speaker 1: find that hard to believe. I am with the cynical
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  Speaker 1: crowd there, especially when you consider that at one point,
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  Speaker 1: I believe this was in twenty twenty two, Joe Biden
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  Speaker 1: said in a public speech that he had cancer. Now,
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  Speaker 1: of course no one knew, no one knew how to
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  Speaker 1: interpret that, because he could have just made a blunder
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  Speaker 1: where he was clueless or misspoke whatever. So that's how
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  Speaker 1: little credibility Joe Biden had even then, that he could
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  Speaker 1: make a statement publicly that he had cancer and no
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  Speaker 1: one really believe it, and no one really even investigated.
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  Speaker 1: But it's certainly consistent with the idea, which would be
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  Speaker 1: very very normal in these circumstances medically, that he had
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  Speaker 1: prostate cancer, but that it was not an aggressive form,
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  Speaker 1: and that it was at his age, not something that
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  Speaker 1: warranted radical treatment, because prostate cancer takes a very long
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  Speaker 1: time to kill somebody, and when you're at Joe Biden's
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  Speaker 1: age already, there's a very high likelihood that something else
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  Speaker 1: is going to kill you first. So I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what the reality here is. I'm of a big believer
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  Speaker 1: in self interest, And if I had that diagnosis and
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  Speaker 1: I was looking for sympathy and I was looking to
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  Speaker 1: diffuse the story of his mental decline and the cover
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  Speaker 1: up of it, I would certainly have allowed this information
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  Speaker 1: to come out sooner. So as bizarre as it sounds
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  Speaker 1: and as weird as it appears to be, while I
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  Speaker 1: don't have a strong belief in it, I tend to
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  Speaker 1: actually believe that this was when the aggressive diagnosis of
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  Speaker 1: his prostate cancer came to be. That it just is
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  Speaker 1: a weird coincidence. It also doesn't seem to be working
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  Speaker 1: that well. President Trump, in typical Trump fashion, put out
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  Speaker 1: a written statement that clearly wasn't written by him, that
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  Speaker 1: was very high road and very gracious, and he even
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  Speaker 1: got some praise in the liberal media for it, talking
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  Speaker 1: about his sympathy or for Joe Biden and he hopes
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  Speaker 1: he gets better and all that. And then once he
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  Speaker 1: got in front of a camera, Donald Trump was leading
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  Speaker 1: the conspiracy for Grade Brigade, basically saying that this doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make any sense, and you know, tying it to the
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  Speaker 1: entire cover up of his mental decline while he was
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  Speaker 1: in office. And now Trump is even making the argument
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  Speaker 1: that Biden wasn't even president for a large portion of
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  Speaker 1: his term, and then whoever was needs to be held
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  Speaker 1: accountable because it was treasonous. And so you know, Trump
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  Speaker 1: is being Trump. And look, I get why, especially conservatives
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  Speaker 1: have no reason whatsoever to be trusting of anything that
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  Speaker 1: the media tells them about this, especially the left wing media,
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  Speaker 1: or anything that the Team Biden tells them, because Team
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  Speaker 1: Biden has already made it very very clear that they're
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  Speaker 1: willing and able to cover up and lie about his
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  Speaker 1: medical condition. So they have absolutely no credibility on this whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm just telling you, based upon my rating of
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  Speaker 1: the Tea leaves, I think it is possible. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying I know this to be true, or that I'm
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  Speaker 1: even confident that it's true. I think it's possible that
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  Speaker 1: in this particular case, things are exactly as they appear
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  Speaker 1: to be, with a lone exception of I'm not buying
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  Speaker 1: that nobody on Biden's medical team, with that Biden himself
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  Speaker 1: didn't know he had some form of prostate cancer. I
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  Speaker 1: just find that really very difficult to believe based upon
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  Speaker 1: my understanding of how these things evolve. Now as far
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  Speaker 1: as the relevance of this, I mean, obviously, Biden's a
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  Speaker 1: former president. He was not going to live for much
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  Speaker 1: longer anyway. I don't believe he's going to die, as
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  Speaker 1: I've already said, of this aggressive form of prostate cancer.
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  Speaker 1: He will die of something else or natural causes well
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  Speaker 1: before then, I believe. But what this episode does show
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  Speaker 1: is that, just as I had been saying constantly during
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  Speaker 1: this podcast and when Biden was still the Democratic presidential nominee,
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  Speaker 1: my mantra was, if you vote for Joe Biden, or
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  Speaker 1: if Joe Biden wins, you're effectively gonna get maybe ten
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  Speaker 1: years of Kamala Harris. That was always my theory that
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  Speaker 1: what was gonna happen here was that Biden would try
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  Speaker 1: to survive, you know, through a long enough period of
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  Speaker 1: his second term, handed off to Kamala Harris, and then
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  Speaker 1: she would theoretically be able to serve up to ten years. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, people scoffed at that, John, how could she
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  Speaker 1: possibly you know, win two terms because she's terrible. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: but she would be the first female president under those circumstances,
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  Speaker 1: and that's a completely different set of circumstances. That's a
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  Speaker 1: different ballgame there. People don't seem to understand that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: thankfully that scenario was avoided, but this prostate cancer diagnosis
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  Speaker 1: pretty much seals the deal that that's exactly what would
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  Speaker 1: have happened if Biden had stayed in the race, and
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  Speaker 1: if he had won, then let's say, by the way
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  Speaker 1: Trump had been killed in the assassination attempt, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think Biden ever gets out, and I think Biden probably
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  Speaker 1: wins and at some point, probably after the second year
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  Speaker 1: is up, so that it would have allowed Harris the
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  Speaker 1: longest time theoretically possible to be president under the Constitution,
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  Speaker 1: that he would have resigned from office. And this is
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  Speaker 1: further evidence of that. Now, one of the many things
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  Speaker 1: that has happened in the last week or so related
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  Speaker 1: to the cover up of Joe Biden's obvious mental decline
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  Speaker 1: while in office, obvious to everybody outside of the Biden
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  Speaker 1: White House and the liberal mainstream news media, was that
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  Speaker 1: the interview that Biden did with special counsel Robert her
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  Speaker 1: was released. At least a large portion of it was
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  Speaker 1: released to the public, the audio of it. Now, this
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  Speaker 1: was interesting from a media perspective because it was put
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  Speaker 1: out there by Axios, which is a liberal media outlet,
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  Speaker 1: and it also happens to be the outlet of Jake
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  Speaker 1: Tapper's co author of the book Original Sin. That seems
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  Speaker 1: more than coincidental to me that that's where this audio
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  Speaker 1: was leaked to and the audio is really quite devastating.
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  Speaker 1: But this goes directly to how broken the news media
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  Speaker 1: is and how totally wrong they were, the mainstream media was,
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  Speaker 1: the liberal media was, and the way they handled this
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  Speaker 1: entire topic of Biden's mental decline from the beginning. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the timeline here is very very important. Biden did this
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  Speaker 1: interview with special counsel Robert Hurr in October of twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty three. There was still plenty of time for Biden
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  Speaker 1: to get out of the race, and in a remotely
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  Speaker 1: rational world, that's what should have happened, because this interview,
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  Speaker 1: to me, is the worst I have ever heard Biden.
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  Speaker 1: And let's be clear, you know, my theory on Biden
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  Speaker 1: for a long time was he's awful on a day
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  Speaker 1: to day basis, but that for the big events he
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  Speaker 1: can still at least somewhat get it up. We saw
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  Speaker 1: what happened with the State of the Union address, where
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  Speaker 1: he was bad, but he was at least energetic and
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  Speaker 1: exceeded expectations. He was not able to get it up
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  Speaker 1: for the debate obviously with Donald Trump, and that was
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  Speaker 1: the end of it for all intents and purposes. But
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  Speaker 1: you would think an interview under oath with the special
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  Speaker 1: counsel would be one of those moments. It was not,
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  Speaker 1: And the transcript of this in the report that her
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  Speaker 1: released was already pretty devastating, but it's very different to
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  Speaker 1: actually hear what Biden was saying and how he was reacting,
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  Speaker 1: as opposed to reading it. And you may recall that
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  Speaker 1: the general liberal media reaction to HER's report was that
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  Speaker 1: this was political, that Her was somebody who was doing
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  Speaker 1: a hatchet job on Biden when he said that he
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  Speaker 1: couldn't recommend charges against Biden because no jury would ever
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  Speaker 1: hold him accountable because his memory is so awful that
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  Speaker 1: he would be perceived as a doddering old man, and
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  Speaker 1: therefore there would be inherent reasonable doubt. Well, guess who
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  Speaker 1: was correct in all that, Robert Her. There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people who deserve an apology in this whole situation,
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  Speaker 1: and one of them is Robert Her. When this audio
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  Speaker 1: comes out, now, I don't like playing super long clips generally,
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  Speaker 1: but this one is a little over four minutes, and
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  Speaker 1: there's really no place to cut it otherwise you're not
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  Speaker 1: going to get the full context of it. But here's
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  Speaker 1: where to me the Joe Biden decline is so incredibly obvious.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just in the very weak nature of his
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  Speaker 1: speech and the constant pauses and the confusion. That would
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  Speaker 1: be bad enough, but there are two specific date situations,
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  Speaker 1: and you know how big I am in the Dave's
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  Speaker 1: that really expose how unbelievably bad this whole situation was.
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  Speaker 1: The first is the issue of when his son Bo
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  Speaker 1: Biden died. Bo Biden died. It's important for you to
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  Speaker 1: understand to fully Grafts just how horrendous this interview with
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  Speaker 1: Robert Hurre was died in May of twenty fifteen, and
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  Speaker 1: it's obvious that Joe Biden has no idea. Obviously, the
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  Speaker 1: death of a child is a massive event in many
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  Speaker 1: parents life, but by all accounts, this was the you know,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely understandably diffctly devastating set of circumstances for Joe Biden,
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  Speaker 1: who was very close to Bo. And I am not
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  Speaker 1: mitigating that at all. What I'm saying is it's absolutely
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  Speaker 1: inconceivable that someone could be president of the United States
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  Speaker 1: and have no idea and not even close just a
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  Speaker 1: few years after it happened when your beloved son Bo died,
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  Speaker 1: and then almost as bad if you listen carefully. Joe
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  Speaker 1: Biden doesn't seem to understand when we have presidential elections
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  Speaker 1: and when the president is inaugurated, although he kind of
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  Speaker 1: corrects himself eventually, but you know, you would think that
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  Speaker 1: would be part of the DNA of any American who
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  Speaker 1: had a clue about our elections, but especially someone who
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  Speaker 1: had been vice president of the United States for eight
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  Speaker 1: years and had been elected president. And so there's basically
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  Speaker 1: those three things to listen for in this there's the
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  Speaker 1: general pausing and weakness of thought as well as voice,
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  Speaker 1: but also the lack of understanding of when his son
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  Speaker 1: Bo died, as well as the lack of understanding of
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  Speaker 1: when we hold presidential election. So here is that extended
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  Speaker 1: clip released of Joe Biden's Special counsel interview with Robert Hurt.
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  Speaker 2: During his time of Real Chambers Road and work document
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  Speaker 2: into the.
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  Speaker 3: Biden or the Bible Weird Book.
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  Speaker 2: Where did you keep papers that related to those things
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  Speaker 2: that you were actively working?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, this is what twenty seventeen eighteen.
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  Speaker 3: Then here is remember in this time frame, my son
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  Speaker 3: is uh either been deployed or is dying and UH,
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  Speaker 3: and so if it was uh and by the way,
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  Speaker 3: there were still a lot of people at the time
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  Speaker 3: when I got out of the Senate that were encouraging
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  Speaker 3: me to run in this period. Uh except the president. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not being there, not a mean thing to say.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he just thought that she had a better
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  Speaker 3: shot of winning the president than I did. And so
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  Speaker 3: I hadn't. I hadn't at this point, even on a pen,
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  Speaker 3: I hadn't walked away from the idea that I might
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  Speaker 3: run for office again. Uh if I ran again and
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  Speaker 3: been running for president and uh. And so what was
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  Speaker 3: happening though? When when the boat dye uh got mayed
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  Speaker 3: thirty years twenty eighteen, when the twenty fifteen and died
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  Speaker 3: it was made twenty fifteen, think it's twenty fifteen or
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  Speaker 3: you not much of the months or what he goes? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's right, that's it. And Uh what's happened in the
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  Speaker 3: meantime is that uh has and Trump gets elected in
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  Speaker 3: November of twenty seventeen, twenty sixty sixteen, twenty sixteen. Alright,
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  Speaker 3: so why I have twenty seventeen yeh, that's when you
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  Speaker 3: left the office. Uh in January time, I said, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 3: but that's when Trump gets sworn in a quite dane
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  Speaker 3: Ruth Curton cade.
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  Speaker 4: And and uh, twenty seventeen Bo had passed, and uh man,
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  Speaker 4: it was this personal.
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  Speaker 3: The genesis of the book, and the title promised me
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  Speaker 3: Dad was a uh. I know they're all closer to
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  Speaker 3: your sons and daughters, but.
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  Speaker 1: Boh is like my right arm.
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  Speaker 3: And that was my last. These guys were a year
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: and a day apart, and they could finish each other's sentences.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Boh, I used to go home on the train, and
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: you're it that I was still in the sentence anyway,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Remember there was pressure, not pressure. BO knew how much
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I had now and then it sounds maybe it sounds
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: so everybody knew how close you were. I mean, there
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: was not anybody who want to wonder whether or not.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Anyway, And so.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Break no, let me just keep going.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: You gotta do it now. That obviously is beyond extraordinary.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: And again that happened in October of twenty twenty three.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: That person right there has no business holding any sort
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: of significant job. None. And I have sympathy and empathy
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: for Joe Biden's situation there. It's not really his fault,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: other than he didn't have the wisdom and the courage,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: and no one around him had the wisdom or the
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: courage to realize, okay, this has to stop. I mean,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: it's absolutely astonishing to me that that person that you
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: just heard there decided it was a good idea for
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: him to run for reelection for the presidency of the
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: United States, putting his party in the country through the specter.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: And this is an incumbent president. Now, traditionally incumbent presidents
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: win rather handily. And by the way, in October twenty
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: twenty three, it was still presumed that Trump was very
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: damaged goods because of all of the law fair against him.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: So and that's in my view, why no one around
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: him had the balls to say, mister president, we got
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: to stop this. And Joe Biden, his ego, would not
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: let him come to that conclusion himself, and obviously his
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: wife Jill Biden, who was in the best position to
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: put a stop to this, didn't want to lose the
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: perception of power. There is a lot of blame to
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: go around here, but it is absolutely stupefying, beyond comprehension
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that anybody around Joe Biden decided, you know what, let's
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: go through this campaign, let's win reelection, and he can
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: get through another four years of this. By the way,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: in October twenty twenty three, we're talking about another five
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: plus years where he would have to still be president
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: unless the plan, as I've suggested, was always get through
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: a certain period of a second term and then let
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris take over as the first female president. Now
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: all of this is revealed in the context of this
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: book that CNN has been hawking consistently on behalf of
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: their anchor person, Jake Tapper. And my biggest problem with
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: this whole situation of Jake Tapper, of all people writing
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: a book co writing a book called Original Sin about
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: the cover up of Joe Biden's mental decline, of course,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: is that Jake Tapper took part in was a charter
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: member of the conspiracy to cover up Joe Biden's mental decline.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: And that's not an exaggeration. And I honestly thought when
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: this was announced, I thought, there's no way they can
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: get away with this. This is just too audacious. This
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: is Trump level audacity. And I just cannot believe that
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: CNN is gonna now put up with this. But they're
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: gonna obviously full frontal publicity and promotion. I mean, they're
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: not holding back on this at all. They're going balls
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: to the wall so much so that you know, CNN
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: is hocking this book so much that the Daily shows
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: John Stewart rather hilariously f whether or not this is
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the Girl Scout Cookie situation where whoever sells the most
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Jake Tapper books gets a new bike. I mean, I mean,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: that's pretty accurate about what seems to be happening at CNN.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: So the lack of self awareness here, when CNN in
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: general and Jake Tapper in particular were a huge part
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: of this entire cover up, is frankly just stupefying and hilarious.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, I always talk about the lack of self
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: awareness in the mainstream elite news media. Well, I couldn't
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: possibly come up with a set of circumstances that prove
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: it more dramatically than this. Now, apparently in the book
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: there is some level of self awareness and some level
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: of confession, which I'm all in favor of, but at
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: least publicly, there has been very very little of that.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: And I could probably play half a dozen clips of
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Tapper hawking his book on CNN that are just delusional.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: But this one I want to play because it involves
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: three people, not just Tapper, but three people who were
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: intrical to the cover up of the Joe Biden mental decline.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Jake Tapper, David Axelrod, Barack Obama's old campaign manager, and
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Van Jones, very liberal CNN commentator, huge Biden supporter. So
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: all three of these guys were actively participating in this
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: cover up, whether they realized it or not, And they
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: had to know it because they're extremely connected people, especially
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: within the Biden White House and the liberal elites. All
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: three of them had to know, had to know unless
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: they're complete imbeciles, that Joe Biden had no business running
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: for reelection or even potentially serving another four years in
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: the White House. And here is a clip just a
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: few days ago of the three of them discussing this
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: issue of Jake Tapper's book as if they had absolutely,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: positively no part in the cover up itself.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: You were on the record in twenty twenty two voicing
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: concerns about Biden's age and ability. Whom do you blame
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: for the decision of him to run for reelection and
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: the decision to hide his declining abilities as much as
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: they were able.
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: To Well, look at the top end. You have to
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: blame him because he made the decision. But he was
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: and your book reflects this in many different ways. He
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: was shielded by a coterie of advisors and his family.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: They were in this confirmation bubble, and they shielded. They
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: tried to shield the world from his decline, and they
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: tried to shield him from his own standing in his
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: polling numbers and so on and so at the end
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: of the day, I have to point the finger at
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: the people around him who didn't do him a service
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: by encouraging him to continue. I think it was obvious
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: to the public. It may not have been obvious to
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: a lot of politicians. I actually think it was, but
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: it wasn't politically It wasn't politically wise in their judgment
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: to speak out. But it was obviously the American people,
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: even before that debate, that the president was just too old.
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: He would have been closer to ninety than eighty if
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: he had won reelection, and he already was showing decline.
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: So I blame the people around him because real loyalty
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: and it's hard when you work for President Jake to
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: tell them hard truths, real loyalty demanded that they say,
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: mister President, it's just not there and it's not in
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: your interest and it's better for you, the country, and
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: the Democratic Party if you leave now.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Van.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: I remember how emotional you were in the immediate moments
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: after the June twenty seventh, twenty twenty four.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Debate because of what you saw on the stage and
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: with all this new reporting coming out.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: And I should disclose that I gave both of you
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: copies of the book so you would have a little
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: bit more information.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like you were duped? Van?
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: What?
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: How do you feel? First?
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: This book is extraordinary. I don't care who you are, left,
• 31:42
  Speaker 8: right or otherwise, anybody who cares about this country and
• 31:46
  Speaker 8: about just the dynamics of power. This is the Emperor's
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: new clothes playing itself out in real time. Everybody knew,
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: but everyone was afraid to say, except for Dave David
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: Axelrod for two years something was wrong here, and so
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: you know, yeah, I was shocked. I love Joe Biden.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I don't like him.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: I love him.
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: I got a chance to work with him when I
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: was the part of the Obama administration and loved him
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: more every day I was shocked to see his condition
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: when he came out, and so was the world, and
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: that wasn't the first time he was in that condition.
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: The book makes it very very clear there are people
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: who knew and said nothing, and that is a crime
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: against this republic. And I think the Democrats are going
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: to pay for a long time for being a part
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: of what is now being revealed to be a massive
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: cover up.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Now, as astonished as I have been by that clip
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: and many others, and how CNN has handled this whole
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: situation with very little self awareness, very little at least
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: publicly so far, confessionals, because I want to make clear
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I'm all in favor of the news media acknowledging their mistakes,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: confessing having self awareness, acknowledging that they screwed up, trying
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: to make amends. That's really the only way you can
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: possibly get your credibility back is to admit you were
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: totally wrong. And there's been very very little of that. However,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Topper was forced to engage in some of that in
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: an interview that he did with Megan Kelly on her podcast. Now,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: as you probably know, I have a bit of a
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: love hate relationship with Meg and Kelly. When she's good,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: she's really good. When she's bad, she's really bad. It
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: usually comes down to whatever conflicts of interest she has.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: And when she has conflicts, she is not good. And
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I have documented many times where that is the case,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: whether it's involving Donald Trump or Pete Hegstath or my
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: friend Matt Lauer. But at other times she can be very,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: very good. And I was mildly surprised that Jake Tapper
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: went out of the cocoon of delusion that exists on CNN,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: where everyone's just going along with the pretend narrative that
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: my god, you know.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: We just had no idea, we just didn't know, and
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: now that we do know, we need to tell the
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: world about this, which is just so ridiculous because you
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: didn't need to be an expert, you didn't need to
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: have know huge sources within the Biden white House.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: In fact, I would argue that having sources or within
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: the Biden White House worked against you because you were
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: easily pushed off the truth. That's under the best case scenario,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: where you just weren't lying about what you truly knew
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: or what you believed. But this is where the bubble
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: of Washington d c works against the news media. The
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: groupthink aspect of this. I talk about group think all
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the time, where the average citizen who's not engaging in
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: groupthink and it doesn't have a lot of people that
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: they're supposed to trust telling them a fairy tale. They
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: look at reality and they go, this guy can't possibly
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: be president for another four years. But I was surprised
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: that Jake Tapper went outside of the cocoon and did
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: an interview with Megan Kelly. I was not surprised, you know,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: because I didn't know whether or not Megan Kelly wanted
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: anything from Jake Tapper, so she clearly doesn't. If she
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: did want something from Jake Tapper, this interview, in my view,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: would have gone very very differently. But it's now obvious
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: in retrospect that Megan Kelly doesn't want or need anything
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: from Jake Tapper. So she went after him really quite
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: well and very strongly, and exposed Jake Tapper by using
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: a clip of Jake Tapper way back at twenty twenty
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: during the presidential election where it really mattered where Laura
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Trump of the of the RNC at that time was
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: making the argument that this was not a stutter situation.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: See the stutter circumstance, then you're gonna hear this clip
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: in this interview between Megan Kelly and Jake Tapper. The
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: stutter thing is a classic example of how incompetent the
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: news media is and how they will buy narratives that
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: they like without any real thought or introspection or investigation.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: The idea that Joe Biden that his mental decline or
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: proceed mental decline could be explained by a guy who's
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: always had a stutter had one major problem. We had
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: lots of video of Joe Biden as a young man,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and there was never any evidence of a stutter. You
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: don't just suddenly get a sputter late in life. That's
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: an excuse for why the guy is no longer nearly
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: as sharp as he used to be. Yet Jake Tapper
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: not only bought into that narrative, he lamb baseded Laura
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Trump on CNN, mocked her, and Megan Kelly confronted Jake
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Tapper with that clip and Jake Tapper's response, while I
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: will give him some points for part of it, really,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: in my view and this is partially where I want
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: you to listen or the perspective from which I want
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: you to listen to this clip. I want you to
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: think about COVID and the so called experts on COVID
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and how the news media, people like Jake Tapper were
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: shutting down any average person who was raising legitimate questions
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: because they didn't have the expertise to know what they
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: were talking about. And we now know we should have
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: known very much a lot sooner than we actually did,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: although the news media has never admitted this, that the
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: average common sense person knew a hell of a lot
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: more of what was really going on than the so
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: called COVID expert because the COVID expert, much like with
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the Biden mental decline, was compromised. They're part of a club.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: They don't want to get kicked out of the club.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: It's group think, they have an agenda, and so expertise
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: goes out the window. It's actually a negative to have
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: quote unquote expertise, and that, to me, is what I
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: got most out of this particular clip. But for the record,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: here is Megan Kelly doing really good work confronting Jake
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Tapper using that clip of Tapper mocking Laura Trump, and
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: then Tapper, at least to some degree acknowledging bladdly, way
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: too belatedly, that he was wrong.
• 38:32
  Speaker 9: You covered the Biden presidency aggressively throughout the four years,
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: and you didn't cover mental acuity hardly at all. I mean,
• 38:39
  Speaker 9: time and time again when issues came up, you seem
• 38:42
  Speaker 9: to be running cover for the president. Interested well, I mean,
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: we'll start with the Laura Trump issue that you referred here.
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: It is this happened in twenty twenty.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Joe Biden, as we all know, his work to overcome
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: a stutter. How do you think it makes little kids
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: with stutters feel when they see you make.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: A comment like that.
• 39:00
  Speaker 10: First and foremost, I had no idea that Joe Biden
• 39:04
  Speaker 10: ever suffered from a stutter. I think what we see
• 39:07
  Speaker 10: on stage with Joe Biden Jake is very clearly a
• 39:10
  Speaker 10: cognitive decline.
• 39:12
  Speaker 11: That's what I'm referring to.
• 39:13
  Speaker 10: It makes me uncomfortable.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: You are, That's so amazing.
• 39:18
  Speaker 10: You're trying to tell me that what I was suggesting was.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I think that you were mocking his stutter.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you were mocking his stutter. And I
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: think you have absolutely no standing to diagnose somebody's cognitive decline.
• 39:28
  Speaker 10: And it's very concerning. To a lot of people that
• 39:30
  Speaker 10: this could be the leader of the free world.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, that is all I'm saying. I genuine thank you, Laura.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Sorry for Joe.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: I appreciate it. I'm sure it was from a place
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: of concern. All we all believe that. Laura Trump, thank
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: you so much.
• 39:41
  Speaker 9: Do you want to apologize to Lara Trump?
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: Now?
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I've already apologized her. I called her months ago, and
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: what does she say?
• 39:50
  Speaker 12: I mean, I don't want to disclose the contents of
• 39:53
  Speaker 12: a private conversation, but I thought the conversation went well,
• 39:55
  Speaker 12: and she said she has said this publicly, so I
• 39:59
  Speaker 12: feel fine sharing it. She said that she would never
• 40:01
  Speaker 12: mock anybody stutter.
• 40:03
  Speaker 13: But I mean, you know, after we did the research
• 40:05
  Speaker 13: for this book and I realized how bad his acuity
• 40:09
  Speaker 13: issues were, Like I mean, I called Laura Trump and
• 40:16
  Speaker 13: I said, you were you were right.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: She was totally right.
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: That's the thing, because when I watched that clip, and
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: I'm giving voice to what a lot of people watching
• 40:25
  Speaker 9: the show or feeling, Jake, I feel angry because she
• 40:28
  Speaker 9: was right, and not only did you not allow her
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: to make her comments, but you seem to try to
• 40:35
  Speaker 9: humiliate her. You had a hostility toward the position, but
• 40:38
  Speaker 9: she was totally right, And then you lecture her on
• 40:42
  Speaker 9: how she was in no position to diagnose cognitive decline,
• 40:46
  Speaker 9: which okay, you guys do at length, including on page
• 40:50
  Speaker 9: four of your book. You described at length his cognitive decline,
• 40:53
  Speaker 9: which is all she tried to do with you. But
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: you had such a visceral reaction to her, And my
• 40:58
  Speaker 9: feeling is that's because you didn't want to hear it.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Now. I just can't emphasize enough how much to me
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: at least this situation relates to what happened with COVID.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: That's the exact same philosophy. The Tapper reaction to Laura
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Trump was exactly the reaction that the mainstream media had
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: to anybody when it came to COVID that was raising
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: questions about masks or school closings or social distancings or
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the vaccine mandates. It was exactly the same thing. You
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. You're not an accredited person,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: you're not an expert. Shut up, you're a whack job.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: And it turned out in both situations that the average
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: person looking from afar with common sense was right, and
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: the mainstream news media is shielding the so called experts
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: because it fit their agenda. Were wrong. And I'll give
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Tapper at least some credit assuming that he's telling the
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: truth about the idea that he has acknowledged that he's wrong.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: He even says in the interview that his comments, you know,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: age very poorly, and Lara Trump's aged very very well.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Well again, that's a good start, but that's not nearly enough.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: And to me, I think the straight line from COVID
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: to the to the mental decline cover up regarding Joe
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Biden is very very clear. And they we've never seen
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the same kind of mea culpa when it came to
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: COVID as we're starting barely to see when it comes
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: to Joe Biden's mental decline. But to me, maybe even
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: more telling. See Look, I'm all for confrontational interviews. I
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: don't think we have enough of them. It's very rare
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: when a Jake Tapper decides to make himself vulnerable to
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: attack by Megan Kelly, and that Megan Kelly doesn't have
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: any apparent conflicts, so she goes after him. I'm all
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: in favor of that. That has a role, a role
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: that unfortunately has diminished greatly in our current media environment
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: where interviewees, especially if their celebrities, have way too many
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: choices and they can avoid tough questioning. So I get that,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I'm in favor of it, but I often believe that sometimes,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: including in this circumstance, you can often learn more about
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: what was really going on when someone who did wrong
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: faces sympathetic questioning then when they face aggressive questioning. So
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: with that in mind, we go from Jake Tapper on
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Megan Kelly to Jake Tapper being interviewed by Katie Kirk. Now,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: both Katie Kirk and Megan Kelly were once highly paid
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: NBC Today Show hosts, although I guess Megan Kelly technically
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: wasn't a Today Show host, but that was weird and complicated,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: but anyway, but they're both former NBC stars. Katie Kirk,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I guess, has her own podcast as well, doesn't do
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: nearly as well as men and Kelly for obvious reasons.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: But Jake Tapper went on Katie Kirk's podcast and this,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: to me was absolutely fascinating and very very telling. And
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I actually don't want to prejudice your perception of what
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: is discussed here. I will do that after you hear
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: this exchange between Katie Kirk and Jake Tapper, But what
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: they're talking about is what was going on during the
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: famous Trump Biden debate which Jake Tapper and Dana Bash
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: of CNN were co hosting. And just listen carefully to
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: the perspective from which Tapper views this whole situation, and
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: then think about what Tapper and Bash do not do
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: during the debate. Hey, where Tapper is now revealing what
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: was going on behind the scenes, And here was Jake
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Tamber being interviewed by Katie.
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: Kurk actionen like, so you're ready to go? What was
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: your reaction? And when did you know? I watch it
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: with a group of a very interesting group of people,
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: by the way, which I'll tell you later. What was
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: your reaction when you or when did you realize that,
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: oh my god, this is a disaster.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: The first that really there were two.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: The whole debate was horrible for him, and I don't
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: think it's hyperbole to say it's the worst presidential debate
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: performance ever by anyone. In that first block, he starts
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: out shaky but fine, and then he has that answer
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: where he just completely loses his train of thought. He
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: can't come up with words for things. And he says,
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: we finally beat medicare I think he meant we finally
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: beat COVID. I think that's what he was saying, but
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: who knows. And I said, thank you, mister President, because
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: as time was up, we had these iPads so we
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: could communicate with the control room. And I wrote, holy smokes.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: I just because I didn't know who was going to
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: be back there reading it. I would have said something else.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: You and I have similar predilections for salty language.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: But I couldn't believe it. I couldn't. I I knew that.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: This was going to be a much bigger story than
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: a bad debate. This was this was everything that the
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: Republicans had been saying about him.
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: And Dana passed you a note.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: Dana passed me a note saying he just lost the
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: He just lost the election.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, But what was even weirder Jake was his reaction
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: to his performance afterwards.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: He didn't have I don't think he had any idea. Now,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: the reason I found that exchange, that conversation to be
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: so incredibly telling is as follows number one, And in
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: my view, I think you'll agree. And if you question me,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: go back and listen to it again. Jake Tapper is
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: describing this story as if he is coming at it
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: from the same perspective of Katie Couric, which is that
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: of a Biden supporter. Go back and listen to it again.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: There is nothing that Jake Tapper says there or describes
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: regarding his interaction with Dana bash who were co hosting
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: that debate. There is not one syllable that indicates anything
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: other than Tapper is viewing what is happening through the
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: lens through the prism of a Biden supporter and not
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: an objective journalist. And the reason why he feels comfortable
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: talking about this is, I'm presuming this is subconscious. The
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: reason why he feels comfortable talking about it in this
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: way is that he's being interviewed by Katie Kuric, who
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: he knows is openly a Democrat, a liberal, and was
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: obviously rooting hard for Joe Biden in that debate against
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump. That, to me, while it's subtle, is kind
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: of amazing and really important because when they they let
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: it the the you know, the they when they realize
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: what's really happening, when they let you in to their
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: innermost thoughts. That's the way they look at it. They
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: look at it from the perspective of, well, you know,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: our guy, Joe Biden, is really screwing up here. This
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: is a disaster. He's lost the debate, he's lost the election.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's extraordinary that they were really, if they
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: were really, which I must presume, they were passing notes
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: back and forth while they're hosting a president showed up
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: eight about how their guy is losing to Donald Trump
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: in a catastrophic way. So that was the first part
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: of that exchange that I found to be very, very
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: telling and important that in my view, Jake Tapper was
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: looking at this from the perspective of a Biden supporter,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: but maybe even more important than that, and this goes
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: to the death of just basic journalism. I could not
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: stop thinking about, all right, so you're hosting this debate,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: you acknowledged it very early on, this is a disaster
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: for Biden and that he clearly has lost it. Mentally,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: you have still at least an hour of questioning of
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Biden and Trump, and you don't even try to ask
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: a question of Joe Biden about his mental acuity in
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: light of what happened right in front of you and
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: the nation. How is that possible? I realize they have
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: their questions already said, but there's nothing to say. They
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: can't call an audible. How completely inept as a journalist
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: are you? And or how deeply in the tank are you? See?
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: That's why I think it's not just in competence. I
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: think there was a nefarious aspect of this. They see
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: their guy going down, but they don't want to do
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: anything to you know, put the final nail on the coffin,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: which they could have done. I mean, you see the
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: blood in the water. Right. Tapper is acknowledging that he
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: and bash knew this is a disaster. That's their own words,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: that Biden's not up to this mentally, that there's a
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: massive problem here. The whole world is seeing it. How
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: do you not ask a question about it? And I
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: would suggest that there are two reasons why there was
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: no question related to Biden's faltering performance. Number one, I
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: think that they're just not very good journalists, that they
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: don't have the ability to audible that, you know, going
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: outside of the very very intricately planned questioning pattern would
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: have been probably asking too much of them. That's insane.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: To me as someone who has done you know, many,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: many high profile interviews, you have to always be listening
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: very very carefully, and you have to be willing to
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: throw your game plan away if something dramatic happens. By
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: the way, that kind of happened with the Bob Costas
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: interview in the last episode of the podcast, which I'll
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: get to later. In this episode of the podcast, I
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: completely threw my game plan away because the whole thing
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: went in a direction that I was not anticipating. Well,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the same thing should have been occurring when it came
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: to the questions being asked by Dana Bash and Jake Tapper.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: The whole world changed. Okay, if you're one of those
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: people that pretends to not have understood that Joe Biden's
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: mental acuity had dramatically declined until it became very obvious
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: at the debate, which I think is an absurd premise
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: to begin with, anyone who's been paying any attention at
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: all for the previous two years knew that this was
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: a major problem for Joe Biden, especially someone who was
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: applying for a job that has another four year term
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: attached to it. But I also think that part of
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: the reason they didn't call the audible was that they
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: were still looking at this from the perspective of he's
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: on our team, and you know what, let's let other
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: people stick the dagger in his back or put the
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: final mail on the coffin, whatever metaphor you want to use.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: We're not going to be the ones to do it.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: So I think those two things, combined, both very much
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: related to the death of journalism, are why Jake Tapper
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: and Dana Bash never asked a specific question about Joe
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Biden's decline, even as it was very, very obvious in
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: front of the entire world. Now, this whole issue of
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: the media is enabling of and participating in the cover
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: up of Joe Biden's mental decline is not just isolated
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: to the Jake Tapper book, although that's getting by far
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: the most publicity, and by the way, for the record,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think that the announcement that Joe Biden has
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: aggressive prostate cancer is going to dramatically alter this. I
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: think those that cynically thought that that was intended to
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: put the cabag on any of this negative coverage have
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: probably not been very accurate. I think that there's been
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: very little evidence I've seen that the coverage has dramatically
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: been altered because of that news. I could be wrong
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: about that, But if the idea was that this was
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: going to completely stop any coverage of Jake Tapper's book
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: or this issue, I don't think there's any evidence that
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: that's happening. I think partially because we live in a
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: different world now, and partially because everyone knows that while
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: this is not good, it's not going to kill Joe
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Biden in the next few months. That's not what's going
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: to happen here. So it's not as if Joe Biden
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: has a death sentence, and as I said earlier in
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: the podcast, it's far far more likely he's going to
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: die of something else. So if this was all an
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: incredibly cynical ploy, I don't think it's worked very well,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: and it certainly hasn't head off all coverage of this topic.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: But it also hasn't been just the Jake Tapper book.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: There's other elements of the news media that have been
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: acting in a similar way with very little self awareness,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: very little media culpa when it comes to their role
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: in the enabling of the cover up of Joe Biden's
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: mental decline and There was a really great example of
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: a couple of days ago in the New York Times
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: where they ran an opinion piece The New York Times
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: did by a calumnist by the name of Michelle Goldberg,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: and this was really amazing. So on May sixteenth of
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: this year, The New York Times published an op ed
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: from Michelle Goldberg entitled how did so many elected Democrats
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: miss Biden's infirmity? Of course you should add in to that,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: not just elected Democrats, but elite media members. That would be,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: you know, the way things would be done if this,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: if we had a functioning news media and they were
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: being totally honest about this situation. But that's not even
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: the part of this. This situation I find most interesting.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: So that's a legitimate question. Michelle Goldberg in the New
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: York Times, May sixteenth, twenty twenty five, how did so
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: many elected Democrats miss Biden's infirmity? Interestingly, Michelle Goldberg also
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: wrote an opinion piece in The New York Times just
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: over a year ago, not that long ago, February twelfth,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. So February twelve, twenty twenty four, she
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: wrote Biden's age. This is the headline of The New
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: York Times, Biden's age is a campaign problem, not a
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: governing one. So in just over a year, we go
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: from the New York Times Michelle Goldberg Biden's age is
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: a campaign problem, not a governing one, to how did
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: so many elected Democrats miss Biden's infirmity? Right there? That
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: belongs pretty much in the Museum of the Death of Journalists,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: as does this entire topic of the cover up and
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: the enabling of the cover up of Joe Biden's mental decline,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: which you know, eventually, as I always say, the truth
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: will come out. It's just a matter of whether or
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: not people will still be paying attention and whether or
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: not it will get the credibility that it deserves and
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: the attention that it deserves. In this particular case, it's belated,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: but I think it is getting enough attention. We're not
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: seeing enough self awareness, and we're not seeing enough We're
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: not seeing enough legitimate recriminations by the news media. Very
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: few are being very sincere about how and why they
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: participated in this cover up and admitting that they participated
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: in this cover up. And again, one last time, I
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: think that it's not just relevant from a historical perspective.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: The history aspect of this is important, The historical record
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: is significant. But to me, there's a straight line from
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: this story to COVID, and on COVID, the news media
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: has done absolutely nothing when it comes to the mia coopa's,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: the recriminations, the self awareness that, oh, by the way,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: we screwed this up, and let's examine how and why
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: we screwed this up so it doesn't happen again. And
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: in both situations, they were relying on the expert fallacy
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: and they were also protecting their agenda. And the agenda,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: by the way, and both circumstances was pretty similar. Keeping
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump either out of office or getting him out
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: of office. That was part of it. It was much
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: more complex than that, but that was consistent in both
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: of these situations was hiding Biden's mental decline to prevent
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Trump from regaining office. And the whole COVID thing was
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: about getting Trump out of office to a certain degree,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: and some of it was subliminal, subconscious, some of it
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: was more overt. But we've talked about that many many
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: times in the past. As far as Donald Trump is concerned,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: a couple of things I want to mention regarding him,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: although not nearly as much as normal. This is going
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: to be a very Trump light episode of the podcast,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: which I quite enjoy. But probably the bigest thing that's
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: happened in Trump World over the last week was his
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: remarkable trip to the Middle East, and I think that,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: to me the most significant part of this whole thing.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know how beneficial all the pledges of investment
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: in the United States he got from these Middle Eastern
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: countries is going to be. I'm hopeful that it'll be
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: very positive. We talked in the last episode about the
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: issue of the gift of the four hundred million dollar
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: plane by Katar, which I have problems with. But to me,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: the most significant part of this is how much Trump
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: clearly loved being there, because these are his people. These
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: are people who look at the world the same way
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: that Donald Trump does. Donald Trump wants to be a king,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: and this is a place where they have real kings.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump values money over everything. This is a place
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: where they have a lot of money and where money
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: dictates everything. This is a place where ethical concerns and
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: morality and principles apparently mean absolutely nothing. Anything goes, and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: that's Donald Trump's worldview. And these are people that show
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: their love for Donald Trump, which he loves. I mean,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: everyone loves being loved, but no one loves being loved
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: more than Donald Trump does, especially when his ego is
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: being stroked. So they know exactly how to play Donald Trump.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: And they played him very, very well. And I'm sure
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: he is thinking that he played them because he thinks
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: he got some great deals out of them. I don't
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: know if he did or not. We'll see in the
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: long run. I hope he did. But these are his people,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: which to me is not a great indication of who
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump is because I am not a fan of
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Middle Eastern culture. I'm not a fan of monarchies. I've
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: used the example of the whole live golf thing many
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: many times, where it's not a surprise that Trump is
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: essentially on the side of the Saudi royal family there
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: with live golf being paid under the table to host
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: live golf events. To the tune, I'm sure of many
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: millions of dollars that are not transparent and not publicly divulged,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: way way above market price. I mean, you know, I
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: think these are bad people. The record shows that they
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: are bad people. And uh and Trump fits in very
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: well with them because Trump has no morals, Trump has
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: no scruples. He loves money, he loves power, he loves
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: the pomp and circumstance. Uh these this is a situation
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: where he gets along very very well with the Middle
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Eastern leaders. And you know the two entities that should
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: be most concerned about Trump's trip to the Middle East.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: One Israel, because it's very clear that, at least publicly,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Trump is is pushing Israel aside. And two, on a
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: much less important level, the PGA Tour. I have said
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: many times that the PGA Tour is incredibly naive to
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: believe that Donald Trump could be an objective negotiator or
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: conduit to a negotiation, or someone who could help foster
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: a deal between Live Golf and the PGA Tour. I mean,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Rory McElroy, in my view, hilariously said that he thought
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: that Trump was on the side of the PGA Tour.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like, have you ever met Donald Trump? Donald Trump
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: is not on the side of the PJ Tour. The
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: PJ tor has screwed Donald Trump in his mind many
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: times before, and he is being paid by the Sauthi
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: royal family, and he loves the Saudis, so and that
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: was made very very obvious from this trip that he
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: just took to the Middle East. So if I'm Israel,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: and if I'm the PGA tour, I'm very very concerned.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: Now domestically, the big thing that's been going on is
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: this big beautiful bill, the alleged tax cut, that Trump
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: is having a difficult time getting through the House of Representatives.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: And I just want to play one clip from Trump
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: because here he attacks Kentucky Republican Congressman libertarian Thomas Massey,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: because Massey has not been going along with this effort,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: because in Massi's view, this is a boondoggle. This is
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: actually a very very liberal bill. There's way too much spending,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: and it actually codifies a lot of liberal projects, the
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Green New Deal, parts of Obamacare. That's just basically a monstrosity,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: and it goes against everything that he believes in, and
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: that in his view, Trump has been claiming to believe in.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: And you know, this is an ever changing situation. So
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: by the time that you hear this, this may have
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: all been rectified. But as of right now, they're still
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out a way to get this big,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: beautiful bill or the House of Representatives in a way
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: that might actually have a chance of passing in the Senate.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: I know, this is shocking to actually try to pass legislation.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: That's been my number one objection to Trump two point
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: zero that this has all been done via executive order,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: many of whom which many of which have been stopped
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: in the courts or are not realistic to begin with,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: have no mechanism to actually be enforced. They do nothing
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: except allow Maga world to cheer him. They're basically like
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: building sand castles that get swept away in the in
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: the next tide. You know, to me, I hate the
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: executive order situation. And so now, my gosh, here we are. Wow,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: we actually have a Congress. We have a republic Republican
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Congress and Republican Senate. Let's pass a fucking tax cut.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: They're now at least trying, in my view, belatedly. But
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Thomas Massey is a problem because the Republican majority in
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: the House is so unbelievably thin. So Trump decides to
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: go after Thomas Massey, which, in a weird way I
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: find hilarious because if I have one major objection with
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Thomas Massey is that he probably has become too trumpy
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: over the years, too friendly with MAGA. I respect his
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: libertarian principles, but I actually think Massey has sold out
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: to Trump on numerous occasions. And this is the thanks
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: he gets, where the President United States at a press conference,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: standing next to Massey's boss, the Speaker of the House,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: attacks Massy and says that he shouldn't even be in
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Congress all because he's not willing to go along with
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: what he've used is the liberal spending Montrose monstrosity that
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: is this big, beautiful bill. And here's Donald Trump attacking
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Republican Congressman Thomas Massey from Kentucky.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: I'm a fiscal halt.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 14: I'm a bigger fiscal hap there's nobody like me, because
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 14: we have to fix the country.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: You think that Thomas Massey is correct and saying that
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: this is no.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 14: I don't think Thomas Massey understands government. I think he's
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 14: a grand stander. Frankly, hell probably, but we don't even
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 14: talk to much. I think he should be voted out
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 14: of office. And I just don't think he understands government.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 14: If you ask him a couple of questions, he never
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 14: gives you an answer. He just says, I'm a note.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 14: He thinks he's gonna get publicity, and you have that,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 14: you have that, they've got some to go ahead.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Now. To me, this statement from Trump is very telling
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: and should be very problematic. Of course, in the real world.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: What the signals is that MAGA is supposed to hate
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Thomas Massey again, and to a large degree, that's exactly
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: what has happened. I've seen it online where you know,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: Thomas Massey some now becomes more of a villain than
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: the people that are very much in favor of doing
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: things that Republicans and Trump himself have claimed to be against.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, the entire Elon Musk philosophy here has been
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: totally dropped when it comes to spending. Elon Musk, by
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: the way, did an interview with CNBC where he sounded
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: pretty despondent about the way things have turned out with
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: DOGE and acknowledged that they're not going to come anywhere
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: near their goals when it comes to spending cuts. He's
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: also said that he's going to dramatically cut off his
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: political spending in the future unless he sees a reason
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: to spend it. There's a lot of different ways to
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: interpret that, But I interpret Elon Musk is becoming rather
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: disillusioned with his inability to radically change government, and maybe
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: maybe his disillusionment in Trump's commitment to radically altering government,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: which is personified by this so called big beautiful bill. Now, specifically,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: the problems I have with what Trump said there is one.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: In my view. What's happening here is Trump is projecting.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: When Trump says that Massey's a grand standard, that's just
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: fucking hilarious. I mean, you've got P. T. Barnum in
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump claiming that Thomas Massey is doing what he's
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: doing as a way of getting attention. Now, that's Trump projected.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Because Thomas Massey, love him or hate him, and I
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: don't love him all the time, but I at least
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: believe that he has some semblance of principles is a
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: completely different species to Donald Trump. Trump cannot comprehend someone
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: like a Thomas Massey who actually believes in things, So
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: he is projecting, and he's seeing Massey's actions through the
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: prism of his own reality, which is in his reality
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: as well. It must be grandstanding. Doesn't he understand how
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: government works? Well? You know who doesn't understand and I look,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: by the way, I acknowledge Massy might be being naive.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Here I get the whole practicality of it. Look, you're
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: you know you only got this one libertarian in Congress,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: and you know, in reality you have to accept what
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: you can get. But here's the part that Trump never
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: ever gets any blowback for. And this is a fundamental
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: reality that it drives me crazy that no one ever
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: mentions this inherent in this entire problem and weird. And
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: this is really not Trump being masterful. This is Trump
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: just being lucky, and his the right wing media never
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: pointing it out, and his base really not understanding the
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: way politics works or is supposed to work. But what
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: drives me crazy here is there is a presumption that
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Trump doesn't have any obligation to get any Democratic votes
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: to make up for a Thomas Massey standing on principle,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: it's just accepted, all, well, you can't even try to
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: get Democratic votes. Well, I'm sorry. Trump is the blame
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: for that, Because if Trump was not so toxic, more
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: toxic on the left than any other Republican president in
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: history by far, there would at least be a chance
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: of picking off some Democrats, especially in swing districts. That
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: is the way this always worked previous to Donald Trump,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: And so this is the part that really pisses me off.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: You know, it's way too late now, But had Trump
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: been at all disciplined from the beginning of this whole
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: situation and realized that, you know what, it might be
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: fun to dunk on a liberal or a Democrat in
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: this particular situation, maybe I don't do that because it
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: might hinder my ability to try to get any Democratic
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: votes for something I need to get through Congress. Every
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: other president in the fucking history of the country understood this.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump, having no fucking goddamn discipline and his base
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: loving the dunking on the opposition and loving you know,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: Trump basically being an asshole, doesn't understand that there's a
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: repercussion for that, and the repercussion has now been so
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: built into the cake that Trump doesn't even get any
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: criticism for that. There should be criticism that you actually
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: need Thomas Massey's vote. You shouldn't need it because there
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: ought to be at least a couple of Democrats.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Granted, I'm not taking Democrats off the hook here, right,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Democrats should be criticized for this as well. But the
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: whole thing begins with Trump. Trump made it impossible politically
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: for any Democrat to ever side with him on anything
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: remotely controversial. So that is the price you pay for
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: all the things that made you so have you're a
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Trump supporter, that made you so excited that you know
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: basically where Trump titillates you with a bunch of bullshit.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: What ends up happening is Trump has no literally no
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: ability to persuade anybody from the Democratic side. Ronald Reagan
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: was able to pass bills they weren't perfect with Democrat
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: controlled congresses. George W. Bush, especially at their nine to eleven,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: which was in a unique situation, was able to make
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: the plea and the case to Democrats to a large
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: portion of the Democratic Party. It wasn't inherently toxic. Now
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: later in his presidency after the Iraq War disaster, it
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: probably did become, but that was event based, not Bush
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: specifically trying to make it impossible for Democrats to ever
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: side with him on anything. You need to be able
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: to at least reach out to a portion of the
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: opposition party. That's the way our fucking system works. And
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: when Donald Trump says that Thomas Massey doesn't understand government. No,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: it's Donald Trump that doesn't understand government, and nobody is
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: holding him accountable for this because it is one hundred
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: percent his fall on the Republican side. Now again, to
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: be clear, Democrats deserve blame for this too, but they've
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: been allowed to is completely shut down and not even
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: be open to anything that Trump proposes or a Republican proposes,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: because it is so much political death for them because
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: of Trump's toxicity. And this issue just never gets talked
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: about because it's even Trump just to just accepts that
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: it is impossible to get any Democratic vote. The reason
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: why it's impossible to get any Democratic vote is because
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: of Donald Trump's toxicity, most of which has been created
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: for amusement and not actual impact. If somehow Trump had
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: become toxic to Democrats because he was so incredibly conservative
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: and was doing such amazing things to make the country
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: better again in a long term basis, I'd be fine
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: with that. Look that I'd be blaming Democrats one hundred percent,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: But that's not by and large what has happened. Trump
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: has done this out of his own amusement. He's become toxic.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: The only one that's ever benefited from this is Trump
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: himself and the laughs that he gets at his rallies
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: or the likes that he gets for his online posts.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: And no one ever talks about the repercussions of this
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: except for me for whatever reason. So, look, Thomas Massey
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: is not always right. My sense is that he is
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: probably right on this particular situation. I think that eventually
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: they'll get a bill through and the bill will suck.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: The bill will suck based upon the principles that Trump
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: has laid out, Elon Musk has laid out. I've heard
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: nothing good about this big, beautiful bill. Even the tax
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: cuts seem to be convoluted and complicated. But look, I'll
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: wait until we get the final product before I issue
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: any sort of pronouncement on that, as if that matters
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: at all. Now, one of the all time Maga conspiracy theories,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: and there are many, and they drive me crazy, and
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: they're really one of the major reasons why I have
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: absolutely no trust in Magaworld whatsoever, because to me, if
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: you believe in more than one or just one, but
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: certainly if you believe in more than one of these
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: crazy Maga conspiracy theories, there's a problem. There's a problem
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: with your thinking or lack thereof your judgment. And if
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: you're totally wrong in one area that you're certain of,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: then there's a very very good chance you're wrong about
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of other things. And the best example
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: of this, for a lot of reasons, has always been
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein didn't really kill himself, conspiracy that has
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: been extremely absurdly popular in magaworld circles. And in the
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: last episode of the podcast, I played a clip I
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: think it was the last episode of cash matel the
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: head of the FBI under Oath talking with a Republican
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Senator from Louisiana, John Kennedy, admitting that he is very
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: confident that Jeffrey Epstein did in fact kill himself and
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: was not murdered in a federal prison. And I found
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: this to be hilarious and telling, because now we have
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump in an interview with Tucker Carlson saying that
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: he believes Epstein did in fact kill himself, and we
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: have cash Btel MAGA superstar under Oath being questioned by
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: another MAGA superstar saying that Jeffrey Epstein did in fact
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: kill himself. And I thought, okay, well, you know, how
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: in the world is Maga world still gonna believe in
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: this crazy, nonsensical conspiracy theory. I'm sure they were going
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: to figure out a way to do so. But then
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: we got another episode in this whole saga, and that
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: was when cash matel head of the FBI and his
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: deputy Dan Bongino, former right wing talk show host, a
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: guy who is wrong all the time, believes in all
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: sorts of crazy conspiracies, including this one, including this one
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: where he had very publicly stated that, you know, he
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: believed that Epstein did not kill himself and that was
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: likely murdered in prison. The two of them did an
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: interview on Fox News Channel with Maria Bartaroma. Now, by
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: the way, I cannot confirm this, but it is quite
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: possible that this set a record. This interview set a
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: record for the three dumbest people combined ever in one
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: network television interview. If it didn't set the record, it
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: was probably darn close. But it's difficult to get three
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: people that dumb, but tell Bongino and Barteroma in one
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: network television interview. But there were a couple of things
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: that they talked about with regard to conspiracies where they
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: were put into the very very difficult position of debunking
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: very popular MAGA conspiracies, and one of them was the
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: Epstein situation where Dan Bongino, along with Cash Mattel had
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: to acknowledge to Maria Barbaroma on Fox News Channel that shockingly,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: after seeing the information in the so called Epstein files,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: that they've come to the same conclusion I have told
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: you for years was always very very obvious, and that
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: is that, shockingly, yes, Epstein actually did kill himself in
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: a federal president and was not murdered there with absolutely
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: no suspects whatsoever. And here's what that sounded like on
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: Fox News Channel.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 11: You said, Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide. People don't believe it. Well,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 11: I mean, listen, they have a right to their opinion.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 11: But as someone who has worked as a public defender,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 11: as a prosper, who's been in that prison system, who's
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 11: been in the Metropolitan Detention Center, who's been in segregated housing,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 11: you know a suicide when you see one, and that's
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 11: what that was.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: They killed himself.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Again, you want me to get I've seen the whole file.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: He killed himself. Obviously, when I saw that. I was like,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: this can't get any better, right, I mean, to have
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: MAGA superstars Cash Mattel and Dan Bongino, especially Bongino, who
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: as a talk show host has been dabbling in many
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: of these MAGA conspiracies, including this one, to be forced
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: to acknowledge the obvious truth it obliterates one of MAGA
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: world's favorite conspiracy theories. Was just too rich, especially for
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: it to happen on Fox News Channel. But I also
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: presumed that there's gonna be a lot of backlash to this,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: that especially online, that these nut jobs in the MAGA
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: conspiracy world are not just going to accept this, and
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: I was not disappointed. Now By and large, most of
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: the backlash came from accounts that aren't all that well known.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: And these are the accounts that were claiming that Patel
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: and Pancino were now somehow traders to the cause and
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: they've been compromised, and you know, of course, we know
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: that Epstein was murdered, and why are they not telling
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: the truth? Here are they compromised themselves? I mean, all
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: sorts of just absolutely crazy conspiracy theories, Because when you're
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: a conspiracy theorist, especially when you're deeply deeply invested in
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: a theory. You never actually had to admit you were wrong,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: because you know, most morons don't admit that they were
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: wrong about anything. They don't even realize that they were wrong,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: because they're idiots to begin with. But in this particular case,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: and in this world where you can go online and
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: other people will come up with some sort of an
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: explanation for how it is, is that Cashptel and Dad
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: ban Gino could have, you know, somehow, Dan Bongino could
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: somehow have been compromised on this. And you're not alone anymore.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: In the old world, before social media, you would be alone.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: And so either your opinion didn't matter, you wouldn't have
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: any way to justify or amplify it, or you know,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: have confidence that you weren't wrong, and so you might
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: actually change your mind. Well you know, no one else
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: is saying this, so I might be wrong. That was
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: at least a possibility. But in the social media world,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: that's not the way things work anymore. And so I
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: found it very amusing to see a lot of the
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: reaction to Patel and Bongino, and it was mostly just
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: hilarious and somewhat harmless because they weren't serious people or
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: people in buy and large that are considered that legitimate.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: There were some exceptions, but by and large it was
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: the maga social media fringe, the real looms. But then
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: came a Twitter post from my former friend radio legend
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Glen Beck, and I could probably do three hours on
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: this tweet if I want to. I'm not going to,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: I promise, But this is just through the looking glass
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: is this just is an illustration of how unbelievably totally
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: bizarre and broken the world is thanks to what Donald
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: Trump has done to the Republican Party and to the
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: right wing media. Glen Beck the last of the Moricans
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: when it came to major radio talk show hosts, who
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: was in the never Trump camp as late as twenty
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: and seventeen. I've talked many times and documented my visit
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: to the Blaze Studios in early twenty seventeen where we
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: did a series of interviews together. I played clips from
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: an interview that Glenn Beck did with me on his
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: television show where we're commiserating about the state of the
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: right wing media and the Republican Party because of trumb
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, for this guy now to be the one
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: to see and It's my view that Beck sees that, Okay,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: there's a ton of people that buy this conspiracy theory,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: and so they need a champion, right, they need a champion,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: and so Beck steps into the fray of all people,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: the guy that was vehemently anti Trump in twenty seventeen
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: after he was President of the United States to now
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  Speaker 1: be I guess you would call it to the right
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  Speaker 1: of Cash but tallent Don Mangino. I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: I keep saying. Good Dan Bongino on this issue of
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  Speaker 1: the Epstein conspiracy theory is just so unbelievably mystified. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's not really mystifying when you understand the broken nature
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  Speaker 1: of the right wing media, but it is so absolutely bonkers, crazy,
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  Speaker 1: insane making that I just had to share at least
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  Speaker 1: a portion of Bex's tweet. Here's what back tweeted out.
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  Speaker 1: FBI director Cash Battel and Dan Bongino. Not claim they believe,
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  Speaker 1: claim claim they believe, so he's not really believing it.
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  Speaker 1: Claim they believe Epstein's death was a suicide. They didn't
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  Speaker 1: used to believe that. I still don't believe that. However,
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  Speaker 1: I know Dan Bongino. I think he's a credible guy.
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  Speaker 1: There's the first problem. He loves his country. I know, Cash, Buttel,
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  Speaker 1: I think he's an honorable guy. He loves his country.
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  Speaker 1: But in order for me to believe Epstein killed himself,
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  Speaker 1: the FBI must produce And then he goes through a
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  Speaker 1: series of things, none of which really are all that
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  Speaker 1: relevant and well, he does ask the question most of all,
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  Speaker 1: what change? But tell? In Bongino's minds, I would actually
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  Speaker 1: be interested in hearing the answer to that question. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty confident I know it's not because they were
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  Speaker 1: somehow compromised or that they're not telling the truth now.
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  Speaker 1: It's that they were forced. It's very, very very different
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  Speaker 1: to promote a bullshit, nonsensical conspiracy theory when you're a
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  Speaker 1: right wing talk show host like Dan Bongino or your
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  Speaker 1: Cash Betel, and you're trying to get, you know, traction
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  Speaker 1: within MAGA world so that Donald Trump will give you
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  Speaker 1: a prominent job. To be all in on a conspiracy theory.
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  Speaker 1: It's another when you're actually in the possession, when you're
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  Speaker 1: in the head of the FBI or the the deputy
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  Speaker 1: director of the FBI, as Dan Bongino is. That's a
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  Speaker 1: very different world. One because you're faced with the evidence,
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  Speaker 1: which is i'm sure very very clear within the FBI files.
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  Speaker 1: And two, there's a heck of a lot more responsibility
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  Speaker 1: and a lot more blowback within your own organization if
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  Speaker 1: you say things that are totally false. And that's why,
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  Speaker 1: in my view, the most logical reason why they so
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: called change their minds because they're not grifting anymore. They're
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: actually in the job that the grifting got them. But
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  Speaker 1: then Beck ends this post by saying, I tend to
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  Speaker 1: believe Patel and Bengino. I don't believe there's some sort
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  Speaker 1: of conspiracy inside MAGA, but I also believe that Epstein
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  Speaker 1: didn't kill himself with a paper sheet. So show us
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  Speaker 1: the facts. We must restore trust. Epstein didn't kill himself
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  Speaker 1: with a paper sheet. Sounds a lot like you know,
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  Speaker 1: fire doesn't melt steel, which was right out of the
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: nine to eleven conspiracy nut Job playbook. It's just absolutely
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  Speaker 1: astonishing to me that this is where Glenn Beck has gone,
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  Speaker 1: And I would actually like to believe that this is
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  Speaker 1: a cynical ploy on his part to take advantage of
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  Speaker 1: a portion of the MAGA conspiracy world that feels abandoned,
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  Speaker 1: that feels betrayed that this is a ratings ploy. It
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  Speaker 1: could be, but Glenn Beck has also bought into a
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  Speaker 1: lot of bullshit conspiracy theories over the years. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the last interview I ever did with him was over
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: the whole Paul Pelosi attack situation, and this, to me
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  Speaker 1: was classic. This is a classic situation of what has
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  Speaker 1: happened to Glenn and it illustrates what's happened to the
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  Speaker 1: right wing media. So we had been scheduled to do
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  Speaker 1: an interview on another topic, the whole Paul Pelosi attack
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  Speaker 1: thing happens. I happened to know Paul Pelosi, not personally,
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  Speaker 1: but my father's known him for over sixty years. I
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  Speaker 1: knew the whole gay theory was just absolutely insane. I
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  Speaker 1: was very confident that we were going to eventually find
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  Speaker 1: out that this was a nut job that did not
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  Speaker 1: have a relationship with Paul Pelosi. And I told Glenn
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  Speaker 1: Beck all this, and at first I thought I had
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  Speaker 1: convinced Glenn that this was a crazy conspiracy theory that somehow,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: you know, Paul Pelosi was engaged in the gay affair
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  Speaker 1: and that the gay lover attacked him. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: was it was absurd from the beginning. But then apparently,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: you know, Beck realized that the Paul Pelosi is gay
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  Speaker 1: theory was so popular that he jumped on that one,
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  Speaker 1: which was really quite astonishing to me because I'd even
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  Speaker 1: exchanged emails with him after the interview saying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad we were able to get the truth out
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  Speaker 1: there and try to combat this this absurd conspiracy theory.
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  Speaker 1: And so I never know for sure or what is
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: a cynical marketing ratings move and what's just a disease
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  Speaker 1: inside someone's brain and in this case, inside Glenn Dack's brain.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Glenn is a very very smart guy and
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: incredibly talented broadcaster and held the line on principle on
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  Speaker 1: Trump for a very long time. But now I think
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: he has felt as if he needs to overcompensate to
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  Speaker 1: make up for his past since and that's what he's
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  Speaker 1: doing here with the Epstein didn't really kill himself situation. Also, personally,
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  Speaker 1: I feel not that I'm surprised at all. I feel
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  Speaker 1: very vindicated by what has happened here. I against the grain,
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  Speaker 1: which is absurd, since it was always very obvious have
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  Speaker 1: said for many years Epstein wasn't murdered. He killed himself
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  Speaker 1: in prison. It's obvious that that was always the by
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  Speaker 1: far the most likely scenario, especially when you have no
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  Speaker 1: evidence otherwise, and you have no suspect, which would be
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: a very easily proven crime if it ever occurred in
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  Speaker 1: a federal prison where you know where everybody is and
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: only a couple of people would have access to his cell.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, once again I was right and the
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy nuts were wrong. Yet it will make no difference
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  Speaker 1: because they will still believe their conspiracy and they will
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  Speaker 1: still believe the next conspiracy, especially if Donald Trump promotes it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how even when Donald Trump tries to tamp
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  Speaker 1: it down like he did in his interview with Tucker Carlson,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, and for a lot of people, doesn't
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  Speaker 1: even matter when Cashpitell and Dan Bongino go public against
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: their self interest and say, yeah, Epstein actually did kill himself.
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  Speaker 1: People will always believe what they want to believe, and
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: especially when they become invested in the narrative, and especially
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: when it's a conspiracy theory, which you know, to me,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of these conspiracy theories are because these losers
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  Speaker 1: who are not smart people and don't have a good
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  Speaker 1: understanding of the way the world really works. Are looking
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  Speaker 1: for an excuse for why their life sucks. They're looking
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  Speaker 1: for an enemy. They're looking for some explanation that explains
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  Speaker 1: why they didn't get what they wanted out of life.
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  Speaker 1: And if the world is controlled by these powerful, rich
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: people and many of them are pedophiles, and everything is
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: controlled by a deep state, and that for some reason
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  Speaker 1: is a belief that is very enticing to a lot
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: of moronic losers. I don't understand it, but that's the
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  Speaker 1: best I can come up with. And they were wrong
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  Speaker 1: on this. They're wrong on a lot of things. And
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: by the way, when you're this wrong on this, like
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: Dan Bongino has been, then guess what else you're likely
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: wrong about the twenty twenty election being stolen. It's impossible
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: to take the idea that the twenty twenty election was
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: stolen or rigged seriously when the very same people have
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: had to now acknowledge, at least some of them to
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: tell and Bongino and to a lesser degree, Trump have
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: had to acknowledge that they were totally wrong about this
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: other conspiracy theory. No, you might not think that there's
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: a direct connection to that, but I think there is
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: because one conspiracy theory begets the next, and unfortunately, when
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: one gets disproven, it doesn't seem to have any impact
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: because the whole world is broken, especially when it comes
• 1:33:35
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