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Fictional Women Around the World: Maya Lopez (AKA Echo) · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane
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  Speaker 1: never told you protection of iHeart Radio. And welcome to
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  Speaker 1: another sub sub sub segment, Yes, of fictional women around
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  Speaker 1: the world, and today we are talking about Echo, also
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  Speaker 1: known as Mile Lopez. And for those of you who
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  Speaker 1: are more firmly in the realm of the Marvel Cinematic
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  Speaker 1: universe and less in the comics than you probably saw
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  Speaker 1: her in a Hawkeye. And you can see our Cape
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  Speaker 1: Bishop episode that we did about a year ago on
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  Speaker 1: on that where we talked about her old a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: But she is getting her own spin off series which
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  Speaker 1: is filming Atlanta right now. I have a friend who's
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  Speaker 1: working on it. Uh. He's being very good about the
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  Speaker 1: n d A. Not that I'm like prying too hard. Way.
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  Speaker 1: Do I know who's on there? Do I know them? No?
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  Speaker 1: Not really. I mean I think I've mentioned them before,
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  Speaker 1: but no, Um, I have all their friends. Meant do
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  Speaker 1: you don't. This character is played by Native American actor
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  Speaker 1: Alecba Cox, who was the first Native American hero in
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  Speaker 1: the m c U and the second deaf hero. Cox
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  Speaker 1: also has to blow the knee prosthetic which they incorporated
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  Speaker 1: into her fighting style in the show. I know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: standard at Marvel disclaimer. Uh, it's complicated and I'm familiar
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  Speaker 1: with one storyline of this character. But when I was
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  Speaker 1: researching it, I was like, but what wait what um,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm kind of gonna be We're gonna be jumping
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  Speaker 1: back and forth in a way. I hope it's not
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  Speaker 1: very confusing between the comics and the show because right
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  Speaker 1: now they're similar. Um, but they have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: different folks in some places. So like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: stuff that is Daredevil and the comics is Hawkeye in
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  Speaker 1: the m c U. So things like that. So bear
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  Speaker 1: with me as always, Samantha, you are along for the ride,
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  Speaker 1: and ask any questions. At least I know who this is. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's yep. So yesterday we were talking about Myle Lopez,
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  Speaker 1: a deaf shy in Latin American. She originally was used
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  Speaker 1: and manipulated by Kingpin, but she escapes his machinations and
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  Speaker 1: goes on to fight against him and his ilk So
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  Speaker 1: did you like my very dramatic sentence, I said, nations,
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, WHOA, I was feeling it. I
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  Speaker 1: was feeling it. You are Kingpin earns that drama. She
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  Speaker 1: does oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, this is fantastic representation.
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  Speaker 1: So for a bit of history, Mya Lopez was first
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  Speaker 1: introduced in the comics and Daredevil number nine, and she
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  Speaker 1: grew up with her father, a chyenne man named William
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  Speaker 1: Crazy Horse Lincoln, after her mother, who was the Tina, left.
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  Speaker 1: It took a long time for Maya's teachers to realize
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  Speaker 1: that she was deaf. In the m c U, her
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  Speaker 1: father informed her he could not afford to send her
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  Speaker 1: to a specialized school for the deaf, that she had
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  Speaker 1: to jump between two worlds, that she could use her
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  Speaker 1: speed to overcome strength, things like that. As a child,
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  Speaker 1: she learned that her father was working with mobster Kingpin,
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  Speaker 1: who goes on to eventually kill her father placing and
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  Speaker 1: her father places a bloody hamprint on her face as
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  Speaker 1: he dies, which gets incorporated into her look um and
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  Speaker 1: Kingpin becomes her guardian uh huh, and she sees him
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  Speaker 1: a sort of a father figure. He lies about the
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  Speaker 1: circumstance of her father's death, blaming Daredevil or in the
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  Speaker 1: show Ronan Slash Hawkeye. He subtly coerces her into learning
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  Speaker 1: fighting and performance skills, and she excels in both. One
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  Speaker 1: of Maya's key abilities is that she can mimic any
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  Speaker 1: action that she sees. And we're talking like music, dance, fighting,
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  Speaker 1: everything everything you could imagine, um, And that's where the
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  Speaker 1: name Echo comes from. It's very much like task Masker
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  Speaker 1: from Black Widow. Is that implicated in the show In
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  Speaker 1: the Hawkeye show, I think it was kind of hinted at,
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  Speaker 1: but it was never made really explicit. But I think
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of because you see scenes of I
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  Speaker 1: guess the way I interpreted it is she's just studying
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  Speaker 1: people's fighting styles, so you see scenes of that, but
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  Speaker 1: it was never made super clear. It seemed to be
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  Speaker 1: a badass in ourselves, right. That was my vibe too. Okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: another question before you jump back in. I know you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna talk about it a second, but why would they
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  Speaker 1: change Uh? They just dted to introduce her, so they
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  Speaker 1: change the uh patsy to be Hawkeye instead of Daredevil.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think there are a couple of reasons
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  Speaker 1: they did that. I think one Daredevil they've had a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of like legal trouble getting that character um
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  Speaker 1: and kind of figuring out what they're gonna do. With
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  Speaker 1: the old show versus well, if you've seen recent stuff,
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  Speaker 1: then I think that some of that has been resolved.
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  Speaker 1: But also their plotline, which I am going to go into.
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  Speaker 1: I mean not that this would have necessarily stopped them,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like not the healthy isn't with Hawkeye either,
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think they were just like
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  Speaker 1: it makes sense to put him in here. Everybody was
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  Speaker 1: waiting for Daredevil to show up in because it's Kingpin, right,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not entirely sure. I guess, it's my long
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  Speaker 1: winded answer to say, I don't know for sure. So
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  Speaker 1: because of this ability that she has where she can
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  Speaker 1: mimic and echo all of these things, that that means
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  Speaker 1: that she is great at a whole host of things,
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  Speaker 1: from piano to ballet to boxing to composing everything in between.
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  Speaker 1: That when Echo does learn the truth about Kingpin, she
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  Speaker 1: turns on him and the comics. She shoots him in
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  Speaker 1: the face and causes him to go temporarily blind, which
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  Speaker 1: is supposed to be seen as sort of a just
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  Speaker 1: this kind of thing, I suppose um in the show,
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  Speaker 1: it's very much painted as a long time coming um or,
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  Speaker 1: at least in a sense that after her father died,
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  Speaker 1: she felt like she should have more control, power, responsibility
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  Speaker 1: than she was getting, and she drew a lot of
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  Speaker 1: ire for investigating and questioning what really happened to her father.
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  Speaker 1: When she confronted Barton about it, he said Slash signed
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  Speaker 1: an a s L that they had both been manipulated
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  Speaker 1: and used as weapons. Her kind of Bow later attacks
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  Speaker 1: her after she probes them about where he was when
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  Speaker 1: her father died, and also kind of a whole leadership
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  Speaker 1: thing going on, um, claiming he should be the one
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  Speaker 1: in her spot, not her, and in the show, she
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  Speaker 1: shoots and apparently kills Kingpin, though I don't buy for
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  Speaker 1: one second that he's dead, not one second old. He
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  Speaker 1: just disappeared, Like, yeah, it's been a long time since
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  Speaker 1: I've seen that. I think you're right. They come back
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  Speaker 1: and he's not there. Yeah, no, ways, he's coming back
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  Speaker 1: for sure. Okay. But yes, Before all that, in the comics,
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  Speaker 1: she met Matt Murdoch, not realizing that this was his
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  Speaker 1: alter ego Daredevil, the alter ego of Daredevil who she
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  Speaker 1: believed had killed her father, and the two felt an
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  Speaker 1: attraction for each other um through a variety of things
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  Speaker 1: like studying Daredevil's moves and getting to know Matt Murdoch.
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  Speaker 1: She realizes that Kingpin lied to her about the circumstances
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  Speaker 1: of her father's death. She studied these videos of Daredevil's
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  Speaker 1: fighting techniques to copy them and confronted and almost killed
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  Speaker 1: him like multiple times, and the only reason she didn't
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  Speaker 1: one time was kids were watching, which I felt was like, yeah, today,
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  Speaker 1: did you say they were attracted to each other? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: In is she supposed to be significantly younger than him?
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  Speaker 1: Am I wrong? Yeah? I mean I'm not sure. In
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  Speaker 1: the comics, to be honest, I still I mean, there's
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  Speaker 1: still an age gap. I don't know if it's significant,
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  Speaker 1: but in the show it certainly feels like a pretty
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  Speaker 1: significant gap. Let's not do that. That's why I was like, maybe,
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  Speaker 1: But it's also not great with Hawkeye anyway. Yes, she's
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  Speaker 1: seen teaming up with all kinds of heroes, including Wolverine,
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  Speaker 1: and has a romantic relationship with Hawkeye that doesn't last.
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  Speaker 1: Um yep. She also works briefly with Mark Spector slash
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  Speaker 1: Moon Night, and they met while she was undercover as
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  Speaker 1: a stripper, and they have a role vance that doesn't last.
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  Speaker 1: If you're seeing a pattern here, yeah, yes, while working
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  Speaker 1: with him, she dies in combat, but is later revived.
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  Speaker 1: She eventually joins the Avengers and assumes the Ronan mantle.
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  Speaker 1: Uh and it was a big reveal when you find
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  Speaker 1: out who who was. At one point she encounters and
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  Speaker 1: fights Electra, but learns that it is a scroll impersonated Electra.
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  Speaker 1: So those are the aliens that can shift uh huh.
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  Speaker 1: And so this kick starts the Secret Invasion plotline, which
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  Speaker 1: is a show that is coming soon to the MTU,
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  Speaker 1: and they've already had pieces of all over recently. This
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  Speaker 1: univers should have been destroyed ten times over, it seems
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  Speaker 1: with all of this going down. But okay, so so
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  Speaker 1: fun to wrangle these plot lines into something that is
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  Speaker 1: hopefully coherent. Um. She was also tricked by a low
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  Speaker 1: Ki At one point, Wild disguised as Carol Danvers, clapped
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  Speaker 1: in Marble asked for her help for a women's settlement
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  Speaker 1: on another planet that was being harassed by God's um
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  Speaker 1: My agreed, and upon realizing she'd been tricked, had to
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  Speaker 1: fight her way out of the situation, and one of
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  Speaker 1: the women of the planet her vision of the future,
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  Speaker 1: and she saw only fire. Maya incapacitated the god that
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  Speaker 1: had been making them fight for entertainment and then left
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  Speaker 1: him for the women of the planet to deal with.
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  Speaker 1: Boom ye Okay, this is where I was like, oh, really,
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  Speaker 1: Phoenix Force or just going just go with it. I'll
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  Speaker 1: try to explain this. Phoenix Force later had her fight
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  Speaker 1: in the Contest of Champions and she lost in her
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  Speaker 1: battle against no More the sub Mariner. She was later
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  Speaker 1: resurrected once again when the Phoenix chose her as its host.
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  Speaker 1: After she collected all these other things she could fully
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  Speaker 1: embody Phoenix Force and yes, a former host of this power,
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  Speaker 1: Jeanne Gray, contacted her, urging her not to let it
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  Speaker 1: consume her as Maya was reborn as the Phoenix. Wait,
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  Speaker 1: I thought, jean Gray is still alive. That's how the
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  Speaker 1: time I got written rewritten. Yeah. Yeah, she contacted her
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  Speaker 1: and it was like, this is not a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: Don't let it come phi anymore. My is this is
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  Speaker 1: news to me. I'm telling you interesting. I know it is.
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  Speaker 1: It is and I will say as we wrap up here, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: some of the I can't speak to the some of
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  Speaker 1: the costumes not the best. Some of it's pretty good,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, some of those tropes you want to
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  Speaker 1: avoid when it comes to women and when a color.
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  Speaker 1: And then also, no women have written the comics for
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  Speaker 1: this character, and I believe no Native American people have
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  Speaker 1: written for this character on the upcoming show, though they
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  Speaker 1: the show has hired a couple of death writers and
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  Speaker 1: several negative American writers, so that's that's good and hopefully
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  Speaker 1: we're going to see more stuff more progress like that
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  Speaker 1: in the future. But yeah, I'm excited to see where
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