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Fleetwood Mac Uncovered: A Beginner's Journey Through The Entire Catalog [Episode 336] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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  Speaker 1: From the Peter Green Blues era to the transitional chill
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  Speaker 1: rock era of Bob Welch, to the legendary Buckingham Nick's
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  Speaker 1: era and beyond. It's a trip through Fleetwood Mac history
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  Speaker 1: with author Tim Durling. Next on Booked on Rock.
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  Speaker 2: To Rock and Roll. I mean I leave you you're
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  Speaker 2: reading Little Hands says it's time.
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  Speaker 1: To rock and roll roll. I totally booked. Welcome back
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  Speaker 1: to book don Rock the podcast for those about to
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  Speaker 1: read and rock and Eric Sanitch make sure you give
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  Speaker 1: fan of the show, and for those who already have,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much. Author Tim Durling is back on
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  Speaker 1: the show his latest book titled The Sound that Haunts You,
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  Speaker 1: A Beginner's Companion to Fleetwood Mac. Welcome back, Tim, Thanks
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  Speaker 1: to you now. I am I'm loving the Bob Welch
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  Speaker 1: era of Fleetwood Mac, which is I'm sure that's part
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  Speaker 1: of the goal of this book.
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  Speaker 2: It's you know, yeah, it's just to introduce people to
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  Speaker 2: albums and and like you said, eras that don't get
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  Speaker 2: you know, the spotlight on them very much and thanks
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  Speaker 2: for having me back. By the way, it's always a pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: By the way outstanding appearance on Pot of Thunder.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, that was the latest. I'll be honest
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  Speaker 2: with you, that's the latest I've stayed up to record
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  Speaker 2: because because of the time zones, it was it was
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  Speaker 2: almost midnight by the time that we got started, and
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  Speaker 2: I think you can I don't know, maybe it's just
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  Speaker 2: because I could feel it, but I think if you
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  Speaker 2: if you watch that, sometimes one of my eyes was
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  Speaker 2: kind of going like a little because man, that was
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  Speaker 2: way past my bedtime. But no, that was a lot
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  Speaker 2: of fun. Those guys were a blast and I love
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  Speaker 2: the I love the little theme song they came up
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  Speaker 2: with for me, A seat of Oh Darling with the
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  Speaker 2: Beatles It's O Darling. I thought that was quite inspired.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, no, those guys are great and it's always
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  Speaker 2: it's always so much fun when you can you sit
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  Speaker 2: in and you realize these guys are all good buds.
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  Speaker 2: Like I could just tell there's there's just there's just
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  Speaker 2: a chemistry there and.
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  Speaker 1: They made you feel comfortable and let you do a thing. Man,
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  Speaker 1: you broke down.
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  Speaker 3: Don't Tell Me You.
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  Speaker 1: Love Me by Night Ranger, because that is one of
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  Speaker 1: the many books that you have out is on Night
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  Speaker 1: Ranger and yeah, I'm now listening to that song and
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  Speaker 1: just thinking about all the things that you talk about,
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  Speaker 1: the song structure and the performance and the way they
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  Speaker 1: execute it and the whole thing. So it was just
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  Speaker 1: really cool. I really enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to you know. Uh, I'll stay up
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  Speaker 2: again if those guys want to have me on again.
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  Speaker 2: That was a lot of fun. Yeah, it's been Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was a that was a real pleasure hanging out
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  Speaker 2: with those guys and uh yeah, I was just just
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  Speaker 2: feel like I was scratching the surface because I'm coming
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  Speaker 2: into it new and I'm okay, they got all these
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  Speaker 2: features like and and and they all they know what
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  Speaker 2: they're doing, and it's it's great, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris Jericho is on the show these yeah, these
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  Speaker 1: buds are those guys now this one on Fleetwood Mac.
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  Speaker 1: Then you write about it in the book too. People
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  Speaker 1: may be surprised to see a book from you on
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  Speaker 1: Fleetwood Mac because you write about Night Ranger and Yan
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  Speaker 1: T and Sammy Hagar. I remember the harder.
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  Speaker 2: Rock, yeah, a little bit, the harder the melodic hard
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  Speaker 2: rock of the seventies and eighties, So yeah, This is
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  Speaker 2: a little bit off the beaten path, but that's all
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  Speaker 2: the more reason that I'm really happy with how this
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  Speaker 2: came out. This I guess you could say that this
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  Speaker 2: was a book. I wasn't planning on doing a book
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  Speaker 2: on Fleetwood Mac. That never would have crossed my mind
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  Speaker 2: because I tend to do books on bands that don't
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of books written about them. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I still don't think there are any other Night Range
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  Speaker 2: of books or yan T books. There aren't. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if there's any other Sammy Hagar books that are
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  Speaker 2: just on his solo career, and there's really not much
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  Speaker 2: for Kansas either. This is different. I mean, Fleetwood Mac,
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  Speaker 2: there have been books written about rumors just one album.
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  Speaker 2: So what am I doing here?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Into the fray? But I'm really glad that it had
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  Speaker 2: happened the way it did. My mother in law kind
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  Speaker 2: of made a comment to me that, you know, Tim,
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  Speaker 2: when are you gonna write me a Fleetwood Mac book?
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think she was serious about it. She
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  Speaker 2: loves Fleetwood Mac, but I don't think that she realized
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  Speaker 2: that planet the seed and I got thinking about it
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  Speaker 2: because the truth of the matter is and I explained
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  Speaker 2: this in my introduction. It's still a band that I'm
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  Speaker 2: relatively new to, like a band like you know, a
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  Speaker 2: band like Y and T. I've been listening to for
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  Speaker 2: over three decades. Fleetwood Mac is a band that obviously
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  Speaker 2: I knew who they were, but they were just a
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  Speaker 2: band that was on the radio. They weren't in my wheelhouse.
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  Speaker 2: That's an overused term, but yeah, they just weren't on
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  Speaker 2: my radar as a band to dig into. Nobody in
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  Speaker 2: my family seemed to listen to them, you know, as
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  Speaker 2: like older my parents, from aunts and uncles, like I know.
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  Speaker 2: Rumors was such a huge album and it was practically
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  Speaker 2: a household item at one point, but nobody in my
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  Speaker 2: family seemed to listen to them. So I'm coming into
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  Speaker 2: it as sort of when I really became aware of
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  Speaker 2: them was Tangoing the Night in nineteen eighty seven, because
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  Speaker 2: by then I was really following popular music. So about
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  Speaker 2: twelve years ago, when my wife and I kind of
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  Speaker 2: started dating, she was a huge I mean, she likes
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  Speaker 2: to joke that she was listening to Fleetwood Mac in
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  Speaker 2: the womb because her mum was such a big fan.
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  Speaker 2: But they're one of her favorite bands too, and she
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  Speaker 2: would be playing songs that I'd never heard before. One
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  Speaker 2: that really got to me was was Never Going Back
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  Speaker 2: Again from Rumors, which is an all acoustic song. And
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  Speaker 2: I've like, like, Lindsey Buckingham never gets talked about in
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  Speaker 2: the sort of the pantheon of great guitar players, but
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  Speaker 2: he's a genius. I mean he's a genius arranger and
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  Speaker 2: songwriter and producer and all of that, but his guitar
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  Speaker 2: playing is he's like the thinking man's guitar hero or something. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't. I couldn't get over it. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: that is so good and he's singing that and he's
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  Speaker 2: doing it live too, and like and I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: there's something year. And also I'd known for a few
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  Speaker 2: years that you know, there were there have been several
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  Speaker 2: Fleetwood macs. I mean, there have been several lives to
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  Speaker 2: this band, because you know, I don't think the most
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  Speaker 2: the average radio listener knows. You know that seventy five album,
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  Speaker 2: the self titled one, that was their tenth album. Is
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  Speaker 2: that amazing their worldwide breakthrough? Yeah, I mean they'd been
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  Speaker 2: kicking around for a long time in one form or another.
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  Speaker 2: I knew that, you know, I eventually I learned that
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  Speaker 2: they started as a blues rock band. That's because of Aerosmith,
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  Speaker 2: because when I bought in nineteen ninety one, Pandora's Box
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  Speaker 2: was their box set came out, and because of the
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  Speaker 2: order that I got into bands, Aerosmith were such a
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  Speaker 2: you know, they were an old band, but they had
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  Speaker 2: a second life, you know, they were they were they
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  Speaker 2: they had such a big comeback with Permanent Vacation at Pump.
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  Speaker 2: It just so happened. They were the first band that
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  Speaker 2: I actively listened to that put a box set out,
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  Speaker 2: so I bought it, and among the many other treasures
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  Speaker 2: on there that had never been heard before is this
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  Speaker 2: raw live take on a song called Rattlesnake Shake, Which
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  Speaker 2: is funny because skid Row and Motley Crue both have
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  Speaker 2: songs called Rattlesnake Shake. Now here's a completely different song
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  Speaker 2: with that very unique title. You know, it's not like
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  Speaker 2: hold On or without You. It's not like a song title,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Rattlesnake Shake. That's pretty specific. Anyway, I'm listening
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  Speaker 2: to this and I'm reading in the liner notes that
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  Speaker 2: it's a Fleetwood Mac song, like Fleetwood Mac that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: sound like Fleetwood Mac, And who's Peter Green? I was confused.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm like, Okay, obviously there's a lot more to
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  Speaker 2: this band and than this band has been around a
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  Speaker 2: lot longer than I knew about. And a few years
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  Speaker 2: after that, I got into led Zeppelin. And when you
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  Speaker 2: start reading about the history of led Zeppelin, you're also
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  Speaker 2: going to read about Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac. The early
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  Speaker 2: years are going to read about songs like oh well
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  Speaker 2: and and so that was sort of the seed planet
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  Speaker 2: is on my peripheral, right, But once I once I
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  Speaker 2: started listening to them sort of more in earnest. I've
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  Speaker 2: never been somebody to pick up two or three albums
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  Speaker 2: by a group. I have this thing where I like
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  Speaker 2: to complete the collection. I want to hear it all.
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  Speaker 1: As we can tell by looking behind you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a disease, no question about it. But I
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  Speaker 2: definitely wanted to dig deeper into this band. I was very,
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  Speaker 2: very interested in what you know, if their breakthrough came
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  Speaker 2: with their tenth album, and rumors was the eleventh album,
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  Speaker 2: well what came like what came before? That's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of material to put out and in a short amount
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  Speaker 2: of time. The first album came out in sixty eight,
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  Speaker 2: so this is one of those bands that had, you know,
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  Speaker 2: two albums a year sometimes, And so I thought, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to take the approach to this book. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: on the surface, it's very similar to my Sammy Hagar
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  Speaker 2: book because it's just me. This one is just me.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like it's not a panel discussion book. But
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  Speaker 2: I thought, well, okay, if I was trying to tell
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  Speaker 2: somebody how to get into a band like this, how
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  Speaker 2: would I do it? Coming at it from the perspective
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  Speaker 2: of somebody that grew up on hard rock music and
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  Speaker 2: coming into a band that's got a little bit of everything. Really,
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  Speaker 2: I don't really know how you just describe this band
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  Speaker 2: because of all of these different genres and band members
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  Speaker 2: and songwriting styles and you name it. So I thought, okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's gonna be my approach. It's gonna That's why I
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  Speaker 2: called it a Beginner's Companion instead of a listener's guide.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it's kind of the same thing, but it's
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  Speaker 2: more like if anybody out there has you know, rumors
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  Speaker 2: or or the greatest hits or the dance and they think, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe I'd like to go further, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: you go on you know, you type in Fleetwood mac
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  Speaker 2: albums online. It's a million. It looks like there's a
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  Speaker 2: million of them. It's like, well, where do you even start?
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  Speaker 2: So I thought, okay, I'm gonna go through, like I
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  Speaker 2: do with my books, each studio album, all the songs
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  Speaker 2: on them, what I think about each of these albums,
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  Speaker 2: and then any songs that were sort of stray that
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  Speaker 2: didn't belong to an album, we'll talk about those and
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  Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. And I really I like how
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  Speaker 2: it came out. I did the chapter, I did the
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  Speaker 2: uh well, each chapter is an album, but I didn't
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  Speaker 2: do them in chronological order. I jumped back and forth
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  Speaker 2: with writing about each one because I did that on purpose,
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  Speaker 2: because I didn't want it to sound like here's another one,
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  Speaker 2: and here's another one and here's another one. I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to be listening to a completely different album every time,
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  Speaker 2: and I kept putting rumors back. I kept pushing it back.
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  Speaker 2: I'll get to that. I'll get to that because was
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  Speaker 2: the last one.
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  Speaker 3: Did right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was a little intimidated because what am I
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  Speaker 2: going to write about such a such a huge album
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  Speaker 2: that continues to sell and will. I mean, I've talked
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  Speaker 2: about songs that will outlive us. All that album will
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  Speaker 2: outlive us all. You know, somewhere, somebody somewhere in the
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  Speaker 2: world right now is listening to Rumors in its entirety
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  Speaker 2: for the first time, And so I tried to approach
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  Speaker 2: it as that. It's like, I imagine hearing these songs
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  Speaker 2: for the first time, because in a lot of cases,
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  Speaker 2: I was hearing them for the first time twelve years ago.
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  Speaker 2: I was not inundated with them. So yeah, so I
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  Speaker 2: eventually I got to rumors, and I tried to put
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  Speaker 2: myself in the position of, you know, this is an
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  Speaker 2: album that's sold. I don't know, it's one of those
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  Speaker 2: it's in the Diamond Album Club twenty six twenty seven
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  Speaker 2: million albums or whatever worldwide. It really is good. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it really is one great song after another. So it's like,
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  Speaker 2: imagine hearing it for the first time for those that
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  Speaker 2: have heard that one to death. But not everybody's heard
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  Speaker 2: Bear Trees, you know, not everybody's heard Mister Wonderful or
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  Speaker 2: you know. So that was the goal. It was to
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  Speaker 2: give each album it's due, and I really and what
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  Speaker 2: like we were talking about. Anytime I do these books,
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  Speaker 2: I got to do some serious listening. I have to
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  Speaker 2: just drill the albums in so that I just know
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  Speaker 2: them inside and out. And I gained such a new
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  Speaker 2: appreciation for the Bob Welch era. That is the overlooked
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  Speaker 2: era of Fleetwood Mac and it shouldn't be now. I
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  Speaker 2: mean I say it's overlooked. A couple of those albums
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  Speaker 2: eventually went gold and platinum, like a couple of them,
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  Speaker 2: but you never hear songs from them on the radio,
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  Speaker 2: which is a shame because there are several songs on
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  Speaker 2: there that would you know, they would sound really good
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  Speaker 2: on the radio and give you know, the the well
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  Speaker 2: worn warhorses of songs a break now and then. But
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  Speaker 2: that you know, we know that doesn't happen the state
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  Speaker 2: of things. But but I want people to say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know, let's check this, let's check this stuff out,
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  Speaker 2: because they're you know, from seventy one to seventy four,
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  Speaker 2: there's there's five albums, and you know, Bob Welsch was
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  Speaker 2: like the creative spearhead behind it and if it you know,
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  Speaker 2: he was the first American that was in the band,
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  Speaker 2: and he literally, you know, convinced them to move to
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  Speaker 2: the United States and that changed everything. But it's such
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  Speaker 2: a good bridge between the blue stuff and the name,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the music that the name Fleetwood Mac conjures
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  Speaker 2: up in most people's minds because Fleetwood Mac is a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things to a lot of people. If you
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  Speaker 2: came of age in the late sixties and you were
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  Speaker 2: a guitar player, mostly in the UK, but certainly there
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  Speaker 2: were some fans in the US. I mean, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: Aeros Joe Perry was a huge fan of this stuff,
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  Speaker 2: so people were listening to it, just not a lot.
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  Speaker 2: It was like a cult thing to people like that.
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  Speaker 2: That's Fleetwood Mac, you know what I mean, That's what
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  Speaker 2: Fleetwood Mac is. And the oh that's just that commercial
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  Speaker 2: stuff that came after everybody comes in at different points.
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  Speaker 2: But there's something there, really is something for everybody in
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  Speaker 2: this band's catalog, and I think that people would be
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  Speaker 2: surprised at the variety, you know, you're getting with each album.
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  Speaker 2: You're getting several different styles on an album, I will say,
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  Speaker 2: except for maybe the first two albums, those are pretty
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  Speaker 2: much straight ahead blues blues rock with emphasis on blues.
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  Speaker 2: But after that it's all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: That Peter green Tone you hear a lot about from guitarists.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, Mike Campbell when they made the Tom Petty
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  Speaker 1: the Heartbreakers made the Mojo album, he was really going
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  Speaker 1: after that, Peter green Tone. Let's go back to the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: the first who's in the lineup? In the beginning, the
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  Speaker 1: first two albums are are with Or Actually the first
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  Speaker 1: album has Bob running on bass on a.
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  Speaker 2: Couple of tracks long Gray Mayor. I think that might
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  Speaker 2: be one of the only ones, and then a couple
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  Speaker 2: other songs that weren't on an album. So yeah, John
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  Speaker 2: McVie was like debating being in the band of where
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  Speaker 2: of course he joined up, And my joke is that
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  Speaker 2: Fleetwood Bob just doesn't have the same But yeah, Mick Fleetwood,
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  Speaker 2: John mcveheer, of course, they're you know, the namesakes of
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  Speaker 2: the band, and they're the constants throughout the entire career.
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  Speaker 2: Everything revolved around them. But yeah, Peter green was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: lead singer, lead guitarist, meant one of the main songwriters,
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  Speaker 2: but he was. He's like a guitar hero for those
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  Speaker 2: in the no I think more people know about him
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  Speaker 2: now than even twenty years ago. You don't. You didn't
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  Speaker 2: hear that much about him, right, you'd hear bits and pieces.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, Kirk Kamut from Metallica owns his gold
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  Speaker 2: les Paul, which he nicknamed Greenee. You know that he
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  Speaker 2: became quite close with Peter Green in his final years
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  Speaker 2: before he passed away in twenty twenty, like they were
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  Speaker 2: hanging out, which is kind of interesting. But and you
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: might be thinking, Okay, Metallica is a guitar player. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, anybody that's a Judas Priest fan knows
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  Speaker 2: the Green Man Alishi with the two prong crown. That
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  Speaker 2: is a Fleetwood Max song Peter Era. Yeah. And if
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  Speaker 2: you listen to the original version of that from nineteen
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  Speaker 2: sixty nine, and I would encourage any Priest fan to
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  Speaker 2: do that. It's a heavy song for the time period.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it could have been on the first Sabbath album.
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  Speaker 2: It's doomy and dark and menacing, and that's a Peter Green.
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  Speaker 2: It's a Fleetwood Max song. Believe it or not, it's
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  Speaker 2: a it's a head trip. It's a head trip because
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  Speaker 2: there are lots of songs that you could play for
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  Speaker 2: your average listener and say tell me who that is.
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  Speaker 2: And now guess anybody but Fleetwood Mac.
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  Speaker 3: Jeremy Spencer.
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  Speaker 2: Jeremy Spencer was another. Yeah, he was in the earliest
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  Speaker 2: incarnations of the band, and he did a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the slide guitar work. And he was a young man
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  Speaker 2: when he joined. I mean none of them were old,
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: of course, but I mean he was barely twenty when
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: that first album came out, and he sang like a
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: fifty year old bluesman from the American South, and here's
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: this British kid, but he's got that raspy blues voice.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: And then you had, you know, yeah, so that was
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: the main lineup. But really starting with I think the
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: second album you had anytime the piano or whatever, there
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: was somebody named Christine perfect who played on that. She
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: wasn't credited, but of course she married John McVie. That's
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Christine mcvee, and eventually, of course she became I think
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: a pivotal member of the band and like the sort
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: of dependable member of Fleetwood Mac as far as songwriting
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: and singing and you know, being a constant once she
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: was officially a member. But it's pure blues rock with
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: emphasis on blues and I'm very honest about it, and
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: I respect I respect the blues genre immensely because I
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: know that rock music as we know it wouldn't exist
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: if it wasn't for the blues. I just don't have
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: that much of an appetite to listen to straight blues.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I can a little goes a long way with me,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: and I'm not my ear is not fine tuned enough
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: to pick out the differences, because when I was reviewing these,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: especially the first two albums, there were times when I
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: really I had to check to see if a song
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: ended and another song started. It started to sound the
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: same to me. And that's just that's me being a
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: complete philistine to blues. And I know that. But starting
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: with the third album, and unfortunately it was the last
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: one Peter Green then Play On is an amazingly good album,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: and it was them. They still had plenty of blues
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: in them, but they were changing and they were branching
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: out and it was starting to turn into something very
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: very special and not just another blues rock group.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: And they added a new member, Yeah, Danny Kerwin.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Danny Kerwin does not get enough credit because he
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: was in the band after Peter Green left. He was
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: in the band after Jeremy Spencer left, and he was
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: a good songwriter and a good singer, and his contributions
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: were very important to the band, and I wanted all
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: of these guys to get there, to get their due.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: It's really weird how things turn out. You mentioned Mike Campbell.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, the last time Fleetwood Mac toured, Mike Campbell
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: was in the band, so with.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Neil Finn of Crowded House with Neil.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Fin of Crowded House, and that's that's the second time
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: that they realized they needed two people to take the place.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: So Lindsay Buckingham because he was such a singular, unique
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: personality and such a visionary figure in the in the
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: history of the band. And there's so many tangents to
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: go to go to. But that's why I wanted to
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: go album by album and not shoot back and forth
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: all over the place. So I really do think that
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: this if you wanted to listen to one of these albums,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: read the chapter on it as you're listening to it,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: and I think you'll get a pretty good idea of,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: you know, what it's all about.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: That third album has Showbiz Blues, which is one of
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the best Peter Green era.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Songs Yeah and the and the ironic thing about.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And Rattlesnakeshake is on that one.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: And the ironic thing is that you have to get
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: the deluxe version of them play on to get the
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Green Man Aalishi and to get oh Well, which which
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: is which is by far the best known Fleetwood Max
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: song from that early era. I think a lot more
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: people know that song than know what it's called and
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: who does it because a ton of people have covered
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: oh Well. It's a great, great song. It influenced Black
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Dog by led Zeppelin. That whole idea of the song
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: stopping and then starting again that was I've read that.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: The call and response.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Black Crows made a famous too.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: They did it with page, They did it with Page. Yeah,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Slash Slash did it not that long ago, Deep Purple
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: did it. Lots of people have done oh Well, it's
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: a heavily covered song, and and other thing that you know.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: So this leads into one of my favorite parts of
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: doing this book. Once I got through all the albums,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I wanted to do something else to so that it
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: wasn't a really really short book. I said, I need
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: to add something to this, and there were a lot
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: of their songs, whether it's the early stuff like oh Well,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: or you know, the the Buckingham Nick's era songs like
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Landslide and Songbird and the Chain that tons of people
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: have covered. But I got thinking, I presented a challenge
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: to myself. I went out and tried to find and
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I did one hundred different cover songs Fleetwood Mac songs
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: covered by one hundred different artists, one hundred different songs,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: not fivers. And you talk about running the gamut that
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: spans just about every form of music, as I mentioned,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: except hip hop and rap. I couldn't find any hip
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: hop or rap covers, although I'm sure some of their
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: songs must have been sampled over the years. There'd have
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: to have been. But I mean, there's reggae, there's country,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: there's ambient, there's metal, there's R and B, like all
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: kinds of different things. And that's where I really had fun,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: because what I did is I went in chronological order
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: of these cover songs. Didn't matter when the cover was done,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: but when the original came out. So I went through
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: their entire discography again, this time via other people's interpretations
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: of their songs. And I wanted to make sure. There
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: were certain covers that I wanted to make sure and highlight.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: One of them was Santana doing black Magic Woman, which, right,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: most people think that's probably an original song. But guess what,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: there's Peter Green again. The guy was a genius. I mean,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: he he wrote songs that just people responded to over
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: and over again. But yeah, black Magic Woman is a
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Fleetwood Mac song. If you listen to the original Fleetwood
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Mac version, it's not that different. The only difference is
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: is that, of course Santana as that Latin flavor and
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: his version of black Magic Woman is a lot of
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: people just refer to it by the one title, but
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: it's actually two songs. It goes into a song called
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Gypsy Queen by and I can't think of his name,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Gabor Sabo. I can't pronounce the name right, but when
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: the song starts to speed up, that's the second part
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: of the song. But there it is. I mean, there's
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: a Peter Green song, a top five song all over
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: the world, but not the Fleetwood Mac version, although they
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: were very big in the UK and a lot you know,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: parts of Europe, Holland and things like that in their
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: earliest days. But so yeah, I go through the entire
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: it's almost all the way. No album is ignored. There's
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: at least one song from every one of the Fleetwood
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Mac albums. I mean rumors. There's there's been tribute albums,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: just two rumors. There's been a tribute album done just
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: for Tusk. So but I'm I tried to mix it up,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: but I mean so of course, I've got Judas priest
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: list to doing the green Man Aalishi. I've also got
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: the first time that I ever heard the song the
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: chain was by the Canadian metal band Kick Acts.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Because yeah, you heard that's a great version.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: They did a fantastic version of that on their third
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: album in nineteen eighty six called Rock the World, and
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: if you listen to it, it's faithful to the Fleetwood
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Mac version, but it's heavy, it's but it's it's it's
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: so cool. And I remember thinking that, Okay, well that's interesting.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: They're covering a Fleetwo Max song and it doesn't sound
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: like AM radio, you know what I mean. And then
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I heard the Fleetwood macer is and I'm like, okay,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: well that's pretty cool in its own right. They didn't
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: do a lot to it.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: My favorite Fleetwood Max song from the Peter Green era
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: is not on any album that's Albatross.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, that's right, and that see Okay, now you're
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: leading into something. The hardest part for me of doing
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: this book was organizing all of those songs from the
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: sixty seven to sixty nine period that weren't on one
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: of the albums, because there were compilations that came out
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: in the UK that were different to what came out
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: in North America. There were songs that were were just
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: released as singles, and Albatross was one of those. So
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: their second album, Mister Wonderful, did not originally come out
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: in North America. Instead, they put out a compilation called
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: English Rose, which is like half of that album and
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: then a few other songs. But then in the UK
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: they got a compilation called The Pious Bird of Good
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Omen which if you're a cult if you know Samuel
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: call Original, know where that came from or Iron Maiden
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: and it's similar but different. It really confusing. Then they
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: did that blues album in Chicago in nineteen sixty nine,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: which is some covers, some originals with all of the
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Chicago blues artists. It was really really complicated putting all
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: those together. But yeah, Albatross is an awesome instrumental.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: And it did really well on the charts.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: It was a number one song in the UK, and
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: and it was so big. I mean, people need to
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: realize how big they were in the UK. When the
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Beatles were recording Abbey Road, I think the song we're
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: talking about a son king, But George Harrison said, Okay,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: let's be Fleetwood Mac doing Albatross here. That's how that's
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: how well known they were. They influenced the Beatles for
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: crying out loud.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: That's how I praise so ye yeah.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a great That is a great laid
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: back instrumental. I joke that was the first because there
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: are a few Fleetwood Max songs that come up on
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: the yacht rock playlist. I'm like Albatross is the first.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: That's that would totally work? Sure sure that sounds like
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: that sounds like you're at the beach.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Well, as we transition out of the Peter Green era,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I guess Showbi's Blues is a good clue as to
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: where Peter's head was at. That's he left because things
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: were getting a little too commercial or the band wanted
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: to get more commercial.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Peter Green was an interesting guy. I mean he was
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: very obviously there were a lot of drugs. There was
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: la I mean the green Man leash She is Destroyed
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: is inspired by a bad LSD trip that he was on.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: But he's very spiritual. He felt that money was evil
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: and he'd never really I don't think he ever really
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: sought the fame that he could have had, you know
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: what I mean, like if he'd really gone for it.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Because people that know know how great he was. I
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: mean Gary Moore did an entire I think tribute album
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: to him called Blues for Greenie, so he was a
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: big fan. He just inspired so many guitar players, and
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: yet he's not an name that's on every guitar player's lips,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: or it would be recognizable, or you'd think, you know,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: when you say, well, who's the guitar player in Fleetwood
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Mac Well, Lindsay Buckingham, you know, you just don't think
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: of him. So Jeremy Spencer, Danny Kerwin even Less and
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Bob Welch, I mean Bob Welch had a couple of
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: solo hits later on the seventies, one of which is
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: actually a Fleetwood Mac song. Will reimagined. But yeah, people
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: just don't talk about Peter Green as much as they should.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he was really conflicted and I often wonder,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: you know, what would happen if he'd just stuck around
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: a little bit longer. You know, I don't think his genre,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: his version of Fleetwood Mac would have coalesced with the
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Buckingham Next era. But you know, every incarnation of Fleetwood
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Mac did o well in concert, which is pretty cool.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, Bob Welch did it, Lindsay Buckingham did it.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: There's some great live versions of that. You know, it
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: survived all the way through. That's the one song of
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: that era that they I think consistently did on a
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: nightly basis when they were on tour. But yeah, he left,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: you know, just as they were, and it probably was
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: a shock to the band because they weren't struggling, they
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: were ascending. And so you end up with a very
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: confusing album I think called Kilmhouse, which is the fourth
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: album came out in nineteen seventy. That's an interesting one
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: because that's right in between Peter Green and Bob Welsch.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: So you've got Jeremy Spencer and Danny Carowin and it
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: is literally all over the place. Stylistically, it's all over
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: the place, and it's nowhere near as focused or as
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: good as then play on. But then they get Bob Welch,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: and you know whether or not the album sales were there,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: they had a run of really good albums. So Future Games,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Bear Trees, Penguin, Mystery to Me and Heroes are hard
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: to find. Those are all really solid albums with Bob
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Welsh at the hell, especially Bear Trees. I think that
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: one's my favorite of the of the bunch.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that might be my favorite, although now I'm starting
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: to lean towards the one with Hypnotized on it, which
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: is Mystery to Me.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Well, Hypnotized is an amazing song.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Amazing song.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I think people that it did get a little FM
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: airplay in the later seventies, and that song it pops
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: up once in a while. But again it's one of
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: those things where it's like it doesn't necessarily sound like
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Fleetwood Max, so people don't realize who it is. But
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: when you listen to that and realize this is there's
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: no pro tools, there's no AI. That is Mick Fleetwood
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: doing like five minutes. Oh, he just keeps it's just
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the song is what it sounds like. It is hypnotic,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: It keeps a pulse and it just takes into this world.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: That's oh, it's such a cool song.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: That's what's fun. It's fun to listen to that rhythm
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: section of Mick and John. It's a great rhythm section.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: They always played just what the songs needed, and there
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: and and new when not to play. I have a DVD.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I've had it for quite a while now, but there
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: was a UK series that came out called the just
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: called Classic Albums, and they would do a documentary on
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: a particular album. Yeah, and so I've got the Rumors
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: one among others, and they isolate John mcviee's bassline from
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Go Your Own Way in the chorus, and it is awesome.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's a it's a hook unto itself. You
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: don't really notice it unless you point it out, and
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: then when you hear that chorus, it wouldn't be the
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: same without it. It just it is totally locked in.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: But it's it's it's very melodic. It's its own. It's
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: not doing what the guitar is doing, doing what a
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: bass should do. It's it's counterpoint. So but yeah, great,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: great and and and through all of those stylistic changes,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: those two have always found just the right thing to play.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I would call the Bob Welcher a chill rock.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Very much so, and I just love it. Yeah, I've
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: described I don't know what it is, and it's sadly
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Bob Bob Welch. You know, his life ended quite tragically
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: about thirteen years ago.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: That's a mental health mental illness seems to be that.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: That's a story that runs through the Fleetwood Mac history.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: That is a running theme for sure.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Jeremy Spencer leaves the band abruptly for a religious call
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: for a religious cult. Danny Kerwin, he's got mental health problems.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: He's he ends up leaving the band and becoming an
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: alcoholic and doesn't do much of anything, and he's almost I.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Think he's homeless at one point. Yeah, yeah, very very sad.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I think Peter Green had some mental health problems. I
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: don't know how to the extent. But and then Bob Welch,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: which is just very sad. He committed suicide. And just
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: as watching YouTube clip of Stevie Nicks when when he
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: did take his own life and she was just shocked
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: like I didn't.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: I didn't.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: She's she's like to get to that point where you're
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: that miserable with your life. I just don't understand. I
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: don't know what happened.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: My my understanding was that he found out that I
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: don't know what it was that he was diagnosed with,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: but basically he was going to be I don't even
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: know if they used this terminy, but an invalid like
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't be able to take care of himself.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: He went in for spinal surgery and it was unsuccessful.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: And he left a note to his wife. He did
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: not want his wife to be burdened with taking care
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: of him. Very sad.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: It's very sad, like a nine page note.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Bob Welch had this ability. And I say
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: it in the book, and I don't mean as an insult,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: but I can't think of any other way to say it.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: He sings like he's asleep, right like, he sings like
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: he's in this dream state. And usually he's mixed way back,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: so you really have to lean in to hear what
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: he saying. But it works so well, especially on a
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: song like Hypnotized. But but future Games the Ghosts, there's
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: so many songs that just and it's really interesting because
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, he wrote songs like born Enchanter and like
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: it would have been interesting to see what a Fleetwood
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Mac featuring Bob Welch and Stevie Nicks would have been like,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: because it seems like they were in they they wrote
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: in that same mystical kind of lyrical style.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Would have been fun.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: But yeah, there are great songs on those albums, and
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: not just his songs either, like Kerwin came up with
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: some great great songs and Christine, like Christine's got songs
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: like I remember when she passed away, which is, you know,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: another tragedy, but we're almost coming up in three years
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: as we're filming this. When she passed away, the song
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: that I saw posted a lot, and they were always
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: saying that this was the song that showed how she
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: had potential to write hit singles was again from Bear Tree,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Spare Me a Little of Your Love, Like that song
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have sounded out of place on the self tie rumors.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: She just wrote good songs and it didn't really matter
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: else was in the band. But I mean, you know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: but then, even in the midst of their huge world
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: conquering period. You've got tusk and tusk to me to Fleetwood,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Mac is what the Elder is to kiss. It was
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: more successful, but it's like the album that some people
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: really like it, some people don't like it at all.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: And that was an album that when I got into
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: the band, I was always very intrigued to get into
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: because they're coming up on the heels of an album
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: that was already successful. Rumors was already like three four
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: million sold in its time. They're following it up and
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: they come up with this unconventional double album twenty songs,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: and Lindsey Buckingham was basically given the middle finger to
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: the industry saying we're not gonna give you Rumors Volume two.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: You want that, We're gonna give you the complete opposite.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: We're gonna give you the complete opposite. Now, I say
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: that he thought that way. He wanted to do that.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: He wanted to explore, like he was into Talking Heads
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: and Elvis Costello and the Clash, and he was really
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: into the punkin new Wave. I think that Christine and Stevie,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: so you know, the main writers in the band, I
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: think they just came up with a batch of songs
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: the way they would for any other album. But you've
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: got the mixture of the fairly conventional songs from those
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: two and then you've got stuff like the Ledge and
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: not that funny. And I know I'm not wrong. It's
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: a really I really enjoy Toss, but I would love
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: to have been a fly on the wall at Warner
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Brothers when they play the album in its entirety and
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: it's like, here it is, here's your million selling band.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Promote it, you know, do something with it.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: What do you think of Buckingham nixt You call that
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: the lost other Fleetwood mac album with a question mark?
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a great bit of serendipity on my
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: part because I started this book long before this got
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: finally an official reissue after what forty two years, like
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: one of the best known albums that had never been
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: officially reissued. There'd been plenty of like gray market reissues
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: of it. I think it's the first time it was
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: officially released on CD at least, but I mean plenty
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: of people knew about it. And the way that I
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: described that album is if you know you had friends over,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: if you had a bunch of people over for dinner
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: and you're just kind of sitting around and you put
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: some music on. You could put that album on and
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: people would just go, oh, that's Fleetwood Mac. I just
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: don't know these songs. It's not you're missing you're missing
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: the rhythm section. You know, you're missing Christine, but it's there,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: you know. And I always think those two were better
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: together no matter what their issues were, when they worked together,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: you couldn't duplicate it. And that was a perfect segue
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: that I mean, it's just perfect serendipity where Bob Welch
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: convinces the band to move to California so that they're
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: you know, where Warner Brothers is there, you know, they
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: can get their labels attention a lot easier than being
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: in England. And Mick Fleetwood is talking to Keith Olsen,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: who produced the Buckingham Next album, not even looking for players.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: He was looking for a studio, I think, and Olsen
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: plays in the song Frozen Love, and Fleetwood was like,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: who's that guitar player? I want that guitar player. So
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Fleetwood Mac might not have continued much longer, because yes,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: the music industry allowed bands to keep trying for a while,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: but after nine albums, I would think that you know,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: even back then, a label would be like, I don't
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: think this is gonna work.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that Welch had problems with the record label or
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: were they changing labels. There was some reason that Heat
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: left that he wasn't happy with the future of the
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: band contractually, and then there was this fake Fleetwood Mac
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: band that the manager was going to try to put
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: out there.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: That's another story unto itself, and a fascinating one. And
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: there was a lot going on with seventy three seventy four.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: The funny thing is is that most people, most average
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Fleetwood macfans kind of know the story of the drama
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: with Lindsay and Stevie, with John and Christine with Stevie
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: and Mick with you know whatever, the whole thing, right.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: But the odd thing is is that was their most
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: stable lineup once once Lindsay and Stevie joined, that was
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: their most stable line because the fact that it was
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: successful kept it together, I think, you know, also, I
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: mean creatively it was great. Obviously it was creative. That's
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: what led to the success. But up until then, just
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: about every album had a different lineup because you had
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: a guitar player named Bob Weston come in after Kirwin left. Well,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: he has an affair with mixed wife Jenny Jenny Boyd
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: by the way, who was the sister of Patty Boyd. Yeah,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: so you know, so you read about that and you
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: go down all these rabbit holes, like suddenly it makes
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of sense, but anyway, or does.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: It lots and makes a story of fleetd maack so
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: fascinating the history of this band, But.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: There was already plenty of drama before Lindsay and Stevie
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: came along. It's just you didn't hear about it, right
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: because they weren't. They weren't a high profile band.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: You were not on Warner Brothers.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: They were. They were Oh yeah, they were on Warner
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Brothers from then, play on, Onward, Reprise, Warner, all the
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: same kind of thing. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. In the
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: early days, it was confusing because in the UK they
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: were on this label called Blue Horizon. They came out
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: in North America on CBS and yeah, and then Warner
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: reissued them. And but seventy three, seventy four, yeah, they
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: put the album Penguin out, which had that singer Dave
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Walker for on a couple of songs who came from
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Savoy Brown, who sounded nothing like he belonged in Fleetwood.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Mac He was a raspy blues singer and if Black
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Sabbath fans know that name, he was the guy that
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: was in Black Sabbath for like a second in nineteen
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: seventy eight when Ozzie briefly left before Never Say Die.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: So you can see like a BBC clip of them
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: doing I don't know, I'm not up on my Sabbath,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: but I think one of the songs that ended up
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: on Never Say Die with this Dave Walker on fold
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: while he was in Black Sabbath for a second, so
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: and then he didn't last. It was just constant and
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: they weren't getting anywhere, you know, really commercially. The albums
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: were charting higher every time, I think probably because they
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: just kept putting them out. But yes, there was a situation,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: and I think the Bob Weston Jenny Boyd Fleetwood situation
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: had much to do with it. Mick did not want
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: a tour, but their manager, Clifford Davis, who my understanding
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: was a real snake of a manager sounds like it,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: already had a tour booked. So he put these guys
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: together that were in an English band called Stretch and
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: put them on tour as Fleetwood Mac.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Or as the new Fleetwood Mac.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know how it was built exactly, but the
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: odd thing about that is that this band, Stretch, eventually
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: recorded a cover of show Biz Blues, and I mentioned
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: that where I talk about all the cover versions. Now
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to hear this, and I'm giving a plug
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: to another author because recently on my show. I don't
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: know if you've talked to him or not, but a
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: guy named Steve McClain. No, he's from the UK. He's
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: actually a stand up comedian, but he's also an author,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: and he put an excellent book out called Stealing Deep Purple,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: which is about original lead vocalist Rod Evans putting together
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: a version of Deep Purple in nineteen eighty and touring
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: North America before it got shut down by management. It's
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: a story that I used to think was fake, but
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: it's not. It actually happened, and it's a great read.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I would highly recommend getting Steve stev On. But Steve's
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: also working on a book on the fake Fleetwood Mac
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: and I can't wait.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: To read it. Wow.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, So then hopefully when he's doing the press run
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: for that he's going to be coming out.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I can, I can, I can connect you with him
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: after these do but but yeah, it made me think
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: of that because that deep purple thing is just fascinating.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Anytime you have these these clandestone uh you know these.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I mean nowadays, it's not such a big deal. I
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: mean at one point, how many versions of La Guns
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: and Rat and the Bullet Boys or whatever I meant White? Yeah,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: like even now it's like the ghost of Jack west
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Russell's Great White you know is still is still touring.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, whatever the reason Bob Welts left. And
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: the first thing he did was he formed a band
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: called Paris and I think they did two albums on
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Capitol Records.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: It was a three man band.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and one of the band members I want
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: to say his name was Glenn Cornick. He was original
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: basis for Jethro Tull something like that. And then he
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: went solo and on his first album, which I think
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: was called French Kiss, he redes his song Sentimental Lady,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: which is originally on the Bear Trees album, but he
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: redoes it has a top ten hit with it. Most
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: people would know that song, whether the title does anything
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: to them or not. I think mellow gold Am. You
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: know it's a yacht rock saple now. But actually his
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: version of Sentimental Lady is almost more Fleetwood Mac because
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I think John and Mick play on it. You can
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: hear Christine playing his day on the chorus, and I
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: think Lindsey produced it and he might have played on it.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: You mentioned that in the book, So obviously.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: There was never any bad blood there. And actually there's
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: a really cool clip of Bob Welch playing and I
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: think it's been released at the Roxy in Los Angeles
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty one. There's a really great version of
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: him doing Hypnotized. I think John mcviee's playing with him
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: and Christine. I don't know. He had a bunch of
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: the Fleetwood Mac. So there was never any bad blood there. No.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: There was that brief pory though, in he wasn't invited
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and he
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: thought they omitted him, but it was the rock Hall
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: that said they didn't want him, but they wanted Kerwin in,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: they wanted Spencer in, but they don't want Bob Welchin.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: That's politics.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: I hate that organization so much. But anyway, they screw
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: up on every turn.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: But they made amends. And I think Mick backstage at
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: one of the shows Fleetwood Mac shows, Bob Welch was
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: there and Mick explained, He's like, Bob, that wasn't our
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: call man. We wanted you there and they had. There
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: was also royalties. They renegotiated a deal with the Fleetwood
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Mac albums and Bob Welch was a little pissed off
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: because he says, how come I didn't know about this
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: and the rest of the guys were getting a bigger
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: percentage of the the publishing and he wasn't. But they
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: made amends. Everything was cool.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: It's a familiar story. But the nice thing is that
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: I think it's mystery to me. Eventually went gold, which
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: is good. That's probably because of Hypnotized But Bear Trees
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: went platinum eventually, and I, as I say in that chapter,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: it couldn't happen to a nicer album.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Great album.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: It's a great album.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Dust Kirwin Has Kirwin has the title track, and Dust.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: And Child of Mine is a great song, gets good
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Sunnyside of Heaven. I mean, they did great instrumentals. They
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: did like Earl Gray on on on Kiln House. I
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: think use future games. I see the albums are so
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: close together. I get them mixed up without without looking
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: it up. And thank goodness, I wrote it all that.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: I'll check but I'll check here.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, it's on kill Nose. It's a Kirwin song. Yeah,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: the Bob Well share of Needs needs revisited for sure,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: and and the other thing. And I make mention this
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: several times. Fleetwood Mac also had a run of some
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: of the worst album covers of any good band I
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: can think of. So do not let those album covers
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: throw you. I think the worst one is that heroes
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: are hard to find. That is a rough album cover.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: There's there's one where Nick is looking little emaciated on
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: the cover.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: That's mister Wonderful and he's actually if you fold that out,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: he's naked behind some foliage. He had no problem dropping
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: trial for the camera or dressing in drag. If you
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: look at the English Rose comp uh, interesting, it's well
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: bear trees. Bear Trees is at least literal.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's literal, and it's like it's like the cure.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: It does look Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's very minimal minimalist,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: but yeah, like it's it's an it's a really fascinating
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: catalog and it's also really good.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: I mean it is.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: There's a few albums I'm not very partial to, but
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: for the most part I can find some highlights and
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: some songs that I would say, you know, go check
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: these songs out if nothing else. But again, you know,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: the the great thing and the thing that I hope
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: happens with this is that, like all of my books,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: if people come back to me and say, I was
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: never really way into their catalog, but now I'm listening
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: to more of the albums. I've ordered a couple. That's
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: always what I like to hear when when when people
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: get into this. So yeah, I really I really like
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: how it came out, and I'm really glad that my
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: mother in law half halphazardly kind of mentioned it because
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: I never would have gone down this road.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: And by the ways, in your wife's name, Sarah.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: It is it's what spelled. It's spelled with an H,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: whereas the Fleetwood Max song isn't. But yeah, and that's boy,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: you talk about a powerful song.
• 47:32
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• 47:34
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• 48:09
  Speaker 1: to the show. The title of the book, The Sound
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: that Haunts You A Beginner's Companion to Fleetwood Mac Tim
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Durling the author, and he is here to talk about
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: the book. But yeah, let's kind of skip ahead because
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: we did cover Rumors. We did cover Tusk a little bit,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: but Sarah, which is off of Tusk, Tusk, Sarah not
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: that funny, think about me. Sisters of the Moon Angel
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: were the singles from that album, but they returned with
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Mirage in nineteen eighty two, which I remember well as
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: a kid because that was the early MTV era. And
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I remember the video for hold Me, which is one
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: of my favorite songs. And this is an interesting album because,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: as you say, it gets the short end of the
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: stick YEP from this era of the band.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: It's a great album. I mean, it's a really it's
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: a really solid Fleetwood Mac album. It's probably the am
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: that Warner Brothers would have preferred to have gotten in
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine. It's a fairly conventional Fleetwood Mac album,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: but it's really good. I mean, yeah, hold Me is
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: a great song. Gypsy quickly became a Fleetwood Mac standard.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I mean that's you know, that's the Stevie Nicks persona
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: in one song right there. But Mirage came out at
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: a very interesting time because the big thing that happened
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: the year before is that Stevie put out Belladonna, her
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: first solo album, and something happened that very rarely happens.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: When someone goes solo from a band, they actually become
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: bigger than the band that they're in. Not overall, but
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Belladonna sold twice as many copies as Mirage sold, which
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: is we're talking about four million to two million. We're
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: talking into the millions, right. It didn't sell as many
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: as rumors. But Stevie Nicks became a major rock star
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: in the eighties in her own right, which most basically
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: there was her and Phil Collins, and I mean you
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: could say Ozzy ozy Born too. But most of the time,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: these people that go solo don't have those successful careers.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, even Steve Perry and Lou Graham had one
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: album that was really big and that was it. David
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Lee Roth, he didn't sustain a solo career.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: That gave her leverage over lindsay that, and I'm sure
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: ultimately that's why she's still in the band and he's out.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: They basically said, She's basically said to them, it's either
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: him or me.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Well, she probably became the most the singularly most popular member.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Of She's in the rock hall as a solo artist.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and and deservedly so. But but yeah, I
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: mean so the song straight Back on Mirage talks a
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: lot about that. That's about her kind of being pulled
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: for She's got this new career now, and then you know,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously these people were able to coexist and
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: do both, right. I mean, if you think about you know,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Phil Collins and Genesis and Mike and the Mechanics. I mean,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: they had the chart domination through most of the eighties
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: and the early nineties. But but yeah, that was a
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: major change shift in power because Lindsay also put a
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: solo album that year, uh, law and Order. He had
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: a great hit from a trouble, great song and that
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: was an early MTV And if you watch the video
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: to that song, Bob Welch is in it, Mick Fleetwood's
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: in it like it's it's it's kind of funny. But
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: but the album.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Was Holiday Road from Holiday Road a lot.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Of I didn't realize that was him until until until
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Sarah and I and I'm like, oh, that song okay,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: And then I listened to it. I'm like, well, of
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: course it's him. It sounds like him. I just didn't
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: wasn't thinking. But uh yeah, the dynamics and and and leverage,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: like you said, But Mirage overall has got some great
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: album tracks on it, like Empire State, I love Eyes
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: of the World. No, yeah, eyes of the World. I
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: kept thinking, I kept thinking that's Rainbow, but yes, that's
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: a different song by Rainbow. But yeah, there's great songs
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: on that album, and it doesn't get the attention that
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: it should and.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Loving Store is a good one too, isn't it.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Love and Store was a minor hit. It was a
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: good again again Christine.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: When did Christine do her solo? She had got a
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: hold on me, which is.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: That was eighty Yeah, great song, fantastic song. Yeah, yeah
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: she did that. Yeah that was eighty four. So they're
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: you know, Fleetwood Mac were sort of so yeah. So
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: this is what I was saying at the beginning, Like
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: when I started really listening to the radio was tail
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: end of eighty four and eighty five. So the first
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: few songs I would have heard were like Christine's song,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: and then I remember Lindsay had go Insane, and then
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: of course you know Stevie with stand Back and Edge
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: of seventeen and stopped dragging my heart around, and then
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: she had talked to me and I can't wait. So
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I knew those songs, and then when Tangle and the
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Night came out, because believe it or not, I mean
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: I talk about this in the book. I'm not so
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: sure that I knew any of those Fleetwood Mac songs
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: prior to hearing them in later years. I don't think
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I heard the stuff from rumors when it was out.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would only been three when that album
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: came out, but the radio was always on. I just
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: don't it just doesn't click in. But the song that
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: I do remember hearing from those early years is say
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: You Love Me. But as I say in my introduction,
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what version of that song I was
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: hearing because back in the seventies, and I think I've
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: talked about this before, but Canadian radio and television from
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: like nineteen seventy seventy one onward, there was the CANCN ruling,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: which meant that Canadian broadcasters had to average thirty percent
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Canadian content throughout their broadcast day by law, and to
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: make sure that Canadian artists got played well. What ended
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: up happening a lot. Unfortunately, by the end of the seventies,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: it wasn't so common anymore, but it used to be.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: If you go back and look at old charts, it's
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: kind of blatantly obvious that this. Producers and labels would
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: get Canadian singers to record American or British pop songs
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: in the hopes that radio stations would play their version
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: so it would classify as half can con So I'm
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: not sure if I was hearing Say You Love Me
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: by Fleetwood Mac back in the late seventies on the radio,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: or if I was hearing a version that was done
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: by a singer songwriter from actually my home province of
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: New Brunswick named Shirley Iicard, because she did a version
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: of that too, which was a little which was very,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: very similar. So I can't I was too.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: I was too.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: It's too far back in the memory banks for me
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: to remember that. And I mentioned that when I talk
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: about the cover versions because I think that people need
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: to realize that she also wrote her own song. So
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Shirley Iicard passed away a few years ago, but her
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: rent money was paid because a song that she wrote
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: called something to Talk About became a top five single
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: for Bonnie Rait, so she could write her own songs.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that may be the version of say You
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Love Me. I heard it, so it might not have
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: been until like Big Love and Seven Wonders and Little Lies,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: that I was hearing Fleetwood Mac.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: That's another cool part of the book, going back again
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Fluetwood Mac undercover. People can check out all those cover versions.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: But you entered on Tango in the Night and that
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: album is stacked love it. That's such a great album
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: that has big Love, seven Wonders, which it's just phenomenal everywhere,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Caroline Tango in the Night, Little Lies, I mean that
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: right there, that's a handful of.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Those are huge hit singles.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: It's a great, great album. And even if you get
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: the deluxe version, the thirtieth anniversary version, their song, there's
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: about seven extra tracks down Endless Street, Ricky. They were great.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: They were on a creative role, or at least Lindsay was.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Apparently that album started off life as a Lindsay solo
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: album that was going to be his second solo album.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: They basically begged him to graft it on right and
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: as we know, he left before the band went on tour.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: But what a great album. And I was talking about
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: this on another show. The production on that album does
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: not sound dated and it is like high fidelity, like
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: it is just pristine production, not a note out of place.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: And I think I described Little Lies as like three
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: and a half minutes of pop perfection. It just doesn't
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: get better. You can't get an earworm better than that,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, and the arrangements. Lindsay Buckingham was so missed
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: on the two albums that followed.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I mean it just what a bizarre period too.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is it was such a blow to them creatively.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Even though you had Stevie and Christina were capable singers
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: and songwriters, it was Lindsay's production and arrangement, know how
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: that elevated those songs from good to great.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: You hear the difference like a nineteen nineties behind the Mask.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: They have Saved Me on there, and it's like you're
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: listening to Fleetwood Mac, but it almost feels like a
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Fleetwood Mac band in a way. It's it's something there's
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: something off about it. It's a good the songs are good,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: but there's something missing.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: There save Me as a great song that could have
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: been on That could have been on Tango in the Night.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Think the cool thing about that song.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Is Guy's the Limit is the other one that?
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the other is It's see. I write
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: about that album a lot. I think that there are
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: some good songs on that album, but it's the one
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: that came out after that that most people don't even
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: know about it.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, because that was.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: That was a black hole in their career. Is the
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: album time that came out in nineteen ninety five, which,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: as i've that's.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Like twilight Zone, Like did that really happen?
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: I've said many times. But by the time that.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: Album, by the way, Rick Veto and Billy on behind
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: the Mask.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Perfectly capable singers and songwriters, right.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: But they were only on Oh no, okay, so Burnett's
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: on the next one.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Time Burnett came down. Yeah, Burnett came back because he
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: was out of the band. He came back after that
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: album was like halfway recorded. That's why. That's why Michael Thompson,
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: who's a well known studio guitarist, is on some of
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: the tracks. It's a strange period.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: We got to talk about time nineteen ninety five.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: I was working in radio. By this point, I didn't
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: know Fleetwood Mac had an album out. That's how that's
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: how under the radar it was.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: And they played at Toad's Place in New Haven, Connecticut,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: which is like two thousand people. I'm pretty certain that
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: they played at that tour.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: They came and played in front of a couple of
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: thousand people.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I do know that they were down to playing
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: multi act bills, which they had never had to do. Yeah,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: so that's yeah, their star had fallen.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Off, but like Stephen Nick said, to the credit of
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Mick Fleetwood, and that's his baby, that's his band. He
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: was going to keep it going no matter what, and
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: he did. Christy mcvee, Dave Mason, Billy Burnett, John McVie, mcfleetwood,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: and Becca Bramlett.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Becca Bramlett yeh, daughter of Delaney and Bonnie Bramlett.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I mean it is just so real, and you think,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Dave Mason, you plug in in there on paper, You're thinking, Hey,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: this is gonna be interesting.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: It's got one song. I think it's called blow by
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Blow That's okay?
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Is it okay? I gotta listen to it again. I
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: tried listening to it once and I couldn't.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: It's I find in a rough listen. There's one song
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: on there and I mentioned this in the book. There's
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: one song on there that I think is okay, and
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: it's one of Christine's songs.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: Which one, Oh, I don't.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: I don't want to give it all away now, I do.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: Was the song that charted, that hit number sixty two
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: in Canada, and I think it's the only where it
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: charted anywhere in the world.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: So we'll let people read the book to find out.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: That's not the one. There is actually a pretty good
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: song there, but for the most part, it's very generic,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: very country, and ultimately does not sound like Fleetwood Mac.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: It could have been any number of Nashville up and comers,
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: like outside songwriters of putting songs in which never happened before.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: They were always a self contained band. Christine had one
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: foot out the door, Lindsay was long gone, Stevie was
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: long gone, Veto was long gone. Burnett, like I said,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: came back. So they were recording it with outside guitar players.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: They grafted Dave Mason, who was in Traffic and a
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: solo artist in his own right into It was a
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: weird lineup, weird, very weird lineup. And I don't know
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: this for sure, but I mean, as you know, the
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: nineties were the time of reunions of Kiss and the Eagles.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: And should have been Van Halen with Dave. I think that, yeah,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: that should have happened.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: I think that the Fleetwood Mac lineup that got back
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: together for the dance, I think that would have happened.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: But I think the reason that happened when it did
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: is because Warner Brothers said to Mick. Look, I don't
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: care what you gotta do. You get the best Stone
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: lineup back together, or you're off the label. Because that
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: album disappeared. It had a worldwide peak of forty seven
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: in the UK. This is Fleetwood Mac we're talking about here.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's how under the radar, that's how like
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: it's like a black hole, like it's it's yeah, it's
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: like did this actually exist? Like anybody could have put
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: an album and stuck Fleetwood Mac on the cover and yeah,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: it's it's not a good album. I've not I've yet
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: to run into someone that actually likes that album.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: It may happen, Yeah, that's my favorite might, but.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: I have yet to meet that person who knows.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: See, to me, those are the fascinating periods of a
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: band where they agree he's right past it on the
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: VH one, behind the music, But I want to know
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: what was going through their minds.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Like, great, a great, great quote from a guy. I'm
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: sure you know he's he's an author. Chuck Klosterman. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: fire rock City and yeah, really Chuck was talking about
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: Kiss and he said, and this is so true, it's stuck.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: It's stuck. He said, if you. If you like a band,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: you're interested in the high points in their career. But
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: if you love a band, you want to know about
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: the low points. You want to know when the wheels
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: are coming off. You want to know about music from
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: the Elder. You want to know about sant Anger, you
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: want to know about Time. That's the Fleetwood Mac entry
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: and rock in a hard Place, you know, like it's
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: it's uh man, oh man. I mean I was thinking
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: about this and it's like, can you imagine if if
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: the reunion couldn't happen for some reason, Fleetwood Mac could
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: have been releasing albums on CMC, they could have been
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: knocked down to the indie labels. That's how, that's how.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: That's how amazingly this album bombed like it was just
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: just a perfect bomb of an album. It just so
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: you listen to Behind the Mask, and then you you
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: listen to Time, then you listen Behind the Mask. Behind
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: the Mask is a masterpiece compared to Time. But the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: other the thing about Behind the Mask that I remember
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: this well long before I was a fan, that was
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: in the delete bins, like within months. I remember seeing
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: back when CDs still came in long boxes, racks upon
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: racks of this album because it's Fleetwood mac Right, Warners
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: would have pressed a ton of them. And the interesting
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: thing about that we were talking about save Me, which
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: I think is a great song far and away the
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: saving grace of that album. That song only peaked at
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: thirty three in the US on on the Billboard Hot
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: one hundred. For some reason, it went all the way
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: to number seven up here in Canada. Well, that was
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: that big song for them, And if they'd had two
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: or three more songs that did that, it might have
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: been a different story. Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: But but the loss of Lindsay Buckingham hit them.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: Oh and then Ste's gone.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but just having that, know how, because what would
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: happen is the songs that Stevie contributed to that album
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: were generally good songs, but they just sounded like songs
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: from one of her solo albums.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it needed the.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Glue, It needed Lindsay and it was a you know,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: what are you gonna do? He just want to you know,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: he didn't want to tour. It's it's amazing that he
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: stuck around as lung as he did. But yeah, it
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: would have left fleet you know, Mick Fleetwood in a
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: very awkward, precarious position.
• 1:03:56
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  Speaker 1: on my deals. Are you surprised it took that long
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: for them to put out another studio album, because that
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: wasn't Say You Will wasn't until two thousand and three,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: ninety seven. You had the Dance that was most that
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: was all live, but with there were some new songs.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: There were four new songs on You Great.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: Great album. I love the new songs I wish which
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: some of.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: Them they put on on Say You Will, right, the
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: ones just Bleed Blue, Dielover Yeah, which is a great song, Yeah.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Great fantastic song. Yeah. I wish there were more albums,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I wish there were more
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: albums that to talk about. And because there, you don't
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: get a lot.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: They toured a lot, didn't they. They they were torn consistently.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: They did, yeah, a lot of the time they were
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: doing it without Christine. But I wish with Say You Will,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: it had eighteen songs on. It was a long album,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: and then there were if you got some of the
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: worldwide deluxe versions ended up being twenty. I kind of
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: wish they'd have made two ten song albums and you know,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: staggered them, so two different cover arts, two different titles,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: two different albums to discuss. I really wish they'd done,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: like with Metallicated, with Load and Reload, something like that,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: because there's just not a lot. And then it irritates
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: me to this very day that that EP they put
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: out in twenty thirteen still doesn't exist physically. They put
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: an EP out just called Extended Playing twenty thirteen, four
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: new songs, and it only exists digitally. One song on there,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: which is called Sad Angel, you can get if you
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: buy the three CED version of a best of they
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: put out in twenty eighteen. Call that it's called fifty
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: Years Don't Stop. That's the only way you can get
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: one of those songs. And I do not understand a
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: band of their age putting on a digital only release
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: where most of their fan base are going to want
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: to buy physical. I keep hoping that it'll get reissued.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: But I almost didn't even want to talk about it
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: because it annoyed me so badly, But well, I kind
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: of have to talk about it, so I had to
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: go on YouTube and listen to those songs. However, I
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: think that the album that Lindsay and Christine put out
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen is a really good album, and I
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: include it because it's a Fleetwood Mac album and everything
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: but name because John plays on it and Mick plays
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: on it. The only person that's not on it is Stevie,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: And as you were saying, I have to think that's
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: got something to do with why it didn't come out
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: under the Fleetwood Mac name, which of course would have
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: given it a wider audience. But that Buckingham McVie album
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: is really really good. As far as I'm concidered, it's
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: a Fleetwood Mac album. It's very much like the last
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Steve Lukather album called Bridges, which he put out twenty
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: twenty three. That's a total album. If you look at
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: the personnel on that album, it's got David Page, it's
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: got Joseph Williams, it's got Shannon Forest, it's got Lee Sclar,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: it's got tons of Toto personnel. There's a dispute with
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: the Jeff Bacaro estate. They cannot put They can tour
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Hiss Toto, but they can't put new music out. I
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: think it's the same type of thing with the mc
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: buckingham MCV album. Unfortunately, I hope people go back and
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: check that out because so far that's the newest thing.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, would you like to see them make an album
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: with Neil Finn and Mike Campbell.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: I can't see it happening. I mean I remember being
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: confused at first. I'm like Neil Finn like Crowded House Split,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: But then I can think it about well, he is
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: kind of in the same vocal range and Mike Campbell
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: of course, I mean Stevie Nicks and the Heartbreakers, and
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: I get it, you know, it makes sense.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: But his songwriting skills, Mike Campbell, I think when that
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: That's what I'd be so interested in hearing something new
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: from Fleetwood Mack with his influence. Yeah, his song right,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about a guy who wrote the
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Boys of Summer for Don Henley and.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: Boys of Summer like you could, you could full stop
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: it right there. That's one of the greatest songs ever written,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: right right.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: But and and and he just he helped to structure
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: those classic Petty songs with his riffs and his you know,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: just coming to Petty with those songs.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a lot of those I mean, I
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: mean a lot of those Tom Petty songs are so simple.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: You know, you have to have the right band playing
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: them to make them exciting, otherwise they would just be
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: dead simple songs, right Like, uh so, yeah, it might
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: be interesting, but at this point in time, I don't know,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: I don't see why you couldn't. They don't have to
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: be in the room at the same time, like Lindsay,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, to record songs they could put together. You know,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: I still wish that they they had taken you know,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: with the the the album Lindsay and Christine did take
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: those four songsungs from that EP and graft them on there.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Now you've got some steviee content reissue it as a
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: Fleetwood Mac album. It wouldn't be the first time that's happened.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at Dave David Coverdale. He put that
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: into the Light album in two thousand. Now it's out
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: as a White Snake album.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: I just saw he's he made some announcement today.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: What did he He's retired, which didn't surprise me. I
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: guess I just figured he was. But you know, but
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, but all of these, you know, you know, I'm.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: A little concerned too. Lindsay he had he had some
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: health issues his heart. He had a problem, so he
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: had a heart open heart surgery.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Or yeah, he's been you know, he's been doing He's
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: been posting a lot of videos where he's like showing
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: how to play some of his songs. And then it's
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: kind of cool, like he and his daughter sit and
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: we'll watch some of his old videos and talk about them.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, I saw a few of those. Does
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: he look okay?
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: I mean he talks a little slower, but it's but
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: he seems lucid, you know what I mean. One of
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: the cool things I saw a video like a fan
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: he was answering fan mail, and it was It's really
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: cool because I kind of didn't see it coming, and
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: he was talking about how much he loved Thin Lizzy.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: I thought that was cool.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: Oh cool. I didn't know that.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Who knows what's going to happen? I mean, and who
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: knows what's in the vaults. That's the other thing. But
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: it's just a shame that it's like van Halen, man,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: I just wish there were more out, more latter day albums.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: There were so many, so such big gaps of time
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: without any new music. I want to hear new music.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: You know, they can tour all they want. I want
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: to hear new music. I'm one of those guys.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Did you hear the news? Alex's next book is coming out?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: So I think it's a mostly photos book.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping, well, maybe I was kind of hoping he
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: would finish his first one. Yeah, pick up after nineteen
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: eighty four.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I got a real.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: Problem with that book, man. That was just I mean,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: it stopped and it was like, come on, man, like
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: you're really going to take that with you to your grave?
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: You're bitterness in Sammy?
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here it does Genesis Publications reveal upcoming Van Halen
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: book authored by Alex van Halen, Let's See Chronicle, So
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: featuring a dynamic blend of iconic photography alongside rare and
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: never before seen images exclusive access to his private archives,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: Alex offers a personally guided tour through the band's legendary career.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: But again, it's I can one eighty four.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I'm not gonna buy. I'm not
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: gonna buy this one. I'm I'm unless you're gonna do
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: it right and and get your head out of your whatever. Yeah,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: I got a real problem with that, you know. Speaking
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: of photography, I do want to mention this. This is
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: something that that I think is important. The the artwork
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: on this cover, This was done.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: What a great cover.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was done by my wife's best friend, Sally
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Ann Morgan, who's who's not a published artist by any stretch,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: but she did a couple of sketches for us personally
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: of a couple of our pets that are no longer
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: with us, and they were just beautiful pencil drawings like this.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: Now you've those those pictures online of a kid listening
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: to a record play and it'll say, remember the first time,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: and it'll have a you know, pick an album cover
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: that'll put it there. That's kind of what I had
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: in mind. But I wanted to have a penguin because
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Fleetwood Mac uses penguins a lot. That's kind of their mascot.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Listening to Fleetwood Mac with headphones, you could see the
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: top hat in the cane. I love how this came out.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: She just really is beautiful.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted it to look I'll tell you what
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: I wanted this to look like. Eric was the anti
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: AI because there are so many ugly looking AI books
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: out there. Matt Phillips, my good buddy that that helps
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: design the books and put them together for me, he
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: sent me this one that just came out, and it's
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: it's one of those covers where if you look at
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: it for more than two seconds, you're like, that's not
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: Fleetwood Mac. Those aren't people, Those aren't real people.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: No, it's really it's it's.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: It'll be the death of us all.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think I think it's just gonna
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: come come down to people just gonna get sick of
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: or or they're going to connect more with the actual
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: real human beings. Again, there's you can't fake the real
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: human emotion that comes from art. So I think that
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: I think will be okay. I think AI is great
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: for certain things, but for art it is not like
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: you know, for artists. I mean, like I just listened
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: to a new podcast and I was I was looking
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: forward to listen to it, but the whole intro is
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: a is an AI generated song. Yeah, Like you could
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: tell like they just plugged, they typed in, write me
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: a rock song about I'm not going to say the
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: name of the podcast, it's that it doesn't matter, but
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: but anyway you could tell it was just created by
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: an AI.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: And I think that's the thing. Somehow you can just tell, yeah,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: and there's something about that. So that's why, like a
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: lot of my books, we've licensed photos. I mean, with
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: my Y n T book, the absolute privilege, I ing
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Hugh signed to it. But that's I'm not going to
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: be able to get you signed to two all my books. Now.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: I will say this, the Kansas book, Let It Be
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: Your Guide. That's AI assisted, that's a I assisted.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: I remember you told me that.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: So Matt put that together. He gave it the idea
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: and the the iconography, but he fine tuned it a
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: lot I mean he made sure that the sailor didn't
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: have five, you know, five fingers and two thumbs and
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: you know, things like that. But yeah, I really I
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: wanted this to have a homemade, you know, homespun look
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: to it.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: So has she considered like framing that and selling it
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: as a as a piece of art. I mean, it's beautiful.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: She's very self effacing about it. But you can get
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: it as an art print through tea public through my account,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: so it is no. I you know, she sent me
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: back the rough sketch of it, and I'm just like,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: that's that's it because it was so hard to get
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: It's like I've got an idea in my mind and
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: that was it. She made it real. So yeah, and
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: also I want to I want to give a shout
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: out to Pete Pardo from Sea of Tranquility for writing
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: the forward to this book. That was a real pleasure to.
• 1:14:53
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  Speaker 1: The Sound that Haunts You a Beginner's Companion of Fleetwood
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: Mac out now find it through Amazon. People can find
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: you online. You got the YouTube channel.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tim's Final Confessions on all. I'm on Instagram and
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: Facebook and Twitter. I still call it Twitter, and yeah,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: I've had the YouTube channel now since twenty fourteen. Going
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: to keep on going. And I'm in the midst like
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: I do whenever I have a book out of doing
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: a deep dive series, as you know on all of
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: the Fleetwood Mac albums. So that's just getting underway. I
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: think we're just about as we're filming this, we're just
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: about to get to Kilnhouse, so we got a long
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: way to go.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm a subscriber, so I always enjoy watching
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: the videos. And and by the way, folks go and
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: go to Amazon and look for all the great books
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: that you got unspooled, which is a great history of
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: eight tracks. The book on Wyan t Down for the
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: count Let It be Your Guide. The Kansas album review,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: Red On Black, The Listener's Guide to Sammy Hagar and
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: Sing Me Away.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: The Night Ranger album review.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy. I mean five years ago I had
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: I had no books. Now I've got six.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: You are now a prolific veteran author.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: I mean I couldn't you know, I couldn't do it.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: I couldn't do it without, you know, little help from
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: my friends. I couldn't do it without without Matt, and
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: I couldn't do it without my good friend Andy Campbell,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: who does the proof reading for me. Because proofreading sucks.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: I hate it.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: I know, I heard it talk about, but it's so important. Yeah,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I've got two more that I'm that I'm
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: working on.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: I was about to ask, what do you what do
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: you got?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: What do you got?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: I think you know about one of them because one
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: of them you're going to be in it. So but yeah,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: so that's all, you know. I'm always working on on something,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: but this one, I'm hoping to ride this one and
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: promote it because I know that obviously with the name
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: like Fleetwood, Mac, and this has a chance of reaching
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: an audience that that, you know, bigger audience than most
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: of the bands I write about. But after that, I'm
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: gonna get back to the normal. Well, write about obscure stuff,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: but stuff that's good, but stuff that's good and needs
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: and needs written about.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: So but the underdogs.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: I stand by this because this this is like a
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: late comers version of of getting into Fleetwood Mac, which
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: is my whole goal with I hope that people end
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: up like me and be like, you know what, I
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: guess I like this band. After all. You know, you
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: take there, you take there. There are bands you take
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: for granted you hear them all the time, but then
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: you're like, no, really, really listen. This is good stuff.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: This is well constructed, well written songs, well played, well
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: song well produced. All of that.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: Amen to that, Tim Darling, thanks man.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: Thanks Eric. That's it. It's in the books.