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Jason Forever: Looking at the Friday the 13th Series · Pop Culture Junkie®

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  ♪ Entertain me, entertain me right now ♪
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  - Hello, we're here, you're here,
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  our producers are here,
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  and that means it must be time
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  for another amazing episode of Pop Culture Junkie.
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  I am Shauna, and I'm Olivia.
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  - It is so nice to see your face, Olivia.
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  I miss you so dearly.
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  - I know.
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  It was actually quite sad.
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  Shauna and I spent our first Halloween
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  without each other since we've met.
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  And it was quite sad.
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  I didn't have fun.
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  I didn't really do fun things.
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  - Yeah, I had a good time,
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  but there's always that little void.
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  Like, there's something missing here.
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  I'm not having as much fun as I could
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  'cause Olivia's not good.
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  - And yeah, exactly, and vice versa.
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  Yeah, and my friend, my friends that I have here,
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  one was in a different country,
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  and then the others aren't Halloween girls,
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  and it's just, you know?
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  Nah.
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  - It's not the same, any of my spooky golf princess.
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  - I need you to tell all of the listeners
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  about your Halloween costume,
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  because it was amazing,
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  and I wish you were wearing it right now.
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  I wanna have a party.
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  - Oh, God.
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  - I think my 37th birthday party,
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  I wanna just base around your costume,
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  and everyone has to dress up in this theme, so go ahead.
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  (laughs)
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  - Okay, so what's even funnier is this was what I wore
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  to work.
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  I got to work at 7 a.m.,
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  but I was Edward Cohen from Twilight,
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  if you aren't aware, in the office.
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  So my coworker, who's my really good friend as well,
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  was supposed to be Bella.
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  This was her idea.
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  - Wait, what do you mean she was supposed to be?
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  Did she, yeah.
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  - Oh, she could out.
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  - Oh, yeah, I don't remember this part.
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  - No, so it was, she was like,
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  what if we're Edward and Bella, that'd be so funny.
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  And I said, "Which one of us is gonna be Edward?"
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  And she looked at me and I was like,
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  okay, fine, I'll be Edward.
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  (laughs)
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  And so I get there, I normally get there before her,
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  just normally, she works like later hours than I do,
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  and there was a COVID scare in my office,
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  like on the Monday, right?
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  Halloween's on a Friday, and she texts me,
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  and she's like, I feel so sick, I'm sorry,
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  I'm not coming in.
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  And I was like, I'm literally in full drag right now
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  in the office without, she had the Jacob,
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  we got like a dog balloon,
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  and we had like all of the wolves faces on the balloon.
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  She had all of them, and then she wasn't Bella.
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  - You guys, this wig that Olivia had on,
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  she looked like a mix between like Justin Bieber,
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  like Edward, she was.
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  - I was so many people.
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  - You were definitely like the San Francisco lesbian.
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  - I had definitely looked like a butch.
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  It was so funny.
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  So we realized that I could have played Ben Justin Bieber,
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  and if I was wearing purple,
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  like totally Justin Bieber in his love in era,
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  which I could last me.
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  Also, if I had left my hair out,
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  like at the bottom of the wig, Joe Dirt,
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  probably would be that next year.
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  - She had glitter all over herself, you guys,
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  just covered in glitter.
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  It was so good.
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  And you drew on your eyebrows to make them more manly,
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  I noticed.
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  - Oh, I was in full drag.
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  I sent it to my coworker who's a drag queen,
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  and I literally, he was like,
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  you did a really good job.
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  (laughing)
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  I looked like a drag king.
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  - I could lead to my dog.
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  - 100%.
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  - Yeah, I looked like a drag king.
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  I did put white sparkly eyeshadow all over my face,
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  and then I couldn't get glitter body spray.
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  So I literally just got the glitter hairspray
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  and sprayed my face with the hairspray.
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  - Oh, God, she wrote it.
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  - It was, she, it was terrible for my skin.
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  - And then that night, I was a zombie,
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  so I was just caking on.
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  - Oh no.
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  - Literally eyeshadow into every pore.
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  - No.
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  - For both looks.
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  - No.
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  - But it was great.
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  I would love for you to have a Twilight theme.
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  - I wanted to either be like,
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  - It would be so light themed.
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  - So either Twilight themed or dress up
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  like your favorite vampire themed.
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  So it could just be like,
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  - Ooh, that's a good one.
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  - And then that way I can basically,
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  yeah, I can basically have a Halloween party in February.
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  - Yes, well, your last birthday,
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  was essentially a Twilight party
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  because we watched every single day.
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  - That is true.
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  - That is true.
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  (laughing)
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  - Oh, and it was so good.
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  It was so good.
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  - That was so good.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Well, I miss you and I miss your living room.
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  - Yes, yeah, it is right behind us.
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  I have already decorated for Christmas.
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  So I have all of the Christmas stuff planned.
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  - The girl that was gonna be Bella
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  is a huge Christmas person and she's like,
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  - I have planned every weekend
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  a Christmas themed activity.
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  - I love that.
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  - So I'm just going into both.
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  - Okay, into both.
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  My Christmas tree is here.
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  You can't really see it.
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  - Mine will be up this weekend.
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  And when you come to town,
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  we are definitely gonna do some kind of Christmas theme
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  or hopping activity.
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  And then I'm assuming you're coming again.
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  - Not the one.
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  - Not the one we went.
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  - Yeah, I'm coming for Christmas.
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  Not the one that we went to last time.
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  - Oh no, the food was shitty there.
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  They served us like delicious drinks
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  but then Ritz crackers.
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  - So.
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  (laughing)
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  - I need both.
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  - I need balance.
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  And by balance, I made both being good.
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  - I need really good food and really good drinks
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  and really good Christmas attire.
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  Because it is my favorite holiday actually.
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  But did you know this episode is about
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  a very important holiday,
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  maybe more important than Christmas, the birth of Christ.
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  Friday the 13th.
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  - No.
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  (laughing)
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  - That was a good sign.
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  - Coming up on Thursday the 13th.
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  - Yes.
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  So we're gonna take a quick break
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  and then we are gonna dive into the universe of Freddy.
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  Freddy?
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  Not Freddy.
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  Jason.
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  We're gonna take a quick break.
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  - Jason Voorhees, baby.
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  - Jason Voorhees.
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  We're gonna take a quick break
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  and then dive into Jason Voorhees universe.
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  (dramatic music)
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  So this episode will drop on Thursday the 13th
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  and that's good enough.
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  So we're gonna talk about the Enduring a Horror franchise.
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  Friday the 13th on this week's show.
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  Of course, Friday the 13th features
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  the hockey mask wearing serial killer Jason Voorhees.
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  And he's not your ordinary, uncilable movie monster.
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  Like the Muppets, he has taken Manhattan,
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  but unlike the Muppets, he's also battled Freddy Krueger.
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  He's been to camp and of course, to outer space and to hell.
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  - Boom, stung, stung.
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  - Boom, stung.
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  He has died and been reborn over and over again.
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  And he has a staggeringly high body count.
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  - Are you so dreaming him?
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  - No.
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  We're not talking about how many people he's slept with.
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  We're talking about how many people he killed.
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  (laughing)
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  Olivia, what are your thoughts initially on Friday,
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  the 13th and Jason?
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  - Yeah, so I think that Friday the 13th,
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  I mean, I am technically like not a big 80s
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  slasher horror film person.
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  I actually, out of everyone, probably like,
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  I think the most iconic out of that time
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  is probably like Freddy Krueger.
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  You know, like Michael Myers.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Yeah.
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  - I was like thinking of a--
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  - Michael Myers is Halloween and Freddy Krueger
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  is Nightmare on the Street.
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  - I was thinking of the guy who's Austin Powers.
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  - That's also Michael Myers.
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  - Okay, it fell wrong at that moment.
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  I was like, wait.
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  - She was a different Michael Myers.
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  - Yeah, there we go.
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  There we go, yeah, same people.
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  I mean, I think that they are so iconic
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  in their own right.
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  But when every Halloween comes around,
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  I'm not like, ooh, I need to watch Friday the 13th.
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  But I do think that he is such a persistent character
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  because he is so interesting.
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  And I think that the first movie is quite good
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  and has a lot to say as well.
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  But you know, it's a trope and horror reason.
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  And if you've ever seen Cabin in the Woods
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  that kind of takes on like the exact characters archetypes
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  that you see within the 13th.
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  We have the jock, we have the Virgin,
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  we have the Sturder of the Crown.
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  - The Sturder of the Crown.
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  - The Sturder of the Crown.
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  - The guy who's, oh, we ride back, right?
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  And so, you know, we still see those made even today.
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  So I think that there is something to say about
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  just being iconic in that way.
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  But yeah, I mean, I had seen them when I was
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  probably in like middle school.
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  But I don't think you had, right?
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  - No.
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  So I do like horror movies a lot,
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  but I'm trying more recently to watch a lot of the classics.
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  Like over Halloween or leading up to Halloween,
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  I should say, I watched so many scary movies by myself
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  while my husband was at a channel.
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  - Live streamed watching Psycho.
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  - I did.
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  - Snap chat group.
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  She's in the shower and I'm like,
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  she's just taking a shower.
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  A regular normal shower would nothing bad will happen, you guys.
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  She's tired from traveling.
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  But yeah, I watched Psycho.
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  I watched Bella Legosi's Dracula from the 1930s.
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  I watched Friday the 13th Halloween.
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  Rose Mary's baby.
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  - You would never seen Rose Mary's baby.
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  - No, it was so good.
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  Oh my God, I loved it.
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  So I watched all of these great movies
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  and I watched Friday the 13th.
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  And honestly, I didn't like it that much.
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  I have seen Freddie versus Jason,
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  which we will get into a little later.
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  That was gonna be my question for you, because I knew.
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  You had never really seen the first one.
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  Or it was like, was that your introduction to him?
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  - I already, I mean, I knew who he was
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  just because of pop culture.
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  You know, when everybody kind of just knows who Jason is
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  and he died, it can't crystal leg.
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  But Freddie versus Jason, I think was the first one that I saw.
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  I might have saw the Friday the 13th from 2009,
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  but it definitely has that stuck with me enough
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  for me to remember.
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  So I watched Freddie versus Jason
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  and then watched the first Friday the 13th.
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  And I was a little bored.
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  And you know, I maybe that's a controversial opinion,
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  but I wanted it to just kind of get to it a little bit faster.
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  - No, I think that like, you know, it is, again,
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  like one of the standouts from the 80s,
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  but at this point, like it is predictable
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  because it is a formula, right?
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  So I can definitely see how you would get there.
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  - Yeah, Halloween had already came out before this
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  and I definitely preferred Halloween.
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  And I like nightmare and Elm Street a lot too.
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  So I do too.
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  - Yeah, those movies are scary.
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  - You can even sleep.
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  I love sleeping.
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  - Yeah, I think if I had to go up against any of them,
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  that's actually a really hard one.
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  The one that I want to go against least
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  is definitely Freddie Krueger.
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  - Oh yeah.
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  - I'm folks, like I will die.
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  - Yeah, just from like after like a week,
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  we're sleepy girls.
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  We're E.P.
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  - Yeah, we'd be napping.
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  - Love a long nap, a very long nap.
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  - A living and I hung out before
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  and then halfway through the day,
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  just been like, do you wanna take a nap?
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  Let's just take a nap.
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  - All the time.
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  - And then we'll take a nap and we'll wake up.
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  And be like, okay, let's keep partyin'.
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  - But Sean, I can actually nap for like 20 minutes.
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  I'm like a three hour person.
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  But okay, so if you had to go up against Michael Myers,
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  Freddie Krueger or Jason, who would you go against?
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  - I would probably choose Michael Myers.
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  - I think same.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And the series goes on, it's a little crazy.
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  - Yeah, but he is kinda just a dude,
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  at least in the beginning.
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  I mean, in the beginning.
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  - All of these guys.
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  - Well, so does this one too.
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  - That's true.
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  - I expected it.
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  - They'll kinda just start as dudes
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  and then at certain point, the producers are like,
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  what if they travel to space and become
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  reanimated corpses who love and die?
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  - If we're also putting leather face into this,
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  I'd probably pick leather face though.
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  - That you could take down leather face.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Yeah, he's just a dude, right?
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  - Big dude.
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  - He's just a dude.
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  - That's just a big dude.
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  - Definitely.
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  - Big one.
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  - Ghost face is always just a dude or a chicken, I'm ask.
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  And like, isn't scary anymore?
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  Once their mask comes off and it's just like,
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  Jack Quaid, and he's like,
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  "Hey, hey, I'm outta here."
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  - Super clumsy.
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  - You're like, very clumsy as well.
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  - You're very killable though.
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  For some reason, the mask makes you real scared.
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  And then you take it off and you're like,
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  "Oh, I have a gun."
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  (laughing)
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  So we are gonna break down a little bit movie by movie,
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  what makes the Friday the 13th franchise?
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  The order that we're gonna go in is release date order,
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  which is only a little different
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  from chronological order.
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  Jason X is the in chronological order
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  because it takes place in the future.
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  Super.
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  But the one that we're gonna go through
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  is like, release date order.
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  So of course, first we have Friday the 13th released in 1980.
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  So John Carpenter's Halloween may be credited
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  as kicking off the 80s, slasher, horror craze.
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  But it was truly Friday the 13th,
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  which was kind of an obvious replica of Halloween,
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  like you said, that really kind of lit the spark
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  for the genre.
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  So it stars Betsy Palmer, Adrian King,
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  and Kevin Bacon, like a real cuteness maybe.
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  And Jason, 'cause I had never seen this movie,
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  Jason's not even in the movie.
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  - Yeah, this is for-- - Spoiler for a movie
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  that came out 45 years ago.
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  (grunting)
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  - No, 35, no.
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  45?
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  - We're in 2025.
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  - I'm sorry, I thank God for my bow talk
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  'cause holding on right now, I just feel so old all of a sudden.
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  (laughing)
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  - Also, you were 36, you were born in 1980.
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  - I know, but it was born in the 80s.
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  And so it was like, wait, there's no way that--
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  - There's no way that-- - 1999.
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  - 1999. - 1999.
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  - Oh my, my, my, my, my,
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  so he's not even in the movie.
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  Well, he is as like a little kid.
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  And then he pounces out of the lake
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  in the very, you know, final shot of the movie.
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  But we don't have the famous Jason in the ski mask yet.
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  It is his mother who is the main slasher bad guy
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  because she believes that the camp counselors were too busy
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  fornecaten and new and drugs to watch her kid
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  and that he died when he drowned in the lake.
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  So Friday the 13th, part two came out one year later,
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  but it's set five years later.
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  So it finally brings Jason Voorhees into the fold.
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  He covers his face with a burlap sack and one eye hole
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  and then goes on his rampage.
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  So we all thought that he had died in the lake?
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  No, no, no, he was just kind of a nomad
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  in the woods just kind of going crazy
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  and becoming a local myth.
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  So part two kind of moves better pacing wise
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  in the first film and has a very famous
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  formidable final girl in Amy Seals, Ginny.
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  - Yeah.
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  And then we have Friday the 13th, part three.
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  So they went from numbers to Roman numerals for this one.
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  And they shifted from 2D to early 80s craze 3D
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  to the third Friday the 13th movie picks up right
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  where part two leaves off.
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  And so these movies basically take place over the course
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  of two days between part two and part three.
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  Jason gets his hockey mask in this one
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  and keeps it from there.
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  So the hockey mask with the red triangles
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  as the story starts to move away from kids camp counselors
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  at a camp and ultimately any young adults
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  that are trying to spend a weekend in the woods.
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  How dare you?
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  - Yeah, I mean, it expands the world ultimately
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  and a cabin in the woods as well.
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  And so you start to see him kind of in these dark,
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  scary nights that aren't just the camp with a nice lake
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  and a lot of things around it.
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  - I mean, not really a nice lake.
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  It's full of dead children, but I get what you call.
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  - What lake isn't?
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  Anytime I drive by Tempe Town Lake,
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  I think, oh, there's a lot of dead.
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  - Oh, it was a lot of dead college kids in there.
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  - Yeah, I didn't.
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  - My dad's rap boy is not like.
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  So Friday the 13th, the final chapter,
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  plot twist, it's not the final chapter.
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  It is a 1984 movie.
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  So the previous ones were set in 1984.
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  This one came out in 1984, but is also still set then.
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  The final chapter, once again,
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  extends to Jason's killing spree, which just happened, right?
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  So now we're on five days, I guess,
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  the death of just him absolutely in this town.
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  He's just on a rampage.
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  (laughing)
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  - He's an English.
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  - He's so angrily.
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  - Yes, and so Jason survives his injuries
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  at the end of the last movie and goes on to slaughter.
• 17:54
  More hot young people, truly in 80s trope,
• 17:58
  and he's only to be taken down in the end
• 18:02
  by 12 year old Tommy Jarvis, also known as Cory Feldman.
• 18:08
  In a machete wielding attack that outright kills
• 18:12
  the illustrious Mr. Voorhees for good.
• 18:15
  Very died.
• 18:16
  - He's died.
• 18:17
  - There's no more movies.
• 18:18
  - There's no more movies.
• 18:19
  - There's no more movies.
• 18:20
  That's the end of the episode, guys.
• 18:22
  We'll see you next time.
• 18:23
  - We're done.
• 18:24
  - Shaz.
• 18:24
  - Kidding.
• 18:25
  (laughing)
• 18:28
  - What a twist.
• 18:29
  - Okay, so Friday the 13th, part five, a new beginning.
• 18:34
  - 1985.
• 18:35
  - So Jason's dead, right?
• 18:37
  What the heck?
• 18:39
  Friday the 13th, a new beginning,
• 18:40
  is one of the grotesiest, sleasiest Friday entries
• 18:44
  because the director came from the realm of hardcore porn,
• 18:47
  and that is Danny Steinman.
• 18:49
  So they found a way to bring Jason that quote,
• 18:52
  but in a somewhat cheap way.
• 18:56
  So it is set in 1989, the year of mine,
• 18:59
  Antaular Swift's birth, wonderful year.
• 19:01
  You're welcome.
• 19:02
  - Yes.
• 19:03
  So Tommy Jarvis is now 17 years old,
• 19:06
  and must deal with a new murder spree
• 19:08
  at the secluded youth treatment center
• 19:10
  that he's been court ordered to attend
• 19:13
  due to his lingering trauma.
• 19:16
  So this one didn't get very good reviews.
• 19:19
  Jason isn't even like the bad guy.
• 19:23
  Like it's kind of like a, I don't know,
• 19:25
  different killer who shows up in it,
• 19:27
  but he's part of the Jasonverse.
• 19:29
  I don't know.
• 19:30
  And he's supposed to kind of like jumpstart, like,
• 19:32
  oh, there could be a whole Jasonverse,
• 19:34
  just 'cause Jason's dead, that's okay.
• 19:36
  But fans didn't like it.
• 19:37
  - There was another kid in the lake who also came back.
• 19:40
  (laughing)
• 19:41
  There's just so many dead kids in this damn lake.
• 19:44
  - Yeah.
• 19:45
  (laughing)
• 19:46
  So that leads us to part six, Jason lives,
• 19:51
  because the fans were like,
• 19:52
  we don't wanna watch a Jason movie without Jason in it.
• 19:55
  - Mine did this one comes out,
• 19:56
  '19, okay, final chapter is 1984.
• 20:00
  New beginning 1985.
• 20:02
  Jason lives 1986.
• 20:04
  - Dude, they were just cranking this shit out.
• 20:06
  - Right.
• 20:07
  - Just cranking it out.
• 20:08
  They didn't even give people time to be like,
• 20:10
  was that really the final chapter?
• 20:11
  They're like, oh no, of course not.
• 20:13
  Next two years, but what almost have to immediately
• 20:16
  start your promotional scene again?
• 20:18
  - Yeah.
• 20:19
  (laughing)
• 20:19
  - For a movie like that.
• 20:21
  What is crazy is like these movies are pretty cheap to make,
• 20:26
  but we're so popular.
• 20:27
  So it's like, I guess it makes sense.
• 20:30
  I don't know how long a promotional cycle
• 20:32
  would be in the 80s too.
• 20:34
  That would be interesting to look into.
• 20:35
  I mean, we're used to these long drawn out things,
• 20:38
  where all the stars go on little tours
• 20:41
  and suck each other's dicks and cry, holding hands and stuff.
• 20:45
  - I'm missing that one.
• 20:47
  Where are those?
• 20:47
  - I'm in the colloquial way.
• 20:50
  - But maybe they do, I don't know.
• 20:52
  (laughing)
• 20:53
  In the 80s, maybe there was like,
• 20:55
  here's your FF in movie, here you go.
• 20:57
  - Danny Steinman, is that you?
• 20:59
  (laughing)
• 21:00
  I think we're like, Sindeny Arievo and Ariana Grande.
• 21:04
  - Oh yeah.
• 21:05
  - Just like all over each other's body.
• 21:07
  - This is weeping.
• 21:08
  - Yeah.
• 21:08
  - Me too.
• 21:09
  - So in Friday the 13th part,
• 21:11
  six, Jason Leaves.
• 21:12
  - Leaves?
• 21:14
  - A grown top.
• 21:15
  - Jason Leaves.
• 21:15
  - That would be a great sleep.
• 21:18
  - He's like going out on his own.
• 21:21
  - He just dips, bye.
• 21:23
  (laughing)
• 21:24
  - I don't know where you bitch.
• 21:25
  - My lasers.
• 21:27
  - Jason Leaves.
• 21:30
  Tommy inadvertently brings Jason Vorghi's corpse back to life
• 21:34
  because Hoomstemakas has an extra voice.
• 21:38
  - Hoomstemakas.
• 21:39
  - Hoomst accidentally resurrected the corpse
• 21:42
  of the Kiserio killer who's been trying to kill us for years.
• 21:45
  Whoopsie Daisy.
• 21:47
  Yes, Jason is now an actual reanimated corpse,
• 21:51
  complete with a rotting undead face
• 21:53
  underneath his hockey mask.
• 21:55
  Jason lives as a wild fun Friday for like that embraces
• 21:59
  the sillier aspects of the ongoing story
• 22:01
  while giving us Jason versus Tommy one final time.
• 22:06
  - Yeah, this is kind of where it goes off the rails
• 22:11
  and it opens up to us now.
• 22:13
  - You know, I think at this point, it went,
• 22:17
  we're not taking this too seriously.
• 22:20
  - Yeah, I think audiences, you know,
• 22:23
  these movies came out at the start of the 80s.
• 22:25
  They really wanted something different.
• 22:27
  Again, they were very formulaic.
• 22:29
  They were kind of easy to make.
• 22:30
  So there are a lot that was out there
• 22:32
  and they weren't innovating on the story a bunch.
• 22:35
  And so people were asking for different characters
• 22:39
  and this is their way of trying to do it
• 22:41
  but stay within the franchise as well.
• 22:43
  - Because fans do want Jason as Jason V proved.
• 22:47
  We want Jason.
• 22:48
  We just want him to do new and weird and silly things
• 22:51
  while killing.
• 22:51
  - Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 22:54
  And so the next movie that we have is Friday the 13th,
• 22:58
  part seven, the new blood.
• 23:01
  So this one came out in 1988.
• 23:04
  Keeps the craziness going with not just a zombie Jason
• 23:08
  but a telekinetic final girl for some reason.
• 23:12
  Maybe they were trying to be like,
• 23:13
  where is school is Freddie Krueger, you know?
• 23:16
  - Yeah, Carrie needs Jason.
• 23:19
  - Yeah, so we have a telekinesis final girl.
• 23:22
  At this point, eight years into the run, the timeline
• 23:25
  wasn't ultimately all that important.
• 23:27
  Basically this film takes place after the others.
• 23:30
  The 17 year old Tina, Laura Park Lincoln
• 23:33
  and her ability to move shit with her mind.
• 23:36
  Having had a traumatic event happen to her
• 23:39
  at Crystal Lake when she was 10.
• 23:41
  Since this movie is set in 1997, the future,
• 23:45
  her childhood bad time would have happened in 1990,
• 23:50
  not too long after the events of Jason lives.
• 23:53
  So something is up at that lake.
• 23:55
  You might want to,
• 23:57
  - You might want to,
• 23:58
  - Is it the fountain of youth in that lake?
• 24:01
  Do we need to start killing a bunch of children to get there?
• 24:03
  - I want to drain the lake and you want to,
• 24:05
  you want to turn it into the fountain of youth.
• 24:09
  - Well, I don't know, everyone's living
• 24:10
  and getting all these powers.
• 24:12
  - What's going on there?
• 24:13
  - So let's you and I jump into the lake and then we drain it
• 24:16
  because no one else can have our youth,
• 24:19
  youthful memories of Grace.
• 24:20
  - Oh, my God, get it?
• 24:22
  - I don't know, I kind of want to keep it from the whole means.
• 24:25
  I just want them to be like,
• 24:26
  "Shanna, why do you look so good?"
• 24:28
  I'm like, "I don't know."
• 24:29
  - Oh, oh, you want to be like, "I'm just this great."
• 24:34
  - Olivia and I are just really pretty
• 24:35
  and we just start killing people.
• 24:37
  - I love it.
• 24:39
  - I love that for us.
• 24:41
  You know, he's over his fountain of youth,
• 24:45
  Lake Forest area.
• 24:47
  - He leaves. - Jason leaves.
• 24:49
  - He gives us, he goes full-carry brown shot
• 24:53
  and he takes Manhattan.
• 24:54
  - Oh my God, can you imagine Jason just like walking
• 24:59
  kind of low down. - And it's a little...
• 25:00
  - Did he do it? - Did he do it?
• 25:02
  Did he do it?
• 25:04
  - We need to make this, oh, honestly.
• 25:06
  - Oh my God.
• 25:07
  - And then Freddie and Michael Myers can be like,
• 25:09
  the Samantha and the Charlotte.
• 25:12
  - I feel like Freddie would be the Samantha by it.
• 25:15
  - Oh yeah, he's a saliva.
• 25:16
  - He's a steamy favoritism coming out, yeah.
• 25:19
  - Oh yeah. - He's in everyone's minds.
• 25:21
  They're thinking about him all the time.
• 25:22
  - She's having everyone in her bodies.
• 25:24
  Well, in her body, well, he's in everyone's mind.
• 25:28
  - So he goes to New York.
• 25:31
  The change of setting had a mixed reception, actually.
• 25:34
  And though we didn't see Jason on the big screen
• 25:38
  for four years after this, which is actually
• 25:40
  the biggest break that we've really seen.
• 25:43
  They said, these promotional cycles are getting crazy.
• 25:45
  It does set up the events for the next movie,
• 25:50
  which is Jason goes to hell, yep.
• 25:53
  Since the FBI actually notices all of the murders
• 25:57
  by the end of this movie.
• 25:59
  - It takes them a long time.
• 26:01
  - They're like, we promise we're gonna kill 'em.
• 26:04
  - Do you guys notice that?
• 26:05
  - You're going to hell.
• 26:07
  - This same guy's been killing teenagers for a long time.
• 26:12
  - We should send this fucker to hell.
• 26:14
  - So they do. - There's a job for the FBI, man.
• 26:17
  - This is a job for the FBI and the devil.
• 26:20
  So Jason goes to hell the final Friday.
• 26:24
  Spoiler, it's not the final Friday.
• 26:28
  So after being absolutely obliterated by an FBI task force,
• 26:32
  Jason's evil essence in the form of demonic black blood
• 26:36
  escapes and possesses others,
• 26:38
  making this mostly a body snatcher movie.
• 26:42
  With one of the biggest supernatural left turns
• 26:44
  in the franchise, Jason goes to hell
• 26:46
  is set five years after Jason takes Manhattan.
• 26:50
  So it's set in 2003, it came out in 1993.
• 26:54
  Definitely one of the most polarizing films
• 26:57
  in the multi-decade run.
• 26:59
  It also marks Kane Hodder's third time as Jason.
• 27:03
  We'll let him do one more, we'll also allowing him to dawn
• 27:07
  the Freddie Glove at the very end of the movie
• 27:10
  as a teaser for what is to come.
• 27:13
  But not quite yet, because we have another one
• 27:16
  that comes first.
• 27:18
  We have Jason X.
• 27:21
  So Jason X comes out in 2002.
• 27:26
  This one's bonkers, you guys.
• 27:29
  This takes place in space,
• 27:31
  but also over 400 years later.
• 27:34
  The producers at this point were just like,
• 27:36
  screw it, just throwing things at the wall.
• 27:39
  He goes to space, he's been, so you got any work?
• 27:41
  You got a hell by and of the space.
• 27:43
  Yeah.
• 27:45
  We need Jason in the ocean after this or something.
• 27:48
  Where else can you go?
• 27:49
  Jason gets redeemed and goes to heaven and meets Jesus.
• 27:52
  So this takes place 400 years in the future.
• 27:57
  In this Friday's film's reality,
• 27:59
  Jason was captured and actually put on trial.
• 28:03
  So not a zombie, not now interesting.
• 28:06
  The timeline at this point is,
• 28:09
  it the time we don't know her.
• 28:12
  We don't talk about the time line.
• 28:13
  Okay, it's a multiverse.
• 28:16
  So he's put on trial, he's found guilty.
• 28:18
  He's then cryogenically frozen like Austin Pau is baby.
• 28:23
  Hundreds of years later with the earth uninhabitable,
• 28:26
  a cosmic science field trip.
• 28:28
  Lead students to a waste landward.
• 28:31
  Jason gets picked up, he gets unfrozen
• 28:33
  because everyone keeps resurrecting this guy.
• 28:36
  And yep, you guessed it, kills a bunch of people.
• 28:39
  So not only is Jason a defrosted space maniac
• 28:43
  aboard a giant spaceship in this movie,
• 28:46
  but the third act has him augmented
• 28:48
  with cybernetic parts and nanotechnology.
• 28:51
  Because why the hell not?
• 28:53
  Why the hell not?
• 28:55
  I'm not mad at it.
• 28:56
  - He lived, he lived 400 years.
• 28:58
  He learned a lot of things, you know?
• 28:59
  Including nanoparts.
• 29:01
  - Nanoparts, yes, yes.
• 29:05
  - This next one is my favorite.
• 29:06
  I'm excited for this one.
• 29:07
  - Yeah.
• 29:08
  Well, I feel like this is when, personally,
• 29:11
  I had really known of this character from scream.
• 29:15
  - Mm-hmm.
• 29:16
  - I'm in 90, I was born in 1993.
• 29:18
  So I knew about him as a character from that.
• 29:22
  I had seen it, but like I hadn't really been aware
• 29:26
  of horror movies.
• 29:28
  I guess Jason X came out, but I didn't really remember that one.
• 29:32
  - I got you.
• 29:33
  - I am a big Freddie crew fan.
• 29:34
  If you can't tell by the way,
• 29:36
  I just keep bringing him up in this film.
• 29:38
  I really, I watched Freddie versus Jason first
• 29:41
  and then went back.
• 29:42
  - Yeah.
• 29:43
  - And so they've all had a bunch of,
• 29:45
  like there's a million Freddie movies as well.
• 29:48
  But this is kind of like them bringing it
• 29:51
  into the millennial zeitgeist.
• 29:54
  - Multiverse of serial killers.
• 29:57
  - Yeah, and it's a smart idea
• 29:58
  because the people who were fans of either watched it.
• 30:02
  And you know, it was really trying to bring back
• 30:05
  this slasher culture.
• 30:07
  The nightmare on Elm Street remake
• 30:10
  is actually really, really good as well.
• 30:12
  - I like that too, yeah.
• 30:14
  - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:15
  And so this one mirrors them together.
• 30:17
  And it's this commentary on supernatural versus like
• 30:21
  root strength, like obviously Jason will not die.
• 30:25
  But it's more psychological versus like physical
• 30:29
  and like between them.
• 30:30
  And it's just the most ridiculous parts of both,
• 30:34
  like we started this episode,
• 30:35
  like who do you think you would win against?
• 30:37
  And neither of us said Jason or Freddie.
• 30:40
  So you know, it's bad versus bad.
• 30:45
  The 12th movie, which the last movie
• 30:49
  that came out actually, which feels wrong.
• 30:54
  - I know, I agree.
• 30:55
  - Freddie, the 13th, the 12th movie,
• 30:57
  it's the last movie that came out in 2009.
• 31:00
  It is ultimately like kind of like a,
• 31:04
  I would again, they're trying to bring it
• 31:06
  into the millennial culture.
• 31:07
  And portrays Jason as this murderous survivalist type.
• 31:12
  He has tunnels, traps, floodlights,
• 31:14
  and maybe also has a massive marijuana farm
• 31:18
  tucked away in a forest so that he can lure young adults
• 31:21
  into his layer.
• 31:22
  - Pretty genius.
• 31:24
  - Yeah, right?
• 31:24
  I would probably do it.
• 31:25
  - You'd be cooked.
• 31:26
  - Get it into logistics here.
• 31:29
  This isn't a remake of the first Friday the 13th movie.
• 31:33
  But it is kind of like a bringing in
• 31:35
  that same stereotypical, the stoner, the slide,
• 31:40
  like slasher formula.
• 31:43
  His mom doesn't come back,
• 31:44
  but ultimately it is a kind of a repeat of that story,
• 31:49
  but with Jason as the big bad.
• 31:51
  - Yeah, because I mean, I think a lot of people like me
• 31:54
  who maybe like millennials who didn't see the first one
• 31:57
  that came out before they were born
• 31:59
  and then rewashed it when they were older were like,
• 32:01
  "Wait, Jason isn't even in this movie."
• 32:04
  - Yeah, exactly.
• 32:05
  - So, and they rebelled like,
• 32:06
  "Yep, Jason's a bad guy, there we go."
• 32:08
  Oh man, that was a lot of movies,
• 32:11
  some better than others.
• 32:12
  - Yeah.
• 32:13
  - Yeah, like the first ones like,
• 32:16
  fly with the mom and grief and like,
• 32:19
  what they could explore.
• 32:20
  Like if you gave that movie to Jordan Peele,
• 32:23
  I think he would do a really good,
• 32:25
  deep job of that.
• 32:26
  - Just a better pacing.
• 32:27
  - A little bit.
• 32:28
  - Yeah, slasher just weren't there
• 32:31
  and we weren't looking for that.
• 32:33
  But in this kind of new age of,
• 32:35
  poor, it's super interesting.
• 32:37
  - I agree.
• 32:38
  So we are gonna take a quick break
• 32:40
  and then talk about what is next for our boy Jason.
• 32:42
  Is he gonna come back?
• 32:44
  (dramatic music)
• 32:46
  - After here is the Vintanglement's overrides.
• 32:50
  Friday the 13th is officially entering a new era.
• 32:54
  Per an exclusive IGN report,
• 32:56
  horror ink is launching the Jason universe.
• 33:01
  So there will be upcoming projects,
• 33:02
  including Crystal Lake,
• 33:04
  which is a prequel series.
• 33:06
  Yes.
• 33:07
  - Ooh, I would watch that.
• 33:08
  - Yeah, so we finally get to dive in more
• 33:10
  into Mrs. Voorhees, Pamela Voorhees is asked.
• 33:14
  And then we have Robert Barassamian.
• 33:18
  Sorry if I butchered that name.
• 33:19
  On board is executive producer.
• 33:22
  And Linda Cardellini has been cast as Pamela Voorhees.
• 33:26
  So that's kind of cool.
• 33:28
  We got a good name, it's Acht to it.
• 33:30
  - That's gonna be amazing.
• 33:31
  - I know, I'm so excited.
• 33:33
  I'm already loving Welcome to Dairy.
• 33:35
  Have you started that yet?
• 33:36
  The It prequel series?
• 33:38
  - No, I haven't actually.
• 33:40
  It's disgusting.
• 33:41
  It's so horrifying.
• 33:43
  It's more just grow test than scary so far.
• 33:46
  - Hmm, but I'm enjoying it.
• 33:48
  - Not a poor girl, but I'll give it an old shake.
• 33:52
  - Yeah, it's gross, but I am excited to try this.
• 33:55
  - I'm finally out of my book binging.
• 33:58
  I've been watching shows it.
• 34:00
  - Yes, I'm kind of out of a book bing to,
• 34:02
  and I'm trying to make my way through a book
• 34:04
  called Final Girl Support Group right now
• 34:06
  about a group of final girls.
• 34:08
  So once I've finished that, I'll let you know how it is.
• 34:10
  So at San Diego Comic Con 2025,
• 34:13
  so just a couple months ago,
• 34:14
  a Jason Universe themed panel
• 34:17
  confirmed with another sequel movie,
• 34:19
  as well as a Friday the 13th video game
• 34:22
  are both also in development.
• 34:24
  And there is a website called jasonuniverse.com
• 34:27
  that you can actually go to
• 34:29
  and kind of keep up to date with new Jason developments.
• 34:33
  So there's definitely some more on the horizon for our boy.
• 34:36
  He's not going to leave just yet.
• 34:39
  - Yeah, I think that's actually super interesting.
• 34:42
  I love to hear that they're already doing it
• 34:44
  because I do think that Pamela Voorhees
• 34:47
  is a very interesting character.
• 34:49
  And ultimately, if it is a prequel and it's that story
• 34:54
  and how it should become like evil.
• 34:57
  And then I think it also be like kind of interesting
• 34:59
  if she did all of that for Jason,
• 35:02
  but then was kind of evil to Jason.
• 35:04
  Like, ooh, that could be really, really interesting.
• 35:08
  So I'm super excited to see that.
• 35:11
  These movies are standing the test of time
• 35:14
  because they are iconic.
• 35:16
  I think audiences change quite a bit,
• 35:18
  but it's a good watch.
• 35:21
  It's not super, super scary.
• 35:23
  If you are someone who's like, oh, I don't like ghost horror,
• 35:26
  I think, you know, a good old fashioned slasher.
• 35:29
  - I agree.
• 35:30
  They're not over the top gory.
• 35:32
  I mean, maybe some of them are kind of mixed in the middle there,
• 35:35
  especially when with the poor,
• 35:36
  poor, poor director.
• 35:37
  Apparently that's kind of a gross one,
• 35:39
  but I mean, they're just kind of camp, right?
• 35:42
  They're good popcorn flicks for you watch with your friends.
• 35:44
  - Camp.
• 35:45
  - Yes, camp and a camp.
• 35:47
  They're silly, they're popcorn flicks, they're fun.
• 35:50
  And I want to go ahead and watch more of them.
• 35:53
  I also think we should do an episode in the future
• 35:55
  where we break down the Freddie movies
• 35:57
  because we apparently both like those even more.
• 35:59
  - Yeah, we should definitely do that.
• 36:01
  - Right, that's it.
• 36:01
  - Right, that's it.
• 36:02
  - Right, that's it.
• 36:03
  Right, that's it.
• 36:04
  - I love the Freddie movies.
• 36:05
  They're so good.
• 36:06
  And he's such a like a...
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  - He's so conty.
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  - Yeah, so he's literally up to that.
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  I was like, he's such a conty.
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  - Oh my God.
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  - He's got the nails.
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  He's in his little outfit.
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  He's in his little Christmas sweater.
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  - Yeah, I love it.
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  - He loves Christmas, like me.
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  He's got his Christmas tree up on him.
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  - Yes.
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